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SSgt Sniper Gallente MAIDS	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:53:00 - [181] Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 20/08/2007 13:54:33 Originally by: fire 59 The first titan kill was unique, all others are runner ups. A beacon with a brief description would be pretty cool so folks can warp to it and have a nose. Propaganda, nothing more. I'd be far more interested in seeing Shrike's wreck than I ever would the ASCN or D2 wrecks. (By the way, the D2 wreck is there according to friends, as devs in local seconds afterwards said it would be, yet no love for the swarm) ASCN's went down due to silliness, D2's went down to to lame tactics that CCP nonetheless doesn't prohibit. Shrike's went down through teamwork, tons of sacrifice, and tenacity. That's the wreck I wanna see. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.
James Duar Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys	Posted - 2007.08.20 13:59:00 - [182] It's also on a heavily traveled gate where we'll get to see it all the time. That to me is the big attraction.

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.08.20 16:59:00 - [183] Right, I managed to get Hammerhead and Sharkbait to sit down and discuss this. As promised here is the final decision: We will not be creating a wreck for Shrieks titan nor will we be persisting every titan wreck as a monument. Now I know there will be a lot of unhappy campers posting here because we all agree that the idea is really cool (that includes us Devs). Sadly we can't do all the cool things we want (like changing one asteroid belt into a smiley face to coerce an assassination out of Virtuozzo.. it would have been funny!) and we simply found too many potential practical problems with automating this and doing this manually is simply not an option as we'll soon have to put a stop to it and then somebody will feel shafted. This way there is no slippery slope arguable so bruised egos should be minimal. Sorry Goons, I agree this wreck would probably be seen by more people but I also agree with the impracticality of automating it and that we can't be doing this manually so it is best to put a stop to it now. ~ Prism X Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006.

Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:25:00 - [184] just one more bit of evidence, if any was needed, that the devs favor BoB beyond all others. so why not remove THIER titan wreck that they sit around circle-jerking all over and make it even? why didn't Shrike's titan wreck stay? oh, because it was Goons that did it and it was a BoB titan. unreal. Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew
Ivor Gunn	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:28:00 - [185] Or because it was the third titan killed?
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:29:00 - [186] Originally by: Aduna just one more bit of evidence, if any was needed, that the devs favor BoB beyond all others. so why not remove THIER titan wreck that they sit around circle-jerking all over and make it even? why didn't Shrike's titan wreck stay? oh, because it was Goons that did it and it was a BoB titan. unreal. give it up already with your "BoB has man love from the Devs" crusade. It didnt work the first time, actually i believe you guys made blundering fools of yourselves IIRC. /me thinks this thread could use some serious moderation and lockage. ________________________________ High Sec PvP
Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:31:00 - [187] Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Aduna just one more bit of evidence, if any was needed, that the devs favor BoB beyond all others. so why not remove THIER titan wreck that they sit around circle-jerking all over and make it even? why didn't Shrike's titan wreck stay? oh, because it was Goons that did it and it was a BoB titan. unreal. give it up already with your "BoB has man love from the Devs" crusade. It didnt work the first time, actually i believe you guys made blundering fools of yourselves IIRC. /me thinks this thread could use some serious moderation and lockage. /me cues up the t20 T2 BPO scandal. need any others? Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:33:00 - [188] And here we have Aduna proving exactly why this decision was arrived on. We persisted the first titan to go down. No other titans will ever be persisted regardless of their owner and/or aggressor. If we were to persist yours as well we can no longer cite this rule as we'd already have gone behind our words. Look up 'the slippery slope' argument and you might understand what I'm on about... or you can cling to your tinfoil-hattery. Whatever floats your boat. ~ Prism X Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006.

Simon Barrow Basgerin Hounds	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:33:00 - [189] Originally by: Aduna Originally by: Major Stallion Originally by: Aduna just one more bit of evidence, if any was needed, that the devs favor BoB beyond all others. so why not remove THIER titan wreck that they sit around circle-jerking all over and make it even? why didn't Shrike's titan wreck stay? oh, because it was Goons that did it and it was a BoB titan. unreal. give it up already with your "BoB has man love from the Devs" crusade. It didnt work the first time, actually i believe you guys made blundering fools of yourselves IIRC. /me thinks this thread could use some serious moderation and lockage. /me cues up the t20 T2 BPO scandal. need any others? oh my god, give it a rest, we are all sick of this crap.. Third titan killed needs a wreck so you can whack of in a circle as well? second and third place get silver and bronze medals while the 1st place gets a trophy and a medal. How is that for favouritsm?
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:36:00 - [190] Theyve admitted to that, but all other attempts of Goonswarm to connect BoB to the Devs has faltered. Its old, stale, boring, and a pathetic argument now. How nice of you to leave out the infamous DDoS attack a couple months back performed by your cute little outfit...seriously, let it go already. Theyve admitted their downfall with the whole t20 thing, but for you to continue to harp on it after the necessary investigations were run just makes you look desperate. ________________________________ High Sec PvP
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:36:00 - [191] So, no being able to view the wreck of Sir Molle's folly. Exactly how many Titan's do they expect to have to do for in the future? More than 1 a month? You have 50+(?) mission writers but can't find the time to allocate 1 person to do it. Heck, you don't have to put it at the gate, it could have "drifted in space to 2 grids away" and be marked with a beacon if they were worried about lag. This WAS a great way for both the losers and winners of an epic battle (well, not including the BoB kills, but the Titan dieing was a war defining moment for ACEN and sealed their fate for the BoB win, and they should be able to see their victory too). If CCP wants to be fair, they can remove the previous Titan kills, but we all know they won't. Probably because removing 2 Titan wrecks would require "automation". This is a missing of a great opportunity for CCP to show even the ghost of player old empires can be seen, but you've instead decided the work of 1 CCP employee a few hours is worth more than showcasing the history and epic size of EVE.
Major Stallion Four Rings D-L	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:37:00 - [192] Originally by: CCP Prism X And here we have Aduna proving exactly why this decision was arrived on. We persisted the first titan to go down. No other titans will ever be persisted regardless of their owner and/or aggressor. If we were to persist yours as well we can no longer cite this rule as we'd already have gone behind our words. Look up 'the slippery slope' argument and you might understand what I'm on about... or you can cling to your tinfoil-hattery. Whatever floats your boat. ROFLMFAO, burned by a dev....i think it'd be wise for the goonies to stfu now =) ________________________________ High Sec PvP
Aduna Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:42:00 - [193] Originally by: CCP Prism X And here we have Aduna proving exactly why this decision was arrived on. We persisted the first titan to go down. No other titans will ever be persisted regardless of their owner and/or aggressor. If we were to persist yours as well we can no longer cite this rule as we'd already have gone behind our words. Look up 'the slippery slope' argument and you might understand what I'm on about... or you can cling to your tinfoil-hattery. Whatever floats your boat. Prism and CCP, my tinfoil-hattery was not always as such. i loved this game (still do), and i greatly enjoy playing and reading up on the political landscape. however, i have been burned in my life by cheats before and in Eve i was happy to have found a place where everyone was equal in terms of being able to fight, no unfair advantages. my hattery started only after CCP had come out and admitted on multiple instances that they had been favoring BoB over any other person/group. THAT is the source and reason why i have the hattery, not for any hatred of the devs or the game. unfortunately for me (and i suspect still a significant amount of the playerbase), that suspicion will always be there so that when something like the Shrike titan wreck issue comes up, people will automatically assume it's favoritism. however, CCP and the devs have worked on taking steps to try to alleviate this sigma that has popped up and i recognize this. i just want to say it will take awhile for things to go totally back to normal with the players as it was before. sadly, that is not now, so that is why i scream favoritism, because to me it still does have that taint to it. i still look forward to the day when something can be done against any enemy of BoB and my first thought will not be a tinfoil-hat response. Originally by: James 315 Goon logistics may have the most efficient manner of griefing BoB that there is:every Goon tower in a BoB system is a punch in BoB's stomach and a middle finger to Dianabolic's crew
Corey Grim FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.08.20 17:48:00 - [194] Edited by: Corey Grim on 20/08/2007 17:47:55 Originally by: Aduna Prism and CCP, my tinfoil-hattery was not always as such. i loved this game (still do), and i greatly enjoy playing and reading up on the political landscape. however, i have been burned in my life by cheats before and in Eve i was happy to have found a place where everyone was equal in terms of being able to fight, no unfair advantages. my hattery started only after CCP had come out and admitted on multiple instances that they had been favoring BoB over any other person/group. THAT is the source and reason why i have the hattery, not for any hatred of the devs or the game. unfortunately for me (and i suspect still a significant amount of the playerbase), that suspicion will always be there so that when something like the Shrike titan wreck issue comes up, people will automatically assume it's favoritism. however, CCP and the devs have worked on taking steps to try to alleviate this sigma that has popped up and i recognize this. i just want to say it will take awhile for things to go totally back to normal with the players as it was before. sadly, that is not now, so that is why i scream favoritism, because to me it still does have that taint to it. i still look forward to the day when something can be done against any enemy of BoB and my first thought will not be a tinfoil-hat response. Get over it dude, seriously. CCP has done everything they can to ensure it doesnt happen again and u should be happy about it and not whining like a girl in forums every fricking time something doesnt go YOUR way. My Latest Video:Kaamos
LUNAR KRUSH	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:34:00 - [195] Edited by: LUNAR KRUSH on 20/08/2007 18:37:03 *counts goon posts . . . you guys need the morale boost that bad?. oh and whaaa whaaaa we attacked ccp ,tried to discredit them and ruin their buisness, now they won't give us new shiny things whaaaa whaaa edit: oh wait I forgot. . .It was a holiday weekend that the threadnaught was scheduled for. . ..so ccp wasn't at thier computers so it don't count :)
Simon Barrow Basgerin Hounds	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:37:00 - [196] Originally by: Aduna Originally by: CCP Prism X And here we have Aduna proving exactly why this decision was arrived on. We persisted the first titan to go down. No other titans will ever be persisted regardless of their owner and/or aggressor. If we were to persist yours as well we can no longer cite this rule as we'd already have gone behind our words. Look up 'the slippery slope' argument and you might understand what I'm on about... or you can cling to your tinfoil-hattery. Whatever floats your boat. Prism and CCP, my tinfoil-hattery was not always as such. i loved this game (still do), and i greatly enjoy playing and reading up on the political landscape. however, i have been burned in my life by cheats before and in Eve i was happy to have found a place where everyone was equal in terms of being able to fight, no unfair advantages. my hattery started only after CCP had come out and admitted on multiple instances that they had been favoring BoB over any other person/group. THAT is the source and reason why i have the hattery, not for any hatred of the devs or the game. unfortunately for me (and i suspect still a significant amount of the playerbase), that suspicion will always be there so that when something like the Shrike titan wreck issue comes up, people will automatically assume it's favoritism. however, CCP and the devs have worked on taking steps to try to alleviate this sigma that has popped up and i recognize this. i just want to say it will take awhile for things to go totally back to normal with the players as it was before. sadly, that is not now, so that is why i scream favoritism, because to me it still does have that taint to it. i still look forward to the day when something can be done against any enemy of BoB and my first thought will not be a tinfoil-hat response. I am sorry for overreacting CCP, keep up the good work. completed it for you.
Nohl Faugh a Ballagh	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:48:00 - [197] Originally by: CCP Prism X ... and doing this manually is simply not an option... Curious, why not? It's not like these things are dropping daily.
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.08.20 18:55:00 - [198] so why was the db dude so fast to appear on the second titan kill to make bookmarks for CCP? . you'll never jump alone
Double Stuff Failure Cascade	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:15:00 - [199] Originally by: Xthril Ranger so why was the db dude so fast to appear on the second titan kill to make bookmarks for CCP? BoB chatted him up on MSN of course. Or alternatively, he was in the gang as his BoB char and just logged in as his other after the fight to congratulate in local. Either way its typical behavior and I doubt anyone is really surprised with the outcome of this thread.

CCP Prism X	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:20:00 - [200] Some misconceptions here: There is only one titan wreck. It's the remains of Steve, the first titan to go down in our universe. If this is wrong please point me to the other one. Also I'm not sure what DB dude you're referring to as me and Proctor are the only DB dudes who've got any TQ presence and I sure as Sally wasn't there. As to why we cannot do it manually it's because of the slippery slope. At some point we might not be able to allocate resources to it instantly, at least it's prudent to assume so. In that case we might have a delicate situation on our hands, say the Goons having shot down 5 BoB titans in an epic battle which leaves the Band of Brothers decimated. Any hesitation on our behalf to manually make these monuments might be interpreted the wrong way, so we're not doing that. ~ Prism X Relocating your character to a cozy, giant secure container since 2006.

BritishInvader Amarr Leela's Lamas	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:22:00 - [201] Dear Goonswarm: Please go away to your own MMO hosted on your own servers and your own private website. SA doesn't want you, we don't want you, and you're just a blight upon the internet. Christ, I'd prefer /b/fleet. -----+----- Mailing List: Eve Art Store Orders Channel: Eve Art Store
An Anarchyyt Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:28:00 - [202] I think there is one important thing that is being overlooked here. We have (relatively), consistent dev responses in this thread. And in this thread, they are fully explaining what they want and their reasoning, in something that as far as I'm concerned, is an acceptable level of transparency. So we have a Dev being open and honest, even though he knows it is an unpopular view. In other words, whether we got what we wanted or not, we know what is going on. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Jamie Hara	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:40:00 - [203] Originally by: BritishInvader Dear Goonswarm: Please go away to your own MMO hosted on your own servers and your own private website. SA doesn't want you, we don't want you, and you're just a blight upon the internet. Christ, I'd prefer /b/fleet. Who are we? The alts of who?
BritishInvader Amarr Leela's Lamas	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:41:00 - [204] Originally by: Jamie Hara Originally by: BritishInvader Dear Goonswarm: Please go away to your own MMO hosted on your own servers and your own private website. SA doesn't want you, we don't want you, and you're just a blight upon the internet. Christ, I'd prefer /b/fleet. Who are we? The alts of who? I'm not an alt. -----+----- Mailing List: Eve Art Store Orders Channel: Eve Art Store
Silence Duegood	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:48:00 - [205] /me prepares for more DOS attacks, or other assorted caveman-style 'revenge' from Goons.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.20 19:58:00 - [206] Well to be quite honest with as little combat as BoB's titans see these days its not like you're at a risk of having to add wrecks daily.
Alexander Knott Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.08.20 20:32:00 - [207] Originally by: CCP Prism X As to why we cannot do it manually it's because of the slippery slope. At some point we might not be able to allocate resources to it instantly, at least it's prudent to assume so. In that case we might have a delicate situation on our hands, say the Goons having shot down 5 BoB titans in an epic battle which leaves the Band of Brothers decimated. Any hesitation on our behalf to manually make these monuments might be interpreted the wrong way, so we're not doing that. So instead you refuse to build the monument for the first live Titan to go down in an epic battle that many consider to be a major turning point in the war between BoB and RSF? I think you're pretty much guaranteed this is going to be interpretted the "wrong way". ----- "I like to loot, especially going to the can of the battleship, sometimes there is a surprise inside, sometimes there is only carp..."
WT Snacks Anonymous Legionnaires	Posted - 2007.08.20 20:38:00 - [208] Originally by: BritishInvader Dear Goonswarm: Please go away to your own MMO hosted on your own servers and your own private website. SA doesn't want you, we don't want you, and you're just a blight upon the internet. Christ, I'd prefer /b/fleet. Dear Imbecile: Stop posting. -wts
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2007.08.20 20:38:00 - [209] Originally by: WT Snacks Originally by: BritishInvader Dear Goonswarm: Please go away to your own MMO hosted on your own servers and your own private website. SA doesn't want you, we don't want you, and you're just a blight upon the internet. Christ, I'd prefer /b/fleet. Dear Imbecile: Stop posting. -wts Anonymous Legionares do not forgive or forget? ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.20 20:43:00 - [210] Originally by: Aduna just one more bit of evidence, if any was needed, that the devs favor BoB beyond all others. so why not remove THIER titan wreck that they sit around circle-jerking all over and make it even? why didn't Shrike's titan wreck stay? oh, because it was Goons that did it and it was a BoB titan. unreal. You know what, I hate BoB, I hate all the cheating stuff that went on, I hate the whole episode involving t20 etc. But you goons are worse. Over and over again you *** and whine and cry and gripe. Go away, shut up, get out of EVE, you cheapen everything you touch and you did NOTHING to deserve a monument unless it was a monument to stupidity. Originally by:** Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.

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