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Lord Seth Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:37:00 - [61] Originally by: Babbette Why is the NY Times and apparently BoB getting this information before regular paying customers like myself? I don't think this will really work. Eve prides itself on having the most cutthroat and back-stabbing players in any MMO. Is anyone really gonna trust 8-9 people you don't personally know to do anything in eve? How do we know the committee's trips to Iceland won't give them exactly the kind of insider access many in the community worried about with the MSN thing? If the committee becomes corrupt then what are we going to do? AND HOW DO YOU KNOW...A giant space ship will not fly over iceland and burn it to the ground? HOW DO YOU KNOW....that a meteor will not fall on your head today and casue you to drink from a straw for the rest of your life? HOW DO YOU KNOW....if your dog will or will not get attacked by a swarm of bees and die? HOW DO YOU KNOW.... if your dinner you had last night was not laced with some drug under testing by your government?........ Fill in your answer here:_______________ ....and you never will so does that mean you will not go outside? eat? or poo your mutt? or stop beliving in space ships that want to burn Iceland?
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:38:00 - [62] 1 from each of the top 5 alliances (in terms of members or sovereignty or whatever), and the remaining positions electable, but not allowing anyone from the top 5 alliances. Best of both worlds imo. __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Xtreem Gallente Viking Research and Production space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:39:00 - [63] this is an excellent move. and i for one welcome it. plus i will be very envious of the people that get to go!
lordopic	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:41:00 - [64] I found it a very interesting read and is this the next step in MMO evolution? I have always wanted to visit Iceland.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:44:00 - [65] Originally by: lordopic I found it a very interesting read and is this the next step in MMO evolution? I have always wanted to visit Iceland. It is fitting that a revolutionary game tries revolutionary things.
Papa Ina GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:47:00 - [66] I'd rather you hired a proffesional outside body to do this but whatever. Atleast it sounds like you hired some proffesional PR.
ry ry StateCorp	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:52:00 - [67] i whole heartedly endorse this idea, although i have almost-zero interest in going to iceland because it's boring and the women are ugly... ...OR ARE THEY? CCP, there's only one way to prove me wrong!
Zak Nefein Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:55:00 - [68] SoE tried this years ago, failed miserably... Wish you luck though.
Kalahari Wayrest	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:56:00 - [69] I'd love to go to Iceland Pick me, pick me! \o/ __________________________ Indulge Me Consider Yourself Indulged - Immy ♥ Wow immy scored - Xorus
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar Sicarri Covenant	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:56:00 - [70] Ok, we need Tiller, Ginger, and Kublai, some BoBs and there... Eve will be great again :) Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking (despite him stopping it ... ~Liz Kali

Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.06.07 08:57:00 - [71] Well, I would definitely vote for Chribba to take a seat in this council. He have a outstanding reputation both from forums, from the game, plus his work with eve sites like eve-files.com. Also, he is a very old veteran an knows the game pretty well. Heck, maybe even make him a team leader! I dont think you can get any more neutral player then him. Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Na'Thuul Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:03:00 - [72] Chribba fer prez! \o/ I can't believe people that have been whining about transparency STILL aren't satisfied... What more do you want? ---
Daedalus DuGalle Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:04:00 - [73] Oh wtf?? Quote: (SirMolle would not reveal his real name but said that he is a 40-year-old manager for a heating and cooling company in Sweden.) I always envisioned him as the dictator of a small African country or something. Man thats disappointing. Originally by: Janu Hull Nothing says gritty cynicism like a 1 ISK note wedged between a pair of silicone enhanced knockers.
Hatuk The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:04:00 - [74] Originally by: illusha Damn that liberal bias! I thought it was a well written article and very funny in some areas. Quote: So now, in a sociological twist, the company that makes Eve, CCP, based in Iceland (population 300,000), says it will tackle the problem the way a democracy would. In what appears to be a first, the company plans to hold elections so that players can select members of an oversight committee. Quote: The company will then fly those players to Iceland regularly so they can audit CCPÆs operations and report back to their player-constituents. And taking cues from transitions to democracy in the developing world, CCP says it will call in election monitors from universities in Europe and the United States. Are you serious? I haven't heard CCP anounce this yet and this is really stupid. What kind of a professional and legit company lets non-employees audit them and look at the details of their operation? None that I can think of. Yes, they may hire an outside firm to do it, but they are professionals, not regular people that play a spacecraft game and take it too seriously. Why would you pay a lot of money to fly non-employees to do something you obviously don't want them to do? This won't save your credibility. Are you going to pay the people of these committee for their working hours lost? How would they explain this to their boss, "sorry boss but I need to go to Iceland for a couple of weeks to tell some idiots how to run a game" "Are you serious? you're FIRED" Your lack of intelligence once again surprises me CCP, good job again! illusha, you are really not to bright star in the sky (dont want to use some other word cos of it will be sniped) but that is another story... this idea is great, cudos to CCP. i have been criticizing CCP in all my previous posts since the 1st incidents involving evil bobitses but this might work.... ofcourse, if some criteria will be met - i predict we will have all bob pets\slaves vote for bob leaders and then we all at the start again. :-\ - few persons should not be allowed in the froup of 9 at any cost. i wont tell names here but we all know whos names are involved in any and all incidents. also, those guys should not be allowed to apply with alts or something. - dont send high school kids or people who have not started to walk the RL path (work). they wont have the experience needed to "look" at the right places. they will also easy fall at the propaganda of others, lets say 40 years old managers.... - someone with atleast avarage computer knowledge would be nice, so he can ask the right questions to sharkbait and the NW admins. blabla ... this is all i can think of for now lol just 2 ISK from sunny croatia
Ifni Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:04:00 - [75] Originally by: Lord Seth AND HOW DO YOU KNOW...A giant space ship will not fly over iceland and burn it to the ground? HOW DO YOU KNOW....that a meteor will not fall on your head today and casue you to drink from a straw for the rest of your life? HOW DO YOU KNOW....if your dog will or will not get attacked by a swarm of bees and die? HOW DO YOU KNOW.... if your dinner you had last night was not laced with some drug under testing by your government?........ Fill in your answer here:_______________ ....and you never will so does that mean you will not go outside? eat? or poo your mutt? or stop beliving in space ships that want to burn Iceland? Are you, infact, on crаck? Given that CCP wants to do this, and given teh prevalence of alts, and multiple accounts (cough Kayosoni cough) any voting procedure is going to be involved. As someone else has said, there may very well be coercion and bribes being offered, and I'm curious to see how this works itself out. I have to give props for a novel and groundbreaking approach to game design, even if it's a touch risky. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Kecheor REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:05:00 - [76] Just need to wait till Bill Gates do the same with MSN
Zothike Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:08:00 - [77] interesting idea but it's too late the damage is done, some CCP employee helped in various way to make BoB the super power it is now and they are here for long and trust and interest of the game will be back only when they will dissappear
Sheriff Jones Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:08:00 - [78] Edited by: Sheriff Jones on 07/06/2007 09:08:13 Originally by: Lord Seth AND HOW DO YOU KNOW...A giant space ship will not fly over iceland and burn it to the ground? HOW DO YOU KNOW....that a meteor will not fall on your head today and casue you to drink from a straw for the rest of your life? HOW DO YOU KNOW....if your dog will or will not get attacked by a swarm of bees and die? HOW DO YOU KNOW.... if your dinner you had last night was not laced with some drug under testing by your government?........ Fill in your answer here: For God....am....I! So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have.
Lord Seth Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:11:00 - [79] Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Lord Seth AND HOW DO YOU KNOW...A giant space ship will not fly over iceland and burn it to the ground? HOW DO YOU KNOW....that a meteor will not fall on your head today and casue you to drink from a straw for the rest of your life? HOW DO YOU KNOW....if your dog will or will not get attacked by a swarm of bees and die? HOW DO YOU KNOW.... if your dinner you had last night was not laced with some drug under testing by your government?........ Fill in your answer here:_______________ ....and you never will so does that mean you will not go outside? eat? or poo your mutt? or stop beliving in space ships that want to burn Iceland? Are you, infact, on crаck? Given that CCP wants to do this, and given teh prevalence of alts, and multiple accounts (cough Kayosoni cough) any voting procedure is going to be involved. As someone else has said, there may very well be coercion and bribes being offered, and I'm curious to see how this works itself out. I have to give props for a novel and groundbreaking approach to game design, even if it's a touch risky. UMMM Ifni, I was not attacking what CCP are doing. I was defending it. why did you quote me again? Just to say Im on ***** or did you misunderstand my statement?
MortyM Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:13:00 - [80] This thread already shows why it won't work. People believe CCP is corrupt because they want to believe it, not because any factual evidence or whatever. No amount of transperancy, openness or evidence is ever going to convince them otherwise.

Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:18:00 - [81] Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 07/06/2007 09:17:36 Logically, it's going to be a beauty contest to see who gets elected, which means on forum alt account strength alone BoB already has it wrapped up. However, if you're really looking for transparency and full disclosure, you should end the conspiracy talk once and for all and bring in the loudest, most dire critics to be your auditors and shut them up for good. Mittani, Kugutsumen, Remedial, etc...Bring them to Iceland and show them that it's not all a bunch of tinfoil and spin, and the "War to Expose CCP" dies right there. Go the easier, and far more likely route, and watch the howling continue when your "freely elected" review board consists of DBP, Dark Shikari, Blacklight, Seleene, et al...
Jaggeh Furious Angels Requiem-Aeternam	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:22:00 - [82] i think this is a fantastic idea. The only problem i see is getting time off work :) Travel To Eve fest from ireland
Tek'a Rain Gallente Isis Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:25:00 - [83] 3rd-ed or 4th-ed ~ Chribba for president.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:26:00 - [84] Originally by: MortyM This thread already shows why it won't work. People believe CCP is corrupt because they want to believe it, not because any factual evidence or whatever. No amount of transperancy, openness or evidence is ever going to convince them otherwise. I know and I agree. But at least CCP are trying to battle the rumourspreaders. And, if we get some good people in on it, which everyone can trust - Like Chribba - this might at least have some positive effect. I will always love and trust CCP as long they dont start on the same road like SOE. Like, not listening to players. Doing the opposite of what the true player-base wants (and whats the right thing to do) Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
Virtuozzo IVC Consortium INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:26:00 - [85] Originally by: MortyM This thread already shows why it won't work. People believe CCP is corrupt because they want to believe it, not because any factual evidence or whatever. No amount of transperancy, openness or evidence is ever going to convince them otherwise. EVE is a game, and an enterprise. Like anything, it revolves around trust, rebuilding perceived lost trust, or reinforcing the foundation for easier granting of trust, is vital. I'm pleased to see more sensible and structural mechanisms being put in place for dealing with the concepts of relations, trust and perception alike. There is always human nature's tendency to be judgemental sure, and extremism is always with us, but this approach by CCP showes that the intention to amend and monitor is there. It is a serious better approach then more infamous marketing examples like "don't like it there's 5000 other systems you can choose from" :P Morty, also please keep in mind that this is not about the players of old times. This is something which especially is directed to new and newer subscribers, and it shows many people with doubts that EVE as an entity is still very much cared for, and will be, for quite a while. Some people may think this is a silly idea, some may think the elections are already rigged :P Thing is, this isn't about extremism. This is basically about fundamental concepts of EVE. I think it's a good thing, if properly done as EVE is divided by factions of interests, not by factions of perspective. As for people getting bribed and all that, jeez. EVE is a game which has a pretty damn long business plan. Anything you do in EVE stays with you, just like in real life, no matter how often people change face :P The human race may be weird, but only rarely do humans selfdestruct over pixels. Virtuozzo Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!" snip Inappropriate. -Elmo Pug
Zylatis Lacedaemon. Sparta Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:29:00 - [86] Well its definitely a step in the right direction, and Helmar hit it on the head when he said that its the players perception that matters (to a degree). However there are problems with this idea, some described above (most tho are just naysayers) Regardless of that im impressed and pleased that CCP is at least making an effort, how the application of this effort plays out remains to be seen. But i have high hopes nonetheless Good job CCP thumbs up
Bienurdau Hywoaf Minmatar Matari Holo News Network	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:31:00 - [87] Interesting. I'd be interested in hearing more. I'm curious how they will avoid any allegation during the selection process? What sort of prerequisites will the representatives have? How many representatives will there be? Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:33:00 - [88] Intresting.............. ccp could quite literally become ground breaking in mmo's for another reason. Anyway whens the nominations/voting will that also be open and transparent. Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Liberius Deep Gallente Black-Sun	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:34:00 - [89] Halleluja, CCP gets it right. Perception matters. As to the details, it can be worked out. Interesting to see how this scandal can even be used to advertise EVE to the public.
Halleck Gurney	Posted - 2007.06.07 09:38:00 - [90] This sounds more like a PR stunt than a real effort to solve the problem. First, you should ask yourself how much CCP will open up their comapany to these 'elected' members for them to do their intended job properly. Most likely they will only get to see that what CCP wants them to see. For the sake of argument, I will assume that CCP opens up their comapany completely to these 'elected' members. That brings us to the problem of the qualification of these 'elected' members. It will probably be that the largest loud-mouths get elected with absolutely no clue on how to audit a company properly. If you want to restore credibility properly, you see that a reputable auditing company does the audits and publicize those findings.



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