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Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:27:00 - [1] Well as we all know the nerfbat has a few mods in its sights.. Cloaks Remote Sensor Damps etc... We need to add another meal to the nerfbats plate. Speed mod. IN short.. they are simply way too fast or overpowered if you prefer that term. When you can nano/speed mod a ship to the point its flying 12000km per second.. thats over overpowered. There is no way to stop such ships much less gangs of them. Webs you say? They are going so fast that inertia alone takes them out of webrange at which point they speed up again. Guns.. cannot track something so fast.. completely ineffective vs speed. Missiles.. The fact that so many ships can easily outrun missiles is laughable. You have a ship weighing thousands of kilograms (or multiple tons) able to outrun ANY missle (consisting of an engine and a warhead)fired at it. HELLO!! McFly!!!.. Missiles are designed to go very fast. When you have say.. Vagabond which weighs in at 10 thousand metric tons and can reach speeds in excess of 6km/s or more(Could a nano vaga pilot verify this speed) vs. Caldari Navy Cruise missile at 1.25 tons and flys at 3750 m/s or 3.7km/s. Missiles are designed to go faster then the ships they are being shot at. Does noone at CCP have the IQ to understand this massive inconsistency with speeds or has all the beer severely effected your ability to compute? To use the dreaded real life example.. MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world. F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter. VS. Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) /real life example Missiles are not supposed to be 4 or more times slower then the ships they are trying to kill. The speed of EVE missiles is a pathetic disgrace to all the weapons companies that manufacture them and all missile speeds NEED to be increased, or the speeds that ships can reach needs to be massively nerfed. PPl whine when 1 mod gets so used by the community that its pretty much a standard fitting. If you want to even compete near the same lvl you must also use the same mod. (If you cannot beat them... join them) Well the speed mods are a prime example of this. How many times has your fleet been completly neutered or found to be totally ineffective against nano gangs? You all want to cry that sensor damps are overpowered and are whining to get them nerfed cause "everyone fits them now" and there is no effective counter supposedly. Well other then nanoing it up yourself (this includes using nano intys) you are pretty much helpless to a speed tanker. Guns cannot track them Missiles cannot catch them Drones cannot catch them. Webs will slow them down till they coast out of range and speed up again. CCP's need for speed has completely castrated any ability to effectively counter speed setups. Discuss ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:30:00 - [2]
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:32:00 - [3] about damn time someone whined about the speed tanks - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:33:00 - [4] Originally by: Illyria Ambri To use the dreaded real life example.. MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world. F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter. VS. Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) I'd like to slap you. Stop with the real life comparisons and nerf nerfs. ---------------
Fswd	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:35:00 - [5] Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then? --- Free exotic dancers for mods that mod my sig Snip Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -Yipsilanti ([email protected]) <-- freebie for you
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:36:00 - [6] repeat after me h.u...g...g...i...n c.e.r.b.e.r.u.s also : tank... most nano ships do as much dps as my grandma on valium. smartbomb, bye drones. then what oh a fly orbits around me. ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:37:00 - [7] Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: Illyria Ambri To use the dreaded real life example.. MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world. F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter. VS. Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) I'd like to slap you. Stop with the real life comparisons and nerf nerfs. No ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Splagada repeat after me h.u...g...g...i...n c.e.r.b.e.r.u.s also : tank... most nano ships do as much dps as my grandma on valium. smartbomb, bye drones. then what oh a fly orbits around me. You obviously missed the part about using an nano inty to counter their nano. Smartbomb.. we aren't talking about defending against drones.. we are talking about drones at max skills still being unable to catch nano's Try reading the post first. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
oDDiTy V2 Epic.	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:41:00 - [9] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: Illyria Ambri To use the dreaded real life example.. MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world. F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter. VS. Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) I'd like to slap you. Stop with the real life comparisons and nerf nerfs. No Hi, welcome to EVE-Online, a make-believe universe set thousands of years in the future, where your real-life comparisons hold no water due to the fact that are, in the world of EVE, an ancient forgotten technology many millenia outdated.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:41:00 - [10] Originally by: Illyria Ambri You obviously missed the part about using an nano inty to counter their nano. Smartbomb.. we aren't talking about defending against drones.. we are talking about drones at max skills still being unable to catch nano's Try reading the post first. Yes...those nano ships, flying around doing all that damage. Oh, wait, nevermind.

Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Fswd Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then? LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day. Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Fswd	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:43:00 - [12] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Fswd Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then? LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day. Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber. Ok you want to be able to shoot everything in your raven then. Point remains valid. --- Free exotic dancers for mods that mod my sig Snip Please do not discuss moderation in your signature. -Yipsilanti ([email protected]) <-- freebie for you
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:43:00 - [13] i read it but you know im not an intelligent person more the pragmatic kind all i know is that i kill nanoships rather well. A huggin, or a rapier and theyre toast OR double web stiletto as tackler, cerb with "antinanosetup", or just ignore them in a tanked bs. theyre damn hard to catch but when we dont catch them, what are they gonna do? moon our poses? ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:43:00 - [14] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: Illyria Ambri To use the dreaded real life example.. MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world. F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter. VS. Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) I'd like to slap you. Stop with the real life comparisons and nerf nerfs. No Hi, welcome to EVE-Online, a make-believe universe set thousands of years in the future, where your real-life comparisons hold no water due to the fact that are, in the world of EVE, an ancient forgotten technology many millenia outdated. Oh.. so you support the fact that any nano ship can completly neuter the effect of any missile as the missile (which are designed to go faster then the ships they are shot at) goes many times slower then any nano ship. Thank you for expressing your desire for lack of balance. You must fly a nano ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
Christari Zuborov Amarr Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:44:00 - [15] Yuppers... When you consider that the same technology would be applied to missiles as ships for thrust, it doesn't make sense that a vessel that contains equipment that a missile doesn't need (life support, a crew, shields, armor plating, faster than light drive, and ammunition) and the missile is slower? Makes no sense at all. The lighter the warhead and supporting electronics, the faster the missile will be if all other things are taken into consideration. This would mean that unguided an unguided missile or rocket, with the same thruster, will be faster than a guided missile or rocket. It's completely reversed and fubar'd beyond sci-fi, or sci-real. I find it completely distracting to the point of silliness when I feel I should be impressed with the thought of futuristic technologies. This is a failing point in game immersion, grade - F
An Anarchyyt Gallente Sublime.	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:44:00 - [16] The first thing that needs a nerf right now is the forum. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:45:00 - [17] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Oh.. so you support the fact that any nano ship can completly neuter the effect of any missile as the missile (which are designed to go faster then the ships they are shot at) goes many times slower then any nano ship. Thank you for expressing your desire for lack of balance. You must fly a nano Stop using missiles? ---------------
Illyria Ambri RennTech	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:45:00 - [18] Originally by: Fswd Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Fswd Yeah sure, you should be able to counter everything in your solopwnmobile. How about countering your solopwnmobile then? LoL.. now this is damn funny.. me.. in a solo pwnmobile.. that will be the day. Yes my ratting raven is pure pwnage as is my tissue paper stealth bomber. Ok you want to be able to shoot everything in your raven then. Point remains valid. Not at all.. this isnt even about ravens.. its about missile speeds compared to nano ship speeds. And you have no point.. just a crappy post that adds nothing other then a poor attempt to insult. ------------ This is not War... This is pest control - Dalek Sek Here come the Drums!! - The Master
oDDiTy V2 Epic.	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:45:00 - [19] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: Illyria Ambri To use the dreaded real life example.. MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world. F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter. VS. Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) I'd like to slap you. Stop with the real life comparisons and nerf nerfs. No Hi, welcome to EVE-Online, a make-believe universe set thousands of years in the future, where your real-life comparisons hold no water due to the fact that are, in the world of EVE, an ancient forgotten technology many millenia outdated. Oh.. so you support the fact that any nano ship can completly neuter the effect of any missile as the missile (which are designed to go faster then the ships they are shot at) goes many times slower then any nano ship. Thank you for expressing your desire for lack of balance. You must fly a nano Actually, I've never flown a nano ship in my time in EVE, nor have I ever lost a ship to one.
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:45:00 - [20] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Oh.. so you support the fact that any nano ship can completly neuter the effect of any missile as the missile (which are designed to go faster then the ships they are shot at) goes many times slower then any nano ship. Thank you for expressing your desire for lack of balance. You must fly a nano LOL...that's right man, anyone who disagrees with you is obviously a ~~terrorist~~ nanotard. Keep spouting that, it will aid your argument.

oDDiTy V2 Epic.	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Illyria Ambri Oh.. so you support the fact that any nano ship can completly neuter the effect of any missile as the missile (which are designed to go faster then the ships they are shot at) goes many times slower then any nano ship. Thank you for expressing your desire for lack of balance. You must fly a nano LOL...that's right man, anyone who disagrees with you is obviously a ~~terrorist~~ nanotard. Keep spouting that, it will aid your argument. The best part is that he's completely wrong
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:47:00 - [22] Originally by: oDDiTy V2 Originally by: Thanos Draicon Originally by: Illyria Ambri Oh.. so you support the fact that any nano ship can completly neuter the effect of any missile as the missile (which are designed to go faster then the ships they are shot at) goes many times slower then any nano ship. Thank you for expressing your desire for lack of balance. You must fly a nano LOL...that's right man, anyone who disagrees with you is obviously a ~~terrorist~~ nanotard. Keep spouting that, it will aid your argument. The best part is that he's completely wrong YOU DISAGREE?! YOU MUST FLY NANO!
Nicho Void Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:50:00 - [23] Edited by: Nicho Void on 27/09/2007 15:54:06 Edited by: Nicho Void on 27/09/2007 15:53:12 Originally by: Christari Zuborov The lighter the warhead and supporting electronics, the faster the missile will be if all other things are taken into consideration. This would mean that unguided an unguided missile or rocket, with the same thruster, will be faster than a guided missile or rocket. It's completely reversed and fubar'd beyond sci-fi, or sci-real. I find it completely distracting to the point of silliness when I feel I should be impressed with the thought of futuristic technologies. This is a failing point in game immersion, grade - F Of all the things to attack, you choose acceleration physics. ---------------
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:52:00 - [24] speed is fine nerf players lol, no really, why would they nerf something like speed? they already made the game unreal giving stargates 10 or more times the mass of a solar system (compare this to RL :\|) no really, how can u compare EVE to RL knowning we have faster-than-light travel, quantum physics paradoxes to communicate with eachother in-game and ammo fired at over 350km/s? (just because over that distance, you are out of a grid) RL Physics =/= EVE Physics ----------------------------------------------- Forum Warfare - Rank (4) - Level V Forum Warfare Specialist - Rank (9) - Level III Armor Flame Compensation - Rank (5) - Level IV
Splagada Minmatar Tides of Silence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:53:00 - [25] Originally by: Nicho Void You thinking that mass has an effect on acceleration in zero gravity space is a failing point. actually it does ! F=ma works anywhere ------ Proud Janitor of Tides of Silence
Asmosis	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:55:00 - [26] Bah I can't kill a POS in my ratting ship, nerf POS >.>
Straygun Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:56:00 - [27] Originally by: Illyria Ambri MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world. F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter. VS. Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) /real life example Discuss Want to buy Mig 25 capable of launching a 75 foot long intercontinental ballistic missile weighing 45 metric tonnes Just because you are able to undock* a ship doesn't mean you are able to fly it.*
Boomershoot Caldari Insurgent New Eden Tribe Deus Ex.	Posted - 2007.09.27 15:57:00 - [28] Originally by: Asmosis Bah I can't kill a POS in my ratting ship, nerf POS >.> You, dear sir, wins the thread ----------------------------------------------- Forum Warfare - Rank (4) - Level V Forum Warfare Specialist - Rank (9) - Level III Armor Flame Compensation - Rank (5) - Level IV
Thanos Draicon	Posted - 2007.09.27 16:01:00 - [29] Looks like the OP realized what an epic failure of a thread he created and went into hiding.
Tunak	Posted - 2007.09.27 16:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Illyria Ambri Originally by: Nicho Void Originally by: Illyria Ambri To use the dreaded real life example.. MiG-25 Foxbat 2,115 mph. The fastest jet fighter in the world. F-15 Eagle 1,875 mph. Fastest United States jet fighter. VS. Russian Topol SS-27 (the worlds fastest missile) 10,800mph US AIM-54 Phoenix missile In excess of 3,000 mph (4,800 kmph) I'd like to slap you. Stop with the real life comparisons and nerf nerfs. No Ok have it your way. In real life there is no top spead in space. Therefore all ships should be able to move as fast as they want. See what comes of RL examples?



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