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vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:05:00 -
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so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs: - carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier) - torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma - eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now
what next eh? this is what i spent the last 2 years of eve training for, everything i fly is now virtully useless, like i really wanted to fly a carrier so i could remote rep people and NOT get killmails, like i trained logistics 4 to fly an eos because it was worse than the astarte, and damn, large blaster spec to be outdone by a raven, man thats just upsetting. not to mention some other great ideas from the new devs: - nightmare, im sure everbody who bought it wanted 8 lows cos they thought it would make a great shield tank -.- while at the same time overpowering it making it like an abaddon with a cap bonus to guns. - black ops ship - speculation but a battlehsip that can covert ops cloak thus kill any miner in no time at all and isnt catchable by a gate camp because it will jump to wherever it likes?
the problems with gallente ships atm are things like the MYRM and the ARAZU which are stupidly overpowered and yet no, you nerf the stuff that nobody has any problem with giving bonuses to other ships without thinking about consequences, dear god, imho you guys dont deserve this job, i dont want to play caldari online thank you very much
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dalman
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: vostok carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier)
Uhu? If you're using drones with a carrier, then surely gallante has the worst carrier. Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me |

Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:07:00 -
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The Thanatos is not the best carrier. The Phoenix and Archon both give it a run for its money.
The torpedo change is NOT a Gallente nerf, it is a Caldari buff.
Eos, I don't know enough to comment about.
Black ops, from what I understand, won't be that great of a combat ship, and the usage on the jump drives will be horrendous. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |

Ena Miri
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:09:00 -
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Signed. (even though the nerf on carriers hits the others too, but now this bonus will only apply to 5 drones (assigned drone don't get a bonus), while a tanking bonus is always usefull). By the way, did you notice "+5% bonus to agility" to the gallente black ops? Most ridiculous bonus ever :D
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Shevar
Minmatar A.W.M Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:11:00 -
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http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=620096
--- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
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Noglops
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:13:00 -
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O NOES, TEHY ARE N3RFIN TEH MOOSET O4POOERD RASE IN TEH GAMES?/?
GO BAC 2 NERFIG AMAR NUBS!111!
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vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:13:00 -
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the point is about the caldari buff is it makes the megathron a totally useless as a damage dealer, when the raven which is already a better mission ship suddenly became a better pvp ship too?!
sorry about this post really but EVERYTHING i trained in the last year and a half getting all of the skills up for has suddenly become useless in general or compared to other races, i dont want to see this new patch because theres going to be no point in me playing eve and i really love this game, but if all of my skills become useless whats the point
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vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Noglops O NOES, TEHY ARE N3RFIN TEH MOOSET O4POOERD RASE IN TEH GAMES?/?
GO BAC 2 NERFIG AMAR NUBS!111!
gallente are seriously not overpowered, or at least none of the overpowered ships are getting nerfed, if you read my post noob
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Katrina Coreli
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:15:00 -
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CCP seam to be in the habit of over nerfing. They have nerfed ships no one has even whined about (and if you are a regular of this forum you will know it doesnt take much to start a whine). Nerfing the ishkur so it can only use 5 lights seams just to be a needless jab at gallente just to appease anti gall whiners.
The Eos is now frankly unflyable. Nerfed bandwidth and 2 turrets lost. This thing will be able to tank well and.....well thats about it.
This is just a clear shift towards making gallente the blaster and tank race (notice the lack of blaster boat nerfage) and making drones a universal comodity and not a race specific bonus to flying gallente.
Every gallente drone boat of note is getting a nerf, the ishkur, the vexor, the myrmidon and the Eos. Only the DOminix gets through unscathed. Amarr even have bigger drone bays us in several classes now.
I think this is the end of the Gallente fotm period. Weve all enjoyed it but i think this is the begining of the end :)
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Zyssa
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:19:00 -
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Summary of op...
Gallente HAD the best carrier (keeps drone bonus) Gallente HAD the best close range BS (Caldari can challenge them now) Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)
STOP nerfing my overpowered pwn race!!!
Summary of rant: If I wanted to fly Nidhoggur I'd train for one.(logistics carrier) Astarte is more powerful than the "gang boosting" commandship now.(just like all races) My mining alt never warps out when hostiles are in system, blackops will kill me easy.
This thread has fail all over it.
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Katrina Coreli
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: vostok
sorry about this post really but EVERYTHING i trained in the last year and a half getting all of the skills up for has suddenly become useless in general or compared to other races
I understand your fustration but you are over exagerating slightly. As a good rule in eve always train for what you actually want to fly and enjoy flying and not for what is fotm then it wont hurt as much when they nerf it.
The megathron is still going to be a solid ship without a doubt. Just because a ship isnt the best at fullfilling a certain job in its class does not make it useless, thats simply not how it works.
Dont treat a buff to one race as a nerf to your own
THE CAKE IS A LIE! |

vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:20:00 -
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Originally by: Katrina Coreli CCP seam to be in the habit of over nerfing. They have nerfed ships no one has even whined about (and if you are a regular of this forum you will know it doesnt take much to start a whine). Nerfing the ishkur so it can only use 5 lights seams just to be a needless jab at gallente just to appease anti gall whiners.
The Eos is now frankly unflyable. Nerfed bandwidth and 2 turrets lost. This thing will be able to tank well and.....well thats about it.
This is just a clear shift towards making gallente the blaster and tank race (notice the lack of blaster boat nerfage) and making drones a universal comodity and not a race specific bonus to flying gallente.
Every gallente drone boat of note is getting a nerf, the ishkur, the vexor, the myrmidon and the Eos. Only the DOminix gets through unscathed. Amarr even have bigger drone bays us in several classes now.
I think this is the end of the Gallente fotm period. Weve all enjoyed it but i think this is the begining of the end :)
the problem i have is i never abused any of the loopholes, i still think the armageddon is a more viable mission running and pvp ship than the megathron already, the only drone boat the gallente have thats overpowered is the myrm which is frankly stupid in the first place and although they havent made blaster boats useless now, in the face of the new caldari torps they're a joke, they will hit less and deal less damage resulting in an even bigger gap not to mention having a longer range than blasters assuming you dont try to use long range ammo in your blasters
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Deamiel
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: vostok the point is about the caldari buff is it makes the megathron a totally useless as a damage dealer
EVERYTHING i trained in the last year and a half getting all of the skills up for has suddenly become useless
theres going to be no point in me playing eve
but if all of my skills become useless whats the point
First off, you're completely overreacting. Second, you sound like my sister who is seven. 
So, how is the carrier nerf a Gallente nerf? It affect all carriers.
Raven suddenly becoming better than the Megathron? It's still a slow, clunky missile boat that would have to sacrfice some serious tanking in order pull off any sort of tackle job (which the Mega would do easily). The Mega will still do more DPS anyway.
Last, the Eos wasn't nerfed, it was rebalanced.
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shinsushi
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:22:00 -
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Originally by: vostok
- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma
YousaidWhat!?!?!?
AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005 |

Sora Mura
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:25:00 -
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Originally by: vostok so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:
- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma
Are you one of those guys that fit gyros on your hybrid turret ships 
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Katrina Coreli
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zyssa
Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)
I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far.
Unlike the myrmi the Eos has no drone damage bonus and if its turret slots were reduced it would be inline with other cmd ships, a solid tank and decent dps. However post nerf it is frankly a lousy ship. I wouldnt fly it over the Brutix
THE CAKE IS A LIE! |

vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:32:00 -
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Originally by: Deamiel
Originally by: vostok the point is about the caldari buff is it makes the megathron a totally useless as a damage dealer
EVERYTHING i trained in the last year and a half getting all of the skills up for has suddenly become useless
theres going to be no point in me playing eve
but if all of my skills become useless whats the point
First off, you're completely overreacting. Second, you sound like my sister who is seven. 
So, how is the carrier nerf a Gallente nerf? It affect all carriers.
Raven suddenly becoming better than the Megathron? It's still a slow, clunky missile boat that would have to sacrfice some serious tanking in order pull off any sort of tackle job (which the Mega would do easily). The Mega will still do more DPS anyway.
Last, the Eos wasn't nerfed, it was rebalanced.
yes i probably sound like your little sister because i am frankly having a fit, the eos is now unflyable, thats not rebalancing, thats another useless ship that im going to have to sell before the patch, and imm pretty sure when i spoke about nerfs to gallente i mentioned that everything i have trained for has now been made useless IN GENERAL or compared to other races. from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag however they are about as subtle as a wrench, caldari are betting boosted massivly because they are the main playerbase, however even in the massive boost to damage they get many of them still whine because of the loss of range and next time your feeling a bit naughty, compare the damage of a navy mega with a cnr, the cnr does about 40 less damage than the mega with neutron blasters atm and can more easily fit damage mods, with a 33% increase the cnr becomes another stupidly overpowered ship
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KD.Fluffy
The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:34:00 -
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I've spent the last six months cross training from caldari to gallente. Personally I find the torpedo buff a little extreme. It can match megas damage from like 30km! Mega has got to be point blank, to me that seems a little extreme. If I had known that change was coming, I may have kept at caldari who knows. Oh well thi sis why its ******** to change a game constantly... you train for one thing and end up getting another. Boost The Eagle! |

Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: vostok so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs: - carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier) - torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma - eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now
Oh you forgot a couple things there ace. - all around drone nerf with drones retaining shield damage even when scooped (ie. smartbomb fodder) - nerf to Gallente EW (damps must choose btwn range reduction or lock speed reduction) - have gotten the worst of the new T2 frigs and Black Ops
So yeah... Gallente pilots just got their 'nads stomped on and then kicked back to former Amarr status. Sucks to be us.
Taxman IV: Rogue Agent
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vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sora Mura
Originally by: vostok so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:
- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma
Are you one of those guys that fit gyros on your hybrid turret ships 
-.- no, im really not, i know about mag stabs thank you very much and still with every sim i run of the arma vs the mega using several programs i get stats telling me that the arma does just below what a megathron does with neutron blasters with dual heavy pulse lasers and a single heat sink (using its extra low), not to mention that dual heavy pulse use less cap and have less fitting req than ion blasters! and before anybody says why dont you fly amarr, the one reason i dont... is because i have some 15 mill sp in gallente ships
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Kunming
The Coalition Of Buccaneers Mercenary Services
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:39:00 -
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Nerf torps TBH..
OR
Give neutron blasters no-cap usage along with 80-90km range... (that wouldnt be a caldari nerf, it would be a gallente buff)
Rediculus crap really, makes me miss tuxford already LOL
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Skraeling Shortbus
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:42:00 -
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A ship with a drone bay bonus that cant launch 5 heavies heheeh thats gotta be some sort of cruel joke.
Love to the Assault Frigate! |

vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:42:00 -
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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff
Originally by: vostok so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs: - carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier) - torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma - eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now
Oh you forgot a couple things there ace. - all around drone nerf with drones retaining shield damage even when scooped (ie. smartbomb fodder) - nerf to Gallente EW (damps must choose btwn range reduction or lock speed reduction) - have gotten the worst of the new T2 frigs and Black Ops
So yeah... Gallente pilots just got their 'nads stomped on and then kicked back to former Amarr status. Sucks to be us.
i really dont see why ccp have to have a nerfing *****, whats the point, people say something is overpowered so you nerf everything from that race thats already frankly underpowered?! dear god ccp are more heavy handed than a delivery man with lead gloves
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Acoco Osiris
Gallente Sublime.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus A ship with a drone bay bonus that cant launch 5 heavies heheeh thats gotta be some sort of cruel joke.
I have a simple reply.
Ishkur. ------------------------------ One more soldier off to war... And one Velator in my hangars. |

Katrina Coreli
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:44:00 -
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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus A ship with a drone bay bonus that cant launch 5 heavies heheeh thats gotta be some sort of cruel joke.
Even the drone bay bonus is being nerfed
No need for it but they may aswell rub salt in the wound
THE CAKE IS A LIE! |

vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:46:00 -
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Originally by: Acoco Osiris
Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus A ship with a drone bay bonus that cant launch 5 heavies heheeh thats gotta be some sort of cruel joke.
I have a simple reply.
Ishkur.
thats getting nerfed too
dont know about the ishtar yet, any news on that?
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Katrina Coreli
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.23 22:50:00 -
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As far as i know the ishtar is unchanged, 5 heavy drones et all
THE CAKE IS A LIE! |

vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:04:00 -
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Originally by: Kunming Nerf torps TBH..
OR
Give neutron blasters no-cap usage along with 80-90km range... (that wouldnt be a caldari nerf, it would be a gallente buff)
Rediculus crap really, makes me miss tuxford already LOL
obviously, the problem i have atm is that the devs seem to be making changes without looking at the ships they're affecting, when people do things based on an idea in the real world people lose jobs, but in eve, it just ****es a bunch of people off so then its ok to hire tards? and im sorry for not believing that these changes wont make it to tranq, because frankly i think they will based on other great new features ccp have come up with
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ITTigerClawIK
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:09:00 -
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maybe Gallente will become the new Amarr come revelations 3 :-P and then Amarr become the uber ones just under caldari... and we still need our massive boost as well
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Bager Gray
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Posted - 2007.10.23 23:11:00 -
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I fully understand. The nerfs will effect the arazu, myrmidon, and megathron greatly. Take out drones, make our recon useless, and give caldari a super-pwn weapon. Well its a good thing i started training minmatar and amar a wile back so i have at least somewhere else to go.
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