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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:20:00 -
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If you look at the patches that have been put in place and that they intend to bring in it seems to me that ccp seem to be against high SP and long term players having an advantage over a low sp players.
The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan to be all but useless unless you wish to lose it after a single shot. Alliances with a titan should be considered like a country with nukes not every country has them but the way i see it is that a large alliance that has gone to a lot of effort to recruit good ppl with high sp and build these super capitals should have the advantages they bring.
Eve has gone from a game that needed time and skill to actualy achieve somthing awsome like taking a system to a blob vs blob non-skill related laggy shoot em up.
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Chrisb6122
Gallente Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:25:00 -
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More players > more revonue
Would be my take on the subject,
Something I would point out to the people in this war do, everyone seems to be actively involved and enjoying the game, aside from the lag de-sync issues, which is always a good thing dispite the ingame politics -
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Cringeley
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:26:00 -
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The world contains no more than 50-100,000 old skool Eve players, and a couple of billion potential Eve noobs, and all of their money is equally good.
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Katashi Ishizuka
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:27:00 -
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Because Doomsday + Cyno was the epitome of skill in EVE.
Get real. After about 3 months PVPing you've learned all you can in "skill" and the rest comes down to ship fittings, ISK, and competent FC. Anybody in a HAC is going to kill a regular cruiser player, and so forth going down ship classes.
TBFH this "Capital Ships Online" warfare is really excaberating the gap between low and high sp, not closing it, although some still have success with t1 cruiser/frigate blobs.
In short QQ MOAR L2P and stop whining in my CAOD.
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Jack Archer
Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:34:00 -
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This is a good thread. I am a good poster.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:34:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 13/08/2007 12:35:24
Originally by: Katashi I****uka Because Doomsday + Cyno was the epitome of skill in EVE.
The ability to even build a titan let alone keep it defended while it cooks is or was part of the challenge eve put against those who tried to do it. So i agree that clicking the DDD button is hardly a great tactical feat but the ability to be in the position to click the button without a doubt is.
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Arrs Grazznic
FireStar Inc FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:42:00 -
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As others have more eloquently stated elsewhere, there is a push to bring more players into the game. This challenge is being attacked across a number of fronts, including providing more high-end game play to newer (less SP characters) and adding a lot of eye candy (walking in stations).
The bottom line is that more players equals more revenue. Part of the increased revenue is likely to get invested in bigger servers and more performance and content updates. Hopefully, this will eventually to allow us to have those 1000 vs 1000 fleet battles against each other, rather than the server hamsters.
Cheers, Arrs
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Opasna
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:48:00 -
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To be honest, CCP should close registrations until they fix the game that will be playable.
But we can only dream...
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:52:00 -
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Originally by: marakor The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan to be all but useless unless...
Obviously you have no clue about titans. The jumpbridge alone is worth 10 times more the doomsday device. Not to mention the gang boost by the titan.
If a certain alliance is too afraid to use their titans or if some other alliances have the logistics to come back within minutes with more ships than before, so be it, but you cannot call them noobs then - or can you coordinate the supply and movements of hundreds of ships within few minutes?
And for your info, the Against All Authorities alliance just recently wiped out a large YouWhat fleet using their titans doomsday device.
So... better get your facts straights.
Doomsday devices are still worth a lot. But you just cannot any longer sit around and blast everything what you like (it was used even against small frig gangs!) and happily jump away then. And this is good.
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Kirah Ovai
Altcenaries
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: marakor If you look at the patches that have been put in place and that they intend to bring in it seems to me that ccp seem to be against high SP and long term players having an advantage over a low sp players.
The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan to be all but useless unless you wish to lose it after a single shot. Alliances with a titan should be considered like a country with nukes not every country has them but the way i see it is that a large alliance that has gone to a lot of effort to recruit good ppl with high sp and build these super capitals should have the advantages they bring.
Eve has gone from a game that needed time and skill to actualy achieve somthing awsome like taking a system to a blob vs blob non-skill related laggy shoot em up.
I agree, I would even go so far to say Titans and Motherships weren't quite powerful enough as they were before the patch. Every time one of those behemoths enters a system everyone red to the pilot with, let's say, less then 30 mil SP should die instantaniously.
This would have given the veteran players (the only ones who could ever legitimately claim to have 'skill') the edge over the unwashed masses. Alas! CCP seems to be out to get you.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 12:58:00 -
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EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
And this is a very, very good thing.
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Sorja
E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
That's because you were grown with Evercrap. Those who have a clue about PvP remember about UO, for example.
PvP in EVE, while fun at times, is not less a game of haves and have not than some other games posters like to bash on these boards ____________________ A gentleman is someone who can play the bagpipe, but who does not. |
marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Kirah Ovai
Originally by: marakor If you look at the patches that have been put in place and that they intend to bring in it seems to me that ccp seem to be against high SP and long term players having an advantage over a low sp players.
The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan to be all but useless unless you wish to lose it after a single shot. Alliances with a titan should be considered like a country with nukes not every country has them but the way i see it is that a large alliance that has gone to a lot of effort to recruit good ppl with high sp and build these super capitals should have the advantages they bring.
Eve has gone from a game that needed time and skill to actualy achieve somthing awsome like taking a system to a blob vs blob non-skill related laggy shoot em up.
I agree, I would even go so far to say Titans and Motherships weren't quite powerful enough as they were before the patch. Every time one of those behemoths enters a system everyone red to the pilot with, let's say, less then 30 mil SP should die instantaniously.
This would have given the veteran players (the only ones who could ever legitimately claim to have 'skill') the edge over the unwashed masses. Alas! CCP seems to be out to get you.
Oh well theres always one who is looking for somthing to vent a bit of frustration on congratulations btw.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sorja
Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
That's because you were grown with Evercrap. Those who have a clue about PvP remember about UO, for example.
PvP in EVE, while fun at times, is not less a game of haves and have not than some other games posters like to bash on these boards
Sorry, UO was before my time. And as far as I know, contrary to the implication of your post, I've never bashed UO, primarily because I've never played it.
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Avery Cane
Contras
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:12:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: marakor The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan to be all but useless unless...
Obviously you have no clue about titans. The jumpbridge alone is worth 10 times more the doomsday device. Not to mention the gang boost by the titan.
If a certain alliance is too afraid to use their titans or if some other alliances have the logistics to come back within minutes with more ships than before, so be it, but you cannot call them noobs then - or can you coordinate the supply and movements of hundreds of ships within few minutes?
And for your info, the Against All Authorities alliance just recently wiped out a large YouWhat fleet using their titans doomsday device.
So... better get your facts straights.
Doomsday devices are still worth a lot. But you just cannot any longer sit around and blast everything what you like (it was used even against small frig gangs!) and happily jump away then. And this is good.
titans still have a purpose that is true. as logistics ships? i mean who the hell wants a 65billion isk transport ship. yes they can be used to whip out a fleet, but i promise there was no back up fleet or cap fleet within reach of the system or it would have stayed at a pos. honestly the ships are fine. the problem is that a corpse can keep a 1.6billion ton ship from moving. i might add that ship is can go like 70meters per second. just think about that physics wise. titans will be used again in all fleet engagments when no ship other than other capitals can bump them.
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NO BRAKES
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: marakor
The newest patches have even allowed the ultimate anti-blob ship the titan to be all but useless unless you wish to lose it after a single shot. Alliances with a titan should be considered like a country with nukes not every country has them but the way i see it is that a large alliance that has gone to a lot of effort to recruit good ppl with high sp and build these super capitals should have the advantages they bring.
Evil Thug would like a word with you.
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Lee Bian
Amarryan Nations GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
And this is a very, very good thing.
holy crap i agree with dark shikari what is the world coming to
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NAFnist
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
And this is a very, very good thing.
I totally agree.
Anti-blob implements is just not working as well as one could hope. -
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Wild Rho
Amarr Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
And this is a very, very good thing.
Couldn't agree more. I tend to hate people with the "I'm a higher level than you so I should win" mentality some people seem to have and it's great that younger players can band together to take on older ones successfully as it brings much more diversity to combat in general.
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marakor
Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:28:00 -
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Edited by: marakor on 13/08/2007 13:29:11
Originally by: NAFnist
Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
And this is a very, very good thing.
I totally agree.
Anti-blob implements is just not working as well as one could hope.
I cannot say i total disagree with the pricipal behind that idea of 10 beating 1 depending on ship type of course. After all 10 drunk skinheads kicking the hell out of a pro boxer by sheer weight of numbers is a easy to believe circumstance.
Unfortunatly that leads untimatly to a mega blob nap or alliance overpowering everybody and i hate that idea with a passion.
Id say bring back the old DDD to stop that from happening cos its not like titans were unkillable before the nerf.
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Angor
The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:29:00 -
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I think alot of players were leaving EvE even before the tutorial finished (i.e WoW players etc.) because they didnt like the idea that you could never catch and match vetran players, even if you were an unemployed looser playing the game 23/7 (like certian WoW players do) to level up faster than people playing a regular 2-3hrs or so a day for a longer period of time. That is one of the reasons I became addicted to this game, you progress without having to be a slave to the game. Now they have started to give noobs lvl 5 skills on creation so potentially 2 noobs can sensor damp/jam and kill a vetran player within a few days of creating a character. But at the end of the day its all about money, and if giving noobs a sense of worth and usefullness from day one ultimatly creates more revenue for CCP then hey they gota do it. _______________________________ WTS 50m sp PvP Minmitar Character including Dread and Carrier |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: NAFnist
Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
And this is a very, very good thing.
I totally agree.
Anti-blob implements is just not working as well as one could hope.
I think the real problem is this process:
a) EVE allows many weaker players to kill one stronger player. b) This forces the weaker players into a large blob to handle a group of stronger players. c) SERVER ASPLODE
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NAFnist
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:41:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I think the real problem is this process:
a) EVE allows many weaker players to kill one stronger player. b) This forces the weaker players into a large blob to handle a group of stronger players. c) SERVER ASPLODE
Well, I love the process untill c)
I just cant see any one great solution. -
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Niraco79
Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: NAFnist
Originally by: Dark Shikari EVE is the only MMORPG I know of where 10 "low-level" players can go and kill a "high-level" player.
And this is a very, very good thing.
I totally agree.
Anti-blob implements is just not working as well as one could hope.
I think the real problem is this process:
a) EVE allows many weaker players to kill one stronger player. b) This forces the weaker players into a large blob to handle a group of stronger players. c) SERVER ASPLODE
I still think is about ojectives.. force both groups to split in smaller sizes. make them attack/defend in the same time several systems...
like having power relays for outposts in some poses, conquer the putpost by destroying these pos`es which are in different systems. Make the onlining of new power relays possible as long as u have more of 50% of power relays for outpost not in reinforced. that way u need to defend/attack in a small period of time more systems.
just an idea.
and yes i agree some low skilled pilots killing a much more skilled pilot in the right ships and fittings = good thing
OMG i just realized that in this thread (who is almost a flaming thread) an AAA, a FIX, a Goon and a BOB just agreed on something.
THIS IS NUTZ THIS IS CAOD ________________ THE MEGA NOOB
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Silvestri
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:44:00 -
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noobs wouldn't want to keep paying to play if all we did was blow em up. checks and balances my friend....
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hedfunk
Caldari EVE Empowerment League Navy Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:46:00 -
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If I ever got a Titan, I'd nano fit it.
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Ahistaja
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.08.13 13:49:00 -
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There's already an enormous supercapital inflation. Several titans and motherships are launched for every one killed, and they're not able to kill eachother.
What this game needs is not doomsday weapons which can lay 70000 damage to 200 ships, but doomsday weapons that can lay 700000 damage to a single ship.
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Lord Quad
Murder-Death-Kill Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: marakor If you look at the patches that have been put in place and that they intend to bring in it seems to me that ccp seem to be against high SP and long term players having an advantage over a low sp players.
Thats the biggest problem with the game...the whole "I've played for 5 years, thus everyone who has played less than me is a total nub who I will look down upon, and how dare you want to play!" Seriously grow up...owning your account for a long time (or buying an old char) does not mean you are a better player, lots of old accounts have some very poor players...high SP players do have big advantages over new players, but it shouldnt be an "I Win button"...
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Banedon Runestar
Gallente Twin Power Enterprises LTD
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:08:00 -
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Edited by: Banedon Runestar on 13/08/2007 14:10:10
Originally by: Ahistaja There's already an enormous supercapital inflation. Several titans and motherships are launched for every one killed, and they're not able to kill eachother.
What this game needs is not doomsday weapons which can lay 70000 damage to 200 ships, but doomsday weapons that can lay 700000 damage to a single ship.
Now I will show you the power of this fully armed and operational battlestation!
*ahem* Sorry about that...
And as for UO PvP, while it was technically possible for lower skilled people to kill a higher skilled player, it wasn't likely. The chances of a brand new player hitting ANYTHING much less a decently skilled fighter, were crap. They were however more likely to survive if they tried to run, so long as the server didn't lag on them. At one point it did take 10 hours to run from one end of the main continent to the other. And it wasn't that big.
However it was my first taste of working with skill based experiance systems and I liked it. One of the reasons I LOVE Eve, and I hated the treadmill that EQ2 was. "Kill mob, get nice object, kill bigger mob, get nicer object." Repeat ad nauseum. ----- Twin Power Enterprises |
jarack
Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.08.13 14:09:00 -
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Lets go back to Tech1, Battleships, Cruisers and Frigates only. Where skill and tactics won the fight, not how many Supercapitals you can jump onto the field.
The fights where Battleships are 30km from each other, not the panzy 250km+ fighting.
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