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FloppieTheBanjoClown
hotpot inc
791
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Posted - 2012.01.26 22:12:00 -
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Don't forget Lead Farmers man! They were awesome through the whole thing. |
Aren Dar
Griffin Capsuleers
Ad-Astra
10
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Aren Dar wrote:
CCP state that the economy has experienced 'steady' inflation of about 1% a month for the last year and a half. That predates the incursion expansion.
Taken on it's own all that indicates is that at some point in the past the economy shifted from deflation to inflation, and incursions were unrelated to that change.
It indicates that the nerfs done on other features (i.e. insurance, missions) were not enough to counter the ISK faucets of that time, and then a new massive ISK faucet has been planted on top of the already excessive ones. It might not be the starting cause but it is related with the issue as it makes it much worse.
If inflation was 1% both BEFORE and AFTER incursions, how does that show that incursions made things "much worse"? Incursions were only released in November 2010, they are making a claim that goes back to mid-2010.
FWIW I suspect that CCP decided that mild inflation was preferable to deflation - because of the risks of deflationary spirals - and re-balanced the various ISK sources in that direction through 2010. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
353
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Posted - 2012.01.27 11:40:00 -
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1% inflation isnt a bad thing
VOTE SKIPPERMONKEY FOR CSM - TERRIBAD AT EVE BUT GREAT AT FORUMS |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core
Fatal Ascension
366
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Posted - 2012.01.27 12:04:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:1% inflation isnt a bad thing
if its 1% a year, its a good thing, if its 1% quarterly, its not a bad thing, if its 1% monthly, thats a bit much for a healthy economy to take.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation
If you read over that, it doesn't appear that we are anywhere near real world levels to be dangerous, however, it is still fairly high, and since things like rat bounties are increasing with inflation, it is causing it to be much harder for alot of people to pay the bills without devoting more time to eve.
Tho, for those of us who sell plex, its getting better every day 
o/`-á Lord, I want to be a gynecologist..
KY, rubber gloves, and a flashlight.-á o/` |
Scarlet Intelis
Polaris Rising
Controlled Chaos
6
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Posted - 2012.02.03 21:41:00 -
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Good ole Nerf bat needs to hurry up and swing at high sec incursions.  |
Harlot Hohannson
Eye on Wang Poo
31
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Posted - 2012.02.04 12:11:00 -
[786] - Quote
ingreedsions |
AtreusIII
Caldari Elite Force
Independence..
0
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Posted - 2012.02.05 08:36:00 -
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You got my vote there krissada, heres to ya.
One of the few space rednecks. Your welcome! |
Erwin Castle Jakuard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.02.06 14:40:00 -
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Came expecting griefers doing a good job of removing high sec incursions and many tears of bears. Left with economic knowledge and reminiscing high school Econ.
Why are there 3 high sec incursions up? Wtf? If this is your acting now you might just want to biomass... |
Alice Saki
Crytec Enterprises
SRS.
78
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:18:00 -
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So Supporting this! Never Done an Incursion but to **** it up for others, sounds Great!
http://tinyurl.com/RifterDeath
My Rifter Adventure in Null |
Unnamed Enemy
Dark Enron Inc
Bringers of Death.
10
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Posted - 2012.02.06 19:06:00 -
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Sounds like the RMTers are hurting.
Yes people don't need to buy ISK from RMTers anymore - they can just run incursions.
People don't need to run multiple bots to generate decent income - they can just run incursions.
People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk.
So yeah . . . .keep the tears flowing RMTers, or start stockpiling blackbirds.
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Erwin Castle Jakuard
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
15
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Posted - 2012.02.06 21:43:00 -
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Im not a RMT i just like to laugh at carebear tears. and now i also get to laugh at wanna be griefers carebear tears since they are unable to do what they claim.
How many incursions are still up? |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp
AAA Citizens
9
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:42:00 -
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SO the Goons brick and their fellow slaves/pets are still trying to nerf them poor incursions in empire. and you guys want is for everyone to play to your style and move to 0.0 and be a slave to you.
Bunch of idiots here from what i see. i think you all need to find a new life since the only thing Darius III can do is insult degrade and such his fleet when they fail once again....did i say once? oh hell we know its been more then 3 times he failed. |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:43:00 -
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Relativity Holding Corp
AAA Citizens
andski for csm7~ |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp
AAA Citizens
9
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Posted - 2012.02.06 22:54:00 -
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Andski wrote:Relativity Holding Corp
AAA Citizens
So |
Andski
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1947
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Posted - 2012.02.07 00:49:00 -
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horrible poster in a horrible renter alliance
andski for csm7~ |
Lieutenant Brooker
The Dark Space Initiative
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
5
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Posted - 2012.02.14 11:11:00 -
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I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
302
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Posted - 2012.02.15 22:56:00 -
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Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO.
if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl.
high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage
o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk
which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created?
both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
277
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:45:00 -
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Aren Dar wrote:
If inflation was 1% both BEFORE and AFTER incursions, how does that show that incursions made things "much worse"? Incursions were only released in November 2010, they are making a claim that goes back to mid-2010.
FWIW I suspect that CCP decided that mild inflation was preferable to deflation - because of the risks of deflationary spirals - and re-balanced the various ISK sources in that direction through 2010.
Nope, EvE was a mildly deflating economy for a very long time.
Nope, we don't have mild inflation since it's 1% a month not a yar.
Nope, inflation is not preferable, because markets lacking a short sell feature already favor buy and hold vs proper trading.
With a 1% inflation a month all you have to do is to buy an highly liquid item, wait, resell for profit even disregarding trends. This can cause all sort of long term issues.
Unnamed Enemy wrote:Sounds like the RMTers are hurting.
Yes people don't need to buy ISK from RMTers anymore - they can just run incursions.
People don't need to run multiple bots to generate decent income - they can just run incursions.
People with real life money to spend, can just buy isk from CCP, 500 mil for 15 bucks is much better than 350, and there is no risk.
Not really. Those who need to convert PLEX in ISK tend to be active PvPers with not enough time on their hands to grind back the losses or just can't stand hitting bland NPCs.
RMTers and incursion runners are efficient ISK makers, one multi boxing lots of small pay tasks, the others 1-2 boxing a big pay task. Both can and will have ability to sell ISK for real money to the customers above.
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Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core
Fatal Ascension
385
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Posted - 2012.02.16 11:54:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP
You do realize CCP make more money off a plex than a one month sub, right?
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Zmaster BloodLust
BloodLust Enterprises
Apocalypse Now.
5
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Posted - 2012.02.17 02:07:00 -
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Tallian Saotome wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP You do realize CCP make more money off a plex than a one month sub, right?
Dont care.... if ppl actualy plaid subs CCP wouldnt have to resort to low marketing standards as the NEX store... I just hope they dont make EVE a "P2W" game (Pay to Win)...
for God Sakes's i got 2 accounts Sub paid for a year... way cheaper then to "Buy" a plex every month!
Besides the problem here isnt who pays sub or buys PLEX... prob here is Incursions Gaybears tht make tons of ISK and buy PLEX from the market... |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
303
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Posted - 2012.02.18 17:27:00 -
[801] - Quote
Tallian Saotome wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP You do realize CCP make more money off a plex than a one month sub, right?
do you realize ccp can control the plex prices indirectly if they want to?
so question do they?
nex store was extra income with plex converting to items. incursions are doing the same.
cosmic anomalies got nerfed first time because it costed too much $$. Yet incursions are doing the same thing now...
so what has been changed that could infuencing eve the same way > higher plex prices
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core
Fatal Ascension
400
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Posted - 2012.02.19 15:13:00 -
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Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Tallian Saotome wrote:Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. if ccp would make it this easy to farm isk in o.o it would cost them too much $$. we had similar thing once when anomalies jus were buffed. they nerfed it when o.o finaly started to fill up with ppl. high sec player profile: 1 account playing not much & not much isk usage o.o player profile: 2-4 accounts eve addicts & spending alot of isk which of those 2 player profiles will be the most likly fund their activities with plex when the situation hets created? both! yet o.o player had bigger isk soendage & is biggest $$ supplier for CCP You do realize CCP make more money off a plex than a one month sub, right? do you realize ccp can control the plex prices indirectly if they want to? so question do they? nex store was extra income with plex converting to items. incursions are doing the same. cosmic anomalies got nerfed first time because it costed too much $$. Yet incursions are doing the same thing now... so what has been changed that could infuencing eve the same way > higher plex prices
http://zapatopi.net/afdb/
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Lithorn
The Dark Tribe
Against ALL Authorities
0
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Posted - 2012.02.21 13:16:00 -
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Krissada wrote:Before words ---- Yes, it's this thread again. No, it's not just empty words. This was posted many days ago, but I decided to take it down to have some chats with a few selected people before finalizing everything. _____________________ We have come to the conclusion that even though blackbird suicide ganking is a profitable and very fun activity it only limits the Incursion Bear activities by some degree. If we are to end their reign once and for all which has lasted for almost a year it is time we do it now. We would like to announce the creation of a wonderful and most generous channel named: "Grief the Bears" with the sole purpose of taking down all motherships in highsec as soon as they appear and end the incursion just like CCP intended.... We shall put an end to this inhuman farming and abuse of game mechanics. We have to put a gag to this ISK faucet and shake up those bears. If they wanna do incursions they can go to lowsec or nullsec. What do we require and why do we need you?
- 30-40 bodies to effectively fight off the site and finish it.
- Armor buffer fit battleships and a handful subbattleships.
- T2 logistic ships.
- Empty tear jars.
So join us at the channel ----> Grief the Bears and let us finally put an end to all this. Once all the highsec incursions are down they will not respawn for another 24+ hours. When that one will spawn it will only take the bears 4-5 hours to make the mothership appear and then we shall sweep in yet again and finish it. Can you imagine highsec where the bears only get to incursion 15-20 hours for a whole week? I can and it is filled with tears.... PS: Beware that extracting a sufficient amount of tears will result in merc wardecs hired by rich bears. I see this as a side bonus! _______________ Above is the simple plan. We cannot keep on waiting and whining to CCP. We are taking matters into our own hands with or without you. If you want to join, feel free to. If you rather not that is fine too. But if you want to whine and complain because we are stopping the ISK faucet then make sure you are crying into one of our jars. Fly much reckless 
This looks like blah blah blah blah Whine, why cant we pvp moar. This post has nothing to with game mechanics, everything to do with your tears over not enough ganking opportunities. TLDR: Empty words, stay in your comfy npc corp and cry more please. |
Krissada
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
161
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:01:00 -
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People should really stop necroing this thread.
*rolls eyes* |
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
43
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Posted - 2012.02.21 18:45:00 -
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Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO.
lol luv those NULL sec gaybear tears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM&feature=player_embedded
Keep up that crying about Incursions I got my Jar ready to catch more.
I like how you state your ideas as CCP's... rewarding is in the eyes of the beholder & as long as these delicious tears keep comming outa Null Sec eyes I'll be collecting
The waaah Hi Sec isn't making ISK like I want them too under my thumb threads tears don'ttaste salty at all  |
Ammzi
Imperial Guardians
The Aurora Shadow
825
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Posted - 2012.02.21 21:37:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. lol luv those NULL sec gaybear tears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM&feature=player_embeddedKeep up that crying about Incursions I got my Jar ready to catch more. I like how you state your ideas as CCP's... rewarding is in the eyes of the beholder & as long as these delicious tears keep comming outa Null Sec eyes I'll be collecting The waaah Hi Sec isn't making ISK like I want them too under my thumb threads tears don'ttaste salty at all
^this is how TDF (armor channel) FC's behave like.
No wonder TDF is crashing to the ground. 
Oh, do you still ban people for being in the wrong incursion?
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"Hello Im Blue,"
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1255
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Posted - 2012.02.21 22:30:00 -
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Ammzi wrote:DarthNefarius wrote:Lieutenant Brooker wrote:I really hope you can stick it to 'em. What happened to CCP's whole idea of null and low-sec being the most rewarding, as well as dangerous? It's not very balanced with high-sec incursions, is it? Hi-sec gaybears have already made too much ISK off of these, IMO. lol luv those NULL sec gaybear tears http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM&feature=player_embeddedKeep up that crying about Incursions I got my Jar ready to catch more. I like how you state your ideas as CCP's... rewarding is in the eyes of the beholder & as long as these delicious tears keep comming outa Null Sec eyes I'll be collecting The waaah Hi Sec isn't making ISK like I want them too under my thumb threads tears don'ttaste salty at all ^this is how TDF (armor channel) FC's behave like. No wonder TDF is crashing to the ground. Oh, do you still ban people for being in the wrong incursion?
The only "right" incursion is the one where the mom goes down as soon as it appears.
Equipment standing by in case it needs to happen again. o7 |
Phased Veldspar
State War Academy
Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2012.03.07 05:56:00 -
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Nice. I like it.
Best way for CCP can take care of the High Sec Incursions would not be to remove them but simply apply some logic:
The longer an Incursion, the more damage done and the less ISK Concord can issue. Also, Concord should be paying for results: beating back the incursion fleet.
So: Incursions do not reward players with ISK until the Mothership is destroyed. The amount of ISK earned is diminished for each hour the mothership is left up (law of diminishing returns). End result: Incursion Farmers will have to kill the mothership quickly if they intent to receive any decent reward.
Since Low Sec isn't cared for as much by Concord, the law of diminishing returns is not as intense (less damage done that Concord has to fix). Null Sec would have little to no diminishing returns since loss to Concord is minimal, but Concord does not want Sansha to have a greater foothold.
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Molette Nolm
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.07 07:08:00 -
[809] - Quote
Tbh i like the idea very much. Simply because it dosent hurt the carebears as much as the pirate alts. If you run incursions and specially in those VG fleets you quickly over some smalltalk realize that this is the main income for many griefers. So grief the bears you say? I see your idea but call it grief the griefers for once. So +1 from me. |
Slagarian D'Torquville
Slagarian D'Torquville Corporation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.13 20:00:00 -
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You guys (Incursion stoppers) are griping and grieving, just to show off that you can; The way I understand incursions, They act as a tool for nuggets (I.E., non uber thekiller8 headkick wannabees) how to prep for a space war, at (relatively ) low risk.
So many buzzkillers, so little time. |
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