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Olav Minmatar KDM Corp Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:53:00 - [2431] so pl train 1-2 years for a ship and it cost 10 tines the amount of a BS then it get made usless i dont even have a carrier and are not training for it but if this change get made im quiting the game. its not often i post with my main but now i do. CCP wantto make this change becouse they want to make it alot more easy for the new players in the game they forget the old players. ALL they are thinking about are the Money they can get from new player with multi accounts the yforget the old once that have stuck with this game for years and can fly those ships. CCP try and think about something els than the $ all the time. if you do thos you will lose a ****load of the old playe base i have talked to alot of them and tehy all say the same #ñ&#&#& THIS WHO have cake ?????????????????????????????
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:54:00 - [2432] Originally by: sweetheart May aswell sell my carrier and mods , and wait to use the jump skills of a Black op's , or they gonna nerf the hell out of that too Prolly nerf the black ops too, been looking at the specs that came out and they look pretty mean beasts. I'm sure that after the first ganks alot of whining and cheese will roll in the forums and those ships will be nerfed to death also. Btw, i'm amazed in a negative sense that CCP doesn't seem sensible to listen just this once to their playerbase and seem to be willing to risk dozens of people leaving. Either that or they are confident that numbers will rise no matter what. _____________________________________
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:55:00 - [2433] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Khes Edited by: Khes on 23/10/2007 21:44:40 I would like to see a change that makes me go "Gulp, they have a mothership and 2 carriers supporting their 20 BS, this will be a hard nut to *****." Now it is more like "Ok, another 15 enemy carrriers and 5 motherships just showed up in addition to their active 10. But thats is nothing, we have 15 more carriers waiting in a nearby system in addition to the 20 we have active in combat now. I like the see carriers and motherships as a support to a fleet, not BEEING the fleet. You and the people like you saying this have no ideia of what happens in fleet fights and have absolutely no clue on the meaning and definition of the word FLEET so please shut it. Btw, post with your main. Ok, im sorry, I guess I was imagening the last fleet-fight I was in.
TheAdj Endless Destruction Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:55:00 - [2434] I understand the attempt to make carriers more of a support ship, but this is a step in the wrong direction. This is a pretty large carrier nerf and a monstrous mothership nerf, the entire point of a mothership is it can deploy more fighters. A lot of people delegate fighters as it is, you do not need to damage the carriers frontline ability just to make everyone do this. I can almost agree with the change to the number of regular drones however, being a ceptor pilot I cringe when I see 10 Warrior IIs pile out of a thanatos. I still don't think any of this is necessary however, they're fine as they are. ---------------- Alliance Killboard
Sykosys Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:56:00 - [2435] Can deploy 3 additional Fighters per level This is under the description of every mothership. Only able to control 5 fighters is a HUGE nerf as some people truly cant be trusted in this game with figthers at all. Why would you make such a harsh change to a ship which RELIES on its number of drones/fighters it can control. This makes no sense at all.
Arokan Manturi Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:57:00 - [2436] Originally by: Acacia Everto Edited by: Acacia Everto on 23/10/2007 21:51:55 How about this CCP? Listen to your player base and listen to what they want, or you'll find them ready to leave. If this nerf goes through despite over 90 pages of no's (and very few yeses, a couple trolls, and a few people who don't know what they're talking about), I will very likely cancel at least two of my three accounts. Why would I want to continue paying for a game which continually balances what makes this game fun? Carriers isn't even really about fun. Other ships you continually nerf due to crying/bad dev ideas RUINS THE GAME. Life isn't fair. Nor should EVE. You CONTINUALLY STATE that EVE is all about gritty realism. Guess what? Nobody is equal if you want gritty realism. Stop balancing things that don't need balanced. I dread new features these days, as every time you introduce a new feature, you use it as an excuse to nerf something. I hope for your sake that the new devblog is good, or you're going to have a riot of posts and cancellations on your hands. My corpmate, who has debated on selling his character or not will probably leave forever. Why would any of my former corpmates come back to a game which gets balanced constantly in a playing field that becomes increasingly bland? There are things that did need balancing, such as NOS, but you there too ignored SUPERIOR IDEAS. I thought bandwidth, if it worked like I thought would be an awesome idea. I see now that it'll just be used to nerf Carriers from being useful ever again in combat as YOU INTENDED and we enjoyed. Fighter drone platforms do not need balancing. Leave them alone CCP. I cannot begin to describe the depths of the frustration I'm feeling with you. We're the ones who live in this universe, let us live how we want to. I really, really hope this devblog is good. Don't let me, and us (the playerbase) down. Can i have ur stuff?
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:57:00 - [2437] Originally by: Tressin Khiyne Why not just make it so that carriers with extreme drone controlling signals, interfere with each other, setting a max number of carriers a corp or alliance can have in a system at a time. This would make carrier use more tactical, as well as even out the battlefield some. To add to the effect, mods could be made to allow ships to hack a carrier's signal and disable or even take over drones. I agree that there is no reason to have 50 carriers in one system, just make it suck if you do... or lag the drones! Yeah, too many carriers in the same alliance == drone lag. 5 carriers == 5 minute delay on drone responses. Yep, but leave the 400-500 frigates and cruisers that jump into systems and cause the REAL lag alone, go after the 50 players who have dedicated a lot of time and effort into this game.
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:57:00 - [2438] Originally by: Yawgmoth So the only role for a carrier is to sit in at a POS assault and hopefully rep the dreads and maybe suck some hits off them. Can't rep dreads in siege mode...... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Aurix Lexico Euphoria Foundation	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:57:00 - [2439] Carriers and moms are fine. All this change would do is make them jump hauling POS huggers, and the most boring ships in eve. It would also screw ALOT of people over, people who have spent months (years in the case of moms) for something that is now useless. ps, not a capital pilot
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:58:00 - [2440] Originally by: Khes Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Khes Edited by: Khes on 23/10/2007 21:44:40 I would like to see a change that makes me go "Gulp, they have a mothership and 2 carriers supporting their 20 BS, this will be a hard nut to *****." Now it is more like "Ok, another 15 enemy carrriers and 5 motherships just showed up in addition to their active 10. But thats is nothing, we have 15 more carriers waiting in a nearby system in addition to the 20 we have active in combat now. I like the see carriers and motherships as a support to a fleet, not BEEING the fleet. You and the people like you saying this have no ideia of what happens in fleet fights and have absolutely no clue on the meaning and definition of the word FLEET so please shut it. Btw, post with your main. Ok, im sorry, I guess I was imagening the last fleet-fight I was in. What 5x5 rifters in Jita? Fantastic. Your point makes no sense. _____________________________________

Jovialmadness	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:59:00 - [2441] Edited by: Jovialmadness on 23/10/2007 21:59:06 i was thinking, maybe the real issue here is money. if they make a hello kitty online game out of a sweet fairly functional game, then they can attract thousands and thousands of other players that like that sort of drizzle. Losing a couple thousand accounts from old schoolers is nothing to the multi-thousands they might gain. This is all, of course, assuming we dont absolutely slander the company out of game because of their slow progression towards some form of bizarre ship equality that some feel is acceptable. i find it amazing that people seem to think that: 1. a 50 million skill point character should not be as powerful as a 5 million skill point character and 2. a 30 billion isk ship should not be as powerful as a 60 million isk ship. If i even get a wiff the devs are ACTUALLY attempting this route. Say adios amigos!! Quote: As a side note, i liken capacitor to blood. Without blood, nothing can function in the body. I do NOT like being a race that bleeds quicker than anyone else. yes, i am an alt..Jovial Quote:
Hysidee Black Avatar	Posted - 2007.10.23 21:59:00 - [2442] Originally by: Olav so pl train 1-2 years for a ship and it cost 10 tines the amount of a BS then it get made usless i dont even have a carrier and are not training for it but if this change get made im quiting the game. its not often i post with my main but now i do. CCP wantto make this change becouse they want to make it alot more easy for the new players in the game they forget the old players. ALL they are thinking about are the Money they can get from new player with multi accounts the yforget the old once that have stuck with this game for years and can fly those ships. CCP try and think about something els than the $ all the time. if you do thos you will lose a ****load of the old playe base i have talked to alot of them and tehy all say the same #ñ&#&#& THIS Its true, they might get new players signing up with multiple accounts, but at the same time old players with existing multiple accounts will be leaving... Carriers are fine the way they are, as are motherships. Last thing i will say on this CCP: You made changes a few months ago to make carriers more frontline orientated. Now you're countering it because the servers cant handle it?!?! This is not the players fault!!! Carriers and motherships will return to POS hugging ships, as there is 0 point in having them in front line action with the way things stand.
Cpt Abestos Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:01:00 - [2443] Originally by: Xune Edited by: Xune on 23/10/2007 20:37:08 Edited by: Xune on 23/10/2007 20:34:12 Edited by: Xune on 23/10/2007 20:33:34 Originally by: CCP Abathur Edited by: CCP Abathur on 23/10/2007 18:40:56 Ladies and Gentlemen, this has to do with the upcoming drone and fighter bandwidth and is not related to the delegation idea. The test server gets updated daily and as Trinity gets closer to release you will likely see a lot of things happening there. We are also working on an updated new dev blog to outline our concerns and plans for carriers. Please do not jump to conclusions and be patient. Thank you. This is a false information! This is a false information! This is a false information! This is a false information! Bandwith of an archon is exactly 125mb Light drones tech2 take 5 mb ergo i should be able to start 10+3 Drones from carrier and 3 controll units since its NOT going over the Bandwith limitation of the carrier. Actualy i can launche 8. which means 5 from my drone skill +1 each from Drone controll unit (tested without controll units 5 drones, with 1 controll unit 6 drones and so on) So DONT lie into our faces saying its not the limitation or the removal of the drone/fighter add bonus from the carriers. Ccp what exactly are your trying to do here ? Xune (sad sad kitten in 7 day¦s should have been her 4 eve birhtday but shes NOT going to have it when she dosent get an answer) edit: needed to fix some stuff
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:01:00 - [2444] It's funny how this topic labled "Will CCP be Blackmailed .... Again?" comes out in CAOD 1 month ago and talks about how newer players are complaining about fighters and then this "change" gets put into effect 30 days later. Heres the topic... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=595962
Bael Lightstorm	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:04:00 - [2445] I'm not a carrier pilot but in the time I've been playing this game I could have decided to spend my all my time and ISK going in that direction. If I had, I would be really hacked off now as all that time and investment could potentially be wasted. While this nerf may be justified from a balancing point of view (i'm not entirely convinced so far), it is a nerf that really hurts medium aged characters, especially those who have been very focused in their choice of skills or who are just about to become 'carrier ready'. I think this thread shows the general feeling of the playerbase well enough... hopefully we will see a rethink of this 'idea'.
Khes	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:04:00 - [2446] Edited by: Khes on 23/10/2007 22:05:00 Originally by: Dionisius What 5x5 rifters in Jita? Fantastic. Your point makes no sense. My point is that Im with CCP on their views that they want fighter-carrying capitals to be more of a support ship then a striking ship. The fleet-battle Ive been in lately is spammed with carriers and the support is mostly there to kill as many enemy fighters as possible. And I belive that is the wrong direction the fleet-battles is going.
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:06:00 - [2447] Originally by: Khes My point is that Im with CCP on their views that they want fighter-carrying capitals to be more of a support ship then a striking ship. The fleet-battle Ive been in lately is spammed with carriers and the support is mostly there to kill as many enemy fighters as possible. And I belive that is the wrong direction the fleet-battles is going. Are you in the fleet battles on the side that brings hundreds of frigates and cruisers jumping through the gates? But thats alright right? I find it very amusing that the people that blob the most complain about a gang of 50. Remove the frigate and cruiser blob, and the carrier "blob" would not be needed.
Gunship Amarr THE INQUISITI0N	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:10:00 - [2448] Dear CCP, Thats a very bad idea. Could you please reconsider. Kind regards Gunny
Kuroro Lucifer Genei Ryodan	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:11:00 - [2449] Originally by: Kerfira yet they have not implemented any form of crowd control in the game. Crowd Control Productions can't produce crowd control? Lies! --- The spider will live forever
Andreas Kallesoee Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:11:00 - [2450] If this change goes through in any shape or form that even smells of a nerf for my carrier and with pirat of the burning sea comming out in january i think i will have to take my monthly supscrition fees up for a seriouse reconsideration as i did not train for around a year and spend QUITE a few billion isk on going all over the place in my carrier to just have it pulled from under me and have it turned into a bad dominix with a bigger dronebay and a better tank but no where near the same posibilitys to run away.

Khes	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:14:00 - [2451] Originally by: XoPhyte Originally by: Khes My point is that Im with CCP on their views that they want fighter-carrying capitals to be more of a support ship then a striking ship. The fleet-battle Ive been in lately is spammed with carriers and the support is mostly there to kill as many enemy fighters as possible. And I belive that is the wrong direction the fleet-battles is going. Are you in the fleet battles on the side that brings hundreds of frigates and cruisers jumping through the gates? But thats alright right? I find it very amusing that the people that blob the most complain about a gang of 50. Remove the frigate and cruiser blob, and the carrier "blob" would not be needed. All Im saying is that in a gang of 50 there should be more like 5 capitals and rest BS and smaller, and not 20 capitals. If capitals would make blobs go away, fine, but unfortunately they do not.
Agrigan	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:16:00 - [2452] Originally by: Gunship Dear CCP, Thats a very bad idea. Could you please reconsider. Kind regards Gunny Well put. I think if a thousand people quote that statement, CCP will listen.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis Te-Ka	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:16:00 - [2453] Originally by: Khes Edited by: Khes on 23/10/2007 22:05:00 Originally by: Dionisius What 5x5 rifters in Jita? Fantastic. Your point makes no sense. My point is that Im with CCP on their views that they want fighter-carrying capitals to be more of a support ship then a striking ship. The fleet-battle Ive been in lately is spammed with carriers and the support is mostly there to kill as many enemy fighters as possible. And I belive that is the wrong direction the fleet-battles is going. Carriers are not support ships in the way CCP is nerfing them. Carriers will be completely defenseless ships not to mention useless. If in a given battle the number of capital ships is high it was the defenders or atackers choice to use them a pretty valid one, carriers exist to be used and are valid battle units providing support either by the direct use of drones/fighters or anything else. Killing these ships is just to satisfy a group of people that does not have a clue or concern on how the game works, wich is not completely bad, other prioritary issues have to be addressed other than carriers wich are not broken, hence they do not need fixing. _____________________________________
Veng3ance Prophets Of a Damned Universe	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:16:00 - [2454] Edited by: Veng3ance on 23/10/2007 22:21:42 Please just keep the frontline carrier alive! Carrier Limit of Regular drones allowed, but only 5 fighters. Role Bonus 50% to Drone hitpoints and damage (Not effecting fighters) Please please please.
lceman Gallente THE INQUISITI0N	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:18:00 - [2455] Quote: The cake is a lie erhh, i mean the carrier nerf is a lie. Please i've spent over 1 years training in capital for a nyx, i've put over 9 bill in mothership consortium, i do not like this idea. If what not is, what is ?.
XoPhyte Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:18:00 - [2456] Originally by: Khes Originally by: XoPhyte Originally by: Khes My point is that Im with CCP on their views that they want fighter-carrying capitals to be more of a support ship then a striking ship. The fleet-battle Ive been in lately is spammed with carriers and the support is mostly there to kill as many enemy fighters as possible. And I belive that is the wrong direction the fleet-battles is going. Are you in the fleet battles on the side that brings hundreds of frigates and cruisers jumping through the gates? But thats alright right? I find it very amusing that the people that blob the most complain about a gang of 50. Remove the frigate and cruiser blob, and the carrier "blob" would not be needed. All Im saying is that in a gang of 50 there should be more like 5 capitals and rest BS and smaller, and not 20 capitals. If capitals would make blobs go away, fine, but unfortunately they do not. So can we then say in a gang of 50 there should only be 5 battleships as well? Because if not then they will overpower the cruisers, and so forth and so on.
Blood Ghost Occam's Razor Combine	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:19:00 - [2457] Edited by: Blood Ghost on 23/10/2007 22:18:56 Originally by: Veng3ance Please just keep the frontline carrier alive! 13 Regular drones allowed, but only 5 fighters. Role Bonus 50% to Drone hitpoints and damage (Not effecting fighters) Please please please. See the problem we have now is people donÆt want this nerf so much, there willing to accept any change which is somehow not as bad. Well no thanks, carrierÆs damage is fine atm, any nerf and IÆm gone
Jaabaa Prime Dental Drilling Corporation	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:19:00 - [2458] Edited by: Jaabaa Prime on 23/10/2007 22:22:26 The idea is still BOLLOXS and will remain BOLLOXS, even if you simply take SPs, ISK and time invested into account, it's still BOLLOXS. After that investment, I think that you SHOULD be able to BBQ a battleship. What CCP got wrong, was making sure that they can't get scrambled in EMPIRE, no bubbles, no 'dictors, no way. Remove this ability (i.e. not being able to be warp scrambled without a bubble) otherwise it remains BOLLOXS. So, Zulu, after so many pages, did you get the position of the players, the idea is BOLLOXS. --
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:19:00 - [2459] Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/10/2007 22:20:00 Originally by: Veng3ance Please just keep the frontline carrier alive! 13 Regular drones allowed, but only 5 fighters. Role Bonus 50% to Drone hitpoints and damage (Not effecting fighters) Please please please. ...The hell??? Not good enough! DO - NOT - WANT! No nerfing! -_-
wifi Space Monkeys	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:20:00 - [2460] Originally by: Veng3ance Please just keep the frontline carrier alive! 13 Regular drones allowed, but only 5 fighters. Role Bonus 50% to Drone hitpoints and damage (Not effecting fighters) Please please please. why accepting a nerft thats not needed ? carriers die when they are alone. Its a fact ! 1 Maulus +1 Bs = death carrier 1 Lachesis = death carryer it can keep it dampend and tackled till his friends come from the other side of the map Moms are expensiv and still rather easy to kill. A fighter dies in seconds to concentrated fire, so do drones. Use 2-3 eagels to snipe of the fighters and drones and its not dammaging you anymore if your not stupid enough to get into smartbomb range. Carrier and moms are NOT overpowered, they NEED support like lot of carrier and mom kills show. if they are alone, they die even true random encounters.



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