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Pure Murder
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:55:00 -
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In your ******* face. You had it coming.
I hope they nerf gallente more.
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Praxis1452
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Posted - 2007.10.25 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Pure Murder In your ******* face. You had it coming.
I hope they nerf gallente more.
^^ is this what we want? honestly.
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Tral Kul
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Posted - 2007.10.25 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 15:06:00
Originally by: Tral Kul You know some of you sound like your 2, 'the Eos is so worthless now.....whine whine whine.....it can't do more damage now then then any of the other fleet commands.....whine whine whine.....i want it to do as much as the fields......whine whine whine'
The Eos now has pretty much the same dps as the other fleet commands. That good, but...
To quote another person from another thread, who sums it up perfectly:
--- It has the worst Fleet Command Tank, the worst gang link modules and it needs to get to 3km to use its weapons.
The only advantage it had was damage, but now it's not even top on damage, so exactly what's the point in it? ---
It was already far, far behind the others in the gang support role, the damage (and ability to use 5 x large utility drones) were what made it useful in gangs.
Now the only place where the Eos is useful is if it's supporting a large dedicated ECM squad, or if you're flying against an enemy that uses heavy ECM. That's it. In any other situation, any of the other fleet commands will be much, much better.
That's not balance.
My Damnation was already a better gang support ship before this nerf. Now the Eos is left without a role... crappy solo, crappy in most fleet situations (compared to the others).
The Eos will still have either the most damage or near the most damage (I'm not taking anything for certain yet as it all is only on Sisi and none of the changes are offically final). It also has a fairly tough tank, as far as I've been able to figure out by playing with the ship it's tank is between 2-3 in terms of best, however that's still something like 500-600 dps.
Now about the ewar stuff, yes I agree it's specialized and it's no where near the universal use of the Amarr or the vulture but then again it's a trade off. The Eos has arguably the highest damage even without heavies and you want a less specialized warfare link?
Regardless of that though the ewar bonus is really really nice and I'll admit that while I don't have loads of fleet experience I'd think as a fleet command ship you'd want at least one just for the bonuses to your ewar ships. If that's not your style of play then go grab a hac or even field command, but honestly the command ships were never meant to do damage first, they're meant to provide boni to thier fleet.
And that's what alot of people complaining don't seem to get, just because the Eos was so powerful in tanking and dps doesn't mean that's what it's intended purpose was.
I close with this though, I do agree with you about the large logistics drones and I hope that maybe CCP makes them take less bandwidth or somethign because that is part of the intended role of fleet commands.
Oh also I point out that we only have half the story, there are supposed to be new drones, new modules too and we have no idea what they might be or how they might change things.
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Kendrix Arathan
Minmatar N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2007.10.25 05:25:00 -
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Originally by: Venko Trenulo
Originally by: Kendrix Arathan Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 24/10/2007 15:23:57
Originally by: vostok from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag...
wait wait wait, stop the thread right here..
are you actually asserting that larger drones cause more lag than small drones????
That's not how I read it. My impression is that he's saying with the drone nerfs fewer people will be flying drones, and those that do fly will get fried faster and thus cause less lag in a fleet situation.
That makes a good deal of sense. Fewer people will be flying an Eos or Myrmidon or Ishkur because they've been nerfed into oblivion. Those who are still flying a Dominix or Ishtar or Vexor will find their drones disappearing because of the shield/recall nerf, which in my opinion is the enormous Gallente-in-the-face nerf, because it's across the board. So in this case too the children will be escorted off the street as the battle gets under way. Sure, the Ishkur has room for a few spares, but with the drone nerf they'll get swept off fast also.
I'll give you that that explanation is alot more grounded in reality, its a horrably convaluted and round about way to get things done, and i don't it's likely the reasoning behind the changes.
i think the OP was likely just repeating somthing he heard some where...
Originally by: Venko Trenulo Hope this helps you understand the issue.
My alt flys galente and i realy dont have a problem with the changes, granted she doesnt fly a Eos so i cant realy weigh in on that, but i'm fine with the other drone changes
What i do have a problem is hearsay and conjecture stated as fact. things like "they didnt it with out thinking" "they didnt concider the concaquences" " they dont care about what happens" To assume that the CCP devs decide changes randomly, as if they were rolling dice or pulling names out of a hat is quite ignorant, and an attempt to play the victum.
claiming the carrier change as a galente nerf, is the hight of aragance and self centered stuipidity.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.25 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Praxis1452
Originally by: Pure Murder In your ******* face. You had it coming.
I hope they nerf gallente more.
^^ is this what we want? honestly.
Yeah
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Ynos Fukse
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Posted - 2007.10.25 07:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
Originally by: Zyssa
Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)
... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...
WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ynos Fukse Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
Originally by: Zyssa
Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)
... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...
WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?
3xdmg mods, ogreIIs, neutronsIIs = up to 1000+ dps
An absolution doesnt even come close to this dps with gank fitting. Cry me a river.
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Katrina Coreli
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:40:00 -
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Originally by: Ynos Fukse Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
Originally by: Zyssa
Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)
... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...
WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?
Compare a pre nerf Eoses damage with 7 Bonused Blasters and 5 Heavy drones and compare that to the dps other races ships can achieve.
For its class the Eoses damage was rediculous and it could still maintain a good tank.
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Ynos Fukse
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Posted - 2007.10.25 08:59:00 -
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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 09:02:18 Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 09:01:34 Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 09:01:12
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ynos Fukse Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
Originally by: Zyssa
Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)
... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...
WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?
3xdmg mods, ogreIIs, neutronsIIs = up to 1000+ dps
An absolution doesnt even come close to this dps with gank fitting. Cry me a river.
u cant tank with that u noob. U can have that dps with many ships if u make a gank / no tank ship.
I deal 700 dps with ions + oggre. is not too much beside the tank. compared with other command ships.
If u fight a vulture u will see how hard it is. But train for the ship and fly it and dont post crap on forums.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:02:00 -
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Originally by: Ynos Fukse Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 09:01:12
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ynos Fukse Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
Originally by: Zyssa
Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)
... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...
WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?
3xdmg mods, ogreIIs, neutronsIIs = up to 1000+ dps
An absolution doesnt even come close to this dps with gank fitting. Cry me a river.
u cant tank with that u noob. U can have that dps with all ship if u make a gank / no tank ship.
I deal 700 dps with ions + oggre. is not too much beside the tank. compared with other command ships.
If u fight a vulture u will see how hard it is. But train for the ship and fly it and dont post crap on forums.
700dps! Thats what an absolution does with semi gank and high skills. Nerf.
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R'adeh
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:05:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ynos Fukse Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 09:01:12
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ynos Fukse Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 07:59:14
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
Originally by: Zyssa
Gallente HAD the best Fleet Command (now its equal to other races)
... The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage ...
WHAT UBER DAMAGE? ARE U F##### CRAZY?
3xdmg mods, ogreIIs, neutronsIIs = up to 1000+ dps
An absolution doesnt even come close to this dps with gank fitting. Cry me a river.
u cant tank with that u noob. U can have that dps with all ship if u make a gank / no tank ship.
I deal 700 dps with ions + oggre. is not too much beside the tank. compared with other command ships.
If u fight a vulture u will see how hard it is. But train for the ship and fly it and dont post crap on forums.
700dps! Thats what an absolution does with semi gank and high skills. Nerf.
Just that the Abso does that kind of damage at much greater range, but just keep conveniently "forgetting" about that fact _______________________________________________
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Ynos Fukse
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:10:00 -
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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 09:12:23 Try to fight an Absolution with EOS! U better run. Absolution have twice powerfull tank. (better resistences).
IF the ccp want to remove shis ship from SOLO PVP they should remove 2 med slots.! AND THATS IT. 3 med slots... no soloability.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:12:00 -
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Originally by: R'adeh
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
700dps! Thats what an absolution does with semi gank and high skills. Nerf.
Just that the Abso does that kind of damage at much greater range, but just keep conveniently "forgetting" about that fact
These dps numbers are for high damage ammo. Blasters go 3+3km Pulses go 7+4km
Yeah this is a huge difference to warrant such dps in a world where web range is 10km and not 20km. You fail.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:13:00 -
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Originally by: Ynos Fukse Try to fight an Absolution with EOS! U better run. Absolution have twice powerfull tank. (better resistences)
lol?
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Ynos Fukse
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Ynos Fukse Try to fight an Absolution with EOS! U better run. Absolution have twice powerfull tank. (better resistences)
lol?
well maybe i exagerate a litle bit.. the thing is the fight could be on the edge. I fought Absolution. Eos is ballanced as the way it is right now. that i wanted to say.
and again 3 MED slots can remove eos from solo pwn ship class ( sort of speak)
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R'adeh
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: R'adeh
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
700dps! Thats what an absolution does with semi gank and high skills. Nerf.
Just that the Abso does that kind of damage at much greater range, but just keep conveniently "forgetting" about that fact
These dps numbers are for high damage ammo. Blasters go 3+3km Pulses go 7+4km
Yeah this is a huge difference to warrant such dps in a world where web range is 10km and not 20km. You fail.
It's still only half the range, and the Eos great damage is only valid if the enemy doesn't shoot its drones. Once that happens, its damage is worse...coupled with the smaller range I'd say that's a considerable tradeoff.
I think no one argues that the Eos deserved a small nerf, but what they're doing now is a joke.
But whatever, keep spewing your bull**** EFT setups 99% haven't used in real combat _______________________________________________
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TigerWoman
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:28:00 -
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like springfields "Nelson Muntz" once said:
"Ha ha!"
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:36:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 25/10/2007 09:36:37
Originally by: R'adeh
But whatever, keep spewing your bull**** EFT setups 99% haven't used in real combat
Yes this is what you people always say when you dont want your precious pwn mobile nerfed.
I say "But look how good your ship is in EFT" You say "EFT doesnt say **** about performance" I say "Ok but Ive seen these in action they pwn me" You say "You just suck at pvp"
Pretty failproof way of arguing.
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Ogul
Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.10.25 09:43:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Yes this is what you people always say when you dont want your precious pwn mobile nerfed.
I say "But look how good your ship is in EFT" You say "EFT doesnt say **** about performance" I say "Ok but Ive seen these in action they pwn me" You say "You just suck at pvp"
Pretty failproof way of arguing.
Maybe because "I once got killed by <insert shiptype here>" is no information whatsoever?
If you dedicate your fitting to it, an EOS (because of racial resistance bonuses) can actually tank a blasterthron. Now does that mean its tank is too strong (probably the worst of all fleet commands) or that the Mega needs more damage?
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Squatdog
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Posted - 2007.10.25 10:06:00 -
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Edited by: Squatdog on 25/10/2007 10:07:31 GALLENTE TEARS ARE SWEET NECTAR TO CALDARI!
No more imbalanced pwnage? QQ
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R'adeh
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.25 10:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 25/10/2007 09:36:37
Originally by: R'adeh
But whatever, keep spewing your bull**** EFT setups 99% haven't used in real combat
Yes this is what you people always say when you dont want your precious pwn mobile nerfed.
I say "But look how good your ship is in EFT" You say "EFT doesnt say **** about performance" I say "Ok but Ive seen these in action they pwn me" You say "You just suck at pvp"
Pretty failproof way of arguing.
As I mentioned in my previous post, I did NOT argue that the Eos didn't need a nerf, just that the current nerf proposal is a joke. But once again you ignored the part of the post you don't like
Every single one of your arguments is based and backed up only with EFT. The fact that an Eos beat you in a fight doesn't make it overpowered. All you've said so far is OMGHAXDPS. Nothing more. That argument is NOT enough to warrant the current strength of the nerf.
Oh, and I never said you suck at PVP...hell, I never come accross you in space afaik, how could I possibly know? I said that your way to argument is wrong! _______________________________________________
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Ynos Fukse
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Posted - 2007.10.25 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 11:56:25 Edited by: Ynos Fukse on 25/10/2007 11:55:07 since the discution is sprading with craps all over the forum i post this here too:
In this moment i have an eos with this fitting (what i remember):
- skills - medium heavy blaster spec lvl4 refiring lvl5 surgical lvl5 command ship lvl5
- HIGH - 6x heavy ion 1x heany neutron
- MED - 10MN MWD 2x warp distruptor II some web med electroch. cap injector.
- LOW - 2x medium armor repaire II armor explosion hardener II eanm II damage control II
- RIGGS - 2x nano pumps
- IMPLANTS - 3% rof 3% damage
I deal 392 DPS with the guns 311 DPS with ogres
TOTAL - 703
IF I MOUNT 3 mag stabs YOU NOOBS i gain this!!! (that mean no tank)
499 with guns 311 with oggres
TOTAL - 810 DPS
if i would have neutrons probably i will have around 830 but with ancillary. and just one nano pump.
who will compromise tank like this for 100 DPS extra?
- resistences - I rep 127 armor / sec.
74.1 EM - 490 DPS tankability 73.8 EXP - 484 - // - < fear minmatars like hell 89.5 KIN - 1209 - // - 79.0 TH - 604 - // -
NO 1000 DPS NO UBER TANK
dont fill the forum with crap if you dont know what you talking about!
anyway i dont use EOS with 7 guns.. so the damage is actually smaller..
damage dealt from drones is not uber
5 hammerheads deal 150 dps 5 ogres 311
161 extra bonus from drones is not overpower / is not uber/ not to mention u loose them fast and if u dont want and u dock them one by one and deploy during fight ... u loose a lot of dps.
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Susan Acid
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Susan Acid on 25/10/2007 12:29:18 I have never seen a bigger bunch of f***** pathetic c***s than those laughing at this nerf because they chose a s**** race to PvP with in the 1st place.
Keep laughing and trolling guys and girls.
I can't wait for the next r tard Caldari whine tbh
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vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.25 12:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kendrix Arathan Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 24/10/2007 15:23:57
Originally by: vostok from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag...
wait wait wait, stop the thread right here..
are you actually asserting that larger drones cause more lag than small drones????
you win the internet, i'm not even going to argue with you cause thats the best thing i've ever heard...
wow are you ******** or something?! ok ok, lets try this... 1 carrier with level 4 skills = up to 13 drones + 2 BS = 23 drones
after the nerf 1 cariier with level 4 skills = 5 drones + 2 BS = 13 fighters or 15 drones
now, if we take this data and look at it, we notice that before the nerf there were more drones than after, i dont know why i bother with some of you forum tards
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vostok
Minmatar Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.25 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Susan Acid Edited by: Susan Acid on 25/10/2007 12:29:18 I have never seen a bigger bunch of f***** pathetic c***s than those laughing at this nerf because they chose a s**** race to PvP with in the 1st place.
Keep laughing and trolling guys and girls.
I can't wait for the next r tard Caldari whine tbh
i am frankly fed up with this rubbish, i didnt pick gallente because i thought they were amazing at pvp, i have trained gallente since 2003 for pure love of the ships, and you think that gallente were so powerful then?! when a torp would hit a frig for the same damage as a battleship and they could be launched by kestrals?!
oh and people sarcasm on forums DOES NOT WORK! please if your going to post something, make it more constructive than, ''OMFGBBQDPS!!!11111oneoneone'' or ''ha, serves you right, i've seen people whining about gallente ships being too good for ages so this nerf is a good thing''
one more thing, I DID NOT START THIS THREAD COMPLAINING ABOUT ONLY GALLENTE SHIPS, im talking about the effect on gallente pilots because i fly gallente ship, this makes a huge difference to my game in nothing but a negative way and barely even touches on the problems with ships like the myrm
(notice all other drone boats are NOT high tier ships... vexor: 1 tier below the thorax, dominix: bottom tier, arbitrator: same as vexor, imicus?!: well its pretty much useless anyway :/. then you have the myrm being the tier 2 bc and suddenly it can fit 6 neutron blasters, 5 heavy drones and the passive tank of god... nice one ccp)
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William DeMeo
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.10.25 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: vostok so far everything i have seen from the new patch seems like a massive nerf to gallente from the new devs: - carriers down to 5 drones (gallente hae the best carrier) - torps + 33% damage?! thanks for making a raven outdamage a blasterthron which is already **** compared to an arma - eos is just shat on because it has to use med drones now
what next eh? this is what i spent the last 2 years of eve training for, everything i fly is now virtully useless, like i really wanted to fly a carrier so i could remote rep people and NOT get killmails, like i trained logistics 4 to fly an eos because it was worse than the astarte, and damn, large blaster spec to be outdone by a raven, man thats just upsetting. not to mention some other great ideas from the new devs: - nightmare, im sure everbody who bought it wanted 8 lows cos they thought it would make a great shield tank -.- while at the same time overpowering it making it like an abaddon with a cap bonus to guns. - black ops ship - speculation but a battlehsip that can covert ops cloak thus kill any miner in no time at all and isnt catchable by a gate camp because it will jump to wherever it likes?
the problems with gallente ships atm are things like the MYRM and the ARAZU which are stupidly overpowered and yet no, you nerf the stuff that nobody has any problem with giving bonuses to other ships without thinking about consequences, dear god, imho you guys dont deserve this job, i dont want to play caldari online thank you very much
How is the arazu stupidly overpowered? Cuz it does **** damage and it can only disable 1 target somewhat effectively? It's not underpowered but it definetly isn't overpowered.
As for the other ships, gallente will still have good blaster ships. It's just our droneships that will be ******* ****
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MTX PT
New European Regiment Pax Atlantis
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Posted - 2007.10.25 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: MTX PT on 25/10/2007 13:50:20 I think that was interesting that CCP release a report with comparative information of all ships between races.
Max Damage output; Tank; Cap consumption for maintain tank and weapons; Best range for fight, etc
Off course that everything depends on the fit, but they must have that information for making rebalances.
Just a thought, CCP should start thinking about balance before release a new ship, and make little adjustments after if necessary
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2007.10.25 14:31:00 -
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Well, i gotta add to this.
Neutron thron is quite a huge gamble really, close to no tank, good dmg but so many things could go wrong that its really rolling the dices when you warp on something.
Raven gets its torps boosted ? Well ... 33% sounds like a lot ... as in too much. There is so much variables you have to take care with blasters (get in close range fast, get transversal down, dont be too close to not hit moving targets, etc) that I think its unfair that a 100% chance to hit system (missiles) get comparable DPS. I don't know the numbers and all, but I really hope they are'nt bringing the raven dmg on par with a blaster thron. A torp raven can fit 3x dmg mod without sacrificing much, and still can fit 1 scrambler, while sacrificing a bit of tank tho.
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Kendrix Arathan
Minmatar N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2007.10.25 17:31:00 -
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Originally by: vostok
i dont know why i bother with some of you forum tards
My thoughts exactly, which is why i'm not going to.
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R'adeh
Gallente 0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.10.25 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: Talos Darkhart A Raven with the new torps still sucks to slow to heavy and if you fit to tackle and target paint(which you need to do other wise you lose to much dmg against anything smaller than a Cap Ship)you gimp your tank bad and a thron stil tears you up.
Remembert Sisi setups suck
With the difference that the Raven has range and doesn't need speed to get close... _______________________________________________
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