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hedfunk
Caldari
High Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:49:00 -
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How many times? Removing insurance wouldn't stop it. I've seen people moving billions upon billions, I would quite happily lose a 100mill ship if I had a chance of gaining 200+. However i lose only 2mill per ship I lose. 5 without insurance.
Ratting isn't that easy. You lose 0.5% (I think) For aggresion and 2% for the ship kill. The most you can get in 0.0 is 0.25%, every 15minutes. You do the math.
And evading CONCORD is an exploit, and bannable i think.
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Admiral Black
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.09.06 21:58:00 -
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The only way for a hauler to be suicide ganked in highsec is for him to be AFK.
CCP NEVER ment this game to be played afk.
Had you not wondered why the autopilot does not warp to 0?
If you are not _playing_ then tough luck on getting blown up.
Now if you will excuse me I need to go drink until this DRAMA headache goes away (I'm sverly alergic to whining drama queens)
After that I think i'll make another few billion suicide ganking haulers :-)
Don't want me to suicide gank you? Do not travel afk.
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farfrael
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:04:00 -
[213]
while unpleasant, suicide-ganks in empire are not an exploit
there is NO "perfectly" safe place in eve, it has been designed this way
live with it or leave the game
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Cpt Fina
Insult to Injury
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:12:00 -
[214]
 Originally by: hedfunk
How many times? Removing insurance wouldn't stop it. I've seen people moving billions upon billions, I would quite happily lose a 100mill ship if I had a chance of gaining 200+. However i lose only 2mill per ship I lose. 5 without insurance.
Ratting isn't that easy. You lose 0.5% (I think) For aggresion and 2% for the ship kill. The most you can get in 0.0 is 0.25%, every 15minutes. You do the math.
And evading CONCORD is an exploit, and bannable i think.
Not many are asking for a complete stop to high-sec ganking. The removal of insurance would however make it viable to fill (as in use all cargo) freighters with average priced stuff without being a profitable target for suicide gankers.
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Aaron
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Black
CCP NEVER ment this game to be played afk.
so what about the afk cloakers then?
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:24:00 -
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Losing 2b of stuff? Was that in a regular hauler instead of a freighter? Sounds like it to me or you've met some very efficient suicide gankers
Flying untanked haulers on autopilot is asking to get suicide ganked. Warp to zero, wcs, inertia stabs, and nanofibres are your friend.
There are methods to avoid being suicide ganked so it's not an exploit or griefing. If people decide to leave all those slots on the hauler empty or afk with expensive loot then you get what you ask for.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.06 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Vishnej
I personally like the current balance of CONCORD - they're not super-powerful, and it's possible to escape in the right ship. I think the Sentry Guns are significantly underpowered compared to how they used to be, and need a doubling off DPS. The problem is that the ships being paper-thin against sentries and concord was the easy numerical hack that fixed suicide ganking and aided gate ganking previously.
Evading Concorde is an exploit. The dps from gate guns is a lot, even in 0.5 there are (I believe) 6 gate guns which dish out roughly 1050dps. The dps doubling won't make much difference to suicide ganks as there are numerous ships.
Concorde now jam drones so that the drones engage Concorde instead of the target.
Most suicide ganks will be complete before concordes arrival so your suggested ideas would be ineffective.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Ilvan
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:25:00 -
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I'm pretty much a carebear but if I knew someone was hauling 2+ billion in a 'poorly tanked indy' I'd frigging suicide gank him myself. 
Your friend deserved to lose his stuff, because he was stupid. And stupidity in EVE is a terminal illness.
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:29:00 -
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Quote:
The only way for a hauler to be suicide ganked in highsec is for him to be AFK.
CCP NEVER ment this game to be played afk.
Bang on the money this is.
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Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:32:00 -
[220]
Quote:
"The whole point of Hi sec is safety"
That right there is where the OP went wrong. 'HiSec' does not implicitly imply safety, people!!
I know this is an epicly necrod post, but I just had to put my .02 ISK in.
-=^=-
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Vodka Neat
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:36:00 -
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don't fly what you can't afford to lose... unless your a hauler in high sec then the world is your oyster. That just doesn't sound like Eve to me.
Why are you still reading? Its over. Continue to the next post.
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.06 23:40:00 -
[222]
Originally by: Vodka Neat
don't fly what you can't afford to lose... unless your an untanked hauler loaded with expensive loot in high sec then the world is your oyster.
Fixed it for you.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Marrisa Tomei
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:08:00 -
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Heres something, If almost every single hi sec system had gates with awaiting suicide gangs, would you play eve? Theres only one real answer to that question.
I will cause i'm one of those gankers :p
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Major Death
Caldari
Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:09:00 -
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When a pooly armored indy is attacked by a suicide ganker gang with t2 heavy drones.
Well there is your problem right there! Hauling billions in an untanked industrial is equivalent to transporting millions in cash in a regular van with extra money bags tied to the sides.
This type of attack only works because some people are greedy or lazy. Tank your hauler if its carrying valuables you don't want to lose.
The only minor adjustment CCP need to make is slower sec gain, and a slightly higher sec loss for this kind of activity.
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Marrisa Tomei
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:12:00 -
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Or make gankers get -5 sec if the y do it in high sec, so they have to go ratting to get in again. I know pvp'ers hate ratting sometimes
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Devian 666
Sectoid Technologies
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:45:00 -
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Originally by: Marrisa Tomei
Or make gankers get -5 sec if the y do it in high sec, so they have to go ratting to get in again. I know pvp'ers hate ratting sometimes
I have a fix for this mining should be illegal in high sec and should give a gcc flag and involve Concorde.
Don't complain about my idea it's more sensible that what you're suggesting.
I agree I don't have the features to be a holoreel star.
Most people have missed the point that this is Mobsters Online and that carebears are at the bottom of the foodchain. |
Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:55:00 -
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It has been said time and time again by CCP and by many players:
- EVE is not shiny happy fairy playground.
- High sec is not safe, but merely safer
- Never undock in something you can't afford to lose.
- Can I have your/his stuff?
Sorry for your loss, but EVE is what it is. You need to learn to live with it and adapt, not try and warp the game to your desires. It won't work and will only cause you grief. If you want carebear land, go play a different game.
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Xaen
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.09.07 00:56:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Admiral Black
CCP NEVER ment this game to be played afk.
so what about the afk cloakers then?
Grow some cajones, some brains, or find some friends.
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judes23
Kissaki Confederation
Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2007.09.07 01:08:00 -
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/signed
i so agree with your topic man, is not even funny
the ganker's insurance should be revoked =D
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Bohoba
Caldari
Dragons United
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.09.07 01:09:00 -
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A higher sec hit is needed, sentry guns need a buff, also as long as the victim has kill rights on the pirate the pirate can not recycle the char, not being able to recycle a char I think will slow things down a bit there is far to much of this going on and needs to be addresed while I have never been a victim of this I have voted with my accounts this and the lag and decink issues after 4 years of ccp promess this and that and still worse now than ever, all 3 accounts are going down. been a fun and very intersting game, but time to show your vote.
and know you can't have my stuff. will leave it to my corp well those that stay anyway
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Steel Tigeress
Gallente
Steel-Wolfs
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Posted - 2007.09.07 02:39:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Admiral Black
The only way for a hauler to be suicide ganked in highsec is for him to be AFK.
CCP NEVER ment this game to be played afk.
Had you not wondered why the autopilot does not warp to 0?
If you are not _playing_ then tough luck on getting blown up.
Now if you will excuse me I need to go drink until this DRAMA headache goes away (I'm sverly alergic to whining drama queens)
After that I think i'll make another few billion suicide ganking haulers :-)
Don't want me to suicide gank you? Do not travel afk.
Not quite true... with warp to 0, most ganks occure on the far side of a gate. Meaning you warp to 0, somone at the gate scans you, then if its profitable his buddies on the other side jump you after you go through the gate.
The only real thing warp to 0 changed is what direction people are moving relative to the gate.
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CCCP lalalalalla
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Posted - 2007.09.07 03:07:00 -
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ccp should just add warp to 0 for autopilot. If you can warp to 0 manually, why does ccp make us do extra work. Its like they want this game to be a timesink, ccp there are more important things in life. If possible cut down the time on stupid things such as this timesink.
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Sturack
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Posted - 2007.09.07 05:10:00 -
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Here is an idea for revenge on the Gankers
 Hang out near a camp in a cheap destroyer, when Concord pops one of them for ganking, POD'EM!!!!!
Maybe after they loose 100mil in implants  they may see the error of their ways or at least have the smirk wiped off their face when they appear in a clone vat 2 regions away
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Zixxa
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Posted - 2007.09.07 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Xaen
It has been said time and time again by CCP and by many players:
- EVE is not shiny happy fairy playground.
- High sec is not safe, but merely safer
- Never undock in something you can't afford to lose.
- Can I have your/his stuff?
Sorry for your loss, but EVE is what it is. You need to learn to live with it and adapt, not try and warp the game to your desires. It won't work and will only cause you grief. If you want carebear land, go play a different game.
Problem is not danger, but easy money for every ****** in the game.
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Needo
Minmatar
Swedish Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.07 07:43:00 -
[235]
The broken part of this imho is that a gank-blob can shut down access comepletely for a valuable transport into 1.0 space and there is no counter. What to do, suicide-gank one of the gankers? Where's the risk for the potential 2bil reward when the ganker knows the gain from scanning and knows the cost from concord? Its just calculated profit and no risk.
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Possessed Clown
Amarr
Spiced Wine Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.09.07 08:25:00 -
[236]
Maybe if you do missions for concord they will protect you more 
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Helen Sobell
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Posted - 2007.09.07 09:03:00 -
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Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: DirtySnipe
I agree with the point made that any ship/asset lose which is the result of concord intervention shoulld not be covered by insurance... Insurance should be void...
I also agree scanning should be hostile...
please come back when you have a decent solution, not a carebear one.
NERF WHINERS
arent you actually whining about whiners? you whiner, turn that gun on yourself.
i am not whining here by the way i am just been smug
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Xerxes Ceasar
InfoMorph Services Ltd
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Posted - 2007.09.07 11:35:00 -
[238]
Originally by: Ladyah Liandri
Originally by: RFwills
I know through these forums more and more people are getting tired of this exploit, which is what I will call it because by the majority of eve players, thats what it is.
First it's not an exploit. And second a couple of forum whiners don't represent the majority of EVE.
I suppose you have some secret Poll-figures to back up your statement about whether the majority likes griefers in Sec space or not? 
Xerxes
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Lyn Z
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.09.07 11:46:00 -
[239]
Originally by: CCCP lalalalalla
ccp should just add warp to 0 for autopilot. If you can warp to 0 manually, why does ccp make us do extra work. Its like they want this game to be a timesink, ccp there are more important things in life. If possible cut down the time on stupid things such as this timesink.
Be at your computer when you're flying around or stfu. Problem there solved.
If there's more important things in life, then go do them.
Let's face it, you don't have more important things to do.
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Lyn Z
Minmatar
Ctrl Alt Elites
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Posted - 2007.09.07 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lyn Z on 07/09/2007 11:47:09
Originally by: Zixxa
Problem is not danger, but easy money for every ****** in the game.
And by ****** you mean every high sec mission running carebear?
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