Originally by: Sapphrine

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You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)

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Originally by: Xeron Silverblade

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)

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i'm sure i am ;-) but no, just want to go there for occational ratting. it's been some time since i last went there.. and lots of things changed since... that's why i'm asking ;-)

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:

* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves

And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Originally by: Chode Rizoum

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CI is claiming providence

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Originally by: Layrex

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I often rat there as it tends to be one of the quieter 0.0 regions. The only significant trouble i've had is Cruel Intentions.

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Layrex

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I often rat there as it tends to be one of the quieter 0.0 regions. The only significant trouble i've had is Cruel Intentions.

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We shall send a survey team over, take full mesures on your state and opinion

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Originally by: Layrex

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Layrex

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I often rat there as it tends to be one of the quieter 0.0 regions. The only significant trouble i've had is Cruel Intentions.

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We shall send a survey team over, take full mesures on your state and opinion

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What?

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Originally by: Chode Rizoum

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CI is claiming providence

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=485975

CVA hold majority of OP with Sylph holding IS-. Providence is a free fire zone to U'K and alot of CVA's opportunistic allies are currently feeling the heat as they're under constant attack from other regional forces. CVA and co tend to operate NRDS, majority of other forces will shoot you for using and supporting CVA space.

You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.

I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.

I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.

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When you call your support fleet meatshields you do them a big disservice. You should respect those who are willing to throw their own assets on the line to keep you from getting ripped apart.

Next time you're able to absolutely annihilate some battleships because some guy had the testicular fortitude to fly right through the enemy blob while damping, jamming and tackling you'd best think about what you called them today. A sniper fleet is nothing without their support gang.

They're the people who win the day, they're the people who are willing to charge headlong into battle against all odds to keep the enemy from stomping you into oblivion.

These people are the key to your fleets success or failure. They don't get top on the killmails, they don't field the most expensive ships, they don't ask for anything more than to keep the fleet alive and winning.

Your disrespect is absolutely disgusting. Someday you'll find yourself heading into hull and nobody will be around to throw some repair drones on you or damp the person making short work of you.

You must be one hilariously big failure of a pilot if you'd treat support as nothing more than "meatshields".

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.

I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.

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When you call your support fleet meatshields you do them a big disservice. You should respect those who are willing to throw their own assets on the line to keep you from getting ripped apart.

Next time you're able to absolutely annihilate some battleships because some guy had the testicular fortitude to fly right through the enemy blob while damping, jamming and tackling you'd best think about what you called them today. A sniper fleet is nothing without their support gang.

They're the people who win the day, they're the people who are willing to charge headlong into battle against all odds to keep the enemy from stomping you into oblivion.

These people are the key to your fleets success or failure. They don't get top on the killmails, they don't field the most expensive ships, they don't ask for anything more than to keep the fleet alive and winning.

Your disrespect is absolutely disgusting. Someday you'll find yourself heading into hull and nobody will be around to throw some repair drones on you or damp the person making short work of you.

You must be one hilariously big failure of a pilot if you'd treat support as nothing more than "meatshields".

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Bait sinker hook

i love they fall for it every singel time

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.

I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.

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When you call your support fleet meatshields you do them a big disservice. You should respect those who are willing to throw their own assets on the line to keep you from getting ripped apart.

Next time you're able to absolutely annihilate some battleships because some guy had the testicular fortitude to fly right through the enemy blob while damping, jamming and tackling you'd best think about what you called them today. A sniper fleet is nothing without their support gang.

They're the people who win the day, they're the people who are willing to charge headlong into battle against all odds to keep the enemy from stomping you into oblivion.

These people are the key to your fleets success or failure. They don't get top on the killmails, they don't field the most expensive ships, they don't ask for anything more than to keep the fleet alive and winning.

Your disrespect is absolutely disgusting. Someday you'll find yourself heading into hull and nobody will be around to throw some repair drones on you or damp the person making short work of you.

You must be one hilariously big failure of a pilot if you'd treat support as nothing more than "meatshields".

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Why are talking to me as if BUM use pet alliances as meatshields? We have no pets and nor do we wish for any, we do our own dirty work. We support our snipers with point defence and dictors, not suicide gangs.

Anyway, here are the facts you seem oblivious to;

CVA blob their pets on the gate, depsite zero PvP skill, as nothing more than a delaying tactic when hostile forces jump though. Nothing wrong with that - it works for them. But don't pretend there is any glory in dying needlessly when a couple of dictors would do the job better and with less 'pet' casualties (but so long as they don't show on CVA's killboard I doubt they care).

Its all about participation. A lot of the CVA pets cannot fight their way out of a paper bag, but when mommy CVA ask them to participate they dutifully step in line. CVA are then presented with a load of poorly fitted Drakes, Caracals and Ravens which are of no use whatsoever other than cannon fodder.

But, despite the fact that the only support snipers needs is point defence and dictors, they choose to blob their pets on gates so the fire is directed at them rather than the more expensively fitted (and useful) CVA ships.

Don't pretend there is any glory in being a CVA pet. You're relegated to the status of an expendable slave, and treated accordingly.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Again you continue to refer to support as meatshields, be it your own or not. The point is flying so far above your head that it's become a danger to local aircraft.

These people do as they do for the greater good. Poorly fitted Drakes and Tech 1 fitted Ravens sounds like decent enough support material to me. Of course there is always going to be a superior support gang consisting of role specific T2 ships. Showing up in anything just shows they're there for CVA and willing to help no matter what.

Give me 20 poorly fitted but loyal pilots over 60 pilots like yourself. You who would mock those that would show up in a Raven. They could easily bring Tech 1 frigates but they don't. They're bringing the best they can field, they're doing the best they can given the situation and to the best of their ability.

You're a fool for not celebrating these pilots, an ignorant disrespectful pilot who has no business being in a fleet.

These pilots could leave at any time and find something else to do in EVE, perhaps join a different alliance, perhaps go to Empire, who knows. Yet they stay and fight with their fleet. They'll bear the brunt of insults from tools like yourself, they'll keep putting their assets right in the middle of the fight. They'll show up, they'll fight, some will die, some will not. Pets? No, they're members of the fleet, just as important as the sniper sitting 150km+ from the gate, just as important as the hauler pilot sitting in the POS with extra ammo.

The disrespect you show the enemy fleets support speaks volumes about how much you really value your own.

You've got nothing on these pilots Butter Dog and you never will.

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