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Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2007.08.17 16:33:00 -
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I'll add to my previous post that I find it worth a chuckle that the Goons have openly gone out of their way to attack CCP, their customers, and their game - and now they are nicely asking for favors.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Erm, I can think of many better reasons to be thankful for never having worked there. But yeah, software development protocols applied to flipping burgers is probably not going to give you the best results.
Actually the thankfully was referring to the Burger King customers, not you
Anyway, any chance you could ask your co-workers about the ETA of a decision?
------------------------------------------------ Murphy's Golden Rule: Whoever has the gold, makes the rules.
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X Apparently we're not on the same page here. We've made no official announcement on whether we're actually doing this for all titan wrecks or not (unlike Steve, who we said we would make a permanent wreck for due to it being the first titan down). Hence I cannot give you any approximated ETA. On subject I can promise you that I will never, ever, ever, give you an ETA on something I'm not the only person involved in. I don't make promises on behalf of my co-workers.
*stifles laughter* ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:17:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco Actually the thankfully was referring to the Burger King customers, not you
I can also think of many better reasons for the customers to be thankful than my snide comments.
Originally by: Malachon Draco Anyway, any chance you could ask your co-workers about the ETA of a decision?
No. We all know that even the most obscured approximated ETA sounds like a sworn oath on our mothers grave to some people, stop trying to trap me.
~ Prism X Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006. |
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Jacque Custeau
Knights of the Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Shenko Minara Shrike's was the first Titan down in a legitimate battle. Killed by struggling pilots against a struggling foe, not popped due to an abuse of game mechanics.
Seems like an historical event to me. vv
Actually, Cyvok's titan was downed perfectly legitimately. Cyvok aggressed, then logged off before the timer ran out. He was then probed, and popped. Any illegitimacy in the destruction of the titan stems from cyvok, if anyone.
Yes we all know the kills were legit. Shrike's though was the first to be killed with the titan pilot logged in - i.e. not killed by cowards. -------------------
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Jonny JoJo
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Jacque Custeau
Originally by: Elmicker
Originally by: Shenko Minara Shrike's was the first Titan down in a legitimate battle. Killed by struggling pilots against a struggling foe, not popped due to an abuse of game mechanics.
Seems like an historical event to me. vv
Actually, Cyvok's titan was downed perfectly legitimately. Cyvok aggressed, then logged off before the timer ran out. He was then probed, and popped. Any illegitimacy in the destruction of the titan stems from cyvok, if anyone.
Yes we all know the kills were legit. Shrike's though was the first to be killed with the titan pilot logged in - i.e. not killed by cowards.
Actually, WOTAKON or however his name was spelled was the first Titan pilot to be online while being killed. So d2 claims that card.
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Alexander Knott
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
No. We all know that even the most obscured approximated ETA sounds like a sworn oath on our mothers grave to some people, stop trying to trap me.
Thanks for the candid response Prism. I'm happy to hear that this is still under consideration. As a member of Goonswarm and a resident of the area where the Shrike's Titan was killed, it would give me great pleasure and sense of "oh cool" to fly by this wreck on a regular basis. I think the reasons why this wreck is as significant as Steve's wreck have been made adequately in this and other threads and hope that you guys see this for the cool and important feature that it is. Nothing draws people into an MMO like being able to make interesting and permanent changes to the landscape -- something that EVE has shown us time and again.
----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..." |
Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.08.17 17:52:00 -
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All Titan wrecks should be permanent monuments. I won't buy the 'lag' or 'obstacle' argument. Remove the Billboards in empire if you think that there is a problem with colliding into things at gates.
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CCP Prism X
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:04:00 -
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The problem, as I see it, is more that we're doing it good and proper or we're not doing it (yeah I know I'm going to get so roasted for this sentance, I spent most of my time in university as a forum warrior, there's nothing you can do to me).
We don't want space to be littered with "A generic titan wreck". Neither do we want to allocate a specific member of our content team in designing a custom made wreck every time a Titan is downed, it might be kosher right now but It's not very scalable for the future, then once that is done someone probably has to manually do stuff to the DB and that will probably be me or Proctor as we don't like people fiddling around with our precious data. We also don't want to make the 'ship killed' procedures more complex by checking if it's a titan every time and then go into some crazy subroutine which custom makes a titan. I could go on with possible issues that need to be considered and fleshed out but I already gave you a good point to BBQ me with and see no point in further self destructive tendencies.
But I agree. It's a very spiffy addition. I just don't have any information to give you other than: "Currently we've neither approved nor denied this feature." and rest assured that when we make a decision there will probably be a topic here discussin it in which someone will post it and there will be much rejoice. Untill then: Patience is a virtue... then again so is chastity
~ Prism X Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006. |
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.17 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X The problem, as I see it, is more that we're doing it good and proper or we're not doing it (yeah I know I'm going to get so roasted for this sentance, I spent most of my time in university as a forum warrior, there's nothing you can do to me).
*salutes*
Quote: We also don't want to make the 'ship killed' procedures more complex by checking if it's a titan every time and then go into some crazy subroutine which custom makes a titan.
Oh ho HO! But why not do that check in the wreck creation method since it's a lower priority (to players) and therefore could more easily afford a couple extra seconds of creation time, eh? GOSH CCP LEARN 2 PROGRAMN! Thanks for all the responses. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:16:00 -
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What? CCP is in league with Burger King to ruin mealtime for the kids of the world, and replace pizza with asparagus!?!?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Silence Duegood I'll add to my previous post that I find it worth a chuckle that the Goons have openly gone out of their way to attack CCP, their customers, and their game - and now they are nicely asking for favors.
What make me chuckle is people with discutable IQ who think that just because the 2 to 5 players involved were in Goonswarm, they can saddle all 4000+ Goons with it. ------------------------------------------
What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs. |
An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Silence Duegood I'll add to my previous post that I find it worth a chuckle that the Goons have openly gone out of their way to attack CCP, their customers, and their game - and now they are nicely asking for favors.
What make me chuckle is people with discutable IQ who think that just because the 2 to 5 players involved were in Goonswarm, they can saddle all 4000+ Goons with it.
Discutable
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:45:00 -
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Edited by: Tarminic on 17/08/2007 19:48:35
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Silence Duegood I'll add to my previous post that I find it worth a chuckle that the Goons have openly gone out of their way to attack CCP, their customers, and their game - and now they are nicely asking for favors.
What make me chuckle is people with discutable IQ who think that just because the 2 to 5 players involved were in Goonswarm, they can saddle all 4000+ Goons with it.
Well, there are the chatlogs of The Mittani saying that he's ordering everyone to post negatively about CCP on Digg and Slashdot, and then laughed about the massive publicity turd CCP would have to deal with as a result, and considering trying to get a goon on CCP's staff to cheat in their favor...
EDIT: But I REALLY don't want to start another debate like that. Please just ignore me. ------------ Whiners - Unite! Tarminic - 26 Million SP in Forum Warfare. |
Dople ganger
Gallente Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.08.17 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X [...] Untill then: Patience is a virtue... then again so is chastity
Chasta Who?
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Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2007.08.17 20:23:00 -
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Edited by: Silence Duegood on 17/08/2007 20:29:20
Originally by: Shadowsword
Originally by: Silence Duegood I'll add to my previous post that I find it worth a chuckle that the Goons have openly gone out of their way to attack CCP, their customers, and their game - and now they are nicely asking for favors.
What make me chuckle is people with discutable IQ who think that just because the 2 to 5 players involved were in Goonswarm, they can saddle all 4000+ Goons with it.
Confucius say, 'When insulting someone's IQ always make sure to use spellcheck before posting.'
Thanks for the laugh.
Edit - Also, the DOS attack involved hundreds of players, and was condoned and supported by countless others. Facts > You
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Fester Addams
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.17 20:33:00 -
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I must say I dont know exacly what was promised as far as titan wrecks go however the impression I got wasa that all titan wrecks were to be given permanent wrecks.
I thought this was a realy good idea as it would meen players would have one more way to make a permanent mark on the game. Its not like anyone expects there to be 200 titans geting popped in the next year, more likelly it will be 5 at most so I dont really se the issue here, get the wrecks in and everyone will be happy.
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.17 23:33:00 -
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There is no need to mark every titan killed with a wreck, but the player base does see the Shrike titan loss as significant enough to deserve a monument. Despite some propaganda, the majority of eve players see this titan kill as a first, since it involved an actual battle. This distinction is irrelevant to CCP, but not to the player base.
Your players want this wreck. It is the site of a major battle that marks the turning point in a major war as well as the first destruction of a titan while piloted. It is significant to the history of New Eve and will be readily visible as it is on a major 0.0 route.
How many Titan wrecks should there be? I don't think you have to worry about the players demanding too many more. While those directly involved in a Titan's death may want a permanent marker, few will be as broadly desired as this one and Steve.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.17 23:35:00 -
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Player Base = The people in this thread?
Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Ivor Gunn
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Posted - 2007.08.17 23:40:00 -
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Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 17/08/2007 23:42:21
Originally by: Hrin Despite some propaganda, the majority of eve players see this titan kill as a first
When the goons and their plebeian followers such as you and the rest of your subservient alliance become the eve majority, this game dies.
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Silence Duegood
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Posted - 2007.08.18 00:08:00 -
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Edited by: Silence Duegood on 18/08/2007 00:08:57
Originally by: Hrin There is no need to mark every titan killed with a wreck, but the player base does see the Shrike titan loss as significant enough to deserve a monument. Despite some propaganda, the majority of eve players see this titan kill as a first, since it involved an actual battle. This distinction is irrelevant to CCP, but not to the player base.
Your players want this wreck. It is the site of a major battle that marks the turning point in a major war as well as the first destruction of a titan while piloted. It is significant to the history of New Eve and will be readily visible as it is on a major 0.0 route.
How many Titan wrecks should there be? I don't think you have to worry about the players demanding too many more. While those directly involved in a Titan's death may want a permanent marker, few will be as broadly desired as this one and Steve.
So, since some folks at CCP and some players decide to overlook the fact you Goons have -
- Openly admitted to griefing people into quitting EVE (and other games). - Generally being so unpleasant that people would rather log off and never come back than deal with you all. - Participating in a massive DOS attack on CCP and their servers.
You all now come before those same people and sugarcoat a demand to have what is not the first Titan destroyed in the game turned into a wreck to honor the same folks that have admitted the above?
What hapopens if it doesn't happen? More DOS attacks? More unpleasantries in the forums? Actual violence? The Goon track record is horrible in this game. The fact that you all come here and ask for anything is utterly ridiculous. CCP should have ended all of you after that DOS.
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Hrin
Minmatar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.08.18 02:39:00 -
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Edited by: Hrin on 18/08/2007 02:39:05
Originally by: Silence Duegood Edited by: Silence Duegood on 18/08/2007 00:08:57
Originally by: Hrin There is no need to mark every titan killed with a wreck, but the player base does see the Shrike titan loss as significant enough to deserve a monument. Despite some propaganda, the majority of eve players see this titan kill as a first, since it involved an actual battle. This distinction is irrelevant to CCP, but not to the player base.
Your players want this wreck. It is the site of a major battle that marks the turning point in a major war as well as the first destruction of a titan while piloted. It is significant to the history of New Eve and will be readily visible as it is on a major 0.0 route.
How many Titan wrecks should there be? I don't think you have to worry about the players demanding too many more. While those directly involved in a Titan's death may want a permanent marker, few will be as broadly desired as this one and Steve.
So, since some folks at CCP and some players decide to overlook the fact you Goons have -
- Openly admitted to griefing people into quitting EVE (and other games). - Generally being so unpleasant that people would rather log off and never come back than deal with you all. - Participating in a massive DOS attack on CCP and their servers.
You all now come before those same people and sugarcoat a demand to have what is not the first Titan destroyed in the game turned into a wreck to honor the same folks that have admitted the above?
What hapopens if it doesn't happen? More DOS attacks? More unpleasantries in the forums? Actual violence? The Goon track record is horrible in this game. The fact that you all come here and ask for anything is utterly ridiculous. CCP should have ended all of you after that DOS.
Everything you say is stupid and has nothing to do with this thread. What a group of players may or may not do in this game or others has nothing to do with this achievement. I see no reason to discuss any CCP/Goon incidents as they are not pertinent.
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Lone Solo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.08.19 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Silence Duegood Edited by: Silence Duegood on 18/08/2007 00:08:57
So, since some folks at CCP and some players decide to overlook the fact you Goons have -
- Openly admitted to griefing people into quitting EVE (and other games).
So has many other pirates and pirate corps, Goons were not the first, they will not be the last and they arent even now the worst.
Thus Goons, if you read this, you still have a ways to go to have griefed most people out of playing EvE and being proud of it.
Not that I think you are activelly trying to.
Quote: - Generally being so unpleasant that people would rather log off and never come back than deal with you all.
So now being plesant is a requirement to play EvE? The EULA specifies where the line is drawn, if you feel they have crossed that line then report it, if not, why are you whining?
After all they play to win, if they can use legal ingame mechanics to make you forfeit then its 1-0 to the Goons.
Personally I have never been verbally abused by a Goon, somthing that will may or may not be corrected if I ever meet one in 0.0 space, however I have had some nasty things said to me by a wide range of non Goons, usually when beating said players fairly. In short being unplesant is far from somthing the Goons are unique at.
Quote: - Participating in a massive DOS attack on CCP and their servers.
You have any evidence of this? if not what you have just done is called libel and is actually a crime in RL.
Setting upp a DOS attacks is a real life crime, this definently includes attacking a company like CCP, claiming that a group of people have done this in writing without evidence is called libel and is also a crime.
Now how do I know you dont have evidence... well if you did then you would have sent this to CCP and they would have had no choise but to ban all the Goons involved. As the Goons are still out there I can only surmise that you are simply repeating inuendos, gossip, slander and other libel.
I followed that whole mess closelly and even CCP eventially admited that Goons were not doing a DOS attack, they were just many individuals that all got upset (and rightly so) at the same time.
Quote: You all now come before those same people and sugarcoat a demand to have what is not the first Titan destroyed in the game turned into a wreck to honor the same folks that have admitted the above?
What hapopens if it doesn't happen? More DOS attacks? More unpleasantries in the forums? Actual violence? The Goon track record is horrible in this game. The fact that you all come here and ask for anything is utterly ridiculous. CCP should have ended all of you after that DOS.
Oooo! more unfounded claims, the Goons may be verbally nasty but I have never heard of any of them going violent.
The only track record I know that the Goons have is that they A) are determined, B) are bad mouths, C) that they have a bad attitude and D) that they aspire to set themselves upp as major players.
This is true for most 0.0 alliances, you cant hold 0.0 space without it, it has been tried and has always failed.
As for the titan kill, it IS an important kill, not because its the first kill (as its not), not because its the first legitimate kill (again it is not) but because its the first kill with an active pilot trying to survive! Ie its the first combat kill.
If you cant see that...
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SpaceMoose
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.20 02:08:00 -
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Edited by: SpaceMoose on 20/08/2007 02:09:02
Originally by: CCP Prism X The problem, as I see it, is more that we're doing it good and proper or we're not doing it (yeah I know I'm going to get so roasted for this sentance, I spent most of my time in university as a forum warrior, there's nothing you can do to me).
We don't want space to be littered with "A generic titan wreck". Neither do we want to allocate a specific member of our content team in designing a custom made wreck every time a Titan is downed, it might be kosher right now but It's not very scalable for the future, then once that is done someone probably has to manually do stuff to the DB and that will probably be me or Proctor as we don't like people fiddling around with our precious data. We also don't want to make the 'ship killed' procedures more complex by checking if it's a titan every time and then go into some crazy subroutine which custom makes a titan. I could go on with possible issues that need to be considered and fleshed out but I already gave you a good point to BBQ me with and see no point in further self destructive tendencies.
But I agree. It's a very spiffy addition. I just don't have any information to give you other than: "Currently we've neither approved nor denied this feature." and rest assured that when we make a decision there will probably be a topic here discussin it in which someone will post it and there will be much rejoice. Untill then: Patience is a virtue... then again so is chastity
What great change happened between the previous titan kills and this one? If you'll notice this quote by sharkbait, He wasted no time in bookmarking this wreck and stating that he would place a permanent site there
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait i personally placed the wreck in it's place. when the titan was destroyed, i logged on and took a bookmark, which i still have now.
i'm thinking of adding some deadspace type area to it and maybe a beacon. but not sure yet, need to talk it over with eris as she is doing the story for it i believe
When the previous titan kills occured wrecks were placed into the game with no questions asked, Of course no one disagreed with it and loved the idea because it's such an obviously good idea and yet when BoB lose a titan all of a sudden the GM's go silent, they don't respond to our CEO and it takes a thread asking why we don't get a wreck in which CCP offers vague explanations as to why there is no wreck and then neither confirm nor deny whether one will ever be put into the game.
Originally by: CCP Prism X Beacon leading to the remains of Steve should be in place after tomorrows DT.
How come it took only one DT for them to get a beacon to a wreck located in the middle of nowhere deep in a safe spot? in a place that will probably never even be visted by more than a handful of people and yet here we are weeks after shrike's downing, still asking why we still don't have shrike's wreck.
Originally by: CCP Prism X The problem, as I see it, is more that we're doing it good and proper or we're not doing it (yeah I know I'm going to get so roasted for this sentance, I spent most of my time in university as a forum warrior, there's nothing you can do to me).
Explain why there was absolutely no hesitations putting in the first titan wrecks then, Again, why is it only now that when goons manage to kill a titan CCP seems incredibly unwilling to even acknowledge the loss and seemingly degrade its importance by refusing to place a wreck.
It couldn't possibly be due to the fact that the people responsible for placing titan wrecks into the game were also the ones invested in it right? I find it hilarious that the bitterness CCP seems to hold for Goonswarm and their allies and the favoritism which everyone has been proclaiming as the downfall of eve has still yet to cease.
I ask again, Please, without trying to waffle and hand wave, Prism, What exactly is different between these titan kills, why are the first two more important than the third?
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Bein Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.20 02:18:00 -
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spacemoose stop posting |
BritishInvader
Amarr Leela's Lamas
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Posted - 2007.08.20 03:27:00 -
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Goonswarm in general stop existing. Even SA hates you, go away. -----+----- Mailing List: Eve Art Store Orders Channel: Eve Art Store
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.08.20 13:11:00 -
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WOTANKN was logged in for his Titan loss. He logged in perhaps halfway through armor or so. He then logged back out. To this day, I am absolutely baffled as to why he didn't get ganged up and cyno out, given that bubbles, in those days, didn't stop jump drive activation. Instead, he elected to log back out.
CYVOK doomsday'd and logged off too soon afterwards. As far as I know, no can-flagging was involved, but if it was, it was pointless, since he was independently aggro'd. Keep in mind that his loss happened right after the release of the "new" probe scheme; in the old one, probing someone down at a deep safespot would have taken many, many minutes. CYVOK may have had that in mind when he elected to log off early. He was aware that he was under attack, but was unable to log back in.
Coincidentally, since we seem to have a number of devs in here, could you fix a small grammatical mistake on the Steve wreck? It should read "capsuleer-owned".
Lastly, what the hell is up with the all-caps names? Both CYVOK and WOTANKN. Shenanigans!
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Goonie Alt
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Posted - 2007.08.20 13:24:00 -
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Imbeciles citing goons' attacks on CCP, next time BoB or any of it's corps asks for a favor, you must cite T20 or forever be marked as hypocrites.
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fire 59
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.20 13:39:00 -
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They either will or they won't, getting all angry and flexing / veiled threats isn't going to make them reconsider faster or anything. Chill
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Goonie Alt
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Posted - 2007.08.20 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59 Coalition propoganda said my morale backbone was broken on the internets so it must be true :(
Sorry, but that's impossible, you didn't have a backbone in the first place.
It's also nice to know that the coalition took the propaganda machine title from BoB.
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