EVE Search - Rorqual's little brother, the Orca

Check My IP Information

All Channels

Science and Industry

Rorqual's little brother, the Orca

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 [15] 16 17 18 19 .. 19 :: one page

Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 2 post(s)
loki gallach	Posted - 2008.09.01 12:20:00 - [421] Any news yet ??
Tinker1947	Posted - 2008.09.01 12:34:00 - [422] Anybody want a stab at the skills that will be required....for when its released...
Lord Fitz Project Amargosa	Posted - 2008.09.01 13:03:00 - [423] Originally by: Tinker1947 Anybody want a stab at the skills that will be required....for when its released... I'm only semi interested in the skills to fly it, I want to know what will be required to build it :o If it's going to use gates it's not going to require the capital ships skill, at least not directly. Not sure if it works indirectly or not.
Ttochpej	Posted - 2008.09.01 13:24:00 - [424] I have been thinking about this and wont any new mining ship that increases the amount people can mine in the end just make mineral prices fall and mean that decrease that amount you can earn from mining? having a better mining ship does sound better, just I'm hoping it's got better rang, tank, maby spare slots for guns, and a bigger cargo bay, and not increasing amount mined. If this ship was on the test server, and there are models of it does anyone have a link to a picture of it or somthing?
shady trader	Posted - 2008.09.01 18:00:00 - [425] Originally by: Ttochpej I have been thinking about this and wont any new mining ship that increases the amount people can mine in the end just make mineral prices fall and mean that decrease that amount you can earn from mining? having a better mining ship does sound better, just I'm hoping it's got better rang, tank, maby spare slots for guns, and a bigger cargo bay, and not increasing amount mined. If this ship was on the test server, and there are models of it does anyone have a link to a picture of it or somthing? The Orca will not mine directly, its going to be a command ship with some extra's but not the ability to fit strip miners.
Alpha Dorn	Posted - 2008.09.02 13:57:00 - [426] I agree; the Orca will not mine directly. It will be a mining support/Command ship for high-sec. But my guess it that it will be used for that, as well as hauling on a lesser scale than freighters (depending on the size of its cargo hold and the other industrial ship that they have coming out at the same time). But what I would like to see are some more or better command links and implants. Preferably, command links that have a more direct affect on mining yield per cycle and not just a decrease in cycle time. But i'm still wondering how CCP would work ore compression into an Orca and not take away from the Rorqual.
Malganour Deep Space Consortium	Posted - 2008.09.02 16:41:00 - [427] This ship will make corp mining ops run a lot smother and more enjoyable, we are very much looking forward to its arrival. One point people keep making is that if it was to condense the ore it would drive the prices of minerals down, mainly trit, in 0.0. But we seam to be seeing that the cheapest prices for minerals are already in 0.0. Also iam sick of people saying that this game is only about pvp, but i like to think that there is a good amount of industrial corps out there that are helping lower the cost of pvping for those that play eve for it. It is time people as a whole should see that there is more fun to be had by players of eve than those that just what to directly kill others.I am not asking for a easy ride just some credit for what we do. (this part should probably be in a different forum section) so its about time ccp seen the importance of helping those that play this way and giving us the tools to be more productive in so, thus helping pvp be more obtainable to everyone who wishes to do this. P.S isn't it mostly pvp'ers that micro mine with alts to pay for there pvping anyway.
Sciencegeek deathdealer	Posted - 2008.09.02 20:59:00 - [428] THE ORCA IS AN AMAZING IDEA!!!!! The most inportaint part though would be to make it easily accessable to new corps. so keep the cost low say around 150 mill. it should also have some benifit for solo miners cause they dont deserve to just be shunned. i do agree how ever make the skills somewhat of a challenge so that macro miners dont use it. CCP should also think of a better exumer. make it uber expensive but worth it. say at the best lvl, allow them to use 6 strip miners. with a huge carg hold.
Malganour Deep Space Consortium	Posted - 2008.09.03 11:48:00 - [429] I feel it needs to be hard to train for and at least as expensive as a cap ship. But also have some way of aiding its self and the miners defences. P.S remember hulks use to cost more than 500mill at one time so starting it at 150mill would be madness. So is there any more facts out there as to what it would be?
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.03 17:53:00 - [430] Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer THE ORCA IS AN AMAZING IDEA!!!!! The most inportaint part though would be to make it easily accessable to new corps. so keep the cost low say around 150 mill. it should also have some benifit for solo miners cause they dont deserve to just be shunned. i do agree how ever make the skills somewhat of a challenge so that macro miners dont use it. CCP should also think of a better exumer. make it uber expensive but worth it. say at the best lvl, allow them to use 6 strip miners. with a huge carg hold. I'd think that the skill requirements would be more important than cost. Twenty active noobs can get a billion isk together fairly quickly (say within two months), but if it takes six months to train to fly and use that orca correctly, then that's the real obstacle.

Darkeen Gallente	Posted - 2008.09.03 22:31:00 - [431] Originally by: Alpha Dorn But i'm still wondering how CCP would work ore compression into an Orca and not take away from the Rorqual. But since the Rorqual is zero sec and the Orca is high sec they could be the same thing but operate in different areas, thus they dont clash with each other... I'd like to see the Orca be able to compress ore. It would mean that I can mine ores/ice and compress them with the Orca and thus be able to transport ores to other systems. Since I dont have freighter or transport skills I dont find it useful to transport it myself... and I'm not giving my hard mined ore to others to trasnport for me (even with a third party involved - unless its Chribba!) I see this as enabling me to transport ores further afield. It wont affect how I mine, it just makes it easier for me to more the ore...(if compressed!) Regards, Jason Brisbane
Jasonwilliams	Posted - 2008.09.04 02:30:00 - [432] All this talk just kinda makes you wish that the devs or someone would grace us all with information about this little brother.
Cheap Dude	Posted - 2008.09.04 07:52:00 - [433] Who came up with the idea that the Orca is a high-sec mining supporting vessel? I mean.. IF it would be a mining supporting vessel, it can be used in 0.0 also. What I read in the past is that the Orca would be a 'mini freighter' or a 'big transporter' with possible capital tractor beams on it with around 100K cargo.
Makko Gray	Posted - 2008.09.04 16:31:00 - [434] I'm confused by all the people asking for a rediculous sized cargo hold for the orca (many times of the roqual) with odd caveats like it can only hold ore. Sounds like some are just trying to turn it into a freigher. I'm very much in favour of a much smaller cargo bay (half that of the roqual say) and compression - which in effect increases your ore storage capacity and has the bonus that you still get that space bonus when transfering it to a hauler. Drop all the capital ship stuff give it the drone and link bonuses, less shield and armour and a more modest price tag. May not be so good for hulk groups but would be great for the mining groups in retrievers or at the lower end of things. I think the point to remember is that it should have it's drawbacks as well as it's advantages. It shouldn't just give large groups of hulks to spend days in belts without going back to stations .
Fennore	Posted - 2008.09.08 04:26:00 - [435] I found this screen shot of the Orca and its requirements. http://eve-files.com/dl/172435 I'll take 2 please!
Kritinana Minmatar Jackie Treehorn Productions	Posted - 2008.09.08 05:08:00 - [436] Originally by: Fennore I found this screen shot of the Orca and its requirements. http://eve-files.com/dl/172435 I'll take 2 please! 'jump drive operation'. right...........nice try, well not really no.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.09.08 07:35:00 - [437] Originally by: Kritinana Originally by: Fennore I found this screen shot of the Orca and its requirements. http://eve-files.com/dl/172435 I'll take 2 please! 'jump drive operation'. right...........nice try, well not really no. I don't know if the screenshots are real or not, but I gather that the Orca when it first appeared on Sisi, had the same skill requirements to fly (and perhaps to build) as the rorqual. I hope CCP gives us enough warning so that we can train requirements for the Orca before it comes out.
Alpha Dorn	Posted - 2008.09.08 16:33:00 - [438] Originally by: Fennore I found this screen shot of the Orca and its requirements. http://eve-files.com/dl/172435 I'll take 2 please! Ummm, how about no. Nice try though. 3/10
Jasonwilliams	Posted - 2008.09.09 18:24:00 - [439] LOL at the screenie! The Orca apprently has 60,500 more powergrid then the Rorqual. It has a drone bay, but no bandwidth? Same speed as the Rorqual even though it's smaller? Same skill set required as Rorqual? Doesn't show cap recharge time. Same shield cap and recharge rate as Rorqual and higher explosive resis? More EM armor resis then Rorqual? Same volume and mass? That makes no sense and it doesn't even have a packaging amount in the screenie.
quickshot89 Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.09 19:19:00 - [440] Originally by: Jasonwilliams Edited by: Jasonwilliams on 09/09/2008 18:27:52 LOL at the screenie! The Orca apprently has 60,500 more powergrid then the Rorqual. It has a drone bay, but no bandwidth? Same speed as the Rorqual even though it's smaller? Same skill set required as Rorqual? Doesn't show cap amount. Same shield cap and recharge rate as Rorqual and higher explosive resis? More EM armor resis then Rorqual? Same volume and mass? That makes no sense and it doesn't even have a packaging amount in the screenie. yes, becuase the test server always reflects whats gonna happen

Veldya Caldari Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.09.10 09:39:00 - [441] Originally by: Jasonwilliams Edited by: Jasonwilliams on 09/09/2008 18:27:52 LOL at the screenie! The Orca apprently has 60,500 more powergrid then the Rorqual. It has a drone bay, but no bandwidth? Same speed as the Rorqual even though it's smaller? Same skill set required as Rorqual? Doesn't show cap amount. Same shield cap and recharge rate as Rorqual and higher explosive resis? More EM armor resis then Rorqual? Same volume and mass? That makes no sense and it doesn't even have a packaging amount in the screenie. They probably cut n' paste the old Rorqual file and renamed it Orca and just played around with a few settings. I doubt any hard or fast stats will show up for some time.
gordon861 Minmatar PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.09.10 11:22:00 - [442] For skills (if it's a T2 ship), I'd expect them to be similar to the skills for a Command Ship, but instead of Logistics 4 or Assault Ships 4 it would be Exhumer 4. Add the Command Ship skill as well and you have a skillset that would make sense. Originally by: CCP Arkanon I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe.
Jonna Andromedae	Posted - 2008.09.10 11:51:00 - [443] Edited by: Jonna Andromedae on 10/09/2008 11:52:15 There isn't any reason why CCP should BOOST macro mining in high security space. Instead of that they should BOOST lowsec and 0.0 space and make it worth of trying again. You guys do realise that with that kind of ship mineral prices would drop like a ancient japanese kamikaze pilot from 3000 feet to deck of carrier?
shady trader	Posted - 2008.09.10 19:56:00 - [444] Originally by: Jonna Andromedae Edited by: Jonna Andromedae on 10/09/2008 11:52:15 There isn't any reason why CCP should BOOST macro mining in high security space. Instead of that they should BOOST lowsec and 0.0 space and make it worth of trying again. You guys do realise that with that kind of ship mineral prices would drop like a ancient japanese kamikaze pilot from 3000 feet to deck of carrier? It does depend on that other changes they make to the mineral market. For example if they remove non-named tech1 loot from rat and mission drops the amount of minerials being injected into the econamy will be signifincalty effected and mining will have to increase to compansate. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congrated by carebears for the actions.
sativaa canybus	Posted - 2008.09.10 23:30:00 - [445] Macros Macros Macros, this is alwasy everyones complaint. Just because people exsist that expliot does not mean in any way players that don't should not have fun also... I would hate to see any option not given to the real player just because we have no way to deal with people that expliot.
Kalderion Mar	Posted - 2008.09.11 15:19:00 - [446] you know what? I heard about this thread, so I had to back to the forums.. and i regret it. Every freaking thread ive ever seen that had even the slightest hint that it was mining oriented there were idiots spaming all over the place about macro miners.. I dont give a dern about macro miners.... i kil them when i find them.. other that that... they are NOT OUR PEOBLEM! CCP will fix them, it is their problem to deal with, so PLEASE stop using macro miners as an excuse to ruin the fun of others. Macro miners are not an excuse, in any way, shape or form to stop from doing something the miners would like and enjoy. period!!!!!!!!! ok, im done venting. Compression on the Orca wouldnt increase the amount of minerals in highsec. The Orca wont be used as BOTH a hauler and a bonus giver. If you think about it, using it to give your mining gang the bonus, and then jump it out of the system to haul ores to a station??? no, at least not this guy. I would rather have it remain in system for the bonus, and have a hauler or three picking up the ores it compresses and hauling them back. I use the Rorq the same way, the difference is, the rorq sits in a small pos thats expendable, the orca wouldnt need that, and could sit in the belt, actually using its tractors and compression in the way the rorqual was intended. the Orca will make prices drop??? being able to compress ores will make the prices drop??? not hardly.. I used the rorqual many times to compress ores and hauled them to highsec for transportation... ive hauled ores FROM highsec to lowsec, compressed, hauled BACK to highsec for transportation.... if people want to compress their ores they will find a way, the orca will in no way increase the amount of ores that are capable of being mined. bonus you say? no, we can already get the bonus's, the difference is the bonus giver is in a BC or a command ship and is relatively useless.. in the orca he may no longer be useless. The only way the Orca will increase anything we dont al;ready have, is that when it comes out, everyone will want one, then everyone will form mining gangs to play with their new toy.. once the new toy experience is worn off, mining will resume its original course with those people who do, and did it regularly before the release of the rorqual. The Orca should be a Rorqual. Remove the indy bay, and the clone vat bay, as well as the corp hanger, reduce the size slightly so it can gate, thats it, everything else should remain the same. The Rorqual itself is pretty useles when it comes to compression, once you get some ores in it, you quickly find that its a pain in the butt trying to juggle ores and compression bpos etc etc etc etc.. and it fills up in a very VERY short time. haulers running ores TO the Rorqual, and a carrier picking up ores and jumping them to the station... it remains that he rorqual is used as nothing more than a compacter and occasionally a way to get a noob to 0.0 to give the experianced people targets. I think that he Orca will end up the same way, people wil find its best use as a bonus giver/compacter. the only time it will do any hauling will be at the end of the op. I look forward to seeing what CCP decides to do with it.
Jasmit Blane	Posted - 2008.09.12 09:31:00 - [447] Originally by: Kalderion Mar you know what? I heard about this thread, so I had to back to the forums.. and i regret it. Every freaking thread ive ever seen that had even the slightest hint that it was mining oriented there were idiots spaming all over the place about macro miners.. I dont give a dern about macro miners.... i kil them when i find them.. other that that... they are NOT OUR PEOBLEM! CCP will fix them, it is their problem to deal with, so PLEASE stop using macro miners as an excuse to ruin the fun of others. Macro miners are not an excuse, in any way, shape or form to stop from doing something the miners would like and enjoy. period!!!!!!!!! Kalderian... liked the rant and couldn't agree more.
Tinker1947	Posted - 2008.09.12 14:01:00 - [448] I assume the new ship will need to be invented, i have a Alt that can do hulk invention so any guess as to what ship it will be invented from...best buy one while there cheap....
shady trader	Posted - 2008.09.12 18:37:00 - [449] Originally by: Tinker1947 I assume the new ship will need to be invented, i have a Alt that can do hulk invention so any guess as to what ship it will be invented from...best buy one while there cheap.... Since the ship is going to be smaller and have more limitations (cannot jump and no jump clones possible others). I believe that the ship will actually be a tech 1 ship. Also there is some debate about if it will a true capital ship (skill wise) were the Rorqual is. Normally the tech2 version requires the tech1 ships skills in addition to other skills. The only possible ship to invent from would be the Rorquel which is a bigger ship. Macrointel, the place were the nature order of the universe does not hold sway. Pirates and ore thief's are congrated by carebears for the actions.
quickshot89 Caldari	Posted - 2008.09.12 19:09:00 - [450] how do you know it cant jump? for all we know if could be like a JF, but smaller cargo hold but has compression and slots



Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 [15] 16 17 18 19 .. 19 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.