Originally by: vostok

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carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier)

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Originally by: Noglops

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O NOES, TEHY ARE N3RFIN TEH MOOSET O4POOERD RASE IN TEH GAMES?/?

GO BAC 2 NERFIG AMAR NUBS!111!

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Originally by: vostok

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sorry about this post really but EVERYTHING i trained in the last year and a half getting all of the skills up for has suddenly become useless in general or compared to other races

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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CCP seam to be in the habit of over nerfing. They have nerfed ships no one has even whined about (and if you are a regular of this forum you will know it doesnt take much to start a whine). Nerfing the ishkur so it can only use 5 lights seams just to be a needless jab at gallente just to appease anti gall whiners.

The Eos is now frankly unflyable. Nerfed bandwidth and 2 turrets lost. This thing will be able to tank well and.....well thats about it.

This is just a clear shift towards making gallente the blaster and tank race (notice the lack of blaster boat nerfage) and making drones a universal comodity and not a race specific bonus to flying gallente.

Every gallente drone boat of note is getting a nerf, the ishkur, the vexor, the myrmidon and the Eos. Only the DOminix gets through unscathed. Amarr even have bigger drone bays us in several classes now.

I think this is the end of the Gallente fotm period. Weve all enjoyed it but i think this is the begining of the end :)

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Originally by: vostok

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the point is about the caldari buff is it makes the megathron a totally useless as a damage dealer

EVERYTHING i trained in the last year and a half getting all of the skills up for has suddenly become useless

theres going to be no point in me playing eve

but if all of my skills become useless whats the point

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Originally by: vostok

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- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma

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Originally by: vostok

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so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:

- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma

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Originally by: Zyssa

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Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)

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Originally by: Deamiel

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Originally by: vostok

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the point is about the caldari buff is it makes the megathron a totally useless as a damage dealer

EVERYTHING i trained in the last year and a half getting all of the skills up for has suddenly become useless

theres going to be no point in me playing eve

but if all of my skills become useless whats the point

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First off, you're completely overreacting. Second, you sound like my sister who is seven.

So, how is the carrier nerf a Gallente nerf? It affect all carriers.

Raven suddenly becoming better than the Megathron? It's still a slow, clunky missile boat that would have to sacrfice some serious tanking in order pull off any sort of tackle job (which the Mega would do easily). The Mega will still do more DPS anyway.

Last, the Eos wasn't nerfed, it was rebalanced.

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Originally by: vostok

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so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:
- carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier)
- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma
- eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now

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Originally by: Sora Mura

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Originally by: vostok

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so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:

- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma

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Are you one of those guys that fit gyros on your hybrid turret ships

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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff

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Originally by: vostok

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so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:
- carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier)
- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma
- eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now

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Oh you forgot a couple things there ace.
- all around drone nerf with drones retaining shield damage even when scooped (ie. smartbomb fodder)
- nerf to Gallente EW (damps must choose btwn range reduction or lock speed reduction)
- have gotten the worst of the new T2 frigs and Black Ops

So yeah... Gallente pilots just got their 'nads stomped on and then kicked back to former Amarr status. Sucks to be us.

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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus

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A ship with a drone bay bonus that cant launch 5 heavies heheeh thats gotta be some sort of cruel joke.

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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus

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A ship with a drone bay bonus that cant launch 5 heavies heheeh thats gotta be some sort of cruel joke.

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Originally by: Acoco Osiris

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Originally by: Skraeling Shortbus

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A ship with a drone bay bonus that cant launch 5 heavies heheeh thats gotta be some sort of cruel joke.

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I have a simple reply.

Ishkur.

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Originally by: Kunming

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Nerf torps TBH..

OR

Give neutron blasters no-cap usage along with 80-90km range... (that wouldnt be a caldari nerf, it would be a gallente buff)

Rediculus crap really, makes me miss tuxford already LOL

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Originally by: Bager Gray

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I fully understand. The nerfs will effect the arazu, myrmidon, and megathron greatly. Take out drones, make our recon useless, and give caldari a super-pwn weapon. Well its a good thing i started training minmatar and amar a wile back so i have at least somewhere else to go.

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Originally by: Addison Caine

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Hahaha. Now you know what it's been like to fly Amarr for the last two years while everyone flew their Gallente solopwnmobiles, suckers.

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Originally by: Addison Caine

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Hahaha. Now you know what it's been like to fly Amarr for the last two years while everyone flew their Gallente solopwnmobiles, suckers.

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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff

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- all around drone nerf with drones retaining shield damage even when scooped

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Originally by: Jagre Hett

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I find it quite humorous at claiming the carrier nerf to be a gallente only nerf seeing as it effects all races. I also find it funny at the reaction that the thron will be challenged for being one of the best overall BS in the game. Also the damage buff to the torps I do not believe is 33% when you factor in the other changes to explosion radius and so forth.

I do agree that the Eos was nerfed too hard.

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Bager Gray

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I fully understand. The nerfs will effect the arazu, myrmidon, and megathron greatly. Take out drones, make our recon useless, and give caldari a super-pwn weapon. Well its a good thing i started training minmatar and amar a wile back so i have at least somewhere else to go.

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sigh, amarr seem to be the way, since i refuse to reduce myself to caldari due to the shear number of noobs who fly ravens, sigh, its going to take like 70 days of training to get the same skills in ships with the amarr :( not to mention ****loads of laser skills im going to need

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Originally by: Bailian Moxtain

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the eos have been out of ages... Why are ppl complaining for many years bout how upersolopwnmobile it is? Train for one ureself then wiseass

damn my race was great, now its messed up

(Whining-post ftw)

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Originally by: shinsushi

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Vostok for comedy post of the year!!

So the EOS got nerfed(still the highest dmging of the 4) the myrmadon was nerfed (still is bad-ass) and the ishkur is nerfed(not really though)

An armageddon outdamaging a megathron in all your scenrios? Are you insane? This has to be a comedy post. Gallente still rock hard.

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Originally by: Bailian Moxtain

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my post wasnt sarcastic, i do fly gallente myself

i dont like to whine, but i realy think its my time now

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Addison Caine

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Hahaha. Now you know what it's been like to fly Amarr for the last two years while everyone flew their Gallente solopwnmobiles, suckers.

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i've argued for ages that amarr ships have been better than gallente anyways since i dont do much pvp and when i do i tend to go all gank with a bit of tank, no ew, so amarr ships have been a better choice for me for ages and yet im still flying gallente, why because i already had a ****loads of skills for gallente, however now, compared to all other races ships the megathron, my favorite ship is useless:
- minmatar typhoon has a higher dps with the new patch
- raven has a higher dps with new patch
- armageddon can match a mega for damage and still hit stuff 20km away

the problem with amarr has been idiots thinking they're underpowered or perhaps just pilots who are largly underskilled for the ships they're flying :P

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far.

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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As with most threads in Ships & Mods, it ended up with Ryysa yelling at everyone.

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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad

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Edited by: Karyuudo Tydraad on 23/10/2007 23:43:49
The Gallente "nerfs" listed in the OP are ridiculous at best. CCP limits the role of a ship class and suddenly because Gallente had the "best" ship in it they were the ones to take the nerf?

So if all battleships suddenly lost half their bonuses it would only be a Gallente nerf because they have the three most popular battleships in Eve, right?

Torpedoes finally get a tweak so the Raven is actually feasible to use in PvP, and it's a Gallente nerf? If my apocalypse finally gets a useful bonus, does that mean the Megathron just got weaker?

The Eos is now only able to tank well and can't put out incredible DPS? Because, of course, the Vulture and the Damnation put out such amazing DPS themselves. They're Fleet Command Ships. They were never intended to do anything more than huddle behind massive tanks providing bonuses.

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Originally by: vostok

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so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:
- carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier)
- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma
- eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now
- nightmare, im sure everbody who bought it wanted 8 lows cos they thought it would make a great shield tank -.- while at the same time overpowering it making it like an abaddon with a cap bonus to guns.
- black ops ship - speculation but a battlehsip that can covert ops cloak thus kill any miner in no time at all and isnt catchable by a gate camp because it will jump to wherever it likes?

i dont want to play caldari online thank you very much

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad

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dear god you have missed the whole point, ok lets start with the eos IT CANNOT TANK WELL
and if bs lost a load of their bonuses no it would not be a gallente nerf, if you read more than the title of the thread you would understand that i am complaining about a lot more than just gallente nerfs, this is about all of the dumbass changes the devs are putting forward for the next patch and the huge amount gallente are suffering from these changes.

as far as the megathron, what is the point of a close range battleship when theres another ship that can outdamage it, at a greater range with less skills, this is what is called stupid and broken which is what is going to happen is these changes go through

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The Eos tanks great and puts out considerably more DPS than any other Fleet Command Ship even after the changes.

The title of your thread is "nerfing gallente?!" Not "How about those role changes that a wide variety of ships of many different races are currently undergoing?" There's no problem with a nerf when it's done with the greater good of the game in mind. The vast majority of the Gallente lineup remains unchanged, and given how your race had dominated entire ship classes for so long, I'm frankly surprised you didn't anticipate the balance shifting away from you and the inevitable rebalancing of the Eos.

As for the megathron/raven issue, I suggest you take a good look at the underlying traits of both missiles and turrets before you comment further on the matter.

Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far.

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: shinsushi

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Vostok for comedy post of the year!!

So the EOS got nerfed(still the highest dmging of the 4) the myrmadon was nerfed (still is bad-ass) and the ishkur is nerfed(not really though)

An armageddon outdamaging a megathron in all your scenrios? Are you insane? This has to be a comedy post. Gallente still rock hard.

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i didnt say the arma outdamages it, i said the arma keeps up with the mega for damage easily using smaller guns at greater distances while still having the 125 drone bay AND being a tier 1 ship, all the mega has on that is faster tracking and an extra med slot (assuming you read the post and did fit the heat sink)

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far.

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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ok people are starting to upset me with stupid stuff now, the eos isnt the same type of hull as a hurricane (which is a tier 2 bc) and neither is it the same class of ship as a sleipnir, so lets compare it to a claymore.... now, the claymore gets a command ship bonus to projectiles and to warfare links, the eos gets a bonus to dronebay and to warfare links, now how do you see this as fair as your ship gets a direct upgrade to its damage, and the eos can replace drones -.- ohh super, just what i always wanted, not to mention combined with the reduction of turrets, the claymore gets to use all 8 of its high slots for weapons if it so wants. im not going to be bothered with number crunching because i dont feel the need to prove myself to you for such a dumb post as large guns on a hurricane being balanced, you see large guns deal a lot more damage than heavy drones that dont have a bonus, assuming your not a total noob and have skills in the guns :P, and we havent even got into the fact that the claymore has a MUCH better tank than the eos

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Originally by: Marquis Dean

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As with most threads in Ships & Mods, it ended up with Ryysa yelling at everyone.

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Every gallente drone boat of note is getting a nerf, the ishkur, the vexor, the myrmidon and the Eos. Only the DOminix gets through unscathed. Amarr even have bigger drone bays us in several classes now.

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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And you don't know drones can be shot at, and all the way till now, Myrm had no replacements, Nos has been nerfed, sensor boosters are going to be, and rescooping drones for shield recharge wont work that way any more?

Sure, 5 bonused heavies was too much. Nothing to deny there. First, why at least not allow Myrm 2 heavies plus 3 mids?

And why the heck nerf half of Gallente ships? Was Ishkur with 4 unbonused meds that OP? Maybe, just maybe, Eos had problems.
Kronos will be nerfed to death month or two after a significant number of them starts flying.
I mean, WTF, Vexor and Myrmidon having same amount of drones out, with same bonus??? A bit too nerfed. 2-3 heavies for Myrm, plus rest mediums would have cut its dps bellow Dominix level.

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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad

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dear god you have missed the whole point, ok lets start with the eos IT CANNOT TANK WELL
and if bs lost a load of their bonuses no it would not be a gallente nerf, if you read more than the title of the thread you would understand that i am complaining about a lot more than just gallente nerfs, this is about all of the dumbass changes the devs are putting forward for the next patch and the huge amount gallente are suffering from these changes.

as far as the megathron, what is the point of a close range battleship when theres another ship that can outdamage it, at a greater range with less skills, this is what is called stupid and broken which is what is going to happen is these changes go through

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The Eos tanks great and puts out considerably more DPS than any other Fleet Command Ship even after the changes.

The title of your thread is "nerfing gallente?!" Not "How about those role changes that a wide variety of ships of many different races are currently undergoing?" There's no problem with a nerf when it's done with the greater good of the game in mind. The vast majority of the Gallente lineup remains unchanged, and given how your race had dominated entire ship classes for so long, I'm frankly surprised you didn't anticipate the balance shifting away from you and the inevitable rebalancing of the Eos.

As for the megathron/raven issue, I suggest you take a good look at the underlying traits of both missiles and turrets before you comment further on the matter.

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ohh i saw this coming, but gallente ships have been crippled looking at this atm, the eos still deals competative damage, yes, however its tank is dreadful compared to the other fleet commands, it has had a slot reduction of 2 and needs them put back on the ship in some form, whether its a speed increase hp increase or whatever the eos is loosing out from this, as far as underlying traits of missiles and turrets go, the missile generally hits more often than the turret but does a more constant damage, the turret misses a lot and doesnt get perfect shots 24/7 and thus does less damage that way, torpedoes can still move faster than most normal ships and just because a megathron can get a few lucky hits on a speed tanker doesnt mean its better than a missile user. it will soon have worse dps and less range than a ship noobs fly because its notoriously easy to fly, when the mega already has a reputation for being one of the ships with the highest sp needed to fly properly. frankly the last thing i wanted to do was cross train, hell, im about a month and a half off being able to fly all gallente ships bar the titan with level 4 skills, but hell with that, no point now

Originally by: shinsushi

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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And you don't know drones can be shot at, and all the way till now, Myrm had no replacements, Nos has been nerfed, sensor boosters are going to be, and rescooping drones for shield recharge wont work that way any more?

Sure, 5 bonused heavies was too much. Nothing to deny there. First, why at least not allow Myrm 2 heavies plus 3 mids?

And why the heck nerf half of Gallente ships? Was Ishkur with 4 unbonused meds that OP? Maybe, just maybe, Eos had problems.
Kronos will be nerfed to death month or two after a significant number of them starts flying.
I mean, WTF, Vexor and Myrmidon having same amount of drones out, with same bonus??? A bit too nerfed. 2-3 heavies for Myrm, plus rest mediums would have cut its dps bellow Dominix level.

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If you looked at damage charts, you would see how badly the myrmidon outdamaged its counterparts with heavies, and how closely it resembles them with mediums and guns (I know guns on a drone boat!!). IDK how did the ishkur compare to the other assualt frigates?

You don't see people complaining that both the cruisers and the battlecruisers fit the same size guns do you?

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: shinsushi

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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And you don't know drones can be shot at, and all the way till now, Myrm had no replacements, Nos has been nerfed, sensor boosters are going to be, and rescooping drones for shield recharge wont work that way any more?

Sure, 5 bonused heavies was too much. Nothing to deny there. First, why at least not allow Myrm 2 heavies plus 3 mids?

And why the heck nerf half of Gallente ships? Was Ishkur with 4 unbonused meds that OP? Maybe, just maybe, Eos had problems.
Kronos will be nerfed to death month or two after a significant number of them starts flying.
I mean, WTF, Vexor and Myrmidon having same amount of drones out, with same bonus??? A bit too nerfed. 2-3 heavies for Myrm, plus rest mediums would have cut its dps bellow Dominix level.

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If you looked at damage charts, you would see how badly the myrmidon outdamaged its counterparts with heavies, and how closely it resembles them with mediums and guns (I know guns on a drone boat!!). IDK how did the ishkur compare to the other assualt frigates?

You don't see people complaining that both the cruisers and the battlecruisers fit the same size guns do you?

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dear me, noob, the myrm IS broken and also it has a bonus to drone damage which the eos does not, that means it does an extra 50% damage compared to the eos with drones,understand why it outdamages the eos now? also after the patch the myrm will do a lot more damage than the eos, i wouldnt be suprised if it does now.

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Originally by: shinsushi

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: shinsushi

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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And you don't know drones can be shot at, and all the way till now, Myrm had no replacements, Nos has been nerfed, sensor boosters are going to be, and rescooping drones for shield recharge wont work that way any more?

Sure, 5 bonused heavies was too much. Nothing to deny there. First, why at least not allow Myrm 2 heavies plus 3 mids?

And why the heck nerf half of Gallente ships? Was Ishkur with 4 unbonused meds that OP? Maybe, just maybe, Eos had problems.
Kronos will be nerfed to death month or two after a significant number of them starts flying.
I mean, WTF, Vexor and Myrmidon having same amount of drones out, with same bonus??? A bit too nerfed. 2-3 heavies for Myrm, plus rest mediums would have cut its dps bellow Dominix level.

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If you looked at damage charts, you would see how badly the myrmidon outdamaged its counterparts with heavies, and how closely it resembles them with mediums and guns (I know guns on a drone boat!!). IDK how did the ishkur compare to the other assualt frigates?

You don't see people complaining that both the cruisers and the battlecruisers fit the same size guns do you?

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dear me, noob, the myrm IS broken and also it has a bonus to drone damage which the eos does not, that means it does an extra 50% damage compared to the eos with drones,understand why it outdamages the eos now? also after the patch the myrm will do a lot more damage than the eos, i wouldnt be suprised if it does now.

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Lol, I am the noob, but you missed the meaning. How does the myr look compared to the other Tier 2 BCs, not the EOS.

Compare the DPS of the EOS to the vulture, damnation, and the minnie fleet command ship. I wonder if it still does more damage....

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: shinsushi

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: shinsushi

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Originally by: Dzajic

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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And you don't know drones can be shot at, and all the way till now, Myrm had no replacements, Nos has been nerfed, sensor boosters are going to be, and rescooping drones for shield recharge wont work that way any more?

Sure, 5 bonused heavies was too much. Nothing to deny there. First, why at least not allow Myrm 2 heavies plus 3 mids?

And why the heck nerf half of Gallente ships? Was Ishkur with 4 unbonused meds that OP? Maybe, just maybe, Eos had problems.
Kronos will be nerfed to death month or two after a significant number of them starts flying.
I mean, WTF, Vexor and Myrmidon having same amount of drones out, with same bonus??? A bit too nerfed. 2-3 heavies for Myrm, plus rest mediums would have cut its dps bellow Dominix level.

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If you looked at damage charts, you would see how badly the myrmidon outdamaged its counterparts with heavies, and how closely it resembles them with mediums and guns (I know guns on a drone boat!!). IDK how did the ishkur compare to the other assualt frigates?

You don't see people complaining that both the cruisers and the battlecruisers fit the same size guns do you?

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dear me, noob, the myrm IS broken and also it has a bonus to drone damage which the eos does not, that means it does an extra 50% damage compared to the eos with drones,understand why it outdamages the eos now? also after the patch the myrm will do a lot more damage than the eos, i wouldnt be suprised if it does now.

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Lol, I am the noob, but you missed the meaning. How does the myr look compared to the other Tier 2 BCs, not the EOS.

Compare the DPS of the EOS to the vulture, damnation, and the minnie fleet command ship. I wonder if it still does more damage....

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i mentioned this a lot already, yes it does a similar amount of damage and TANKS NOTHING compared to all of them, i already said THE MYRM IS BROKEN, yes it has been overpowered for ages but the thing the eos had was more damage and less tank

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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Is it just me or is anyone else getting sick of all these nerfs/buff. Fair enough if a ship is overpowered/underpowered it should be tweaked but this should happen on sisi! not months or years after is has been released on tranq.

Personally I think things should stay on sisi for alot longer, its dam annoying training for something just to have it nerfed to oblivian. The new EOS can only launch 5 Med drones and has 5 turrets, sounds like a crappy Astarte to me! Yes I know its not supposed to be and solo-pwn-mobile but not its got a crappy tank and poor DPS and plain sucks.

Ive never flown Ammar but I feel dam sorry for them right now, dear me the Paladin looks poor compaired to the others.

The gallente carrier can only use 5 fighters with its drones bonus, what a poor excuse of a bonus now, 5 fighters barley outdamages 5 Ogre II's.

The +33% Torp damage and people are complaining about the range! No cap usage, no tracking, the mega has to get withing 9km of a target to do any sort of DPS! + with Plates its about as agile as a carrier, dual reps = poor DPS + very poor tank.

I havent even heard what the Myr nerf is yet! but Im sure as the way things are going I might aswell get a vexor.

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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Is it just me or is anyone else getting sick of all these nerfs/buff. Fair enough if a ship is overpowered/underpowered it should be tweaked but this should happen on sisi! not months or years after is has been released on tranq.

Personally I think things should stay on sisi for alot longer, its dam annoying training for something just to have it nerfed to oblivian. The new EOS can only launch 5 Med drones and has 5 turrets, sounds like a crappy Astarte to me! Yes I know its not supposed to be and solo-pwn-mobile but not its got a crappy tank and poor DPS and plain sucks.

Ive never flown Ammar but I feel dam sorry for them right now, dear me the Paladin looks poor compaired to the others.

The gallente carrier can only use 5 fighters with its drones bonus, what a poor excuse of a bonus now, 5 fighters barley outdamages 5 Ogre II's.

The +33% Torp damage and people are complaining about the range! No cap usage, no tracking, the mega has to get withing 9km of a target to do any sort of DPS! + with Plates its about as agile as a carrier, dual reps = poor DPS + very poor tank.

I havent even heard what the Myr nerf is yet! but Im sure as the way things are going I might aswell get a vexor.

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sorry, vexors are getting nerfed too :(

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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Is it just me or is anyone else getting sick of all these nerfs/buff. Fair enough if a ship is overpowered/underpowered it should be tweaked but this should happen on sisi! not months or years after is has been released on tranq.

Personally I think things should stay on sisi for alot longer, its dam annoying training for something just to have it nerfed to oblivian. The new EOS can only launch 5 Med drones and has 5 turrets, sounds like a crappy Astarte to me! Yes I know its not supposed to be and solo-pwn-mobile but not its got a crappy tank and poor DPS and plain sucks.

Ive never flown Ammar but I feel dam sorry for them right now, dear me the Paladin looks poor compaired to the others.

The gallente carrier can only use 5 fighters with its drones bonus, what a poor excuse of a bonus now, 5 fighters barley outdamages 5 Ogre II's.

The +33% Torp damage and people are complaining about the range! No cap usage, no tracking, the mega has to get withing 9km of a target to do any sort of DPS! + with Plates its about as agile as a carrier, dual reps = poor DPS + very poor tank.

I havent even heard what the Myr nerf is yet! but Im sure as the way things are going I might aswell get a vexor.

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sorry, vexors are getting nerfed too :(

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OMFG you are joking arnt you? WTF drone ship if left now? Looks like its time to bring out my trusty ishkur.

What changes anyway?

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Originally by: Syfilis

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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Is it just me or is anyone else getting sick of all these nerfs/buff. Fair enough if a ship is overpowered/underpowered it should be tweaked but this should happen on sisi! not months or years after is has been released on tranq.

Personally I think things should stay on sisi for alot longer, its dam annoying training for something just to have it nerfed to oblivian. The new EOS can only launch 5 Med drones and has 5 turrets, sounds like a crappy Astarte to me! Yes I know its not supposed to be and solo-pwn-mobile but not its got a crappy tank and poor DPS and plain sucks.

Ive never flown Ammar but I feel dam sorry for them right now, dear me the Paladin looks poor compaired to the others.

The gallente carrier can only use 5 fighters with its drones bonus, what a poor excuse of a bonus now, 5 fighters barley outdamages 5 Ogre II's.

The +33% Torp damage and people are complaining about the range! No cap usage, no tracking, the mega has to get withing 9km of a target to do any sort of DPS! + with Plates its about as agile as a carrier, dual reps = poor DPS + very poor tank.

I havent even heard what the Myr nerf is yet! but Im sure as the way things are going I might aswell get a vexor.

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sorry, vexors are getting nerfed too :(

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OMFG you are joking arnt you? WTF drone ship if left now? Looks like its time to bring out my trusty ishkur.

What changes anyway?

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ur trusty ishkur got F'ed in the A asswell

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Originally by: Syfilis

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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Is it just me or is anyone else getting sick of all these nerfs/buff. Fair enough if a ship is overpowered/underpowered it should be tweaked but this should happen on sisi! not months or years after is has been released on tranq.

Personally I think things should stay on sisi for alot longer, its dam annoying training for something just to have it nerfed to oblivian. The new EOS can only launch 5 Med drones and has 5 turrets, sounds like a crappy Astarte to me! Yes I know its not supposed to be and solo-pwn-mobile but not its got a crappy tank and poor DPS and plain sucks.

Ive never flown Ammar but I feel dam sorry for them right now, dear me the Paladin looks poor compaired to the others.

The gallente carrier can only use 5 fighters with its drones bonus, what a poor excuse of a bonus now, 5 fighters barley outdamages 5 Ogre II's.

The +33% Torp damage and people are complaining about the range! No cap usage, no tracking, the mega has to get withing 9km of a target to do any sort of DPS! + with Plates its about as agile as a carrier, dual reps = poor DPS + very poor tank.

I havent even heard what the Myr nerf is yet! but Im sure as the way things are going I might aswell get a vexor.

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sorry, vexors are getting nerfed too :(

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OMFG you are joking arnt you? WTF drone ship if left now? Looks like its time to bring out my trusty ishkur.

What changes anyway?

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ur trusty ishkur got F'ed in the A asswell

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Originally by: Grytok

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Edited by: Grytok on 24/10/2007 01:05:17
Vexor gets 150m¦ DroneBay and 75 M/bit Bandwith. So it will be able to field 3 Heavies + 3 Heavies in spare. So actually the Vexor gets buffed!

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Originally by: DarkXenon

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What the hell are they thinking, So let me get this right, they are Nerfing EOS, Ishkur, Myr, Vexor, Drone shield recharge, Carriers (Especially Thantos), Damps. About every Gallente drone boat there is! Seems like the domi is my only companion left

EDIT, how about the Ishtar can that still wield 5 Heavys or is that too overpowered?!

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Originally by: Noglops

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O NOES, TEHY ARE N3RFIN TEH MOOSET O4POOERD RASE IN TEH GAMES?/?

GO BAC 2 NERFIG AMAR NUBS!111!

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Originally by: Closer Still

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oh my god ravens can outdamage a megathron!!!!!!!

this is madness! gallente is supposed to be the best race in every aspect, how dare CALDARI match a megathron's dps with a RAVEN

OMG i are so mad i want to punch a baby!

i picked the best race because i wanted to pwn nubs ccp, not because i wanted you to balance the game!

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Originally by: vostok

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so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:
- carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier)
- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma
- eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now

what next eh? this is what i spent the last 2 years of eve training for, everything i fly is now virtully useless, like i really wanted to fly a carrier so i could remote rep people and NOT get killmails, like i trained logistics 4 to fly an eos because it was worse than the astarte, and damn, large blaster spec to be outdone by a raven, man thats just upsetting.
not to mention some other great ideas from the new devs:
- nightmare, im sure everbody who bought it wanted 8 lows cos they thought it would make a great shield tank -.- while at the same time overpowering it making it like an abaddon with a cap bonus to guns.
- black ops ship - speculation but a battlehsip that can covert ops cloak thus kill any miner in no time at all and isnt catchable by a gate camp because it will jump to wherever it likes?

the problems with gallente ships atm are things like the MYRM and the ARAZU which are stupidly overpowered and yet no, you nerf the stuff that nobody has any problem with giving bonuses to other ships without thinking about consequences, dear god, imho you guys dont deserve this job, i dont want to play caldari online thank you very much

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Being the most powerful pvp race i think nerfs are in order :-)
Or we dont want to nerf overpowered ships, no? Ok sure, just give me back my 8xnon stacking nerfed heatsinked gankageddon and we are even.

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Originally by: Letifer Deus

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Being the most powerful pvp race i think nerfs are in order :-)
Or we dont want to nerf overpowered ships, no? Ok sure, just give me back my 8xnon stacking nerfed heatsinked gankageddon and we are even.

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Go back to the dark hole you came from. I've never seen you make a worthwhile post.

The myrm was probably OP, I never flew it. Eos was OP for what it was, however, it was way overnerfed (like CCP did with basically your entire race, Lyria). Ishkur didn't need to be dropped down to 25 bandwidth, that was stupid. It should be 30 at the very least. ALSO, let us not forget that greatly increasing ship drone bay sizes effectively nerfs drone bay size ship bonuses.

I'm also not at all looking forward to the torp dps increase. Ive been getting my ass handed to me by ravens on SiSi, starting the fight within range. That sure as heck shouldn't happen.

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Originally by: VolcanicButtmonkey

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I sympathise with you...really I do, but this was coming from a mile away. It just sucks that right now gallente is the deer in the headlights.

But
-Raven and megathron arent in perfect competiton. Blasters are supposed to be high damage and point blank like somone said, and to that end the mega can close in AND tank decently. Have you seen a raven going fast? ever? and on top of it , itll have no ability to tank (unless its in a gang with minmatar tp - bellicose stealthboost ftw!)

-Eos was beyond overpowered...but now its been overnerfed. let me tell you a story about Caldari ECM......

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: VolcanicButtmonkey

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I sympathise with you...really I do, but this was coming from a mile away. It just sucks that right now gallente is the deer in the headlights.

But
-Raven and megathron arent in perfect competiton. Blasters are supposed to be high damage and point blank like somone said, and to that end the mega can close in AND tank decently. Have you seen a raven going fast? ever? and on top of it , itll have no ability to tank (unless its in a gang with minmatar tp - bellicose stealthboost ftw!)

-Eos was beyond overpowered...but now its been overnerfed. let me tell you a story about Caldari ECM......

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And what do you think amarr has been trying to say all these years? We got lasers using sick cap, hard to fit and do terrible dmg type. We want a compensation for it. It does feel unfair when youre not getting it doesnt it?

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: VolcanicButtmonkey

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I sympathise with you...really I do, but this was coming from a mile away. It just sucks that right now gallente is the deer in the headlights.

But
-Raven and megathron arent in perfect competiton. Blasters are supposed to be high damage and point blank like somone said, and to that end the mega can close in AND tank decently. Have you seen a raven going fast? ever? and on top of it , itll have no ability to tank (unless its in a gang with minmatar tp - bellicose stealthboost ftw!)

-Eos was beyond overpowered...but now its been overnerfed. let me tell you a story about Caldari ECM......

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And what do you think amarr has been trying to say all these years? We got lasers using sick cap, hard to fit and do terrible dmg type. We want a compensation for it. It does feel unfair when youre not getting it doesnt it?

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please stop posting, you have no point to make, amarr have a decent amount of ships that can be used to great effect AND consider that i am going to train for amarr ships because i frankly think they are better than gallente for my playstyle and with the nerf coming into effect i might as well train for a gankgeddon, which is going to take a month on its own not to mention getting all of the amarr ship skills to level 5, which will take me a long time training from scratch, so before you even think about moaning again, think that i currently like gallente less than amarr because i really dont see a problem with amarr ships... armageddon, owns anyway, so stfu about you getting a dumb ass broken gank geddon, the apoc is the greatest cap ship in the game, this has huge possibilities, start imagining, then the abaddon suffers from using big lasers but has one of the best tanks in the game and is the highest damage sniper too, come on this isnt bad... lets not forget the curse, awesome recon, maller, 6 low cruiser, damnation and absolution, archon revalation, stop me when one of these ships doesnt own when not in the hands of a noob

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: VolcanicButtmonkey

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I sympathise with you...really I do, but this was coming from a mile away. It just sucks that right now gallente is the deer in the headlights.

But
-Raven and megathron arent in perfect competiton. Blasters are supposed to be high damage and point blank like somone said, and to that end the mega can close in AND tank decently. Have you seen a raven going fast? ever? and on top of it , itll have no ability to tank (unless its in a gang with minmatar tp - bellicose stealthboost ftw!)

-Eos was beyond overpowered...but now its been overnerfed. let me tell you a story about Caldari ECM......

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And what do you think amarr has been trying to say all these years? We got lasers using sick cap, hard to fit and do terrible dmg type. We want a compensation for it. It does feel unfair when youre not getting it doesnt it?

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please stop posting, you have no point to make, amarr have a decent amount of ships that can be used to great effect AND consider that i am going to train for amarr ships because i frankly think they are better than gallente for my playstyle and with the nerf coming into effect i might as well train for a gankgeddon, which is going to take a month on its own not to mention getting all of the amarr ship skills to level 5, which will take me a long time training from scratch, so before you even think about moaning again, think that i currently like gallente less than amarr because i really dont see a problem with amarr ships... armageddon, owns anyway, so stfu about you getting a dumb ass broken gank geddon, the apoc is the greatest cap ship in the game, this has huge possibilities, start imagining, then the abaddon suffers from using big lasers but has one of the best tanks in the game and is the highest damage sniper too, come on this isnt bad... lets not forget the curse, awesome recon, maller, 6 low cruiser, damnation and absolution, archon revalation, stop me when one of these ships doesnt own when not in the hands of a noob

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You dont fly amarr right now, check
Apoc greatest cap ship in game, check
Apoc sucks? check
Pilgrim sucks in gangs and solo now, check

Most of the ships you named that are good or flyable are basically balanced. Id still like you to name a ship that is THE best in its class. Name the best cruiser, frig, BC, HAC, interceptor, AF, BS. Im sure many of those arent amarr ships are they? But you wouldnt know that, youre still training for the race.
Arbi is our only flyable cruiser and its not the best one, its the same as a vexor but gallente also get another flyable cruiser. We dont.
Punisher kinda meh compared to a rifter.
BC, everything fades compared to a myrmidon
HAC, can you say vagabond?
Inty, can you say crow?
AF, can you say minmatard?
BS, wow a ship class amarr can actually compete in, congrats.


You say there are really good ships? Odd that the great eve universe must be stupid or rtrded, I dont really see anyone flying them. Wow have we stumbled across a secret? Amarr is good but no one knows about it?

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Originally by: Horus Dark

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i didnt read the most of this post...i got bored.
Gallentre whining about nerfs just make me chuckle.
They already whine when the nerfbat halfway points at their direction while its beeting on amarr for the past 2 years.

Caldari needed a pvp buff.....and gallentre had the exces that caldari needed.

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Originally by: vostok

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please stop posting, you have no point to make...

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Originally by: Vladimir Norkoff

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Originally by: vostok

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please stop posting, you have no point to make...

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/signed

We get that you are deeply bitter and angry about an internet spacegame, Lyria. We sympathize with your plight. Unfortunately, your bitterness seems to have translated into a misplaced sense of vindictiveness towards your fellow players. That's not good. Please stop.

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Originally by: Ejderdisi

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How is buffing torps in PvP can damage your mega it is far beyond me?
As nerf : it is done to subject.If they make mega fire -%33 slower that would be nerf. If not, all other race's BS are nerfed with Torp buff. Isnt it?
Also all other ships ofcourse. Frigates to BCs even Commandships as raven is better at PvP now.

I'm not english, but really u dont know english neither.

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Originally by: Slayton Ford

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a Drake is normally primaried last

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Welcome to our world. If I cant get my race buffed to the same level, I wont say no to a nerf to the others to atleast share the last spot in ship performance.

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Originally by: Ejderdisi

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How is buffing torps in PvP can damage your mega it is far beyond me?
As nerf : it is done to subject.If they make mega fire -%33 slower that would be nerf. If not, all other race's BS are nerfed with Torp buff. Isnt it?

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Originally by: Muah Diib

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All i can say is....its about ******* time!!!1!!1. i have been pvping as caldari for about 2 years. and every time i saw a gal cmd ship or bc or bs i got nervous. they are way overpowered espesialy the myrm. the domi was over powered but the noss nerf helped a bit. i think that this nerf is needed and that ccp does this to cycle the races making each better than the others at some point in eve history. like it was amaar or caldari speed freaks and missiles. but the time of the gal is over it seems. or close to being over. im wondering if ther will be more nerfs to come to make a maybe one of the other races superior to the others. will be interesting.

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Originally by: Garonis

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So, basically IN MY EXPERIANCE, the Gallente ships just whiped the floor with my poor Caldari ships. Now in what way is this balanced? IMHO these 2 races are enemies, yes? They should be comparable!

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Originally by: Letifer Deus

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Edited by: Letifer Deus on 24/10/2007 07:49:32

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Welcome to our world. If I cant get my race buffed to the same level, I wont say no to a nerf to the others to atleast share the last spot in ship performance.

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Just so you know, I have amarr bs 5 and large engy turret 5. They are the only race besides gallente that I have flown for a considerable amount of time. In fact, I flew amarr quite a bit before the nerf, I was just lucky that I had gallente trained up as well. Maybe you should train up for minny, looks like that's going to be the turret-based race to be if the gallente directed nerfs keep going.

In fact. Maelstrom + ACs + crystals is stupid good. Ive not beaten one yet.

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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No constructive threads? Dont like this one?

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Nope, you're right. You have not only made a constructive post, but a constructive thread. Too bad you ended up right back where you seem to normally go: stupid, over exaggerated, elementary school-ish whining.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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I tried to explain with logic, numbers and statistics. Many of them went right down the drain with idiots posting crap all over post. That approach had little impact, so now Im trying the same as the others. Seems to atleast open the eyes and ears of people alot more. Even I have limited patience with these people.

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Originally by: Letifer Deus

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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I tried to explain with logic, numbers and statistics. Many of them went right down the drain with idiots posting crap all over post. That approach had little impact, so now Im trying the same as the others. Seems to atleast open the eyes and ears of people alot more. Even I have limited patience with these people.

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I don't remember you using any logic, numbers or statistics when you complained about the penalty the guy proposed on the Vengeance, just "zomg! Why are you putting a penalty on only the vengeance! You just couldn't let the amarr ship be good, could you?!"

Anyways, sleep time. I have a 7 page law and philosophy paper to write tomorrow by midnight, so I need to get some dang sleep.

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Originally by: vostok

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: VolcanicButtmonkey

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I sympathise with you...really I do, but this was coming from a mile away. It just sucks that right now gallente is the deer in the headlights.

But
-Raven and megathron arent in perfect competiton. Blasters are supposed to be high damage and point blank like somone said, and to that end the mega can close in AND tank decently. Have you seen a raven going fast? ever? and on top of it , itll have no ability to tank (unless its in a gang with minmatar tp - bellicose stealthboost ftw!)

-Eos was beyond overpowered...but now its been overnerfed. let me tell you a story about Caldari ECM......

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And what do you think amarr has been trying to say all these years? We got lasers using sick cap, hard to fit and do terrible dmg type. We want a compensation for it. It does feel unfair when youre not getting it doesnt it?

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please stop posting, you have no point to make, amarr have a decent amount of ships that can be used to great effect AND consider that i am going to train for amarr ships because i frankly think they are better than gallente for my playstyle and with the nerf coming into effect i might as well train for a gankgeddon, which is going to take a month on its own not to mention getting all of the amarr ship skills to level 5, which will take me a long time training from scratch, so before you even think about moaning again, think that i currently like gallente less than amarr because i really dont see a problem with amarr ships... armageddon, owns anyway, so stfu about you getting a dumb ass broken gank geddon, the apoc is the greatest cap ship in the game, this has huge possibilities, start imagining, then the abaddon suffers from using big lasers but has one of the best tanks in the game and is the highest damage sniper too, come on this isnt bad... lets not forget the curse, awesome recon, maller, 6 low cruiser, damnation and absolution, archon revalation, stop me when one of these ships doesnt own when not in the hands of a noob

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Originally by: Deamiel

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Originally by: vostok

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whaaaaaaa

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First off, you're completely overreacting. Second, you sound like my sister who is seven.

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Originally by: Atius Tirawa

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The Eos is being balanced, and I really can't see how anyone can say its not. It will still be a fantastic fleet command ship that can deal a fair bit of damage to boot.

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 09:14:34

Originally by: Atius Tirawa

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The Eos is being balanced, and I really can't see how anyone can say its not. It will still be a fantastic fleet command ship that can deal a fair bit of damage to boot.

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Ok, by that it's obvious that you haven't flown an Eos as a field command ship, and/or haven't really taken a look at the new Eos changes. I've done both.

The new Eos is worthless as a fleet command ship. It has a poor, cap-intensive tank and crappy gang links, compared to the others. Now it also has low dps, but with the added fun of large part of that dps being dealt only at ultra-low range. Wheee!

The new Eos is by far the worst of the fleet commands.

In order to be on the same line as them, it needs some more drone bandwidth (no, I don't want 5 x heavies, but a bit more than that 75 is needed), it needs at least the old drone bay size back for versatility (why nerf that with the bandwidth thing in place?), and it needs to have the gun damage bonus changed to a drone damage bonus.

With drone the primary weapons, it would still do low dps but at least that dps would have range.

The Eos is supposed to boost EW ships... but it's pushed towards weapons that have 2-3km range, while EW ships typically want to stay far away. Does not compute.

I agree that the Eos needed a nerf. But CCP went way overboard, and are killing the usefulness of the Eos as a fleet command. Why fly this thing now when any of the others will give you a much more generally useful bonus and have much better tanks?

I don't want the Eos to be a pwnmobile. But I want it to be useful in its role and on the same line as the other fleet commands. It used to be above them, now it's way below them. Some balance, please.

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far.

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far.

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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The myrmidon was overpowered, ive always said so. However 5 unbonused heavy drones do not do fearsome damage in the slightest.

May your wish be granted so long as we can target your weapons

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Heavy drones on non battleships? I think not. Myrm doesnt deserve it either. Have you compared the dps of the other races fleet command ships? I think not. This nerf putting eos closer to the balance of the other races fleet commands? I think yes.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: VJ Maverick

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far.

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Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?

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The myrmidon was overpowered, ive always said so. However 5 unbonused heavy drones do not do fearsome damage in the slightest.

May your wish be granted so long as we can target your weapons

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Please share what you are smoking, because 257 dps sure is a zhitload of unbonused damage.

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Heavy drones on non battleships? I think not. Myrm doesnt deserve it either. Have you compared the dps of the other races fleet command ships? I think not. This nerf putting eos closer to the balance of the other races fleet commands? I think yes.

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Conveniently ignoring the fact that the Eos can only use it's major dps at ultra-close (2-3km) range, which limitation doesn't affect the other fleet commands.

Or ignoring the fact that the Eos tank sucks and is cap-intensive, unlike the other fleet commands.

Or ignoring the fact that the Eos gang link types are far and away the worst of the four, and much less generally useful to a gang.

Stop looking at the those theoretical DPS numbers on your EFT. They mean much, much less than you think they mean, in practice.

The new Eos is close to useless, in any role. If you want damage, you pick pretty much anything else. If you want a tank, you pick any of the other fleet commands. If you want fleet support, you again pick one of the other three.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Yes we all know how the priviliged hate EFT, because...

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Yes we all know how the priviliged hate EFT, because...

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It pretty ironic and telling that "actually having experience with a ship and knowing what you're talking about" is "privileged" on these forums...

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Originally by: Tyfuz

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Theory or what people complain about is not that important, what statistics says is important. See what ships are used much and not as much and see what can help the once who is not used that much.

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Originally by: vostok

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the point is about the caldari buff is it makes the megathron a totally useless as a damage dealer, when the raven which is already a better mission ship suddenly became a better pvp ship too?!

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Originally by: Tral Kul

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You know some of you sound like your 2, 'the Eos is so worthless now.....whine whine whine.....it can't do more damage now then then any of the other fleet commands.....whine whine whine.....i want it to do as much as the fields......whine whine whine'

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Please share what you are smoking, because 257 dps sure is a zhitload of unbonused damage.

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Originally by: vostok

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from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag...

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Originally by: Tral Kul

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That hilarious and while the Eos will lose damage it will also now have more drone space for more variety, more back ups whatever.

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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To quote another person from another thread, who sums it up perfectly:

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It has the worst Fleet Command Tank, the worst gang link modules and it needs to get to 3km to use its weapons.

The only advantage it had was damage, but now it's not even top on damage, so exactly what's the point in it?
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Maybe you understand the feeling we get when we step into an apoc, zealot or a prophecy.

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Originally by: Kendrix Arathan

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Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 24/10/2007 15:23:57

Originally by: vostok

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from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag...

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wait wait wait, stop the thread right here..

are you actually asserting that larger drones cause more lag than small drones????

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Originally by: Pure Murder

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In your ******* face. You had it coming.

I hope they nerf gallente more.

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Originally by: Alex Harumichi

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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 15:06:00

Originally by: Tral Kul

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You know some of you sound like your 2, 'the Eos is so worthless now.....whine whine whine.....it can't do more damage now then then any of the other fleet commands.....whine whine whine.....i want it to do as much as the fields......whine whine whine'

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The Eos now has pretty much the same dps as the other fleet commands. That good, but...

To quote another person from another thread, who sums it up perfectly:

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It has the worst Fleet Command Tank, the worst gang link modules and it needs to get to 3km to use its weapons.

The only advantage it had was damage, but now it's not even top on damage, so exactly what's the point in it?
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It was already far, far behind the others in the gang support role, the damage (and ability to use 5 x large utility drones) were what made it useful in gangs.

Now the only place where the Eos is useful is if it's supporting a large dedicated ECM squad, or if you're flying against an enemy that uses heavy ECM. That's it. In any other situation, any of the other fleet commands will be much, much better.

That's not balance.

My Damnation was already a better gang support ship before this nerf. Now the Eos is left without a role... crappy solo, crappy in most fleet situations (compared to the others).

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Originally by: Venko Trenulo

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Originally by: Kendrix Arathan

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Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 24/10/2007 15:23:57

Originally by: vostok

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from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag...

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wait wait wait, stop the thread right here..

are you actually asserting that larger drones cause more lag than small drones????

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That's not how I read it. My impression is that he's saying with the drone nerfs fewer people will be flying drones, and those that do fly will get fried faster and thus cause less lag in a fleet situation.

That makes a good deal of sense. Fewer people will be flying an Eos or Myrmidon or Ishkur because they've been nerfed into oblivion. Those who are still flying a Dominix or Ishtar or Vexor will find their drones disappearing because of the shield/recall nerf, which in my opinion is the enormous Gallente-in-the-face nerf, because it's across the board. So in this case too the children will be escorted off the street as the battle gets under way. Sure, the Ishkur has room for a few spares, but with the drone nerf they'll get swept off fast also.

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Originally by: Venko Trenulo

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Hope this helps you understand the issue.

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Originally by: Praxis1452

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Originally by: Pure Murder

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In your ******* face. You had it coming.

I hope they nerf gallente more.

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^^ is this what we want? honestly.

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Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: Zyssa

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Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)

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... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14

Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: Zyssa

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Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)

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... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...

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WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14

Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: Zyssa

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Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)

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... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...

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WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14

Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: Zyssa

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Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)

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... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...

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WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?

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3xdmg mods, ogreIIs, neutronsIIs = up to 1000+ dps

An absolution doesnt even come close to this dps with gank fitting. Cry me a river.

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 09:01:12

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14

Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: Zyssa

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Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)

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... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...

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WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?

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3xdmg mods, ogreIIs, neutronsIIs = up to 1000+ dps

An absolution doesnt even come close to this dps with gank fitting. Cry me a river.

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u cant tank with that u noob. U can have that dps with all ship if u make a gank / no tank ship.

I deal 700 dps with ions + oggre. is not too much beside the tank. compared with other command ships.

If u fight a vulture u will see how hard it is. But train for the ship and fly it and dont post crap on forums.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 09:01:12

Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14

Originally by: Katrina Coreli

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Originally by: Zyssa

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Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)

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... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...

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WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?

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3xdmg mods, ogreIIs, neutronsIIs = up to 1000+ dps

An absolution doesnt even come close to this dps with gank fitting. Cry me a river.

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u cant tank with that u noob. U can have that dps with all ship if u make a gank / no tank ship.

I deal 700 dps with ions + oggre. is not too much beside the tank. compared with other command ships.

If u fight a vulture u will see how hard it is. But train for the ship and fly it and dont post crap on forums.

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700dps! Thats what an absolution does with semi gank and high skills. Nerf.

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Originally by: R'adeh

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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700dps! Thats what an absolution does with semi gank and high skills. Nerf.

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Just that the Abso does that kind of damage at much greater range, but just keep conveniently "forgetting" about that fact

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Try to fight an Absolution with EOS!
U better run. Absolution have twice powerfull tank. (better resistences)

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Ynos Fukse

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Try to fight an Absolution with EOS!
U better run. Absolution have twice powerfull tank. (better resistences)

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lol?

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: R'adeh

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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700dps! Thats what an absolution does with semi gank and high skills. Nerf.

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Just that the Abso does that kind of damage at much greater range, but just keep conveniently "forgetting" about that fact

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These dps numbers are for high damage ammo.
Blasters go 3+3km
Pulses go 7+4km

Yeah this is a huge difference to warrant such dps in a world where web range is 10km and not 20km. You fail.

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Originally by: R'adeh

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But whatever, keep spewing your bull**** EFT setups 99% haven't used in real combat

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Yes this is what you people always say when you dont want your precious pwn mobile nerfed.

I say "But look how good your ship is in EFT"
You say "EFT doesnt say **** about performance"
I say "Ok but Ive seen these in action they pwn me"
You say "You just suck at pvp"

Pretty failproof way of arguing.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 25/10/2007 09:36:37

Originally by: R'adeh

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But whatever, keep spewing your bull**** EFT setups 99% haven't used in real combat

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Yes this is what you people always say when you dont want your precious pwn mobile nerfed.

I say "But look how good your ship is in EFT"
You say "EFT doesnt say **** about performance"
I say "Ok but Ive seen these in action they pwn me"
You say "You just suck at pvp"

Pretty failproof way of arguing.

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Originally by: Kendrix Arathan

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Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 24/10/2007 15:23:57

Originally by: vostok

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from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag...

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wait wait wait, stop the thread right here..

are you actually asserting that larger drones cause more lag than small drones????

you win the internet, i'm not even going to argue with you cause thats the best thing i've ever heard...

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Originally by: Susan Acid

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Edited by: Susan Acid on 25/10/2007 12:29:18
I have never seen a bigger bunch of f***** pathetic c***s than those laughing at this nerf because they chose a s**** race to PvP with in the 1st place.

Keep laughing and trolling guys and girls.

I can't wait for the next r tard Caldari whine tbh

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Originally by: vostok

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so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs:
- carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier)
- torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma
- eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now

what next eh? this is what i spent the last 2 years of eve training for, everything i fly is now virtully useless, like i really wanted to fly a carrier so i could remote rep people and NOT get killmails, like i trained logistics 4 to fly an eos because it was worse than the astarte, and damn, large blaster spec to be outdone by a raven, man thats just upsetting.
not to mention some other great ideas from the new devs:
- nightmare, im sure everbody who bought it wanted 8 lows cos they thought it would make a great shield tank -.- while at the same time overpowering it making it like an abaddon with a cap bonus to guns.
- black ops ship - speculation but a battlehsip that can covert ops cloak thus kill any miner in no time at all and isnt catchable by a gate camp because it will jump to wherever it likes?

the problems with gallente ships atm are things like the MYRM and the ARAZU which are stupidly overpowered and yet no, you nerf the stuff that nobody has any problem with giving bonuses to other ships without thinking about consequences, dear god, imho you guys dont deserve this job, i dont want to play caldari online thank you very much

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Originally by: vostok

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i dont know why i bother with some of you forum tards

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Originally by: Talos Darkhart

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A Raven with the new torps still sucks to slow to heavy and if you fit to tackle and target paint(which you need to do other wise you lose to much dmg against anything smaller than a Cap Ship)you gimp your tank bad and a thron stil tears you up.

Remembert Sisi setups suck

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Originally by: R'adeh

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Originally by: Talos Darkhart

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A Raven with the new torps still sucks to slow to heavy and if you fit to tackle and target paint(which you need to do other wise you lose to much dmg against anything smaller than a Cap Ship)you gimp your tank bad and a thron stil tears you up.

Remembert Sisi setups suck

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With the difference that the Raven has range and doesn't need speed to get close...

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Originally by: Talos Darkhart

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Originally by: R'adeh

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Originally by: Talos Darkhart

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A Raven with the new torps still sucks to slow to heavy and if you fit to tackle and target paint(which you need to do other wise you lose to much dmg against anything smaller than a Cap Ship)you gimp your tank bad and a thron stil tears you up.

Remembert Sisi setups suck

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With the difference that the Raven has range and doesn't need speed to get close...

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Then again you could argue that the Mega can't get in range a lot of times whereas the Raven doesn't have to...you can't balance a ship solely based on a Mega vs. Raven theoretical fight. In most cases the Raven does not need to get in range, whereas the Mega has to. The fact that it can't stop the Mega from getting in range shouldn't matter all that much after the patch since both will have similar damage and tank after the patch. The Mega won't be the king of the hill when it comes to damage after the patch...
Yeah but forgive me pointing out the obvious but it would need speed to stop target getting close and negating the range advantage I mean how close has a mega with t2 ammo got to get before it starts shooting and how many volly un answered does the raven get while the Mega mwd's into range?

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Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr

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Ok to get everybody in this whole thread at piece...
TRAIN FOR A DIFFERENT RACE OR STFU.
IF you can't adapt to gallente TRAIN A DIFFERENT RACE.
If you don't like the EOS changes DON'T FLY THE SHIP.
If you think the myrm suck's now FLY A DIFFERENT SHIP.
If the Raven is so WTF BBQ compared to a mega FLY A RAVEN.
Is it that hard to train for a different race instead of arguing endlessly until the dev's get annoyed?
-Case closed-

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Originally by: Splagada

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SEED ME DADDY

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Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr

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Ok to get everybody in this whole thread at piece...
TRAIN FOR A DIFFERENT RACE OR STFU.
IF you can't adapt to gallente TRAIN A DIFFERENT RACE.
If you don't like the EOS changes DON'T FLY THE SHIP.
If you think the myrm suck's now FLY A DIFFERENT SHIP.
If the Raven is so WTF BBQ compared to a mega FLY A RAVEN.
Is it that hard to train for a different race instead of arguing endlessly until the dev's get annoyed?
-Case closed-

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Originally by: Nicocat

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*reads first post* Oooh! Hang on! *gets a vial and stuffs it under vostok's eye* YouWhat tears cure cancer and feed the poor, you know. Keep the balancing coming, CCP.

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Originally by: Nicocat

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*reads first post* Oooh! Hang on! *gets a vial and stuffs it under vostok's eye* YouWhat tears cure cancer and feed the poor, you know. Keep the balancing coming, CCP.

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Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr

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Ok to get everybody in this whole thread at piece...
TRAIN FOR A DIFFERENT RACE OR STFU.
IF you can't adapt to gallente TRAIN A DIFFERENT RACE.
If you don't like the EOS changes DON'T FLY THE SHIP.
If you think the myrm suck's now FLY A DIFFERENT SHIP.
If the Raven is so WTF BBQ compared to a mega FLY A RAVEN.
Is it that hard to train for a different race instead of arguing endlessly until the dev's get annoyed?
-Case closed-

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Originally by: HoeMaster

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The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose.

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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Originally by: HoeMaster

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The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined

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The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose.

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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer

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Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf

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Originally by: HoeMaster

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The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined

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The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose.

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So fit something else on it. Welcome to the world of sucky ships that dont wanna fit their racials. Can you say apoc? Can you say punisher?

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