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Johana Walker Lonestar Squadron	Posted - 2007.06.12 15:59:00 - [1] To summarize 1) The T20 incident. myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 2) The TenTon Hammer interview of Magnus, CCP's CEO sounds like a Blacklight alt oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=535165 3) Broken trade routes in 0.0 allowing BoB to generate 2.2B a day http:// oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534459 4) The introduction of bugged 10/10 complexes on continous respawn on BoB space. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=501521 5) The addition of a disporportionate number of complexes and high value roid belts added to Delve back in Exodus. 6) CCP ssystem cap prohibting the D2 support fleet from jump bridging in during the battle of F-T (The support fleet would have brought the system over the unanounced cap). Linkageoldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=499356 7) POS bowling being ruled as an explint within 24 hours of Goonswarm aquiring their first supercap ship. 8) Rumored disproportionate disciplinary actions taken by GM's, specifically that BoB members were allowed to account share while other alliances had members banned for the same practices. oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=535208 9) CCP both condones TS spying and allows its employees to join player organizations that make no secret that they engage in this practice (which is illegal). Which brings us to where we are today. http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg Or as one coallition leader put it in a deleted post, everybody is hanging trying to hang on and hope that the game mechanics pendulem swings back against BoB with Rev 2.0. Now one of even two of the above could be excused, but so many events in relatively quick succession. Add to all this the involvement of assets with a very substantial blackmarket (ebay) value and CCP wonders why folks are looking at out of game stragegies? Magnus if you're reading this I have one question for you: are you now or have you ever been a member of BoB? If you're wondering if you should pack more weapons or makeup always pack the weapons. The fact that you're asking the question shows that you're going to need the weapons more.
Terazuk	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:01:00 - [2] Shoo! go away ~ "BANG you're dead!"
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:01:00 - [3] Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/06/2007 16:00:02 keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:01:00 - [4] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/06/2007 16:03:51 Originally by: Johana Walker 4) The introduction of bugged 10/10 complexes on continous respawn on BoB space. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=501521 5) The addition of a disporportionate number of complexes and high value roid belts added to Delve back in Exodus. Are you crazy? The 10/10s were removed permanently, leaving BoB the only major alliance in the game with no 10/10 complexes in their home territory. RA, on the other hand, has boatloads. And come on, Delve doesn't even have Arkonor IIRC. 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
DeTox MinRohim Madhatters Inc. M. PIRE	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:03:00 - [5] Edited by: DeTox MinRohim on 12/06/2007 16:10:32 Here we go again... sigh... IBTL but Ididn'tBDS. ------ This sig space is Read-only ! omgalink
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:04:00 - [6] Originally by: Johana Walker <crap> Go back to YCS.
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:06:00 - [7] So you have nine complaints against CCP that you think are scandalous? Sounds like you should stop paying those cheaters and quit the game then. BTW since I helped you work out what to do it would only be fair to send me all your stuff. Oh and DLTDHYAOTWO! My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
Visionsz Caldari Midas Tycho	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:10:00 - [8] Oh for the love of god do we really need 50 ***** thousands threads a day about BoB, cheating and CCP sucking the **. If you don't like it then sod off, stop trying to ruin my enjoyment of the game and yes reading the forums is part of the game for me! ARGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Barbens	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:16:00 - [9] Back to your hole...If you dont like CCP, then find something else to do... BaRbEnS
Tsukiko Ishida Amarr Emanation Of Malevolent Outcries	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:16:00 - [10] FAILEDÖ FAILEDÖ
Rabbitual Ferrier	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:17:00 - [11] The weird thing was that I used to believe them, but now I don't care, as long as the people making these posts simply leave the game. Bye, don't let the door hit you on the way out
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:17:00 - [12] lollerskates(zor) Brunswick2 is too sexy for the eve-o mods O RLY? - Kreul Ya rly
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:18:00 - [13] I look at the map. I look at number of corps involved on each side. Looks pretty even, all things considered, if you ask me. Heck, I expected BoB&co to have much more space for all the recent wooharaw. What's the problem ? _ New char creation guide \| Module/Rig stacknerfing explained
Ares Lightfeather Gallente	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:20:00 - [14] Let those thread grow ! they are really good. Man, the accusation are so ridiculous that I'm laughing now, when I see them.
Shadoo North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:20:00 - [15] I'm sure if I linked enough CNN/BBC/etc links in a selective and cute order, it would sound like Bush and Bin Laden were in fact the same person. There are some elements of the TenTon interview that I personally thought was very unprofessional as well -- but that doesn't mean it's a CCP conspiracy to kill GoonFleet and install BoB as the ruler of the universe. For heavens sakes, some people lost some pretend sand castles. You didn't lose them because of cheating, you lost them because the other side played the game better than you. So what? You don't shoot with Outposts. You get into a ship, go find other ships to shoot and you shoot them. In time, when they get tired of playing EVE: Civilizations / SimCity -- you can try to take your darned castles back (that you didn't build in the first place). The teenager emo-posts are getting old, thou with my T2 tinfoil on -- I have a feeling that the op is in fact a DBP alt.
Godar Marak Amarr Return Of Red Dawn	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:21:00 - [16] Edited by: Godar Marak on 12/06/2007 16:20:28 Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/06/2007 16:00:02 keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! dbp You do realize that BOB has zero credabilaty among the non bobbits and that you shouldnt post on these forums, right? I really love how you returned your theft BPO's instead of CCP taking them back. -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:24:00 - [17] Wow! Check that out! Looks like the brainwashing program worked! Maybe it's an inaudible signal being broadcast on Eve Voice during live dev blog thingies... This kind of CCP idolisation will only lead to greater despair.... Still, I'll probably be around to see it. Should be fun.
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:25:00 - [18] It all seemed pretty reasonable to me. What?? Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:25:00 - [19] This thread better have 10 pages by dinner time or else no food for you! __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:28:00 - [20] Originally by: Godar Marak You do realize that BOB has zero credabilaty among the non bobbits and that you shouldnt post on these forums, right? I really love how you returned your theft BPO's instead of CCP taking them back. keep on making up stuffs chaps I'm sure some of it will stick! dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Vitrael Stormriders Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:28:00 - [21] Aaaand this, folks, is why I don't even bother with 0.0. ----------
John McFly Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:30:00 - [22] To an outsider, it would seem like a certain video game company had taken a certain liking to a certain in-game corporation and was helping them out. But we all know BoB has said that they have never recieved any illegitimate assistance, and they'd never lie to us, right?
Godar Marak Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:31:00 - [23] Originally by: DB Preacher keep on making up stuffs chaps I'm sure some of it will stick! dbp You mean it was all a dream, that you got BPO's from t20? Amazing scenes! -------------------- '\0/\0/\0/\0/\0/' Cant we all just get along?
Doppleganger Minmatar Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Johana Walker To summarize 2) The TenTon Hammer interview of Magnus, CCP's CEO sounds like a Blacklight alt oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=535165 Magnus if you're reading this I have one question for you: are you now or have you ever been a member of BoB? CEO? I didnt see any quotes from Hilmar in that article.
Agent Li	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:36:00 - [25] To a player who has been in game seven months, I note that even if all of the BoB stories were absolutely 100% true, none of it would have made a bit of difference in my gameplay to this point. Zero. Nada. Zip. ------------------ "Don't be afraid to take advantage of your enemy's weaknesses. Becasuse winning is everything after all."
Emsigma Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Johana Walker 1) The T20 incident. That was well **** up and I don't understand why on earth T20 was not fired and maybe also prosecuted since it most likely was a breach against his contract. Originally by:** Johana Walker 2) The TenTon Hammer interview of Magnus, CCP's CEO sounds like a Blacklight alt Sounds fair to me. GoonSwarm HAS been making up ridiculous accusations that has been proven false over and over again. Originally by: Johana Walker 3) Broken trade routes in 0.0 allowing BoB to generate 2.2B a day http:// What stops you for doing the same thing? YOu can run exactly the same thing with a carrier or dread fleet as well. This has literarly been around since eve started. Back in Exodus you could do this with Protein trade goods and some POS parts, then you could do it with Consumer Electronics and now you can do it with Plutonium. Originally by: Johana Walker 4) The introduction of bugged 10/10 complexes on continous respawn on BoB space. You are thinking of RA, not BoB. Originally by: Johana Walker 5) The addition of a disporportionate number of complexes and high value roid belts added to Delve back in Exodus. I might be wrong now, but was Delve even BoB space when Exodus was launched? I remember NORAD being afraid of BoB attacking them so that they could use Outer Ring as a staging point against Fountain. Originally by: Johana Walker 6) CCP ssystem cap prohibting the D2 support fleet from jump bridging in during the battle of F-T (The support fleet would have brought the system over the unanounced cap). Fair point, and CCP has always been EXTREMLY bad at communicating important limits like this. Originally by: Johana Walker 7) POS bowling being ruled as an explint within 24 hours of Goonswarm aquiring their first supercap ship. Are you saying that it should not be an exploit or do you say that they wanted AAA to steal BoB's stuff and BoB to steal stuff, but just wanted to punish GoonFleet? Originally by: Johana Walker 8) Rumored disproportionate disciplinary actions taken by GM's, specifically that BoB members were allowed to account share while other alliances had members banned for the same practices. This is something I have been complaining about since the start of EVE. The fact that the GM's are not trained and does not have any kind of routines what so ever, but cases are handled on an ad-hook base every single time. Originally by: Johana Walker 9) CCP both condones TS spying and allows its employees to join player organizations that make no secret that they engage in this practice (which is illegal). I didn't know that CCP was condoning TS spying, but if so then I agree with them. How you can think that a player that plays the game in his regular corp and on their TS can be a spy is out of my world. Originally by: Johana Walker Or as one coalition leader put it in a deleted post, everybody is hanging trying to hang on and hope that the game mechanics pendulem swings back against BoB with Rev 2.0. No, a few of the trouble makers are looking for more spins that they can pull, more things to suspect CCP for and more things to discredit CCP with. Some players are hanging in there and hoping for some kind of change of game mechanics that would only penalize BoB, but no one else. Most players are just playing the game and enjoying it and could not care less about any pro-CCP or anti-CCP bull**** at all and are contributing to EVE as the only live game with "the butterly effect" out there. ---
Erichk Knaar Caldari Maelstrom Crew	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Agent Li To a player who has been in game seven months, I note that even if all of the BoB stories were absolutely 100% true, none of it would have made a bit of difference in my gameplay to this point. Zero. Nada. Zip. As a player of the game for nearly 4 years, I concur...
Oosel Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 16:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: Agent Li To a player who has been in game seven months, I note that even if all of the BoB stories were absolutely 100% true, none of it would have made a bit of difference in my gameplay to this point. Zero. Nada. Zip. As a player of the game for nearly 4 years, I concur... me too apart from the fact ive been on the **** with a good few of them at the big london meets....not once has the mighty bob ever impacted on my gameplay....they might be the best but you can always avoid them so easily
John McFly Ganja Labs Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:00:00 - [29] Edited by: John McFly on 12/06/2007 16:59:17 Originally by: Dark Shikari Are you crazy? The 10/10s were removed permanently, leaving BoB the only major alliance in the game with no 10/10 complexes in their home territory. RA, on the other hand, has boatloads. And come on, Delve doesn't even have Arkonor IIRC. If I recall correctly, you only reported those complexes on the forum right before RA was expected to conquer them.
000Hunter000 Gallente Magners Marauders	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:01:00 - [30] OH brother!!! Another one? CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
DeckardIRL Bombshell Cartel	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:03:00 - [31] The T20 incident is the only thing you can complain about here. The rest is pure whine whine whine. Get over yourself. Deck
WhitePhantom Gallente Edenists	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:05:00 - [32] Quote: 7) POS bowling being ruled as an explint within 24 hours of Goonswarm aquiring their first supercap ship. This is a bold face lie... BoB was told it was an Exploit, somebody else was told it wasn't. Only after BoB experienced somebody using the same "exploit" did they start using it again. Granted it was "ruled" an exploit after BoB experienced lost something of great value, but its doubtful thats the reason why. There was a discussion on the subject, and people brought up good points, and CCP decided most likely at that time it was an exploit. BoB lost stuff to what is now an exploit, so just because it was changed to an exploit after "Cry Wolf" Squad built something doesn't prove a damn thing. Go back under your rock, and shut the heck up, because your not helping anyone. Regards to BoB having control over alot of new regions, "Cry Wolf" Squad didn't defend those locations clearly. Quote: 9) CCP both condones TS spying and allows its employees to join player organizations that make no secret that they engage in this practice (which is illegal). Prove that this happens and its illegal if it does happen ( which has not been proven ). I want to see the LAW in writting word for word where it says that that practice is legal. It doesn't exist, because CCP is a private company and they can do whatever they feel like within their product. Anything that effects currency, or object made out of real materials is under the protection of laws. Quote: 8) Rumored disproportionate disciplinary actions taken by GM's, specifically that BoB members were allowed to account share while other alliances had members banned for the same practices. oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=535208 Your using a rumor, and a link that doesn't work, doesn't prove a thing. At this point I have proven 3 of your 9 points to be false, I think I will continue to prove you wrong. Quote: 2) The TenTon Hammer interview of Magnus, CCP's CEO sounds like a Blacklight alt oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=535165 His statement is a logical reaction to a very close issue ( the reputation of CCP ) so I see nothing wrong with it. Quote: 3) Broken trade routes in 0.0 allowing BoB to generate 2.2B a day http:// oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534459 What exactly did "BoB" do wrong, they saw a chance to make money and they used it, using the game itself. Perhaps they should have reported it, and I hope they did, but if CCP didn't fix it right away then it must have not been a big deal. I am sure others have "used" similar market quirks in the past, so place BoB in the "cheating" light for making money when others didn't. Quote: 6) CCP ssystem cap prohibting the D2 support fleet from jump bridging in during the battle of F-T (The support fleet would have brought the system over the unanounced cap). Linkageoldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=499356 Yep CCP are fools, they should have let the node crash, so nobody could have played. Quote: 4) The introduction of bugged 10/10 complexes on continous respawn on BoB space. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=501521 They removed the complexes from BoB space, go find something else to miss state the facts. Quote: 1) The T20 incident. myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=424 3) Broken trade routes in 0.0 allowing BoB to generate 2.2B a day http:// oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=534459 The above quoted text should never have happen. Using your own reasoning, "Now one of even two of the above could be excused", everything as now been excused. I am not in an alliance I just wait the "Cry Wolf" Squad aka Goon Squad because they don't tell the old truth by holding back facts.
Vana Gank Gallente Nosferatu Security Foundation	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:06:00 - [33] @OP If you dont like the company, just leave If you dont like the game, just leave The rest that deosn't bother about all these things, true or false will keep on playing. And you can't change that. -------------------------- Please adjust the map, please. Im not clever enough to figure out which way to fly.
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:08:00 - [34] Ok I'll bite. 1. Done to death, everyone agrees it could have been handled better by CCP. However, it was one CCP employee missbehaving and was no reflection on any other BoB member whatsoever. If you seriously believe that those half a dozen bpo's have had anything other than a miniscule impact on our progress within Eve then you are very wrong indeed, compared to our otherwise massive list of T2 and capital bpos it was a drop in the ocean. A disgraceful affair admittedly but it was no reflection on the other members of our alliance in the slightest. 2. You do realise Magnus is not CCP's CEO don't you? It's kind of important to be 100% sure of your facts when posting accusations like this thread. Magnus seems like a pretty smart guy though, thanks for equating me with him. 3. Those trade routes are available to anyone, the issue is that NPC trade goods can be highly profitable it has nothing to do with BoB at all other than the fact we're smart enough to utilise all the tools CCP has made available to everyone who plays Eve. If you're unhappy with game mechanics then by all means use the correct vehicle to raise your concerns but don't lay the blame for CCP's design decisions at our door. 4. Delve had no 10/10 complexes at all, so when more complexes were added globally Delve got a couple, they were bugged and dropped nothing of value at all to begin with and we didn't run them because of that, the bug was petitioned, the fix to the original bug broke them further in that they were then too valuable, they were petitioned again with the result that they were removed and never reinstated. BoB got little to no benefit from those 10/10s in Delve at all. 5. The roids in Delve are pretty average, there are far better regions if you want to mine, Fountain for starters and for that matter I always preferred Branch for seriously carebearing it up in the belts there was certainly no roid humping euphoria within BoB following Exodus, you are frankly just making that up. Delve never had complexes higher than a 6/10 and those were significantly less profitable than the 8/10 and 10/10 complexes that Delve didn't have, no special favours for us there either. 6. Thats just laughable. Local never got up near the alleged 700 person cap anyway and anyone with more brains than tinfoil in the region of their head would realise that bringing several thousand players to attack one system was always going to end in tears. There's no conspiracy at work in determining that such a large number of players attempting to move to one system (not to mention the hundreds and thousands in surrounding systems) was going to cause massive lag and node stability issues therefore always putting at risk the feasibility of any kind of fight occuring let alone one with that number of people. 7. It's been said before often enough, we didn't do it first, we stopped when we were asked too, when -A- started doing it again we checked with a GM and were told it wasn't an exploit so we started doing it again and finally when someone at CCP worked out that this is an utterly ridiculous method of gameplay they finally put a stop to it. For sure you can criticise them for inconsistent handling of the issue and allowing it at any point but looking for a conspiracy against Goons when it was two of their allies most guilty of propogating the tactic is rather silly indeed. 8. Rumours, you should pay attention to facts and not listen to everything you hear or read just because it tallies with what you would like to believe. Blog
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:08:00 - [35] 9. Internet lawyers unite, I'm not getting into whether it's legal or not (although I am laughing at you for bringing that up). However, CCP have said they want their employees to participate in the game so of course they will end up in lots of different organisations. Spying is a part of Eve, whether you like it or not that will never change. Sort out your corporations security if you don't want people on your TS who are spies or accept the risk and move on. Attempting to score a point against CCP with this particular issue is a rather weak gambit that holds no water whatsoever. I can absolutely guarantee that there was spying in Eve long before BoB as an entity was created and before some of our corporations had even met in game, let alone started working together. Originally by: Johana Walker Which brings us to where we are today. http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg BoB started in the north of Eve with about 800 accounts, it's taken a lot of dedicated and honest gamers two years to grow the organisation to 2800 accounts and holding all that space. Hard work, effort, good leadership, coordination and an ungodly amount of fun has taken us to where we got today, nothing more and nothing less. Originally by: Johana Walker Or as one coallition leader put it in a deleted post, everybody is hanging trying to hang on and hope that the game mechanics pendulem swings back against BoB with Rev 2.0. The coalition leadership has had every chance to succeed in game and have to date failed, game mechanics have no impact on this, we are all playing on the same server with the same mechanics, if we succeed and they fail waiting for the next expansion won't help the coalition, CYVOK thought the next expansion would save ASCN it didn't. More effort in game, less whining on the forums leads to success not the other way around. So in summary, you dragged up some old stuff that everyone agrees was bad, you made up or repeated some stuff you'd heard about that could paint BoB and/or CCP in a bad light and finally you included some really weak arguments. Your attempted flame/troll bait fails. Blog
Kraven Kor Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:08:00 - [36] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/06/2007 16:00:02 keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! dbp Is it working for you yet? ----- You're not what you are, you're just what you do! So it ends with their butts and it starts with your shoe! - Awesome Car Fun Maker
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:16:00 - [37] Originally by: Kraven Kor Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/06/2007 16:00:02 keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! dbp Is it working for you yet? No more than the failed effort to fill these forums with crappy allegations is working for the tinfoil merchants ;) dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Death Kill Caldari direkte	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:23:00 - [38] Edited by: Death Kill on 12/06/2007 17:22:54 Originally by: Blacklight Ok I'll bite. Typing 'ok I'll bite' doesnt give you any credabilaty. Insteads you should write : 'I know my alliance is known for cheating and bad behaviour (after all we absorbed ATUK enough said!) but we are really innocent allthough evidence says othwerwise. In the credabilaty bank, BOB's account balance is currently -100.
Johana Walker Lonestar Squadron	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:33:00 - [39] Edited by: Johana Walker on 12/06/2007 17:36:48 Originally by: WhitePhantom Quote: 9) CCP both condones TS spying and allows its employees to join player organizations that make no secret that they engage in this practice (which is illegal). Prove that this happens and its illegal if it does happen ( which has not been proven ). I want to see the LAW in writting word for word where it says that that practice is legal. It doesn't exist, because CCP is a private company and they can do whatever they feel like within their product. Anything that effects currency, or object made out of real materials is under the protection of laws. (4) knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization, or exceeds authorized access, and by means of such conduct furthers the intended fraud and obtains anything of value, unless the object of the fraud and the thing obtained consists only of the use of the computer and the value of such use is not more than $5,000 in any 1-year period; http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477394 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=445436 BTW "thing of value" dosn't mean that you are the owner of it. Hence the phrasing. If you're wondering if you should pack more weapons or makeup always pack the weapons. The fact that you're asking the question shows that you're going to need the weapons more.
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:41:00 - [40] Originally by: Blacklight BoB started in the north of Eve with about 800 accounts, it's taken a lot of dedicated and honest gamers two years to grow the organisation to 2800 accounts and holding all that space. Its funny that your CEO doesnt know how many members BoB has. Last I checked you guys were at 2300 and change. Maybe in a week you guys got another 500 members, or maybe you just added more alts, who knows. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:46:00 - [41] Originally by: Johana Walker Edited by: Johana Walker on 12/06/2007 17:36:48 Originally by: WhitePhantom Quote: 9) CCP both condones TS spying and allows its employees to join player organizations that make no secret that they engage in this practice (which is illegal). Prove that this happens and its illegal if it does happen ( which has not been proven ). I want to see the LAW in writting word for word where it says that that practice is legal. It doesn't exist, because CCP is a private company and they can do whatever they feel like within their product. Anything that effects currency, or object made out of real materials is under the protection of laws. (4) knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization, or exceeds authorized access, and by means of such conduct furthers the intended fraud and obtains anything of value, unless the object of the fraud and the thing obtained consists only of the use of the computer and the value of such use is not more than $5,000 in any 1-year period; http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477394 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=445436 BTW "thing of value" dosn't mean that you are the owner of it. Hence the phrasing. link court ruleing over game spying or go away. if you cant find any see if you pay to get a court rulling oh and the laws in the us sucks balls Originally by: Eris Discordia We break after X amount of threads, then we go wild and then we get our medication.
Ling Xiao Prism Project Technologies	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:48:00 - [42] 2 measly pages? Come on hurry up. __________ If you think the game is rigged, why are you still playing?
Hogan Hulk	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:50:00 - [43] Can't beat them? Whine, whine, whine and whine some more? Quit the game already.
Wendat Huron Lupus Industries	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:51:00 - [44] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 12/06/2007 16:03:51 Originally by: Johana Walker 4) The introduction of bugged 10/10 complexes on continous respawn on BoB space. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=501521 5) The addition of a disporportionate number of complexes and high value roid belts added to Delve back in Exodus. Are you crazy? The 10/10s were removed permanently, leaving BoB the only major alliance in the game with no 10/10 complexes in their home territory. RA, on the other hand, has boatloads. And come on, Delve doesn't even have Arkonor IIRC. And rightfully so, personally I think you got off too easy.
RossP Zoyka	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:52:00 - [45] Originally by: Wixxs Edited by: Wixxs on 12/06/2007 16:56:39 Originally by: Agent Li To a player who has been in game seven months, I note that even if all of the BoB stories were absolutely 100% true, none of it would have made a bit of difference in my gameplay to this point. Zero. Nada. Zip. It probably won't make any difference or have any effect what-so-ever on most of the playerbase since the vast majority of them have no interest in 0.0 politics and prefare being empire dwellers. But for anyone joining the game and somewhere down the line wanting to expand their horizons into the 0.0 aspect, the seeds of doubt in regards to CCP favoritism and BoB cheating will forever linger. Is the deck stacked against me before I even try? will be the question in the back of everyones mind. Any hopes of CCP wanting people out of empire and into 0.0 has been severely kicked in the teeth. So in that respect it doesn't matter if the allegations are true or not, that seed of doubt is well and truly planted..... just look at the discussions going on in various gaming sites. Me and my corp have moved to delve and are all doing just fine (avoiding BoB and making money) and the "is the game stacked against us blah blah" has never entered any of our minds. Never Ever. We just play man. BoB blobs around all damn day and who cares? Their killboard is sweet lately though, I'm impressed.
Johana Walker Lonestar Squadron	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Johana Walker Edited by: Johana Walker on 12/06/2007 17:36:48 Originally by: WhitePhantom Quote: 9) CCP both condones TS spying and allows its employees to join player organizations that make no secret that they engage in this practice (which is illegal). Prove that this happens and its illegal if it does happen ( which has not been proven ). I want to see the LAW in writting word for word where it says that that practice is legal. It doesn't exist, because CCP is a private company and they can do whatever they feel like within their product. Anything that effects currency, or object made out of real materials is under the protection of laws. (4) knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization, or exceeds authorized access, and by means of such conduct furthers the intended fraud and obtains anything of value, unless the object of the fraud and the thing obtained consists only of the use of the computer and the value of such use is not more than $5,000 in any 1-year period; http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=477394 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=445436 BTW "thing of value" dosn't mean that you are the owner of it. Hence the phrasing. link court ruleing over game spying or go away. if you cant find any see if you pay to get a court rulling oh and the laws in the us sucks balls Most US court rulings aren't publically available, only appellant cases are (and some rulings of law in federal district court cases). Tbh the only case I know about a prosecution being initiated for TS spying comes from Europe: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=481258 If you're wondering if you should pack more weapons or makeup always pack the weapons. The fact that you're asking the question shows that you're going to need the weapons more.
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 17:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Lilan Kahn link court ruleing over game spying or go away. if you cant find any see if you pay to get a court rulling oh and the laws in the us sucks balls You dont have to link to a court ruling to prove a case. Linking to court rulings only help to show a precident when you are trying to prove a similar case in court. Lawyers only have to prove that a statute or law exists and that the actions are in violation of that law, thus the definition of a crime. IE, you dont have to submit the rulings in a past murder case to convict someone for shooting people in the face. A lawyer you obviously, are not. And the laws in your country are that much better? In fact, I argue that it is not the "law" that sucks balls, but the circus that has become of our court system, ie lawyers and judges stretching for convictions, plea barganing, and outright corruption. Its not the "law"s fault its being abused. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Angelonico Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:02:00 - [48] Good post. Now I get to smile at all the bobbits and fanbois who try to laugh this off. Your reputation is permanently damaged. Get over it. DBP
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Clorthos Originally by: Dark Shikari Are you crazy? The 10/10s were removed permanently, leaving BoB the only major alliance in the game with no 10/10 complexes in their home territory. RA, on the other hand, has boatloads. And come on, Delve doesn't even have Arkonor IIRC. move to the drone regions there are not even 1/10 plexes via exploration sites out here, we do get hidden roid belts from time to time but guess what they are broke like the regular roids in the belts. TTFN Yeah, the new regions are a bit screwed up tbh 23 Member EVE Video makers: save EVE-files bandwidth! Use the H.264 AutoEncoder!
Gemmi Onyc	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:14:00 - [50] Originally by: Blacklight BoB got little to no benefit from those 10/10s in Delve at all. Yeah sure we're going to take your word for it. Originally by: Blacklight finally when someone at CCP worked out that this is an utterly ridiculous method of gameplay they finally put a stop to it. Emphasis on finally, the only decent thing you said.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:15:00 - [51] Originally by: Blacklight 2. Magnus seems like a pretty smart guy though, thanks for equating me with him. Irony? In the interview he sounded far from being smart. And the accusations against Goonswarm were WAY out of any professional behaviour. Why? Even if a few of the 4000 goonswarm members were really out to hurt CCP and were not only upset about favourism, even then it is 100% wrong to take make the whole rest of their members responsible for these actions of a few. With the same reasoning it is perfectly fine then to say that ALL CCP is corrupt and cheating only because ONE of them did so. You can't claim to decide on cases only and then on the other hand condemn a whole group for the behaviour of a members. Also the other stuff which was in the interview, well, it was not really high quality. Originally by: Blacklight 3. Those trade routes... True, but no one else has titans ready for trading. Well, not that it is an exploit or anything and BoB is quite clever using this source of income, no doubt. Actually I would do the same if I could. But that doesn't mean that it is all fine in sense of game balance. I hope CCP will fix the NPC market soon that you cannot earn billions such easily day for day. The price reset every day is just stupid. Originally by: Blacklight 4. Delve had no 10/10 complexes at all ... they were bugged and dropped nothing of value at all to begin with ... the bug was petitioned, the fix to the original bug broke them further in that they were then too valuable ... they were petitioned again Erm, the complexes did get removed a few weeks ago. (after DS made a big wooh-hooo on the forums, and as far as I know he is not a bob member). And when got Delve those complexes? How many months and years ago? What happend in all the time from 'fixing' those complexes so that they generated insane amounts of isk and the recent removal? The whole procedure was not such easy and smooth as you describe it, it stinks quite a lot (not that other things at other alliances don't stink also, but that is not the point here). Conclusion, the op is right that there are lots of things around here. But why bother it? It is all known and doesn't help. Make some constructive posts how to prevent cheating in the future! Think about mechanisms and such. THAT would help much more than repeating known things over and over.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:16:00 - [52] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 12/06/2007 16:00:02 keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! keep on saying it, it will come true! dbp This guys in goonswarm? Nice to see yer taking yer own advice at least "keep on saying it, it will come true!" It cuts both ways you know lol I cant put anything here Im A troublemaker
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:18:00 - [53] Points to his signature ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
Cailais Amarr VITOC	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:19:00 - [54] Look Mom! I'm in a B0dccpHaXspl0it thread!!! - sig designer - eve mail
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:19:00 - [55] Originally by: Blacklight BoB started in the north of Eve with about 800 accounts, it's taken a lot of dedicated and honest gamers two years to grow the organisation to 2800 accounts and holding all that space. That is what I always wonder about. Why don't those honest and hard working people not just throw out cheaters and try to clean/keep clean the name of BoB? Why was there no alliance/leadership cleaning after the t20 incident and all?? A few bad people just spoil all the reputation of BoB and ruin so some good fun of the average BoB member.
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:21:00 - [56] Originally by: Angelonico Good post. Now I get to smile at all the bobbits and fanbois who try to laugh this off. Your reputation is permanently damaged. Get over it. DBP Took a while for the rest of the goons to show up. Writing about damaged reputations and you're in goonswarm... You do realise you got sent off to the damned corner for a ****ty reputation on the forum you derive your name from, right? That's by your peers, imagine what the EVE community thinks of you.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:25:00 - [57] all your thread are belong to BoB Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:25:00 - [58] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Blacklight BoB started in the north of Eve with about 800 accounts, it's taken a lot of dedicated and honest gamers two years to grow the organisation to 2800 accounts and holding all that space. That is what I always wonder about. Why don't those honest and hard working people not just throw out cheaters and try to clean/keep clean the name of BoB? Why was there no alliance/leadership cleaning after the t20 incident and all?? A few bad people just spoil all the reputation of BoB and ruin so some good fun of the average BoB member. I'm sure the BoB Ceo's have taken your words of wisdom into consideration and placed then alongside the rest of your gems of accusations. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:29:00 - [59] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Originally by: Angelonico Good post. Now I get to smile at all the bobbits and fanbois who try to laugh this off. Your reputation is permanently damaged. Get over it. DBP Took a while for the rest of the goons to show up. Writing about damaged reputations and you're in goonswarm... You do realise you got sent off to the damned corner for a ****ty reputation on the forum you derive your name from, right? That's by your peers, imagine what the EVE community thinks of you. Them being the lesser of two evils? Also Known As
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:29:00 - [60] lesser of two evils? Come on infod is way better than the goons Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
DubanFP Caldari Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:32:00 - [61] Edited by: DubanFP on 12/06/2007 18:33:18 Originally by: Tortun Nahme lesser of two evils? Come on infod is way better than the goons Malaria infected mosquitos are better then the Goons. Not like that proves anything about infod. ____________ Dark Shikari> If at first you don't succeed, whine about t20.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:35:00 - [62] 1) Fair point. 2) Bit unprofessional, but not tragic. Also, since when was Magnus CEO?! 3) Thats a bit of a shoddy game mechanic, but BoB are pretty blameless in it. Who wouldn't have done that? 4) RA had as many / more of them than BoB did, so favouritism isn't likely. Just a crappy bug. 5) Don't really kow about that one, but on the whole southern and western comnplexes are far more valuable than northern and eastern ones. 10/10 gurista ones are barely worth the trouble, and there are none in the east, are there? Again, shoddy developing, but not necessarily favouritism. 6) That was a bit of a colossal***** up. But again, favouritism, or just irritating as hell? 7) Don't really know about that one. Didn't IAC invent POS bowling long before BoB? Sucks to be Goons I guess, but we all knew it would be fixed eventually. 8) don't know about that one either. If true, it'd be a definite scandal. But don't know if it is true or not. 9) Not a big deal. CCP have always encouraged metagaming and scamming and such, so TS spying is all part of their modus operandi. --------
Taco Burito	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:38:00 - [63] Who cares? The deck is stacked against any ordinary player. BoB wins 0.0? Bake a pie, eat a pie. They won a horse race against a mule. Sadly, CCP could take a proactive stance: The exploit with the titans and the freighters? Track the money and remove it. Done... This was not meant to work in this manner, sorry Bob, it's for the "good of the game". This has as much of a chance of happening as the "internal affairs" NOT being pets and being embroiled in-game politics
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:40:00 - [64] exploit with titans/freighters? you mean the buisness of them working as intended? Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:43:00 - [65] The OP delivers on being an idiot.
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:43:00 - [66] Originally by: Johana Walker crap Why did I bothered reading it? I want 5 minutes of my life back In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Taco Burito	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:44:00 - [67] Pretty sure I didn't read in the Titan's description "Also serves a valuable role in trading and hauling garbage". Unintended I'm guessing. Then again, I've got a EW badger so wth do I know.
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:45:00 - [68] Originally by: Krugerrand The OP delivers on being an idiot. Which is fairly standard. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:47:00 - [69] Accusations and facts... those are what we all make our decisions by. However, when you weigh the game and its entire company on one side, facts can be skewed. Maybe what we have here are lies and coverups. Time after time I read what CCP posts, I read what players post, I read what Dark Shakari's posts, but those are simply words... and bottom line is who would lie to protect what is most valuable?... CCP would. I'm not saying they are, but they are the one's who have the most to lose here. If words are true or false, I have yet to see real proof to prove either side. CCP is like any celebrity or rich company out there. There will always be people trying to bring them down... same goes for BoB. Its whether both want to stand up and die, or live on their knees. These allegations will always be there until some form of proof is made. For now, someone is obviously lying. This is what bothers the Eve community. Players are upset, because Eve is unlike any other game. You can't just quit. The time and effort here matter so much. If BoB is being accused of dev help, I'll still play... but you'll be damn sure I won't be quiet about the accusations. If proof is made to clear everyone, I'll move on... if lies are uncovered, I'll quit. As for me now... personally, I don't know who to believe.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:49:00 - [70] Originally by: Taco Burito Pretty sure I didn't read in the Titan's description "Also serves a valuable role in trading and hauling garbage". Unintended I'm guessing. Then again, I've got a EW badger so wth do I know. I'm pretty sure you didn't read "Can't and shouldn't serve a valuable role in trading and hauling garbage" in its description either so what exactly are you on about? Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:49:00 - [71] Who the heck is this Dark Shikari, and why the hwll is he so important? Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:50:00 - [72] He is god, bow... NOW Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:51:00 - [73] If you want CCP to remove freighter jump bridge ability, then they can remove the POS jump portal idea too. Or you could, instead of complaining on the forums for once, actually try and kill one? Fine by me, more freighters I can kill 2.2b is nothing, many people make that daily with little risk or effort if they know how, a lot less effort than the 30 odd cynos/freighter pilots needed for that trip.
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:51:00 - [74] Originally by: AegriSomnia Who the heck is this Dark Shikari, and why the hwll is he so important? He's important in the same way Fred Phelps is important. In his own head.
Lord Frost Minmatar The Crystal Method	Posted - 2007.06.12 18:52:00 - [75] Originally by: AegriSomnia Who the heck is this Dark Shikari, and why the hwll is he so important? If you are referring to my post, I was being sarcastic... cuz you can't read anything without his rebuttal somewhere.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:03:00 - [76] Originally by: WhitePhantom His statement is a logical reaction to a very close issue ( the reputation of CCP ) so I see nothing wrong with it. So how is it that big ships can protect smaller ships from the DDD? And you think theres nothing wrong with the "We have a very open dialogue with our players" comment? I cant put anything here Im A troublemaker
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:05:00 - [77] Originally by: Richard Aiel So how is it that big ships can protect smaller ships from the DDD? My guess would be Triage modules. warp drive active \| nature vraie
Alice Cholmondeley Christine.	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:07:00 - [78] Originally by: Lee Bian Originally by: AegriSomnia Who the heck is this Dark Shikari, and why the hwll is he so important? He's important in the same way Fred Phelps is important. In his own head. Found your match in unlimited forum whoring, seems to be the reason why you dislike him, makes it hard for you to spew your propaganda unchallenged.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:09:00 - [79] Edited by: Tortun Nahme on 12/06/2007 19:07:47 Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley hillarious stuff you win the thread! Real turtles tank armor. Real men fly Pink.
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:10:00 - [80] Originally by: Hogan Hulk Can't beat them? Whine, whine, whine and whine some more? Quit the game already. Cant... addicted... plus its more fun to wine and annoy the +CCP +BoB ppl I cant put anything here Im A troublemaker
Richard Aiel Caldari The Funkstars Guild	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:15:00 - [81] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Richard Aiel So how is it that big ships can protect smaller ships from the DDD? My guess would be Triage modules. Well cause back in the Ten Ton Hammer interview thread in General (before it was locked) there were a crapload of ppl trying to figure that one out I cant put anything here Im A troublemaker
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:19:00 - [82] Edited by: Lee Bian on 12/06/2007 19:19:10 Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Found your match in unlimited forum whoring, seems to be the reason why you dislike him, makes it hard for you to spew your propaganda unchallenged. you forgot to mention ycs in your post to make it seem like you understand goons you should probably fix that also community reputation
Isyel Minmatar Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.12 19:42:00 - [83] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Dr Paithos Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute	Posted - 2007.06.12 20:34:00 - [84] Originally by: AegriSomnia Its funny that your CEO doesnt know how many members BoB has. Last I checked you guys were at 2300 and change. Maybe in a week you guys got another 500 members, or maybe you just added more alts, who knows. The others are alt TS spies, duh Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
Drizit Amarr Lonely out here Black Sun Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:05:00 - [85] Yawn.... Can I go play now mom? Johana Walker: You forgot the most vital piece of covertly coded information that shows that CCP are in opposition to BOB. You see, BOB is only one letter short of BLOB and CCP are saying that they are trying to get rid of BLOB warfare. So this proves beyond all reasonable doubt that CCP are trying to get rid of BOB. --
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:45:00 - [86] Edited by: AegriSomnia on 12/06/2007 21:47:01 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Richard Aiel So how is it that big ships can protect smaller ships from the DDD? My guess would be Triage modules. Well cause back in the Ten Ton Hammer interview thread in General (before it was locked) there were a crapload of ppl trying to figure that one out That thread is now unlocked and I highly recommend you visit it. THey did such a nice job cleaning the place, it looks like a whole new thread. Magnus popped into that thread to say he was misquoted on that DD/small ship statement. Its just too bad he didnt try to soften his attack on 4000 paid subscribers. Originally by: Lord Frost Originally by: AegriSomnia Who the heck is this Dark Shikari, and why the hwll is he so important? If you are referring to my post, I was being sarcastic... cuz you can't read anything without his rebuttal somewhere. AHHHHH I get it now. Ive seen other posts with people kissing his buttocks so I just wondered if he was some subculture icon destined for pseudo-fame like Sid Vicious. Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Visionsz Caldari Midas Tycho	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:49:00 - [87] I'm on page one, but to expand more... A Dev was caught cheating in BoB, that will stick forever so DBP your posts are pointless, same as every other BoB members posts within this thread and other threads! Unfortunately you've been tarnished. No matter what actually happened and whether you knew or not is beside the point. 'Tarnished' sad really. I personally can't stand BoB, neither do I like any other Alliance ingame... why? Fighting on the forums, I'd rather 'bring' it ingame, yeah I'm a lone player, but I have fun. That is all.
stoats The Aftermath	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:54:00 - [88] They have said it before, I doubt they will say it again. If you don't like it, leave. Many are taking that advice to heart.
Jinmie	Posted - 2007.06.12 21:58:00 - [89] Edited by: Jinmie on 12/06/2007 21:57:09 Because that's a really good way for this community to progress.
Shinji Seto Minmatar Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:04:00 - [90] 8===D~~~~~@_* right in the eye of the OP for such a dumb post. "Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide.
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.12 22:10:00 - [91] My only complaint is that CCP should allow you to link to your iTunes playlist in game and have a high slot mod that looksl ike a big speaker and therefore be able to pump out your tunes right out of you ship!! That would be sweet!!!! Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Black Omega Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:26:00 - [92] Edited by: Black Omega on 12/06/2007 23:26:16 Originally by: "Rage Against the Machine - Bullet in the Head" No escape from the mass mind rape Play it again Jack, and then rewind the tape. And then play it again and again and again Until your mind is locked in. Believing all the lies they're telling ya Buying all the products they're selling ya They say "jump" and you say "how high?" You brain dead? You got a .. bullet in your head? If you have your own mind, make it up for yourself. If you end up honestly believing that the deck is stacked in favour of BoB, leave Eve. CCP don't favour us, we are just the current tall poppy. If we were favoured, Titans wouldn't be getting balanced (and motherships), my main would have no forum warnings, BoB would be called CCP (it was a funny name if you know the story), we would have been allowed our original alliance logo (I'm still bitter about that), we would have had the first titan, and the first outpost, and no stupid NPC stations would have been added to our home (how can anyone actually think that NPC stations in Delve are a good thing for BoB?) Still, it is easier to believe that BoB are being helped, because it prevents you from having to look inward and see that, basically, you suck. All that negative energy, what a waste. Be constructive and actually put in a concerted effort to wipe BoB off the map. It really could happen if you put aside your bitterness, your selfish desires, and put a little trust in each other. We certainly look forward to it.
Admus Mobius Construct Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.06.12 23:31:00 - [93] Please, stop. What has happened has happened, but CCP has been very open with us since the "T20 incident." CCP's involvement within the game and the community is part of what makes this game great, and different from many other games out there. Instead of complaining about cheating and exploits, perhaps it would be best to move on, and fight the good fight: beat BoB the old-fashioned way, by goin' in their base, and killin' their dudes! ---------------------------------------------------------- "Villains always have antidotes. They're funny that way."
Saladin Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.06.13 00:08:00 - [94] Edited by: Saladin on 13/06/2007 00:12:20 Originally by: Blacklight 3. Those trade routes are available to anyone, the issue is that NPC trade goods can be highly profitable it has nothing to do with BoB at all other than the fact we're smart enough to utilise all the tools CCP has made available to everyone who plays Eve. If you're unhappy with game mechanics then by all means use the correct vehicle to raise your concerns but don't lay the blame for CCP's design decisions at our door. I found this one the most amusing. EvE has always had its profitable trade routes. And everyone tries to keep them under wraps because CCP does what it always does, it nerfs them when people make a lot of money. Trading in Robotics up in Caldari space was rediculously profitable for some time, and I myself made huge amounts of cash running Vitoc between Domain and Curse. It was easy too. The super-highway made travel easy, the LiF fuel booster +4 nanos made my mammoth go 2.5k/sec. Nano's at that stage in the game increased, agility, reduced mass, gave a speed bonus (believe it was +21 m/s) and increased the cargohold (no joke). I would laugh at FA/SA (fighting my alliance at the time) as they tried to stop me on multiple occasions. It was about an hour of effort each night, and made 8000 isk, in pure profit, per cubic meter. Back in those days that was a lot of money and it was not an exploit. But like I said, people make money, and CCP will move in and eventually nerf. I know one system now where someone could potentially make 70 mil a day by filling a freighter in one station and haul the goods to another station in the same system. I'll never say where ----
Visionsz Caldari Midas Tycho	Posted - 2007.06.13 08:10:00 - [95] Originally by: Saladin Trading in Robotics up in Caldari space was rediculously profitable for some time Aye that and Super Conductors, back in the day when ISK was rarer!
Odinegras	Posted - 2007.06.13 08:25:00 - [96] With regard to TS spying, This is out of game software and completely unrelated to eve (so isnt subject to eve's EULA but is subject to its own EULA), so consiquently (SP) if you find who the spy is get there IP address, petition them with your TS server provider and get them band from all TS servers from that supplier and all associated suppliers (as they information share on known hacker IPs) Cross ya finger that they might even get themselves band from there own TS server. Problem is they are hard to catch but there are ways, especially if you can track IP's on your TS servers web interface.
Krugerrand 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.06.13 09:35:00 - [97] TS spying is only an of fence if the pass is obtained in a malicious manner, i.e hacking the TS server/forums containing the information. If you are given this information ingame/via admin granted forum access, then no offense has been committed.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.13 09:48:00 - [98] Originally by: Saladin I know one system now where someone could potentially make 70 mil a day by filling a freighter in one station and haul the goods to another station in the same system. I'll never say where That wouldn't be trading Slaves in Utopia, would it?
Andrue Amarr	Posted - 2007.06.13 10:33:00 - [99] Edited by: Andrue on 13/06/2007 10:33:09 Originally by: Erichk Knaar Originally by: Agent Li To a player who has been in game seven months, I note that even if all of the BoB stories were absolutely 100% true, none of it would have made a bit of difference in my gameplay to this point. Zero. Nada. Zip. As a player of the game for nearly 4 years, I concur... As a nub of 3.5 years () I too concur. I've been out to 0.0 three times (once in autumn of '04 as part of The Pirate Syndicate, once (?early '05?) as an independant friend of BoB before PA pushed them out, then finally the first half of '06 in Bob's home region). Edit:Disclaimer - some of these dates might be wrong I eventually left the third time because it seemed to be a virtual version of RL gang warfare. Pointless combat with a few people taking it too seriously and willing to sacrifice any number of pawns to achieve their overrated goals. It seemed to nearly push one great friend and all round 'cool guy' into leaving the game and my one-time CEO turned into an egomaniac and dictator. The fact it has finally spilled over into RL and turned into player-customers into player-enemies is sad. I think players that are attacking CCP should (as one earlier poster put it) just sod off. It's a game. Have fun. If you can't have fun stop playing. -- (Battle hardened industrialist) [Brackley, UK] *This is not* a signature**
Odinegras	Posted - 2007.06.13 10:35:00 - [100] Originally by: Krugerrand TS spying is only an of fence if the pass is obtained in a malicious manner, i.e hacking the TS server/forums containing the information. If you are given this information ingame/via admin granted forum access, then no offense has been committed. Yes but if there accessing the server without the server renters permission then how does the server renter know where he got the information from. If i report someone to my server supplier under this situation then they will be perma banned. :D Ohh and i believe they are breaking UK (which is where alot of TS servers are based) internet harrasement laws. So just be warned accessing a TS server could actually get you landed in court and fined.... All fun aint it :P
mr passie Minmatar The Renegade Order Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.06.13 10:56:00 - [101] While too much has been going on to see bob as the innocent little victim in this, I do believe all this is way overrated. And even with all this "help" no one should deny that bob pwns anyway. (I Imagine how frustrating this must become for bob, they're achieving what they always threatened/promised to do but CCP gets the credit for it) I chose to fly minnie as it's the underdog race and that way I will live till I die, I'll always fight the biggest and baddest alliance. I Also know the landscape will change again dramatically once bob realises the entire north is blue to each other AGAIN!!!! Yes bob I'm sorry but you failed, you didn't break the north NAP you just changed the name I'm a reversed paranoid schizophrenic. I have voices in my head I just think I don't hear them!
Vladimir Ilych Gradient	Posted - 2007.06.13 10:59:00 - [102] Got as far as page 2 and gave up. This is really dull. You think CCP is bent as a ú9 note then please leave and let the rest of us enjoy the game.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:06:00 - [103] Originally by: Johana Walker To summarize 1) Removed the old news Why dont you just leave? It seems you dont like the game, CCP, or the major powers that be. So leave I can perdict the future...I see this thread locked. And a banstick heading your way 6 days left.... ROSHAN LONGSHOT 03-06-2003 18-06-2007. CCP THIS HAS BEEN A GOOD FOUR YEARS. YOU DONE WELL. BUT ATLAST ALL THINGS MUST COME TO AN END, AND FOR ME ITS TIME TO LEAVE EVE. CLEAR SKIES AND SMOOTH JETS
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:17:00 - [104] Your accusations are baseless and you are quite partial in your judgement TBH. You are drawing completely unlinked facts and chaining them together as you deem fit to try and make CCP look bad. Failing miserably, by the way. You know, one or 2 CCP employees might have crossed the line but I have strong faith in the rest of the company. I do not speak for anyone else but me, but I am under the impression this game community is tired of people like you who try to stir in the pot and and discredit the game we love. _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Gladia Horusthu Gallente Anything Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:17:00 - [105] Edited by: Gladia Horusthu on 13/06/2007 11:19:11 1) Hmmm, so t20 was not pilloried in front of the Eve community against Icelandic law. Too bad. 2) Magnus is NOT CEO he is CMO, big difference. And I'm pretty sure that Magnus is not Hilmar's rl alt account. And I appreciate a corporation that speaks its mind. If CCP feels that Goonswarm as a player group is as tainted as Goonswarm accuses CCP of being, then at least both parties are being open about an antagonistic relationship. Each is probably as correct as the other regarding these accusations. And regarding Blacklight, he sounds MUCH more intelligent than Magnus. But I wonder how much of what Magnus said was actually printed, and how much of what was printed, he actually said. I agree that a publically held corporation such as Blizzard or Sony never would have issued such a statement. But CCP is PRIVATELY HELD and has no duty toward stockholders to suck up to customers to maximize profit. They can say "Screw you" and **** of anyone they care to, and no shareholders will bring a lawsuit or board of directors force leadership change. 3)This trade route has existed for quite some time. Economy of scale in Eve will always win out-- that is part of the point of Eve. 4) This was petitioned on multiple occassions by BoB and other entities themselves. I have seen BoB members in the past kicking up a storm about bugs until they get fixed. 5) I was in Delve pre-Exodus. Nothing exciting there at all. Perhaps they brought Delve up to snuff with other 0.0 regions? 6) Cap limits work both ways, right? If BoB tried to jump their 2000+ members into a system, what would happen? 7) If GS leadership hadn't been so adamently opposed to supercap ships, they would have had some bowling fun themselves prior to this. They could easily have had a couple much earlier than they did. What happened was simply how BoB fixes unlabeled exploits: when they petition something and get a response back that it is OK when it clearly shouldn't be, they then go on a rampage using it endlessly until the devs step in and correct the GMs because everyone on the forums is whining about it, then they stop. Goonswarm got in on the game too late to take advantage of bowling. 8) Every alliance I have known of has had account sharing, and many corporations have had it to some extent, if only for skill training purposes. If anything this points to more effective spying by BoB. Perhaps they petition every violation they see-- but others don't petition them as effectively? Or perhaps BoB doesn't have to rely as much on cheating mechanics, so petitions don't stick. 9) Every equivalent game I have played has featured this. What do I consider equivalent games? Primarily live action role playing games, particularly those involving multiple games in multiple cities. One of my best buds is someone who is ALWAYS something other than how he represents himself, and ALWAYS ends up completely dismantling the group he infiltrates. And this includes forum and listserv infiltration, he is always admitted under false pretenses. And he is widely admired (and hated) for his ability to completely subvert the system against others. Spying has been condoned as part of the Eve environment since the beginning, and anyone with any reasonable interest in Eve can easily find this out through relevant articles and of course this forum.
Gariuys Evil Strangers Inc.	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:20:00 - [106] Originally by: AegriSomnia Edited by: AegriSomnia on 12/06/2007 21:47:01 Originally by: Richard Aiel Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Richard Aiel So how is it that big ships can protect smaller ships from the DDD? My guess would be Triage modules. Well cause back in the Ten Ton Hammer interview thread in General (before it was locked) there were a crapload of ppl trying to figure that one out That thread is now unlocked and I highly recommend you visit it. THey did such a nice job cleaning the place, it looks like a whole new thread. Magnus popped into that thread to say he was misquoted on that DD/small ship statement. Its just too bad he didnt try to soften his attack on 4000 paid subscribers. Originally by: Lord Frost Originally by: AegriSomnia Who the heck is this Dark Shikari, and why the hwll is he so important? If you are referring to my post, I was being sarcastic... cuz you can't read anything without his rebuttal somewhere. AHHHHH I get it now. Ive seen other posts with people kissing his buttocks so I just wondered if he was some subculture icon destined for pseudo-fame like Sid Vicious. He didn't attack 4000 subscribers... he attacked those that attacked his company. There's a difference. And even if he did. I seem to remember a certain group of people accusing the whole of CCP of being cheating bastards, because 1 person made a mistake.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:27:00 - [107] Originally by: Gariuys He didn't attack 4000 subscribers... he attacked those that attacked his company. There's a difference. And even if he did. I seem to remember a certain group of people accusing the whole of CCP of being cheating bastards, because 1 person made a mistake. The whole of CCP is a company which takes people's money on the expectation of providing a service. Those ****ed at them are those giving them money, and rightly.
MasterDecoy Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:33:00 - [108] @ op. shut the ** up already! leave it alone oh, and click on "my account" on the left of your screen. then, click "cancel subscription". you can find that button on the right side. Originally by:** Lavinrac Krad Quit comparing Eve to the John Holmes of MMORPGs
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:34:00 - [109] Originally by: James Duar Originally by: Gariuys He didn't attack 4000 subscribers... he attacked those that attacked his company. There's a difference. And even if he did. I seem to remember a certain group of people accusing the whole of CCP of being cheating bastards, because 1 person made a mistake. The whole of CCP is a company which takes people's money on the expectation of providing a service. Those ****ed at them are those giving them money, and rightly. When the goons DoSed the forums, you, as a paying customer, lost access to them for some time due to their actions. Not due to CCP. Who's to blame there? When the goons spread lies and manipulated facts everywhere (because it was later proven everything they said was untrue) to bring the credibility of the company down... who was to blame? You? CCP? Nah, they were those 4000 guys (or less, because I have my reason to believe many were different chars of the same paid account). _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Kaaii Caldari Equilibrium LLC FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:38:00 - [110] Science and skill, over ignorance and superstition... "Id rather fall beside 10 Lions, than stand with 1000 sheep.." Trading 101
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:40:00 - [111] can i have your stuff?
Gabriel Karade Celtic Anarchy Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.06.13 11:45:00 - [112] ZZZzzzzzz.... Unless you are in the minority, it really doesn't affect you, and this tin-foil hat m'larky has reached absurd proportions. ---------- Video - 'War-Machine'
Coupo Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:31:00 - [113] Edited by: Coupo on 13/06/2007 12:37:35 Originally by: Johana Walker To summarize 4) The introduction of bugged 10/10 complexes on continous respawn on BoB space. 7) POS bowling being ruled as an explint within 24 hours of Goonswarm aquiring their first supercap ship. 8) Rumored disproportionate disciplinary actions taken by GM's, specifically that BoB members were allowed to account share while other alliances had members banned for the same practices. 9) CCP both condones TS spying and allows its employees to join player organizations that make no secret that they engage in this practice (which is illegal). 4) RA Farmed them im afraid, I spent ages trying to kill them for doing it, succeeding only a few times because of logoffski's. 7) POS Bowling has been around for a very very long time to be honest, just not in a capital ship form, BoB did not devise this technique either. Look closer to home if you want to find the culprits. 8) GMs are support staff and as such should get proper training. However making claims that one group account share only is wrong, I know of several well connected Coalition leaders that share accounts regularly. Even on the state of the goonion an admittance was made that the titan pilot for goons would be shared. Even if it was a joke, it was an admittance to the fact. 9) Please, please.. just PLEASE, don't talk crap. Obtaining TS details by asking for them and spying for an internet spaceships game is not illegal in any country (well it might be in sealand). Obtaining the details maliciously like kugutsmen did IS illegal. Quote: Or as one coallition leader put it in a deleted post, everybody is hanging trying to hang on and hope that the game mechanics pendulem swings back against BoB with Rev 2.0. TELL YOUR LEADERS THIS DIDN'T SAVE CYVOKS ASCN AND IT WONT SAVE YOU.. NO MATTER WHAT COMES IN, THE ALLIANCE GETS IT TOO. TRY ORGANIZING YOURSELVES INTO A COHESIVE FIGHTING FORCE NOT AN ARMY MADE UP OF RAG TAG STREET GANGS OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE SAUCY BUTTER SQUAD. Quote: Magnus if you're reading this I have one question for you: are you now or have you ever been a member of BoB? THE CMO IS SIRMOLLE :O Edit: I hate this thread and I hate myself for posting in it.. I Shoot first, ask questions about your veldspar mining technique later
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.06.13 12:41:00 - [114] Originally by: sesanti When the goons DoSed the forums, you, as a paying customer, lost access to them for some time due to their actions. Not due to CCP. Who's to blame there? Because clearly I joined EVE for this wonderful forum community here, with it's even-handed moderation and sensible discourse on a range of topics not found anywhere else on the internet. Originally by: sesanti When the goons spread lies and manipulated facts everywhere (because it was later proven everything they said was untrue) to bring the credibility of the company down... who was to blame? You? CCP? Nothing was proven untrue, CCP just outright said "oh hey, yeah it's a lie, we're calling our elawyers on you!" I hardly expect anyone on these forums to get it, but you might have noticed that in every case the Goons threadnaught the forums it's been precipitated by CCP's happy stance of "Allegations of misconduct!? QUICK, LOCK THE THREAD!" But you know, forums, yeah, totally worth $15 / month it seems. AND THAT IS ALL ANYONE PAYS FOR FROM CCP.
Valrandir Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.06.13 13:47:00 - [115] Originally by: Johana Walker whouaaa You Fail Stop blaming others for your own inadequacies, instead improve yourself and get better. -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2007.06.13 14:21:00 - [116] In response to OP, having not bothered reading more than first page of replies: 1. Old news, it was old news even when the scandal went public. CCP caught him 6 months prior to the publicity. CCP decided not to fire him, but handled it with their own internal disciplinary measures. Do you have any right to question their internal company disciplinary policy? No. None whatsoever. BoB were allowed to keep the spawned BPO's. In principal? Bad, but then again you bandwaggoners can't preach principles without being laughably hypocritical. In practice? Drop in the water for such a rich and powerful alliance, no real effect on gameplay at all. 2. Was it the most professional comment ever? No. Was it accurate? Pretty much. Was it justified? Definitely. Seems like a reasonably sensible and plausible dismissal of the rather ridiculous accusations. It wasn't even the main feature of the interview, it was just a side-note. Of course Goon bandwagon probably haven't even read the rest of it. 3. Anyone with the right resources can do this. Just the fact that you pick out BoB left and right destroyed any potential credibility you might have troll. 4. I believe you're thinking of RA. 5. BoB didn't own Delve when Exodus came out. Don't you reckon BoB might have taken Delve because it is a good region? Of course not, must be a conspiracy, everything BoB do is a conspiracy. 6. Sucky, but that's life. I do remember a certain node crash incident where Goons used exactly that system limit (deliberately, knowing them) to prevent a defense fleet logging in after the node crash. 7. BoB didn't invent POS bowling. They didn't start it. Just nobody takes any notice of other alliances doing it, anyone seeing a conspiracy there? When other alliances exploit, it conveniently goes un-noticed, as soon as BoB do it, there's an uproar. 8. Key word there is rumours. Everyone and his dog has heard rumours about BoB cheat this, BoB hax that. Though to be honest I don't have much faith in GMs. Devs yes, GMs no. 9. Preaching legality about this rubbish. Did one of Goonswarm's Lawyerswarm tell you that? TS spies have been common practice for ages. Whether CCP condones or condemns it makes no difference. It has been happening and will continue to happening. Long story short, those are 9 points which simply demonstrate that you're yet another of the mud-slinging BoB hating forum warriors who are the real plague on this game. BoB are exemplary members of the Eve community, their name has been tarnished by t20, not themselves. BoB and its members have done more for Eve to make it what it is today than you or any of your Forumswarm friends have or ever will.
Brisi Veto.	Posted - 2007.06.13 14:26:00 - [117] Oh God... Well if you're so **ed off, why don't you pack up your ** and get out? We have already heard all this a thousand times and we DON'T CARE ANYMORE. GTFO with your tinfoil asshattery. sigh Resistance is Fertile.
Cadela Fria Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2007.06.13 14:33:00 - [118] Originally by: DarkFenix In response to OP, having not bothered reading more than first page of replies: 1. Old news, it was old news even when the scandal went public. CCP caught him 6 months prior to the publicity. CCP decided not to fire him, but handled it with their own internal disciplinary measures. Do you have any right to question their internal company disciplinary policy? No. None whatsoever. BoB were allowed to keep the spawned BPO's. In principal? Bad, but then again you bandwaggoners can't preach principles without being laughably hypocritical. In practice? Drop in the water for such a rich and powerful alliance, no real effect on gameplay at all. 2. Was it the most professional comment ever? No. Was it accurate? Pretty much. Was it justified? Definitely. Seems like a reasonably sensible and plausible dismissal of the rather ridiculous accusations. It wasn't even the main feature of the interview, it was just a side-note. Of course Goon bandwagon probably haven't even read the rest of it. 3. Anyone with the right resources can do this. Just the fact that you pick out BoB left and right destroyed any potential credibility you might have troll. 4. I believe you're thinking of RA. 5. BoB didn't own Delve when Exodus came out. Don't you reckon BoB might have taken Delve because it is a good region? Of course not, must be a conspiracy, everything BoB do is a conspiracy. 6. Sucky, but that's life. I do remember a certain node crash incident where Goons used exactly that system limit (deliberately, knowing them) to prevent a defense fleet logging in after the node crash. 7. BoB didn't invent POS bowling. They didn't start it. Just nobody takes any notice of other alliances doing it, anyone seeing a conspiracy there? When other alliances exploit, it conveniently goes un-noticed, as soon as BoB do it, there's an uproar. 8. Key word there is rumours. Everyone and his dog has heard rumours about BoB cheat this, BoB hax that. Though to be honest I don't have much faith in GMs. Devs yes, GMs no. 9. Preaching legality about this rubbish. Did one of Goonswarm's Lawyerswarm tell you that? TS spies have been common practice for ages. Whether CCP condones or condemns it makes no difference. It has been happening and will continue to happening. Long story short, those are 9 points which simply demonstrate that you're yet another of the mud-slinging BoB hating forum warriors who are the real plague on this game. BoB are exemplary members of the Eve community, their name has been tarnished by t20, not themselves. BoB and its members have done more for Eve to make it what it is today than you or any of your Forumswarm friends have or ever will. MY HERO!! <3 I agree 100% with you Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right
MasterDecoy Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.06.13 14:58:00 - [119] Originally by: Cadela Fria Originally by: DarkFenix stuff MY HERO!! <3 I agree 100% with you just watch out for the man-love Originally by: Lavinrac Krad Quit comparing Eve to the John Holmes of MMORPGs
Deschenus Maximus Amarr Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2007.06.13 16:04:00 - [120] Johana Walker, from the bottom of my heart: DIE!
Carrelax	Posted - 2007.06.13 16:09:00 - [121] As always, a biased post from a biased player. They list all these events, some are total rubbish and completely unsubstantiated. They forget to mention all the LV woes to the benefit of RAGOON. Nerfs happen. Bugs happen. At the end of the day everybody feels the victim and never even bothers to understand what it is like for the other side. Do you think BoB are seriously favoured by CCP? Sorry but I find that so hard to believe and propaganda like this breeds more contempt. People will read you rpost and think it's true! If you're unhappy, cancel your subscription.
Thesas Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2007.06.13 16:31:00 - [122] My only concern towards CCP is that I do not know what the policy regarding CCP staff and players in game actually is. The answer is conspicuously unstated anyplace on this site. Official statements to date have pointedly omitted addressing those questions. The concern is there by many and it is obvious in the subtle and not so subtle jokes, sarcasm, and allegations in many posts and signatures in these forums. The lack of any official statement is fuel for the perpetuation of topics, like this one, to persist. Give people answers, make a stand on these questions, and be done with it. People will look at it, accept it, or reject it and move on. The alternative is more of these suspicions, innuendos, sarcastic posts, and bad press all over the net. Simply ignoring this is unwise. Every morning while having my coffee, I browse my favored forums and I have come to expect another antagonistic post in the Eve forums aimed at CCP. I have to say that I am disappointed every time because there inevitably is another. It is ludicrous to suggest to these people ôcancel your subscriptionsö because they will. That is not the way to handle anything and to let it reach that point is ridiculous when all that is needed to stop this drama is to debunk the assumptions people are making, or confirm them. Either course would end this, but neither course will perpetuate it because there are always those who enjoy a good drama.
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.13 16:42:00 - [123] Originally by: sesanti When the goons DoSed the forums, you, as a paying customer, lost access to them for some time due to their actions. Not due to CCP. Who's to blame there? When the goons spread lies and manipulated facts everywhere (because it was later proven everything they said was untrue) to bring the credibility of the company down... who was to blame? You? CCP? Nah, they were those 4000 guys (or less, because I have my reason to believe many were different chars of the same paid account). And you probably think all Blacks are one way, and all Whites are another way. That all Muslims are terrorists and all Americans are ingnorant aholes. Another post from someone who doesnt know what a ddos is. Another post from someone so far removed from the situation that he really has not business poppin off at the jib, because you are GROSSLY IGNORANT. You are also a HORRID debater, as evidenced by your useage of absolutes, like "everywhere" and "everything". Case in point: "Goons pread lies and manipulated fact EVERYWHERE". "... proven EVERYTHING they said was untrue." Ummm, t20 was a fact, bro. t20 abused the system, thats a fact, you statement is invalid. Again, t20 was proven true. Devs on MSN was admitted by BoB. Why do you say "EVERYTHING" we said is untrue? Because Magnus said so? In spite of the confessions by t20 AND BoB? Again, your point is totally invalid and you lose. Then the Creme de la Creme. "THOSE 4000 GUYS". I, for one, and EVERYONE I know in my corp, has NOTHING to do with this ENTIRE AFFAIR. NO THREADNAUGHTS, NO DDOS, NO BULL*. SO, if you subtract our number from your figure of 4000 (which is close to 200), we dont really need to do the math, do we? You get the friggin point, I hope. BTW, EVERY corp and alliance has alts, even your precious BoB has alts. So your epiphany makes you look even less intelligent than your typecasting and stereotyping already has. Originally by:** grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Kelta	Posted - 2007.06.13 17:06:00 - [124] Edited by: Kelta on 13/06/2007 17:10:26 Quote: 6) CCP ssystem cap prohibting the D2 support fleet from jump bridging in during the battle of F-T (The support fleet would have brought the system over the unanounced cap). Linkageoldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=499356 Sure someone has already pointed this out but there was never any proof the system was capped, the reason D2 didn't jump all their caps in is because they already knew BOB didn't have a titan building as they had the BPO themselves. Btw if you want to talk about capping a system how about when the LV titan that was destoryed and people we're unable to log back in to save it partly due to certain IAC leadership telling their members to purposely keep logging in to prevent others from getting in sounds exploity to me
Black Omega Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.13 18:11:00 - [125] Edited by: Black Omega on 13/06/2007 18:10:53 Originally by: AegriSomnia You are also a HORRID debater, Whereas, you are clearly a master debater?
AegriSomnia Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.13 18:15:00 - [126] Originally by: Black Omega Edited by: Black Omega on 13/06/2007 18:10:53 Originally by: AegriSomnia You are also a HORRID debater, Whereas, you are clearly a master debater? Very well done Originally by: grayson 34 Thank you for yall's advice, and a special thanks to AegriSomnia for reminding me that there are still ***holes in the world.
Lee Bian Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.06.13 18:41:00 - [127] Originally by: Black Omega Edited by: Black Omega on 13/06/2007 18:10:53 Originally by: AegriSomnia You are also a HORRID debater, Whereas, you are clearly a master debater? the one who smelt it dealt it
Mary Pong	Posted - 2007.06.13 18:49:00 - [128] ADD: Bob leadership and devs on msn? I wonder if my corp / alliance can get some msn names so I can add you to my friends list to discuss "Bugs". Favoritism and Nepitism suck. Bob is the cancer that is killing eve!!! This is Pure Roe**** What we are heading towards is something like the China server. 2 corps controll all 0.0 access. Bob and...
Microsoft Sam Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.06.13 19:52:00 - [129] Originally by: Mary Pong What we are heading towards is something like the China server. 2 corps controll all 0.0 access. Bob and... ... the china server failed because EVERYONE tried to macro and sell the isks to each other..
Qual Gallente Cornexant Research	Posted - 2007.06.13 22:22:00 - [130] Originally by: stoats They have said it before, I doubt they will say it again. If you don't like it, leave. Many are taking that advice to heart. Its been half a year from he T20 revalation, and avarage number of players each day has been rock solid for the whole period. So, yes, people are taking it to heart, like in: We dont give a ****. "The short version: Qual is right." -Papa Smurf
Gneiss Dei Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.06.14 04:07:00 - [131] Edited by: Gneiss Dei on 14/06/2007 04:11:47 Originally by: Angelonico Good post. Now I get to smile at all the bobbits and fanbois who try to laugh this off. Your reputation is permanently damaged. Get over it. Ironic that someone from an organization that says they don't care about their own reputation is worrying about how we think of ours. I'm laughing it off. Originally by: Death Kill Typing 'ok I'll bite' doesnt give you any credabilaty. Insteads you should write : 'I know my alliance is known for cheating and bad behaviour (after all we absorbed ATUK enough said!) but we are really innocent allthough evidence says othwerwise. In the credabilaty bank, BOB's account balance is currently -100. And where did you earn your credibility to be his judge? Before I joined BoB I reserached BL's reputation, blogs, and history. I never would have committed to the effort required to be part of his organization without knowing and reviewing his history, which he lays out for anyone to read and see. What's yours? --- Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
Anehra X-Fire	Posted - 2007.06.14 04:40:00 - [132] Edited by: Anehra on 14/06/2007 04:39:29 Emsigma, post #26. QFT. edit; gah, spelling of his name.
Kylar Renpurs	Posted - 2007.06.14 04:56:00 - [133] Y'know, I have red hair and no friends too, that's why I post on stuff like this. Improve Market Competition!
Empyre Domestic Reform	Posted - 2007.06.14 05:15:00 - [134] sometimes i wish i could reach through my internet connection and choke people.. like the OP. seriously.. it's like complaining about an incident where a sheriff in kansas mistakenly shot someones horse in the late 1800s. my dream is that one day, stupid people will just disappear.. People argue when their personal views are at odds -- Removed Rauths' message stating they removed my empty image tag. -Empyre

Eldo Davip Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.14 13:40:00 - [135] This thread has gone far enough. Thread Locked click ___ Questions/Complaints/Opinions/Bree \| Forum Rules \| Our Website EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER


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