Step up and do better or go home.

Fine if you want to be a lazy fail in stopping incursions. Be my guest. The others however may take a more realistic stance.

I like how incursion runners always think there's a profit motive behind things, though. It's a fascinating insight into a very alien mindset.

Fine if you want to be a lazy fail in stopping incursions. Be my guest. The others however may take a more realistic stance.

This latest interdiction has nothing to do with profit. It's about tear extraction. Nothing more, nothing less.

We all know how incursions work. We know that incursions cannot be completed by the solo pilot with a local tank. Incursions require coordination from FC's, logis, and dps. A failure of one (usually logi) can be catastrophic.

An internet spaceship messiah, decided that incursions pay too much isk, and there is not enough risk involved. That logical fallacy has cascaded into the current mob mentality that is currently called "grief the bears".

What is really unfortunate, is that the messianic complexes in charge of "grief the bears" (the rest are just lemmings) could have used this time and energy to conquer sections of 0.0 and gain very valuable space. Or they could have put together a combined effort to siege a few C5s or C6s. However, that would require real risk...

You know there is an old saying that I think really applies to you. "Whenever a player leaves eve for wow, the average IQ of both games goes up."

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Another great fleet, another great time. Thanks Krissada and Darius III for this great player-driven live event. This is the stuff that makes the game great.

I like that after all the efforts to disrupt high sec incursions that have been employed, simply doing a little bit of PVE proves the most effective.

Ohnoes! . Remove ISK income from all PVE that is removing ISK income from PVE.

Hahahaha this thread is terrible. You should all go take your autism medicine.

In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices...

...If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks...

...The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly...

...incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario...

Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content.

All the while the players in their elitist channels are missing out on Hundreds of Billions of ISK.

I play the game too but when I die I just get sent the isk for a replacement so why would I shoot little red boxes for hours?

Killing a specific NPCs for sole purpose to prevent other people farming isk by killing some other NPCs over and over again; and enjoy their rage about it... That is near textbook definition of griefing.

Please let this thread die.

No no, you're absolutely right, I keep forgetting the goal is EvE isn't to have fun its to come out in the end with the most tears.

No one really plays EvE for the empire building, or the intense dogfighting of small-gang PvP, or the political intrigue, or the chance to run a fake business, or the chance to play with a simulated market. Nobody really enjoys making stuff for other people, or harvesting resources, or exploration, or diplomacy. They're all lying to you.

If you all haven't been out suicide ganking before, you should give it a try. It's what EvE is all about!! Just ask The Mittani. Once you taste sweet pubbie tears, you'll realize that its the deepest and most rewarding activity this MMO has to offer.....and you'd be stupid to play it any other way.

For all you weaklings who actually have to work to pay for losses - what a bunch of idiots. You foolishly grind the endless isk-faucet Incursion system when you could skip the fights and have your alliance leaders milk bottomless moon goo isk-faucets instead.

That way, you don't even have to play the game!! You don't even need skill to achieve the ultimate goal of collecting noob-scalps, its easy!!! You just get your ship blown up, grab a free replacement, and blow it up again. Why anyone would not want to do this is beyond me.

And on a more serious note -

Thank you, my Goon friend, for explaining to us how "autistic" we all are. You saved yourself the hassle of coming up with an insult that wasn't copy-pasted from a Mittens speech, but most importantly you saved us all the hassle of being diagnosed by a real doctor.

Concord pays to you defeat Sanshas raiding forces, to protect the citizens of high sec from slavery, no? How exactly are you defending them by keeping the Mothership alive as long as possible so that you can farm the vanguards?

Please let this thread die.

The bottom line is that all of these incessant arguments about "carebears" vs "griefers" stem from broken mechanics across every area of space.

In the end, those who feel the need to shut down Incursions to prevent "excessive carebear wealth" are doing so because it is currently more fun than whatever game play their home space provides. Fix lowsec, Fix nullsec, and the griefers will fight more interesting wars elsewhere and leave highsec dwellers to their own devices, to collect and polish their shiny ships in peace.

This is no different than the Goon ice interdiction - its really just a symptom of broken nullsec mechanics. If the Goons had wars or challenges that were more entertaining in nullsec, they wouldn't bother with cheap ganks. This is clearly evident from Mitten's recent speech in Delve. Tear collecting is ultimately a filler activitiy.

No matter how vocal these players are on the forums, and no matter how much The Mittani uses the bully pulpit, the bottom line is that the vast majority of EvE players don't sign up to be involved with puppy kicking.

No matter how much it will be continued to be defended as such, griefing is not "what makes EvE awesome". The possibility for it to occur makes EvE unique amongst MMO's, but for most of us, it isn't what makes EvE fun.

Don't get me wrong - there are thousands of players who absolutely signed up to make the weak cry, scream, and wail - and engage in sheer sadistic pleasure wherever it is to be found. But these players are still a minority in the context of the greater game - no matter how much they puff their chests on the forums.

The idea that nullsec powers or those outside of high sec are somehow threatened by an isk faucet in the form of high sec incursions is pretty silly. The very players they chastise for being "risk-adverse" and "cowardly" simply because they live in empire space are not the type of players gaming the economy, or leveraging that accumulated wealth for some kind of massive in-game competitive advantage. Usually, they harm no one. Most of that isk goes to adding even fancier gear to existing blinged out ships.

The fact that players can engage in PvP within an incursion environment (which isn't even the case here - with incursions "griefing" actually just means completing the PvE scenario) is most certainly working-as-intended, as the wealth provided by them was designed to inspire some competitive conflict. It's a stretch to call this "unfair" when players do have mercenary options at their disposal.

Let's just call this what it is - tear collecting is tear collecting, and its not particularly badass as an "endgame" or "sandbox" activity. It's a way to achieve lulz and pass the time, and will disappear as soon as the root causes in nullsec and lowsec are fixed and experienced players decide to worry about their own battles rather than harassing those who simply like to run PvE content.

Please explain to me how moon goo is introducing new isk into the economy like incursions are. I am tired of people not understanding the difference between what is effectively "printing" more isk, versus an activity that is simply causing isk to change hands. How is it that difficult to understand?