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Inturist
Nuclear Reactor Inc INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:44:00 -
[871]
Comon CCP , 1000 posts saying that u r very wrong , and what ur actions ??? none ? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Taurgil
Konstrukteure der Zukunft
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:47:00 -
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Edited by: Taurgil on 21/10/2007 22:47:25 Finally, I dont agree with the communities feeling that this is a BAD idea.
I, therefore, propose to refer to it as a DEAD idea.
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Torshin
Prophets Of a Damned Universe
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:47:00 -
[873]
btw if you are around to balance things fix AFs -------------------------------------------
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Hi Lo
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:48:00 -
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I have not had the chance to use Capital Ships and this is disappointing. It seems that the nerfing department feels that a M1 Abrams and a Honda Civic should be able to fight. Capital ships are big, angry ships and should rollover that Civic with ease.
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:48:00 -
[875]
Sigh. You know what will happen?
Oh, carriers can only field 5 fighters now. Lets bring 2x as many!!
Goddamn this is the worst idea ever CCP ---
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Nagatok
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Sigh. You know what will happen?
Oh, carriers can only field 5 fighters now. Lets bring 2x as many!!
Goddamn this is the worst idea ever CCP
OMFG i actually agree with lofty...SOMEONE GET A CAMERA NOW!!! PROGENITOR/INTREPID CROSSING pilot recruitment officer |
Doltish
The Arrow Project
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:50:00 -
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This is astounding. I mean really, absolutely astounding.
I've got all the respect in the world for CCP for making one of the most fantastic games I've ever played - but sometimes I just shake my head in wonder at some of the things I read from the devs. Who could have possibly thought this was a good idea?
I don't even buy the premise that motherships and carriers currently can be fielded without support. What are you gonna do alone anyway? Sit on a gate and not get any kills? This is so far from a non-issue that I'm not even sure where to start debunking it!
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Max Torps
Gallente eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: Nagatok
Originally by: lofty29 Sigh. You know what will happen?
Oh, carriers can only field 5 fighters now. Lets bring 2x as many!!
Goddamn this is the worst idea ever CCP
OMFG i actually agree with lofty...SOMEONE GET A CAMERA NOW!!!
Screenie taken and will be forwarded, lol. But that's only because you've been harping on about your carrier since I've known you.
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Dragy
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:52:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Sigh. You know what will happen?
Oh, carriers can only field 5 fighters now. Lets bring 2x as many!!
Goddamn this is the worst idea ever CCP
sacred words my friend ...
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Cyan Nuevo
Dudes In Crazy Killing Ships
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:53:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29 Sigh. You know what will happen?
Oh, carriers can only field 5 fighters now. Lets bring 2x as many!!
Goddamn this is the worst idea ever CCP
People don't already bring as many carriers as possible? --- Proud Amarr pilot.
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Nagatok
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:54:00 -
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Originally by: Max Torps
Originally by: Nagatok
Originally by: lofty29 Sigh. You know what will happen?
Oh, carriers can only field 5 fighters now. Lets bring 2x as many!!
Goddamn this is the worst idea ever CCP
OMFG i actually agree with lofty...SOMEONE GET A CAMERA NOW!!!
Screenie taken and will be forwarded, lol. But that's only because you've been harping on about your carrier since I've known you.
yeh well i trained for the damn thing for what? a year? so let me get this stright some NOOB can take on a capital now....GET A BRAIN CCP.
P.S YO MAX HOW ARE YOU MAN
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Larz FoeHammer
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Larz FoeHammer on 21/10/2007 22:59:35 what an absolutely rediculas and begging your pardon.....stupid idea.
If these ships are becoming too common in the game, how about making them more difficult to build and more painful to loose.
And how in the Eve does this work with bandwith, obviously a Battleship shouldn't be able to have the bandwidth for controlling 5 fighters....certainly not a interceptor. Assigning fighters means they are handing over control, If the carrier had the badwidth then why would it have to assign the fighters?
Your breaking your own mechanics for ***** sakes.
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Aladdin InSane
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:56:00 -
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Edited by: Aladdin InSane on 21/10/2007 22:57:31 Anyone else get the feeling that this young dev, is getting a right bollocing?
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Zyric
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: The Ventrue Did you hire people from Sony who were responsible for SWG's failure?
This is my sentiment. To completely UNDO that much invested time and effort would be Gamebreaking and subscription ending for me. With the real time skill training of EVE, HUGE nerfs like this can destroy a player. You cant jsut skill up for another ship class....you have to start all that training time from scratch and hope the next nerf doesnt catch you.
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Inflexible
Rytiri Lva
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:59:00 -
[885]
BTW anyone tried fighters on SiSi?
They obey commands 1 fighter per 2 seconds - terrible. Heavy drones are ok, at least for me.
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Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 22:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aladdin InSane Edited by: Aladdin InSane on 21/10/2007 22:57:31 Anyone else get the feeling that this young dev, is getting a right bollocing?
After 15 pages we where wondering in corp if he had started crying yet, damm player base is a bunch of bullies
Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.
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Shock Blade
The Nemesis
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Aladdin InSane Anyone else get the feeling that this young dev, is getting a right bollocing?
Lol poor guy won't know what hit him. I'd say back the drawing board, but.... the whole idea sucked
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Nagatok
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Deacon Ix
Originally by: Aladdin InSane Edited by: Aladdin InSane on 21/10/2007 22:57:31 Anyone else get the feeling that this young dev, is getting a right bollocing?
After 15 pages we where wondering in corp if he had started crying yet, damm player base is a bunch of bullies
hey man look i like one game designer as much as the next but stupid ideas shouldnt come up....now....if this idea is dropped straight away im sure the player base will forgive him. PROGENITOR/INTREPID CROSSING pilot recruitment officer |
Redback911
Malevolent Intentions
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:01:00 -
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If ur gonna do this at least make cap reppers worth fitting, at the moment they SUCK.
In fact the whole remote repping system needs an overhaul.
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Nuwa
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nuwa on 21/10/2007 23:05:49 I agree 100% with what is posted below
What's sad is carriers already basically have enough weak points that it's 2 steps from being a joke . I used to fly carrier , kinda glad I sold that char few weeks back
Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 21/10/2007 22:20:56
Originally by: Pallidum Treponema Edited by: Pallidum Treponema on 21/10/2007 21:59:16
Originally by: R1pp3r Some of you don't recognize that carriers are fast replacing bs on the battle field. It is extremely frustrating in small group warfare to have a bunch of carriers and a mothership or 2 dropped on you as soon as your group agresses.
Now, THIS is a good point. I can definitely see how this can be an issue that needs to be adressed. In my opinion though, CCP is doing this completely in the wrong way.
You had me stopped and going "WHAT???" at this sentence alone Palli, and R1pp3r's post didn't help. So tell, on the matter of lag, which is better:
1. 2 battleships, open cyno, add 3 carriers..or 1 mothership or! 2. 50 battleships
Please do reason your way out of that one.
Also, I'm tired of the the whole argument about carriers and motherships having to be more support ships. Look for christ sake it was CCP who, a year ago, maybe less, said "We want carriers and motherships to step up to the frontlines and fight!" and thus introduced the <no pos hugging and delegating fighters!> dealie. Great, awesome..Now you want them back at POS'es basically. I'm sorry but this occurs to me as "1 step forward, 2 steps back".
Secondly, what in the WORLD is up with all this balancing crap in the first place? Haven't we had enough of that already? Look at what it did Amarr reconships, or look what balancing did to other games, like Planetside..or SWG, or ULTIMA ONLINE! The first love of my life in MMORPG'ing, RUINED, because some goobers decided it was a good idea to give everyone a fair, even playing ground.
IT'S FLAVOR YOU'RE KILLING FOR GODS SAKE! (sorry about the caps, but I can't say this enough). Things are not supposed to be in perfect balance and be equal, and fair, or soft and mushy on the whole world. It's supposed to be exciting, challenging - Make you take a risk for once in your otherwise reptitive EVE Life! You don't always need a comfy world where everything isn't a big thing that can't be dealt with without too much effort.
I personally NEED the feeling of "z0mG *flailing arms* it's a mothership! Run! *trips cause pants drop* ARGH! *crawls away in panic*" with the end result of me magically surviving the incident, or going down burning. It gives the game FLAVOR! Gives it life and charm. Whether or not ya'll think I'm right or I'm just spewing crap out of my mouth, I firmly believe that an unbalanced world where some things are powerful beyond reason above other gives you a horizon to try and beat it by unimaginable odds, think creatively and forge friendship/alliances to bring whatever it is, down.
What will you strive for with things such as this in place? Certainly not capital ships. "Argh a mothership!" Response: So what? Can't do anything "But..the name..it's size..the amount of fighters it has!..it's intimidating!" Reponse: Uh..nope, not anymore. *yawn* someone get a dictor, we'll take it down in a sec. "*completely disillusioned*...oh...but I thought...I..oh .." Response: Yeah well you thought wrong, wouldn't be balanced if such an awesome ship could fend for itself now would it.
How much does a carrier cost to build? 650 mil? 700 mil? How much does it cost to build a HAC? 30..40 mil? something like that? Divide that up and you have 16 HACs vs 1 carrier - Who wins? Pure hypothetically it's 1 carrier vs 16 HACs, thats it. Who wins?
For the love of all that is left great about EVE, Don't even consider alternatives for this, just SCRAP IT, PLEASE. Balanced - Is - BORING!! Period!
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Xilimyth Derlin
OldBastardsPub SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Xilimyth Derlin on 21/10/2007 23:06:02 Agreed on this. I'm in the process of training for carriers and was going to use them just as the support ships envisioned here. The only question I have is if using the Triage Module, I understand personal commanded drones dropping to 0, but with this delegation change, is there anyway to allow the triage to be used when fighters are delegated?
Beyond this, no problem on my end with this. Definitely a step in the right direction. People have been using carriers badly, have gotten used to them working this way as the norm, and now refuse to adapt when actually making them more team oriented.
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Snakebloke
Knights of Chaos Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:04:00 -
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this sums it up for me
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The Kan
Gallente The Circle STYX.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:04:00 -
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CCP here's one idea:
STOP HAVING IDEAS BEFORE EVE IS RUINED!
and zulupark PLS go back to wharever hole you came from, rly, i mean it.
shame my money pays you salary, you surely dont deserve it!
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Akira Miyamoto
Caldari Paisti
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:08:00 -
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Edited by: Akira Miyamoto on 21/10/2007 23:10:45
Originally by: The Kan CCP here's one idea:
STOP HAVING IDEAS BEFORE EVE IS RUINED!
and zulupark PLS go back to wharever hole you came from, rly, i mean it.
shame my money pays you salary, you surely dont deserve it!
Geez, stop smacking him, really. As he has said, this is an idea, not a ready concept. Yes, it's a bad idea but still... Personal attacks won't help your arguments tbh. _________________________________________________________
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Clinically
Gallente Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:11:00 -
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Exactly how did this Zulupark guy get a new job? I hope this will be the first and last we hear from him.
Terrible idea, Pod him.
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Max Torps
Gallente eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: Aladdin InSane Edited by: Aladdin InSane on 21/10/2007 22:57:31 Anyone else get the feeling that this young dev, is getting a right bollocing?
I feel sorry for him. It's dev's revenge for the hassle he gave them while in Q&A. Possibly.
Zulupark - Hi guys, first day, what do you want me to do? Dev - Don't worry son, we won't send you out for tartan paint, there's an idea we've been tossing around that we think is cool. Announce it in your first blog. Zulupark - OK, cool! This will really make me popular with the community because it's about big ships and stuff! Thanks guys! Dev - Yeah go for it...no problem (chuckle)
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Veinnail
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Torquemanda Corteaz
Originally by: Veinnail Awful idea tbh.
this is the wrong direction to take Carriers.
carrier lvl 5, adv drone interfacing 5, dont waste my time. unless you're going to reimburse my game time spent on these skills.
who in their right mind wastes the time for adv drone interfacing V for that one extra control mod, if you have carrier V theres barely any need to fit any DCMs O_o
anyway.... I agree with the 950 other posters when they say this is probably the single worst idea i've ever heard
why not?:)
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Dash Ripcock
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:14:00 -
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I think you are going about this the wrong way CCP.
Carriers represent a serious investment. This isn't a T2 ship that takes a few weeks to train for and costs tens of millions. This is a ship that takes months, perhaps even years to train for and costs tens of billions (for a Mothership). People hone their entire game time to strapping into these ships. You can't just lead people in one direction, then suddenly decide to drag them in the other. I think you can see from the responses that people aren't particularly pleased.
Looking at some of the posts above some ideas really stand out:
Remove Local
Why has this taken so long to implement? Make Local chat only show people who have talked during your session in that system. It makes people more careful, stops annoying logging tactics and increases the need for scouts. Not knowing what is around the corner would even result in more fights as people don't know exactly what the other has in tow. When you think about it objectively, using a chat channel as an intelligence gathering tool is just plain broken.
Insurance
I like the idea of decreased or no insurance in 0.0 space. You can role-play it by saying the banks don't extend insurance to dangerous regions of space, since they can't hope to make any profit. It also means people will be more careful with their toys rather than throw them willy-nilly into a conflict. It will really hurt losing one of these things. It could, however, result in people not undocking. That said, if everyone is in the same boat, who cares? Go out and make someone hurt already.
Fighters
Simple really. If Fighter swarms are hurting the servers, why not just do to them what you did to drones? Tougher, nastier but less of them.
There are plenty of other avenues to explore before you meddle with the ships people have devoted countless game hours into getting.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:15:00 -
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I strongly urge people not to attack Zulupark, as he's only the messenger, and I'm sure this isn't his idea alone. Plus, I really think it's the idea none of us like, not him.
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Deacon Ix
Ascendant Strategies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.21 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria I strongly urge people not to attack Zulupark, as he's only the messenger, and I'm sure this isn't his idea alone. Plus, I really think it's the idea none of us like, not him.
/signed
Originally by: Steini OFSI The most efficient way to get a dev response is to have the word beer somewhere in your thread.
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