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Dop Sutol	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:12:00 - [181] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Loyal Servant CCP - think that one over a minute. That does nothing but embolden people, and make more rise up against you. Take a hint: let it die. Calling your lawyers then TELLING your customers that your calling your lawyers on them is just going to insight them against you. Not to mention you have virtually no case. Eh? I'm ready to start a CCP Legal Aid Fund for them. I hope they do find sufficient reason to go after these people. It is getting tiresome where people are emboldened by internet anonymity and feel their actions have no repercussions or consequence. Not even counting their reputations a lot of people work for CCP. Apparently it does not concern these people that they are messing with other people's livelihoods and doing so in a callous and craven manner. If they are so convinced of CCP bad intetions and despise company so much then they are free to cancel their accounts. You have to be a lawyer, only a lawyer would suggest something, like suing your dissatisfied customers, so that the lawyer can make a profit and the client could be ruined. Yeah, CCP will win in the long run by suing customers...
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:14:00 - [182] Originally by: Dop Sutol You have to be a lawyer, only a lawyer would suggest something, like suing your dissatisfied customers, so that the lawyer can make a profit and the client could be ruined. Yeah, CCP will win in the long run by suing customers... When you intentionally and maliciously defame a company, you are no longer their customer. --23 Member-- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio!
Dop Sutol	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:17:00 - [183] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Dop Sutol You have to be a lawyer, only a lawyer would suggest something, like suing your dissatisfied customers, so that the lawyer can make a profit and the client could be ruined. Yeah, CCP will win in the long run by suing customers... When you intentionally and maliciously defame a company, you are no longer their customer. OK, Ex-Customers. By the way- Have you ever flamed WoW, EQ, SWG, etc in the past 2 years (2 years being the statute of limitation for civil cases in the US, well at least in my state in the US). This is what this can of worms is opening, please realize lawyers destroy, they never fix.
Imager GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:20:00 - [184] Originally by: Thull Arcannon What a bunch of malarky. I happen to be a lawyer, although this kind of law is not my specialty. The goons have no legal recourse, whatsoever. Any countersuit they would file would be laughed out of court. Have to love the clueless posting nonsense. There is nothing here but a smoke screen by the goons. Hope they are sweating it out. I doubt anyone on the internet would risk impersonating a lawyer so I'd like more clarification on "sweating it out" which seems to be legalese for "I post on internet forums that I'm a lawyer therefore my statements hold merit and I like to hear people fawn over what I have to say even though it's been said 100 times already" Goonfleet's lawyer has already guaranteed full exoneration of all the criminal charges levied against its constituents.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:30:00 - [185] Originally by: Imager Goonfleet's lawyer has already guaranteed full exoneration of all the criminal charges levied against its constituents. At a guess I bet the "swarm" is safe enough. It's the ringleaders (if anyone) that would need to worry a bit more. Not saying there is even a legal case that could be made against them but if anyone was going to be put up against the wall it'd be them.
By Design Brutal Incorporated	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:33:00 - [186] I believe I have a unique perspective on this situation. I used to be a member of GoonSwarm, but for reasons owing to bad leadership at the time I left the game and quit. I've also been a member of alliances friendly to Band of Brothers, Fought against them, fought with them. I have respect for both groups of players, but there are bad eggs in both lots. And it seems that the rot goes straight to the top in both GoonSwarm and Band of Brothers. I don't pretend to take sides in anything I and my corporation(made of RL friends, so never mind how not old it is, because we've been flying together since I started my first character in EVE well over 2 years ago) work on absolute neutrality after my experiences in the 0.0 wars of EVE. Nobody's right in this, not CCP, not Band of Brothers, not GoonSwarm. You're all selfish little children trying to get your own way in an argument nobody will win thanks to lies, truth bending and other factors on all three sides. Every time someone writes an "open letter" or a forum post they dig themselves deeper into the hole of childish bickering you've created for yourselves. This is the worst of it so far, why would you even consider making legal threats against a VIRTUAL group of players? They have no connection whatsoever in any real way. According to anti-hacker law precedent in most countries you would have to prosecute every person separately. And if you're willing to do that I feel truly sorry for CCP, because your management has obviously failed to see beyond their own ignominious noses. Short sightedness will not close these arguments, nor will childish threats. What would bring this stupidity to an end is the full disclosure of EVERYTHING on all sides. Of course this will never happen because everybody will keep acting like a five year old and not own up to breaking mother's favourite glass.
Imager GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:33:00 - [187] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Imager Goonfleet's lawyer has already guaranteed full exoneration of all the criminal charges levied against its constituents. At a guess I bet the "swarm" is safe enough. It's the ringleaders (if anyone) that would need to worry a bit more. Not saying there is even a legal case that could be made against them but if anyone was going to be put up against the wall it'd be them. They all happen to be lawyers too which have guaranteed each others exoneration.
Sword Coast Amarr Ministry of War	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:42:00 - [188] I happen to be a lawyer in real life. Class of '95 Yale, Mergers & Acquisitions, As far as what I can get from the forums. Nothing to worry about, these aren't the trolls we're looking for, move along.
Johana Walker Lonestar Squadron	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:54:00 - [189] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Dop Sutol You have to be a lawyer, only a lawyer would suggest something, like suing your dissatisfied customers, so that the lawyer can make a profit and the client could be ruined. Yeah, CCP will win in the long run by suing customers... When you intentionally and maliciously defame a company, you are no longer their customer. And yet Microsoft insists on selling me more products! If you're wondering if you should pack more weapons or makeup always pack the weapons. The fact that you're asking the question shows that you're going to need the weapons more.
Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.31 05:58:00 - [190] HEY GUYS THIS IS DARK SHIKARI PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
Cadela Fria Amarr The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:00:00 - [191] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 31/05/2007 05:59:32 Edited by: Cadela Fria on 31/05/2007 05:59:07 Originally by: Erik Amirault HEY GUYS THIS IS DARK SHIKARI PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Shouldn't you be studying for court pretty boy? Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
Aramova Gallente Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:02:00 - [192] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Dop Sutol You have to be a lawyer, only a lawyer would suggest something, like suing your dissatisfied customers, so that the lawyer can make a profit and the client could be ruined. Yeah, CCP will win in the long run by suing customers... When you intentionally and maliciously defame a company, you are no longer their customer. DINGDINGDING ! We have a winner! -- Please do not troll with your signature, email us ([email protected]) including a link if you have any questions - Lord Harold Get the feeling SomthingAwful is going to happen to Mattani?
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:02:00 - [193] Anyone here besides me starting to think that these are just empty threats and is simply intended to add the appearance of fake sincerity? Like, ok Arkanon made a dev-blog post, that means CCP must really be sincere about ending its shenanigans. Lets turn the forum's attention toward GoonSwarm. Like, lets end their credibility with the forum goers by threatening legal stuffs. Its pretty clear that they have no case by now, but maybe thats not really the intent, and the real goal behind the dev-blog was to rile up the masses against GS. That open letter thing was a collection of events that really did happen with GS commentary. Libel? Slander? Oh come on, gimme a break. Plus think of all the attention you bring to it by putting it all in a dev-blog. Yeah, I think i've made up my mind, that dev-blog is just a social engineering assault on GoonSwarm. And now this post will disappear in like 30 seconds but i'll have SS of it. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:02:00 - [194] Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 31/05/2007 05:59:32 Edited by: Cadela Fria on 31/05/2007 05:59:07 Originally by: Erik Amirault HEY GUYS THIS IS DARK SHIKARI PLEASE PAY ATTENTION TO ME PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE Shouldn't you be studying for court pretty boy? No, i've resigned myself to a life in prison. I've gotten an "HIV +" tattoo right on the small of my back for protection.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:09:00 - [195] Originally by: Mogrin Anyone here besides me starting to think that these are just empty threats and is simply intended to add the appearance of fake sincerity? Nope. CCP did not say they are suing anybody. They said they are asking their attornies to look in to possible legal action. Big difference and frankly why wouldn't they? They have a legal department might as well make them work . And it has been way too short a time for CCP to make a decision on whether they would actually sue or not. The legal eagles will have a lot of research to do then there would be a lot of internal discussion on what to do with the lawyer's recommendations (short of a "don't bother" recommendation). And if they did decide to actually sue then the company will clam up since chatting about on an ongoing legal case seems to be a universal no-no so we likely will not now much if anything about it even if it does happen.
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:13:00 - [196] Originally by: Imperator Jora'h Originally by: Mogrin Anyone here besides me starting to think that these are just empty threats and is simply intended to add the appearance of fake sincerity? Nope. CCP did not say they are suing anybody. They said they are asking their attornies to look in to possible legal action. Big difference and frankly why wouldn't they? They have a legal department might as well make them work . And it has been way too short a time for CCP to make a decision on whether they would actually sue or not. The legal eagles will have a lot of research to do then there would be a lot of internal discussion on what to do with the lawyer's recommendations (short of a "don't bother" recommendation). And if they did decide to actually sue then the company will clam up since chatting about on an ongoing legal case seems to be a universal no-no so we likely will not now much if anything about it even if it does happen. Yeah but putting it in a dev-blog? Thats seeking attention and makes me think they just want to play the forum's emotions. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
Silentil Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:19:00 - [197] Something I posted on my business website about this: Quote: As a long term player of EVE and many other MMOGs, I can tell you that crap like they have been through is almost always orchestrated by the underdogs in any game because of the perceived injustices that result in them sucking so much at playing the game. As they are unable to fathom how their playstyle itself is at fault, they blame everyone else for cheating, botting, hacking, exploiting, or coercing the developers to give them an edge. Personally, I find it pathetic and I don't envy any MMOG company despite the amount of revenue they can generate. With the broad variety of egos involved, (and not the most stable ones on the planet either), there are bound to be people with tin foils hats on hand that come up with this stuff. Unfortunately for them, the slander campaign they have orchestrated will most probably find the instigators in court facing charges. The outcome of that will mean hefty fines for loss of potential revenue for the company or jail time. So think twice kiddies and be warned! If you keep getting your arse handed to you on a plate in an MMOG or any game for that matter, I'd put a large sum of money up that it's a 3% chance of hacking, etc and a 97% chance that you suck and need to l2play CCP acted like any company with a global scope. Goon made baseless allegations without fact in a deliberate slander campaign due to points raise in my post above: CCP have every right to pursue a legal course if they wish. Anyone who says otherwise really has no experience in corporate law or international business. Originally by: "Mahrin Skel" If we're pets, we're not fluffy, yappy little lapdogs. We're the chewed-up junkyard rottweiler BoB uses to keep the kids out of their yard.
Souvera Corvus Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:41:00 - [198] The threat of legal action (and threat it was) contained in the official response from CCP was one of the most unfortunate things to appear. It would be immensely difficult for CCP to construct and pursue a case against any of the players involved in any legal jurisdiction that the case would likely be heard in. Quite simply, there is little in way of a case to answer. The same would go for any section of the playerbase that attempted to reciprocate with action of their own. It is posturing, which is a legal tactic in of itself, but is unlikely to lead to courtroom rather than forum drama. It is however, posturing which is very likely to contribute to further recrimination and an extension of this whole sorry saga. This could have been handled much better and rather than hiring legal professionals CCP might be better considering employing media professionals. Lets just play the game shall we?
Cergorach Amarr The Helix Foundation	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:42:00 - [199] The quote is: Quote: The allegations investigated above by this internal affairs department will also be examined by our legal resources, as we do not intend to sit idly by while our servers, community and reputation are under attack. In other words their legal department/lawyers are looking into what options they have. Sure, one of those options is a civil suit, but there are other options. Can they ban the accounts, can they ban the IPs, has anything criminally happened, etc. Do they have to have proof of individual misconduct, or can an entire corp be held responsible, can a case be made for prosecuting a criminal organization? I'm not a lawyer, and i especially don't know a lot about Icelandic law, i don't think (m)any people on this forum do (but i could be wrong). Very few people know about international law, maybe in theory, but in practice things work a bit differently than expected. Different countries, different laws, so it isn't smart to act all though when you don't know what's going on. Especially if this can affect you later in life, you will be surprised which countries have extradition treaties with other countries, you might want to go on vacation outside of your country a decade or two from now...
Silentil Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:51:00 - [200] Edited by: Silentil on 31/05/2007 06:52:38 EDIT: worst forum code ever! Originally by: "Mahrin Skel" If we're pets, we're not fluffy, yappy little lapdogs. We're the chewed-up junkyard rottweiler BoB uses to keep the kids out of their yard.
Silentil Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.05.31 06:53:00 - [201] Originally by: Souvera Corvus Lets just play the game shall we? +1, and +1 to legal complexitites to pursue this. I'm sure they've had legal council that would have said how difficult it will be for them to bring charges against parties involved outside of the countries where they have legal entities established. Hopefully the greater EVE community brushes this lil tantrum by the instigators as a pathetic effort to "win". Originally by: "Mahrin Skel" If we're pets, we're not fluffy, yappy little lapdogs. We're the chewed-up junkyard rottweiler BoB uses to keep the kids out of their yard.
cal nereus Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:00:00 - [202] Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 06:59:44 Who in their right mind sues their CUSTOMERS? o_O CCP fighting back against legal action makes sense, but CCP filing a lawsuit of their own? Why? Goon talk is just that... Goon talk! If people take it seriously, its not the fault of Goons. CCP can't blame anything on SA either, since SA isn't directly involved in anything related to CCP. What's there to sue over?!
Dop Sutol	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:08:00 - [203] Edited by: Dop Sutol on 31/05/2007 07:10:22 I'm an idiot, replied to a first page post.....
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:16:00 - [204] Grow up. CCP is not located in the US, so 'examined by our legal resources' doesn't necessarily mean lawsuits. It may be something as simple as examining the EULA to determine whether it gives them the basis for banning every single Goon who participated in the attack in the weekend... Personally, I hope they do... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Dop Sutol	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:28:00 - [205] Originally by: Kerfira Grow up. CCP is not located in the US, so 'examined by our legal resources' doesn't necessarily mean lawsuits. It may be something as simple as examining the EULA to determine whether it gives them the basis for banning every single Goon who participated in the attack in the weekend... Personally, I hope they do... Oh yeah, Europeans don't value things such as laws against slander and libel, what was I thinking? Europeans are anarchists and individualists who value personal freedom over the power of national and corporate states <- Extreme sarcasm. BTW- Didn't the BBC get sued by Blair for slandering him on that whole Iraq deal awhile back? But I think you're right anyways, CCP will not sue because it would be on EVERY MMORPG and Video game review site out there.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:28:00 - [206] Edited by: Darcuese on 31/05/2007 07:27:50 Originally by: Taerenius This is the first time I've gotten involved in any political post on the forums but I just thought I'd say a few things. A) It's hilarious how EVERYONE suddenly becomes a lawyer when something like this pops up - people who have a law background that ONLY includes what they've read on wikipedia talk like they've been a professional lawyer for 10 years. B) CCP has a great game, the fact that anyone would smear them just because things aren't going "their way" just speaks volumes about the type of person(s) they are . Thank you for this quote. Especially part A) when they dont even know what sort of issue is happening in background. But yet, it so easy to throw a rock. Forgat to say this. Having a diploma doesnt make one a smart or intelligent man me, myself and I ------>
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.05.31 07:30:00 - [207] Originally by: cal nereus Edited by: cal nereus on 31/05/2007 06:59:44 Who in their right mind sues their CUSTOMERS? o_O CCP fighting back against legal action makes sense, but CCP filing a lawsuit of their own? Why? Goon talk is just that... Goon talk! If people take it seriously, its not the fault of Goons. CCP can't blame anything on SA either, since SA isn't directly involved in anything related to CCP. What's there to sue over?! Lessee.... Libel. That's one. The denial of service attack, that'd be another. Frankly, if I own a convenience store and you block the entrance while providing false evidence to everyone who'll listen that I murdered my spouse and concealed the remains by making hotdogs out of them, I'm not going to care that you bought a pack of gum from me. I'll sue. And I'll win. What CCP does, well, that's up to them. Personally, I'd nail the bastards to the wall, but that's my vindictive side talking.
Mogrin Caldari Spartan Fleet Systems	Posted - 2007.05.31 12:52:00 - [208] Originally by: Lianna Grey Just take all their skillpoints, back to 800k ... BAM! now that's a punishment .... ---> not a lawyer expert and all that drama <--- I like my idea cause mine's better. Ban everyone thats ever been in bob or rented from them, then problem solved no more cheaters to defame. _______________ Rokh vs. Hyperion
E Vile Caldari	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:33:00 - [209] Originally by: TOTALHELLDEATH most poorst move CCP ever did you dont will get back customer trust with things like this There is no way they can ever win trust with devs in player corps. "The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering." Shohadaku New York Metal
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.31 13:37:00 - [210] Originally by: E Vile There is no way they can ever win trust with devs in player corps. There is no way they can regain 'trust' as long as people like to grow their E-peen by spamming all over the forum they don't trust CCP. You can't force someone to share something he rejects. And banning every single account that participated in this attack seems the right way to go for me.

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