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Blaino
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:45:00 -
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where are you guys finding the changes that are being made to torps?
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Heavy drones on non battleships? I think not. Myrm doesnt deserve it either. Have you compared the dps of the other races fleet command ships? I think not. This nerf putting eos closer to the balance of the other races fleet commands? I think yes. 
Conveniently ignoring the fact that the Eos can only use it's major dps at ultra-close (2-3km) range, which limitation doesn't affect the other fleet commands.
Or ignoring the fact that the Eos tank sucks and is cap-intensive, unlike the other fleet commands.
Or ignoring the fact that the Eos gang link types are far and away the worst of the four, and much less generally useful to a gang.
Stop looking at the those theoretical DPS numbers on your EFT. They mean much, much less than you think they mean, in practice.
The new Eos is close to useless, in any role. If you want damage, you pick pretty much anything else. If you want a tank, you pick any of the other fleet commands. If you want fleet support, you again pick one of the other three.
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Katrina Coreli
toxicology
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
Originally by: VJ Maverick
Originally by: Katrina Coreli
I cant see how the Eos is inline with the other races cmd ships. Post nerf its going to be pretty unflyable. The Eos needed turret slots taken off to halt the uber damage but the reduction to med drones is far too far.
Here is an idea. Let me mount large autocannons on my Hurricane and Sleipnir and you can keep your heavy drones on your Myrmidon and Eos. Suund fair?
The myrmidon was overpowered, ive always said so. However 5 unbonused heavy drones do not do fearsome damage in the slightest.
May your wish be granted so long as we can target your weapons
Please share what you are smoking, because 257 dps sure is a zhitload of unbonused damage.
Which is why i think it should have been taken down to 5 or better 4 turret slots. That would limit even a full neutron gank Eos to the mid 600s interms of damage and would leave it with almost no tank.
The Eos always has had a problem. It is clearly a solo/small gang boat whereas its bonuses lend it more heavyily to fleet warefare (Information Warfare) but this has been overlooked because it was awsomein its role solo or in small gangs. However following this nerf it is nigh on unflyable. Crap dps, decent enough tank but mismatched bonuses which make it on ballence the worst in its class by quite a long way post nerf.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.24 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Heavy drones on non battleships? I think not. Myrm doesnt deserve it either. Have you compared the dps of the other races fleet command ships? I think not. This nerf putting eos closer to the balance of the other races fleet commands? I think yes. 
Conveniently ignoring the fact that the Eos can only use it's major dps at ultra-close (2-3km) range, which limitation doesn't affect the other fleet commands.
Or ignoring the fact that the Eos tank sucks and is cap-intensive, unlike the other fleet commands.
Or ignoring the fact that the Eos gang link types are far and away the worst of the four, and much less generally useful to a gang.
Stop looking at the those theoretical DPS numbers on your EFT. They mean much, much less than you think they mean, in practice.
The new Eos is close to useless, in any role. If you want damage, you pick pretty much anything else. If you want a tank, you pick any of the other fleet commands. If you want fleet support, you again pick one of the other three.
Yes we all know how the priviliged hate EFT, because EFT are silly non realistic numbers and what counts is actualy gameplay. And if you say that your overpowered ship beat your ships you get the answer "you suck at pvp". This reminds me of a phrase: "the overpowered race works in mysterious ways". Apply it to anything and you win any logic. gg.
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Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:26:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Yes we all know how the priviliged hate EFT, because...
It pretty ironic and telling that "actually having experience with a ship and knowing what you're talking about" is "privileged" on these forums...
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.24 10:28:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Yes we all know how the priviliged hate EFT, because...
It pretty ironic and telling that "actually having experience with a ship and knowing what you're talking about" is "privileged" on these forums...
Priviliged = the pilots that fly the overpowered ships.
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Tyfuz
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:09:00 -
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Megathron is real nice if your 3-7km but thats it. Raven is populare and used alot in pvp so why change it. why not change ships who are not used anymore like apoc. I also use Raven for a alt and im happy about it. Cant make the same damage at 3-7km but i can start shooting earlier so dps might end up close to the same, unless i meet a mega right at a gate. If its true that torp will get 33% more damage its not very good for this game. If raven gonna deal more damage i say make it should cost more to build it. Never change anything that works good... Why do people use raven so much if its not good enough. Help amarr situation instead. And i did not see many mega and geddon/apoc in the tournament some weeks ago.
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Tyfuz
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:17:00 -
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Theory or what people complain about is not that important, what statistics says is important. See what ships are used much and not as much and see what can help the once who is not used that much.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:23:00 -
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Originally by: Tyfuz Theory or what people complain about is not that important, what statistics says is important. See what ships are used much and not as much and see what can help the once who is not used that much.
Ive been trying to explain this too with valid statistical data from ccp blogs. You think people accept this? No.
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Xzar Fyrarr
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:25:00 -
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Can CCP Nerf gallente space next while they at it nerf the forums. Nerf Nerfing? Nerf nerfing the people that nerf the nerfers? Gallente aren't ubber pwn wtf bbq sauce of the month now... o god. Train amarr caldari and mimmatar if you can't adapt. End of story. I'm training for the gallente drone ships anyway tbh. I still want to fly a Myrm and a dominix so meh. I'm uncool for training for the not so much bbq pwnmobile race I guese
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cheesyhead
Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim
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Posted - 2007.10.24 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: vostok the point is about the caldari buff is it makes the megathron a totally useless as a damage dealer, when the raven which is already a better mission ship suddenly became a better pvp ship too?!
No no no, look, they made it a better PVP ship.. now its just as good as any other pvp ship.. i dont see u guys having any trouble with the maelstrom, which also has the damage of a blasterthron, it still wont be ablet o freakin solo. and it will now be crap at missions since the torps will only be going as far as 20-30 km max? so technically they made a short range weapon on a ship so it has the same damage as any other gank ship.
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Sikozu Prioris
Suns Of Korhal YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:20:00 -
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Update on the nerf to gallente;
Myrmidon has been given a 75 mbit/s drone bandwidth.
Why the hell does ccp see the need to nerf every single drone boat into the floor. So what if the drones meant it could do more dps than other ships in the same class. YOU CANT KILL THEIR WEAPONS SYSTEMS. CCP go hire some dev's who have actually played the game please.
The eos nerf to 5 turrets and 75 mbit/s makes it suck compleatly. Sure it COULD have the highest dps if u ddnt fit a tank but this was at 2000m FFS, where as every other fleet commmand had much more range. That is the normal trade off, range for damage.
You dont even remember why these ships where so in the first place.
REV 3 is more and more looking like SWG combat patch for me. You can bet that i'll be cancelling accounts if certain changes go thro/made so harsh as they are at the moment. "A enemy fleet emerges from the shadows"
- What shadows!?! We're in ****ing space for gods sake
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julius tel'kash
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Posted - 2007.10.24 13:42:00 -
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goodbye EOS
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Yadee
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:08:00 -
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I guess eve's most blatant timesink jumped up and hit you in the face bigtime :)
In other MMOs the timesinks are having 9 out of 10 items from a boss in a raid be utterly useless and not wanted by anyone, to halt peoples progress. To convince the playerbase that if they die its normal to loose experience, then brainwash the masses so that they flame people who dont like death penalty
In eve where theres no such thing as xp loss, or raids, or such, but its still a mmo and it needs its blatant timesinks, they have perhaps the most efficient of them all, DELEVELING you !
When the dimwitted muppets in charge of computer game finances realise that it doesnt pay off to rush a game into release, and that mmo customers doesnt stick around for further subscription intervals when you throw **** like this in their face, we might actually see a game forum that doesnt consist of 90% whining
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Tral Kul
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:17:00 -
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You know some of you sound like your 2, 'the Eos is so worthless now.....whine whine whine.....it can't do more damage now then then any of the other fleet commands.....whine whine whine.....i want it to do as much as the fields......whine whine whine'
Seriously grow up, the sp isn't wasted, it just means that now you actually have to use the Eos as intended and not as a solo wtfownmoblie.
And for those that think the myri didn't have this coming, could I please have what your smoking cause i could use it.
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ColetteLehtola
Lone Starr Corporation
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:36:00 -
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Well I must say that my eyes started to hurt at page two..
The single caldari boost (torps) will not make the caldari race better than any other race just because of this single boost. It will affect two caldari ships, the scorpion and the raven. So how can this be in any possible way unbalanced?
We will still have most mass, worst agility and on top of that never be able to fit some kind of ew into our mids unless we want to melt to any other bs's like butter on the stove.. ...Where's your god now? |

Alex Harumichi
Gallente Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.10.24 14:54:00 -
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Edited by: Alex Harumichi on 24/10/2007 15:06:00
Originally by: Tral Kul You know some of you sound like your 2, 'the Eos is so worthless now.....whine whine whine.....it can't do more damage now then then any of the other fleet commands.....whine whine whine.....i want it to do as much as the fields......whine whine whine'
The Eos now has pretty much the same dps as the other fleet commands. That good, but...
To quote another person from another thread, who sums it up perfectly:
--- It has the worst Fleet Command Tank, the worst gang link modules and it needs to get to 3km to use its weapons.
The only advantage it had was damage, but now it's not even top on damage, so exactly what's the point in it? ---
It was already far, far behind the others in the gang support role, the damage (and ability to use 5 x large utility drones) were what made it useful in gangs.
Now the only place where the Eos is useful is if it's supporting a large dedicated ECM squad, or if you're flying against an enemy that uses heavy ECM. That's it. In any other situation, any of the other fleet commands will be much, much better.
That's not balance.
My Damnation was already a better gang support ship before this nerf. Now the Eos is left without a role... crappy solo, crappy in most fleet situations (compared to the others).
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Letifer Deus
A Astroid Belt
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Please share what you are smoking, because 257 dps sure is a zhitload of unbonused damage.
275 dps that has a lag time many times worse than BS-sized missles and can be easily wiped out with a few smartbomb hits. Right, it's teh wttfpwnage.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Brought to you by the letter ARRR!" |

Kendrix Arathan
Minmatar N00bs With Guns
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:23:00 -
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Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 24/10/2007 15:23:57
Originally by: vostok from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag...
wait wait wait, stop the thread right here..
are you actually asserting that larger drones cause more lag than small drones????
you win the internet, i'm not even going to argue with you cause thats the best thing i've ever heard...
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Gaius Gallius
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tral Kul That hilarious and while the Eos will lose damage it will also now have more drone space for more variety, more back ups whatever.
Actually, based on the SiSi changes, the Eos drone bay will be smaller after the patch than it is now.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Uninvited Guests
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Alex Harumichi
To quote another person from another thread, who sums it up perfectly:
--- It has the worst Fleet Command Tank, the worst gang link modules and it needs to get to 3km to use its weapons.
The only advantage it had was damage, but now it's not even top on damage, so exactly what's the point in it? ---
Wow now you sound like amarr. Maybe you understand the feeling we get when we step into an apoc, zealot or a prophecy.
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Zolian
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Posted - 2007.10.24 15:55:00 -
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More space for small drones with all the heavies you won't be carrying, that is. 
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Xzar Fyrarr
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Posted - 2007.10.24 21:37:00 -
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I just want to ask a question aobut a myrm. With heavies it used to reach about what? 400dps or 600? And also... If CCP does such a bad job at nerfing/boosting races and ships to keep everything fairly balanced --> the problems with gallente ships atm are things like the MYRM and the ARAZU which are stupidly overpowered and yet no, you nerf the stuff that nobody has any problem with giving bonuses to other ships without thinking about consequences, dear god, imho you guys dont deserve this job, i dont want to play caldari online thank you very much<--- then why don't you apply for a job as one of them and try to make the game function properly........ Gallente wont be completely useless.... they still get drone bonuses do they not? A Raven shouldn't sacrifice it tank to fit the MWD it will need to catch a megathron the web it will need to keep the megathron in place AND the warp disrupter it will need to stop it from warping right? Amarr and gallente battleships will still be able to beat a pvp fitted raven most of the time imho. EOS is... well... I has no comment on that.
"what next eh? this is what i spent the last 2 years of eve training for, everything i fly is now virtully useless" How many other people do you think that happened to? EvE isn't ment to have a BEST race. There isn't a BEST. Also: How were the dev's supposed to know you spent 2 years to fly those ships? IF a ship was as you say "now virtully useless" Then I think we should see NO ishkur's in the sky now... NO Myrm's NO Megathron's NO Gallente carrier. NO EOS's Since they are all "virtully useless" NO ship in this game is anywhere close to useless. Droneboat's still get there droone damage no? They are still droneboat's. How is scaleing down the drone capacity going to nerf the living heck out of drone ships :myrm, ishkur ect....? It is simply making them more of a match compared to other ship's. Could a hurricane take on a good fitted myrm and live to tell the tale 1 month ago? Talking about a myrm with good drone skills/tanking/blaster skills ect... against a hurricane with good drone skills tanking projectiles ect... The myrm could out tank a drake and out damage it , which it should be able to do considering it uses blasters and drones. The drake is the best BC tank other than the myrm. On the drones note: It imho had a wee bit too much versatility. A myrm pilot could probally take on almost any ship that entered local "including a BS, excluding some command ships" and put up a good fight if I am correct? Mainly because of it vast utility of DIFFERENT kinds of drones. The band width won't kill the ship. I think it's evening it out to make other ship's have more of a chance against it and to also make myrm pilot's more aware of what it can take on and may wish to rethink there chances of takingon something else.
But like I said befor. If you can't adapt to the change's dont train gallente. On the other hand.. amarr are probally turning pinkish red by the beatings of the dreaded Nerf-O-Bat.
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Nosenhojh
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Posted - 2007.10.24 21:53:00 -
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I had this lovely dream where people stopped whining....
How bout, train for a race you like, adapt to changes as they occur and find a way to make it work. I fly Gallente and still will, if you can't make something out of those ships the problem is on your end and no amount of wtfhaxccpnerfedmyshiiipp will help.
Have fun
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Vladimir Norkoff
Income Redistribution Service The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2007.10.24 22:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Maybe you understand the feeling we get when we step into an apoc, zealot or a prophecy.
Yes Lyria, your pain hurts more than anyone else's. Thankyou for pointing that out to us... again.
Taxman IV: Rogue Agent
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Venko Trenulo
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2007.10.24 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kendrix Arathan Edited by: Kendrix Arathan on 24/10/2007 15:23:57
Originally by: vostok from what i can see... drones are getting nerfed because ccp want to stealthily make less lag...
wait wait wait, stop the thread right here..
are you actually asserting that larger drones cause more lag than small drones????
That's not how I read it. My impression is that he's saying with the drone nerfs fewer people will be flying drones, and those that do fly will get fried faster and thus cause less lag in a fleet situation.
That makes a good deal of sense. Fewer people will be flying an Eos or Myrmidon or Ishkur because they've been nerfed into oblivion. Those who are still flying a Dominix or Ishtar or Vexor will find their drones disappearing because of the shield/recall nerf, which in my opinion is the enormous Gallente-in-the-face nerf, because it's across the board. So in this case too the children will be escorted off the street as the battle gets under way. Sure, the Ishkur has room for a few spares, but with the drone nerf they'll get swept off fast also.
Hope this helps you understand the issue.
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Susan Acid
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Posted - 2007.10.24 23:34:00 -
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Edited by: Susan Acid on 24/10/2007 23:38:14 What have they done with the Drone Bandwidth on the Thorax and the Deimos?Can they still field 5 meds?
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Meleia
Satanic Red
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Posted - 2007.10.24 23:44:00 -
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Buhuu... the most overpowered race in the game gets nerfed... buhuu.
Stfu.
"But, the psychiatrist adds that griefers could also just be mentally ill, whether they're depressed, have a psychotic disorder, or substance abuse problems." |

Enthes goldhart
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:35:00 -
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i had no idea about all the drone nerfing going on and am fully agaist it!
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Molah Sol
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Posted - 2007.10.25 00:51:00 -
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It's easy to spot fail topics when the person
A) obviously hasnt flown half the ships they are screaming about
B) complains that the nerfed item is no longer the best (therefore clarifying why it needed to be nerfed.
C) is dumb enough to think that any one ship is the "best" in a game like eve.
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