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Ram Celles Gallente Ordo Drakonis	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:57:00 - [751] Originally by: Sgt Zim Originally by: Ailean Caldaire Well CCP, I would say you've screwed the pooch...but I think in this case it is much worse then that. Why would your updater touch my boot.ini? I've now spent three hours in a linux livecd environment to try and rebuild it. Some of us use it to chainload more OSes then just windows you know. I have to say, that if an update can mess my computer up this bad because of your terrible quality control, I'm seriously considering canceling my account. Can I have your stuff let's share his stuff ~ It's howdy doody time kiddies, the bad man is here!
Nolone	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:57:00 - [752] You guys are complete ass-hats. How could you not have ***** tested your install and not seen this. CCP wins the dumb** of the year award.
labellemineuse Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:58:00 - [753] In the company I am working for, this would be classified as an A0 Defect, meaning bad juujuu destructive defect, the kind you never want to see... Why? because that's the kind of defect you will get sued for or have to fork monetary compensation for damages.
Craig Spist	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:58:00 - [754] Can someone confirm that Vista is not affected? I see a boot.ini.saved file but no boot.ini file.
Ram Celles Gallente Ordo Drakonis	Posted - 2007.12.06 14:58:00 - [755] Originally by: Nolone You guys are complete ass-hats. How could you not have ***** tested your install and not seen this. CCP wins the dumb** of the year award. dont get angry over nothing... just a dumb file lol ~ It's howdy doody time kiddies, the bad man is here!
Shodo Deka M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:04:00 - [756] Originally by: Craig Spist Can someone confirm that Vista is not affected? I see a boot.ini.saved file but no boot.ini file. Vista is not affected by this issue, since it does not use a boot.ini file, which is also why you cannot find one if you are running Vista. If you installed Vista by upgrading from XP, the boot.ini file might still be there, but it will not be used by Vista in the boot process.
Shanderley Rialla Minmatar RONA Midgard Academy	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:04:00 - [757] I'm not affected by this issue, lucky me. However I've been thinking about how it could be possible to let something like that slip through QA. And I think it it quite easy to miss a bug like that: The scenario is just too unusual for a tester. You have to have a machine running Windows, that is not installed in the first partition. You have to install the game on the same partition as Windows. You have even think about testing a reboot (as one of the devs mentioned, it's not rare that developer computers are not rebootet very often and run some kind of tests or jobs at night). All in all, it's quite a serious bug, and I don't want to be the one (or better one of those) responsible for it. But I can see how it slipped through their QA, as it is a very unlikely setup for a developer/tester machine. That does not excuse naming a file "boot.ini" to begin with, though... ;) --- There are only 10 kinds of people - those that understand binary and those that don't.
Takahashi Clutch Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:04:00 - [758] This is some interesting news to wake up to. __________
Verity Moya	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:04:00 - [759] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Verity Moya Edited by: Verity Moya on 06/12/2007 15:00:40 I have no idea if anyone covered this already (it's impossible to spot in 30 pages of "why did this happen?" and "am I screwed?")... but I think I have a rare occurance and I have no idea what to do now. I downloaded the content upgrade before 4:00 GMT. I didn't install it, though. So, am I uneffected because I didn't install it... or because I didn't install it YET? It's constantly bugging me to install, whenever I log on. Is it safe or what? Do I need to delete my client? Is there some way to uninstall this thing without deleting the client? I would err on the side of caution and redownload it. By "redownload it" you mean the client? Or the ugrade? If it's the latter, I have no idea how to do that.

CCP Atropos	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:05:00 - [760] Originally by: vanBuskirk Well, CCP has really done it this time. Just what does the QA team do all day? This screwup is completely unacceptable by anyone's standard. I am now rather glad that my home desktop and my laptop both have rubbish graphics cards that won't allow me to run the new version. So, apparently, I am in the clear in both cases. However, I have an issue with the machine at work. I am responsible for administering it, so there is nobody to yell at if things go wrong. I occasionally boot up EVE on it to change skills and so on. Can someone please tell me a few things? If I upgrade to the latest version of Classic will this mess happen? No. Originally by: vanBuskirk Is there a way of getting the machine upgraded to the new graphics without killing the PC? Is, for example, the advice correct about downloading the full Trinity II client instead of the patch? The offending patch has been removed from the network, and as such all new content downloads will not receive this problem. Failing that you can download the full client or just the patch from here. Originally by: vanBuskirk If I patch to the new version of Classic, will the upgrade to the new version with the new graphics start automatically and saturate my internet connection for an hour? If it does is there some way of stopping it? The client allows you to administer the start of the download, and then subsequently the throttling of it. You have to start the client and hit the escape button, or open the settings window. There you will should find options to manipulate the download.

45thTiger 002 The Perfect Storm	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:05:00 - [761] Originally by: Pluvia Procella Originally by: Baulath Everyone use the image in my sig as their sig.. Might send a message to CCP of their players community's upset... Might provoke some action.. Probably just get nerfed.. Silencing the masses is sure to help! Acutally, provoking action is quite easy, silencing the masses will NOT be possible, and compensation will be taken care of. It's called... Class Action Lawsuit. By there admitted programming error they've cause computer problems to thousands of of users. If this were a virus, they'd have the police at their doorstep... Well its gonna be a tough day at CCP head office. If you go to google then news and type in eve online its already up there. I hope they can get through this ok, t-shirts are a good idea. I would wear one proudly. I love Eve Online. Well I really secretly love Eve and pretend she is a real person.
Cousarras	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:06:00 - [762] In all fairness, the error CCP made with the patcher is a lot more subtle than most realize. Telling the patcher "Delete file \"Program Files"\CCP\EVE\boot.ini" would not work. This is because many people, myself included like to install the game to something other than its default directory. "G:\games\eve\" in my case. Thus the correct command to the patcher would have been "Delete file .\boot.ini" The little period there tells the patcher to delete the boot.ini located in the present folder. Without that one character though... well, you know the rest.
Claudius Tiberius Eve Liberation Force Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:07:00 - [763] Who on earth still has floppy disks??? And I love what CCP has done with this upgrade dont get me wrong, but this seriously blows ass. I shut down my computer yesterday and now it won't boot... Great... I see alot of posts regarding fixing the problem when you havent rebooted yet, but I have seen none from CCP stating what to do when you did reboot it and it won't start again. I might be missing it, but can anyone enlighten me?
zeluk Caldari Shades Corp	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:07:00 - [764] Alot of you people are simply being "stupid". Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play. Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making. Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares... If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice. Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations.
Kronus1	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:07:00 - [765] The patch did effect by system I am running XP prof Here is a sample bat file i made to fix my problem. my eve was installed in c:\program files my winXP was installed on C drive. I did install the patch and notice the error after rebooting i know that this may not some of you. but it what i used to get me running @echo off cd c: attrib -s -h -a boot.ini attrib -s -h -a c:\windows\pss\boot.ini.backup copy c:\windows\pss\boot.ini.backup boot.ini attrib +s +h +a boot.ini echo. echo You are done and your Org "Boot.ini" files is restored from backup! echo. pause=5
General M0BIUS Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:08:00 - [766] When you guys figure out who will be the scapegoat, can you please make sure that his ingame charactor is made to have a negative standing with everyplayer in EVE, So when we see him we can all vent our anger at him.
Bone Chu	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:08:00 - [767] Since I booted up all fine this morning and haven't shut down the computer since, but couldn't find a boot.ini, i copied these lines into a notepad window and saved as a boot.ini under C root directory: [boot loader] timeout=30 default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS [operating systems] multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect will this averse a failing at reboot, since now my startup and recovery settings show up normally without the boot.ini not found warning? ALSO, where was the msconfig with boot.ini tab located again?
Barnicle Bob	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:08:00 - [768] If you cannot boot / start your machine, THIS WORKED: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/ You will need a recovery disk, however, it does not need to be from your machine, borrow or use one from another machine, neighbor, or friend. In this case I have multiple machines with XP. The recovery disk was from another machine but the repair worked great. CCP EVE Dev Team: Best wishes. Sh*t happens.
Somerled MacDhommal Gallente	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 - [769] Originally by: Cousarras In all fairness, the error CCP made with the patcher is a lot more subtle than most realize. Telling the patcher "Delete file \"Program Files"\CCP\EVE\boot.ini" would not work. This is because many people, myself included like to install the game to something other than its default directory. "G:\games\eve\" in my case. Thus the correct command to the patcher would have been "Delete file .\boot.ini" The little period there tells the patcher to delete the boot.ini located in the present folder. Without that one character though... well, you know the rest. True, its a fairly easy problem to make. As a unix admin, i've seen cases where people have done a rm -rf / home/username. But that little space there makes all the difference in the world. HOWEVER, this is why there is quality control and testing procedures. Normaly reboots should not be part of this sort of testing procedures, because the game devs should not expect to be making modifications to the OS. But as you can see, they made one. A new testing procedure needs to include rebooting all development machines on a daily/weekly basis.
45thTiger 002 The Perfect Storm	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 - [770] Originally by: zeluk Alot of you people are simply being "stupid". Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play. Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making. Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares... If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice. Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations. If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ?
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 - [771] Originally by: Kronarty Edited by: Kronarty on 06/12/2007 14:56:13 I think the question most people are going to ask next is: Who gets fired over this incredible **up? Heads roll in serious businesses over less important stuff. I mean, it's kinda hard not to detect this monumental screwup. It's not like it only manifests itself if you do something strange and esoteric... Oh wait! you will blame some poor volunteer because you use amateurs for QA Firing someone for a bug is an immature decision on ANY busines. Dropping a valuable team member because he made a mistake is the type of practice that leads companies to disaster. No serious software development manager would fire anyone unless was on purpose. Even if it was a much serious problem, like something that caused a reactor meltdown. Mistakes happen and ALL company is responsible for them. Sometiems even when you follow all the company guidelines and rules, ** happens. If someone is guilty its microsoft for making such NOOB mistake of leaving system critical files within reach of other program installation proccess. If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
carbonated softdrink	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 - [772] Edited by: carbonated softdrink on 06/12/2007 15:15:04 Im one of those who installed before 4am. My boot.ini file disappeared but i restarted correctly although the only thing i get is the splash screen of new eve trinity and nothing else comes up. And so, i re-download again, re-installed it, upgrade every possible driver, disabled sound, clean the registry files, de-activated the firewall, but still nothing came up after the splash screen. And so i created a new boot.ini, un-installed eve, re-download the "suspected" fix, installed it, reboot, and still i get the friking splash screen and that's about it. By the way, this happen to me in Classic (which was suppposed to work fine, as some say) , Upgrade and premium. And got Win XP professional running. So, now what???
petergriffen Amarr Dufrene Holdings. INC	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 - [773] once again... I installed the patch last night immediately after the server became available again. Thankfully I never shut down my computer. I'm capable of restoring my boot.ini file without all of the guides, but I appreciate all of the good information to those who aren't so computer literate. The only question I have has to do with RAID setups. I've never had to restore a boot.ini file on a RAID 0 setup, and I'm wondering if there is anything in the file that has to do with RAID in general, i.e loading the RAID driver on startup, or is that handled elsewhere? Before people jump on me and scream 'READ THE THREAD!' I've gone through about 18 pages so far and have only seen questions about it, but no answers.
Tia Destantia	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:10:00 - [774] wow i think this is the first time i've seen a game fubar an OS. I guess no one restarts their computers at ccp. I'm really glad i typically don't restart my computer as i'm likely hit by this issue based on what i'm reading. So from what i'm seeing if you have windows installed on your primary partition it's a simple couple of lines in the file. I do think that ccp should do something for some of the users. Not everyone would come to the website or has the know how to fix this issue on their own, especially if they restarted.
Mourn Navarre Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:10:00 - [775] Huh. I didn't have this problem at all when I downloaded and installed the patch and I definitely got it before 4am.
zeluk Caldari Shades Corp	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:11:00 - [776] Originally by: 45thTiger 002 Originally by: zeluk Alot of you people are simply being "stupid". Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play. Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making. Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares... If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice. Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations. If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ? Il do it when i next need to reboot. It isnt a necessity to drop everything and do it right away.
midge Mo'yb R.U.S.T. Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:12:00 - [777] http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q310994 i dont have a fdd to test this but im pretty sure these disks have the recovery console on em for people without xp cds -----------------------------------------------
45thTiger 002 The Perfect Storm	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:12:00 - [778] Originally by: zeluk Originally by: 45thTiger 002 Originally by: zeluk Alot of you people are simply being "stupid". Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play. Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making. Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares... If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice. Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations. If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ? Il do it when i next need to reboot. It isnt a necessity to drop everything and do it right away. Your scared to reboot just like all of us :p
Lemurianus	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:13:00 - [779] Originally by: Lemurianus Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 15:12:33 Originally by: Lemurianus Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 14:51:26 Well, my boot ini looks fine, the boot.ini contents are equal to those written in this thread... But I found a problem I didnt have before this patch. Yes, I updated eve client before 4am. Its just that, now, when I insert a cd on my dvd-rom drive, it plays for a few seconds and then PC crashes, doesnt reboot, just crashes. Tried to do the same procedure four time, all the same. Was playing an avi file (one of the ones downloaded from this site), opened it on Windows Media Player and also on BSPlayer. Both made the PC crash. Any ideas on how to solve this problem? P.S.- its not the optical drive at all. Just crashed again without any particular reason. Is there any other way to bump this? Has anyone complained about the same issue before? bump
Cousarras	Posted - 2007.12.06 15:13:00 - [780] Edited by: Cousarras on 06/12/2007 15:13:36 Originally by: petergriffen I've never had to restore a boot.ini file on a RAID 0 setup, and I'm wondering if there is anything in the file that has to do with RAID in general, i.e loading the RAID driver on startup, or is that handled elsewhere? That's handled with the multi(0) I believe. The MS KB says that that is also valid for "SCSI controllers needing their own BIOS drivers" without mentioning anything about linking to the drivers within the boot.ini. As far as windows is concerned a RAID 0 setup is basically the same as a SCSI controller needing its own BIOS driver.

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