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Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:21:00 - [31] Good initiative. Also, lol at the predictable replies from parts of the community. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:23:00 - [32] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 07/06/2007 07:22:41 Hmpf. All you wannab people wanting to fly to iceland and go play "gamedev"....don't you have better things to do? Like play EVE?! Bah i say. Hereticts. On the note of "who" should go there, there should be no favoring, raffle of sorts i'd say, total random picking from the playerbase or elected members from the corporations(heh, imagine that internal war...). I could easily bump myself to the top of the list without any masters degrees and such, but i'm not gonna, 'cause that's not what this game is about. So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Alias11 Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:24:00 - [33] Our advertising department will be sending you a bill.
Chronus26 Gallente Team Laser Explosion Molotov Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:25:00 - [34] Wow, inetesting way to go about things... -----
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:26:00 - [35] some goon has good connections! ->My Vids<-
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:28:00 - [36] Very interesting, but we need to be careful this doesn't devolve into a popularity contest or we're going to screw ourselves over. The biggest asset I can think of is an ability to understand the transactions that go on in the database, and the ability to screen the tickets GMs and devs use (if I understand the system right). Accounting's great and all, but finances aren't really of concern. So, maybe players with a customer service background, database admins, people like this?
Lord Seth Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:35:00 - [37] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Very interesting, but we need to be careful this doesn't devolve into a popularity contest or we're going to screw ourselves over. The biggest asset I can think of is an ability to understand the transactions that go on in the database, and the ability to screen the tickets GMs and devs use (if I understand the system right). Accounting's great and all, but finances aren't really of concern. So, maybe players with a customer service background, database admins, people like this? Indeed ^^ last thing CCP need is GOONIES screaming the elections were rigged or wanting a re-count. I think having 1 member from each of the largest 9 alliances to be the ones that get to go.Its fair and balanced and no shouts of election rigging will be made. 1 member from each of the 9 largest player based alliances
Gabba The Three Hundred	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:37:00 - [38] CCP should just dicipline the people that benefitted from it. They stole the cake and still got to eat it too. This isnt just a matter how people perceive EVE, its a matter of who has the advantage ingame now, and how they got it. This wrong has never been righted, and looks like it never will.
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:47:00 - [39] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 07/06/2007 06:32:17 Honestly, I have always trusted CCP. I wish I could be nominated, but I am too much of a fanboi to be trusted Same here. I think CCP learnt their lesson over the T20 incident but as stated in the interview it is the perception of reality that matters and the perception of CCP in some quaters is very bad atm.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:51:00 - [40] Very smart move. Good to see that CCP realized that trust was lost and they need extraordinary measures to get it back. ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.

Erik Amirault Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:54:00 - [41] I believe that as a 40-year-old manager for a heating and cooling company in Sweden that I have the experience for this new and exciting position.
La Tortura Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:55:00 - [42] "Democracy", "auditing by players", "elections" what a piece of crap Don't we have enough of such lip-sercice sh*t in RL? Do you realy think that picking the worst form (aka "democratic elections") of forming of control committee would cool down people? -- ignorance is bliss
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.07 07:59:00 - [43] Originally by: La Tortura "Democracy", "auditing by players", "elections" what a piece of crap Don't we have enough of such lip-sercice sh*t in RL? Do you realy think that picking the worst form (aka "democratic elections") of forming of control committee would cool down people? what if 2 of them are goonies?
Yankee Uprising	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:01:00 - [44] /me puts on spectacles of reading between lines... Color me skeptical, but this practically screams "We lost a lot of subscriptions" to me. Enough to validate some plane tickets and hotel rooms. Oh yes, and great quantities of Iceland's economy fuel - beer. Oversite firms typically take months at least to come to their results concerning medium-sized companies. Are we to beleive that nine players, chosen by popularity vote, are going to have the time, let alone ability, to draw any decent conclusions? And how would they know where to look for shenanigans? Because CCP will point at a monitor and say "right there in that code... see? Nothing wrong there! Wanna beer?" Or maybe these folks are supposed to audit all the transactions taking place. How many happen in a day? This is a political move aimed at keeping the money rolling in - make no mistake. Rather than coming clean by being honest with a ****ed off player base, CCP has taken a brilliant step by using the players themelves as part of their smokescreen.
Gealbhan Caldari The SAS The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:04:00 - [45] Wonders if anyone from Ireland will be on the thing Iceland is so close you could paddle a kayak to it, hehe. "Concentrate all your fire on one target, when it is destroyed, move on to the next. That is how you secure victory". - Tactica Imperium.
chrisreeves Gallente Asgard Protectorate	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:06:00 - [46] CCP, just remember this. "... You'll be damned if you do, and damned if you don't." Eleanor Roosevelt ----------------- Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile. "It was empty!!"
Mirri Kazaki Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:08:00 - [47] A really mature and civilized way to keep the game going. Don't choose me for the audit though i would probably steal a horse and get lost in the country side. /Mirri
MotherMoon	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:09:00 - [48] Originally by: Yankee Uprising /me puts on spectacles of reading between lines... Color me skeptical, but this practically screams "We lost a lot of subscriptions" to me. Enough to validate some plane tickets and hotel rooms. Oh yes, and great quantities of Iceland's economy fuel - beer. Oversite firms typically take months at least to come to their results concerning medium-sized companies. Are we to beleive that nine players, chosen by popularity vote, are going to have the time, let alone ability, to draw any decent conclusions? And how would they know where to look for shenanigans? Because CCP will point at a monitor and say "right there in that code... see? Nothing wrong there! Wanna beer?" Or maybe these folks are supposed to audit all the transactions taking place. How many happen in a day? This is a political move aimed at keeping the money rolling in - make no mistake. Rather than coming clean by being honest with a ****ed off player base, CCP has taken a brilliant step by using the players themelves as part of their smokescreen. how much more open do you want them to be?
Babbette	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:12:00 - [49] Why is the NY Times and apparently BoB getting this information before regular paying customers like myself? I don't think this will really work. Eve prides itself on having the most cutthroat and back-stabbing players in any MMO. Is anyone really gonna trust 8-9 people you don't personally know to do anything in eve? How do we know the committee's trips to Iceland won't give them exactly the kind of insider access many in the community worried about with the MSN thing? If the committee becomes corrupt then what are we going to do?
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:12:00 - [50] checks date Well it's not April 1st Hope you know what you're doing CCP __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus

La Tortura Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:13:00 - [51] Originally by: MotherMoon what if 2 of them are goonies? Will they be goonies, bods or macro isk farmers who caress? Controlling functions should be prerogative of those who deserved it by their deeds, who demonstrated his will and abilities to track down down "infringements" (I hate this worls tho), and who is enough independent from CCP to be able to make public all hindrances CCP could impose on his work, if any. No f*** "democratic elections" could bring such people to that "committee". It only adds up to existing corruption and accusations, as those elected will be the worst of the worst for sure. Basically, control should be carried out by people who get paid for each case of infringement found out by them. -- ignorance is bliss
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:13:00 - [52] wow will we see giant SirMolle pics over Times Squares soon? :p ------
chrisreeves Gallente Asgard Protectorate	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:14:00 - [53] Originally by: Babbette Why is the NY Times and apparently BoB getting this information before regular paying customers like myself? I don't think this will really work. Eve prides itself on having the most cutthroat and back-stabbing players in any MMO. Is anyone really gonna trust 8-9 people you don't personally know to do anything in eve? How do we know the committee's trips to Iceland won't give them exactly the kind of insider access many in the community worried about with the MSN thing? If the committee becomes corrupt then what are we going to do? See what I mean CCP Some thing's upset me also but come on now people the you are criticizing no matter which direction they take. Give it a rest already yet. ----------------- Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile. "It was empty!!"
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:20:00 - [54] The idea sounds a bit silly by NYTimes coverage is awesome regardless Looks like Operation Ruin Eve ain't going so hot __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:27:00 - [55] A very interesting idea, I would certainly consider standing for a seat on the committee. However, the problem with having an elected oversight committee is that the people on it will be drawn from the most powerful alliance as they'll be able to get the most votes. And that would be BoB. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:31:00 - [56] If we're going to do this democratically, one thing we need to keep in mind is that it will require regular, albeit infrequent, elections. This should not be a one-time "you're in forever" club, representatives will need to be held accountable for their oversight or lack thereof. If we don't realize this, we'll end up creating a new and familiar problem, the issue of credibility of an oversight group (this time Internal Affairs, next our representatives). Too much time spent with the organization you are supposed to be monitoring may increase your bias, so we need to keep them true with the possibility of them being replaced by us. With regards to the theory that each of the 9 largest alliances should be represented, I strongly disagree. As important as BoB, the Goons, RA, and everyone else up on the numbers list thinks the are, they're still only a fraction of EVE, the 0.0 territorialist alliances - a significant demographic? Yes, but a dominating one? No - I have no doubt that they will use their power bloc to get endorsed candidates elected, and that's fine, as it is one vote per account/owner and this is the concept of popular representation. But, your interests are only a part of EVE's population, and the rest of us should have a say of who goes on that council as we're paying customers. Did I just do a "No taxation without representation" thing? Lol, internet first ?
zibelthurdos Archron Dusyfe Industries	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:33:00 - [57] amazing, just plain amazing.
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Rodj Blake A very interesting idea, I would certainly consider standing for a seat on the committee. However, the problem with having an elected oversight committee is that the people on it will be drawn from the most powerful alliance as they'll be able to get the most votes. And that would be BoB. I hope everyone understands that too big of a delegation from any alliance would be very bad. If people act responsibly, we'd just have 1 representative of any single alliance. The game would be ill-served by committee with 5 BoB, and the same goes for a committee of 5 Goons. I think the idea shows that CCP has been thinking seriously about the problem they are facing and are looking for a solution. So before we discredit everything they do, let's see how this works out before bringing out the pitchforks and burning crosses, shall we. We can always save them for later ------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
Hornymatt	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:34:00 - [59] Originally by: Gealbhan Wonders if anyone from Ireland will be on the thing Iceland is so close you could paddle a kayak to it, hehe. I reckon I could make it from England by Fredelo
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:35:00 - [60] Originally by: Rodj Blake A very interesting idea, I would certainly consider standing for a seat on the committee. However, the problem with having an elected oversight committee is that the people on it will be drawn from the most powerful alliance as they'll be able to get the most votes. And that would be BoB. He raises a valid point, the concept of bribery and coercion. The old adage about "Vote for me or we'll shoot your family" gains new meaning here, especially against vulnerable highsec dwellers that aren't keen on conflict. Alternatively, I can see promises of ISK, free territory rent, you name it being handed out in exchange for votes - this could be a significant hurdle to any elections.



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