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fathitman
Gallente
The Coalition Of Buccaneers
Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.08.15 17:58:00 -
[151]
CVA has M-5's support, will help anyway we can.
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Gaius Kador
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.08.15 18:28:00 -
[152]
A bit surprised to see BUM have it in so much for the CVA...
Whats the story? ;)
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Jirai Grepher
Gallente
Creative Destruction
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Posted - 2007.08.15 18:29:00 -
[153]
I swear, i see more fights on Coad than i do actually in space..
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Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.15 18:49:00 -
[154]
 Originally by: Garreck
I don't have to work terribly hard to establish that you don't venture much into CVA claimed space, though, because you and yours have been yelling it pretty loudly in this thread for a few pages.
We havent said that at all.
We've said we're not targetting CVA, but we operate in Providence every day blowing up your pets and making a mockery of your claim to have secured the region.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.15 18:55:00 -
[155]
Originally by: fathitman
CVA has M-5's support, will help anyway we can.
Who?
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:04:00 -
[156]
CVA did great job in securing that region tbh, ive never seen such higly populated low sec space like in misaba area. Plenty of indy`s, npcers, mission runners and obviously they feel safe, also lots of travelers trough near 0.0. I cant comment on other parts of providence cuz im too lasy to go there but as i already stated misaba area is obvious evidence of a well done job.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:09:00 -
[157]
Originally by: Butter Dog
We've said we're not targetting CVA, but we operate in Providence every day blowing up your pets and making a mockery of your claim to have secured the region.
If attacking fledlging alliances in Providence and forcing them to learn how to communicate (internally and externally) and operate or, frankly, get wiped out is "making a mockery" of the CVA then laugh away I suppose.
BUM seem to be under the impression that the onus is on CVA to stop anybody from dying in Providence without our blessing (you're not the first and won't be the last to throw such sentiments in our face,) and obviously we're not going to change your mind on this. There are tangible standards of CVA's progress in Providence, but those standards are readily dismissed by those who have continually failed to stop our advances...this is hardly surprising.
I, for one, can state with a high degree of certainty that Providence is one of the safer regions of 0.0 for people to "get their feet wet" in...and I can state with a high degree of certainty that it is CVA's efforts that have made it so.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:20:00 -
[158]
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: Butter Dog
We've said we're not targetting CVA, but we operate in Providence every day blowing up your pets and making a mockery of your claim to have secured the region.
If attacking fledlging alliances in Providence and forcing them to learn how to communicate (internally and externally) and operate or, frankly, get wiped out is "making a mockery" of the CVA then laugh away I suppose.
Well, that was what you hired us for, wasn't it?
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:31:00 -
[159]
Originally by: James Lyrus
Well, that was what you hired us for, wasn't it?
I also hired you to keep your mouth shut!! 
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Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.15 19:41:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: James Lyrus
Well, that was what you hired us for, wasn't it?
I also hired you to keep your mouth shut!!
Sorry but did you miss the memo where we rented our forum services to some one else?
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Kaganis Warmonkey
Lyrus Associates
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.15 22:52:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Solusar
I suppose that is down to the standing orders in BUM not to engage CVA.
We have?
Wow, it's not mentioned anywhere on our forums. Or in Alliance mail. You must have amazing spies to know a standing order that we don't have!  
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kincajou
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Posted - 2007.08.15 23:26:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: kincajou niten
Originally by: Mistress Suffering
As for residents counting on CVA to defend them in their home turf of Misaba/R3, this seems fairly unlikely as I notice all the CVA leadership has relocated down to 9UY to put some distance between themselves as Cruel Intentions who hold court there now. Ah well, I'm sure they had your best interest in mind in doing so...
There is no such thing as distance with correct sov and some cool toys after RevII ;-)
Which begs the question what you are all doing in 9UY when CI are >>>>> that way
just for you as you seem can't understand (no biggie, you don't hold any major territory, that's why) - there is no such thing as distance since ReveII, i can go from 9uy to R3 in under a minute. ;-)
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kincajou
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Posted - 2007.08.15 23:28:00 -
[163]
kincajou = kincajou niten ;-)
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar
Spartan Industries
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.15 23:47:00 -
[164]
Originally by: Don ZOLA
CVA did great job in securing that region tbh, ive never seen such higly populated low sec space like in misaba area. Plenty of indy`s, npcers, mission runners and obviously they feel safe, also lots of travelers trough near 0.0. I cant comment on other parts of providence cuz im too lasy to go there but as i already stated misaba area is obvious evidence of a well done job.
QFT. I cut my teeth in the region under the protection of CVA. It is a haven for newcomers and veteran traders. No one can doubt their ability to pvp, or defend space. After all...its the same guys here now, that were fighting years ago.
Stability is a rare thing in EVE, and say what you like about CVA, but they are consistent
Oh, btw Hardin, I hope the alliance mail you got from us spices things up a bit.
See you tomorrow 
I, erm, like kill things and stuff |
Butter Dog
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.16 07:21:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey
Originally by: Solusar
I suppose that is down to the standing orders in BUM not to engage CVA.
We have?
Wow, it's not mentioned anywhere on our forums. Or in Alliance mail. You must have amazing spies to know a standing order that we don't have!
come to think of it, do we have *any* standing orders?
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Fwaatcha
Caldari
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.08.16 10:34:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Garreck
I, for one, can state with a high degree of certainty that Providence is one of the safer regions of 0.0 for people to "get their feet wet" in...and I can state with a high degree of certainty that it is CVA's efforts that have made it so.
I agree 100% with this statement.Anyone and everyone can go to Providence and as long as they are under the protection of CVA,they can pretty much do whatever they want in peace.
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AngryCanuk
Madison Industrial Co.
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.16 13:31:00 -
[167]
Edited by: AngryCanuk on 16/08/2007 13:31:38
I dont want to say anything that might get me smacked in alliance.
But..
I know from experience that if our FCs call for help from CVA(for whatever reason), they come. They know we wont call them out unless really needed so they are normally very understanding and energetic if a time does come that we require their caps or fleet for some good old pew pew fun :)
Honor does not have to be defended. - Robert J. Sawyer
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Mattduk
Gallente
Universal Army
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Posted - 2007.08.16 19:49:00 -
[168]
I've read the whole thing.
It appears to me, though, that CVA are saying two different things. They aren't too far apart from each other, but they do have two distinctive meanings. On the one hand they claim that CVA is safe space and they've successfully gained sovereignty and they don't seem to have any troubles anywhere except from the CI guys. Yet on the other hand they seem to say that, well it's still 0.0, you still have to look after yourselves, we don't police the region, etc, etc...
It looks to me that the left hand and the right hand have yet to meet.
I think this is where most of the debate is coming from. On the one hand they state they are NRDS, yet on the other hand they shoot suspected macroers in systems in and around Misaba, and neutral Ravens in Dysa who are red to some of the CVA corps, but not to all of them.
Additionally, they seem to feel that they don't tell people who they can and cannot shoot in 'CVA space', yet they will quickly set you to red if you don't follow their KOS list. It's all very confusing, which is to be expected I guess. It can't be easy to have a NRDS, anti-pirate, 'don't shoot neutrals or else' stance, while also claiming to allow their allies to keep their own standings lists.
To me this last point is physically impossible. You can't allow someone to keep their own standings list, and at the same time put them to red because they shot a neutral that was not on the CVA red list. It's impossible to keep these two policies running in harmony because they directly conflict each other.
I mean, listen to it, say it out loud a couple times...
"Sure, keep your own standings list, but don't shoot anyone who is neutral or blue to CVA or we'll make you red too."
Good luck making that miracle happen.
At the end of the day though, CVA don't seem to understand that BUM responded to the OP with THEIR opinion on Providence. CVA seem to think they are the only people allowed to have an opinion on Providence. All other opinions are unworthy and must be smacked/spun to death on the forums.
BUM have then been forced into a smack war regarding their tactics, their targets, their choice of alcholohic beverage... I'm waiting for choice of toilet paper brand. I'm curious!
Bottom line is this:
Providence is not safe. Just as no 0.0 region is safe.
CVA currently has sovereignty in most of the region, but they claim to own it in entirety, which means jack **** unless you want to dock at one of their stations.
Entering Providence is not easy, most pipes in and out are camped by non-CVA forces.
Providence rats are not gorgeous, but better than a kick in the nads.
Providence ore is no better than low sec.
There are many groups of pilots harrassing CVA and CVA friendlies in Providence.
CVA is unable to deal with all their enemies at the same time, so it might be pot luck as to whether you chose a decent entrance point.
Both sides of the argument want you to agree with them, and join their side, regardless of how fiercely they deny it. It's human nature.
Oh and last but not least, CVA are slaver scum hehe :)
Regards
Mattduk
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joefishy
S.A.S
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.16 20:42:00 -
[169]
People need to realise CVA is the dogs *******s.
People thing its a easy target.
Huge respect to CVA
Keep the best fights i have in eve coming.
Joey
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Speedie Tappaja
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.08.16 21:17:00 -
[170]
Originally by: joefishy
People need to realise CVA is the dogs *******s.
People thing its a easy target.
Huge respect to CVA
Keep the best fights i have in eve coming.
Joey
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/signed
Huge respect to CVA! they have been in providence and domain area long time. and they will stay there long time. they arent easy targets. dunno why ppl think so. Respect to all in CVA! AMARR VICTOR! :)
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steamy
The Littlest Hobos
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.16 22:34:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Mattduk
BUM have then been forced into a smack war regarding their tactics, their targets, their choice of alcholohic beverage... I'm waiting for choice of toilet paper brand. I'm curious!
Let me give you an answer on your last question. Personally, I use Page (dutch brand name?) toiletpaper. it soft to the the BUM and has nice pictures on it, so I don't get bored while I am extending my spine on the toilet.
as for CVA's fleet capabilities, they have our respect. But we are not targetting them because doing so would not be fun for either one of us.
and yes, ofc, they are slaver scum, and have to many pets.
Steamy
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eRabbit
5punkorp
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.16 22:41:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Butter Dog
come to think of it, do we have *any* standing orders?
Mock Jimmy at any oppurtunity seems to be the only one.
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Friznit
5punkorp
Betrayal Under Mayhem
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Posted - 2007.08.16 23:06:00 -
[173]
Edited by: Friznit on 16/08/2007 23:10:00
I think you'll find a neat solution to this whole issue at This Link
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Raznarok
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.17 08:41:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Ifni
I once shot Hardin.
Did he fall in love with you, like I did?
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.17 09:02:00 -
[175]
No
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CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
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Kabajashi San
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.08.17 12:33:00 -
[176]
There is no black and white in Providence just as their isn't in any other region. Some areas are "safe" when you are allied to CVA (around Missaba mainly), others are far from it. Thing is that if want to stay and live in CVA hold space you will adopt to their rules. You take their KOS list because you don't want to shoot anyone not on the list and be put on it yourself. It is not enforced by CVA but it is a rather logical step. So the unification is not by force but by natural development.
The other territoy holding alliances in Providence are much less successful in securing their space mainly because they can't field the response fleets CVA can. So there are many areas you should avoid as neutral. Otherwise you will be shot for fun, for money or for RP.
It all comes down to Providence being just like any other 0.0 space. You have one big sov claiming alliance and a few smaller aligned who live at the rims. If you want to live unharrassed you go by the rules of the big alliance. If you want to have more excitement you go against it. It once was a staging point for an epic RP battle but it is no more. Things change.
just my two OOC cents.
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.08.18 02:55:00 -
[177]
Tonight i cost my corp around 200m. great success!
Not sure how much that is to CVA & Co because i honestly have no idea who
i have fought tonight but remember passing both Misaba, R3, H-PA, BKG and D4.
what do i mean by this, i have absolutely no idea about that either.
GO CVA!
/Lowa
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Belce
Caldari
ADAMA Corps
Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.18 07:35:00 -
[178]
Well CI war dec'd CVA, Paxton and Black Suns. First day not much to report. /shrug
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Tharrn
Amarr
Epitoth Fleetyards
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.08.18 13:49:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Butter Dog
Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:
* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves
And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.
Being a resident of Providence I can tell you that this is one big pile of Bantha poodoo. If you want to get a first impression of life in 0.0 you can hardly ever find a better place than Providence and laxer rules than those you have to stick to (no pirating). And believe me: the CVA is usually right at the frontline. If the residents of the region flock to them it's usually because their fleet commanders are without doubt amongst the best.
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Alois Hammer
Minmatar
Hammers Slammers
Slammer's Republic
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Posted - 2007.08.19 06:56:00 -
[180]
Ahhh..i love reading the stuff that comes out of BUM"s.............
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