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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:42:00 -
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So it looks like CCP went for the lawyers first. Not a smooth move. On the other hand once the countersuit hits this won't be about EvE anymore as much as whether or not SA can raid CCP's White Wolf Properties. In all of this didn't anyone at CCP stop and think that maybe Internet spaceships where getting to valuable, that to much RL money was passing for in game assets, that maybe once groups in the thousands get pressured they'd resort to the courts.
CCP you have my condolences for what's about to happen to you. Lawyers are like nuclear weapons, once they're deployed everybody looses. Good luck CCP, I think you're about to learn what the limits of relying on a forum selection clause are.
Dal
Dal
Things I learned playing PnP RPGs:
1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a objective.
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Price Checka
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:46:00 -
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Yeah well maybe people shouldn't make up bull**** allegations.
I hope somethingawful burns to the ground.
Lamers.
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Research Associate
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:46:00 -
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What is this about? Links?
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Damon Ra
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:48:00 -
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IBACOS
(In Before any Censorship or Silencing)
Current Tranquility status:
SELECT production_code FROM SISI WHERE testers = 'players' AND testers <> 'ccp_staff' AND testing_duration <> 'sufficient'; |
BMWM6
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:50:00 -
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Can I have Stuff ....
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Rak Rosse
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:50:00 -
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Who says they're filing a suit? That's just people jumping to conclusions as to the meaning of legal action.
I'd expect to see something more along the lines of seeing, for example, if there are grounds for ending the referral program agreement between the two parties, and perhaps influencing a third-party GTC sales group to re-evaluate its business relationships rather than filing an unspecified law suit.
I know that if I felt a party to business relationship was trying to sabotage my business that I'd try to find a way to end the relationship. That'd take speaking with my lawyers about ways and means to end the contract between us. If it were possible to do so, it'd be done without a single day in court.
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Cayloron
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:51:00 -
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You're funny. What are the goons going to sue for, they don't own anything. All of the digital assets are owned by CCP, and all real life money invested in game is in violation of the EULA.
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Wylker
Caldari
Pyrrhus Sicarii
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:52:00 -
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Shrug, I don't have a ton of legal experience, but I am fairly sure that CCP has a fairly strong case. They most likely won't seek damages but will instead have some injunctions with specific penalties for violating the injunctions.
In all honestly, its a big suprise that there is not more bench law around these types of cases. I don't even know if there really is a lawsuit, since I havn't seen anything, but if there is it could provide some very interesting precedent for future intarweb legal matters.
And don't forget, somewhere, someone is running S-A and making a bunch of money, as the people who attacked CCP's intellectual property did so using S-A as a base of operations, that person/company can be found just as liable as the people who did the actions. Should be educational to watch at any rate.
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Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:53:00 -
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Edited by: Godar Marak on 30/05/2007 17:54:57
Link or STFU!
edit : And CCP
If you hadnt had MSN hotline with Band of ***s this would never had happened.
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Fiendish Lo
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:56:00 -
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Edited by: Fiendish Lo on 30/05/2007 17:55:41
 Originally by: Godar Marak
Link or STFU!
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=472
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:58:00 -
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By the time Leonard J. Crabs is done SA will be rolling ISK.
Your signature was inappropriate, email [email protected] to find out why (don't forget to include a link to it) -Sahwoolo |
Broska
Black Sea Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:58:00 -
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Edited by: Broska on 30/05/2007 18:06:07
Originally by: Godar Marak
Edited by: Godar Marak on 30/05/2007 17:54:57
Link or STFU!
edit : And CCP
If you hadnt had MSN hotline with Band of ***s this would never had happened.
Your an idiot. The fact CCP is the first name on the case (btw I agree with you on the link or STFU part), mean's that CCP is suing SA not the other way around.
If this isn't just some stupid peice of flamebait of cource.
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Originally by: Tovarishch
flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
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Dal Thrax
Caldari
Multiverse Corporation
The Core Collective
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Cayloron
You're funny. What are the goons going to sue for, they don't own anything. All of the digital assets are owned by CCP, and all real life money invested in game is in violation of the EULA.
Since I started playing this game I've been keeping a list just for my own information. RICO (the Racketering Influenced Corrupt Organizations Act) tops the list but there are others (which tbh require a deeper understanding of sports and gambling law then I'm willing to put in without somebody paying me for it). Simply put it could be bad, really bad.
Things I learned playing PnP RPGs:
1)Always assume that the players will bring the maximum available firepower against a objective.
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TOTALHELLDEATH
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Posted - 2007.05.30 17:59:00 -
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most poorst move CCP ever did you dont will get back customer trust with things like this
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DiuxDium
Free Mercenaries Union
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:00:00 -
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This just in, Breaking news.
This thread is trollbait, CCP isn't suing anyone.
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:00:00 -
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Do Undead Witch Hunters eat your brain?
OP smells a lot like an attempt to breath new life into their Witch Hunt.
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Originally by: CCP kieron
If a member of the EVE community finds he or she cannot accept our current level of transparency, we bid you good luck in finding a company that meets your needs. |
Godar Marak
Amarr
Return Of Red Dawn
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:01:00 -
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Originally by: Broska
Your an idiot. The fact CCP is the first name on the case (btw I agree with you on the link or STFU part), mean's that CCP is suing SA not the other way around.
No I'm really clever. I even got glasses and acne to prove it.
Fact is, CCP had players on MSN list and let them use MSN to petition and thats utter ********.
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Miriyana
Gallente
Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:02:00 -
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wtf, since when is CCP getting lawyers out?
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Not Bait
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Thrax
On the other hand once the countersuit hits this won't be about EvE anymore as much as whether or not SA can raid CCP's White Wolf Properties.
Realizing that they have zero credibility with their playerbase, that may be CCP's plan. Nothing would make this come to a resolution faster than Goon lawyers with discovery powers.
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Iraf Thaiberd
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:04:00 -
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Oh, god, you people are really stupid.
1) GS has nothing to do with Something Awful (.com or LLC) aside from the fact that many of our members are also members there, and from there is where we recruit. The people who run Something Awful (.com or LLC) and the people who run GoonSwarm are entirely seperate.
2) We're still laughing about the "legal threat" by CCP. Unfortunately, our former CEO is in a position where even laughably stupid legal threats could complicate matters for him, so he's had to resign and place NATE HAMMERTOWN in charge. We'd really like to thank CCP for their interference and threats there. In fact, we will.
3) Hopefully GS will pick up what's left of our shattered corp and continue on in some meaningful way, but once the people who own the game say "Here are 10 things that don't have much to do with any of your complaints but we're going to call you liars based on them and ignore what you were actually complaining about. Also if you don't shut up we'll sue you." well, once that is said, what can you do? CCP has made it clear that they are quite happy to pick sides and to do whatever is necessary to stop bad press, even when it's entirely their own bad press. :( |
DiuxDium
Free Mercenaries Union
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: DiuxDium on 30/05/2007 18:06:53
^^ "Lol"
Originally by: Miriyana
wtf, since when is CCP getting lawyers out?
They're not. Welcome to Trolling.
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TOTALHELLDEATH
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:06:00 -
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Edited by: TOTALHELLDEATH on 30/05/2007 18:05:44
Originally by: Miriyana
wtf, since when is CCP getting lawyers out?
its poor in my view
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Through Actions
CRICE Corporation
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:11:00 -
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OK, I understand there has been a disagreement over CCP's internal investigation, but unless someone can link to some evidence that legal threats have actually been made people need to STFU. Seriously, ****.
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:11:00 -
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Why are lawyers like nukes?
-If one side gets them, the otherside has to, so the first side gets more.
-Once launched they can't be stopped
-When they land, they screw everything up for the next 50 years.
Originally by: Phoenixhawk
Patching.......... Oh wow look the servers didnt all shut down. Hi-Five another successful patch....Durrrwomp....Hey who turned out the lights, oh look there's light outside the wi |
Miriyana
Gallente
Galactic Savings and Investments
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:12:00 -
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Originally by: DiuxDium
Edited by: DiuxDium on 30/05/2007 18:06:53
^^ "Lol"
Originally by: Miriyana
wtf, since when is CCP getting lawyers out?
They're not. Welcome to Trolling.
 , **** you OP
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Jesters Knight
Eclipse Enterprises
Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:13:00 -
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Originally by: Through Actions
OK, I understand there has been a disagreement over CCP's internal investigation, but unless someone can link to some evidence that legal threats have actually been made people need to STFU. Seriously, ****.
i read it, and didnt see anything about anyone threatning legal action
Proof or STFU
Highsec POS labs with no wait
Salvage Drone Skill |
Ariel Dawn
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:15:00 -
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Originally by: Godar Marak
Originally by: Broska
Your an idiot. The fact CCP is the first name on the case (btw I agree with you on the link or STFU part), mean's that CCP is suing SA not the other way around.
No I'm really clever. I even got glasses and acne to prove it.
Fact is, CCP had players on MSN list and let them use MSN to petition and thats utter ********.
The best part is when this information is brought up against previous context. Since BoB themselves have admitted to this, why were the bugged complexes run by them for so long and were only exposed when a non-BoB character came fourth. As they're buddy-buddy with Devs, if there was no wrong doing the problem should have been resolved instantly. Alas, this is not the case.
I clearly see why many people believe the 'allegations/etc' are much more than they appear to be.
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annoing
Amarr
MisFunk Inc.
Frontline.
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Dal Thrax
Since I started playing this game I've been keeping a list just for my own information. RICO (the Racketering Influenced Corrupt Organizations Act) tops the list but there are others (which tbh require a deeper understanding of sports and gambling law then I'm willing to put in without somebody paying me for it). Simply put it could be bad, really bad.
Wow, your not the first but perhaps you claim the number 1 spot for the biggest muppet to ever to troll a forum. You claim legal knowledge but my 2yr old understands law better than you. Your so full of s*** that the bulls are staging a protest in order to get some parity. Sueing? Over what? Theres nothing to sue over. Even IF, and I mean IF, CCP are in collusion with BoB no evidence to supoort such a thing has been presented. Oh I know that letter looked good, but it means nothing really. Its just a bunch of nubs getting poncey cos BoB have organised themselves better since this game was BETA. I know, I was there. BoB were good bug-hunters for CCP and earned their respect. Ok, there was the fuss over the GM that dropped a BPO T2 after being killed by a BoB player, but that was soon rectified. Not to everyones satisfaction but there again, nothing is to everyones satifaction is it? Theres always some whine and cheese merchants out there ready to screw up any game they can. Personally, i dont like BoB, but the beuaty of the game is, i dont have to like them. I can always fight them and their allies (I seem to do that more often than not these days) but I dont whinge like a smacked baby because of them. Dal Thrax is an idiot with a lie to grind, ooops meant axe.
There ya go Vicar, extra mature cheese for that particulary fragrant whine you have there ... pickle?
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SPACE BEEZ
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:21:00 -
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I just got word from my goon friend that GS has hired Leonard "J" Crabs as their attorney. This truly is bad news for CCP, I've heard that Leonard is one of the best and most successful internet attorneys out there. This is a dark day for eve and CCP as the unavoidable impending legal battle is going to cost them a fortune.
Your signature is inappropiate for these forums - Put it back again and have your signature locked - Kreul Intentions |
Through Actions
CRICE Corporation
Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.30 18:25:00 -
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Well, yes there is. I don't agree with all the complaints about CCP but that's all people did was complain about the ethics of devs joining player corps.
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