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Drechana Endisil
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Posted - 2007.09.07 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Drechana Endisil on 07/09/2007 12:24:55
what use are scouts??? please someone tell me what use scouts are in empire?? i cannot compute??!??!
Lol you see reason i cant understand why everyone says use scouts to stay safe in empire is that ANYONE can be a suicide ganker....scouts are absolutley useless, "oh look, there are 300 people in jita, lets use our spidey sense to see which ones are suicide gankers" ffs u morons lol....in fact i would go so far as to say that scouts in empire (unless u are at war, which is not the case here) are about as useful as a chocolate teapot or a cup of cold pi*s
And to the people that say dont carry around all ur expensive stuff....WELL WHAT IF U R TAKING IT TO JITA TO SELL IT YOU MORONS! LOL....you see no matter what all u "ooo thats the way the game works" CCP sickofants say and excuses you make and things u come up with to minimise the risk, the fact that people can get ganked in what is widely believed to be safe space...makes people quit the game. I really dont care if you people think that its tough luck the fact of the matter is, people play this game for different reasons some like fighting and some like trading and some like just sitting there lookin at the stars while making copies of T2 BP's ....but no matter what those reasons are CCP do not want peole to leave the game.
I totally agree with the OP. Something should be done about it, admittedly u cant really stop it but i dont think that SG's should get insurance and maybe a nice bit of complicated code put in place that if u gank in 0.5 and above then u cant access the wreck and cargo that is left behind...yeah that would be nice.
Yes i am a carebear and i love it cause im cute and cuddly and all the girls love me.
Oh and also, there really are a lot of people on these forums that are complete wan**rs arnt there. They disagree with wat you say but dont really give an explanation as to why or if they do say someting its a flame or calling you a noob or calling you a whiner...saddos lol. Hope something gets done for ya OP :)
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Major Death
Caldari
Space Salvage Incorperated
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Posted - 2007.09.07 12:30:00 -
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CCP need to create some T2 haulers. These ships should be much easier to tank, and harder to kill. Then people moving billions of isk worth of stuff could use them to avoid getting ganked.
Come on CCP, put in tougher haulers!
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Raneru
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.07 12:33:00 -
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Edited by: Raneru on 07/09/2007 12:33:43
 Originally by: Drechana Endisil
Edited by: Drechana Endisil on 07/09/2007 12:24:55
what use are scouts??? please someone tell me what use scouts are in empire?? i cannot compute??!??!
Lol you see reason i cant understand why everyone says use scouts to stay safe in empire is that ANYONE can be a suicide ganker....scouts are absolutley useless,
If you sit at any gate for more than 30 secs you can work out who is a suicide ganker. Quote:
And to the people that say dont carry around all ur expensive stuff....WELL WHAT IF U R TAKING IT TO JITA TO SELL IT YOU MORONS! LOL....
if your cargo is that valuable to you, take it in a t2 hauler, or split it up and put it in heavier ships LOL...
EDIT: Major death, really hope that was a sarcastic post.. 
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.09.07 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Major Death
CCP need to create some T2 haulers. These ships should be much easier to tank, and harder to kill. Then people moving billions of isk worth of stuff could use them to avoid getting ganked.
Come on CCP, put in tougher haulers!
Ever considered that CCP doesn't want you to move 10's of billions of ISK worth of cargo without risk?
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Needo
Minmatar
Swedish Academy
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Posted - 2007.09.07 13:04:00 -
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Sure there could be some risk involved in hauling treasure, but the real problem is that there is no risk at all involved in highsec ganking. You know what you will get (cargo scan) and you know what you are going to loose (which is too little for starters). The big flaw is that the highsec gankers are protected by CONCORD while camping and can do so forever without any risk at all. Ironic isn't it? Secure space for the pirates, unsafe space for the traders that would have needed the protection. I am pretty sure that ccp did not mean to design high sec that way.
Suggestions:
* If you kill in high sec (not attack, kill), you get a really really serious sec hit. More or less insta-outlaw.
* No insurance on ships lost to CONCORD.
Imo high sec gankers should have to dec war to gank so that two can play the killing game. Not just sit under a CONCORD umbrella and gank haulers, thats more harvesting than pvp.
...and if you really want to give more protection, let CONCORD remote rep victims, but that is prolly taking it too far.
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Aggrod
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Posted - 2007.09.07 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Drechana Endisil
And to the people that say dont carry around all ur expensive stuff....WELL WHAT IF U R TAKING IT TO JITA TO SELL IT YOU MORONS! LOL....
Then you take it in a ship that can get past suicide gankers. A blockade runner is not to expensive and does not take long to train for.
Or, failing that, move it in smaller loads. Ive used a battleship to haul for me before, taken a few runs to do it, but the ship will take alot of firepower to take out in empire.
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Lucre
STK Scientific
M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.09.07 14:21:00 -
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The suicide-ganking of indies in hisec is no doubt annoying to the victims, but as others have noted there are ways of avoiding this, even playing solo.
Big problem atm is that this doesn't hold for freighters. You can't fit them for defence/escape; they're so slow into warp that scouting is futile (you can leave a cloaked scout off the jump-in gate and warp your gankers in whilst it's still aligning); and their cargo is so large that it won't practically fit into anything more survivable. About the only plan that would work is command/logistics gangmates to keep them alive, but doing that for every freighter movement would be a nightmare and also is not an option for the solo pilot.
CCP - we know you're aware of the problem. Fix it, huh? Soon. Or preferably sooner.
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Darwin Award
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Posted - 2007.09.07 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: Kuolematon
I heard that there is some corps that makes most of their ISK by suiciding nublets in empire 
As a carebear, I fully support this way of action. Thats why when I afk haul stuff, I have containers to hide my juicy officer itams! 
that sounds dumb
why AFK haul that not playing eve at all !
i hope you get podded a good number of times for not staying in the game .
Sarcasim, look it up Hilabana.
As much as I hate to say it if you fail to plan you have planned for this to happen. I have the solution that people are asking for plain and simple. You commit the act of blowing up someone in a gang, your gang gets blame. You attempt to steal someone's goods from a wreck? Welcome to blown up status. Oh wait... I got it now. High sec, you target someone else not in gang or at war? CONCORD!!!!
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pilgrim8
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Posted - 2007.09.07 17:23:00 -
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to be honest,
ccp is afraid of doing something for want of ****ing off someone/group and making them quit
yeah sure empire isnt 100pc safe but they also have a rule about griefing dont they? isnt that what that is. or does it have to happen to 1 person repeated times to be called that.
i said before you wanna see them change something. have a few hundred peeps start making alts in the newb starter systems and start killing all the new players who try eve
watch them finally do something when after a few months their paid player base dont grow
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Irob Urore
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.07 18:00:00 -
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My suggestion is, if you can't beat them join em. If enough people do this then either something gets done by CCP. Or it will eventually become subconsciously embedded into the community, that hauling loot around in a ship that can get ganked in 1 or 2 volleys, is a bad idea, especially with faction missiles now a days.
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DOC PIC
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Posted - 2007.09.07 18:07:00 -
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FFS THIS IS PROBABLY WHAT POST# 2,452,365 ABOUT HIGH SEC GANK WHINEAGE!!!!
1.ITS A FREAKING GAME LEARN HOW TO PLAY AND IF YOUR FRIEND WAS A 2YO PLAYER HE KNEW BETTER.
2.ITS WELL WITHIN GAME MECHANICS SO NO NEED TO CHANGE ANYTHING!!! EVE IS NOT WOW OR HELLO KITTY..
AND YES I LOST A T2 BPO TO HIGH SEC GANKERS..
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Irob Urore
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.09.07 18:50:00 -
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looks like they ganked your caps lock key as well.
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DOC PIC
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Posted - 2007.09.07 18:52:00 -
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LOL Some people need it spelled out for them
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Captian Internet
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Posted - 2007.09.07 18:58:00 -
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Who's the douche that resurrected this thread?
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DOC PIC
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Posted - 2007.09.07 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: Captian Internet
Who's the douche that resurrected this thread?
ROFL they must be bored at work tooo
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Admiral Black
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.09.07 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Aaron
Originally by: Admiral Black
CCP NEVER ment this game to be played afk.
so what about the afk cloakers then?
That's not exactly "Playing" is it?
now stop trolling
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Admiral Black
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.09.07 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: CCCP lalalalalla
ccp should just add warp to 0 for autopilot. If you can warp to 0 manually, why does ccp make us do extra work. Its like they want this game to be a timesink, ccp there are more important things in life. If possible cut down the time on stupid things such as this timesink.
Originally by: Admiral Black
CCP NEVER ment this game to be played afk.
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Admiral Black
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.09.07 23:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sturack
Here is an idea for revenge on the Gankers
 Hang out near a camp in a cheap destroyer, when Concord pops one of them for ganking, POD'EM!!!!!
Maybe after they loose 100mil in implants  they may see the error of their ways or at least have the smirk wiped off their face when they appear in a clone vat 2 regions away
Podding them will get you concorded AND cost you more security status than you want to know about.
You may NOT podkill criminally flagged pilots.
You may ONLY podkill if:
a) you are at war
b) they are -5.0 sec status or lower
c) you are in 0.0 space.
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Admiral Black
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.09.07 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Drechana Endisil
Edited by: Drechana Endisil on 07/09/2007 12:24:55
what use are scouts??? please someone tell me what use scouts are in empire?? i cannot compute??!??!
Lol you see reason i cant understand why everyone says use scouts to stay safe in empire is that ANYONE can be a suicide ganker....scouts are absolutley useless,
I hate to keep posting here but there's just so much stupidity I can handle.
Your scout is supposed to look for people who:
a) are just sitting there on the gate
b) got those sensor boosters going (blue wavy lines emenating fromt he ship)
c) scanning people. (scanner makes a whole lotta noise)
If you see two domis and a badger all in the same corp and all running sensor boosters then it's probably a gank.
Wait for them to gank someone esle then sail on through
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Admiral Black
The IMorral MAjority
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Posted - 2007.09.07 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: Major Death
CCP need to create some T2 haulers. These ships should be much easier to tank, and harder to kill. Then people moving billions of isk worth of stuff could use them to avoid getting ganked.
Come on CCP, put in tougher haulers!
and more!!
Dood.. wtf do you thin "trasnports" are? just fancy t1 haulers? they ARE t2 haulers.
And you can tank them VERY well.
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Ridley Scot
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.08 07:53:00 -
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I lost 400 mil in materials and my transport ship to two suicide Myrmidons in high sec today. I filled the petition and I'm sure I will get a reply that its ok to do that.
I will do two things:
1. Use 10 bil ISK I earned for two years I'm playing EVE to buy battleships and smartbomb everyone around Jita, I'll try and target noobs in small ships whenever possibile (well its ok to do it so why not?)
2. When all the ISK is gone I will cancel all 3 of my accounts until they decide to do something about this
(if you want my stuff you cant have it because I will spend it to buy battleships and smartbombs)
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Vajak
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ridley Scot
I lost 400 mil in materials and my transport ship to two suicide Myrmidons in high sec today. I filled the petition and I'm sure I will get a reply that its ok to do that.
I will do two things:
1. Use 10 bil ISK I earned for two years I'm playing EVE to buy battleships and smartbomb everyone around Jita, I'll try and target noobs in small ships whenever possibile (well its ok to do it so why not?)
2. When all the ISK is gone I will cancel all 3 of my accounts until they decide to do something about this
(if you want my stuff you cant have it because I will spend it to buy battleships and smartbombs)
The funny part is that people like you fail to grasp the fact that the majority of EVE players are here because of the freedom this game offers. Does this game have the best PVE out there ? definetly not. Does this game have the most unforgiving PVP out there ? Yes and thats what keeps EVE growing. CCP has found their niche and isnŠt going to change that because people fail the realize what EVE is about before joining.
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Ridley Scot
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vajak
Originally by: Ridley Scot
I lost 400 mil in materials and my transport ship to two suicide Myrmidons in high sec today. I filled the petition and I'm sure I will get a reply that its ok to do that.
I will do two things:
1. Use 10 bil ISK I earned for two years I'm playing EVE to buy battleships and smartbomb everyone around Jita, I'll try and target noobs in small ships whenever possibile (well its ok to do it so why not?)
2. When all the ISK is gone I will cancel all 3 of my accounts until they decide to do something about this
(if you want my stuff you cant have it because I will spend it to buy battleships and smartbombs)
The funny part is that people like you fail to grasp the fact that the majority of EVE players are here because of the freedom this game offers. Does this game have the best PVE out there ? definetly not. Does this game have the most unforgiving PVP out there ? Yes and thats what keeps EVE growing. CCP has found their niche and isnŠt going to change that because people fail the realize what EVE is about before joining.
I see....
So what is EVE really about? Is it about trying to find any smallest loophole and exploit to grief and take advantage of other players? Is that what is so great about EVE?
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Vajak
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:36:00 -
[264]
Edited by: Vajak on 08/09/2007 08:38:02
Originally by: Ridley Scot
Edited by: Ridley Scot on 08/09/2007 08:16:04
Originally by: Vajak
Originally by: Ridley Scot
I lost 400 mil in materials and my transport ship to two suicide Myrmidons in high sec today. I filled the petition and I'm sure I will get a reply that its ok to do that.
I will do two things:
1. Use 10 bil ISK I earned for two years I'm playing EVE to buy battleships and smartbomb everyone around Jita, I'll try and target noobs in small ships whenever possibile (well its ok to do it so why not?)
2. When all the ISK is gone I will cancel all 3 of my accounts until they decide to do something about this
(if you want my stuff you cant have it because I will spend it to buy battleships and smartbombs)
The funny part is that people like you fail to grasp the fact that the majority of EVE players are here because of the freedom this game offers. Does this game have the best PVE out there ? definetly not. Does this game have the most unforgiving PVP out there ? Yes and thats what keeps EVE growing. CCP has found their niche and isnŠt going to change that because people fail the realize what EVE is about before joining.
I see....
So what is EVE really about? Is it about trying to find any smallest loophole and exploit to grief and take advantage of other players? Things like corp theft, spying, scaming, lying, cheating? Is that what is so great about EVE and is that why we all play it ?????
Well quite frankly yes that is part of it. Obviously you only took the parts that suite your own agenda here but EVE definetly offers by far the most possibilities for players to be creative. You call them exploits again to further your own agenda when itŠs quite obvious that they arenŠt. Corp theft allowed by CCP, scamming also allowed, etc.
And the funny thing is I havenŠt done any of those, so why do risk of those constantly affects my gameplay ? Well it makes itŠs lot more interesting because you never know what is gonna happen next and you need to be able to think, or you are gonna lose as has happened to you.
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Ridley Scot
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.09.08 08:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vajak
Edited by: Vajak on 08/09/2007 08:38:02
Originally by: Ridley Scot
Edited by: Ridley Scot on 08/09/2007 08:16:04
Originally by: Vajak
Originally by: Ridley Scot
I lost 400 mil in materials and my transport ship to two suicide Myrmidons in high sec today. I filled the petition and I'm sure I will get a reply that its ok to do that.
I will do two things:
1. Use 10 bil ISK I earned for two years I'm playing EVE to buy battleships and smartbomb everyone around Jita, I'll try and target noobs in small ships whenever possibile (well its ok to do it so why not?)
2. When all the ISK is gone I will cancel all 3 of my accounts until they decide to do something about this
(if you want my stuff you cant have it because I will spend it to buy battleships and smartbombs)
The funny part is that people like you fail to grasp the fact that the majority of EVE players are here because of the freedom this game offers. Does this game have the best PVE out there ? definetly not. Does this game have the most unforgiving PVP out there ? Yes and thats what keeps EVE growing. CCP has found their niche and isnŠt going to change that because people fail the realize what EVE is about before joining.
I see....
So what is EVE really about? Is it about trying to find any smallest loophole and exploit to grief and take advantage of other players? Things like corp theft, spying, scaming, lying, cheating? Is that what is so great about EVE and is that why we all play it ?????
Well quite frankly yes that is part of it. Obviously you only took the parts that suite your own agenda here but EVE definetly offers by far the most possibilities for players to be creative. You call them exploits again to further your own agenda when itŠs quite obvious that they arenŠt. Corp theft allowed by CCP, scamming also allowed, etc.
And the funny thing is I havenŠt done any of those, so why do risk of those constantly affects my gameplay ? Well it makes itŠs lot more interesting because you never know what is gonna happen next and you need to be able to think, or you are gonna lose as has happened to you.
I see, so a smart person could find a way out of high sec gank. What would that be, maybe use a helicopter next time I need some stuff from Jita market?
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Vajak
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Posted - 2007.09.08 09:17:00 -
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Well couple ways: fit your industrial to be able to tank something (this may be sound like a obvious advice but eg. there are plenty of industrials flying around with nothing but cargo expanders), use contracts, fit for speed im sure you could make your indy to almost insta warp with right mods, use blockade runners, use non-transport ships when you dont even need to cargo space of one, divide your cargo in smaller pieces to minimize the risk, use scouts, travel in groups, use ecm, use the map, use stabs, train skills that give you more agi, speed, shield, armor, structure, etc.
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.09.08 10:11:00 -
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Edited by: Gamesguy on 08/09/2007 10:11:52
Speaking from experience as someone who makes isk by suicide ganking in highsec.
1. Don't be afk. That golden rule will save you from 95% of all gankers out there. I cannot catch a single non-afk hauler simply because most gankers consist of the main and his hauler alt.
2. Either use a super tanked transport or a nanoed blockade runner if you must afk. Despite what you might tank I and I'm sure other suicide gankers can and do suicide transport ships and blockade runners in highsec, you need a t2 fitted bs with a high alpha strike/dps to do it, but t2 is cheap nowadays.
However, a plated/eanm fitted transport ship(as opposed to one fitted with cargo expanders) is virtually impossible to suicide without a rather large force, and OD+nano blockade runners present a very short timeframe in which they are vulnerable, perhaps not long enough to lock+scan(I know I've missed a few this way, by the time I made a scan and calcualted the rough value of the cargo its too late).
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Devious
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Posted - 2007.09.08 11:15:00 -
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Bottom line is. if ccp are allowing players to combat in high security while being able to withstand concord and sentry gun fire then put concord back to destructable status as this is how eve was originally, its now apparent with all these rigs and boosters players can negate concord for a short time and kill whatever they want to including tanked BS and freighters. So if ccp disagree with concord being killable then remove the ability to pvp in high sec, simple.
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MTX PT
New European Regiment
Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.09.08 12:11:00 -
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I'm not against suicidal gangs, if that is the role play of that chars, in eve does not exist 100% safe places besides stations.
But I don't agree with disposable suicidal chars.
I live in 0.0 and when I need some fits I use a char to go to Jita and buy the stuff and bring it for transportation, one of this trips, in uedema one brutix attack and destroy the frig for a lousy and cheap T2 fits, peanuts in value.
The char used for the attack have 18 days, and took 15s to take out the frigate, seems a lot.
With the increase of skills for the new players, we had a increase of suicidal chars, and that is being out of control, I know friends that had the same problem.
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Adhar Khorin
Amarr
Portsmouth Defense Industries
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Posted - 2007.09.08 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Devious
...with all these rigs and boosters players can negate concord for a short time and kill whatever they want to including tanked BS and freighters...
That's an interesting point; should CONCORD's damage output be rebalanced in the wake of the increased capabilities from the past few releases? It wouldn't make Hi-Sec "safe", but it would shift the risk/reward balance point toward the hauling community. That is, if CONCORD popped you faster, then you'd need more friends to take a ship down, and that ship would have to be carrying more valuable cargo to make it worth your while. Total safety? No. Rebalanced to take into consideration the increased abilities of highly-experienced and coordinated gangs of pirates? Perhaps.
I do think that a gang of 8 battleships probably shouldn't be able to take out a Freighter over the span of 8-10 minutes without losing to CONCORD, though. A gang of 12? 16? Meh, ok. That requires more coordination, and EVE is a group game, after all.
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