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vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Bager Gray I fully understand. The nerfs will effect the arazu, myrmidon, and megathron greatly. Take out drones, make our recon useless, and give caldari a super-pwn weapon. Well its a good thing i started training minmatar and amar a wile back so i have at least somewhere else to go. sigh, amarr seem to be the way, since i refuse to reduce myself to caldari due to the shear number of noobs who fly ravens, sigh, its going to take like 70 days of training to get the same skills in ships with the amarr :( not to mention ****loads of laser skills im going to need
Addison Caine	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:23:00 - [32] Hahaha. Now you know what it's been like to fly Amarr for the last two years while everyone flew their Gallente solopwnmobiles, suckers.
KD.Fluffy The Avalon Foundation Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:27:00 - [33] Originally by: Addison Caine Hahaha. Now you know what it's been like to fly Amarr for the last two years while everyone flew their Gallente solopwnmobiles, suckers. what about people like me who flew caldari for the last two years and cross trianed in the last six months? its really not that funny. Boost The Eagle!
Jagre Hett	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:29:00 - [34] I find it quite humorous at claiming the carrier nerf to be a gallente only nerf seeing as it effects all races. I also find it funny at the reaction that the thron will be challenged for being one of the best overall BS in the game. Also the damage buff to the torps I do not believe is 33% when you factor in the other changes to explosion radius and so forth. I do agree that the Eos was nerfed too hard.
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:31:00 - [35] Originally by: Addison Caine Hahaha. Now you know what it's been like to fly Amarr for the last two years while everyone flew their Gallente solopwnmobiles, suckers. i've argued for ages that amarr ships have been better than gallente anyways since i dont do much pvp and when i do i tend to go all gank with a bit of tank, no ew, so amarr ships have been a better choice for me for ages and yet im still flying gallente, why because i already had a ****loads of skills for gallente, however now, compared to all other races ships the megathron, my favorite ship is useless: - minmatar typhoon has a higher dps with the new patch - raven has a higher dps with new patch - armageddon can match a mega for damage and still hit stuff 20km away the problem with amarr has been idiots thinking they're underpowered or perhaps just pilots who are largly underskilled for the ships they're flying :P
Bailian Moxtain Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:31:00 - [36] the eos have been out of ages... Why are ppl complaining for many years bout how upersolopwnmobile it is? Train for one ureself then wiseass damn my race was great, now its messed up (Whining-post ftw) *- made in Norway -*
Kayna Eelai Gallente GNATHIC	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:31:00 - [37] Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff - all around drone nerf with drones retaining shield damage even when scooped u gotta be kiddin' me. i didn't know this one... this gonna suck hard time for mission runners... is this so every1 refines his BS and gets a marauder, to use those non used highslots for shield transfers or what? how are drones regaining their shiled then, if not while scooped? fixed to 23.15 kB (23710 bytes)
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:32:00 - [38] Originally by: Jagre Hett I find it quite humorous at claiming the carrier nerf to be a gallente only nerf seeing as it effects all races. I also find it funny at the reaction that the thron will be challenged for being one of the best overall BS in the game. Also the damage buff to the torps I do not believe is 33% when you factor in the other changes to explosion radius and so forth. I do agree that the Eos was nerfed too hard. ffs read, i didnt say it was a gallente only nerf, its frankly a dumbass idea to try and reduce lag at the cost of a large number of massivly ****ed off people as if its going to make that much difference to lag anyway
Niffetin Gallente CONsordium Infinate	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:35:00 - [39] Like many have propably stated, best carriers: Archon = Chimera > Thanatos >/= Nidhoggur Armageddon / Void L / Mobile Large Warp Disruptor
Bailian Moxtain Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:37:00 - [40] well.. now the thanatos dont have its bonus anymore, does it? Thanatos = most dronedmg. *- made in Norway -*
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:37:00 - [41] Vostok for comedy post of the year!! So the EOS got nerfed(still the highest dmging of the 4) the myrmadon was nerfed (still is bad-ass) and the ishkur is nerfed(not really though) An armageddon outdamaging a megathron in all your scenrios? Are you insane? This has to be a comedy post. Gallente still rock hard. AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005
Bager Gray	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:38:00 - [42] Originally by: vostok Originally by: Bager Gray I fully understand. The nerfs will effect the arazu, myrmidon, and megathron greatly. Take out drones, make our recon useless, and give caldari a super-pwn weapon. Well its a good thing i started training minmatar and amar a wile back so i have at least somewhere else to go. sigh, amarr seem to be the way, since i refuse to reduce myself to caldari due to the shear number of noobs who fly ravens, sigh, its going to take like 70 days of training to get the same skills in ships with the amarr :( not to mention ****loads of laser skills im going to need Time to train my amar skills higher i quess, they are due for the love an i bet they will get it soon....... well probably not.But better than being caldari.
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:38:00 - [43] Originally by: Bailian Moxtain the eos have been out of ages... Why are ppl complaining for many years bout how upersolopwnmobile it is? Train for one ureself then wiseass damn my race was great, now its messed up (Whining-post ftw) yea i know whining post for the win indeed, im so fed up with other races whining, i have refrained from it so long now but i really just cannot take this huge nerf sitting down, caldari pilots moaned about the bc passive shield nerf, amarr pilots seem to moan about whatever they see, minmatar pilots tend to sit happily going ''ha, we didnt get nerfed because everybody thinks we're crap already because we use split weapons'' some gallente ships need BALANCING but ccp dont seem to understand that so they just nerf stuff to oblivion, sigh
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:39:00 - [44] Edited by: Karyuudo Tydraad on 23/10/2007 23:43:49 The Gallente "nerfs" listed in the OP are ridiculous at best. CCP limits the role of a ship class and suddenly because Gallente had the "best" ship in it they were the ones to take the nerf? So if all battleships suddenly lost half their bonuses it would only be a Gallente nerf because they have the three most popular battleships in Eve, right? Torpedoes finally get a tweak so the Raven is actually feasible to use in PvP, and it's a Gallente nerf? If my apocalypse finally gets a useful bonus, does that mean the Megathron just got weaker? The Eos is now only able to tank well and can't put out incredible DPS? Because, of course, the Vulture and the Damnation put out such amazing DPS themselves. They're Fleet Command Ships. They were never intended to do anything more than huddle behind massive tanks providing bonuses.
Transcendant One	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:41:00 - [45] Archon > Chimera. Three reasons: 1) The Archon's tank is easier to sustain 2) CPU use of shield transfers 3) Slave sets
Bailian Moxtain Infinitus Odium The Church.	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:42:00 - [46] my post wasnt sarcastic, i do fly gallente myself i dont like to whine, but i realy think its my time now *- made in Norway -*
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:42:00 - [47] Originally by: shinsushi Vostok for comedy post of the year!! So the EOS got nerfed(still the highest dmging of the 4) the myrmadon was nerfed (still is bad-ass) and the ishkur is nerfed(not really though) An armageddon outdamaging a megathron in all your scenrios? Are you insane? This has to be a comedy post. Gallente still rock hard. i didnt say the arma outdamages it, i said the arma keeps up with the mega for damage easily using smaller guns at greater distances while still having the 125 drone bay AND being a tier 1 ship, all the mega has on that is faster tracking and an extra med slot (assuming you read the post and did fit the heat sink)
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Bailian Moxtain my post wasnt sarcastic, i do fly gallente myself i dont like to whine, but i realy think its my time now oh i know i was agreeing with you :D this is the time for gallente to whine
Bager Gray	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:50:00 - [49] Originally by: vostok Originally by: Addison Caine Hahaha. Now you know what it's been like to fly Amarr for the last two years while everyone flew their Gallente solopwnmobiles, suckers. i've argued for ages that amarr ships have been better than gallente anyways since i dont do much pvp and when i do i tend to go all gank with a bit of tank, no ew, so amarr ships have been a better choice for me for ages and yet im still flying gallente, why because i already had a ****loads of skills for gallente, however now, compared to all other races ships the megathron, my favorite ship is useless: - minmatar typhoon has a higher dps with the new patch - raven has a higher dps with new patch - armageddon can match a mega for damage and still hit stuff 20km away the problem with amarr has been idiots thinking they're underpowered or perhaps just pilots who are largly underskilled for the ships they're flying :P Hmm maybe i should train more minmatar than amar.Typhoon is cheap and very versitle. Might want to buy 5 or 6 and sell them after the patch becaus i know they will go up in price.
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:51:00 - [50] Originally by: Katrina Coreli I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far. Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair? Originally by: Marquis Dean As with most threads in Ships & Mods, it ended up with Ryysa yelling at everyone.
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:52:00 - [51] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Edited by: Karyuudo Tydraad on 23/10/2007 23:43:49 The Gallente "nerfs" listed in the OP are ridiculous at best. CCP limits the role of a ship class and suddenly because Gallente had the "best" ship in it they were the ones to take the nerf? So if all battleships suddenly lost half their bonuses it would only be a Gallente nerf because they have the three most popular battleships in Eve, right? Torpedoes finally get a tweak so the Raven is actually feasible to use in PvP, and it's a Gallente nerf? If my apocalypse finally gets a useful bonus, does that mean the Megathron just got weaker? The Eos is now only able to tank well and can't put out incredible DPS? Because, of course, the Vulture and the Damnation put out such amazing DPS themselves. They're Fleet Command Ships. They were never intended to do anything more than huddle behind massive tanks providing bonuses. dear god you have missed the whole point, ok lets start with the eos IT CANNOT TANK WELL and if bs lost a load of their bonuses no it would not be a gallente nerf, if you read more than the title of the thread you would understand that i am complaining about a lot more than just gallente nerfs, this is about all of the dumbass changes the devs are putting forward for the next patch and the huge amount gallente are suffering from these changes. as far as the megathron, what is the point of a close range battleship when theres another ship that can outdamage it, at a greater range with less skills, this is what is called stupid and broken which is what is going to happen is these changes go through
Atius Tirawa Minmatar Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:54:00 - [52] Edited by: Atius Tirawa on 23/10/2007 23:55:26 Originally by: vostok so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs: - carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier) - torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma - eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now - nightmare, im sure everbody who bought it wanted 8 lows cos they thought it would make a great shield tank -.- while at the same time overpowering it making it like an abaddon with a cap bonus to guns. - black ops ship - speculation but a battlehsip that can covert ops cloak thus kill any miner in no time at all and isnt catchable by a gate camp because it will jump to wherever it likes? i dont want to play caldari online thank you very much 1) Still in the works, don't dispare. 2) Torps do get the bonus, but their Explo. radius is also going througgh the roof, so its a needed buff for caldari for sure, but its not as big as you think it is. really. 3) The EoS was overpowered. Its a Fleet Command ship, not a solo pawn mobile. Bringing the EoS in line with the other FC ships was the right thing to do. Fear not, you still have the Ishtar, Myrmidon and Domi for your drone murdering fun fun time. This is re-balancing, and it was the right thing to do. 4) The nightmare is actually quite an amazing ship now - and I don't think people should complain about it. It was a crappy ship earlier, now its a damn fine ship. The prices are going up for a reason. 5) BO-BBs don't have a cloaking bonus, so I guess they can't cloak and warp. So relax man. They are not out yet, no point speculating on what they will do to the EvE pvp enviornment. What can be said is: its going to be a mighty expensive ship. Its not Caldari online m8. Its been Minmatar online for awhile now. It used to be Caldari online untill CCP nurfed Caldari. Before that it was Amarr online, but see where that is? Its always had its Gallente online feel - but in truth, all the FTOM people are going Minmatar. . .Damn noobs making my gear expensive. -----------
Stefan F Enrave Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:56:00 - [53] For the raven being better then the mega: Fit 6x siege launcher Fit Web, Scram, MWD, injector, 2x painter. Fit 1/2 pg rigs to make it fit. Now you have about the same dps (mega still wins, due to its 7th turret hardpoint and bigger dronebay) so lets see what the differences are now: - Raven is still sluggish and slow, Mega is much more agile - Raven has 5 low slots for some kind of armor tank and dps mods, thats 7 for mega So with comparable setups mega can still dish out 40% more dps (2 extra slots = 2 slots for dps mods = 40% extra dmg). Now stop whining plz, this "buff" is not usefull at all to caldari up until they reduce torp radius back to 400m and make the raven much more agile.
Tral Kul	Posted - 2007.10.23 23:57:00 - [54] Lol, so you're complaining because Eos isn't imba any more? That hilarious and while the Eos will lose damage it will also now have more drone space for more variety, more back ups whatever. The Eos doesn't lose that much damage and a bc launching bs class weapons was always a little ridiclous. You think the gallente got nerfed? That's funny becuase almost all of the drone changes seem to benifit them the most (i don't see the caldari getting huge drone bays) Grow up and stop whining
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:00:00 - [55] Originally by: vostok Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad dear god you have missed the whole point, ok lets start with the eos IT CANNOT TANK WELL and if bs lost a load of their bonuses no it would not be a gallente nerf, if you read more than the title of the thread you would understand that i am complaining about a lot more than just gallente nerfs, this is about all of the dumbass changes the devs are putting forward for the next patch and the huge amount gallente are suffering from these changes. as far as the megathron, what is the point of a close range battleship when theres another ship that can outdamage it, at a greater range with less skills, this is what is called stupid and broken which is what is going to happen is these changes go through The Eos tanks great and puts out considerably more DPS than any other Fleet Command Ship even after the changes. The title of your thread is "nerfing gallente?!" Not "How about those role changes that a wide variety of ships of many different races are currently undergoing?" There's no problem with a nerf when it's done with the greater good of the game in mind. The vast majority of the Gallente lineup remains unchanged, and given how your race had dominated entire ship classes for so long, I'm frankly surprised you didn't anticipate the balance shifting away from you and the inevitable rebalancing of the Eos. As for the megathron/raven issue, I suggest you take a good look at the underlying traits of both missiles and turrets before you comment further on the matter.
Subruz	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:00:00 - [56] Oh this is pure comedy, Gallente whining? Oh COME ON! You've been spoodfed by the devs for too long and now when they're sleeping you decide to kick and scream to wake them up? The Carrier nerf will affect ALL carrier pilots, a raven STILL won't be able to outdamage a mega (we'll get back to that soon) and the eos is still a perfectly viable ship, pherhaps one should take a look at amarrs' options? As for the raven it's still limited by its few medslots, unless you want to armortank it in which case the blasterthron just ridicules it anyway. Come on, gallente pilots have some of the best one on one ships around in every class and gang ships which are as good as any others. By investing SP in drones, armortanking and gunnery you'll also be able to fly minimatar ships with little extra training, unlike caldari pilots who'll have to start from scratch assuming they've gone for shield and missile skills.
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:01:00 - [57] Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Katrina Coreli I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far. Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair? ok people are starting to upset me with stupid stuff now, the eos isnt the same type of hull as a hurricane (which is a tier 2 bc) and neither is it the same class of ship as a sleipnir, so lets compare it to a claymore.... now, the claymore gets a command ship bonus to projectiles and to warfare links, the eos gets a bonus to dronebay and to warfare links, now how do you see this as fair as your ship gets a direct upgrade to its damage, and the eos can replace drones -.- ohh super, just what i always wanted, not to mention combined with the reduction of turrets, the claymore gets to use all 8 of its high slots for weapons if it so wants. im not going to be bothered with number crunching because i dont feel the need to prove myself to you for such a dumb post as large guns on a hurricane being balanced, you see large guns deal a lot more damage than heavy drones that dont have a bonus, assuming your not a total noob and have skills in the guns :P, and we havent even got into the fact that the claymore has a MUCH better tank than the eos
shinsushi Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:01:00 - [58] Originally by: vostok Originally by: shinsushi Vostok for comedy post of the year!! So the EOS got nerfed(still the highest dmging of the 4) the myrmadon was nerfed (still is bad-ass) and the ishkur is nerfed(not really though) An armageddon outdamaging a megathron in all your scenrios? Are you insane? This has to be a comedy post. Gallente still rock hard. i didnt say the arma outdamages it, i said the arma keeps up with the mega for damage easily using smaller guns at greater distances while still having the 125 drone bay AND being a tier 1 ship, all the mega has on that is faster tracking and an extra med slot (assuming you read the post and did fit the heat sink) Assuming equal amounts of heat sinks to MFSes and equal amount of drones, the mega outdamages the geddon. It is also faster, and can fit more after weapons. Whats your point? AMARR - Taking it up the butt since 2005
Dzajic Gallente	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:03:00 - [59] Originally by: VJ Maverick Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair? And you don't know drones can be shot at, and all the way till now, Myrm had no replacements, Nos has been nerfed, sensor boosters are going to be, and rescooping drones for shield recharge wont work that way any more? Sure, 5 bonused heavies was too much. Nothing to deny there. First, why at least not allow Myrm 2 heavies plus 3 mids? And why the heck nerf half of Gallente ships? Was Ishkur with 4 unbonused meds that OP? Maybe, just maybe, Eos had problems. Kronos will be nerfed to death month or two after a significant number of them starts flying. I mean, WTF, Vexor and Myrmidon having same amount of drones out, with same bonus??? A bit too nerfed. 2-3 heavies for Myrm, plus rest mediums would have cut its dps bellow Dominix level.
VJ Maverick Caldari Maverick Specialized Services	Posted - 2007.10.24 00:05:00 - [60] Originally by: vostok Originally by: VJ Maverick Originally by: Katrina Coreli I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far. Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair? ok people are starting to upset me with stupid stuff now, the eos isnt the same type of hull as a hurricane (which is a tier 2 bc) and neither is it the same class of ship as a sleipnir, so lets compare it to a claymore.... now, the claymore gets a command ship bonus to projectiles and to warfare links, the eos gets a bonus to dronebay and to warfare links, now how do you see this as fair as your ship gets a direct upgrade to its damage, and the eos can replace drones -.- ohh super, just what i always wanted, not to mention combined with the reduction of turrets, the claymore gets to use all 8 of its high slots for weapons if it so wants. im not going to be bothered with number crunching because i dont feel the need to prove myself to you for such a dumb post as large guns on a hurricane being balanced, you see large guns deal a lot more damage than heavy drones that dont have a bonus, assuming your not a total noob and have skills in the guns :P, and we havent even got into the fact that the claymore has a MUCH better tank than the eos You're mising the point. The point is that both the Myrmidon and the Eos get to use the LARGE version of their PRIMARY weapon while all the other BC's and CS's are limited to the medium version of theirs. Get it? Originally by: Marquis Dean As with most threads in Ships & Mods, it ended up with Ryysa yelling at everyone.

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