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Hajyt
Caldari
EnTech
Pax Familia
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:34:00 -
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With all these forum posts about the same thing over and over and over...I wouldn't be suprised if more people tried this tactic to make quick money.
Just make a mod that blocks cargo scanning.
But for freighter pilots...don't go to highly populated systems. Sell your wares a few jumps out, or have a smaller indy take it the rest of the way.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:39:00 -
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1) pirates and suicide gankers need to make isk somehow. If they can do it, and profit off it, more power to them.
2) I putt around in high sec all the time hauling my loot. I have never had a problem. I watch people putt around in high sec all the time hauling their loot. I've seen very few problems, and it's always funny when it happens.
3) It's not ridiculous to have to have an escort if you're trucking 2 f-ing billion around. 2 billion isk should be worth your effort. If it's not, you're too rich, lazy, and should be relieved of your wallet.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:49:00 -
[33]
 Originally by: RFwills
Im liking the proactive points people have been making to help address the problem. I really appreciate it. Hopefully this gets recognized and thought on by the engineers of this fabulous game.
It has been and it better not change its the only thing that makes eve worth playing the fact that if you undock your at risk if you dont like it dont play eve its simple maybe a game like hello kitty world would be more suitable for you and yes if every gate in hi sec had suicide gankers on it i would still play eve.
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maarud
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:54:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Kuolematon
I heard that there is some corps that makes most of their ISK by suiciding nublets in empire 
As a carebear, I fully support this way of action. Thats why when I afk haul stuff, I have containers to hide my juicy officer itams! 
Hehe. Dude, I suggest you try scanning a ship with cans and I think you'll be surprised to see that you scan right through the cans...
Maarud.
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Pehova Mindtriq
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:32:00 -
[35]
One problem is that you can't really avoid it. You can't scout ahead with friends because you don't know who will suicide you at all. When the only solution is to have less valuable cargo hold then it might be time for ccp to look into this.
It just feels like the one getting ganked never have any chance to do something about it.
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Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:38:00 -
[36]
Originally by: RFwills
Edited by: RFwills on 08/06/2007 06:26:47
You can disagree all you want, I encourage healthy debate, but when this *** happens to you and youre out a couple bil, you just might be finding yourself singing a different tune. When this evolves and becomes as common as the backround stars. Something will have to be done, its only a matter of time. This is a chance for the developers to get ahead of a major problem.
Heres something, If almost every single hi sec system had gates with awaiting suicide gangs, would you play eve? Theres only one real answer to that question.
and you can whine all you want, hi-sec was never intended to be safe! if you move all your valuable stuff in a ship that thats easy to kill, you deserve to get suicide ganked. simple as that.
and i would still play "if almost every single hi sec system had gates with awaiting suicide gangs", simply for the reason that i'm not so stoupid. its people like you that want me to quit the game!
i lost, change it so i can win the next time! 
nerf whiners!
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS
FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:40:00 -
[37]
The biggest problem and in fact the very root of the whole highsec gank problem is that there are still nubs who fly about in untanked t1 haulers with billions in their cargo hold. THAT is the real reason this situation exists.
ITS THEIR OWN FAULT FOR BEING SO EASY TO KILL WITH AMAZING REWARDS FOR DOING SO.
They created a golden opportunity for people willing to do the ganking.
Geez if you used an occator or viator and tanked it up right you stand a far far better chance. Or hell if people would simply not put all their eggs in one basket....bloody fools.
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Ladyah Liandri
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:46:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Hajyt
Just make a mod that blocks cargo scanning.
Brilliant idea really. 
Ganker #1: "Hhmmm. Can't scan his cargo ..."
Ganker #2: "Maybe he put a scanning prohibitor on?"
Ganker #1: "Yeah. But why would he do that?"
Ganker #2: "Maybe he has something to hide ..."
Ganker #1: "Well ...."
Both (yelling). "Let's find out!"
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Callthetruth
Caldari
Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 08:48:00 -
[39]
boom
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DirtySnipe
CALDARI NAVY 'Wolf Pack' 5th Squadron
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 09:31:00 -
[40]
I agree with the point made that any ship/asset lose which is the result of concord intervention shoulld not be covered by insurance... Insurance should be void...
I also agree scanning should be hostile...
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Gutsani
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2007.06.08 09:37:00 -
[41]
Originally by: DirtySnipe
I agree with the point made that any ship/asset lose which is the result of concord intervention shoulld not be covered by insurance... Insurance should be void...
I also agree scanning should be hostile...
please come back when you have a decent solution, not a carebear one.
NERF WHINERS
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Hugh Ruka
Caldari
Free Traders
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Posted - 2007.06.08 09:47:00 -
[42]
Originally by: Gutsani
Originally by: DirtySnipe
I agree with the point made that any ship/asset lose which is the result of concord intervention shoulld not be covered by insurance... Insurance should be void...
I also agree scanning should be hostile...
please come back when you have a decent solution, not a carebear one.
NERF WHINERS
And your own decent solution is ? And no, denying the problem is not a solution ...
Originally by: JP Beauregard
The experience with Exodus playtesting has scarred me for life. Those were bug-reports, not feature requests, you numbskulls.... 
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raven415
Caldari
Special Projects Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.08 09:53:00 -
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The suicide ganker will always be there. However i do think his death penalty should be greater, ie no insurance paid on ships killed by concord. as for the stuff that drops in a wreck now so its a race to see who can get to it first. The standings from concord need to be looked into also. you can slip into ratting gear and improve your security rateing then go ganking in empire. I feel that 0.0 shouldn't raise the security rateing on a player after all it doesn't lower it
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Ty'derian
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.08 09:54:00 -
[44]
Originally by: RFwills
Edited by: RFwills on 08/06/2007 05:48:14
(Note, this is not just me griping, but rather a persistent attempt at bettering eve for everyone)
Ok so Ive been playing eve for about a year now. And havent had any real complaints about ccp and their rulings. Until now.
A friend in my corp(about a 2 year player) was in HIsec to move some of his supplies around. He was in jita with a cargohold and got suicide ganked by t2 ogres by only a couple people. He lost 2 bil and has now quit eve. I am flabberghasted(if thats how u spell that word), enraged, and dissapointed by ccp's judgement in this case. Its ludacris. The whole point of Hi sec is safety. You should be able to make a couple jumps without having to worry about dieing/loosing your stuff. I know through these forums more and more people are getting tired of this exploit, which is what I will call it because by the majority of eve players, thats what it is. Heres another thread I saw a smiliar incident occur on: LINK
Lets take this view of whether its an exploit or not away for a moment. Either way it is something eve players do not like being manipulated on them and customers are being lost. If customers are quitting eve then that means a real problem is at hand. This is not something ccp can just rule out as "thats how the game works". It is unfair to honest hi sec traders/haulers. Main reason is... It cannot be avoided! When a pooly armored indy is attacked by a suicide ganker gang with t2 heavy drones. There is nothing that can be done. The only way to stop it is to have a buddy reppin u on the whole duration of ur trip. If you had to seriously f'n get repped just to move about hisec safely then that is ridiculous in every sense of the word. And if something isnt done soon thats exactly how it will be. PLaying eve will be made alot less enjoyable by this factor and loose alot of fanbase.
Next thing: Concord is meant to protect the innocent right? Just like in real life? Well then concord isnt doing its job. Lemme give you an example of how it would be in real life if police forces acted like concord.
Good ol' JOhn Doe is walking down the street to go to the local store. Suddenly he is jumped by a gang, beaten, and stolen from. The cops come and arrest the offenders. But they let them keep the wallet filled with cash and let the man sit there, ignoring his obviously fatal injuries. Whats more, the officers replace the gangmembers tattered clothes and pay medical expenses for the injuries they may have occured while engaged in combat with the dude.
The main thing wrong with that scenario is that the criminals end up better off then the friggin victim. This would encourage crime in real life as it does in Eve. The gankers in eve are reimbursed for ships, and get to get all the loot afterwards. The victim is helpless and devestated by the major loss. This is unacceptable and should be addressed ASAP by ccp.
Thats all I have to say, please comment and sign if you agree that this is an exploit and should be stopped by ccp.
(Note to any devs/gm's reading this, my corpmates characters are malinda firestorm, salinda firestorm, and pyrite fardreamer, one of these has a petition on file, which as a first step should be attended to accordingly)
Sincerely,
RFwills
its easy, if CCP Developer are to stupid to fix anything its "game mechanic" if CCP Developer can fix it but didnt it yet its exploiting and bugusing
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Mephistophilis
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.08 09:57:00 -
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I don't see the problem with high sec ganking tbh It's not an exploit unless they don't loose there ship. I think the system works fine as it is. High sec carbares have it good enough without hitting pvp'ers harder yet again. Instead of leaving the game, why not grow a pair n get revenge! There is 30,000 people online at any given point. get your corp, alliance or group of freinds together and get some payback from the people who did it....
On a side note, i think the one thing eve is missing is accountablility for actions. I'm talking about people in noob corps weather they are alts or main chars. if they do wrong and they can't be attacked for it, you should be able to take it out on his/her corp! Get rid of noob corps for people more than 1 month old and increase the price to set up a corp so you don't have a million 1 man corps.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.06.08 09:59:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Gaven Blands on 08/06/2007 09:58:51
Originally by: RFwills
(Note, this is not just me griping, but rather a persistent attempt at bettering eve for everyone)
The Eve Dictionary defines "Everyone" as
noun. Describes a group of people such as yourself and those who agree with you, and ignores the basic premise that others may disagree.
Originally by: RFwills
Ok so Ive been playing eve for about a year now. And havent had any real complaints about ccp and their rulings. Until now.
In the end it comes home to roost.
Originally by: RFwills
It took TWO YEARS for somebody in my corp to get suicide ganked, that's how big a problem it is.
okee dokee.
Originally by: RFwills
oh noes! It can't be avoided if we put 2 billion in a poor indy pilot, and they use a skilled ganker, unless we rep him, but why should we have to?!
Physician might be able to heal himself at this point I feel.
Originally by: RFwills
Next thing: Concord is meant to protect the innocent right? Just like in real life? Well then concord isnt doing its job. Lemme give you an example of how it would be in real life if police forces acted like concord.
The next time the police show up in less than 20 seconds when you're getting murdered, let me know, so that I can pay you a million dollars which I am prepared to wager that this will never happen.
Originally by: RFwills
Here's my RL anaology made on the false premise that Eve is RL, and here is a summary that proves Eve is wrong.
Ok. Thanks for that, let me file it under B with all the other RL analogies, sure you wouldn't like to compare Eve to Chess and really make a statement?
Originally by: RFwills
Thats all I have to say, please comment and sign if you agree that this is an exploit and should be stopped by ccp.
Suicide ganking is hard enough, please don't nerf it further.
It's hard enough finding a gate without a gank team already on it, let alone actually pulling off your own.
Originally by: RFwills
(Note to any devs/gm's reading this, my corpmates characters are malinda firestorm, salinda firestorm, and pyrite fardreamer, one of these has a petition on file, which as a first step should be attended to accordingly)
Ahahahahaha.
My mate quit Eve because of an absolutely obvious bug. The subsequent GM response indicated that clearly GMs have Sweet FA ability to recognise the situations that occur, maybe a failing of logging, maybe they are complete morons, from my own personal dealings with GMs there are some that I wouldn't trust to tie a shoelace, let alone look after a game I'd spent 100(?) manyears and millions of dollars on.
9 days after his account ended he got an email from an SGM, in the same condascending tone as all the usual responses, telling him that he was very very wrong and he should apologise for wasting SGM time. So stupidity goes all the way up the chain.
CCP should be fixing bugs that cause people to leave before they set about turning "Bugs & Petitions: Online" into "Knitting & Coffee Morning: Online" thank you very much.
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Aioa
Planetary Assault Systems
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Posted - 2007.06.08 10:09:00 -
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I was gonna write a nice post but you just annoy me.
Idiots who never read the forums, don't even try to understand the game, and do stupid stuff like this deserve to get blown up. From a newbie I could understand it, but if you've been about long enough to earn 2 billion isk then you've been around long enough to learn how to protect it.
Your friend needs to take responsibility for his own actions and stop being so greedy and stupid.
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Detrol
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.08 10:13:00 -
[48]
Originally by: maarud
Hehe. Dude, I suggest you try scanning a ship with cans and I think you'll be surprised to see that you scan right through the cans...
Well, not like you, I actually did a test and guess what.... not even the container appears on scan and nothing of what's inside.
On top of that, there's another thread about suicide ganking and freighters and even one of the devs confirmed there that at this moment, it's not possible to scan into containers. Bug which will be fixed eventually.
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Detrol
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.08 10:19:00 -
[49]
Originally by: RFwills
Next thing: Concord is meant to protect the innocent right? Just like in real life? Well then concord isnt doing its job. Lemme give you an example of how it would be in real life if police forces acted like concord.
Good ol' JOhn Doe is walking down the street to go to the local store. Suddenly he is jumped by a gang, beaten, and stolen from. The cops come and arrest the offenders. But they let them keep the wallet filled with cash and let the man sit there, ignoring his obviously fatal injuries. Whats more, the officers replace the gangmembers tattered clothes and pay medical expenses for the injuries they may have occured while engaged in combat with the dude.
Well, as long as we're making real life comparisons anyway:
Meh, in my country what usually happens when a moneytruck (comparable to a hauler carrying 2bil?) is attacked, they waste the truck, take everything that's inside and some time later, when all the attackers are long gone, the police arrives to see what's happened. They didn't waste the attackers and usually don't even have a clue who was involved.
Ah, and the best comparison I like is that when I'm driving in my car and my car explodes, I'm dead. I don't have a clone to wake up into...
My point: don't compare Eve or any game to real life. It's not the same.
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Epicurus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.08 10:42:00 -
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What is needed is an online patition to express your support to bring about a change so that Hi Sec ganks are made harder. A change such as you dont get a insurance pay out for your ship or some other lose so that the gankers dont have a win win situation.
It does need to change and soon..
So anyone that has good skills with website get working on a patition that can be sent to CCP so they know how serious we are
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The Economist
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Posted - 2007.06.08 10:49:00 -
[51]
Edited by: The Economist on 08/06/2007 10:50:01
Analogy: let's say you walk up to a person outside a police station, pull out a gun and shoot him in the head. At what point will the police react? Before the crime? No. They lack psychic powers/omniscience/omnipotence/omnipresence. They shoot and/or arrest you when the crime is being/has been committed. Which is also what happens in eve.
So what you're really asking for are psychic police.
Say no to Minority Report!
Say no to Tom Cruise!
Say no to Scientology!
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.06.08 10:53:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Epicurus
What is needed is an online patition to express your support to bring about a change so that Hi Sec ganks are made harder. A change such as you dont get a insurance pay out for your ship or some other lose so that the gankers dont have a win win situation.
No, this is entirely wrong.
The only people who would vote are those that have a vested interest, the uninterested wouldn't vote, even if they have an opinion.
Since suicide gankers are outnumbered by probably 10 to 1 by the industrialist fluffy types, any vote the carebear want would be passed, even though the 0.0 community may agree with the gankers, they would not care to vote.
Additionally, the fluffies would just keep having the same vote over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over until they finally got a yes.
Just check the number of high sec whine threads for your proof.
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Epicurus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:01:00 -
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I dont think that they should stop hi sec ganks. Look at it like this..
You wake up one morning and decided your going to make a hit on a security van which has ú500,000,000 sat inside. Now this van is parked up next to 10 coppers sat in thier cars. You drive up in your car, get out and rob the van of ú500,000,000. Now the 10 copper see this crime taking place and all they do is tow your car away so you cannot drive off. Now your mate then comes in his car and you pass him the money and he drives off. You meet up later and split your takings.
Now that sound just crazy, but this is whats going on right now in eve, and more and more people are seeing the profit in this.
What is needed is a deterrent to make people think twice
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:02:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Kuolematon
I heard that there is some corps that makes most of their ISK by suiciding nublets in empire
As a carebear, I fully support this way of action. Thats why when I afk haul stuff, I have containers to hide my juicy officer itams!
Check ArtemisEntreri's stats on the CoW KB. Oh yeah, you are being watched. :P
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Vala Draaken
Madhatters Inc.
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:05:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Knerf
with all this empire ganking going on and all the *****ing about it and people saying this is not an exploit so on and so forth, look back a couple years to an incident in oursealeaut (sp even close?) where a member of the PA was suiciding people with smartbombing geddons, he did this for about a day then CCP said he either stops or he gets banned.... if it was illegal then why not now, why the change in position now, where is the consistancy.
Because he was doing it to get attention to himself or some roleplay politics and not for ISK rewards. He also announced that he was going specifically after new players. That's why it was classed as griefing and harrasment and he got warned.
Vala D.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:07:00 -
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Can I have his stuff?
Originally by: RFwills
Heres something, If almost every single hi sec system had gates with awaiting suicide gangs, would you play eve? Theres only one real answer to that question.
Sounds like earlier this year when we had several wars with Privateers. Didn't faze me much, in fact I welcomed our Privateer war decs as a chance for some Empire pew pew.
There are ways to avoid suicide gankers, like not using a tinfoil armoured industrial ship to move billions worth of assets. You don't see banks moving their money around in a Ford Cortina now do you?
My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:12:00 -
[57]
Originally by: RFwills
Next thing: Concord is meant to protect the innocent right? Just like in real life? Well then concord isnt doing its job. Lemme give you an example of how it would be in real life if police forces acted like concord.
[i]Good ol' JOhn Doe is walking down the street to go to the local store. Suddenly he is jumped by a gang, beaten, and stolen from. The cops come and arrest the offenders. But they let them keep the wallet filled with cash and let the man sit there, ignoring his obviously fatal injuries. Whats more, the officers replace the gangmembers tattered clothes and pay medical expenses for the injuries they may have occured while engaged in combat with the dude.
Thats all I have to say, please comment and sign if you agree that this is an exploit and should be stopped by ccp.
I'm sorry to hear about this, alltough your senario isn't exactly correct.
It's more like;
Somebody with extremely expensive juwerely walking down random streets at 3am in the night, your bound to get robbed.
Also, carry'ing 2bill worth of isk in what whas probably a t1 hauler isn't exactly smart.
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Epicurus
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:14:00 -
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Originally by: Irongut
Can I have his stuff?
There are ways to avoid suicide gankers, like not using a tinfoil armoured industrial ship to move billions worth of assets. You don't see banks moving their money around in a Ford Cortina now do you?
Its not about what you move your stuff in Irongut
If your at war then you know what to expect. Its about the principle of safe space. OK so it should not be 100% safe, but it needs to be safer and I have said this before and will again.. Gankers should not be in a win win situation..
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kuolematon
I heard that there is some corps that makes most of their ISK by suiciding nublets in empire
As a carebear, I fully support this way of action. Thats why when I afk haul stuff, I have containers to hide my juicy officer itams!
A...*thinks* nevermind. Might get spanked if i say something.
No.. wait...
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Lance Hawke
Beyond Divinity Inc
Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.06.08 11:18:00 -
[60]
hahahahaha
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