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Gaven Lok'ri Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:10:00 - [121] Yet Rodj answered Jasmine's question in a more complete manner than either of her black and white options with their undoubtedly prewritten follow up insults attached. Otherwise, why would Jasmine respond with the insistance that it be answered only the way she wants it answered? Deus Vult! PIE Website Public Channel: 'PIE Public'
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:18:00 - [122] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Yet Rodj answered Jasmine's question in a more complete manner than either of her black and white options with their undoubtedly prewritten follow up insults attached. Its a simple question Gaven. To be quite honest I'm amazed at how difficult you are finding it too answer. You are a self professed loyalist corporation who have devoted yourself for four years! to serving this empire and you can't even tell me whether you are relevant or not to that which you try to serve? Why does this question scare you so much? Is PIE relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Just answer the question Yes or No. Star Fraction is recruiting
Katyayani Koriau Amarr Auto De Fe	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:27:00 - [123] Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Yet Rodj answered Jasmine's question in a more complete manner than either of her black and white options with their undoubtedly prewritten follow up insults attached. Otherwise, why would Jasmine respond with the insistance that it be answered only the way she wants it answered? With respect to you Admiral Lok'ri no Rodj Blake has not answered the question. And I for one am wondering why a member of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris with he motto "for god and empire" is unable to rightfully claim its share of glory for past deeds and magnificant accomplishments. You are letting these anarchist scum drive you into hiding your pride and confidence under rocks. Stand up straight and tell them yes PIE is relevant to the Empire because you are!
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:36:00 - [124] Originally by: Katyayani Koriau Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Yet Rodj answered Jasmine's question in a more complete manner than either of her black and white options with their undoubtedly prewritten follow up insults attached. Otherwise, why would Jasmine respond with the insistance that it be answered only the way she wants it answered? With respect to you Admiral Lok'ri no Rodj Blake has not answered the question. And I for one am wondering why a member of Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris with he motto "for god and empire" is unable to rightfully claim its share of glory for past deeds and magnificant accomplishments. You are letting these anarchist scum drive you into hiding your pride and confidence under rocks. Stand up straight and tell them yes PIE is relevant to the Empire because you are! The point that is PIE is no longer relevant to the Empire. Past deeds aside, they have proven themselves to cowards, preferring to allow other corps to their fighting for them as the find "more important" things to do and claim that it is "for empire and God". Their wishy-washy answers are no longer acceptable. Jasmine has called them out and they have yet to answer the question. Aside from the fact that I am Sani Sabik, this is a poor display for any Amarrian corp. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:42:00 - [125] Edited by: Tharrn on 15/05/2007 22:42:50 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Is Vigilia Valeria relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No please. Why would I care if we are 'relevant' for as long as we do our duty, act when called upon and are recommended for our service to the Empire by the authorities we work for? Not everyone shares your narcissistic personality disorder of having to be 'relevant' at all cost. Edit: spehling Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.15 22:58:00 - [126] Originally by: Tharrn Why would I care if we are 'relevant' for as long as we do our duty, act when called upon and are recommended for our service to the Empire by the authorities we work for? Not everyone shares your narcissistic personality disorder of having to be 'relevant' at all cost. So you can't answer the question either? What is it with you Amarrian paramilitaries and this question - why does it scare you so much? Star Fraction is recruiting
Sapphrine Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.05.15 23:17:00 - [127] Edited by: Sapphrine on 15/05/2007 23:16:19 Originally by: Tomahawk Bliss Originally by: Sapphrine Again I suggest that you actually get in a pod and start fighting with your ship. I'm gonna assume you aren't the offical Ushra'Khan spindoctor, because that would be sad...very sad. Honestly I have to say I rarely see your ship out there. I see the likes of Siobhan, Solusar and load of notable pilots of the CVA on a day to day basis but the only place I ever recall having seen you is here on the forums. Given the amount of engagements i've FC'd over the past year you'd think i'd at least have noticed you in space if you were of importance. I feel your ability to have been involved in the killing of a single interceptor class ship isn't due to your constant and tireless role as a covert nor do i think it has anything to do with your capabilities to Command a Fleet. I think it simply has to do with being .... absent... from the field of battle on an awfully large number of occasions. Again, get out there prove you're a more competent pilot than you are orator. (edit for spag) Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.15 23:29:00 - [128] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine So you can't answer the question either? What is it with you Amarrian paramilitaries and this question - why does it scare you so much? I just have no other answer - spin it as much as you like. Or is the concept of not caring about it so befuddling to you as your whole world resolves around it? Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.15 23:54:00 - [129] Originally by: Tharrn Edited by: Tharrn on 15/05/2007 22:42:50 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Is Vigilia Valeria relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No please. Why would I care if we are 'relevant' for as long as we do our duty, act when called upon and are recommended for our service to the Empire by the authorities we work for? Not everyone shares your narcissistic personality disorder of having to be 'relevant' at all cost. Edit: spehling Ah yes, doing your duty for a dying empire dedicating itself to its dead god. Pathetic. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Reash Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:07:00 - [130] Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Gaven Lok'ri Because you have been answered many times, just not in the format you wished. I can answer, without a doubt, that PIE has done more good for the Empire than SF has done it harm. But thats not hard, as the amount of harm SF has done is exceeded by your average pirate in providence. So you think that PIE is relevant to the empire then ? YES or NO ? To speed things up as i have found this before my friends in PIE. Can you be a little more specific? I personally do not think a question like this can be answered in one word. Unless of course the whole intention is to attempt to spin the answer in favour of the Star Fraction? But that wouldn;t be your style would it?... ----------------------- Auctoritan Syndicate Director
GulletSplitter Minmatar Colonial Fleet Services	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:42:00 - [131] Nice write up again Jasmine. I've begun looking foward to the write ups if not the accusation/denial stuff that happens after it. Though I must say it's been kinda fun watching the verbal jousting in an attempt to get an answer from PIE. Nice "not quite direct answer" as well Rodj. And I mean this with no sarcasm. I do understand why you're not answering and why SF is still pushing you for an answer. I think either way you answer there won't be a right answer. To borrow a few religious terms "It's damned if you do...or damned if you don't".
CometQueen Amarr Amarr Certified News Agency	Posted - 2007.05.16 00:58:00 - [132] Originally by: Kovid For if win it was proof of faith and god loves them. For if they loose it was one of many responses: "a test of faith" "meant to be" "god has a plan for all of us" That is a very two dimensional estimation of religious conviction. Life is rarely so simplistic. Cometqueen Devotee of God and the Truth
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 03:12:00 - [133] As we can't speak for the Empires feelings about us perhaps the real question should be this.... 'Would the Empire continually ask for the assistance of a group it feels is irrelevant?' I will let everyone answer that one on their own. This is the great thing about being PIE. No pretense. We are what we are and thats what we are. We are happy to let history determine what our legacy in Eve will be. We asked not for one nor do we demand others respect it. Rodj has listed several examples of successful operations PIE has performed to aide our Empire.... An Empire which continues to request our assistance from time to time. We will let everyone draw their own conclusions. After all we're "just PIE". It's just that simple. I do know on several occasions authorized representatives of the Empire from Deacons to Priests to Imperial Chancellors have thanked PIE publically for its service to God and Empire. I know the personal communications I've shared with such representatives have made me both proud and humble and even more willing to serve as it has all who fly under the banner of the Amarr Empire. When you live to serve something greater than yourself and not your own ego you have the benefit of keeping it simple. That's enough for us. We'll be here long after you've gone from Amarr and onto your next "conquest". A testament to your failure to understand anything about us. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Octavinus Augustus Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 05:48:00 - [134] I still remember the amount of smacktalk I was presented with by Star Fraction when pushing a simple question in the beginning stages of this war: "If you expect others to respect your right to wage war on whomever you wish and in whatever fashion you desire, should you not extend the same courtesy to others?" The amount of dodging I saw on that account, the outright refusal for such a yes/no answer that Little Jasmine Constantine has come to love so much and the obvious double standards of SF rhetoric became clear to me at that time. Today, as ever, Star Fraction is chastizing the Amarr Block for believeing that U'K is a far greater threat to the Amarr Empire than Star Fraction. I guess this actually relates back to the question posted by me all those weeks ago - are we to be allowed to prioritize our enemies, or is that a job for Star Fraction: "If you expect others to respect your right to wage war on whomever you wish and in whatever fashion you desire, should you not extend the same courtesy to others?" Judging by the postings of Star Fraction pilots here on IGS, the answer to that question is a straight "NO!". Otherwise how could they take such affront to us stating their insignificance to the Amarr Loyalists? The Amarr pilots do not spend their time screaming "Take us seriously" - we prioritize our targets and if those targets choose to ignore us, they do so at their own peril. If you wish to discuss our effectiveness you may of course do so, but the recent fall of Karishal's Folly and the current alliance between U'K and numerous priate organisations suggest that we are not entirely inept at what we do. While we are on the topic, it is my personal belief that Star Fraction in fact has come to realize their own insignificance in the current wars - although they will never admit to it. They have made the choice of moving from Amarr to Mista in order to get closer to the actual fighting. Perhaps this move may eventually make us give them the attention that they crave so much - provided they do more than sit in Mista screaming "We are important". On the topic of PIE relevance my own personal belief is that compared to the Amarr Empire we are like an ant compared to an anthill. The single ant may well be expendable to the greater society and that society would probably not notice the loss greatly. Yet each ant in a society has a function and consequently some relevance. Oh, and before the smack starts on this let me state clearly that compared to the Amarr Empire we are all ants - PIE, Star Fraction, CVA and Ushra Khan. Finally, as asking questions seem to be the order of the day, let me ask these ones again - I posted them in the beginning of this thread but have yet to see an answer from Star Frction: What is it that is so incomprehensive to you? That we follow a policy of our own instead of one that is to your liking? That we deem U'K a greater threat than you? That we prioritize our year long campaigns in Providence over a 6 week war with Star Fraction? I guess the answer to all those questions does go to the point of Star Fraction being so annoyed that we have labelled them "Insignificant". Motto: Vae Victis - Woe to the vanquished.
Sami Yahn'ko Gallente The Butterfly Rebellion	Posted - 2007.05.16 06:44:00 - [135] "A testament to your failure to understand anything about us..." Awww, Mr. Archbishop, you really sound upset! I'm so deeply sorry you feel misunderstood... Oh...oh, wait a second, that reminds me... Did you overlook my words? Post number 88, the one that looks like butterfly wings... Since you're apparently not a fighter, and a great talker, care to explain to all of us just what exactly you're up to with this painting of the Fraction as some failed police force? It shouldn't be too hard for you to recall the words I'm speaking of, you did after all, base your entire argument around them. Have fun!
Sable Schroedinger Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 10:23:00 - [136] Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that sensible people can get a good indication whether or not the Star Fraction is relevant to the Empire from the (lack of) comments and actions of imperial officials. Ooooh now this is a line of logic that has been trooped out a lot since the start of our war with you û obviously only when convenient. So, lets expand it in an Amarrian style to where is isnÆt convenient. SF is irrelevant to the empire as it is incapable of damaging the empire itself, the navy does not wipe it out and no comment has been made by the Amarrian officials against them. CVA + PIE + Friends are expanding and furthering the interests of the empire in providence when, if the empire wanted it could have taken it for itself, if the empire wanted a presence there the navy would already be there in force and no amarrian official has ever announced the empire has the slightest interest in the area. So, therefore, we can conclude using your logic, as there is no interest in the area, that the empire has no need to work through means other than its own navy and, according to your logic, a lack of expressed opinion equates to evidence of a contrary or disinterested opinion. It is fair to conclude that you are not in providence expanding the influence of ôgods empireö, you are nothing more than another group of 0.0 warlords and bandit kings and if anything, you are there against the very desires of the empire! (because everyone knows that if they desired the area they would have it already). So, as rebels of the empireÆs wishes, the fact you are allowed into empire space without being destroyed means you are insignificant to the empire! Wow! Interesting living in your head innit?! -------------------------------------------- Join Now
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 10:35:00 - [137] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 10:34:06 Originally by: Sable Schroedinger Originally by: Rodj Blake I think that sensible people can get a good indication whether or not the Star Fraction is relevant to the Empire from the (lack of) comments and actions of imperial officials. Ooooh now this is a line of logic that has been trooped out a lot since the start of our war with you û obviously only when convenient. So, lets expand it in an Amarrian style to where is isnÆt convenient. SF is irrelevant to the empire as it is incapable of damaging the empire itself, the navy does not wipe it out and no comment has been made by the Amarrian officials against them. CVA + PIE + Friends are expanding and furthering the interests of the empire in providence when, if the empire wanted it could have taken it for itself, if the empire wanted a presence there the navy would already be there in force and no amarrian official has ever announced the empire has the slightest interest in the area. So, therefore, we can conclude using your logic, as there is no interest in the area, that the empire has no need to work through means other than its own navy and, according to your logic, a lack of expressed opinion equates to evidence of a contrary or disinterested opinion. It is fair to conclude that you are not in providence expanding the influence of ôgods empireö, you are nothing more than another group of 0.0 warlords and bandit kings and if anything, you are there against the very desires of the empire! (because everyone knows that if they desired the area they would have it already). So, as rebels of the empireÆs wishes, the fact you are allowed into empire space without being destroyed means you are insignificant to the empire! Wow! Interesting living in your head innit?! I suggest that you do some research into the policy that prompted the expansion in Providence and go on from there rather than use spurious starting conditions in your analysis. In the meantime, perhaps you could answer my earlier question regarding the achievements of JF/SF. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Casserina Leshrac Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:03:00 - [138] Originally by: Rodj Blake I suggest that you do some research into the policy that prompted the expansion in Providence and go on from there rather than use spurious starting conditions in your analysis. Research is not required Rodj. You and I both know that the Amarr Empire endorses a policy of manifest destiny. First comes the Amarr corps to spread the influence, followed by the Imperial Navy to actually conquer. Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminati From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:13:00 - [139] Originally by: Rodj Blake I suggest that you do some research into the policy that prompted the expansion in Providence and go on from there rather than use spurious starting conditions in your analysis. In the meantime, perhaps you could answer my earlier question regarding the achievements of JF/SF. You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Until you answer this question no substantive dialogue can be had with you since since without nailing this essential foundation to debate all else is going to be lost in your lies and spin. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:17:00 - [140] Originally by: Archbishop This is the great thing about being PIE. No pretense. We are what we are and thats what we are. We are happy to let history determine what our legacy in Eve will be. We asked not for one nor do we demand others respect it. Rodj has listed several examples of successful operations PIE has performed to aide our Empire.... An Empire which continues to request our assistance from time to time. We will let everyone draw their own conclusions. After all we're "just PIE". It's just that simple. I do know on several occasions authorized representatives of the Empire from Deacons to Priests to Imperial Chancellors have thanked PIE publically for its service to God and Empire. I know the personal communications I've shared with such representatives have made me both proud and humble and even more willing to serve as it has all who fly under the banner of the Amarr Empire. When you live to serve something greater than yourself and not your own ego you have the benefit of keeping it simple. Archbishop From which I believe its fairly clear to see that you think that PIE is Relevant to the Amarrian empire but you lack the courage and honesty to come out and say it. The reason why you can't say it of course is that IF PIE Inc. is Revelant to the Amarrian Empire then any agency, corporation, alliance that harms PIE is also Relevant to the Amarrian Empire (since by diminishing PIE Inc's ability to run missions and escorts for the Amarrian Empire that third party agency is diminishing the power of the Amarrian Empire in turn.) But you just can't admit that - it sticks in your gut. Hence the dishonesty and smarminess and squirming when you are asked this simple question. Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:18:00 - [141] Edited by: Archbishop on 16/05/2007 12:17:48 Quote: Did you overlook my words? Post number 88, the one that looks like butterfly wings... Ah yes Sami I did miss that post. I would be happy to address it here for you though if you like since you obviously completely misunderstood and misinterpreted what I said. You were questioning my statement: Quote: "...you abandoned your original mission in the cluster of freeing space from tyrannical 0.0 governments...securing free 0.0 space for pilots..." These words here from Mr. Archbishop truly are quite staggering. Mr. Archbishop, you appear to be an expert on the minutiae of their involvements in wars stretching back years and years, into almost forgotten history, certainly well before my time in the capsule. Despite that however, you do not appear to even have the most basic grasp of what it is the Fraction actually stand for or fights against. Now...I can give you the benefit of the doubt, assume you're not willfully misrepresenting the obvious facts, and thereby deduce that you're quite possibly the most unintelligent pilot in the cluster. Or conversely, I can give you the benefit of the doubt, assume you're actually intelligent enough to grasp the true nature of the Fraction's work, and thereby deduce that you're quite possibly the most inept liar in the cluster. The facts of the matter are so incredibly obvious; the Fraction has time and time again made strenuous claims that it does not and will not secure space for anyone, and yet you state this as their "original mission"? When I refer to Star Fraction "securing space for free pilots" I'm not speaking in the traditional sense of claiming space that is most often attributed to the word "secure". Instead I'm refering to the "securing" they do in attempting to free it from nationalistic influences. Thus they are "securing" the right of pilots to fly in space that isn't nationalistically controlled. Of course they have failed every time they have tried to "secure" space from non-nationalistic control in 0.0 space which is why they came to Empire in the first place. So "secure" was probably a poor choice of words but I was tired. As you can see though the "intent" of my words was readily apparent or at least is now. I hope that clears it up for you. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:20:00 - [142] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:19:51 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:18:33 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Rodj Blake I suggest that you do some research into the policy that prompted the expansion in Providence and go on from there rather than use spurious starting conditions in your analysis. In the meantime, perhaps you could answer my earlier question regarding the achievements of JF/SF. You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Until you answer this question no substantive dialogue can be had with you since since without nailing this essential foundation to debate all else is going to be lost in your lies and spin. Answer here, clarification here. Now, perhaps you would care to answer my question, and verifiably list SF/JF's achievements so that we may judge your relevance? Or would you rather I do it for you? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Saragael	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:24:00 - [143] Edited by: Saragael on 16/05/2007 12:24:14 I find it most amusing that the mighty Jasmine Constantine must now ask how relevant others are to their cause. it would appear that her own irrelevance to the galaxy has begun to take root and rather than face this she must try to belittle others to hide how small she truly is. As a citizen of the Empire I will answer your question Jasmine. PIE is VERY relevant to the Empire. They inspire those of us within the Empire to serve God and Empire. Their steadfastness in an age where alliances and corporations changes their ideals more often than a Gallante changes sex partners is something that cannot be understated. They have worked with the CVA and others to expand the influence of the Empire and continue even now to provide a place for those that seek to serve to have a home. Oh I know your petty mind is trying to twist this into how relevant they are to the government but the government is not the Empire, the people are. Jasmine your little movement is small and temporal. It will die on the vine LONG before PIE has even begun to realize it's full potential. PIE and it's heritage are one of the FEW truly relevant organizations left in the cluster, something SF will never attain. Was that answer simple enough for you Jasmine, if not then here it is; YOU ARE NOTHING..
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:25:00 - [144] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:24:11 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine From which I believe its fairly clear to see that you think that PIE is Relevant to the Amarrian empire but you lack the courage and honesty to come out and say it. The reason why you can't say it of course is that IF PIE Inc. is Revelant to the Amarrian Empire then any agency, corporation, alliance that harms PIE is also Relevant to the Amarrian Empire (since by diminishing PIE Inc's ability to run missions and escorts for the Amarrian Empire that third party agency is diminishing the power of the Amarrian Empire in turn.) But you just can't admit that - it sticks in your gut. Hence the dishonesty and smarminess and squirming when you are asked this simple question. Of course, if we take that line of reasoning to its conclusion it would also follow that for SF to themselves be relevant, they would need to impact upon PIE Inc's ability to run missions and escorts for the Empire. Something that so far they have completely failed to do. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Tharrn Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:25:00 - [145] It is understandable that Jasmine doesn't want to answer the question regarding their achievements as the list of accumulated failures over four years would just be too embarassing and hard to spin. Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:28:00 - [146] Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:26:43 Edited by: Rodj Blake on 16/05/2007 12:26:02 Originally by: Tharrn It is understandable that Jasmine doesn't want to answer the question regarding their achievements as the list of accumulated failures over four years would just be too embarassing and hard to spin. At least she wouldn't have to compose a lengthy answer. I imagine that it may even be possible to compile a complete list of SF's achievements using less than a single word. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:31:00 - [147] Originally by: Archbishop Thus they are "securing" the right of pilots to fly in space that isn't nationalistically controlled. Of course they have failed every time they have tried to "secure" space from non-nationalistic control in 0.0 space which is why they came to Empire in the first place. Once again you misrepresent and lie about our ideology. We don't "secure" anybodys rights. We encourage them to take their own destiny into their own hands and ensure their own freedoms with strength and self-reliance. Star Fraction is not the failed CFS that your friend Calladen Nimitz tried to foist on the territories of the early South West. Where CFS made promises it couldn't keep while deploying a toy "navy" to "secure" the "rights" of neutrals and attack pirates and enemies of your friend .. Star Fraction have long promoted that a persons territory ends at the hull of their ship and freedom is taken and held by those with the courage and daring to avoid slipping into traditional nationalist/imperialist traps. And you are a fine one to talk of failure. TTI/VA/CFS not exactly sterling accomplishments. And now PIE reduced in six weeks of warfare into a entity that struggles to have three pilots active at the same time and has to boast how getting murdered in Providence is your excuse you can't fight us in the Throne Worlds? Your best pilots leaving and the remainder despairing against ever turning the ride and fighting those same anarchist fighters you roundly condemn as talentless failures? You can't even run your industry correctly Archbishop and neither can your friend Calladen, instead of evolving with new technology you prefer to whine pitifully about being "undercut" on the margins and write endless letters of complaint to concord product licensing commissions in an attempt to have the rules changed in your favour to remain ahem competitive. We know all about your failures Archbishop have no doubt. Your failure as a battleship campaign is a relatively minor mark in your litany of grotesque inneptitude over the years. And now you fail even to answer a simple little question without twisting and turning and pursing your deceitful lips against the sound of your own voice. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes or No. Come on and say it! (you know you want too) Are you really that afraid of what the subsequent debate might bring that you can't just blurt it out and satisfy the curiosity of everyone reading this thread? Be a man! Have some courage! Tell the truth for once! Star Fraction is recruiting
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:32:00 - [148] Quote: You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Until you answer this question no substantive dialogue can be had with you since since without nailing this essential foundation to debate all else is going to be lost in your lies and spin. Jasmine you seem to feel that because you asked a question first it should be answered first? But wait.... it wasn't asked first.... Perhaps you should answer this question in post 37 before you ask your own. It was asked first after all. As for our relevance to the Empire you'll have to ask them about it. We simply live to serve. We are what we are and nothing more. Our history and performance in our duties is well documented. We'll let everyone draw their own conclusions. Keeps it simple that way. I do note though you've failed to list your "accomplishments". When will that list be forthcoming? If not at least Admiral Blake has offered to list them for you and I'm sure I can contribute a few "accomplishments" of the Star Fraction as well to balance it out. Either way as you would say "You don't have the right to ask any question until you answer the one asked of you" (not a direct quote but thats what you're inferring). Not my words but yours. Archbishop PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:33:00 - [149] Originally by: Saragael PIE and it's heritage are one of the FEW truly relevant organizations left in the cluster, something SF will never attain. How can PIE be relevant by its presence if its neutralisation is not also relevant? Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.05.16 12:34:00 - [150] Originally by: Archbishop You have no right to ask questions here Rodj until you answer the question you have been repeated asked. Is PIE Inc. Relevant to the Amarrian Empire? Yes / No. Exactly! So now answer the question please. Star Fraction is recruiting

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