Originally by: Aduna

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just one more bit of evidence, if any was needed, that the devs favor BoB beyond all others. so why not remove THIER titan wreck that they sit around circle-jerking all over and make it even? why didn't Shrike's titan wreck stay? oh, because it was Goons that did it and it was a BoB titan.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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As to why we cannot do it manually it's because of the slippery slope. At some point we might not be able to allocate resources to it instantly, at least it's prudent to assume so. In that case we might have a delicate situation on our hands, say the Goons having shot down 5 BoB titans in an epic battle which leaves the Band of Brothers decimated. Any hesitation on our behalf to manually make these monuments might be interpreted the wrong way, so we're not doing that.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Right, I managed to get Hammerhead and Sharkbait to sit down and discuss this. As promised here is the final decision:

We will not be creating a wreck for Shrieks titan nor will we be persisting every titan wreck as a monument.
Now I know there will be a lot of unhappy campers posting here because we all agree that the idea is really cool (that includes us Devs). Sadly we can't do all the cool things we want (like changing one asteroid belt into a smiley face to coerce an assassination out of Virtuozzo.. it would have been funny!) and we simply found too many potential practical problems with automating this and doing this manually is simply not an option as we'll soon have to put a stop to it and then somebody will feel shafted. This way there is no slippery slope arguable so bruised egos should be minimal.

Sorry Goons, I agree this wreck would probably be seen by more people but I also agree with the impracticality of automating it and that we can't be doing this manually so it is best to put a stop to it now.

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Originally by: Apocryphai

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You know what, I hate BoB, I hate all the cheating stuff that went on, I hate the whole episode involving t20 etc.

But you goons are worse.

Over and over again you ***** and whine and cry and gripe. Go away, shut up, get out of EVE, you cheapen everything you touch and you did NOTHING to deserve a monument unless it was a monument to stupidity.

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Originally by: FarmerJimbo

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This doesn't pass the smell test and I think you know it. If you are worried about the "slippery slope" just say Shrike's will be the last one. You've proven you can manually add the wrecks (Steve's). You've implied that adding the other two aren't the problem. You've stated that you're worried about future wrecks, not the current ones. So if that's the problem, just add the other two and end your slippery slope there. Am I missing something?

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Originally by: HydroSan

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Right, I managed to get Hammerhead and Sharkbait to sit down and discuss this. As promised here is the final decision:

We will not be creating a wreck for Shrieks titan nor will we be persisting every titan wreck as a monument.
Now I know there will be a lot of unhappy campers posting here because we all agree that the idea is really cool (that includes us Devs). Sadly we can't do all the cool things we want (like changing one asteroid belt into a smiley face to coerce an assassination out of Virtuozzo.. it would have been funny!) and we simply found too many potential practical problems with automating this and doing this manually is simply not an option as we'll soon have to put a stop to it and then somebody will feel shafted. This way there is no slippery slope arguable so bruised egos should be minimal.

Sorry Goons, I agree this wreck would probably be seen by more people but I also agree with the impracticality of automating it and that we can't be doing this manually so it is best to put a stop to it now.

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Out of all the ships to go down in EVE, there have only been three Titans. Out of all the systems in EVE, only a fraction of them will see anyone enter local, or any kind of real combat. You're actually worried about ten permanent monuments "cluttering" space? There is so much empty, useless space in EVE, and something like a Titan wreck for the largest ships destroyed would liven it up a little bit.

In almost a year of Titans being actively used, only three have died. Are you REALLY worried about it becoming a problem, especially after the Titan nerf?

This seems like a serious copout. Nobody is going to kill ten titans in a day and you're seriously misinformed if you think it's going to happen.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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That's just the difference between being on a relatively shallow part of the slippery slope vs. a steep part of the slippery slope. Why don't they just stay off of the damn slope in the first place?

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Originally by: Nevada Tan

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Oh hey, I've thought of an even better solution: Why not just have one memorial, but have it for the first titan to get exploded in actual combat with a pilot at the helm?

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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Some misconceptions here:
There is only one titan wreck. It's the remains of Steve, the first titan to go down in our universe. If this is wrong please point me to the other one.

Also I'm not sure what DB dude you're referring to as me and Proctor are the only DB dudes who've got any TQ presence and I sure as Sally wasn't there.

As to why we cannot do it manually it's because of the slippery slope. At some point we might not be able to allocate resources to it instantly, at least it's prudent to assume so. In that case we might have a delicate situation on our hands, say the Goons having shot down 5 BoB titans in an epic battle which leaves the Band of Brothers decimated. Any hesitation on our behalf to manually make these monuments might be interpreted the wrong way, so we're not doing that.

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Originally by: Angelus Damelon

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But the whole reason Steve's wreck is considered cool is because it was a player event that has left a permanent in-game mark. But space is big and boring in Eve; why put in a single player event landmark if you had no plans to ever do it again because it's too much work?

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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As to why we cannot do it manually it's because of the slippery slope. At some point we might not be able to allocate resources to it instantly, at least it's prudent to assume so. In that case we might have a delicate situation on our hands, say the Goons having shot down 5 BoB titans in an epic battle which leaves the Band of Brothers decimated. Any hesitation on our behalf to manually make these monuments might be interpreted the wrong way, so we're not doing that.

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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Originally by: Angelus Damelon

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But the whole reason Steve's wreck is considered cool is because it was a player event that has left a permanent in-game mark. But space is big and boring in Eve; why put in a single player event landmark if you had no plans to ever do it again because it's too much work?

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Steve's wreck was the 1st titan kill, thats the reason it's been giving a landmark. now there is alot to think about if we added the feature where every titan kill left a landmark.

titan dies at a moon, the landmark would prevent starbases being placed at the moon and would have to be removed.

titan dies at a gate and blocks a warp in point or something.

titan dies at a station and blocks the undocking path or warp in.

just these 3 examples will cause extra work for the GM's because of the petitions and me because i would end up having to login and remove them. it would also upset some people because the titan they just killed had it's wreck removed. or people who lost there titan had the wreck removed.

there could be a code change to get round all of these problems but that requires some design then coding and tbh there is much more important things that need addressing.

another problem i see is that titans might not be as rare as planned, i can already see 50 vs 50 titan fights happening. thats alot of wrecks left in space, altho it would look cool tbh having a titan battle field full of wrecks. but i know it would result in me having to clean it up

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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i can already see 50 vs 50 titan fights happening. thats alot of wrecks left in space, altho it would look cool tbh having a titan battle field full of wrecks. but i know it would result in me having to clean it up

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Originally by: Ouroboron

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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i can already see 50 vs 50 titan fights happening. thats alot of wrecks left in space, altho it would look cool tbh having a titan battle field full of wrecks. but i know it would result in me having to clean it up

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No more wreks because of stoopid T1 goonie titan blobs tbqh .

Wait, what? How can you have 50 vs 50 Titan fights, with < 10 total Titans in game? Does math work differently in Iceland, or am I missing something?

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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there could be a code change to get round all of these problems but that requires some design then coding and tbh there is much more important things that need addressing.

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Originally by: Nevada Tan

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Oh hey, I've thought of an even better solution: Why not just have one memorial, but have it for the first titan to get exploded in actual combat with a pilot at the helm?

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Originally by: Vahl

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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there could be a code change to get round all of these problems but that requires some design then coding and tbh there is much more important things that need addressing.

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Guys, they have more important stuff like HEAT to work on.

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Originally by: Tarminic

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Edited by: Tarminic on 20/08/2007 22:00:05

Originally by: Vahl

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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there could be a code change to get round all of these problems but that requires some design then coding and tbh there is much more important things that need addressing.

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Guys, they have more important stuff like HEAT to work on.

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Hah! That's funny! By suggesting that heat, a controversial feature many players consider unnecessary, to be what Sharkbait was referring to, you are attempting to reduce the credibility of his argument and suggest that there are indeed not more important things! Very clever of you, young goon!

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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another problem i see is that titans might not be as rare as planned, i can already see 50 vs 50 titan fights happening. thats alot of wrecks left in space, altho it would look cool tbh having a titan battle field full of wrecks. but i know it would result in me having to clean it up

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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Steve's wreck was the 1st titan kill, thats the reason it's been giving a landmark. now there is alot to think about if we added the feature where every titan kill left a landmark.

titan dies at a moon, the landmark would prevent starbases being placed at the moon and would have to be removed.

titan dies at a gate and blocks a warp in point or something.

titan dies at a station and blocks the undocking path or warp in.

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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another problem i see is that titans might not be as rare as planned, i can already see 50 vs 50 titan fights happening. thats alot of wrecks left in space, altho it would look cool tbh having a titan battle field full of wrecks. but i know it would result in me having to clean it up

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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Originally by: Angelus Damelon

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But the whole reason Steve's wreck is considered cool is because it was a player event that has left a permanent in-game mark. But space is big and boring in Eve; why put in a single player event landmark if you had no plans to ever do it again because it's too much work?

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another problem i see is that titans might not be as rare as planned, i can already see 50 vs 50 titan fights happening. thats alot of wrecks left in space, altho it would look cool tbh having a titan battle field full of wrecks. but i know it would result in me having to clean it up

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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another problem i see is that titans might not be as rare as planned, i can already see 50 vs 50 titan fights happening. thats alot of wrecks left in space, altho it would look cool tbh having a titan battle field full of wrecks. but i know it would result in me having to clean it up

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Originally by: Angelus Damelon

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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Steve's wreck was the 1st titan kill, thats the reason it's been giving a landmark. now there is alot to think about if we added the feature where every titan kill left a landmark.

titan dies at a moon, the landmark would prevent starbases being placed at the moon and would have to be removed.

titan dies at a gate and blocks a warp in point or something.

titan dies at a station and blocks the undocking path or warp in.

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People have already suggested solutions to this. If the wrecks are added manually, when time permits -- say, at major content patches -- then you can simply move them to the edges of the grid to avoid causing these problems and add a bit of RP junk about space drift.

Or you all could simply DOS attack CCP.
Or you could personally insult the Devs.
Or spam the forums.
Or grief people till they leave the game, in turn financially injuring CCP.

Ahh, nevermind! It's all been done.

Originally by: Silence Duegood

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Edited by: Silence Duegood on 20/08/2007 22:25:29

Originally by: Angelus Damelon

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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait

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Steve's wreck was the 1st titan kill, thats the reason it's been giving a landmark. now there is alot to think about if we added the feature where every titan kill left a landmark.

titan dies at a moon, the landmark would prevent starbases being placed at the moon and would have to be removed.

titan dies at a gate and blocks a warp in point or something.

titan dies at a station and blocks the undocking path or warp in.

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People have already suggested solutions to this. If the wrecks are added manually, when time permits -- say, at major content patches -- then you can simply move them to the edges of the grid to avoid causing these problems and add a bit of RP junk about space drift.

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Or you all could simply DOS attack CCP.
Or you could personally insult the Devs.
Or spam the forums.
Or grief people till they leave the game, in turn financially injuring CCP.

Ahh, nevermind! It's all been done.

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Originally by: Apocryphai

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You know what, I hate BoB, I hate all the cheating stuff that went on, I hate the whole episode involving t20 etc.

But you goons are worse.

Over and over again you ***** and whine and cry and gripe. Go away, shut up, get out of EVE, you cheapen everything you touch and you did NOTHING to deserve a monument unless it was a monument to stupidity.

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Originally by: Dramaticus

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I can taste your tears and they are delicious.

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