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Skarvl Mandoo	Posted - 2007.08.14 02:27:00 - [91] Butter Dog still seems to be bitter from the beatdown CVA dropped on ISS back in the day. What was it? 40-1 kill ratio? CVA are still playing the game with some honor. Ex-ISS should take a page from their book. btw, the Harry Potter themed sigs are lame This is my main.
Zoraks Gallente Agony Unleashed	Posted - 2007.08.14 06:34:00 - [92] Edited by: Zoraks on 14/08/2007 06:33:57 .
Twoguns Executive Mindframe	Posted - 2007.08.14 06:59:00 - [93] Both BUM and CVA are good PvP'ers (As much as i dont like admitting it ) As for Providence... Its rather boring
Conlin Gallente Yiotul Fighters	Posted - 2007.08.14 07:09:00 - [94] Originally by: Hardin Butterdog, stop with the bull****, seriously. CVA has no pets. People help us because they want to help us and that is because we spend the majority of our time helping them. The neutrals that you dismiss as 'pets' do not pay us rent nor are they forced to help. They do so because they know that CVA space is the one area where they can go about their business unmolested and without interference from some 'overlord'. It is CVA that puts its fleets on the line night after night and we rarely even ask for help from our allies unless we are outmatched/outblobbed ourselves. I am sure many of the neutrals that live in our area would actually prefer if CVA involved them more... We don't use anyone as 'meatshields'. Anyone involved in one of our operations knows exactly what they are getting into and their role in the fleet. Yes sometimes 'neutrals' are used as bait primarily because YOU and many of the other raiders in Providence run a mile at the merest sniff of a CVA ship because you know we are gonna kick your arse. Just last week we had some HUGE fights with Cruel Intentions in R3. (A slight digression - Cruel Intentions is an alliance that I respect. They really bring it. They know what they are doing and they are not afraid to fight outnumbered - nor do they spend their time smacking on the forums. I would suggest that you - and I mean you in particular (not BUM as a whole because I actually like many BUM pilots) - should take some lessons from them because constant forum smack unsupported by ingame action really looks pitiful. Anyway, back on the subject of our fights with CI, we did request 'neutral' help on a few occasions because at certain times we don't have the capability to kick 'em out on our own. No shame in admitting that. Yes neutrals lost ships in those engagements - but go look at CI's killboards - CVA lost even more. We don't ask anyone to do anything we don't do ourselves. In one of the fights we used CVA as the bait with friendlies coming in later. In another we had the friendlies in first with CVA arriving later. The strategies used depend on the circumstances and whatever we feel will produce the best outcome not some crude decision to let 'meatshields' take the losses. Your clear attempt to try and divide CVA from its friends in Providence is transparent and demonstrates your lack of ability to damage CVA in any other way... Your fairland analysis really does you no favours apart from generating ridicule amongst those who know the facts. I know we podded you last week and you are probably a little upset over that but seriously stop with the forum warfare and just bring it. We are waiting! The chin with the spin suddenly becomes the chump with the hump !!
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 07:28:00 - [95] Originally by: Garreck Originally by: Butter Dog It sounds like CVA are basically saying 'follow our standings or get out' because frankly what other realistic choice is there, other than you individually approving or rejecting each standings change. Quite clearly a pet alliance CANNOT make an independent decision on who to set red, for fear of displeasing the CVA. In essence, you're right on the money, though you say it like it's a bad thing (understandable, as you've plenty of reason to dislike the CVA.) Understand, of course, that the standings we set are based upon a) our roleplay (which we have never asked any of our neutrals to support...support has been volunteered) and b) acts of piracy. So, in essence, our kill list is less a demand and more a service: if you see a CVA red in Providence, get safe or get friends because you're about to get dead. The alternative, of course, is NBSI...where we randomly shoot anyone we please if positive standings are not set. This is not the way CVA choose to operate. Instead, we run constant patrols providing tactical protection to neutrals in Providence, and we spend large sums of isk to build useable infrastructure for neutral parties in what is supposed to be a dead region. In return for our efforts in our space...all we ask is that if people want shooty in Providence, they shoot known badguys. Predictably, our enemies try to make this sound like some sort of oppressive regime. In an out of character forum, which is a bit bizarre. And they say the roleplayers take things too seriously... Okay, so I am curious. What if an entity hostile to CVA wishes to focus only on the CVA. They therefore set CVA red, and operate strict NRDS in Providence. What would CVA's stance on this be? Would they spare their pets from bloodshed or insist on a standings match? ----------
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:22:00 - [96] Originally by: Skarvl Mandoo Butter Dog still seems to be bitter from the beatdown CVA dropped on ISS back in the day. What was it? 40-1 kill ratio? CVA are still playing the game with some honor. Ex-ISS should take a page from their book. btw, the Harry Potter themed sigs are lame This is my main. Oh shnap. That's cold. \o/ Forum pvp
Abn Matar Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.08.14 10:59:00 - [97] Originally by: Butter Dog 'the truth' I claim the truth! Butter dog is still sour because i left a pee stain on his throne in KDF, then i accidentaly shaved his ginger stray cat "snuffles" which he had left in ZXIC. All i can say is Oops! and I will try not to do it again...
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:27:00 - [98] Originally by: Butter Dog Okay, so I am curious. What if an entity hostile to CVA wishes to focus only on the CVA. They therefore set CVA red, and operate strict NRDS in Providence. What would CVA's stance on this be? Would they spare their pets from bloodshed or insist on a standings match? We do not insist that the neutrals in Providence shoot everyone that we do. We do not insist on a standings match. However most neutrals do tend to use CVA's KOS lists as most enemies of CVA are completely indiscriminate in who they shoot in Providence and often are on the CVA's KOS list because they shot at neutrals in the first place. Indeed just to clarify the CVA's KOS list is not simply a creation of the CVA. Many of the residents in the region can also contribute people/corporations/alliances to the list provided they give the CVA sufficient evidence of hostile activity. As I have said 100 million times (well it feels like that) CVA does not force anyone in Providence to do anything other than behave with some civic responsibility - basically not shooting CVA or other residents in the region. They do not have to assist CVA in any shape or form whether monetary or in space. If a corporation wants to come to CVA space tomorrow and spend all day, everyday mining in R3, 9UY or QR then they can do so with absolutely no restrictions or penalty other than our basic no piracy rules. We may not like corps who move here simply to take and never to give but we do not make them KOS or persecute them. That is why the repeated 'pets' claim is such nonsense. Yes a lot of neutrals do use the CVA KOS list. There are a variety of reasons for this (the main one given above) including the fact that the our extensive KOS list gives them plenty of targets to have some pew pew fun. As we operate NRDS in Providence many neutrals also need the KOS list to avoid shooting other neutrals and ending up KOS themselves. The CVA does not demand (or even expect help) but we are of course very grateful if those who enjoy the benefits of CVA protection and Amarrian Providence do chose to assist when they feel like it. Often some neutal corporations will be very zealous assisting CVA as they want to prove themselves and join CVA themselves. (CVA does not recruit corporations without a STRONG & LENGTHY anti-pirate track record in Providence - it is why we grow so slowly). At the end of the day CVA depends on no one but itself because we know the buck stops here. If we were invaded by BoB tomorrow we know we cannot rely on neutrals to save us nor can we rely on neutrals to police our space for us. We are of course grateful to those neutrals who do help us (and many do not) but those that do chose to help us do so for their own reasons, whether they be economic, idealogical or purely because of bonds of loyalty and friendship! ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 11:44:00 - [99] Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/08/2007 11:44:21 Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Skarvl Mandoo Butter Dog still seems to be bitter from the beatdown CVA dropped on ISS back in the day. What was it? 40-1 kill ratio? CVA are still playing the game with some honor. Ex-ISS should take a page from their book. btw, the Harry Potter themed sigs are lame This is my main. Oh shnap. That's cold. \o/ Forum pvp I find it amusing that people think I/we care about ISS. Maybe they don't recall the circumstances under which I left (just for info, ISS are perma -10 to us) Hardin - thanks for your explination of the above point, a forum tussle with you is always good fun. Look forward to meeting you on Saturday ----------
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 12:31:00 - [100] indeed, made for an interesting read Hardin. Now for another question. What would happen if those around you made a deal with those usually less friendly forces who operate NBSI around providence. For arguments sake (so take the humour from this all involved) what would be the response to Sylph napping BUM? By that I mean they would not fire on us and we would not fire on them. If they were in a joint gang with cva, they would not engage bum pilots etc etc. I ask mainly because it led to the rather large headache I ended up fielding as an FC many times in U'K and would be interested in your thoughts on how you guys might tackle it. Also, this could be a conversation point for sat :P p.s. does your blob drink whisky or tequila? :P
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 13:12:00 - [101] Originally by: Sapphrine Also, this could be a conversation point for sat :P I have a rule at these things: as little Eve-talk as possible! Remember I live in London, I don't need it getting out that I'm a secret internet spaceship geek ----------
Amith Silvermoon The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 13:22:00 - [102] Originally by: Butter Dog I don't need it getting out that I'm a secret internet spaceship geek To late Nub-butter ---------- Everyday Combat - A Littlest Hobos Movie
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 14:52:00 - [103] Originally by: Sapphrine indeed, made for an interesting read Hardin. Now for another question. What would happen if those around you made a deal with those usually less friendly forces who operate NBSI around providence. For arguments sake (so take the humour from this all involved) what would be the response to Sylph napping BUM? By that I mean they would not fire on us and we would not fire on them. If they were in a joint gang with cva, they would not engage bum pilots etc etc. I ask mainly because it led to the rather large headache I ended up fielding as an FC many times in U'K and would be interested in your thoughts on how you guys might tackle it. Also, this could be a conversation point for sat :P p.s. does your blob drink whisky or tequila? :P Again, CVA does not enforce our KOS list on other residents of Providence, even if the people they NAP with are mortal enemies of CVA. Therefore if Sylph decided to NAP BUM then we would have to live with it. We may decide that we don't like Sylph very much anymore and shut down join comms channels etc. but we still wouldn't start shooting them unless they started attacking us first. When UK held territory in Providence Sylph were napped with both of us and we did not put any pressure on them to back us against the Minnies. Now, in a theoretical scenario, if Sylph went a step further and started actively helping the hostiles against us - either by providing them with intel or assisting them in space then we would have no compunction in adding them to our KOS list and doing our best to evict them from Amarrian Providence in the same way we evicted Imperial Order who threw in their lot with the Minnies. Indeed in another 'real' example (names removed to protect innocent) a well known (non-CVA) anti-pirate corporation in the Providence/Lower Domain area recently NAPed with the Sani-Sabik (roleplay enemies of CVA) when they were operating in Kheram. We weren't happy with this (naturally) but we didn't force said corporation to break the NAP or leave area. However when said corporation later applied to join CVA their history and decision to NAP was taken into account in our decision making. Everything is EVE has consequences and CVA has a long memory. As I said above most of the 'neutrals' who do support us do so for their own reasons not because CVA has threatened to evict them or KOS them if they don't. Please put yourself in their shoes. Most neutrals in Providence benefit from the CVA's security. While it may not be perfect (but what 0.0 area is 100% secure?) in general most camps get broken up rapidly (with the exception of CI's recent sojourn in Misaba/R3 - which is more a testament to CIs capabilities more than the CVA's lack of ability) and there is a good intelligence network warning of potential threats allowing most (reasonably awake/intelligent) people to operate in RELATIVE security. They do not have to pay rent. They are not forced to fight. They have a 0.0 region at their disposal (albeit not the best one) without any restriction other than their good behaviour. Seriously, do you expect these people to want the CVA to be overthrown and replaced by a regime which potentially could be much more restrictive (as most of 0.0 is?). Is it incomprehensible that these Providence residents would be willing to support CVA against its enemies withou cooercion? Our roleplay is about creating an extension of the Amarr Empire in Providence. Neutrals in Empire do not get shot if they behave themselves but they have Concord on their arse if they do. Just think of CVA the same way (albeit with a slightly slower response time) Finally, this particular part of the blob drinks Tequila! ------------------------------ CVA - Kicking Arse For The Empire - http://eve-files.com/dl/83607
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:18:00 - [104] Originally by: Hardin (snip politics) Finally, this particular part of the blob drinks Tequila! tequila slammers it shall be then. :)
DenverThe LastDinosaur	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:28:00 - [105] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Xeron Silverblade Originally by: Sapphrine You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :) i'm sure i am ;-) but no, just want to go there for occational ratting. it's been some time since i last went there.. and lots of things changed since... that's why i'm asking ;-) Being honest, I wouldn't recommend it. Providence is constantly raided by a lot of competent PvP groups. If you want ISK stick to L4 missions. Are you speaking about ex ISS in cloaked ceptors ganking noobs in the pipes?
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:41:00 - [106] Originally by: Butter Dog Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this: * CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence' * They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate * All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate * 'Evil' PvPers jump in * All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances. What butty is saying, is that if you fail at pvp like him providence is a bad place to be
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:42:00 - [107] Originally by: DenverThe LastDinosaur Are you speaking about ex ISS in cloaked ceptors ganking noobs in the pipes? Heh, do we do that too? makes notes ----------
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:43:00 - [108] Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/08/2007 15:43:56 Originally by: Elendar Originally by: Butter Dog Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this: * CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence' * They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate * All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate * 'Evil' PvPers jump in * All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances. What butty is saying, is that if you fail at pvp like him providence is a bad place to be You might want to check our KB before accusing us of failing, Ms Troll. Btw, nice to see BoB giving you permission to post... how are you finding life as a pet now the tide is turning in the other direction? ----------
Jirai Grepher Gallente Creative Destruction	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:44:00 - [109] I don't know too much about the region. But i do know CVA&co do put up a fight...even when they are outnumbered they still stay and fight. thats all i care about. good fights..and good loot, and as little smacktalk as possible. All posts made reflect my opinion and not that of my corp/alliance.
Elendar Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:51:00 - [110] Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/08/2007 15:43:56 Originally by: Elendar Originally by: Butter Dog Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this: * CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence' * They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate * All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate * 'Evil' PvPers jump in * All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances. What butty is saying, is that if you fail at pvp like him providence is a bad place to be You might want to check our KB before accusing us of failing, Ms Troll. Btw, nice to see BoB giving you permission to post... how are you finding life as a pet now the tide is turning in the other direction? You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad. Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm
La Vittoria 5punkorp Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:57:00 - [111] Originally by: Elendar Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/08/2007 15:43:56 Originally by: Elendar Originally by: Butter Dog Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this: * CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence' * They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate * All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate * 'Evil' PvPers jump in * All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances. What butty is saying, is that if you fail at pvp like him providence is a bad place to be You might want to check our KB before accusing us of failing, Ms Troll. Btw, nice to see BoB giving you permission to post... how are you finding life as a pet now the tide is turning in the other direction? You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad. Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm You sir, are a ****.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 15:57:00 - [112] Originally by: Elendar You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad. Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm Kicked, thats a funny one I stormed out in a blaze of 'glory' and burnt down all my bridges - there is a difference you know! ----------
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:12:00 - [113] We'd like to take a moment and thank Providence for being such a bountiful host recently. In the course of a day (technically 27 hrs), Providence saw fit to bestow into our waiting arms: 3 Slammer's Republic Carriers 1 United Corporations of Eve Caldari Navy Raven 1 CVA Freighter full of POS supplies Plus the usual small-medium skirmish/fleet battles, giant traps with 50+ guys waiting, a free war dec, and general good old fashion fun. Thank you Providence. As for residents counting on CVA to defend them in their home turf of Misaba/R3, this seems fairly unlikely as I notice all the CVA leadership has relocated down to 9UY to put some distance between themselves as Cruel Intentions who hold court there now. Ah well, I'm sure they had your best interest in mind in doing so...
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:24:00 - [114] Originally by: Mistress Suffering As for residents counting on CVA to defend them in their home turf of Misaba/R3, this seems fairly unlikely as I notice all the CVA leadership has relocated down to 9UY to put some distance between themselves as Cruel Intentions who hold court there now. You are terribly misinformed, which I'm sure CI would vouch for. Just between CVA and CI, about 30bil in assets has been blown to bits over the past couple of weeks, and the shooting continues apace. It's a happy situation when two organizations who love straight up fights find themselves toe-to-toe. Your hit and run squads are noted, but your tactical success should stand on its own without need for the above tripe.
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 17:27:00 - [115] Originally by: Mistress Suffering 3 Slammer's Republic Carriers Orly? Well that wont defeat them! Lilan Kahn > O/ Lilan Kahn > got a new carrier? Alois Hammer > o/ Alois Hammer > yep Alois Hammer > my attle one Alois Hammer > battle Alois Hammer > the first 2 were transport carriers Note: thats 'transport carriers' fitted with a full rack of PDU's in the lows and a non-capital shield tank... ----------
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:08:00 - [116] Alois didn't need those carriers anyways.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:20:00 - [117] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Alois didn't need those carriers anyways. Cake ?
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:21:00 - [118] Edited by: Sapphrine on 14/08/2007 18:22:05 I'd like it noted that Emistal took his (chimera) loss well and fought well given the circumstance. He was trapped and this time we were able to break him. He has survived a number of attempts to drop him in the past so this particular kill was most satisfying. Well fought Emistal. edited to specify Emi's ship
Mistress Suffering Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.08.14 18:52:00 - [119] Actually that whole fight was unusually ballsy from the Slammer's crew. The first carrier was originally bait to try to draw our smaller gang into a fight against a very large Sylph gang behind them. As the Sylph gang started to disperse we made our move. Rather than just leave their lightly defended carrier to die alone, they tried to buy him time by warping two more in and additional support while the second gang ran for it. Clouds of fighters, giant gangs on the way, cyno alts in system, and much mayhem. Our FC made the right call and pressed the attack, finishing off the first carrier and catching the second as they tried to escape. The backup gang hesitated, we cleared the remaining group, and our own numbers continued to grow. As much as I'm generally pretty down on Slammer's, I think they did their best to bail out a friend in need, and I respect that.
chrisreeves Gallente Asgard Protectorate Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.14 19:25:00 - [120] Edited by: chrisreeves on 14/08/2007 19:25:43 Originally by: Elendar You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad. Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm Actually, before we left ISS a few months ago because of poor management decisions, Count related to me on ventrilo several thing's, one of which was the fact that he did not handle the butter thing correctly and how Count had basically lied about that situation. If you search (or know) my history you will know that I took Count/ISS's side about that and other matters but unfortunately found out the reality in the end. ----------------- Originally by: kieron The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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