Originally by: Icome4u

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lol idiot (again). 15km range... i'm sure a Titan is going to bother moving into range? Or maybe a dread with all its high slots to spare...

Edit: Vandalias just stop posting here, you failed at this topic.

Oh and i have 1337 topic # :P

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Originally by: Cadela Fria

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: XoPhyte

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Edited by: XoPhyte on 22/10/2007 00:04:58

Originally by: Malachon Draco

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But how would you have felt if you were sitting in Planetside, and all of a sudden, 60 of those robots come charging over the hills, and all the enemies you meet can airdrop a couple of them on top of you at any point in time?

That is the issue.

This is not about the single carrier/MS, its about the hordes of them.

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I would consider looking at my recruitment policies and looking at ways to encourage a tight knit group of highly skilled players who were passionate enough about the game and willing to invest time and energy to put themselves at the top of the PVP pyramid, and find players that were willing to risk billions of isk at any given time in any given battle.

I would not ask that the game be changed to compensate for the lack of this effort.

Blobbing at any level has proven to be bad for the game, so don't just single out 60 carriers when there are problems with 100 battleships, 200 cruisers or literally hundreds of frigates.

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the issue is the game is not made for your little elite only. Its made for the 1 day old noob as much as for the 2003 player. Elitism and arrogance has no place on game design and game balance decisions.

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So now laziness, procrastination, disorganisation and such gets rewarded?
Dedication, teamwork and passion get's punished?

I'm sorry Sir/Madam, but I don't see the connection, nor logic for that matter...

Bear with me I'm not attacking you, I'm just saying we were all small fries at some point or another, and our drive, dedication and teamwork got many of us.."big guys" (even though I don't consider myself as such), to where we are now.

Sure, you might not like the attitude and that's fine..but reward comes at the price of hard work, it always has and it always should. Are you saying BoB sat on their collective butts this whole time and did nothing to achieve what they have?

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Originally by: Rusty PwnStar

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So tell me, what have I been working on since?
My char is very specialised towards carriers.

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Originally by: Aurora White

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Welcome to Goon online.

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Originally by: Kerfira

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Edited by: Kerfira on 22/10/2007 07:50:31
POS warfare: BROKEN!
Blobbing: BROKEN!
Server lag: BROKEN!
Bombers: BROKEN!
Triage: BROKEN!
Carriers: Not broken!

....guess which one CCP tries to 'fix'...

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Originally by: Vandalias

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Guess what, there aren't that many ships in game. What exactly are you missing out on that you couldn't be in within a couple weeks? If you want you could probably be in a Titan in a couple of months.

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Originally by: Icome4u

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HAHAHAHA IDIOT AGAIN AND AGAIN!!!!

They CLEARLY have no idea wtf they want since they left them alone for almost 2 years and now they have a guy from QA working on them! HA HA HA HA!!!

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• The massive advantage given the side with a fighter blob in extreme lag situations


• MoM solo camps in low-sec

• Stop ability of Fighters to auto agress without direct command


• Don't allow fighters to warp, combine this with somehow breaking the chain on capital remote repping (ie: carrriers repping each other). This will force carrier pilots onto the front line AND make the carrier more vulnerable (ie: will need support to keep off inties or logistics ships to keep them alive)


• Look at how fighters contribute to lag and resolve that at a software/system level rather than a "Hand of God" approach which adversely impacts the player base.


• Ban MS from Low-sec. Make them 0.0 only ships just like the other super cap - Titans

• All Capital ships have the ability to store 2 fully rigged Industrial/Transport ships containing assembled Giant Secure Containers. (Logistics)
  

• All Capital ships using area of effect weaponry should emit the pulse charge from the Skin of the craft and not the centre of mass in addition to a 5% per level increase to range from Carrier ship skill. (Area of effect up to 40km)
  

• All Capital ships Electronic warfare systems should be brought to be inline with the bonus provided by the racial recon ships dual bonus. (Logistics)

• All Capital ships should have the ability to assign fighters to gang members up to and including the number of fighters indicated by a) the level of fighter skill and b) with the ability to upgrade the number of fighters by 1 per carrier level for carriers and 3 for Mother ships.
  

• Extend the range in ly of the jump facility based on JDC level by extending the base distance by an extra 4 ly per carrier 2 ly per dreadnaught/mother ship/titan. (Logistics)
  

• All Carrier/Mother ship class ships has ability to fit up to and including capital sized weapons systems with bonus consistent with racial battle ship equivalents. (Defensive/Offensive fire power)
  

• Increased capacity for a support role in larger fleets introducing new bonuses such as;
  
  
  • Remote resistance boosters
    Passive (titanesque) gang bonuses to gang members on grid / big bonuses to gang links
    Area shield
    Effective super defender missiles
    Remote ECM Burst that JAMS
    Capital neuts
    Ship tractor beams (!)
    Remote damage boosters.

• Some other new bonuses or abilities to capital ships could also include;
  
  
  • Drone Control Unit - adds +75% to Fighter/drone damage/shield/armour. This is a fixed amount, so each time one is fitted it doesn't stack, just adds from the base drone/fighter stats.
    
    New bonus - corporate hanger array extension (+25% per level) -the point is logistics, awesome, here's a stupid amount of space for you to put ships in for people to use.
    
    New bonus - 99% reduction in fitting req's for Fleet Signal Scanner
    
    New module - Fleet Signal Scanner - reduces lock speed by 50% for gang/corp members - reduces total capacitor in a similar way to what the MWD does. Some ridiculous fitting requirements so that they can't be fitted to anything but a mother ship with it's bonus to fitting.
    
    New Skill - Fleet Signal Analysis - Rank 5 skill needs Signature Analysis 5 as a pre-req. Each level gives +10% bonus to targeting speed when using a Fleet Signal Scanner. Should give a bonus of somewhere around 90% when fully trained.

Originally by: Rusty PwnStar

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A Titan?

Taking tips from a 6 month old nub 4tw

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Originally by: Yaay

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Hey devs... 46 pages of emo rage... ready for that appology for the total insult to our intellegence, and lack of your own yet?

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Originally by: CCP Zulupark

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Righto then.

So a lot of people missed the point of this blog. The idea we had is: 'Should Carriers and Motherships be more support role oriented then they are now?' Then we thought, what's a way to do that, and came up with this one.

That's when we decided to just blog the idea, and get some feedback on 2 things:
1. Do you like this idea (that is the more-support-oriented idea)?
2. If so, do you like the approach we're thinking about (fighter deployment limits)?
3. If you liked the idea but no the solution, what propositions do you have?
4. If you don't like the idea at all, why not?

Now to answer a few questions that have arisen in this thread.

Are you an idiot?
No, but thanks for posting constructively

Are you doing this to decrease lag
No, this is purely balancing ideas, nothing to do with lag or server load

Have you even played EVE or taken part in a fleet fight?
Yes

Why shouldn't a mothership be able to defend itself????
For you real-life analogy aficionados: Do you ever see a aircraft carrier travel anywhere without a blob of smaller support ships? Bad analogy, my mistake, move along, nothing to see.
For you others: It can still defend itself, but let's be real, why would you ever get yourself into a situation where the last line of defense between you and an attacking fleet are you fighters?

There won't be any difference between a Carrier and a Mothership!!
If this change nullifies the difference between those two ships, what's the difference today?

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Originally by: Vandalias

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Originally by: Rusty PwnStar

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A Titan?

Taking tips from a 6 month old nub 4tw

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Really the only pre-req you're missing is cap ships 5 and you can get in one. I mean, hell, your started that character in 2004 so you must be vastly superior to this lowly 6 month old noob, so you should have no trouble getting your uber ass into a titan. /me bows before royalty.

Also, Ad Hominems don't win arguments.

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Originally by: Vandalias

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Considering the cap ship designers are looking to change them away from that role would lead me to believe that they weren't designed for that at all. But then again they're just the designers, what the hell do they know about what the ships were designed for.

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Originally by: Icome4u

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They CLEARLY have no idea wtf they want since they left them alone for almost 2 years and now they have a guy from QA working on them!

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Originally by: Ale Tricio

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Originally by: CCP Zulupark

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Righto then.

So a lot of people missed the point of this blog. The idea we had is: 'Should Carriers and Motherships be more support role oriented then they are now?' Then we thought, what's a way to do that, and came up with this one.

That's when we decided to just blog the idea, and get some feedback on 2 things:
1. Do you like this idea (that is the more-support-oriented idea)?
2. If so, do you like the approach we're thinking about (fighter deployment limits)?
3. If you liked the idea but no the solution, what propositions do you have?
4. If you don't like the idea at all, why not?

Now to answer a few questions that have arisen in this thread.

Are you an idiot?
No, but thanks for posting constructively

Are you doing this to decrease lag
No, this is purely balancing ideas, nothing to do with lag or server load

Have you even played EVE or taken part in a fleet fight?
Yes

Why shouldn't a mothership be able to defend itself????
For you real-life analogy aficionados: Do you ever see a aircraft carrier travel anywhere without a blob of smaller support ships? Bad analogy, my mistake, move along, nothing to see.
For you others: It can still defend itself, but let's be real, why would you ever get yourself into a situation where the last line of defense between you and an attacking fleet are you fighters?

There won't be any difference between a Carrier and a Mothership!!
If this change nullifies the difference between those two ships, what's the difference today?

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Originally by: Vandalias

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Originally by: Seiver D'amross

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i agree with this compleatly, the ammount of drones were nerfted once in Shiva we dont need it again. Caps are designed to be a anti-most-everything-ship they are CAPTIAL SHIPS. if you cut off there b@lls then all you have is a oversized domi and you should not call them caps anymore.

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Considering the cap ship designers are looking to change them away from that role would lead me to believe that they weren't designed for that at all. But then again they're just the designers, what the hell do they know about what the ships were designed for.

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Originally by: Rusty PwnStar

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Yea your argument wins this thread, I'll just nip over to my local 0.0 store and buy a Titan right now.

Oh and your Ad Hominem argument buster does not work here, my point was at 6 months old, you've not had time to gain knowledge.

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Originally by: Icome4u

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Vandalias wins the FAILED award for being the biggest noob in this thread!

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Originally by: Vandalias

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Originally by: Rusty PwnStar

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Yea your argument wins this thread, I'll just nip over to my local 0.0 store and buy a Titan right now.

Oh and your Ad Hominem argument buster does not work here, my point was at 6 months old, you've not had time to gain knowledge.

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By all means do, but the availability of Titans says nothing to my point that your character could easily fly one and use all those glorious skills you've spent your time training.

Also point your about character age isn't valid since the age of this character is completely irrelevant to the discussion. Argue the points being made, not the person making the points.

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Originally by: Yaay

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Edited by: Yaay on 22/10/2007 08:45:55

Originally by: Ale Tricio

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Originally by: CCP Zulupark

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Righto then.

So a lot of people missed the point of this blog. The idea we had is: 'Should Carriers and Motherships be more support role oriented then they are now?' Then we thought, what's a way to do that, and came up with this one.

That's when we decided to just blog the idea, and get some feedback on 2 things:
1. Do you like this idea (that is the more-support-oriented idea)?
2. If so, do you like the approach we're thinking about (fighter deployment limits)?
3. If you liked the idea but no the solution, what propositions do you have?
4. If you don't like the idea at all, why not?

Now to answer a few questions that have arisen in this thread.

Are you an idiot?
No, but thanks for posting constructively

Are you doing this to decrease lag
No, this is purely balancing ideas, nothing to do with lag or server load

Have you even played EVE or taken part in a fleet fight?
Yes

Why shouldn't a mothership be able to defend itself????
For you real-life analogy aficionados: Do you ever see a aircraft carrier travel anywhere without a blob of smaller support ships? Bad analogy, my mistake, move along, nothing to see.
For you others: It can still defend itself, but let's be real, why would you ever get yourself into a situation where the last line of defense between you and an attacking fleet are you fighters?

There won't be any difference between a Carrier and a Mothership!!
If this change nullifies the difference between those two ships, what's the difference today?

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OMFG, you're really gonna fight back with that one huh. You dont' really seem to get the point these forums are yelling about. Your post show'd no real insight, understanding of the game, or comprehension of what said actions might result in. The fact that you made it to the stage where your own team couldn't realize it was a bad idea before even asking us is what's so upsetting to most here.

Stop talking, you're only making it worse now for yourself and your company.

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The kid has balls to fight back considering +1000 people are telling him NO (and idiot was also mention among many other names). I'm guessing his the type of people that answer 'maybe' to the age old question of 'should i bring a knife to a gun fight?'

Edit: Go back to QA for another year or two or change your name if you intend of NOT being publicly lynch.



This sig demonstrate the problem is not drones or fighters but the amount of people show up to blobs and fleets.

Originally by: Rusty PwnStar

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Then post with your main.

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Originally by: Vandalias

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Edited by: Vandalias on 22/10/2007 08:53:42

Originally by: Rusty PwnStar

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Then post with your main.

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My other account is inactive at the moment, but again the character I post with isn't relevant to the discussion.

Edit: by all means enlighten me.

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Originally by: rig0r

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Edited by: rig0r on 22/10/2007 08:54:48
NO.

Stop 'fixing' lag by nerfing ships.

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