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Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:21:00 - [61] Originally by: Garreck To the OP: snip lots of useful advise I'd also suggest that you ask to be added to cva intel channels once you've proven you're not a spy to them. Assuming they're reassured enough then you'll have access to some quite respectable forward intelligence. The alternative ofc. is to be someone fighting CVA and have all the fun of the fair on that side of the fence complete with similar lists of intelligence channels etc. etc. the choice, as they say, is yours :)
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:23:00 - [62] Edited by: Sapphrine on 13/08/2007 15:24:14 Originally by: Hardin There will be a CVA blob Then we'll just have to have our own blob (for the eve meet). :) edited to avoid it getting misquoted at a later date
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:28:00 - [63] Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 13/08/2007 15:13:41 Originally by: Butter Dog You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special. Ratings which are a bit skewed based on BUM's involvement in a massive coallition to prevent CVA from taking 9uy...a coallition that included the likes of TOXIN and The Establishment...a coallition that packed a titan and multiple motherships. And a coallition that ultimately failed to hold the system, though they cost us several capital ships, giving BUM a nice ratio against the CVA. Which is why "efficiency rating" has never rated quite so high on CVA priorities as "results." We had the majority of capitals present in system, toxin wasnt around for many of the fights, ev0ke wasnt around for many of the fights. We are small True, but we pack a punch for a our size alot of medium size alliances cant match
Ifni Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:42:00 - [64] Originally by: Hardin There will be a CVA blob oshi... You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:50:00 - [65] Originally by: Ifni Originally by: Hardin There will be a CVA blob oshi... MOAR STABS
Xeron Silverblade Esthar Industries	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:56:00 - [66] Originally by: Garreck To the OP: If excitement (plus better NPCs than low sec) is what you're looking for, Providence has plenty of it. It's a fairly poor region in terms of ore and NPCs, but it's got more to offer in that regard than .1 or above. CVA claims sovereignty in the majority of Providence, and enforce NRDS (Not Red, Don't Shoot) througout the whole of Providence. Where the misconception comes in that CVA has pets of any kind is that, quite simply, any organization who refused to operate NRDS was removed, allowing organizations with a more open-minded, open-space policy to flourish. (The only exception to our anti-NBSI campaign was Ushra'Khan...they also operated NRDS but were our primary roleplay targets.) If you want to fly in Providence, nothing will be asked of you...except that you do not shoot at anything that has not proved hostile to you. If you get into contact with a CVA pilot in-game, more information can be provided to you that will hopefully facilitate your survival in 0.0, (to include a list of "badguys" so that you don't have to wait until you're already being shot at to know someone is hostile to you,) but the bottom line is keep your situational awareness up and you'll be okay. [..] so all providence residents are nrds.. so i'll get my blues from the map ;-) i contacted a cva pilot in the meantime who will hopefully provide me with a list of "baddies". he was a little busy atm but a day or two don't really count ;-) Originally by: Garreck CVA respond quickly, but we don't "spawn" a-la CONCORD unfortunately you should work on that to hardin and butterdog: sry folks, but you're WAY off topic -- (This space intentionally left blank for now)
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation	Posted - 2007.08.13 15:59:00 - [67] I'm keeping this simple for you Butterdog. I am a neutral. I live in Providence. I like to fight. I like to do this alone mostly, but sometimes I like to do this with friends. I like explosions. I have seen many explosions. My enemies sometimes explode. I sometimes explode. My friends sometimes explode. I like CVA because they help me make my enemies explode. I like Cruel Intentions being in Providence. They are fun to fight. No smacktalk. Even on the forums. They use a variety of tactics. Not just cloakers and nanoships. But also a lot of cloakers and nanoships. Well set up ships. Great for those like me who want to PVP. Great fun making them explode. CVA are not my masters. I explode things freely of my own will. I set people that attack neutrals to red. I make red things explode. You are a red thing. I've not made you explode. You once made me explode in Sylph space. You never come to upper providence. You spend too long in Catch. In Catch you find a safe spot and write on the forums. On the forums you disrespect people calling them CVA pets and meatshields. I wish you would come to upper providence. We could make more explosions. You dont come to upper providence though. You are scared your ships will explode. You prefer to sit in safespot letting Cruel Intentions to help make explosions. I respect Cruel Intentions. I do not respect you. Simple. - Ideas are my business...maybe thats why I'm always skint! Please read my ideas
Sapphrine The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 16:02:00 - [68] Beware teh blob! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAKfGjdh5as
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 16:34:00 - [69] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 13/08/2007 15:13:41 Originally by: Butter Dog You might also want to check your own alliances performance against us thus far, which whilst repsectable compared to your pets is nothing particularly special. Ratings which are a bit skewed based on BUM's involvement in a massive coallition to prevent CVA from taking 9uy...a coallition that included the likes of TOXIN and The Establishment...a coallition that packed a titan and multiple motherships. And a coallition that ultimately failed to hold the system, though they cost us several capital ships, giving BUM a nice ratio against the CVA. Which is why "efficiency rating" has never rated quite so high on CVA priorities as "results." We had the majority of capitals present in system, toxin wasnt around for many of the fights, ev0ke wasnt around for many of the fights. We are small True, but we pack a punch for a our size alot of medium size alliances cant match I'd also add that our KB includes their participations too. If there is so much as a CVA pod on a killmail, that counts as a kill for them. So no excuses about participations please :) ----------
Neaghan Grebs Aerial Boundaries Inc. Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 16:42:00 - [70] To the OP: Providence is a nice place to be, we do get the odd visit from some very capable PvP groups, BUM, CI up at Misaba etc. However by making a few friends in the area you'll soon find that intell is available to counter these threats to an extent. Obviously these guys are good and can catch you unawares occasionally or you simply make a mistake but that's life in 0.0 for everyone. Expect a few losses to whoever is red to you and enjoy life in deep space. Empire is boring in comparison because life without a little risk gets old eventually.

Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 16:43:00 - [71] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss I'm keeping this simple for you Butterdog. I am a neutral. I live in Providence. I like to fight. I like to do this alone mostly, but sometimes I like to do this with friends. I like explosions. I have seen many explosions. My enemies sometimes explode. I sometimes explode. My friends sometimes explode. I like CVA because they help me make my enemies explode. I like Cruel Intentions being in Providence. They are fun to fight. No smacktalk. Even on the forums. They use a variety of tactics. Not just cloakers and nanoships. But also a lot of cloakers and nanoships. Well set up ships. Great for those like me who want to PVP. Great fun making them explode. CVA are not my masters. I explode things freely of my own will. I set people that attack neutrals to red. I make red things explode. You are a red thing. I've not made you explode. You once made me explode in Sylph space. You never come to upper providence. You spend too long in Catch. In Catch you find a safe spot and write on the forums. On the forums you disrespect people calling them CVA pets and meatshields. I wish you would come to upper providence. We could make more explosions. You dont come to upper providence though. You are scared your ships will explode. You prefer to sit in safespot letting Cruel Intentions to help make explosions. I respect Cruel Intentions. I do not respect you. Simple. Let me tell you what is even more simple. If we're not based in upper eastern providence, and you are, then you are unlikely to run into us. We rarely go near Misaba. If thats where you're based, then no, you won't see us very much, if at all. But then neither can you judge our effectiveness... which makes your opinion somewhat invalid really. And your post verging on pointless. Its a bit like me telling Rule of Three I have no respect for them since I never see them fight... it makes no sense as I'm not based near them. Providence is a big region and Misaba quite a journey from where we operate. We've had specific targets, and specifc goals. We've been successful in our goals. We've had fun. Thats all that counts. We know we're good at what we choose to do, we don't need your approval and neither do we seek it. ----------
Ifni Applied Eugenics	Posted - 2007.08.13 17:31:00 - [72] Ok, this is getting stupid. To the OP, Providence is like all 0.0 regions; avoid the locals, find a nice station to live from and your good. Other than that, go down, and scout it out for yourself. Asking others opinions is letting yourself into a whole world of pain. As you can see from this thread. You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 18:25:00 - [73] Well bum is takeing a day off doing some team building ruing level 4 missions, plans also includ spider reping kestrells doing level 5 missions later maybe
Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:14:00 - [74] Originally by: Lilan Kahn Well bum is takeing a day off doing some team building ruing level 4 missions, plans also includ spider reping kestrells doing level 5 missions later maybe To be fair, we did attempt to find our oh-so-elusive wartargets... which led us to the mission areas... ----------
Murukan Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.13 19:56:00 - [75] if you want to take advantage of providence i highly suggest bringing your bs down and jumping from misaba to r3. Then you can go out into provi and take advantage of the phat lewtz. Don't worry about a scout, cva keep r3 safe 24/7 so just jump on in. Manlove by Zaphod Jones
ARC Harpy Caldari ARC Angel Harpies	Posted - 2007.08.13 20:17:00 - [76] Out of curosity, I know I've been said as the worst Spy in Eve, but being I'm an alt and all, are there Isk Miners and Isk Farmer in Prov, and are CVA supporting them is all I want to know! Also, Butter Dog your a complete Idiot, about Fleet Tactics, and PvP it seems. Hardin Cut out to this **en Bull**ting Propogranda about CVA. To all the neutrals out there, I hope to see you on battlefield, also my Main which is not Dragonlord, is going to come to Provi soon to teach Provi Residence about combat, and ethics behind that. Let's this Forum War Continue...
EveJoker Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.08.13 20:25:00 - [77] Originally by: Hardin The CVA has never forced anyone to come to Providence. The CVA has never forced anyone to fight for us. The CVA has never told people to adopt our KOS lists. They have done so out of their own choice. I guess The Imperial Order would be one such example alliance. Must make your pets most comfortable knowing thats the treatment they get from you if they step out of line. Great example of someone who didnt adopt your KOS list.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.13 20:55:00 - [78] Originally by: ARC Harpy Also, Butter Dog your a complete Idiot, about Fleet Tactics, and PvP it seems. Hardin Cut out to this **en Bullting Propogranda about CVA. To all the neutrals out there, I hope to see you on battlefield, also my Main which is not Dragonlord, is going to come to Provi soon to teach Provi Residence about combat, and ethics behind that. Let's this Forum War Continue... Come soon, bring your main and friends Don't knock the Hardin, he has more class than you will ever know, plus I am sure he can spell "*****" and propaganda. Apart from demonstrating that you have nothing to teach anyone, the only valid point you raise is... What the hell is it with the macro haulers There is about 2 itty 5's on every gate with gibberish names. It's enough to turn you -10 in an hour. What is the CVA stance on this on Providence? I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 20:59:00 - [79] Originally by: EveJoker I guess The Imperial Order would be one such example alliance. Must make your pets most comfortable knowing thats the treatment they get from you if they step out of line. Great example of someone who didnt adopt your KOS list. More to the point, they didn't adopt our NRDS policy. And, yes, I'm sure it makes the locals feel very comfortable to know that CVA does its best to take on NBSI organizations head-on in Providence. Nobody is ever required to do anything for the CVA...but if they are going to shoot, they're asked to not shoot neutrals. This, in our mind, is a better state of affairs than NBSI. The locals agree, otherwise they wouldn't stick around. One day, someone more powerful than the CVA may decide they want Providence for themselves and they may run NBSI. And then everybody who runs around Providence will be crying about that policy.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 21:05:00 - [80] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar What is the CVA stance on this on Providence? A fair question, and a sticky situation given our NRDS policy. No, we don't support them. Yes, we make efforts to identify them and the more zealous of us make efforts to destroy them whenever possible. It's a hard thing, though, 'cause how does one really prove a macro is a macro? And if you're wrong...oops, major political SNAFU.

Butter Dog The Littlest Hobos Betrayal Under Mayhem	Posted - 2007.08.13 21:10:00 - [81] Originally by: Garreck Nobody is ever required to do anything for the CVA...but if they are going to shoot, they're asked to not shoot neutrals. And how would you know who they have set red or otherwise? Or are CVA repsonsible for setting their pet alliances standing lists? Are they submitted to you for approval? It sounds like CVA are basically saying 'follow our standings or get out' because frankly what other realistic choice is there, other than you individually approving or rejecting each standings change. Quite clearly a pet alliance CANNOT make an independent decision on who to set red, for fear of displeasing the CVA. ----------
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.13 21:12:00 - [82] Originally by: Garreck More to the point, they didn't adopt our NRDS policy. And, yes, I'm sure it makes the locals feel very comfortable to know that CVA does its best to take on NBSI organizations head-on in Providence. This is a good point. Providence is one of the only regions I know where NRDS is actively enforced. It was mentioned earlier in gang, ok, it doesn't have the best rats or moons, or minerals, but they do protect neutrals. They welcome everyone, unless of course you are -10 standings like me, but even then they will embrace in a loving way with their lasers And...once upon a time, I lived under the CVA wing, they never charged, asked rent, or described anyone as pets. If you starting out, and want to build trade or mine with 0.0 access, it's the place to go. I should also mention...watch out for ebil people like CI I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:14:00 - [83] Originally by: Butter Dog It sounds like CVA are basically saying 'follow our standings or get out' because frankly what other realistic choice is there, other than you individually approving or rejecting each standings change. Quite clearly a pet alliance CANNOT make an independent decision on who to set red, for fear of displeasing the CVA. In essence, you're right on the money, though you say it like it's a bad thing (understandable, as you've plenty of reason to dislike the CVA.) Understand, of course, that the standings we set are based upon a) our roleplay (which we have never asked any of our neutrals to support...support has been volunteered) and b) acts of piracy. So, in essence, our kill list is less a demand and more a service: if you see a CVA red in Providence, get safe or get friends because you're about to get dead. The alternative, of course, is NBSI...where we randomly shoot anyone we please if positive standings are not set. This is not the way CVA choose to operate. Instead, we run constant patrols providing tactical protection to neutrals in Providence, and we spend large sums of isk to build useable infrastructure for neutral parties in what is supposed to be a dead region. In return for our efforts in our space...all we ask is that if people want shooty in Providence, they shoot known badguys. Predictably, our enemies try to make this sound like some sort of oppressive regime. In an out of character forum, which is a bit bizarre. And they say the roleplayers take things too seriously...
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:17:00 - [84] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar I should also mention...watch out for ebil people like CI That goes for people "starting out" as well as "seasoned veterans"
Cipher7 OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:49:00 - [85] Providence is currently under the control of forces who engage in slave trading (CVA) who profit from commerce in Providence. For this reason, Providence is considered a free-fire zone by anti-slavery forces.
Flinx Evenstar Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions	Posted - 2007.08.13 22:54:00 - [86] Originally by: Cipher7 Providence is currently under the control of forces who engage in slave trading (CVA) who profit from commerce in Providence. For this reason, Providence is considered a free-fire zone by anti-slavery forces. As a Minmatar, it is my duty to fight the slavers I call upon my brothers to help the cause, although CVA tend to fly a lot of huginns and rapiers, not only has that messed with our nano gangs, it's a bit odd in terms of role play Oh, and Hi Smash I, erm, like kill things and stuff
Lowanaera Amarr Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2007.08.13 23:33:00 - [87] Originally by: Flinx Evenstar although CVA tend to fly a lot of huginns and rapiers, not only has that messed with our nano gangs, it's a bit odd in terms of role play We have to do whatever it takes to support the Empire, when you and every other pirate corp out there is flying around in nano-HACs/recons a majority of the time, we don't exactly have much choice there
DiamondEdges Black Lotus Foundation	Posted - 2007.08.13 23:41:00 - [88] good god, back and forth saying the same thing over three pages, this is sad. 1- hobo's do what they do decent 2- CVA do what they do decent 3- CVA many many players > HOBO not many end of arguement.... go pew pew
Layrex Caldari	Posted - 2007.08.14 00:57:00 - [89] Originally by: Murukan if you want to take advantage of providence i highly suggest bringing your bs down and jumping from misaba to r3. Then you can go out into provi and take advantage of the phat lewtz. Don't worry about a scout, cva keep r3 safe 24/7 so just jump on in. Hehehe you guys have gotten me waaaay too many times this week.
Hickock Caldari Einherjar Rising	Posted - 2007.08.14 02:12:00 - [90] Providence is Great! Ratting is easy with awesome CVA and allies defense. The best place to rat tbh is y-mpwl and D616. Not alot of pvp except for the occasional noob corp ratters which arnt allowed. Eiter way, head down to providence. Best place in eve, safest too. -------------- Visit http://extremepredators.com/ for more information.



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