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![Imajihad ju Imajihad ju](https://images.evetech.net/characters/805161155/portrait?size=64)
Imajihad ju
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Gladia Horusthu OK,I have a question.
Why is it everyone assumes that Dianabolic was telling the truth about his connections to CCP devs?
Because the general state of distrust is just that bad?
CCP needs to come out full on in denial of it, or they need to come out and explain why it exists. They've done neither. Perhaps it makes sense to do that because if they do come out denying it then people will cast it aside as a coverup. |
![Thalia Andrakonis Thalia Andrakonis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/111376627/portrait?size=64)
Thalia Andrakonis
Gallente Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:38:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria You're talking to a roleplayer, who has been in these kind of events before. Sometimes, a certain faction is SUPPOSED to win. Can be several reasons for this..happens in all RPG's, even singleplayer ones it's perfectly natural - So it's as before, a groundless thing you're bringing up.
Quote: Rocks fall. Everybody dies.
Sure, it happens in RPGs. That doesn't make it a good thing :P *sob* Neverwinter Nights 2 *sob*
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![Xthril Ranger Xthril Ranger](https://images.evetech.net/characters/922954756/portrait?size=64)
Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:40:00 -
[843]
Go back and read the devblog and the picture of the petition screen against the isd reporter: http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Raekhan_petition.jpg
There is no mention of the isd reporters name in the petition as far as I can tell. That gives us some options:
1: ccp admiral something somehow guessed (whitin minutes) what fleet was bumped and who the bumping character was? 2: someone messaged the admiral (with msn?) and asked him to fire the reporter, then filed the petition and the admiral intercepted petition in the queue and dealt with it. All to make it look legit. 3: the petition is a fake made later.
That petition is not enough to identify the reporter! . you'll never jump alone
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![Trelennen Trelennen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/733121271/portrait?size=64)
Trelennen
Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:42:00 -
[844]
Originally by: Imajihad ju
Originally by: Gladia Horusthu OK,I have a question.
Why is it everyone assumes that Dianabolic was telling the truth about his connections to CCP devs?
Because the general state of distrust is just that bad?
CCP needs to come out full on in denial of it, or they need to come out and explain why it exists. They've done neither. Perhaps it makes sense to do that because if they do come out denying it then people will cast it aside as a coverup.
Well, they have only two solutions to clean that imho: - either they deny it, and then they need to ban (at least temporarily) Dianabolic for pretending this all over the forums and damaging CCP's reputation in doing so
- Either they admit it, and need to do what it takes to prevent it to happen again, and come clean with apologies about that regarding the rest of the community, as well as the GM's who have been refused the right to have such contacts with the community when it was not BoB (like registering on forums associated with some players ▬ namely GM Eldini, who had sympathized with goon members at the fanfest, and had been invited on their boards to socialize and stay in touch, and had to cancel his subscription there after one week or lose his job ▬)
Originally by: kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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![Digital Solaris Digital Solaris](https://images.evetech.net/characters/224424304/portrait?size=64)
Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:43:00 -
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Let this meaningless bickering end here and now, instead let us tend to the wounded hearts and souls of those in GoonSwarm by keeping them in our thoughts and keep wishing them best of luck to whatever game they now choose to sod off to.
Oh, by the way, don't forget a huge supply of this:
Because YOU are worth it! Signature removed as it is unappropriate for a teen-rated forum. -Ivan K |
![Azerrad InExile Azerrad InExile](https://images.evetech.net/characters/179508157/portrait?size=64)
Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Xthril Ranger Go back and read the devblog and the picture of the petition screen against the isd reporter: http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Raekhan_petition.jpg
There is no mention of the isd reporters name in the petition as far as I can tell. That gives us some options:
1: ccp admiral something somehow guessed (whitin minutes) what fleet was bumped and who the bumping character was? 2: someone messaged the admiral (with msn?) and asked him to fire the reporter, then filed the petition and the admiral intercepted petition in the queue and dealt with it. All to make it look legit. 3: the petition is a fake made later.
That petition is not enough to identify the reporter!
LOL.. completely missed that fact. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
![Elmo Noguchi Elmo Noguchi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/948711736/portrait?size=64)
Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 31/05/2007 05:50:07
Originally by: Gladia Horusthu OK,I have a question.
Why is it everyone assumes that Dianabolic was telling the truth about his connections to CCP devs?
Why reason did he have to lie? He was engaged in a portion of serious discussion in the middle of a thread where people were ****ed but still trying to really talk. He went to great lengths to explain why the contact that he had was okay- it was only to old friends who had left Reikoku to go join CCP. His intention was to show that, well, yeah- of course a lot of old players have Dev contacts, and that's perfectly normal.
What it really highlights is an overarching problem where this can possibly be viewed as okay and it was so normal to Dianabolic that he thought it was advisable to post in a thread baying for CCP's and to a lesser extent, BoB's blood.
THAT'S how normal it is to BoB- it is so innocuous and innocent that it can be freely admitted to, even though in any situation but EVE it would be gross misbehavior by the Devs in question.
Also, Dianabolic can troll better than that, we've all seen it.
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![Elmo Noguchi Elmo Noguchi](https://images.evetech.net/characters/948711736/portrait?size=64)
Elmo Noguchi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.31 05:57:00 -
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Put yourself in our shoes.
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You're talking about something that happened ages ago, has already been dealt with and had dire concequences,
What consequences?
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and CCP has openly said they don't condone this sort of behavior,
Why should we believe them?
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this was ages ago, it's over..it's done with.
Why? Not every issue has been addressed. The issues at hand have been addressed in an insulting and dismissive manner.
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![Xthril Ranger Xthril Ranger](https://images.evetech.net/characters/922954756/portrait?size=64)
Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Xthril Ranger Go back and read the devblog and the picture of the petition screen against the isd reporter: http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Raekhan_petition.jpg
There is no mention of the isd reporters name in the petition as far as I can tell. That gives us some options:
1: ccp admiral something somehow guessed (whitin minutes) what fleet was bumped and who the bumping character was? 2: someone messaged the admiral (with msn?) and asked him to fire the reporter, then filed the petition and the admiral intercepted petition in the queue and dealt with it. All to make it look legit. 3: the petition is a fake made later.
That petition is not enough to identify the reporter!
LOL.. completely missed that fact.
yeah, I had to read all 250(?) pages with posts to check noone had seen this. To me it looks like Arkanon is fabricating the evidence. That fits well with the emails in the blog that is beeing edited/written and not just read. . you'll never jump alone
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![D1ck Jones D1ck Jones](https://images.evetech.net/characters/232884369/portrait?size=64)
D1ck Jones
Old Detroit Crime Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:07:00 -
[850]
Originally by: Xthril Ranger
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Xthril Ranger Go back and read the devblog and the picture of the petition screen against the isd reporter: http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Raekhan_petition.jpg
There is no mention of the isd reporters name in the petition as far as I can tell. That gives us some options:
1: ccp admiral something somehow guessed (whitin minutes) what fleet was bumped and who the bumping character was? 2: someone messaged the admiral (with msn?) and asked him to fire the reporter, then filed the petition and the admiral intercepted petition in the queue and dealt with it. All to make it look legit. 3: the petition is a fake made later.
That petition is not enough to identify the reporter!
LOL.. completely missed that fact.
yeah, I had to read all 250(?) pages with posts to check noone had seen this. To me it looks like Arkanon is fabricating the evidence. That fits well with the emails in the blog that is beeing edited/written and not just read.
zzzzzzz
Some people will believe whatever they want no matter what.
I hear there are weapons of MD in iraq yet.
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![Anaalys Fluuterby Anaalys Fluuterby](https://images.evetech.net/characters/214057291/portrait?size=64)
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Xthril Ranger Go back and read the devblog and the picture of the petition screen against the isd reporter: http://www.eve-online.com/bitmaps/img/devblog/Raekhan_petition.jpg
There is no mention of the isd reporters name in the petition as far as I can tell. That gives us some options:
1: ccp admiral something somehow guessed (whitin minutes) what fleet was bumped and who the bumping character was? 2: someone messaged the admiral (with msn?) and asked him to fire the reporter, then filed the petition and the admiral intercepted petition in the queue and dealt with it. All to make it look legit. 3: the petition is a fake made later.
That petition is not enough to identify the reporter!
No where?
Not even in the blacked out character names? Or the blacked out ship names? <-----------> Factional Warfare:
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![Trelennen Trelennen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/733121271/portrait?size=64)
Trelennen
Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:20:00 -
[852]
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Not even in the blacked out character names? Or the blacked out ship names?
Oh, you mean the guy reporting the ISD reporter would be the reporter himself (in the blacked out character names of the petition), or that he would sign by the name of the ISD reporter (the blacked out text after "best regards" in the end), or even name his ship by the name of the ISD Reporter to tell the GM reviewing his petition the name of the reporter? Wow, that's genius! But what would be the motive of doing that?
Or are you telling me that devs banned anyone who happened to have a character listed there (hence banning all the characters of the guy writing the petitions), and anyone whose character name is the same as the ship name of one of the petitioning character?
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Surely I didn't understand what you were trying to say, because that makes no sense at all (but that's the only sense I could gather from your post, try wording things better next time)
Originally by: kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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![Anti Derivative Anti Derivative](https://images.evetech.net/characters/670051495/portrait?size=64)
Anti Derivative
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:27:00 -
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Edited by: Anti Derivative on 31/05/2007 06:27:29 Edited by: Anti Derivative on 31/05/2007 06:27:10 Does the dev/bob msn thing prove that any wrongdoing is going on? of course not, but it will absolutely give the majority of the playerbase a perception of suspicious circumstance.
It's up to CCP to evaluate how much they value the perceptions of their userbase be there wrongdoing or not. It's apparent to me, just by looking at this thread that the price of these perceptions is quite high indeed.
Keiron's "if you don't like our transparency, go find another game" post is unbelievable. That is 'firing quality' stuff in most PR departments, although i don't doubt that he is more or less untouchable.
Absolutely, it is CCP's perogative if they want to take that position, but all one needs to do is read the thread to see what is being exacted in exchange for exercising this perogative.
Here, in this thread are myriad suggestions from the playerbase, tons of feedback into how they perceive CCP and how they feel about current practices. These can be reviewed and put towards a solution, or they can be shut out while CCP tells us to go find another game. Well, if lack of action on the Sharkbait petition started a third of this sh*tstorm, you can be sure that lack of action on this will be met will more faeces laden weather patterns of consummate size - goons or no goons.
CCP has made some steps in the past to increase transparency and review more closely issues of corruption, however it is quite evident from this situation that perhaps it's time to refactor these changes and go even further. At least half this thread would seem to agree.
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![Popsikle Popsikle](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1649211465/portrait?size=64)
Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:32:00 -
[854]
Originally by: Trelennen
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby Not even in the blacked out character names? Or the blacked out ship names?
Oh, you mean the guy reporting the ISD reporter would be the reporter himself (in the blacked out character names of the petition), or that he would sign by the name of the ISD reporter (the blacked out text after "best regards" in the end), or even name his ship by the name of the ISD Reporter to tell the GM reviewing his petition the name of the reporter? Wow, that's genius! But what would be the motive of doing that?
Or are you telling me that devs banned anyone who happened to have a character listed there (hence banning all the characters of the guy writing the petitions), and anyone whose character name is the same as the ship name of one of the petitioning character?
...
Surely I didn't understand what you were trying to say, because that makes no sense at all (but that's the only sense I could gather from your post, try wording things better next time)
Actually, when you file a harassment petition there is another field for you to put in the name. Go ahead and test it out...
That means when you write the petition, you dont need to put the name in the test, it shows up somewhere else (maybe in the title of the petition, as we dont see that).
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![Azerrad InExile Azerrad InExile](https://images.evetech.net/characters/179508157/portrait?size=64)
Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:34:00 -
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Originally by: D1ck Jones zzzzzzz
Some people will believe whatever they want no matter what.
I hear there are weapons of MD in iraq yet.
You have to admit that Xrthril's conclusions are mostly correct based on that evidence. Said a little more generally, since the ISD members name was not listed in the petition, the CCP admiral guy must have obtained the name through means other than that petition. Whether it was through MSN or some other method we don't have enough information to really say, but its fairly obvious that the petition screenshot shown in the dev blog was not the source. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
![ChironV ChironV](https://images.evetech.net/characters/155368491/portrait?size=64)
ChironV
Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:39:00 -
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Perhaps the Goons and their supporters should organize a "Month off". Take a month off, enjoy June weather, kick back. Give everyone time to cool down. Also it would give CCP an idea on how many people really are displeased with the outcome so far. Come back in July and decide how you want to proceed. Set some big 42 day skills and recharge the Eve batteries. ![ugh](/images/icon_bear.gif) ________________________________________________ It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion,
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![Azerrad InExile Azerrad InExile](https://images.evetech.net/characters/179508157/portrait?size=64)
Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:45:00 -
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Originally by: ChironV Perhaps the Goons and their supporters should organize a "Month off". Take a month off, enjoy June weather, kick back. Give everyone time to cool down. Also it would give CCP an idea on how many people really are displeased with the outcome so far. Come back in July and decide how you want to proceed. Set some big 42 day skills and recharge the Eve batteries. ![ugh](/images/icon_bear.gif)
If you pay in advance you can't really deactivate your account until your current time expires, so it would be hard to organize on a widespread level.
-- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
![Trelennen Trelennen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/733121271/portrait?size=64)
Trelennen
Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:46:00 -
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Edited by: Trelennen on 31/05/2007 06:47:41
Originally by: Popsikle Actually, when you file a harassment petition there is another field for you to put in the name. Go ahead and test it out...
That means when you write the petition, you dont need to put the name in the test, it shows up somewhere else (maybe in the title of the petition, as we dont see that).
We have a screenshot of what the petition looked for the GMs. Obviously, there's nowhere in that screenshot where the name of the harasser, if it is a harassment petition, could logically fit. Even if I tested filling a harassment petition (I trust you on word about filling another field for the harasser), it would do us no good about this particular screenshot, as I wouldn't see the GM interface for the petition (I not being a GM).
By the way, noticed something else: on the chatlog we have for Admiral Chamrajnagar (which happens less than a minute after the incident), he comes straight up with admonishing the ISD reporter for saying "no" when the bobit asked him to go, and say all he was hearing was "static". However, there's not a single mention of this in the petition: the petition, on top of not mentioning the name of the ISD reporter, doesn't say he has been asked (rudely by the way, calling him ****) to leave, nor that he replied "no", and then that he only heard "static". Again then, where did Admiral Chamrajnagar get that from if the proper channels have been used and it's not in the petition?
The more I think about it, the more it looks like a sloppy attempt at damage control and faking proofs to disculp them (so sloppy that even a 10 years old computer illiterate kid could have come with them), for something that was supposed to have been throughly investigated months ago :(
PS: to all who decide to cancel their subscriptions over how CCP badly faired with all this, don't forget to tell it in the form when you cancel, although I doubt they'll really look at it. Personally I filled it under the "Game Balance" reasons, as there was no such things as "Devs misconduct" or "Impropriate contacts between devs and players" or "lack of CCP's transparency and attempt to cover up any issue brought up".
Originally by: kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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![Burnt Chicken Burnt Chicken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1048327056/portrait?size=64)
Burnt Chicken
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:49:00 -
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Originally by: Popsikle That means when you write the petition, you dont need to put the name in the test, it shows up somewhere else (maybe in the title of the petition, as we dont see that).
the title is 'bumpin'
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![Burnt Chicken Burnt Chicken](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1048327056/portrait?size=64)
Burnt Chicken
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Posted - 2007.05.31 06:56:00 -
[860]
Originally by: Trelennen Edited by: Trelennen on 31/05/2007 06:47:41
Originally by: Popsikle Actually, when you file a harassment petition there is another field for you to put in the name. Go ahead and test it out...
That means when you write the petition, you dont need to put the name in the test, it shows up somewhere else (maybe in the title of the petition, as we dont see that).
We have a screenshot of what the petition looked for the GMs. Obviously, there's nowhere in that screenshot where the name of the harasser, if it is a harassment petition, could logically fit. Even if I tested filling a harassment petition (I trust you on word about filling another field for the harasser), it would do us no good about this particular screenshot, as I wouldn't see the GM interface for the petition (I not being a GM).
By the way, noticed something else: on the chatlog we have for Admiral Chamrajnagar (which happens less than a minute after the incident), he comes straight up with admonishing the ISD reporter for saying "no" when the bobit asked him to go, and say all he was hearing was "static". However, there's not a single mention of this in the petition: the petition, on top of not mentioning the name of the ISD reporter, doesn't say he has been asked (rudely by the way, calling him ****) to leave, nor that he replied "no", and then that he only heard "static". Again then, where did Admiral Chamrajnagar get that from if the proper channels have been used and it's not in the petition?
The more I think about it, the more it looks like a sloppy attempt at damage control and faking proofs to disculp them (so sloppy that even a 10 years old computer illiterate kid could have come with them), for something that was supposed to have been throughly investigated months ago :(
PS: to all who decide to cancel their subscriptions over how CCP badly faired with all this, don't forget to tell it in the form when you cancel, although I doubt they'll really look at it. Personally I filled it under the "Game Balance" reasons, as there was no such things as "Devs misconduct" or "Impropriate contacts between devs and players" or "lack of CCP's transparency and attempt to cover up any issue brought up".
I posted about this earlier and noticed nothing from the IRC conversation was in the petition but I totally missed not seeing the ISD guys name! not to mention, the SYSTEM! WOW good catch dude.
I 100% agree with you that this looks like a sloppy attempt at damage control.
I do think the sharkbait thing is 100% on the level, done poorly, but on the level.
And I don't care about RP... so... nothing on that one.
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![Trelennen Trelennen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/733121271/portrait?size=64)
Trelennen
Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:01:00 -
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A bit more fuel to the fire: I looked a bit more at the petition. As we can see, all three of the characters are docked in station, which means the petition can't possibly have been made right after the incident, and hence as definitely been made AFTER Admiral Chamrajnagar stepped onto ISD IRC Channel (and the petitioner use the past tense and didn't say it just happened). One more reason which tends to say this petition is completely bogus and made "just for the show" afterwards, maybe even during the process of this WE's "investigation".
Originally by: kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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![Azerrad InExile Azerrad InExile](https://images.evetech.net/characters/179508157/portrait?size=64)
Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Trelennen A bit more fuel to the fire: I looked a bit more at the petition. As we can see, all three of the characters are docked in station, which means the petition can't possibly have been made right after the incident, and hence as definitely been made AFTER Admiral Chamrajnagar stepped onto ISD IRC Channel (and the petitioner use the past tense and didn't say it just happened). One more reason which tends to say this petition is completely bogus and made "just for the show" afterwards, maybe even during the process of this WE's "investigation".
In fairness the "STATION" field isn't necessarily the current location. It could be the last station the character was docked at. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
![Rufo Kathcar Rufo Kathcar](https://images.evetech.net/characters/200225314/portrait?size=64)
Rufo Kathcar
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:07:00 -
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Purely as an outside observation from a freelancer, it looks to me as though the Devs got a heads-up about the "bumping" via MSN, and then immediately asked for a backing petition so there would be a paper trail. Sure enough, IA finds the petition and shows it as evidence everything was kosher. But since the MSN question isn't addressed, we don't really know.
The policy CCP should have is that no employee (paid or volunteer) is permitted to communicate with players about any gameplay issue on TQ except via official, tracked channels (petition, in-game chat etc). That is the responsible, ethical current practice among most MMO publishers. If CCP enacted and enforced such a policy, imbroglios like the current one could be avoided.
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![Trelennen Trelennen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/733121271/portrait?size=64)
Trelennen
Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:08:00 -
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Edited by: Trelennen on 31/05/2007 07:08:35
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Trelennen A bit more fuel to the fire: I looked a bit more at the petition. As we can see, all three of the characters are docked in station, which means the petition can't possibly have been made right after the incident, and hence as definitely been made AFTER Admiral Chamrajnagar stepped onto ISD IRC Channel (and the petitioner use the past tense and didn't say it just happened). One more reason which tends to say this petition is completely bogus and made "just for the show" afterwards, maybe even during the process of this WE's "investigation".
In fairness the "STATION" field isn't necessarily the current location. It could be the last station the character was docked at.
Ok, my bad. Though that's seem odd. Are you sure of that? 'cause that's not something we can know except if some dev of gm tells us so, as we don't have access to this information (and I think I remember from the tests I had done a while ago for IGB that the IGB function giving the current station was not reporting any station when in space, but I might remember wrongly).
Edit: still, even without that bit, the whole petition looks greatly suspicious, and his obviously not what triggered Admiral Chamrajnagar's very swift reaction.
Originally by: kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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![Xthril Ranger Xthril Ranger](https://images.evetech.net/characters/922954756/portrait?size=64)
Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:11:00 -
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I think the GMs got the power to dock characters so last station is logged for that purpose. . you'll never jump alone
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![Mister Spanky Mister Spanky](https://images.evetech.net/characters/670575962/portrait?size=64)
Mister Spanky
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Mister Spanky on 31/05/2007 07:11:36
Originally by: Rufo Kathcar Purely as an outside observation from a freelancer, it looks to me as though the Devs got a heads-up about the "bumping" via MSN, and then immediately asked for a backing petition so there would be a paper trail. Sure enough, IA finds the petition and shows it as evidence everything was kosher. But since the MSN question isn't addressed, we don't really know.
Yeah, that's the conclusion most of us have come to. It's also supported by the fact that the timestamp isn't provided, whereas it is in all the other screenshots.
I'm not suggesting that the petition was created during the investigation, but that it was submitted after the Dev attacked the ISD guy so as to cover people's asses.
Edit: Also agreeing that the stations thing is a none issue.
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![Azerrad InExile Azerrad InExile](https://images.evetech.net/characters/179508157/portrait?size=64)
Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Trelennen Ok, my bad. Though that's seem odd. Are you sure of that? 'cause that's not something we can know except if some dev of gm tells us so, as we don't have access to this information (and I think I remember from the tests I had done a while ago for IGB that the IGB function giving the current station was not reporting any station when in space, but I might remember wrongly).
Let me rephrase that a little better... we don't know if the "STATION" field is the current location. It is entirely possible (and fairly likely since I'm pretty sure the petition system is nothing more than a glorified web page) that that station listed in the petition and the IGB tag is the same and if the IGB station reports as empty when undocked it is would be odd for the petition station field to do otherwise.
However, just going by the information listed in the screenshot its impossible to tell if "STATION" and current location are the same. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
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Trelennen
Disturbed Hoggs
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Trelennen Ok, my bad. Though that's seem odd. Are you sure of that? 'cause that's not something we can know except if some dev of gm tells us so, as we don't have access to this information (and I think I remember from the tests I had done a while ago for IGB that the IGB function giving the current station was not reporting any station when in space, but I might remember wrongly).
Let me rephrase that a little better... we don't know if the "STATION" field is the current location. It is entirely possible (and fairly likely since I'm pretty sure the petition system is nothing more than a glorified web page) that that station listed in the petition and the IGB tag is the same and if the IGB station reports as empty when undocked it is would be odd for the petition station field to do otherwise.
However, just going by the information listed in the screenshot its impossible to tell if "STATION" and current location are the same.
OK. I should try to test it that again (as my tests with IGB functions were over a year ago, and as I didn't really need the station function, I didn't look much at it anyway at the time). Or simply have someone say which is the behaviour of the IGB function, as indeed it's most likely it's the same behaviour here.
Originally by: kieron If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:18:00 -
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Originally by: Trelennen OK. I should try to test it that again (as my tests with IGB functions were over a year ago, and as I didn't really need the station function, I didn't look much at it anyway at the time). Or simply have someone say which is the behaviour of the IGB function, as indeed it's most likely it's the same behaviour here.
According to http://bughunters.addix.net/igbtest/IGB-commands.html
EVE_STATIONAME The station name the player is docked or None -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
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Vorian Atraties
Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.05.31 07:27:00 -
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you people are all nuts. it's just a game, if you dont like how ccp is running things go find another game, comming from a customer service background i can totaly understand how kieron must feel right now. it's like being the only person at a retrun desk in the only wallmart in the world with 170 thousand people screaming at you. And to goonswarm's response by attacking the fourms.. you wonder why people dont like you. you look like a bunch of 6 year olds throwing a tantrum cause mommy told you to go to your room. Thats really big of you. anyway that's all i had to say about this, I for one am leaning more to believeing ccp over somebody who pulls stunts like this. it only serves to discredit yourselfs in the long run. anyway.
vor
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