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Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.10.25 21:36:00 - [181] Ok to get everybody in this whole thread at piece... TRAIN FOR A DIFFERENT RACE OR STFU. IF you can't adapt to gallente TRAIN A DIFFERENT RACE. If you don't like the EOS changes DON'T FLY THE SHIP. If you think the myrm suck's now FLY A DIFFERENT SHIP. If the Raven is so WTF BBQ compared to a mega FLY A RAVEN. Is it that hard to train for a different race instead of arguing endlessly until the dev's get annoyed? -Case closed-
Talos Darkhart	Posted - 2007.10.25 21:51:00 - [182] Originally by: R'adeh Originally by: Talos Darkhart A Raven with the new torps still sucks to slow to heavy and if you fit to tackle and target paint(which you need to do other wise you lose to much dmg against anything smaller than a Cap Ship)you gimp your tank bad and a thron stil tears you up. Remembert Sisi setups suck With the difference that the Raven has range and doesn't need speed to get close... Yeah but forgive me pointing out the obvious but it would need speed to stop target getting close and negating the range advantage I mean how close has a mega with t2 ammo got to get before it starts shooting and how many volly un answered does the raven get while the Mega mwd's into range?
R'adeh Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:14:00 - [183] Originally by: Talos Darkhart Originally by: R'adeh Originally by: Talos Darkhart A Raven with the new torps still sucks to slow to heavy and if you fit to tackle and target paint(which you need to do other wise you lose to much dmg against anything smaller than a Cap Ship)you gimp your tank bad and a thron stil tears you up. Remembert Sisi setups suck With the difference that the Raven has range and doesn't need speed to get close... Then again you could argue that the Mega can't get in range a lot of times whereas the Raven doesn't have to...you can't balance a ship solely based on a Mega vs. Raven theoretical fight. In most cases the Raven does not need to get in range, whereas the Mega has to. The fact that it can't stop the Mega from getting in range shouldn't matter all that much after the patch since both will have similar damage and tank after the patch. The Mega won't be the king of the hill when it comes to damage after the patch... Yeah but forgive me pointing out the obvious but it would need speed to stop target getting close and negating the range advantage I mean how close has a mega with t2 ammo got to get before it starts shooting and how many volly un answered does the raven get while the Mega mwd's into range? _______________________________________________ <Random sig with a hot chick>
Braise Erighani Gallente Galaxia Entertainment	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:18:00 - [184] Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr Ok to get everybody in this whole thread at piece... TRAIN FOR A DIFFERENT RACE OR STFU. IF you can't adapt to gallente TRAIN A DIFFERENT RACE. If you don't like the EOS changes DON'T FLY THE SHIP. If you think the myrm suck's now FLY A DIFFERENT SHIP. If the Raven is so WTF BBQ compared to a mega FLY A RAVEN. Is it that hard to train for a different race instead of arguing endlessly until the dev's get annoyed? -Case closed- I have about 20 million skill points in ship combat. Of these, more than half are specific to gallente ships/drones. So, can i have them back to switch to another race ships please? Just the 6m in drones... it would be enough.
Nicocat Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:48:00 - [185] reads first post Oooh! Hang on! gets a vial and stuffs it under vostok's eye YouWhat tears cure cancer and feed the poor, you know. Keep the balancing coming, CCP. ---------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY Down with alts! One character per account per IP!
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:53:00 - [186] Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr Ok to get everybody in this whole thread at piece... TRAIN FOR A DIFFERENT RACE OR STFU. IF you can't adapt to gallente TRAIN A DIFFERENT RACE. If you don't like the EOS changes DON'T FLY THE SHIP. If you think the myrm suck's now FLY A DIFFERENT SHIP. If the Raven is so WTF BBQ compared to a mega FLY A RAVEN. Is it that hard to train for a different race instead of arguing endlessly until the dev's get annoyed? -Case closed- this may be ok for a character for maybe 8 mill sp total who only has BS ad gun skills at level 4 which might take some 25 days to retrain, however to get my ship skills close to where my skills are now would take months. it would probably take me over 50 days just to get T2 guns in a different race.
vostok Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat	Posted - 2007.10.25 22:58:00 - [187] Originally by: Nicocat reads first post Oooh! Hang on! gets a vial and stuffs it under vostok's eye YouWhat tears cure cancer and feed the poor, you know. Keep the balancing coming, CCP. WTF WAS THAT, get over what alliance im in, like that makes difference to me as a player, PLEASE if your going to post, post something worthwhile and not EVEN MORE **** like ''your alliance is red to mine therefoe you have nothing good to say''
Katrina Coreli toxicology	Posted - 2007.10.25 23:17:00 - [188] Originally by: Nicocat reads first post Oooh! Hang on! gets a vial and stuffs it under vostok's eye YouWhat tears cure cancer and feed the poor, you know. Keep the balancing coming, CCP. It would be nice if people actually tried to rebuff arguments or points rather than all this forumite flaming and trolling. So please stfu unless you are actually bringing anything to the discussion THE CAKE IS A LIE!
HoeMaster	Posted - 2007.10.25 23:18:00 - [189] The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.25 23:23:00 - [190] Originally by: Xzar Fyrarr Ok to get everybody in this whole thread at piece... TRAIN FOR A DIFFERENT RACE OR STFU. IF you can't adapt to gallente TRAIN A DIFFERENT RACE. If you don't like the EOS changes DON'T FLY THE SHIP. If you think the myrm suck's now FLY A DIFFERENT SHIP. If the Raven is so WTF BBQ compared to a mega FLY A RAVEN. Is it that hard to train for a different race instead of arguing endlessly until the dev's get annoyed? -Case closed- Because the end result of that mentality is everyone flying the same ship of the same race with the same set-up. Training aside, I like a little variety in my combat not merely the security of knowing I'm flying this months pwnmobile.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.25 23:26:00 - [191] Originally by: HoeMaster The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose.
Compendium	Posted - 2007.10.26 00:11:00 - [192] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose. I agree. The fleet command ship was not designed to be exceptional at combat. If you want a command ship that is exceptional at combat, fly a field command ship. This is why the fleet command ship is substantially cheaper than a field command ship.
Darthirishguy Caldari The Knighthawks FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.10.26 01:09:00 - [193] Someone has to be the worst, and in all respects I still think it's amarr.
Xzar Fyrarr	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:08:00 - [194] What I'm trying to say in short is..... CCP and the dev's will --->Always<---- be changing this game. If they change the myrm, either Some pilots will adapt to it and others will just train a different race while others will just bypass those 2 options and be forever upset at the change. I'm still cross training for gallente to fly the myrm megathron hyperiod and ishtar. I don't care if I can no longer weild 5 T2 ogre's 3 medium's and loads of light drone's in my cargo hold all at the same time. If they make a bandwidth for drone's then they should give drone hp a buff or make drone shield recharge time slightly less since it's not insta anymore, or just maybe make a specific skill for drone shield recharge time. I personally don't think it was designed for one single ship to be able to weild 5 heavy drones 5 mediums and 5 lights at the same time with some room left over. One single battlecruiser* In a Battleship that seem's more than reasonable for a battlecruiser without drawback's that just seem's lopsided.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:13:00 - [195] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: HoeMaster The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose. So fit something else on it. Welcome to the world of sucky ships that dont wanna fit their racials. Can you say apoc? Can you say punisher?
Tanox	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:15:00 - [196] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: HoeMaster The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose. So fit something else on it. Welcome to the world of sucky ships that dont wanna fit their racials. Can you say apoc? Can you say punisher? Yes, let's fix something by breaking something else!
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:27:00 - [197] Originally by: Tanox Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: HoeMaster The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose. So fit something else on it. Welcome to the world of sucky ships that dont wanna fit their racials. Can you say apoc? Can you say punisher? Yes, let's fix something by breaking something else! Fix or break, as long as the relative performance is getting closer to amarr ships I dont really care anymore.
Daelin Blackleaf Aliastra	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:50:00 - [198] Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 26/10/2007 12:52:09 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer My ships are teh broked, I want everyone else ships broked too Hows about putting forth sensible suggestions for having sub-par ships buffed. Oh no wait, the Damnations tank is simply astounding and it can fit armored warfare links. Take your issues with Amarr battleships to a more relevant thread, and try being constructive instead of whining. Who knows, if more people do so, maybe the Apoc will get fixed. [EDIT: Though no amount of constructive posting will ever get the forums to work properly it seems. ]
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.26 12:55:00 - [199] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Edited by: Daelin Blackleaf on 26/10/2007 12:52:09 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer My ships are teh broked, I want everyone else ships broked too Hows about putting forth sensible suggestions for having sub-par ships buffed. Oh no wait, the Damnations tank is simply astounding and it can fit armored warfare links. Take your issues with Amarr battleships to a more relevant thread, and try being constructive instead of whining. Who knows, if more people do so, maybe the Apoc will get fixed. [EDIT: Though no amount of constructive posting will ever get the forums to work properly it seems. ] Apoc? Fixed? That ship has been so flawed for so long I really doubt they'll be fixing anything at all anytime soon. There have been millions of threads about fixing apoc, alot of them great ideas. Nothing has happend.
Marfew Jae	Posted - 2007.10.26 13:27:00 - [200] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Fix or break, as long as the relative performance is getting closer to amarr ships I dont really care anymore. Unfortunately this is the way CCP are going.Nothing is getting buffed to make it better.It's all getting Nerfed to make it worse. Would you,in all honesty, prefer other ships to be made worse than the ships you fly made better? Like I said before.It's a Kansas City Shuffle.Most people are looking at the Gallente nerf which has,for now,made them so happy that they have forgeten about the inadequacies of other races ships.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.26 13:47:00 - [201] Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf [ Take your issues with Amarr battleships to a more relevant thread, and try being constructive instead of whining. Who knows, if more people do so, maybe the Apoc will get fixed. Do do realize who you're talking to, there? Expecting constructive comments instead of whining and "I think Amarr ships suck so it's great others will too!" drivel is like expecting the Pope to turn Mormon. Possible, but highly unlikely.
Borasao	Posted - 2007.10.26 13:55:00 - [202] Originally by: KD.Fluffy Originally by: Addison Caine Hahaha. Now you know what it's been like to fly Amarr for the last two years while everyone flew their Gallente solopwnmobiles, suckers. what about people like me who flew caldari for the last two years and cross trianed in the last six months? its really not that funny. Yeah it is... it's always funny when a FOTM pilot spends time cross training and gets mad when the FOTM gets readjusted/nerfed.
Ione Hunt 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.10.26 13:57:00 - [203] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Tanox Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: HoeMaster The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose. So fit something else on it. Welcome to the world of sucky ships that dont wanna fit their racials. Can you say apoc? Can you say punisher? Yes, let's fix something by breaking something else! Fix or break, as long as the relative performance is getting closer to amarr ships I dont really care anymore. Awesome, that will do the game good!! Lyria for chief balancing dev in 2008 _______________
Borasao	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:15:00 - [204] Originally by: Alex Harumichi I don't want the Eos to be a pwnmobile. But I want it to be useful in its role and on the same line as the other fleet commands. It used to be above them, now it's way below them. Some balance, please. Check out the Damnation before you go off claiming which is the worst FCS. The Damnation has a great tank but basically no DPS. A Caracal will out DPS it. The Eos still has decent DPS (hint: use 2x heavy, 2x medium, 1x light). Seems like it's still heavy on the DPS side although sacrifices some tank. The Damnation is heavy on tank and weak on DPS. The others are in the middle. Seems pretty balanced to me.
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:29:00 - [205] Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 26/10/2007 14:29:50 Originally by: Borasao Originally by: Alex Harumichi I don't want the Eos to be a pwnmobile. But I want it to be useful in its role and on the same line as the other fleet commands. It used to be above them, now it's way below them. Some balance, please. Check out the Damnation before you go off claiming which is the worst FCS. The Damnation has a great tank but basically no DPS. Uh, you do realize that the Damnation is now easily the best fleet command, don't you? DPS does not matter (much). That fact that the Damnation can run a totally superior class of gang links while fitting a silly-good tank is what matters. Fleet commands don't need DPS. They need to be good at fleet support stuff. Thing is, Eos was always pretty crap at that, the only thing it had going for it was the dps, so it was included in fleets as a gank boat. Now that's gone, and it's back to being only a bad fleet support. Eos needs something to help it be a better fleet support ship. That's all. It has by far the worst gang links, the worst tank, a bad cap, bad speed... basically, it sucks at being a fleet support vessel. I'm fine with the DPS nerf. It's a good thing, imho. But CCP forgot that the DPS was the only thing the ship had going for it, previously. Very, very few people ever flew it with gang links, for reasons that will become clear to you once you take a look at what the infowar gang links do and try to fit the ship, then compare to the others. It's not even a contest. I fly a Damnation (too). It absolutely rocks.
Borasao	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:32:00 - [206] Originally by: Ione Hunt No offense, but I read quite a lot of your posts. And to me it just sounds you are unhappy with Amarr, and that's why the other races have to suck. How 'bout a boost for those Amarr ships that suck instead of breaking the game for everyone else...oh, wait, that would require you not to be egoistic, my bad You must be new here... can you name a week in the past year or so where a "buff Amarr" thread hasn't been on page 1 in Ships and Modules? If Amarr doesn't get buffed, then devs must like the way they are and everything else needs to be brought down so it equals out
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:41:00 - [207] Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 26/10/2007 14:42:07 Originally by: Ione Hunt Edited by: Ione Hunt on 26/10/2007 13:58:28 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Tanox Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Daelin Blackleaf Originally by: HoeMaster The myrmidon prtobably had it coming, and the carriers possibly too, but the Eos is being ruined The Eos is only ruined because information warfare links are far less useful than any other kind of link in general combat (I'm not saying they don't have their uses though). Hell, take all the guns and drones away, just let me fit armored warfare links and the ship will serve it's purpose. So fit something else on it. Welcome to the world of sucky ships that dont wanna fit their racials. Can you say apoc? Can you say punisher? Yes, let's fix something by breaking something else! Fix or break, as long as the relative performance is getting closer to amarr ships I dont really care anymore. Awesome, that will do the game good!! Lyria for chief balancing dev in 2008 No offense, but I read quite a lot of your posts. And to me it just sounds you are unhappy with Amarr, and that's why the other races have to suck. How 'bout a boost for those Amarr ships that suck instead of breaking the game for everyone else...oh, wait, that would require you not to be egoistic, my bad Been gone that past few years? What do you think the whole amarr community has been trying to do? There have been countless posts with ideas. Still NOTHING. Its easy to sit on the PVP-ownage race and throw words like that at hopeless amarr players. One quote comes in mind: "Its easy to be brave behind the castle walls" only this time those walls are starting to crumble....
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:42:00 - [208] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Just look at the apoc, zealot and omen. How long those ships just been sitting there in abyss. Well, Apoc lacks a role and Omen... probably also. But Zealot? That thing rocks. I'd fly one over a Deimos any day (and do, actually )
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:45:00 - [209] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Still NOTHING. Khanid Mk2 If that's "nothing" in your book, then you're a hopeless case.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Uninvited Guests	Posted - 2007.10.26 14:51:00 - [210] Originally by: Alex Harumichi Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Just look at the apoc, zealot and omen. How long those ships just been sitting there in abyss. Well, Apoc lacks a role and Omen... probably also. But Zealot? That thing rocks. I'd fly one over a Deimos any day (and do, actually ) ok lets put zealot aside if you like. Tell me what amarr ship excells at its task Arbi? I think not, vexor better Maller? Ruppie better Omen? Thorax better Punisher? It tanks, so what? Rifter pwn faces it Vengeance? Sure it tanks, sucky damage...jaguar speed tanks and ganks much better Apoc? Lol Gank geddon? Gank mega ganks more Sniper? Rokh, rail mega? Prophecy it tanks good? No the drake tanks 900dps. Proph damage good? No Harbinger ganks good, so does a hurricane and a myrm. Myrm tanks like a battleship though. Pilgrim? Sucks with nos nerf, TDs worthless in gangs Destroyers, interdictors....they are not the best ones hmm Does amarr have any ship that is THE best? Other races sure have stuff they are BEST at like tanking (wich is funny because thats supposed to be an amarr thing) or ganking or speed or all at once.

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