Originally by: Sapphrine

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You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)

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Originally by: Xeron Silverblade

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)

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i'm sure i am ;-) but no, just want to go there for occational ratting. it's been some time since i last went there.. and lots of things changed since... that's why i'm asking ;-)

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:

* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves

And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Originally by: Chode Rizoum

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CI is claiming providence

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Originally by: Layrex

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I often rat there as it tends to be one of the quieter 0.0 regions. The only significant trouble i've had is Cruel Intentions.

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Layrex

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I often rat there as it tends to be one of the quieter 0.0 regions. The only significant trouble i've had is Cruel Intentions.

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We shall send a survey team over, take full mesures on your state and opinion

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Originally by: Layrex

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Layrex

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I often rat there as it tends to be one of the quieter 0.0 regions. The only significant trouble i've had is Cruel Intentions.

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We shall send a survey team over, take full mesures on your state and opinion

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What?

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Originally by: Chode Rizoum

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CI is claiming providence

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=485975

CVA hold majority of OP with Sylph holding IS-. Providence is a free fire zone to U'K and alot of CVA's opportunistic allies are currently feeling the heat as they're under constant attack from other regional forces. CVA and co tend to operate NRDS, majority of other forces will shoot you for using and supporting CVA space.

You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.

I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.

I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.

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When you call your support fleet meatshields you do them a big disservice. You should respect those who are willing to throw their own assets on the line to keep you from getting ripped apart.

Next time you're able to absolutely annihilate some battleships because some guy had the testicular fortitude to fly right through the enemy blob while damping, jamming and tackling you'd best think about what you called them today. A sniper fleet is nothing without their support gang.

They're the people who win the day, they're the people who are willing to charge headlong into battle against all odds to keep the enemy from stomping you into oblivion.

These people are the key to your fleets success or failure. They don't get top on the killmails, they don't field the most expensive ships, they don't ask for anything more than to keep the fleet alive and winning.

Your disrespect is absolutely disgusting. Someday you'll find yourself heading into hull and nobody will be around to throw some repair drones on you or damp the person making short work of you.

You must be one hilariously big failure of a pilot if you'd treat support as nothing more than "meatshields".

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.

I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.

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When you call your support fleet meatshields you do them a big disservice. You should respect those who are willing to throw their own assets on the line to keep you from getting ripped apart.

Next time you're able to absolutely annihilate some battleships because some guy had the testicular fortitude to fly right through the enemy blob while damping, jamming and tackling you'd best think about what you called them today. A sniper fleet is nothing without their support gang.

They're the people who win the day, they're the people who are willing to charge headlong into battle against all odds to keep the enemy from stomping you into oblivion.

These people are the key to your fleets success or failure. They don't get top on the killmails, they don't field the most expensive ships, they don't ask for anything more than to keep the fleet alive and winning.

Your disrespect is absolutely disgusting. Someday you'll find yourself heading into hull and nobody will be around to throw some repair drones on you or damp the person making short work of you.

You must be one hilariously big failure of a pilot if you'd treat support as nothing more than "meatshields".

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Bait sinker hook

i love they fall for it every singel time

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Don't knock on CVA for doing something smart. Quickly, cover yourself, your ignorance is showing.

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Far from it, I am not mocking CVA. I give them full credit for using their meatshields effectively.

I am merely highlighting the reality of life in Providence for a CVA 'pet'.

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When you call your support fleet meatshields you do them a big disservice. You should respect those who are willing to throw their own assets on the line to keep you from getting ripped apart.

Next time you're able to absolutely annihilate some battleships because some guy had the testicular fortitude to fly right through the enemy blob while damping, jamming and tackling you'd best think about what you called them today. A sniper fleet is nothing without their support gang.

They're the people who win the day, they're the people who are willing to charge headlong into battle against all odds to keep the enemy from stomping you into oblivion.

These people are the key to your fleets success or failure. They don't get top on the killmails, they don't field the most expensive ships, they don't ask for anything more than to keep the fleet alive and winning.

Your disrespect is absolutely disgusting. Someday you'll find yourself heading into hull and nobody will be around to throw some repair drones on you or damp the person making short work of you.

You must be one hilariously big failure of a pilot if you'd treat support as nothing more than "meatshields".

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Why are talking to me as if BUM use pet alliances as meatshields? We have no pets and nor do we wish for any, we do our own dirty work. We support our snipers with point defence and dictors, not suicide gangs.

Anyway, here are the facts you seem oblivious to;

CVA blob their pets on the gate, depsite zero PvP skill, as nothing more than a delaying tactic when hostile forces jump though. Nothing wrong with that - it works for them. But don't pretend there is any glory in dying needlessly when a couple of dictors would do the job better and with less 'pet' casualties (but so long as they don't show on CVA's killboard I doubt they care).

Its all about participation. A lot of the CVA pets cannot fight their way out of a paper bag, but when mommy CVA ask them to participate they dutifully step in line. CVA are then presented with a load of poorly fitted Drakes, Caracals and Ravens which are of no use whatsoever other than cannon fodder.

But, despite the fact that the only support snipers needs is point defence and dictors, they choose to blob their pets on gates so the fire is directed at them rather than the more expensively fitted (and useful) CVA ships.

Don't pretend there is any glory in being a CVA pet. You're relegated to the status of an expendable slave, and treated accordingly.

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Again you continue to refer to support as meatshields, be it your own or not. The point is flying so far above your head that it's become a danger to local aircraft.

These people do as they do for the greater good. Poorly fitted Drakes and Tech 1 fitted Ravens sounds like decent enough support material to me. Of course there is always going to be a superior support gang consisting of role specific T2 ships. Showing up in anything just shows they're there for CVA and willing to help no matter what.

Give me 20 poorly fitted but loyal pilots over 60 pilots like yourself. You who would mock those that would show up in a Raven. They could easily bring Tech 1 frigates but they don't. They're bringing the best they can field, they're doing the best they can given the situation and to the best of their ability.

You're a fool for not celebrating these pilots, an ignorant disrespectful pilot who has no business being in a fleet.

These pilots could leave at any time and find something else to do in EVE, perhaps join a different alliance, perhaps go to Empire, who knows. Yet they stay and fight with their fleet. They'll bear the brunt of insults from tools like yourself, they'll keep putting their assets right in the middle of the fight. They'll show up, they'll fight, some will die, some will not. Pets? No, they're members of the fleet, just as important as the sniper sitting 150km+ from the gate, just as important as the hauler pilot sitting in the POS with extra ammo.

The disrespect you show the enemy fleets support speaks volumes about how much you really value your own.

You've got nothing on these pilots Butter Dog and you never will.

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Originally by: Hardin

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CVA has no pets. People help us because they want to help us and that is because we spend the majority of our time helping them. The neutrals that you dismiss as 'pets' do not pay us rent nor are they forced to help. They do so because they know that CVA space is the one area where they can go about their business unmolested and without interference from some 'overlord'.

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Originally by: Hardin

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I am sure many of the neutrals that live in our area would actually prefer if CVA involved them more...

We don't use anyone as 'meatshields'. Anyone involved in one of our operations knows exactly what they are getting into and their role in the fleet.

Yes sometimes 'neutrals' are used as bait primarily because YOU and many of the other raiders in Providence run a mile at the merest sniff of a CVA ship because you know we are gonna kick your arse.

Just last week we had some HUGE fights with Cruel Intentions in R3.

(A slight digression - Cruel Intentions is an alliance that I respect. They really bring it. They know what they are doing and they are not afraid to fight outnumbered - nor do they spend their time smacking on the forums. I would suggest that you - and I mean you in particular (not BUM as a whole because I actually like many BUM pilots) - should take some lessons from them because constant forum smack unsupported by ingame action really looks pitiful.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Your clear attempt to try and divide CVA from its friends in Providence is transparent and demonstrates your lack of ability to damage CVA in any other way...

Your fairland analysis really does you no favours apart from generating ridicule amongst those who know the facts.

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Originally by: hardin

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I know we podded you last week and you are probably a little upset over that but seriously stop with the forum warfare and just bring it.

We are waiting!

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Originally by: Hardin

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Your fairland analysis really does you no favours apart from generating ridicule amongst those who know the facts.

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Originally by: Hardin

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I love being accused of spin by someone who's sole occupation seems to be forum whoring.

Butterdog I am not going to go through your post line by line and ONCE AGAIN point out all the inaccuracies and nonsense.

By all means continue to spout your drivel about CVA and all the other good people who live in Providence because, when all is said and done, your linguistic flatulence on these forums amounts to nothing.

When you finally pose a serious threat in space (and by threat I mean something other than the occasional raiding party) then I may take you a little more seriously because as it stands all you are is an amusing distraction from my work

Seriously I know you have to make BUM look good on the forums - recruiting is never easy - and who knows you may even fool a few people into believing you and joining the anti-CVA crusade, but in the end actions speak louder than words...

As I said in the top post just bring it. Stop with the forum whoring and excuses and show us what you are made of.

By all means continue to pen your cloud cuckoo land hypotheses and misguided analysis about why CVA are such bad guys and continue to amuse us all...

While you are doing that CVA will continue its holy work to secure Providence on behalf of the Amarr Empire (and all law-abiding neutrals)...

I will leave you to it

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Hardin

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CVA has no pets. People help us because they want to help us and that is because we spend the majority of our time helping them. The neutrals that you dismiss as 'pets' do not pay us rent nor are they forced to help. They do so because they know that CVA space is the one area where they can go about their business unmolested and without interference from some 'overlord'.

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Oh, Hardin. Ever the master of comedic spin. Being told that the CVA have no pets is akin to the Pope distancing himself from the Catholic church.

You impose all manner of rules on your pet alliances, including coercing them into following your standings list.

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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I have yet to see a situation where, faced with 5-20 ships, cva doesn't bring 2-4x our number + at least double our capitals. I'm sorry but if you honestly expect us to 'bring it' vs that then you're simply deluded.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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As you identified though, CVA have a reputation for blobbing. That has been built through consistent experience. Maybe you're trying to change your ways but one fight does not change your pattern of behaviour.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Hardin

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Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not.

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Wrong.

Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies.

We've been VERY successful.

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Hardin

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Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not.

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Wrong.

Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies.

We've been VERY successful.

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics.

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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This thread needs more me

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Originally by: Hardin

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If you want to blame your lack of results against us on a 'CVA blob' then please do so, it is a useful excuse.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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This thread needs more me

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Very true

I will enjoy debating these issues with BD on Saturday at the London **** up

/emote goes out to buy bullet proof vest

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Hardin

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Your campaign by your own admittance comes down to 'incoveniencing our logistics'. If you were even doing that I would have to give you some credit - but you are not.

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Wrong.

Our campaign is about bringing death to your allies.

We've been VERY successful.

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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Whilst we can not stop CVA holding space, we can most certainly inconvenience your logistics.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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This thread needs more me

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Very true

I will enjoy debating these issues with BD on Saturday at the London **** up

/emote goes out to buy bullet proof vest

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Originally by: Garreck

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To the OP:

snip lots of useful advise

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Originally by: Hardin

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There will be a CVA blob

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Originally by: Garreck

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Edited by: Garreck on 13/08/2007 15:13:41

Originally by: Butter Dog

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You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special.

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Ratings which are a bit skewed based on BUM's involvement in a massive coallition to prevent CVA from taking 9uy...a coallition that included the likes of TOXIN and The Establishment...a coallition that packed a titan and multiple motherships.

And a coallition that ultimately failed to hold the system, though they cost us several capital ships, giving BUM a nice ratio against the CVA.

Which is why "efficiency rating" has never rated quite so high on CVA priorities as "results."

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Originally by: Hardin

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There will be a CVA blob

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Originally by: Ifni

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Originally by: Hardin

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There will be a CVA blob

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oshi...

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Originally by: Garreck

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To the OP:

If excitement (plus better NPCs than low sec) is what you're looking for, Providence has plenty of it. It's a fairly poor region in terms of ore and NPCs, but it's got more to offer in that regard than .1 or above.

CVA claims sovereignty in the majority of Providence, and enforce NRDS (Not Red, Don't Shoot) througout the whole of Providence. Where the misconception comes in that CVA has pets of any kind is that, quite simply, any organization who refused to operate NRDS was removed, allowing organizations with a more open-minded, open-space policy to flourish. (The only exception to our anti-NBSI campaign was Ushra'Khan...they also operated NRDS but were our primary roleplay targets.)

If you want to fly in Providence, nothing will be asked of you...except that you do not shoot at anything that has not proved hostile to you. If you get into contact with a CVA pilot in-game, more information can be provided to you that will hopefully facilitate your survival in 0.0, (to include a list of "badguys" so that you don't have to wait until you're already being shot at to know someone is hostile to you,) but the bottom line is keep your situational awareness up and you'll be okay. [..]

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Originally by: Garreck

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CVA respond quickly, but we don't "spawn" a-la CONCORD unfortunately

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Originally by: Garreck

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Edited by: Garreck on 13/08/2007 15:13:41

Originally by: Butter Dog

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You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special.

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Ratings which are a bit skewed based on BUM's involvement in a massive coallition to prevent CVA from taking 9uy...a coallition that included the likes of TOXIN and The Establishment...a coallition that packed a titan and multiple motherships.

And a coallition that ultimately failed to hold the system, though they cost us several capital ships, giving BUM a nice ratio against the CVA.

Which is why "efficiency rating" has never rated quite so high on CVA priorities as "results."

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We had the majority of capitals present in system, toxin wasnt around for many of the fights, ev0ke wasnt around for many of the fights.

We are small True, but we pack a punch for a our size alot of medium size alliances cant match

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Originally by: Vyktor Abyss

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I'm keeping this simple for you Butterdog.

I am a neutral. I live in Providence. I like to fight. I like to do this alone mostly, but sometimes I like to do this with friends. I like explosions. I have seen many explosions. My enemies sometimes explode. I sometimes explode. My friends sometimes explode. I like CVA because they help me make my enemies explode.

I like Cruel Intentions being in Providence. They are fun to fight. No smacktalk. Even on the forums. They use a variety of tactics. Not just cloakers and nanoships. But also a lot of cloakers and nanoships. Well set up ships. Great for those like me who want to PVP. Great fun making them explode.

CVA are not my masters. I explode things freely of my own will. I set people that attack neutrals to red. I make red things explode. You are a red thing. I've not made you explode. You once made me explode in Sylph space. You never come to upper providence. You spend too long in Catch. In Catch you find a safe spot and write on the forums. On the forums you disrespect people calling them CVA pets and meatshields. I wish you would come to upper providence. We could make more explosions. You dont come to upper providence though. You are scared your ships will explode. You prefer to sit in safespot letting Cruel Intentions to help make explosions. I respect Cruel Intentions. I do not respect you.

Simple.

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Well bum is takeing a day off doing some team building ruing level 4 missions, plans also includ spider reping kestrells doing level 5 missions later maybe

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Originally by: Hardin

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The CVA has never forced anyone to come to Providence. The CVA has never forced anyone to fight for us. The CVA has never told people to adopt our KOS lists. They have done so out of their own choice.

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Originally by: ARC Harpy

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Also, Butter Dog your a complete Idiot, about Fleet Tactics, and PvP it seems.

Hardin Cut out to this ****en Bull****ting Propogranda about CVA.

To all the neutrals out there, I hope to see you on battlefield, also my Main which is not Dragonlord, is going to come to Provi soon to teach Provi Residence about combat, and ethics behind that.

Let's this Forum War Continue...

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Originally by: EveJoker

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I guess The Imperial Order would be one such example alliance. Must make your pets most comfortable knowing thats the treatment they get from you if they step out of line. Great example of someone who didnt adopt your KOS list.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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What is the CVA stance on this on Providence?

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Originally by: Garreck

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Nobody is ever required to do anything for the CVA...but if they are going to shoot, they're asked to not shoot neutrals.

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Originally by: Garreck

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More to the point, they didn't adopt our NRDS policy. And, yes, I'm sure it makes the locals feel very comfortable to know that CVA does its best to take on NBSI organizations head-on in Providence.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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It sounds like CVA are basically saying 'follow our standings or get out' because frankly what other realistic choice is there, other than you individually approving or rejecting each standings change. Quite clearly a pet alliance CANNOT make an independent decision on who to set red, for fear of displeasing the CVA.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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I should also mention...watch out for ebil people like CI

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Originally by: Cipher7

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Providence is currently under the control of forces who engage in slave trading (CVA) who profit from commerce in Providence.

For this reason, Providence is considered a free-fire zone by anti-slavery forces.

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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar

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although CVA tend to fly a lot of huginns and rapiers, not only has that messed with our nano gangs, it's a bit odd in terms of role play

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Originally by: Murukan

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if you want to take advantage of providence i highly suggest bringing your bs down and jumping from misaba to r3. Then you can go out into provi and take advantage of the phat lewtz. Don't worry about a scout, cva keep r3 safe 24/7 so just jump on in.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Butterdog, stop with the bull****, seriously.

CVA has no pets. People help us because they want to help us and that is because we spend the majority of our time helping them. The neutrals that you dismiss as 'pets' do not pay us rent nor are they forced to help. They do so because they know that CVA space is the one area where they can go about their business unmolested and without interference from some 'overlord'.

It is CVA that puts its fleets on the line night after night and we rarely even ask for help from our allies unless we are outmatched/outblobbed ourselves.

I am sure many of the neutrals that live in our area would actually prefer if CVA involved them more...

We don't use anyone as 'meatshields'. Anyone involved in one of our operations knows exactly what they are getting into and their role in the fleet.

Yes sometimes 'neutrals' are used as bait primarily because YOU and many of the other raiders in Providence run a mile at the merest sniff of a CVA ship because you know we are gonna kick your arse.

Just last week we had some HUGE fights with Cruel Intentions in R3.

(A slight digression - Cruel Intentions is an alliance that I respect. They really bring it. They know what they are doing and they are not afraid to fight outnumbered - nor do they spend their time smacking on the forums. I would suggest that you - and I mean you in particular (not BUM as a whole because I actually like many BUM pilots) - should take some lessons from them because constant forum smack unsupported by ingame action really looks pitiful.

Anyway, back on the subject of our fights with CI, we did request 'neutral' help on a few occasions because at certain times we don't have the capability to kick 'em out on our own. No shame in admitting that.

Yes neutrals lost ships in those engagements - but go look at CI's killboards - CVA lost even more. We don't ask anyone to do anything we don't do ourselves.

In one of the fights we used CVA as the bait with friendlies coming in later. In another we had the friendlies in first with CVA arriving later. The strategies used depend on the circumstances and whatever we feel will produce the best outcome not some crude decision to let 'meatshields' take the losses.

Your clear attempt to try and divide CVA from its friends in Providence is transparent and demonstrates your lack of ability to damage CVA in any other way...

Your fairland analysis really does you no favours apart from generating ridicule amongst those who know the facts.

I know we podded you last week and you are probably a little upset over that but seriously stop with the forum warfare and just bring it.

We are waiting!

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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It sounds like CVA are basically saying 'follow our standings or get out' because frankly what other realistic choice is there, other than you individually approving or rejecting each standings change. Quite clearly a pet alliance CANNOT make an independent decision on who to set red, for fear of displeasing the CVA.

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In essence, you're right on the money, though you say it like it's a bad thing (understandable, as you've plenty of reason to dislike the CVA.)

Understand, of course, that the standings we set are based upon a) our roleplay (which we have never asked any of our neutrals to support...support has been volunteered) and b) acts of piracy. So, in essence, our kill list is less a demand and more a service: if you see a CVA red in Providence, get safe or get friends because you're about to get dead.

The alternative, of course, is NBSI...where we randomly shoot anyone we please if positive standings are not set. This is not the way CVA choose to operate.

Instead, we run constant patrols providing tactical protection to neutrals in Providence, and we spend large sums of isk to build useable infrastructure for neutral parties in what is supposed to be a dead region. In return for our efforts in our space...all we ask is that if people want shooty in Providence, they shoot known badguys.

Predictably, our enemies try to make this sound like some sort of oppressive regime. In an out of character forum, which is a bit bizarre. And they say the roleplayers take things too seriously...

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Originally by: Skarvl Mandoo

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Butter Dog still seems to be bitter from the beatdown CVA dropped on ISS back in the day. What was it? 40-1 kill ratio? CVA are still playing the game with some honor. Ex-ISS should take a page from their book.

btw, the Harry Potter themed sigs are lame

This is my main.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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'the truth'

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Okay, so I am curious.

What if an entity hostile to CVA wishes to focus only on the CVA. They therefore set CVA red, and operate strict NRDS in Providence.

What would CVA's stance on this be? Would they spare their pets from bloodshed or insist on a standings match?

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Originally by: Cipher7

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Originally by: Skarvl Mandoo

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Butter Dog still seems to be bitter from the beatdown CVA dropped on ISS back in the day. What was it? 40-1 kill ratio? CVA are still playing the game with some honor. Ex-ISS should take a page from their book.

btw, the Harry Potter themed sigs are lame

This is my main.

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Oh shnap. That's cold.

\o/ Forum pvp

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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Also, this could be a conversation point for sat :P

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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I don't need it getting out that I'm a secret internet spaceship geek

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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indeed, made for an interesting read Hardin.

Now for another question. What would happen if those around you made a deal with those usually less friendly forces who operate NBSI around providence. For arguments sake (so take the humour from this all involved) what would be the response to Sylph napping BUM? By that I mean they would not fire on us and we would not fire on them. If they were in a joint gang with cva, they would not engage bum pilots etc etc.

I ask mainly because it led to the rather large headache I ended up fielding as an FC many times in U'K and would be interested in your thoughts on how you guys might tackle it. Also, this could be a conversation point for sat :P

p.s. does your blob drink whisky or tequila? :P

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Originally by: Hardin

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(snip politics)

Finally, this particular part of the blob drinks Tequila!

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Xeron Silverblade

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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You're most welcome if you're planning to bring haulers full of loot though :)

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i'm sure i am ;-) but no, just want to go there for occational ratting. it's been some time since i last went there.. and lots of things changed since... that's why i'm asking ;-)

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Being honest, I wouldn't recommend it. Providence is constantly raided by a lot of competent PvP groups. If you want ISK stick to L4 missions.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:

* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves

And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.

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Originally by: DenverThe LastDinosaur

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Are you speaking about ex ISS in cloaked ceptors ganking noobs in the pipes?

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Originally by: Elendar

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:

* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves

And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.

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What butty is saying, is that if you fail at pvp like him providence is a bad place to be

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/08/2007 15:43:56

Originally by: Elendar

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:

* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves

And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.

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What butty is saying, is that if you fail at pvp like him providence is a bad place to be

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You might want to check our KB before accusing us of failing, Ms Troll. Btw, nice to see BoB giving you permission to post... how are you finding life as a pet now the tide is turning in the other direction?

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Originally by: Elendar

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Edited by: Butter Dog on 14/08/2007 15:43:56

Originally by: Elendar

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:

* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves

And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.

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What butty is saying, is that if you fail at pvp like him providence is a bad place to be

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You might want to check our KB before accusing us of failing, Ms Troll. Btw, nice to see BoB giving you permission to post... how are you finding life as a pet now the tide is turning in the other direction?

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You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad.

Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm

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Originally by: Elendar

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You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad.

Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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As for residents counting on CVA to defend them in their home turf of Misaba/R3, this seems fairly unlikely as I notice all the CVA leadership has relocated down to 9UY to put some distance between themselves as Cruel Intentions who hold court there now.

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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3 Slammer's Republic Carriers

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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio

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Alois didn't need those carriers anyways.

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Originally by: Elendar

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You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad.
Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm

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Originally by: kieron

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The Ibis was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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This thread needs more me

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Very true

I will enjoy debating these issues with BD on Saturday at the London **** up

/emote goes out to buy bullet proof vest

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Originally by: Solusar

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Originally by: Hardin

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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This thread needs more me

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Very true

I will enjoy debating these issues with BD on Saturday at the London **** up

/emote goes out to buy bullet proof vest

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We don't just blob in eve, we have butter's nicely blobbed at the London meet as well

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Originally by: Elendar

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You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad.

Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm

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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio

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Did BUM just find an abandoned Thanatos in a trash bin? I heard it through the g*****vine.

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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio

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Providence definitely has one of the greatest respawn rates of any region after leaving it for a month.

It certainly feels like a Carrier tree after the past few days.

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Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio

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Did BUM just find an abandoned Thanatos in a trash bin? I heard it through the g*****vine.

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Originally by: Mynas Atoch

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Originally by: Elendar

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You sir, got kicked from the ISS navy for being bad.

Life as a pet is good, there are regular fluffles, and the punishment...mmmm

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Please, try not to make a prat of yourself like that wheh you really don't know what you are talking about. I know its the internet and all, but those of us who were involved in Butter Dog's Meltdown really just feel embarrassed for you.

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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As for residents counting on CVA to defend them in their home turf of Misaba/R3, this seems fairly unlikely as I notice all the CVA leadership has relocated down to 9UY to put some distance between themselves as Cruel Intentions who hold court there now. Ah well, I'm sure they had your best interest in mind in doing so...

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Originally by: kincajou niten

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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As for residents counting on CVA to defend them in their home turf of Misaba/R3, this seems fairly unlikely as I notice all the CVA leadership has relocated down to 9UY to put some distance between themselves as Cruel Intentions who hold court there now. Ah well, I'm sure they had your best interest in mind in doing so...

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There is no such thing as distance with correct sov and some cool toys after RevII ;-)

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Originally by: Solusar

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Edited by: Solusar on 15/08/2007 15:34:08
Butters, just accept that no one here takes you seriously and never will, you do more to hurt the credibility of BUM than any amount of defeats and bad decisions ever could. If I didn't know better I would wonder how much you are getting paid for this service.

I don't think thread could get more off topic if you tried, but keep going.

Your nano squads that run at the first sign of trouble can be annoying at times but at the end of the day you jump into esa at the first sign of CVA ships entering y-mp. You kill lone npc'ers and people travelling without scouts, that can be said of every single low sec and 0.0 region in EVE.

We are having fun fighting CI and their friends and im sure they are having fun fighting us, at the end of the day that is what matters. We fight them outnumbered and they fight us outnumbered. If you understood how fighting in eve works then maybe you would stop complaining about "blobs" and cva using other providence residents as meat shields. As for the comment that CVA only fight from long range and don't engage up close that just shows how little experience you have fighting CVA other than times that you were forced to during the sieges. But I suppose that is down to the standing orders in BUM not to engage CVA.

Pulse geddons >> Tach geddons

[Edit] Just to add in that in the last 2 weeks of fighting CVA and CI have done roughly 30 billion ISK worth of damage to each other. In our entire time fighting BUM the total tally of all engagements comes to 20 billion over a period of over 6 months keeping in mind that the bum kills include all the fighting in QR and 9UY even if they only had 1 or 2 people in the gangs.

Considering we are hiding from CI in 9UY there seems to be an aweful lot of shooty shooty.

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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seems it have worked at geting you rilled up

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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seems it have worked at geting you rilled up

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Ah! The standard BUM response when baseless smack is met with tangible fact.

Quite simply, speed is the effective means of "safe" pvp at the moment. This makes sense: it offers a realistic option in Eve for geurilla fighting. The issue with speed, though, is that it necessitates numbers on the part of those pursuing...which is an indirect way of saying we could go in circles debating which came first: the nanos or the blob?

Bottom line, though, is that CVA is actively fighting all hostile entities in Providence and any claims to the contrary will be met with facts to support our efforts. Call it "riled up" if that makes you feel better.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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seems it have worked at geting you rilled up

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Ah! The standard BUM response when baseless smack is met with tangible fact.

Quite simply, speed is the effective means of "safe" pvp at the moment. This makes sense: it offers a realistic option in Eve for geurilla fighting. The issue with speed, though, is that it necessitates numbers on the part of those pursuing...which is an indirect way of saying we could go in circles debating which came first: the nanos or the blob?

Bottom line, though, is that CVA is actively fighting all hostile entities in Providence and any claims to the contrary will be met with facts to support our efforts. Call it "riled up" if that makes you feel better.

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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You didn't expect us to come and just die against your blobs now did you?

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Originally by: Mud Pandemonium

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Edited by: Mud Pandemonium on 12/08/2007 20:39:37


Mud, seriously, looking at your sig, have you ever considered cosmetic facial treatment? hydratation, anti wrinckle?

Originally by: Lilan Kahn

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Well so fare you have called every gang we make a nano gang so yup you are quit rilled up

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Originally by: steamy

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get over it, we are not interested in CVA ;-)

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Try reading your own posts, compare them to mine, and tell me who is smacking who here

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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You didn't expect us to come and just die against your blobs now did you?

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Er, yes.

Thats why they sent 60 people in EX that evening, and expected us to jump our carriers on top of them.

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Originally by: Sapphrine

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Your allies attempt to fight where you should be fighting to protect providence from the 'pirates' and you do nothing (of note).

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Originally by: Garreck

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Our responsibility is to protect our space but as multiple BUM have established...you have no interest in coming to our space.

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Originally by: Garreck

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I don't have to work terribly hard to establish that you don't venture much into CVA claimed space, though, because you and yours have been yelling it pretty loudly in this thread for a few pages.

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Originally by: fathitman

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CVA has M-5's support, will help anyway we can.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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We've said we're not targetting CVA, but we operate in Providence every day blowing up your pets and making a mockery of your claim to have secured the region.

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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We've said we're not targetting CVA, but we operate in Providence every day blowing up your pets and making a mockery of your claim to have secured the region.

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If attacking fledlging alliances in Providence and forcing them to learn how to communicate (internally and externally) and operate or, frankly, get wiped out is "making a mockery" of the CVA then laugh away I suppose.

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Well, that was what you hired us for, wasn't it?

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Originally by: Garreck

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Originally by: James Lyrus

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Well, that was what you hired us for, wasn't it?

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I also hired you to keep your mouth shut!!

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Originally by: Solusar

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I suppose that is down to the standing orders in BUM not to engage CVA.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Originally by: kincajou niten

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Originally by: Mistress Suffering

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As for residents counting on CVA to defend them in their home turf of Misaba/R3, this seems fairly unlikely as I notice all the CVA leadership has relocated down to 9UY to put some distance between themselves as Cruel Intentions who hold court there now. Ah well, I'm sure they had your best interest in mind in doing so...

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There is no such thing as distance with correct sov and some cool toys after RevII ;-)

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Which begs the question what you are all doing in 9UY when CI are >>>>> that way

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Originally by: Don ZOLA

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CVA did great job in securing that region tbh, ive never seen such higly populated low sec space like in misaba area. Plenty of indy`s, npcers, mission runners and obviously they feel safe, also lots of travelers trough near 0.0. I cant comment on other parts of providence cuz im too lasy to go there but as i already stated misaba area is obvious evidence of a well done job.

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Originally by: Kaganis Warmonkey

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Originally by: Solusar

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I suppose that is down to the standing orders in BUM not to engage CVA.

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We have?

Wow, it's not mentioned anywhere on our forums. Or in Alliance mail. You must have amazing spies to know a standing order that we don't have!

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Originally by: Garreck

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I, for one, can state with a high degree of certainty that Providence is one of the safer regions of 0.0 for people to "get their feet wet" in...and I can state with a high degree of certainty that it is CVA's efforts that have made it so.

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Originally by: joefishy

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People need to realise CVA is the dogs *******s.
People thing its a easy target.
Huge respect to CVA
Keep the best fights i have in eve coming.

Joey
xx

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Originally by: Mattduk

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BUM have then been forced into a smack war regarding their tactics, their targets, their choice of alcholohic beverage... I'm waiting for choice of toilet paper brand. I'm curious!

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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come to think of it, do we have *any* standing orders?

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Originally by: Ifni

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I once shot Hardin.

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Originally by: Butter Dog

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Don't listen to Pezzle, CVA just want more meatshields... it goes something like this:

* CVA announce a 'joint operation for the benefit of a secure Providence'
* They all fit T2 snipers and sit safely off a gate
* All their pets with zero PvP skill blob on the gate
* 'Evil' PvPers jump in
* All the pilots from their pet alliances die (usually in drakes and ravens), whilst CVA pop ships from a safe distance in their tachyon geddons, chuckling to themselves

And thats pretty much life in Providence for a CVA pet... plus you die repeatedly when these kind of debacles arent going on, to roaming gank squads since CVA can't secure all the entrances.

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Originally by: Alois Hammer

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Ahhh..i love reading the stuff that comes out of BUM"s.............

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Quote:

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All that matters is that both sides have fun and that both sides act honourably on the battlefield.

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