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Sha Dar
eXceed Inc.
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:57:00 -
[151]
 Originally by: Perl Regex
I actually work for one of the "Big 4" accounting firms.
Yeah, it was one of them I witnessed in action 3 years running.
Basically, I think in this case it comes down to the people in question, whoever they end up being, not being "shown" as such what's what, but having the know how, (or gumption in my native tongue) to actually ask and probe in areas to find out what they think is needed to be known.
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Maya Rkell
Third Grade Ergonomics
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:58:00 -
[152]
I don't know - there are some veery well known carebear personalities. Like Chribba.
Also, I'd expect multiple voting rounds - with a minimum qualifying block of votes on the first round to get onto the second round. That avoids the issue, to a large extent.
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XenoPagan
Khanid Provincial Vanguard
Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:00:00 -
[153]
CCP comes forward with a suggestion to improve things and what do these tards goons do? whine of course. why won't you quit already? i even don't want your stuff
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RossP Zoyka
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:02:00 -
[154]
Wow, that's a really cool article. Its in the NY Times itself? Or just online? I hope its in the paper because that's like insane EVE publicity.
What's funny is that I use these articles as my recruitment tools all the damn time. Hopefully my brother will finally join after reading some of this.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:05:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Maya Rkell
I don't know - there are some veery well known carebear personalities. Like Chribba.
Also, I'd expect multiple voting rounds - with a minimum qualifying block of votes on the first round to get onto the second round. That avoids the issue, to a large extent.
Yah, that sounds sensible. We'll have to see how CCP handle it.
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Arshes Nei
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:10:00 -
[156]
Yes i totally see the 9 bob seats, after all the majority of eve players are in bob. They must have around 150k members last i checked, no really. 
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SamuraiJack
Caldari
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:14:00 -
[157]
/me wonders if i could poke Cyvok into looking at this...
SJ.
CLS CEO, Valainloce Executor and Standings Director
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:15:00 -
[158]
As i am the most sceptic person of all eve i would like to vulenteer for this job..
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:21:00 -
[159]
Originally by: SamuraiJack
/me wonders if i could poke Cyvok into looking at this...
Pink Panty bribes ftw :P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:22:00 -
[160]
Electing players to be on the overseeance committee could be a huge problem. Alt-Anonymity leads to a lot of the problems we have in the game currently.
I don't see how I could, in good faith, vote for any candidate, as I have no means of knowing if they are an alliance stooge.
I have no ideas on how CCP could address this problem.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:23:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Garia666
As i am the most sceptic person of all eve i would like to vulenteer for this job..
I'm far too sceptical to be a reasonable candidate for this job.
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Test84984949
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:28:00 -
[162]
Edited by: Test84984949 on 07/06/2007 13:28:28
Nice CCP but it really doesn't change anything. The group will be made up of Bob or half of the Eve-O forum big mouths. IMO
and to Bob ... CCP doesn't need your help guys... you're the main reason CCP's image is tarnished. If you're innocent or not you should stop runing your mouths in local about having Devs on MSN, and when the whole Eve against Bob war started you guys ran around with [DEVS] in your ship names. Plus lets not get started on your Ego driven griefing posts on Eve-O that somehow never get *snipped*.
Its funny how you guys always run to the rescue for CCP. CCP are big boys they can fend for themselves.
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DarkMatter
Amarr
Mineral Aquisition Group
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:29:00 -
[163]
Originally by: Gaven Blands
Electing players to be on the overseeance committee could be a huge problem. Alt-Anonymity leads to a lot of the problems we have in the game currently.
I don't see how I could, in good faith, vote for any candidate, as I have no means of knowing if they are an alliance stooge.
I have no ideas on how CCP could address this problem.
Those elected have to have their real names divulged, as well as all their characters they play with...
If they are honest, they should be able to provide that information. If they choose not to provide it, they want to hide something...
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Selene Le'Cotiere
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:38:00 -
[164]
I think this is excellent news to help repair bridges that people feel have been burned. Rather progressive.
I'd like to nominate Virtuozzo as a candidate.
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:57:00 -
[165]
Personally I think its a silly idea, but its not my company.
Plus after helping run a hardcore PvP oriented mud for a number of years and having to 'bust' a lot of cheaters in the process I can't how this would really stop any single employee from cheating if they wanted to. Those sorts of actions can only be detected by those who know the system, know the people, know the commands, and have an almost innate feel for how a game works. Basically you need to know how to cheat the system to bust people cheating the system.
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:03:00 -
[166]
I am rather confused as to why this was not announced to the community simultaneously, but at least it was fun to stumble upon this in a normal manner instead of through eve-o.
I am a bit worried that this will have a placebo effect. CCP will almost undoubtedly not give the player panel full acess to the information they need and, even if they do, there is no guarantee that the players themselves will not be biased. It is, of course, eminently possible that any real control over these matters afforded to people whose only connection to the game is through their play will actually exacerbate the situation.
As stated, however, its the placebo effect that we need to worry about first and foremost. Given that there are no details on this yet we are forced to speculate, but I would be shocked if they were given the access they need and if CCP maintained a sufficient level of separation between the auditing group and the company such that this does not turn into another channel for CCP to fraternize and corrupt/be corrupted by in game groups.
I am interested to see how this will turn out and how transparent CCP will actually be with the group and how transparent they will be in proving to the community that they were indeed transparent. All in all, good step but the devil is in the details and failing to announce this in a more detailed manner to the community (unless I missed it) really limits the impact in the short term.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:04:00 -
[167]
As an occasional critic but true FAN of EVE I applaud this.
Actually I find it remarkably well conceived, well publicized and rather brilliant!
My compliments to CCP for this solution and for getting it in the New York Times no less!
I look forward to an open and honest election and to the formation of an effective audit committee.
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Mitchman
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:07:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Ska La
Of course, since Goonswarm has done more to expose corruption, collusion and cheating than any other player group in the EVE universe.
Actually, Goonswarm has done more to expose their own stupidity than any other player group in eve. You should all be banned wholesale with your cheap tactics to on slashdot, wikipedia.org and other places.
New video: All Aboard The Pain Train
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Virtuozzo
IVC Consortium
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:08:00 -
[169]
Originally by: Baun
I am rather confused as to why this was not announced to the community simultaneously, but at least it was fun to stumble upon this in a normal manner instead of through eve-o.
It showded up in a paper, while CCP are getting better with marketing they may have underestimated the dealings with such entities :P Or maybe the reporter combined a number of seperate interviews. I'm sure CCP will let us know. Soon. :P
Virtuozzo
Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:08:00 -
[170]
Originally by: Herculite
Basically you need to know how to cheat the system to bust people cheating the system.
 You are surely not suggesting the overseer committee comprise T20 and 8 BoB?
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Ashraaf
Infinite Improbability Inc
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:08:00 -
[171]
Something totally unexpected
I really like this idea. And i'm waiting for more information about this project.
- I'm sure it will be time consuming (Preparation of the audit, Trip to Iceland, Redaction...)
How much trip does we have to made for the job
It's a difficult task. That's need tools, access to information, and people must have at least some competence for the job
I'm very interested being a part of this team, but with my job i'm not sure i have to time to do it properly. I hope it's not a popularity vote about being a forum *****, but really motivation, and competence.
Maybe a vote with the anonymous candidature could be a solution
I'm sure CCP will formalize the project before asking the community to be part of it
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Gee Lok
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:09:00 -
[172]
Edited by: Gee Lok on 07/06/2007 14:18:45
I agree with what a lot of people have said about this becoming a popularity contest.
I really hope the mechanisms are put in place so that people who are responsible, trustworty and capable are elected.
Edit: I read this again and it seems really negative. I mean this in a truly positive sense.
It would be great for the game if CCP does this well.
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ChironV
Caldari
VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:12:00 -
[173]
Holy Shatonashingle, Batman!!
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l3lind Man
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:13:00 -
[174]
cool
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Baun
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:27:00 -
[175]
Originally by: Virtuozzo
Originally by: Baun
I am rather confused as to why this was not announced to the community simultaneously, but at least it was fun to stumble upon this in a normal manner instead of through eve-o.
It showded up in a paper, while CCP are getting better with marketing they may have underestimated the dealings with such entities :P Or maybe the reporter combined a number of seperate interviews. I'm sure CCP will let us know. Soon. :P
Right, CCP did not even do a press release as far as I can tell. Instead, NYT announced a program for them and we, as of yet, have essentially no information about it. Furthermore, while NYT might be as close to an international paper as you get, many people from other countries do not read it. The vast majority of EVE subscribers are more poorly informed on this than some random schmo who read his paper this morning.
The Enemy's Gate is Down
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Erotic Irony
RONA Deepspace
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:29:00 -
[176]
Originally by: News
This won't be an election. This will be a popularity contest. A silly one at that.
This.
Why in the world is this step being taken? The problem of Eve is the lack of professional standards that let up to the credibility crisis. Is it not enough that players are recruited to be GMs and members of ISD, to voluntarily bug report the misbegotten client and write every single bit of documentation thus far on top dozens of utilities? Now you want them to do an arbitrary peer-review and audit?
Please.
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Quincy TawHarr
Minmatar
Empire of Destiny
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:33:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Herculite
Personally I think its a silly idea, but its not my company.
Plus after helping run a hardcore PvP oriented mud for a number of years and having to 'bust' a lot of cheaters in the process I can't how this would really stop any single employee from cheating if they wanted to. Those sorts of actions can only be detected by those who know the system, know the people, know the commands, and have an almost innate feel for how a game works. Basically you need to know how to cheat the system to bust people cheating the system.
The point isn't to bust cheaters, which you are correct in saying a few people once every little while can't do.
The point is to drop in every now and then and verify the fact that CCP isn't painted in any corps "colours" so to speak. There is no reason why this shouldn't be possible, so long as our "representatives" take the task seriously.
An obvious issue that has no doubt been raised is the potential for alliances to stack the team with their people.
This will give a few people a large amount of influence and care must be taken to ensure that the "task force" doesn't become another platform in the war of accusations.
Fate, Chance and Destiny; they're all just ways of claiming your successes and dismissing your failures. |
Kazuo Ishiguro
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:39:00 -
[178]
I wonder what format these elections are going to take?
We clearly need anonymous voting, to counter the considerable threats of in-game coercion and bribery. There are probably going to be dozens of candidates, so Single Transferable Vote would be more effective than FPTP in reflecting the views of the electorate. Many people play alone in empire with relatively few ties to the community, and would have little reason to feel strongly about any particular candidate.
It would not be easy for CCP to prove that the elections were free and fair if they conducted them themselves. I would suggest using a third-party secure online voting service; CCP could evemail each elector a set of login details to use.
The next question: who gets to vote? One vote per IP is not a viable method, since many people play via shared connections. One vote per account is probably the best workable system, but favours the wealthy (either IRL or ingame), who can afford to create multiple accounts.
As in most elections, I think players should be required to hold accounts of a certain minimum age in order to be eligible to vote. Trial accounts should definitely be excluded. I would go further and suggest that an account should be at least six months old before it gets to vote. This would prevent people from using a single GTC to buy an extra vote.
There is a whole host of other issues involved with this process that probably deserve a thread in their own right.
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C601
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:41:00 -
[179]
"Our goal in Eve is to control all of 0.0 space, and when thatÆs done weÆre going to take over the empire one by one and control the empire as well,ö
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Sevarus James
Minmatar
Meridian Dynamics
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:42:00 -
[180]
Two thumbs up for the NYT article and CCP's stance. It will be VERY interesting to see this one play out.
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