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Grath Telkin
Amarr STK Scientific Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:03:00 -
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if they are listening....TELL US SOMETHING
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lofty29
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:03:00 -
[2522]
3000 posts. Epic. ---
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Athena Volo
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:03:00 -
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My small corp is slowly working up the courage and resolve to go play in low-sec. One of the main draws is so we can use a carrier. Its big, its expensive, it screams out 'LOOK AT ME! I'M A TARGET!'.
With that in mind, my 2 biggest concern about carriers was: 'Is it really worth the isk in equipment, skills, and more importantly time to train all those blasted skills up to be effective?' and 'Man, this 1,000,000,000 isk ship looks fragile, and painful to loose.'
I decided it might be worth it, and begin training the skills. Advance Spaceship Command V check. Battleship V check. Jumpdrive Operation V Check. Capital Ships IV check. Now i've been saving isk for fighters, adv. drone interfacing, capital ______ systems, the carrier skill, the 2 other jump dive skills etc etc etc. Then this Dev Blog show up. Then the changes appear on the test server. And my resolve and goal to get a carrier just got podded with no clone to back it up.
So now what? Is a carrier still worth is?
For gang boosting, it is more time and cost effective to use a T1 Battlecruiser. For logistics, the new Jump Freighters seem to be superior. For protection, a Dominix will be more flexible, and probably do more damage. A Logistics cruiser can repair a lot of damage. at a fraction of the cost in time and isk. For refitting of corp mates, an Iteron IV with a small POS in it would probably work.
My main draw of a carrier is/was its flexibility. You need gang boosting? No problem, you need support? got it. Logistics? painful but can do. A bit of power projection, and a magnet for missiles and enemy fire? Jumping into the fray. Look at all the cool 'X' things orbiting my neat ship! Fun!
Or not.
Now, with these changes, a carrier can still do many of these roles, but with the added complexity of having to assign very expensive fighters to people in order to project the same force. What happens if the person crashes/blows up/docks with your fighters still assigned? Do they come back? Say I CTD, what happens to the assigned fighters? Doubt, Doubt and more doubt.
Sure it can still repair and haul and do other such things, but combat is a rather large part of EVE, and fun too. I think it is mean to take a ship that -could- fight from the get go, and decide after a long while, nah it is supposed to be logistics only. Double mean with how long it takes to train all the skills for it.
Build 27121 to 27912 addresses REVELATIONS Patch Notes, Features, Fixes and Improvements
Quote: Fighter production and research times have been cut in half. Go out and shoot each other more.
I want to, you wanted me to a while back. Now you don't want me to shoot things with carriers?
Please make up your mind. I really, really hope you decide not to do this terrible thing.
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ALPHA12125
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: ALPHA12125 on 23/10/2007 23:04:17 post 3000 try 2
damn lots of forum *****s today
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Ztrain
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Robet Katrix post 3000~!~~~~!!!!
GET OWNED
Bastard!!!! Dev hax I tell you!!!!
Z CCP (Producers of Slide Show Online) takin the fun out of EVE, one patch at a time. |
Vayna Miychovich
NED-Clan R i s e
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Coolgamer Edited by: Coolgamer on 21/10/2007 16:24:17 Hey if you want to work on some change for carriers user here are some very good ideas
i'll link them to you since seem most of them just go to oblivion, instead of those stupid "omg i got an idea i'll nerf the game and ruin your fun"
example 1 : give ability to make shortcuts better : shortcuts for drones like using shortcuts for controlling DRONES, omg this is an idea interesting !
example 2 : have some DECENT drone menu, and not the one in overview thta is damn laggy thanks to database when you carrer carries over 500 drones in multiple folders.
like : i simply love the following one : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=422990
one of my favorite oldest (the stacking thing) : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=9431 yes 4 years we wait for a BETTER DRONE MANAGEMENT system
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=440979 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=279072 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=497025
Some goods ideas from Aeon also : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=494448
example 3 : About bumping (yes bumping super cap and cap is silly and even though last patch, game mechanics dont reflect what would be reality) : funny one : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=490326 realistic one : http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=479182 (in a space opera when a small ship rush and crash on a large one, expect the small ship to die, the large one unharmed) Basically a bumped ship should not be stopped if it's size larger than the ship bumping him
example 4 : well your try now, use your brain, but NOT A DAMN NERF !!
you have many ideas there, all without any devs reply, take a coffee and read them instead thinking or nerfing the game that cost your brain nothing to do.
What he said. Focus on real issues instead of searching for problems. Or join the capital battles in the South and see for yourself how vulnerable these ships are. Capitals are an ISK sink in current days warfare.
-------------------------------------------------- RISE Above and Conquer
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Grimster
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: ALPHA12125 post 3000 try 2
Welcome to 3005
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Hysidee
Black Avatar
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Icome4u In 1 year everyone will be in dreads. Lets have gang mates control the dread guns like they control POS guns! The coding is pretty much ready!
2 theories: You are looking to be hired by ccp for this nerf, i men great idea to reduce lag or You have inside info on the next big step in "balancing" capital ships
Does this mean a titan will need a support fleet worshipping (orbitting) around it to gain enough power to let a DD off? (have an image of worshippers from Black and White now in my head)
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JonVe
Gallente FireTech Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:05:00 -
[2529]
2,999 is a far cooler number
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Clamn8er
Refuge of the Damned
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: The Economist 48 hours, 80 pages and over 2300 posts detailing every reason under the sun why you should leave well alone (and even providing some interesting ideas to look at if you really want to fiddle with some content) and still no apology, no retraction and not even so much as a constructive comment from anyone at CCP; I'm getting worried.
NOW IT'S 100 PAGES AND STILL NO RESPONSE, STILL NO RETRACTION, STILL NO APOLOGY AND STILL NO ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF THE MASSIVE DATABASE OF CONSTRUCTIVE COMMENTS ACCUMULATED HERE.
WORRIED? I'M F****** FURIOUS.
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Helison
Gallente Times of Ancar Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Xune Edited by: Xune on 23/10/2007 22:31:02 CCP Abathur Im stillw aiting for a response about this here... nothing to say ? no ? not a bit ? no one else ? you are trying to fool us ?.
I want your response to this. Why did you activly lied to us ? just to keep us silent ? or did you simply not know which would be allso somewhat shocking. Originally by: Xune Originally by: Xune --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally by: CCP Abathur -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited by: CCP Abathur on 23/10/2007 18:40:56
Ladies and Gentlemen, this has to do with the upcoming drone and fighter bandwidth and is not related to the delegation idea. The test server gets updated daily and as Trinity gets closer to release you will likely see a lot of things happening there. We are also working on an updated new dev blog to outline our concerns and plans for carriers. Please do not jump to conclusions and be patient. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is a false information! This is a false information! This is a false information! This is a false information! Bandwith of an archon is exactly 125mb Light drones tech2 take 5 mb
ergo i should be able to start 10+3 Drones from carrier and 3 controll units since its NOT going over the Bandwith limitation of the carrier.
Actualy i can launche 8. which means 5 from my drone skill +1 each from Drone controll unit (tested without controll units 5 drones, with 1 controll unit 6 drones and so on)
So DONT lie into our faces saying its not the limitation or the removal of the drone/fighter add bonus from the carriers.
Ccp what exactly are your trying to do here ?
I just checked this on Sisi, and I have no problems to launch 12 Hammerhead II from my Carrier (with 4 drone control units).
I donŠt like the nerf myself, but please get first your facts correct before attacking Devs.
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Ztrain
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:07:00 -
[2532]
Edited by: Ztrain on 23/10/2007 23:11:44
Originally by: Hysidee Does this mean a titan will need a support fleet worshipping (orbitting) around it to gain enough power to let a DD off? (have an image of worshippers from Black and White now in my head)
Hallowed are the Ori.....
Edit: JUST IN!!! Reason why the dev's haven't been around to post is because the CFO noticed drop in subscriptions over the last hour. Went over to the head developer and said WTF Yo!!! To which they said, but we already spent the last month coding it this way and for us to have to change it would push back the Rev 3 deployment.
To which a flurry of throttlings to the ears and face were dispensed. They are now fleeing the building with ambulances arriving at the scene at the moment.
Z CCP (Producers of Slide Show Online) takin the fun out of EVE, one patch at a time. |
Kwint Sommer
Incoherent Inc Otaku Invasion
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:07:00 -
[2533]
Originally by: lofty29 Page 100, still no response. Yey!
There were actually a few dev posts in the thread. Though they were all either indignant or kindly asking us to hold off on the effigy burning until after the supposedly imminent dev blog. None contained what I would term a "response" more just one dev noticed we existed, told us to simmer down and then wondered away.
Devs, if you really are reading this look at several of my earlier posts for alternatives to the planned changes.
Sig removed. Please keep sigs to 400x120 pixels and 24000 bytes in size or less. -Kaemonn |
Icome4u
Caldari Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Hysidee
Originally by: Icome4u In 1 year everyone will be in dreads. Lets have gang mates control the dread guns like they control POS guns! The coding is pretty much ready!
2 theories: You are looking to be hired by ccp for this nerf, i men great idea to reduce lag or You have inside info on the next big step in "balancing" capital ships
Does this mean a titan will need a support fleet worshipping (orbitting) around it to gain enough power to let a DD off? (have an image of worshippers from Black and White now in my head)
Titans next balance is quite simple (we don't work hard at CCP m'kay). You need +100 people in gang to be able to DD.
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Kebabski
Minmatar Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ztrain
Originally by: Hysidee Does this mean a titan will need a support fleet worshipping (orbitting) around it to gain enough power to let a DD off? (have an image of worshippers from Black and White now in my head)
Hallowed are the Ori.....
Z
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Stradivarious
Minmatar Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Abathur Update - We've been working hard to address your concerns. There will be a new dev blog up very soon which should hopefully clarify things a bit. Hang in there, guys and gals.
Not good enough
Subscription Status: Active Cancellation Pending Expires: 27. October 2007 Total Charges Made: 51
First charge: 2003-07-17 Been paying continously since then.
The other 3 accounts are identical except for starting dates. Tired of being lied to.... Fix it or goodbye.
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sweetheart
Black Reign
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:09:00 -
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Edited by: sweetheart on 23/10/2007 23:13:35 People read the Ship Description , if they like the sounds of it , they train it up , as Capitals take many skills to be good , atleast 9 months goes into training a good Carrier pilot , given that you have the base skills already . You expect then to be able to fly that ship in the description , not have it totally changed , or you wouldn't have ever bothered and wasted time and isk doing so . Capitals are meant to be powerfull , hence the name and price and skills and training involved , and Supercaps aint called super for nothing .. This is a total missleading rip off if this nerf goes ahead !!!
Subscription Status: Active Cancellation Pending Expires: 28. October 2007 Total Charges Made: 43
First charge: 2004-04-30 Been paying continously since then.
.............................................. To Win is Everything
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Reptzo
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:09:00 -
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Originally by: Ztrain
Originally by: Hysidee Does this mean a titan will need a support fleet worshipping (orbitting) around it to gain enough power to let a DD off? (have an image of worshippers from Black and White now in my head)
Hallowed are the Ori.....
Z
LOL
LOL
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Robet Katrix
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:10:00 -
[2539]
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: lofty29 Page 100, still no response. Yey!
There were actually a few dev posts in the thread. Though they were all either indignant or kindly asking us to hold off on the effigy burning until after the supposedly imminent dev blog. None contained what I would term a "response" more just one dev noticed we existed, told us to simmer down and then wondered away.
Devs, if you really are reading this look at several of my earlier posts for alternatives to the planned changes.
and you must not forget eris telling us to go **** ourselves cause we are BIASED apparently.
especially after her stint on eve-tv showed us just how little she knows about this game
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Mundem Pashdale
Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Kwint Sommer
There were actually a few dev posts in the thread. Though they were all either indignant or kindly asking us to hold off on the effigy burning until after the supposedly imminent dev blog. None contained what I would term a "response" more just one dev noticed we existed, told us to simmer down and then wondered away.
Devs, if you really are reading this look at several of my earlier posts for alternatives to the planned changes.
Simmer down, I like it. You'd think after such a BIG response, someone might stay up late and try to stop people closing accounts? CCP cares for us. Remember that
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Reptzo
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:11:00 -
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Originally by: Robet Katrix
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: lofty29 Page 100, still no response. Yey!
There were actually a few dev posts in the thread. Though they were all either indignant or kindly asking us to hold off on the effigy burning until after the supposedly imminent dev blog. None contained what I would term a "response" more just one dev noticed we existed, told us to simmer down and then wondered away.
Devs, if you really are reading this look at several of my earlier posts for alternatives to the planned changes.
and you must not forget eris telling us to go **** ourselves cause we are BIASED apparently.
especially after her stint on eve-tv showed us just how little she knows about this game
For those of us that don't know, what happened on eve-tv????? DO TELL
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JonVe
Gallente FireTech Pure.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:12:00 -
[2542]
Originally by: Robet Katrix
Originally by: Kwint Sommer
Originally by: lofty29 Page 100, still no response. Yey!
There were actually a few dev posts in the thread. Though they were all either indignant or kindly asking us to hold off on the effigy burning until after the supposedly imminent dev blog. None contained what I would term a "response" more just one dev noticed we existed, told us to simmer down and then wondered away.
Devs, if you really are reading this look at several of my earlier posts for alternatives to the planned changes.
and you must not forget eris telling us to go **** ourselves cause we are BIASED apparently.
especially after her stint on eve-tv showed us just how little she knows about this game
What did she do there?
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Dachtor
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:12:00 -
[2543]
Its On Digg now...Make it popular
Digg.com link to Eve story
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Tressin Khiyne
The Tal'Shiar
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/10/2007 22:58:58 Edited by: Cadela Fria on 23/10/2007 22:56:48 OMG w00t!! \o/ First on page 100 ^_^
----- Also since I have achieved this epic position (sounds sexual doesn't it? :P), I hereby demand that this infuriating idea, along with it's preliminary introduction with Bandwidth, is completely and utterly abolished.
kthx! Master of Page 100!
^^LOL!!!^^
HERE HERE!!! --
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ThisAlt IsUseless
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:13:00 -
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Originally by: from blog
Originally by: from blog
Originally by: from blog
Originally by: from blog
Originally by: from blog
Remember that this is still just an idea and we want your feedback on this, so please, post constructively and you just might make a difference in the (EVE) universe.
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Yawgmoth
Amarr Solar Storm Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:14:00 -
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Edited by: Yawgmoth on 23/10/2007 23:14:01
Originally by: Andreas Kallesoee If this change goes through in any shape or form that even smells of a nerf for my carrier and with pirat of the burning sea comming out in january i think i will have to take my monthly supscrition fees up for a seriouse reconsideration as i did not train for around a year and spend QUITE a few billion isk on going all over the place in my carrier to just have it pulled from under me and have it turned into a bad dominix with a bigger dronebay and a better tank but no where near the same posibilitys to run away.
This! I also did not train BS V, and all those stupid ancillary skills to fly a glorified repair ship. The thing I liked about carriers were you could do the logistics thing if you wanted, or you could have a front line carrier. You could have a support carrier, or a combat carrier, or somewhere in between. A carrier is simply not a wtfpwn mobile as it stands. Too many things can happen to a carrier. It cannot do enough damage to kill a bs in .2 seconds like the dev guy claimed, in fact fighters seem to have a little trouble hitting even BSs. If you want people to use a carrier for logistics, create another carrier type, call it "Fleet Carrier" give it all the logistics bonuses from the normal carrier, make it able to field all its fighters at once but control none.
Or something. Moral of the story is LEAVE MY CARRIER ALONE! "So how did you survive this long in 0.0 with no MWD?" 'I didn't. I died. Alot' |
ThisAlt IsUseless
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: ThisAlt IsUseless
Remember that this is still just an idea and we want your feedback on this, so please, post constructively and you just might make a difference in the (EVE) universe.
Also, please lay off the quote button, and post with your main.
no?
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Reptzo
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:21:00 -
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Originally by: ThisAlt IsUseless
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Originally by: ThisAlt IsUseless
Remember that this is still just an idea and we want your feedback on this, so please, post constructively and you just might make a difference in the (EVE) universe.
Also, please lay off the quote button, and post with your main.
no?
This needs more YO MAMA
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ArmyOfMe
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:21:00 -
[2549]
last in a epic thread?
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Mire lestat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:22:00 -
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Here is the one problem I see. During fleet battles I have sent a swarm of shield drones on a friendly target, 5 seconds after that I got hit with massive Ewar. neutralizing my logistics to 10k or less with over 100 second lock time of friendly ships. The swarm of shield drones kept that friendly target alive during the fleet battle as I struggled through the Ewar.
If you limit drones to 5 only with a cap ship it effects the amount of healing repair drones can do. And the number of friendly ships you can send repair drones to.
And I will refrain from mentioning the mining drone swarms during mining ops. or the swarms of Ewar drones. nothing says hello like 10 target laser drones on a interdictor.
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