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Larsonist
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:33:00 -
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CCP why dont you just make an existing cruiser, from each race, that gets a bonus to killing fighters.
problem solved...we can all go home and keep playing..
lars
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Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:34:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abathur Update - We've been working hard to address your concerns. There will be a new dev blog up very soon which should hopefully clarify things a bit. Hang in there, guys and gals.
That was a horrible coincidence CCP. You "float the idea" of drastic changes which bring 90 something pages worth of angry and disillusioned responses and then it appears you've implemented said changes on the test server and in my two years of experience 99% of what goes on the test server ends up in the game -admittedly with sometimes heavy modification- so it looked like you had decided to screw virtually all old players, break two ship classes, lie to us about it and then do it despite massive outcry and some very solid reasons against it. In fact, aside from two devs saying it was a coincidence I see nothing but evidence for the situation I just described. I've held off unsubscribing to give you a chance to explain yourselves -may be it is a coincidence and you're coming to your senses rather than blindly pushing forward- but if this dev blog doesn't show that you give a damn about your players you won't be billing me again.
It's become pretty clear in the last few days that you don't give a damn about the integrity of your game, at least show that you care about the players.
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Arshes Nei
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:34:00 -
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This is really getting out of hand. Whatever you think about these changes, getting angry and calling devs names wont help anybody. Those guys at ccp are doing their job, they dont want to ruin your gameplay, murder your dog or snatch your girlfriend from you, so everybody calm down a bit.
And those people who have lost all faith in the devteam, who cancel their accounts over mere ideas getting discussed, and are ready to always believe the worst. This change is not the problem. Your government is not trying to read your mind, and ccp is not trying to ruin their own game for some wicked agenda. If you think the guys at ccp are such lowlifes, for the sake of god, just quit already and spare all of us thinking otherwise having to read that crap again and again.
For the record, im against the change also. But that is no excuse to act like a ******, i can disagree with people without questioning their sanity/qualification for life/job. In the end its just a game, and its ccp's job to try making it fun for everyone. You dont have fun? Quit. But give them a damn chance to atleast explain their reasons, and no that doesnt mean pointing a gun to their head saying "do it now".
Sorry but that had to get out.
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Prydeless
Vengeance of the Fallen
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:34:00 -
[2404]
Shacknews just posted about it. Its getting out to the media
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Larsonist
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:35:00 -
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CCP why dont you just make an existing cruiser, from each race, that gets a bonus to killing fighters.
problem solved...we can all go home and keep playing..
lars reposted for epic love
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Robet Katrix
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:35:00 -
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whats the ETA of this NEW dev-blog? an hour? 2? tommorow morning?
this is how anger works... I get mad, you **** on me, I get madder. You ignore me, I get madder. you tell me to meet you soon... I stew even more.
as said before, no compromise is acceptable here.
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Rhaven
Praetorian BlackGuard PURGE.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: Pallidum Treponema
Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Spare me Hey maybe a stupid suggestion... but instead of nerfing... why not ADD something to counter carriers. I think i saw the idea before but.. how about making more cap ships... You might scare off most of the carrier pilots this way and make capital ship blobbing useless. However you also lose a lot of costumers. So how about adding some new kind of cap ship somewhere between BS and Carrier/Dread... or just more kinds of capital ships, since now we are restricted to either carrier or dread. More different kinds of capitals will spread the pilots a bit more and not force them to fly 1 of 2 kinds of capitals.
Thing is, theres nothing to add. Every role is filled tbh.
Not quite true. Let's face it. CCP are worried about carriers. So were the powers in WWII. Carriers were stronger than they had previously expected. So, what did they do?
They developed new ships and weapons, and adapted the ones they had. New cruisers and destroyers were built, who had far better anti-air gunnery than before. Radar systems were built that could track and control said guns. Missiles were designed that could reach aircraft at even longer distances.
At the same time, things got developed on the carrier side as well. They got more and more effective at what they were doing etc.
In eve? Well, how about an anti-drone boat is developed? Mind you, this ship NEEDS to be thorougly tested before it even hits the testserver, or it'll break the game further.
hmm something that can kill fighters quicker... you mean that frigs and distroyers can't kill them fast enough with fighters not hitting them but maybe once every 10-15 shots... In all my engagements that I have been in against carriers frigs and distroyers have had the job of killing fighters. they kill them fast. fighters as they are now have a hard time hitting frigs and some distroyer and some cruisers. a Dictor can ruin a carriers day in a hartbeat and only beign able to deploy 5 fighters if it is being attacked by a dictor and a BS or two just made carriers useless you put a bubble on a carrier and it can't jump or warp. you kill its fighters and guess what it is a sitting duck. IF this hits TQ then both my accounts will be canceled along with several others that I know of that dont post on these forums. Plenty of other games out and other game that are coming out that can take the place of EVE. guess it is for CCP to decide but making a nerf that doesn't make sence shouldn't even be a thought.
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Amaron Ghant
Caldari Ascent of Ages Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abathur Update - We've been working hard to address your concerns. There will be a new dev blog up very soon which should hopefully clarify things a bit. Hang in there, guys and gals.
"Clarify" is not the same as "rethink" or "modify" or even "forget about"
Bleh.
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Icome4u
Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Arshes Nei This is really getting out of hand. Whatever you think about these changes, getting angry and calling devs names wont help anybody. Those guys at ccp are doing their job, they dont want to ruin your gameplay, murder your dog or snatch your girlfriend from you, so everybody calm down a bit.
And those people who have lost all faith in the devteam, who cancel their accounts over mere ideas getting discussed, and are ready to always believe the worst. This change is not the problem. Your government is not trying to read your mind, and ccp is not trying to ruin their own game for some wicked agenda. If you think the guys at ccp are such lowlifes, for the sake of god, just quit already and spare all of us thinking otherwise having to read that crap again and again.
For the record, im against the change also. But that is no excuse to act like a ******, i can disagree with people without questioning their sanity/qualification for life/job. In the end its just a game, and its ccp's job to try making it fun for everyone. You dont have fun? Quit. But give them a damn chance to atleast explain their reasons, and no that doesnt mean pointing a gun to their head saying "do it now".
Sorry but that had to get out.
Being nice doesn't work. They only answer to threats. So the threats are here, hundreds of accounts being canceled. Give it a weak and it will be thousands. Lets see if CCP actually has some smart DEV's and NOT go through with this stupid idea.
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Robet Katrix
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:39:00 -
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Originally by: Prydeless Shacknews just posted about it. Its getting out to the media
link for the lazy?
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Rematha'klan
Gallente Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:40:00 -
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erh yeah - bought a 1.5 bil worth ship, to be able to use the same amount of drones as a frigging cruiser or a bs...
I wouldent hand out a fighter to my mother if she played the game, let alone some guy from across the planet ive never seen. Hell, it aint his fighter he's gonna use, so why be carefull with it. Carriers are ment to be spawning hordes of drones, thats why they are big, bad and cost a s***load of isk. Wats next? nerfing dreads to do lesser damage to pos'?
balancing? sure, np - why not balance the price of the fighters or the mods vs other ships? Devide & Conquer |
Phoenus
Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:40:00 -
[2412]
Originally by: Robet Katrix
Originally by: Prydeless Shacknews just posted about it. Its getting out to the media
link for the lazy?
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/49584
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Sykosys
Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:40:00 -
[2413]
Originally by: Robet Katrix
Originally by: Prydeless Shacknews just posted about it. Its getting out to the media
link for the lazy?
http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/49584
Pls dont do this CCP. Months of training for nothing. . .
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Grath Telkin
Amarr STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:40:00 -
[2414]
Originally by: Arshes Nei This is really getting out of hand. Whatever you think about these changes, getting angry and calling devs names wont help anybody. Those guys at ccp are doing their job, they dont want to ruin your gameplay, murder your dog or snatch your girlfriend from you, so everybody calm down a bit.
And those people who have lost all faith in the devteam, who cancel their accounts over mere ideas getting discussed, and are ready to always believe the worst. This change is not the problem. Your government is not trying to read your mind, and ccp is not trying to ruin their own game for some wicked agenda. If you think the guys at ccp are such lowlifes, for the sake of god, just quit already and spare all of us thinking otherwise having to read that crap again and again.
For the record, im against the change also. But that is no excuse to act like a ******, i can disagree with people without questioning their sanity/qualification for life/job. In the end its just a game, and its ccp's job to try making it fun for everyone. You dont have fun? Quit. But give them a damn chance to atleast explain their reasons, and no that doesnt mean pointing a gun to their head saying "do it now".
Sorry but that had to get out.
well if they arent out to ruin the game, then this idea should be publicly closed, as bad juju for the game in general. Dont defend them, at this juncture, they are far from deserving of a defense. They are hellbent on this idea, as it IS on SISI now, and it will likely see live server soon, which WILL ruin the game when the player base starts quiting en-mass. Sure, all the miners will be in hog heaven, as ALL they pvp'rs and fleet fighters will be gone.
This is the death of the game. If you cant realize that in 100 pages of anger, then you need better glasses
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wifi
Space Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:41:00 -
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Why are you trying to argue about it, they already put it on the testserver exactly as they wanted it to be. Read thishere and if you dont get that all of it has nothing to do with the bandwith then read it anew. They implanted it exactly how they wanted it to implent. And are not telling the truth about it. Scrap the whole carrier nerf. Not even " ok we nerf fighter dammage -20%" or something.
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Trishan
Green Men Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:41:00 -
[2416]
Originally by: Amaron Ghant
Originally by: CCP Abathur Update - We've been working hard to address your concerns. There will be a new dev blog up very soon which should hopefully clarify things a bit. Hang in there, guys and gals.
"Clarify" is not the same as "rethink" or "modify" or even "forget about"
Bleh.
Why should they? They have some mysterious reason for changing them that they have preferred not to illustrate so far (even when CCP has repeatedly posted). Given that their reason has not moved, they will do something about it. If not this, something else. But be sure something will be done until that concern is addressed.
Of course its a bit hard for people to talk about that when nobody really knows what's going though CCPs collective heads.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:41:00 -
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Originally by: Larsonist CCP why dont you just make an existing cruiser, from each race, that gets a bonus to killing fighters.
problem solved...we can all go home and keep playing..
lars reposted for epic love
Cruisers are already pretty damn good at killing fighters..... doesn't take them long....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Khes
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Khes on 23/10/2007 21:44:40 I would like to see a change that makes me go "Gulp, they have a mothership and 2 carriers supporting their 20 BS, this will be a hard nut to *****."
Now it is more like "Ok, another 15 enemy carrriers and 5 motherships just showed up in addition to their active 10. But thats is nothing, we have 15 more carriers waiting in a nearby system in addition to the 20 we have active in combat now.
I like the see carriers and motherships as a support to a fleet, not BEEING the fleet.
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Xthril Ranger
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:44:00 -
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If you want carriers to be logistic ships you should not add ships like heavy interdictors and dreadnoughts that can not be remote repaired. Those are key ships to keep alive so should be primary target for the repairers. . you'll never jump alone
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n4t3
Amarr Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:44:00 -
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Ok I really do not like the idea for the fact is u can't see fighters taking damage when they are assigned to someone and i dont want my fighters in the hands of someone else considering i paid for them and i own them. Further more the 5 fighters can't do jack at killing anything by yourself. if i get jumped by a bunch of people i want all 12 fighters in use and out of my archon killing people so i can get out of there. CCP Seriously you need to stop nerfing our fun or nerf the ammount of money we have to pay to play.
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Larsonist
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:45:00 -
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Quote: Cruisers are already pretty damn good at killing fighters..... doesn't take them long....
true, but in the name of balance and peace with harmony, this would make it so that there is a definative "counter", lethal counter, to carriers.
lars
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NismoR
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:45:00 -
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well i know for some people like my self have worked hard to train up for the use of carriers and dreads and have worked hard to get the isk to buy the ships fighters and the best mods to fit them
all i can say is that if ccp does this it will make the whole time i have been on the game a waste of time because that is what i have worked for
and if this does happen my 4 accounts will be cancled and reprocessed
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Icome4u
Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:49:00 -
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Originally by: Wigglytuff Personally I like the nerf to carriers.
Whine all you people want at me, they're imbalanced as far as PVP goes, just like the moros, and both are imbalanced for the same damn reasons.
However I think the nerf should only apply to two things:
1. Drones 2. MS max fighters, make the pilot able to control 15, and the other 0-10 they can delegate to others.
No more carriers being able to smite every ship they see, MS stay stronger in offense and still more useful via delegation of as many fighters as they want, and they still have their immunities and ecm of doom.
Only idiots die to a carrier or a MS. You ether can tank them, or run away. Sure you can't kill them but you CAN kill their fighters. 20 million isk a peice, i say thats pretty damn freaking fun to kill.
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Arokan Manturi
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:49:00 -
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Edited by: Arokan Manturi on 23/10/2007 21:49:27 I think the proposed changes are great! GO CCP
No really, im serious...
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Mollernak
ARK-CORP RONA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:50:00 -
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Simple answer NO!!!!!
oh and.....
Your account will be suspended at the end of the current play period. Expires on 2007.11.16
PS am not a carrier pilot
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sweetheart
Black Reign
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:50:00 -
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May aswell sell my carrier and mods , and wait to use the jump skills of a Black op's , or they gonna nerf the hell out of that too .............................................. To Win is Everything
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xBANDWAGONx
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:50:00 -
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good change imo... go CCP!!! -- so as not to confuse you, everything below those two little lines is my forum signature. Now i just need to think of something worth putting here... |
Acacia Everto
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Acacia Everto on 23/10/2007 21:51:55 How about this CCP?
Listen to your player base and listen to what they want, or you'll find them ready to leave.
If this nerf goes through despite over 90 pages of no's (and very few yeses, a couple trolls, and a few people who don't know what they're talking about), I will very likely cancel at least two of my three accounts.
Why would I want to continue paying for a game which continually balances what makes this game fun? Carriers isn't even really about fun. Other ships you continually nerf due to crying/bad dev ideas RUINS THE GAME. Life isn't fair. Nor should EVE. You CONTINUALLY STATE that EVE is all about gritty realism. Guess what? Nobody is equal if you want gritty realism. Stop balancing things that don't need balanced.
I dread new features these days, as every time you introduce a new feature, you use it as an excuse to nerf something.
I hope for your sake that the new devblog is good, or you're going to have a riot of posts and cancellations on your hands. My corpmate, who has debated on selling his character or not will probably leave forever. Why would any of my former corpmates come back to a game which gets balanced constantly in a playing field that becomes increasingly bland?
There are things that did need balancing, such as NOS, but you there too ignored SUPERIOR IDEAS. I thought bandwidth, if it worked like I thought would be an awesome idea. I see now that it'll just be used to nerf Carriers from being useful ever again in combat as YOU INTENDED and we enjoyed.
Fighter drone platforms do not need balancing. Leave them alone CCP.
I cannot begin to describe the depths of the frustration I'm feeling with you. We're the ones who live in this universe, let us live how we want to. I really, really hope this devblog is good. Don't let me, and us (the playerbase) down.
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Tressin Khiyne
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:52:00 -
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Why not just make it so that carriers with extreme drone controlling signals, interfere with each other, setting a max number of carriers a corp or alliance can have in a system at a time. This would make carrier use more tactical, as well as even out the battlefield some. To add to the effect, mods could be made to allow ships to hack a carrier's signal and disable or even take over drones.
I agree that there is no reason to have 50 carriers in one system, just make it suck if you do... or lag the drones! Yeah, too many carriers in the same alliance == drone lag. 5 carriers == 5 minute delay on drone responses.
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Larsonist
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Posted - 2007.10.23 21:52:00 -
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Quote: May aswell sell my carrier and mods , and wait to use the jump skills of a Black op's , or they gonna nerf the hell out of that too
good luck on that only people that will purchase a carrier now are those that are months and months away from them and are only wanting a big fancy hauler/pos repping machine. No one now will be purchasing them in enough quantities to meet the demand for the sales that will occur. price....through the floor
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