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Richard Aiel
Caldari MicroFunks
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Posted - 2007.07.21 15:57:00 -
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This happens because, unlike the loan contract thing, suicide ganking isnt taking advantage of the system to get around the rules
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Dionisius
Gallente LEGI0N SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.07.21 17:12:00 -
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Theres already a game mechanic... obscure to most people, laying dormant in their subconscious minds... called war dec.
And there is something called Concord, oblivious to all except the criminal and victims.. an entity that should enforce the law of the land.
In sum concord should insta/perma jam, web, tracking disrupt and pop every suicide ganker...plus that persons drones should be poped instantly also.
Wardecs exist to be used and thats what makes high sec "semi-safer". _______________________
Originally by: Splagada Edited by: Splagada on 21/06/2007 13:51:39 in eve you can break their windows, take over the house, and throw the children in the fire. |
Shadowrunner99
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Posted - 2007.07.21 17:12:00 -
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It is very funny to me the people that compare Concord to the police, while not comparing the difference in severity of the punishment.
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Yagyu Retsudo
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Posted - 2007.07.21 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Yagyu Retsudo on 21/07/2007 17:25:52 To be brutally honest the problem is CCP allows trial accounts without a credit card. This means that one person can grab 100's of web emails and create as many trial accounts as they have computers to run. A KVM switch just makes it easy.
Sure, you cant train everything on a trial account, but a gang of T1 frigates can pop an indy pretty fast.
Besides, its pretty obvious that trials are used for innumerable other shady exploits. Perhaps CCP should implement a credit card check to create a trial account, like 99% of the other MMO's.
Of course, that would break this easily abusable game mechanic, and force people to use alts instead of disposable trials.
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midge Mo'yb
R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.21 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: RFwills Edited by: RFwills on 08/06/2007 05:48:14 (Note, this is not just me griping, but rather a persistent attempt at bettering eve for everyone)
Ok so Ive been playing eve for about a year now. And havent had any real complaints about ccp and their rulings. Until now.
A friend in my corp(about a 2 year player) was in HIsec to move some of his supplies around. He was in jita with a cargohold and got suicide ganked by t2 ogres by only a couple people. He lost 2 bil and has now quit eve. I am flabberghasted(if thats how u spell that word), enraged, and dissapointed by ccp's judgement in this case. Its ludacris. The whole point of Hi sec is safety. You should be able to make a couple jumps without having to worry about dieing/loosing your stuff. I know through these forums more and more people are getting tired of this exploit, which is what I will call it because by the majority of eve players, thats what it is. Heres another thread I saw a smiliar incident occur on: LINK
Lets take this view of whether its an exploit or not away for a moment. Either way it is something eve players do not like being manipulated on them and customers are being lost. If customers are quitting eve then that means a real problem is at hand. This is not something ccp can just rule out as "thats how the game works". It is unfair to honest hi sec traders/haulers. Main reason is... It cannot be avoided! When a pooly armored indy is attacked by a suicide ganker gang with t2 heavy drones. There is nothing that can be done. The only way to stop it is to have a buddy reppin u on the whole duration of ur trip. If you had to seriously f'n get repped just to move about hisec safely then that is ridiculous in every sense of the word. And if something isnt done soon thats exactly how it will be. PLaying eve will be made alot less enjoyable by this factor and loose alot of fanbase.
Next thing: Concord is meant to protect the innocent right? Just like in real life? Well then concord isnt doing its job. Lemme give you an example of how it would be in real life if police forces acted like concord.
Good ol' JOhn Doe is walking down the street to go to the local store. Suddenly he is jumped by a gang, beaten, and stolen from. The cops come and arrest the offenders. But they let them keep the wallet filled with cash and let the man sit there, ignoring his obviously fatal injuries. Whats more, the officers replace the gangmembers tattered clothes and pay medical expenses for the injuries they may have occured while engaged in combat with the dude.
The main thing wrong with that scenario is that the criminals end up better off then the friggin victim. This would encourage crime in real life as it does in Eve. The gankers in eve are reimbursed for ships, and get to get all the loot afterwards. The victim is helpless and devestated by the major loss. This is unacceptable and should be addressed ASAP by ccp.
Thats all I have to say, please comment and sign if you agree that this is an exploit and should be stopped by ccp.
(Note to any devs/gm's reading this, my corpmates characters are malinda firestorm, salinda firestorm, and pyrite fardreamer, one of these has a petition on file, which as a first step should be attended to accordingly)
Sincerely, RFwills
Hi wills!!!
i still pwn you!
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Moridin920
Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.21 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gibbal Slogspit
The 'Criminals' in EvE, seem to get a lot more forgiveness than the people that are trading, that are running missions that are mining.
Maybe that aspect of the game isnt balanced.
Maybe it just seems that way to you because you aren't a 'criminal' yourself. It's pretty hard being a pirate when you can't go into high sec to grab a new ship and fittings, or even travel through high sec with your nice battleship to go support a fleet and you have to go 50 jumps through low sec instead (vs. 10-15 through high sec).
Someone said that suicide gankers should get an auto -5. Aside from the fact that that'd be hard to gauge, since the only way I can think of to program that is if you attack someone in high sec you get -5 (and thus screwing over newbies, or people who accidentally click a remote rep or web or whatever... It happens), that seems like a ridiculously hard punishment. After all, they are just preying on people who are too dumb to protect their assets. Really, it's not that hard, you don't even need a friend to do it. Put your stuff in cans, don't transport everything you ******* own in one ship, put a tank on there, and don't AFK transport if you have that much of value in your hold.
People hate people who log off to escape; people AFK transporting and then complaining about getting killed are just as bad in my eyes. You can't take the time to sit at your PC, you'll get killed. Transport when you have the time to pay a little attention. It's not hard; I've done homework while transporting through high sec and I can still take the time to look up and click warp to XXX gate so I don't run the risk of getting popped.
Also, does anyone notice how pirates and pvpers whine a lot less? I could start listing off things I'd like changed to benefit me and everything I don't like, but I prefer to just work around it and most of the time it's not a crippling thing. My drones MWD sometimes? Oh well. I'd rather take the loot and jet, leave behind 5 million in T2 drones than sit there and wait for the guy's friends to come and kill my battleship. I just have to think about it for a little bit, instead of sitting there, getting killed, then going on the forums to whine about it.
RL comparisons are stupid, but as long as the carebears like them here's one: Banks transport lots of money in bullet-proof, often times gas-proof, armored vans with run flat tires. What you people are doing is transporting money in my neighbor's SUV. It looks nice, sure, but it's going to get jacked up pretty quickly by a robber.
And if you're wondering, no I don't suicide gank. I can't go into high sec =D. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way." |
Tortun Nahme
Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.21 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Moridin920
Also, does anyone notice how pirates and pvpers whine a lot less?
I mean, I know this thread is a joke, but thats got to be the funniest thing I have read all day Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.07.21 22:08:00 -
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the op is not saying that you should be safe in high sec. He;s saying the attacker and the victim should both get messed up. where does anyone say no attacking in high sec? Getting rid of insurance payout would not end this. People would still do high sec suicide runs. but that's just it.. they are called SUICIDE runs. Suicide seems to assume that your going to die and lose something. how is it a suicide run if you don't really get that big of a loss?
no offense but all of people that say it's ok to get your money back when you high sec suicide run, you all sound like carebears that don't want to to commit suicide.
like poser emo kids.
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Jacques Archambault
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.07.22 09:44:00 -
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Thread cleaned. Please keep your replies polite and constructive.
Thanks!
-Jacques
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000Hunter000
Gallente Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.07.22 09:46:00 -
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It's hi sec, not full sec.
Live with it, if u can afford 2 bill in assets u can afford to skill up for a T2 hauler and some secure cans.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!! Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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kimish
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Posted - 2007.07.22 21:04:00 -
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Originally by: Azerrad InExile Edited by: Azerrad InExile on 08/06/2007 05:47:54
Originally by: RFwills Main reason is... It cannot be avoided!
Sure it can...
not if the attackers know what they are doing..
and yes it is an exploit since it was not the idea with the design from the start, but ccp can't take action or will not since it is hard to say when people to it as a normal every day thing with alt trail... that is the main problem it have NO kind of negative feat for the attacker...
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Moridin920
Gallente Dust Echoes FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 07:49:00 -
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Edited by: Moridin920 on 23/07/2007 07:48:39
Originally by: kimish
and yes it is an exploit since it was not the idea with the design from the start, but ccp can't take action or will not since it is hard to say when people to it as a normal every day thing with alt trail..
Using jetcans to mass mine wasn't really in the design from the start but now you've got basically the whole economy depending on miners being able to output that much ore... Just because it wasn't a design doesn't mean it's an exploit. An exploit is more using broken code to take advantage of others knowingly. There aren't really any code errors that allow suicide ganking, it's possible through existing code that is error free (at least in that respect, I can't claim to know if the code is perfect or not).
Oh, and thanks Tortun Nahme, I appreciate that =D ---------------------------------------------------------------------- "We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience our piracy may have caused you, but, we are pirates and, sadly, this is our way." |
Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.07.23 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: 000Hunter000 It's hi sec, not full sec.
Thing is, at least back when I started roughly 2 years ago, there was zero indication in the tutorial or anywhere else in game that you are in danger from other players in highsec. If I didn't forum *****, I would not be aware of the danger to this day probably. Now personally I do believe that forum whoring should be mandatory for successful gameplay in any game, but again that is not mentioned anywhere in EVE either. And since there are so many non-forum-goers, there are a lot of people that DO believe it is full sec.
There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones |
FaNaTiCx
Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.07.23 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: RFwills
Next thing: Concord is meant to protect the innocent right? Just like in real life? Well then concord isnt doing its job. Lemme give you an example of how it would be in real life if police forces acted like concord.
Originally by: Gaven Blands
The next time the police show up in less than 20 seconds when you're getting murdered, let me know, so that I can pay you a million dollars which I am prepared to wager that this will never happen.
Haha! Unless the Concord ship has John McClane piloting it! --- Insert cool signature here. |
Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Minmatar Grumpy Old Farts Gruntfuttocks
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Posted - 2007.07.23 08:33:00 -
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@OP
High security is not safe, its "safer" and it means just that, it means that I wont shoot you cause i dont like losing "my" ship and need to travel high sec and dont like grinding sec status up that mutch.
It however also means that someone who has no issue grinding sec status and losing his ship, WILL kill you anywhere anytime. This has been since the conception of eve.
Heck in the beginning Concord di not even exsist, and later one could easily tank them for hours on end. This has changed and it is an exploit not losing your ship if you attack a nonwar target in high sec. But if you coordinate and sacrifice, a team of individuals can and will take your ships down.
Seccondly: EVE > RL. Ok? This is a game, it has set rules and boundaries within its social sandbox. These rules excists to make the game an interesting harsh environment. If you do not like what EVE is, dont play it. Its that simple.
Third: lighten up, its a game, people quit all the time, if you aregoing to drop all your crap into a freighter or hauler and it gets popped you lost. You did not prepare, You are to blaim for your loss. You assumed you are invincible.
All of these are mistakes You made, either learn from them and become the better player for it or leave.
Adapt or Die, as they say.
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cal nereus
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.07.23 09:27:00 -
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Edited by: cal nereus on 23/07/2007 09:27:25 Hi-sec is relatively safer, especially if you are in a corp that has no wars or an NPC corp. But it ain't perfect.
Concord is not a neighborhood watch program, big brother, or even the police (who basically work for the public). It is a private firm initially founded by the empires to prevent war, and has since then developed into a sovereign entity (although its goals are largely the same as they were at the start).
The main draw of Eve is the opposite of security (fun for some people). The main draw of Eve is freedom (fun for the other people). The freedom to affect other players whether they want it or not, to have a positive impact or a negative impact on a portion of the Eve community, to help some while hurting others. That is the main draw of Eve. That freedom that can only be achieved in the absence of perfect security. We have varying degrees of security that create consequences for actions, but that do not necessarily prevent them.
And although I am reluctant to do so, I shall also play the realism card. It is totally unrealistic to have perfect police preventing anything resembling crime, or a police that is 100% fair. It doesn't exist. :-/
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Completely UnAmused
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:06:00 -
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not an exploit. if you amassed a few billion isk then you damn well knew about suicide ganks. Just because your friend did something stupid doesn't mean the gankers used an exploit. If you missed the part about how concord reacts, the fact that theres a slight delay before they respond and pop the attacking party ,then its your friend's fault.
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Dreema Electriqk
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:26:00 -
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did he say "ludacris"?
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Dreema Electriqk
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:30:00 -
[169]
i agree with grath
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Scott Ryder
Omen Incorporated Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.07.23 11:45:00 -
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Well its right, concord isnt meant to protect you, but they are meant to punish. If me and a friend wants to gank someone and we loose, we win. Easy as that. we get the loot and gets our gankageddon insurance paid back. so concord isnt really punishing anyone. If you go between jita and Hek i think you will find more gatecamps there then if you take 12 0.0 jumps.
So either remove concord. They are only creating lag anyways.. They for sure as **** dont do any good. Or you could remove insurance payouts when concord ganks you. Only way to balance it.
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ry ry
StateCorp The State
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Posted - 2007.09.06 09:28:00 -
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OP. just a though,
a regular megathron fitted with a full set of cargo expander IIs, 3 cargo optimisation rig IIs and 4 LES IIs can carry about 6400m3 cargo and has 20k shields.
i've named it the afkhaulathron.
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Audio Bully
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Posted - 2007.09.06 09:51:00 -
[172]
Its not an exploit |
TJ Sebastian
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.09.06 09:53:00 -
[173]
... and necromancy is bad !!
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.09.06 09:53:00 -
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there is more or less simple solution for high sec ganking. Mark wreck as belonging to Concord and/or *disallow* looting this wreck nobody except corpmates. But I am not sure that this is good. --------------------------------- Hint 1: Train for Mega, not for Rokh Hint 2: Abaddon is uber fleet BS. R.I.P. <Torpedo Raven> R.I.P. <ECM> R.I.P. <Drake> R.I.P. Nosferatu R.I.P. <Curse> and < |
Arii Smith
Caldari StarHunt Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.09.06 09:53:00 -
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1. Shooting someone is an exploit? Since when? Just because they ain't ready for it does not mean a thing.
2. Anyone else lolling that on the same page there is a thread complaining that hauling is toooo ez and haulers need a nerf?
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Laboratus
Gallente BGG League of Abnormal Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.09.06 09:56:00 -
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1st rule of eve.
Do not undock anything you are not willing to lose.
2nd.
Undocking == consenting to pvp
etc.
Concord is there to provide consequence, not protect. ___ P.S. Post with your main. Mind control and tin hats |
Grez
Minmatar Sybrite Inc.
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Posted - 2007.09.06 10:41:00 -
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Always make several trips. Use a blockade runner. They have less cargo space, but they're a ***** to catch, even with people scouting.
DON'T AFK BILLIONS OF ISK THROUGH EMPIRE ---
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Demarcus
Revolting Cocks
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Posted - 2007.09.06 10:53:00 -
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Originally by: Laboratus 1st rule of eve.
Do not undock anything you are not willing to lose.
2nd.
Undocking == consenting to pvp
etc.
Concord is there to provide consequence, not protect.
This about sums it up. ------------------------------------- You are all worthless, and weak.
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2007.09.06 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: RFwills You should be able to make a couple jumps without having to worry about dieing/loosing your stuff.
No.
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HaulandHaul
Gallente Caldari Deep Space Ventures Caldari Deep Space Industral
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Posted - 2007.09.06 11:09:00 -
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If u walk over the streets in a huge city, and someone trys to stabs u, do u think the police would be there within 15 seconds to wtfbbq whoever wants to stab u BEFORE they stab u?
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