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Amith Silvermoon The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 09:09:00 - [31] Butter Dog is like the Juganaut from X-Men. Once he start's smacking its impossible to stop him! ---------- Everyday Combat - A Littlest Hobos Movie
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 09:49:00 - [32] Originally by: Hardin CVA has no pets. People help us because they want to help us and that is because we spend the majority of our time helping them. The neutrals that you dismiss as 'pets' do not pay us rent nor are they forced to help. They do so because they know that CVA space is the one area where they can go about their business unmolested and without interference from some 'overlord'. Oh, Hardin. Ever the master of comedic spin. Being told that the CVA have no pets is akin to the Pope distancing himself from the Catholic church. You impose all manner of rules on your pet alliances, including coercing them into following your standings list. Many of the entities who operate in Providence shoot CVA for very specific reasons, none of them to do with piracy. But you label these factions as pirates, because it suits you to do so, as you can then rope in your meatshields when it suits you. Originally by: Hardin I am sure many of the neutrals that live in our area would actually prefer if CVA involved them more... We don't use anyone as 'meatshields'. Anyone involved in one of our operations knows exactly what they are getting into and their role in the fleet. Yes sometimes 'neutrals' are used as bait primarily because YOU and many of the other raiders in Providence run a mile at the merest sniff of a CVA ship because you know we are gonna kick your arse. Just last week we had some HUGE fights with Cruel Intentions in R3. (A slight digression - Cruel Intentions is an alliance that I respect. They really bring it. They know what they are doing and they are not afraid to fight outnumbered - nor do they spend their time smacking on the forums. I would suggest that you - and I mean you in particular (not BUM as a whole because I actually like many BUM pilots) - should take some lessons from them because constant forum smack unsupported by ingame action really looks pitiful. Interesting that you deride me for forum smacking then deliver a masterclass. Well done. Our alliance of 150 cannot go toe-to-toe with CVA. We know that and so do you. But we can, and do, go toe-to-toe with other alliances many times our size, even when they work collabaratively. A highlight for me was an excellent 70 v 10 fight against UCE/Sylph in which we came out on top. Our campaigns are specifc, focused, and successful. We understand our capabilities and CI are certainly more numerous and capable than ourselves. I'm sure it irritates you greatly that we don't fall for your amateur attempts at baiting our capitals into a trap, but the CVA are far too predictable for their own good when it comes to these matters. We're not here for your amusement, you are not our target. As far as our effectiveness in Providence goes, our Providence Must Burn campaign is visible on our public killboard, and you can judge for yourself how successful we are being at making a mockery of your claim to have 'secured' the region. Originally by: Hardin Your clear attempt to try and divide CVA from its friends in Providence is transparent and demonstrates your lack of ability to damage CVA in any other way... Your fairland analysis really does you no favours apart from generating ridicule amongst those who know the facts. It seems the only person without a grip on the facts here is yourself. We've set ourselves very clear objectives, and we are having fun realising them. We're not in Providence to hold space, or to even attempt to match your blob sizes (which is frankly impossible for us). So we adapt our tactics and our targets accordingly. The results speak for themselves. Originally by: hardin I know we podded you last week and you are probably a little upset over that but seriously stop with the forum warfare and just bring it. We are waiting! Ahh, you must be referring to the T1 fitted rifter of mine you popped. A cruel blow. I believe we visited 9uy later that day to exact revenge :) ----------
Amith Silvermoon The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 09:54:00 - [33] Edited by: Amith Silvermoon on 13/08/2007 09:54:36 Hmm i get a bit of time to make a real post now. TBH i think some of the BUM pilots should stop posting and let this die now! To hardin Its a fact that BUM can't pull the number to fight CVA head to head, offen CVA and friend bring gangs that outnumber us 3/1 sometime 4/1. We enjoy a fight but not suicide and when CVA coming looking for us the number they bring swing the outcome to a sure fire insurance claim. To the OP Most of providnce sov holding alliance run NRDS but some of the local have a habit of over looking that sometimes. ---------- Everyday Combat - A Littlest Hobos Movie
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 10:18:00 - [34] I love being accused of spin by someone who's sole occupation seems to be forum whoring. Butterdog I am not going to go through your post line by line and ONCE AGAIN point out all the inaccuracies and nonsense. By all means continue to spout your drivel about CVA and all the other good people who live in Providence because, when all is said and done, your linguistic flatulence on these forums amounts to nothing. When you finally pose a serious threat in space (and by threat I mean something other than the occasional raiding party) then I may take you a little more seriously because as it stands all you are is an amusing distraction from my work Seriously I know you have to make BUM look good on the forums - recruiting is never easy - and who knows you may even fool a few people into believing you and joining the anti-CVA crusade, but in the end actions speak louder than words... As I said in the top post just bring it. Stop with the forum whoring and excuses and show us what you are made of. By all means continue to pen your cloud cuckoo land hypotheses and misguided analysis about why CVA are such bad guys and continue to amuse us all... While you are doing that CVA will continue its holy work to secure Providence on behalf of the Amarr Empire (and all law-abiding neutrals)... I will leave you to it ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Ogodai John The Bakhunov Family	Posted - 2007.08.13 10:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Hardin Your fairland analysis really does you no favours apart from generating ridicule amongst those who know the facts. Oh, he is also quite amusing to watch even for those of us who have no idea about the facts.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 10:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Hardin I love being accused of spin by someone who's sole occupation seems to be forum whoring. Butterdog I am not going to go through your post line by line and ONCE AGAIN point out all the inaccuracies and nonsense. By all means continue to spout your drivel about CVA and all the other good people who live in Providence because, when all is said and done, your linguistic flatulence on these forums amounts to nothing. When you finally pose a serious threat in space (and by threat I mean something other than the occasional raiding party) then I may take you a little more seriously because as it stands all you are is an amusing distraction from my work Seriously I know you have to make BUM look good on the forums - recruiting is never easy - and who knows you may even fool a few people into believing you and joining the anti-CVA crusade, but in the end actions speak louder than words... As I said in the top post just bring it. Stop with the forum whoring and excuses and show us what you are made of. By all means continue to pen your cloud cuckoo land hypotheses and misguided analysis about why CVA are such bad guys and continue to amuse us all... While you are doing that CVA will continue its holy work to secure Providence on behalf of the Amarr Empire (and all law-abiding neutrals)... I will leave you to it Hardin, those who know me know that I dont really take these forums seriously. It is a bit of fun. Don't get too wound up about it. Of course, there is spin on both sides and my occasional forum posts on Providence-related matters is bound to antagonise. Thats quite intentional. But you can hardly claim I'm not active in-game. Thats quite obviously a lie. My 3-ish posts a day on the forums hardly detract from that, and anyway like you I'm bored at work There are arguements on both sides, no-one can claim 'the truth' only their perception of the situation. You are either very ignorant about our little alliance (which is fine, as you say we don't matter in the wider scheme of your goals), or you are deliberately being misguided in a smear attempt when you say things like 'when you are a real threat' or 'when you finally bring it'. I don't know how many times we have to spell it out to you, but we're simply not interested in territorial conquest or attempting to go fleet-to-fleet against CVA. We don't have your numbers so we adapt accordingly. We're a small but pretty capable group of close-knit players. We have fun. We can and do accomplish goals against much larger entities, but we're aware of our limitations. You complain we don't 'bring it' to CVA, but whenever you bring it to us its generally in the form of a blob which outnumbers us 3 or 4 to 1. If you were genuinely interested in fights that would not happen, we're not stupid, but I understand why it does and I don't blame you for it. You can't compare us to CI who have double our numbers and three times the capitals. We can only dream of putting together the kind of gang they jumped in g-5 that evening. But thats fine, we know ourselves. We may not be taking your stations from you, but ask the average UCE or Slammers member how the last few weeks have been for them. We don't need CVA's permission or approval to have fun in Providence, no matter how much you'd like us to seek it. ----------
Ruff Ceyx Amarr Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.08.13 10:59:00 - [37] Good mining in Prov, the veld is top notch. -------------------------------------------
Karim alRashid Gallente principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.13 11:18:00 - [38] Edited by: Karim alRashid on 13/08/2007 11:19:29 Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hardin CVA has no pets. People help us because they want to help us and that is because we spend the majority of our time helping them. The neutrals that you dismiss as 'pets' do not pay us rent nor are they forced to help. They do so because they know that CVA space is the one area where they can go about their business unmolested and without interference from some 'overlord'. Oh, Hardin. Ever the master of comedic spin. Being told that the CVA have no pets is akin to the Pope distancing himself from the Catholic church. You impose all manner of rules on your pet alliances, including coercing them into following your standings list. I wonder how to put this in the most delicate manner ... I suggest you print out you definition of "pet" term on paper, roll it and with a swift motion put it where the sun does not hine. Thanks.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 11:20:00 - [39] Edited by: Hardin on 13/08/2007 11:23:56 Fair enough Butter. BUM are good at what they do, but as you yourself acknowledge, don't really have the capacity (at least at the moment) to make a big impression vs the CVA. There is nothing wrong with admitting that! I can also understand why you want to big up your successes (it is a natural human behaviour after all). However, there really is no need to start labelling people as 'pets' or 'meatshields' simply because they support us rather than you. Yes you dislike CVA and we dislike you - but please keep it off the forums. It really achieves nothing. At the end of the day space is where it matters. From the perspective of an average CVA pilot CI has caused us more problems in the last two weeks than BUM has caused us in the last six months. I don't say this to demean BUM but to explain why I and other CVA simply have to laugh when we see you giving it the big one on the forums. Seriously do you see CI on here making accusations about CVA's general uselessness, or how we use 'meatshields' or 'pets' to protect ourselves. No - and as a result they have won themselves a lot of admirers within CVA. My suggestion is you take a leaf out of their book. I am sure from your persepctive CVA is the devil incarnate but there are many reasons why most neutrals in Providence support us and those reasons have nothing to do with coercion or fear as you seem to make out. By all means continue your raids. By all means continue to try and challenge our control in Providence but please stop with the analysis of CVA and our friends because you are way off base and seriously it is just making you look ill-informed and out of touch. As I said in my first post concentrate on kicking the **** out of us in space (to whatever level you can) and leave your speculations and analysis to your own internal forums where I am sure your alliance m8s will lap it up. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 12:44:00 - [40] Edited by: Sapphrine on 13/08/2007 12:46:43 If i ever needed an example of how much spin hardin can stick on a single topic, i'm using the above post :) Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics. Further to that, as already stated we can substantially upset your allies in the region and make life under CVA rule unpleasant. Before we go any further lets just be blunt. The forces in providence live at your whim. If you chose to remove them for whatever reason, they could not stand against you even if they combined. They lost the only chance they had of doing that when they all decided that they couldn't do it with U'K's backing and bailed. So what else do we have then... ah yes, the comparison of us with CI constantly. As stated by... well just about everyone... CI are a larger force than us. They are more capable of matching CVA's 'superior tactic' aka. the blob combat and they have been 'bringing it' nicely with mixed successes. They are, I note, operating out and around misaba currently, where CVA's primary presence appears and not out of the former Unity space where the majority of the forces living at CVA's whim are. As for seeing CVA as the devil incarnate, far from it! I actually have a fair bit of respect for the average CVA pilot in space and I will certainly acknowledge that you know how to do fleet combat. What you never seem to have gotten is that there is the entire other side to combat, that is skirmish combat. Your opponent has a huge fleet of doom? don't fight it :) I have yet to see a situation where, faced with 5-20 ships, cva doesn't bring 2-4x our number + at least double our capitals. I'm sorry but if you honestly expect us to 'bring it' vs that then you're simply deluded. We're hardly ill-informed on the current state of your allies, they're all accutely aware that we have that intelligence as you are so lets not go feigning ignorance now hardin. You seem to want us not to post in oposition to your propoganda citing that what we're saying is purely speculation and opinion.... I'm sorry but your side of things is also exactly that. The truth lies, again as already stated, somewhere in the middle. If you'd like a reduction in the rhetoric and harshness of the criticism laid at your feet i'd suggest that you start to scale back the disgusting level of propoganda you spew onto these forums or infact any others that you post to. There's only one that is in character, i suggest you leave the in character attitude on there.

Ifni Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.08.13 13:18:00 - [41] I once shot Hardin. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
GO MaZ Spartan Industries	Posted - 2007.08.13 13:19:00 - [42] Apart from the massive slugfest we had in G-5, I've yet to see any serious sniperfleets put together by CVA - most of the times we've engaged they've been in close-range megapulse geddons / abaddons, domis, the odd megathron, and a boatload of recons. Definitely not sitting off at range while their "meatshields" die, but slugging it out in the thick of things (misaba gate ) with their neutral buddies. P.S. Posting in a butterdog-hijack thread!
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 13:41:00 - [43] I think in addition to that, I would say to Hardin that none of this is 'new information'. We've consistently and clearly stated that CVA are not our targets in Providence. We've never claimed to be an equal in terms of numbers, though we believe we're equally as capable when the numbers are anything like even. CVA's assertion is that Providence is a secure place for 'law abiding' pet alliances to do business. Our assertion is that it is anything but, and we prove it on a daily basis. Ask UCE why they are tearing down their POS chains and leaving for Empire in their droves. Yes, we fought you V's Ushra'khan and we'll always be red to each other (I imagine), but we have no desire to hold space and we're not attached to Providnce in the way that CVA is. As I say, we don't have a grand strategic plan to control Providence. In fact we're nomadic and will liekly be moving on sooner or later, but in the meantime we're having fun and achieving our goals. To us, thats all that matters. Don't judge us by your own standards, we're very different entities. ----------
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:16:00 - [44] Originally by: Sapphrine I have yet to see a situation where, faced with 5-20 ships, cva doesn't bring 2-4x our number + at least double our capitals. I'm sorry but if you honestly expect us to 'bring it' vs that then you're simply deluded. Let's use a recent example: D6 two nights ago. 19-strong gang of BUM and ENH. CVA response force is 13, with a disadvantage in both BS and ewar. CVA kills 13 for 7 losses and holds the field. What is the comment posted in response on enemy killboard to this engagement? "well, never engage CVA, they always blob to win". 13 CVA to 19 hostiles and we're "blobbing". No, that comment wasn't made by a BUM pilot, but this kind of utter disconnect from the reality of what happens and the perception of it by our enemies, including BUM pilots, is something we see on a daily basis. We've seen people run away from a single CVA BS, with no support anywhere near it or on the way, screaming blob in Local. Yes, we do often have strong reaction fleets outnumbering our enemies, that can't always be helped as we have a lot of active pilots and many times you ask for 2 people to help you against a couple hostiles and 20 people x up and start running towards the target system. But the "CVA are blobbers who don't know how to do anything else" lie seems to be so ingrained into our resident hostiles that they start hallucinating every single CVA ship into a blob and then whining about it. That gets extremely tiresome.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:21:00 - [45] Lowan, I would agree that the comment about blobbing in that case would not be fair or accurate. Nice use of the logistics platform in that fight and good to see :) As you identified though, CVA have a reputation for blobbing. That has been built through consistent experience. Maybe you're trying to change your ways but one fight does not change your pattern of behaviour. You shouldn't be too suprised to be stuck with the label for some time, unless there is consistent evidence to the contrary. ----------
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:22:00 - [46] How amusing. Once again being accused of spin by a member of (almost) the largest attention seeking forum ***** corp in the EVE universe. If your in game capabilities reflected your forum abilities I have no doubt that you would by now be the most feared alliance in EVE. If you actually look back at my posting record you will find that I very rarely start CVA related threads (and most of those are either IC or battle reports - and even those not often). Most of the time I simply respond to enemies (like BUM) seeking to slander us. This thread started out as a basic enquiry about Providence - yet within the first ten posts three separate BUM decided to express an opinion and spin things their own way. The fact is that your little campaign has about as much impact as a flea biting the arse of an elephant. Yet you go on and on and on and on as if you were really doing something significant. Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not. All you are doing is sitting on forums saying: Evil CVA this blah blah Evil CVA that blah blah Meatshields this blah blah Pets that blah blah At the end of the day CVA have been in Providence for 3/4 years making slow but steady progress towards our goals. I am not claiming Providence is 100% secure... I would be mental to do so... after all what 0.0 is ever 100% secure? However it is just as secure now as it has ever been in the past (with the exception of the current CI invasion in the Misaba area). The CVA has never forced anyone to come to Providence. The CVA has never forced anyone to fight for us. The CVA has never told people to adopt our KOS lists. They have done so out of their own choice. The fact is that CVA is pretty much the only 0.0 alliance that opens up its space to all and sundry. The only restrictions we place are that people live by a few basic civic resposibilities (no piracy). That's it. They don't have to fight for us, they don't have to pay us anything. If they don't like it they can leave. The choice is purely theirs. While don't tell people who to shoot we do share our KOS list with neutrals - primarily because most of the people on our KOS lists are NBSI entities who would shoot them anyway! It is only natural if you are sharing your space with someone that you will work together when that space is invaded by someone targeting both of you. Anyway, it was BUM and the various other allies recruited during the 9UY siege which drove many of the neutral residents of Providence into our arms... For example Sylph was told: 'If you don't shoot CVA then we will let our new friends shoot you', however the 'new friends' turned out to have been people that had spent the previous three months shooting at Sylph. Great option! Instead they (Sylph) chose to work with a neighbouring alliance (the CVA) which had always maintained a consistent anti-pirate policy in Providence and which wasn't trying to force them into anything. Yet for this they get labelled, 'pets', 'meatshields' and traitors. I can really see the logic in that. You really should stop whining and just get on with doing a better job killing us. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:29:00 - [47] I don't mind the label as I know we do it. What I find annoying is the consistent accusations of it when it didn't even happen, this isn't an isolated incident. Regardless of whether we fight on even terms or undermanned, if we win the "blob more" whining always starts. I have no problem with people calling a spade a spade, though I really don't care as they're the ones in our space and should expect to be crushed, but the incessant whining about imaginary blobs that is just used as an excuse for losing just makes us shake our heads.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:31:00 - [48] Originally by: Hardin Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not. Wrong. Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies. We've been VERY successful. ----------
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Butter Dog As you identified though, CVA have a reputation for blobbing. That has been built through consistent experience. Maybe you're trying to change your ways but one fight does not change your pattern of behaviour. CVA responds in force to all hostiles that enter our space. Sometimes we have larger numbers, sometimes we don't. At the end of the day it doesn't matter - what matters is who goes home in the bodybag. If you want to blame your lack of results against us on a 'CVA blob' then please do so, it is a useful excuse. Maybe you could start a whispering campaign about Devs in CVA cheating on our behalf - you may get even more mileage out of that one! ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hardin Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not. Wrong. Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies. We've been VERY successful. Originally by: Sapphrine Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics. ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607

Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:54:00 - [51] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hardin Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not. Wrong. Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies. We've been VERY successful. Originally by: Sapphrine Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics. 'Can most certainly' ... its a hypothetical. As we've confirmed to you, and you know yourself, CVA are not our targets. ----------
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 14:55:00 - [52] This thread needs more me
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:02:00 - [53] Originally by: Lilan Kahn This thread needs more me Very true I will enjoy debating these issues with BD on Saturday at the London **** up /emote goes out to buy bullet proof vest ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:03:00 - [54] To the OP: If excitement (plus better NPCs than low sec) is what you're looking for, Providence has plenty of it. It's a fairly poor region in terms of ore and NPCs, but it's got more to offer in that regard than .1 or above. CVA claims sovereignty in the majority of Providence, and enforce NRDS (Not Red, Don't Shoot) througout the whole of Providence. Where the misconception comes in that CVA has pets of any kind is that, quite simply, any organization who refused to operate NRDS was removed, allowing organizations with a more open-minded, open-space policy to flourish. (The only exception to our anti-NBSI campaign was Ushra'Khan...they also operated NRDS but were our primary roleplay targets.) If you want to fly in Providence, nothing will be asked of you...except that you do not shoot at anything that has not proved hostile to you. If you get into contact with a CVA pilot in-game, more information can be provided to you that will hopefully facilitate your survival in 0.0, (to include a list of "badguys" so that you don't have to wait until you're already being shot at to know someone is hostile to you,) but the bottom line is keep your situational awareness up and you'll be okay. CVA respond quickly, but we don't "spawn" a-la CONCORD unfortunately Come on down, have a look, and see what you think. Right now our biggest issue is Cruel Intentions, an alliance with a dangerous combination of capable pilots, active numbers, and high grade equipment. Best to contact a CVA representative before jumping from low-sec into Providence to ensure there's not a fleet of nasties waiting for you to fall into their net. After you're in, though, it's "watch local, pay attention, and have fun!"
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:04:00 - [55] Originally by: Hardin If you want to blame your lack of results against us on a 'CVA blob' then please do so, it is a useful excuse. Lack of results? Thats a good one. I see rather pleasing results myself. You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special. ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Lilan Kahn This thread needs more me Very true I will enjoy debating these issues with BD on Saturday at the London **** up /emote goes out to buy bullet proof vest Oh, forgot about that! Yes I'll be there. I may even buy you a drink ----------
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:11:00 - [57] There will be a CVA blob ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:13:00 - [58] Edited by: Garreck on 13/08/2007 15:13:41 Originally by: Butter Dog You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special. Ratings which are a bit skewed based on BUM's involvement in a massive coallition to prevent CVA from taking 9uy...a coallition that included the likes of TOXIN and The Establishment...a coallition that packed a titan and multiple motherships. And a coallition that ultimately failed to hold the system, though they cost us several capital ships, giving BUM a nice ratio against the CVA. Which is why "efficiency rating" has never rated quite so high on CVA priorities as "results."
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Hardin Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not. Wrong. Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies. We've been VERY successful. Originally by: Sapphrine Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics. Once again, the master of spin is.... spinning :) Traditionally it helps not to prove the other sides point when you're doing it. As butter already said, 'we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics' does not = 'our sole objective is to kill cva'. In fact, as has been said ad nauseum in this thread, in our war decs, and in almost any thread we post, we have very little desire to fight CVA after seeing their fighting style on the whole. Our objective have been proportional to our size and have been consistently successful. This is all you can really ask for from your eve experience. I welcome the change towards skirmish gangs from CVA as shown the previous night. I would argue that this is a single case to be weighed against many where CVA have not acted in such away. CI for example bring what they think they'll need for a fight.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:16:00 - [60] Originally by: Hardin Originally by: Lilan Kahn This thread needs more me Very true I will enjoy debating these issues with BD on Saturday at the London **** up /emote goes out to buy bullet proof vest NOES!?! you cant agree with me its against the laws of physic!



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