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CCP Pete
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:19:00 -
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Please do not reboot your computer until you have read this.
(Note that Windows Vista is not affected)
If you are only using the Classic client or installed the Premium client using the full Premium installer than you are not affected.
If you upgraded from the Classic client to the Premium client, using the content upgrade, then please read on.
Check the root directory of your hard drive and see if you have a boot.ini file, if so then you are not affected. The file is normally hidden so you need to click Tools : Folder Options : View and select "Show hidden files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" to be able to see it.
You can also check for the presence of this file by clicking Start : Control Panel : System : Advanced : Startup and Recovery : Settings (third button down). Windows will alert you if the boot.ini file is missing.
If there is no file then please read the following articles:
Microsoft Articles
Contents of a sample boot.ini:
 Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect
More information can also be found here.
We are working on a solution for this and will have more information as soon as it's ready.
We apologise for this and are working as best we can to find a solution.
Sharkbait
Eve Online Development Team
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Ceptacemia
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:37:00 -
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- Removed as It was not true and could cause confusion on the issue. - CCP Lingorm
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari
Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:38:00 -
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Add this to the motd, and spam it ingame too, make sure people know to fix this problem
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voogru
Gallente
Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
Nope.
I'm Windows XP Pro SP2 and my boot.ini was obliberated.
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TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
I can confirm that this is not true. The bug affects all versions of XP.
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Krows
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
Not true, I have SP2 and my boot.ini was missing. Thank god I checked vent before I turned the computer off tonight or else I'd have lost all my illicit documents.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari
White Shadow Imperium
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:39:00 -
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64-bit works.
Epic lolz.
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"It's a good day to die!"
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Pepperami
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
I have sp2 and it effected me, are you sure you weren't installing the full client or something?
A-WAR might be Recruiting!
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nonamenoname
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
Are you guys running Media Center Edition? I'm running that and I've been immune.
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VossKarr
Caldari
The 6th Directorate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:43:00 -
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I find this an easier suggestion:
Quote:
If you installed the premium patch and didnt reboot yet there's an easy fix.
1. Locate your "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss .
2. Copy it to your desktop.
3. Delete the ".backup" extension so teh file is named "boot.ini"
4. Copy your brand new shiny boot.ini to your root directory. (in most cases c:\)
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Typo91
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:48:00 -
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if your primary boot is raid array and your computer doesn't have floody or CD-ROM like me then you are really puckkerd.
I am working on a USB boot XP recovery now.
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Tyrantus
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:55:00 -
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 Whoa. I'm glad I decided to delete the old client and download the full premium and start from scratch!
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Eevul Rabbite
Lunch Money Millionaires
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:56:00 -
[13]
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
As others have already said, this is NOT TRUE. All versions of NT/2k/XP/2003 are affected. However, you're "immune" to this bug if you have EVE installed on a different drive/partition than the system.
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SurfinSeaOtter Remade
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:57:00 -
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I been saying it.... I been saying it for months.... get vista, it's great! Then I get insulted and made fun of... now who's laughing? 
Surfin's Plunderbunny's alt... remake of 1st char that lost his life to drunken rage |
Vorge
Caldari
Astropolitan Front
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:57:00 -
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I read the sticky about the safe way to install EVE to avoid the boot.ini deletion, however I'm confused on specifically which way it is.
Do I download "Classic Graphics Content" and then download "Upgrade from Classic to Premium" or do I just download "Premium Graphics Content" ????
plz help
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Mortania
Minmatar
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:57:00 -
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I did a cursory search through the thread and didn't find this mentioned, so here goes...
If you have SATA hard drives, your XP CD (or 98 bootdisk) will NOT recognize the hard drive until you go into the bios and turn off AHCI mode for the SATA configuration.
Then you can follow the MS instructions on how to rebuild your boot.ini with bootcfg.
After you're finished with the CD you can go back into your bios and re-enable the ACHI mode.
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Tenshiin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:57:00 -
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I would be curious to know how this ... huh ... blunder happened.
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RisenPhoenix
Vendetta Underground
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.12.06 06:58:00 -
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Shoop CCP you really messed up this time thank god I never restart my computer if I did I would be canceling my subscription over your virus patch ruining my compy
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:00:00 -
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For the record, I DON'T have a boot.ini file and rebooted fine...no idea why, but it worksed. Still plan on fixing it though.
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ThunderGodThor
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:01:00 -
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Using the full Preimum client installer is NOT safe.
As posted here.
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Stoned Celt
Bloodnok Technologies
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:02:00 -
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Mine gave the boot.ini error message and then used a boot.ini it had apparently saved in the windows directory...
Glad it did, otherwise I would have been buggered, sitting here wondering wtf had happened. 
"I told you I was ill" - Epitaph on Spike Milligan's Tombstone.
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Vandalias
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:04:00 -
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System Restore worked for me in XP.
Go to Start -> Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> System Restore
From there select a restore point prior to applying the Trinity path. Note however that this will most likely kill you EVE installation thus requiring a download of the full client, but it should at least fix the boot.ini problem. This may also delete any personal files created between the last restore point and now so it may not be the best option.
For the record, installing the full version of the premium graphics client (EVE_premium_Setup_45017.exe) did not delete my boot.ini file while applying the premium graphics patch from the classic client did.
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Thundercat Doom
Minmatar
Melissa Jumpclones INC
Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:06:00 -
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Edited by: Thundercat Doom on 06/12/2007 07:06:56
They really effed up this time. Hopefully those who didnt know about this can get their computers going without any problems. I really hope CCP has a reimbursement plan for those who needed to take their computer in for service to get it working properly again. I will lose alot of respect for CCP if they don't reimburse those who might be affected and had to pay to get their computers fixed.
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:06:00 -
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You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
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Above comments are my personal views
Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
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Tiberius Xavier
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:06:00 -
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- Start notepad (from accessories)
- Open the file C:\boot.ini
- If this file is not empty, then STOP!
- If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
- If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
- Save that as C:\boot.ini
- Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
- Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
- Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
I was concerned about RAID, however, I believe that the RAID driver is loaded prior to this BOOT.INI being read, and that the RAID array will be viewed as a logical device. I run RAID-0 Raptors, and this solution works for me.
If you don't know which version of windows you are running:
- Open the start menu
- Right-click My Computer
- Select Properties and the screen that comes should say in plain English.
If you don't know your partition, then best way to make sure you select the right drive in XP is to start diskmgmt.msc and see which partition is your 'C' drive.
- Type in diskmgmt.msc <enter>
- A new window titled 'Disk Management' and see which drive/partition it is under. Most likely, this is the first disk, first partition or multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) in MSFT speak. If it is the second partition, then put '2'. This is a 1 based count (perhaps because the MBR is 0?)
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Haakelen
Gallente
United Forces
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lazarann
For the record, I DON'T have a boot.ini file and rebooted fine...no idea why, but it worksed. Still plan on fixing it though.
Same. Replaced the boot.ini and it's working fine now.
[ 2007.12.06 03:05:25 ] (combat) EVE Online belonging to CCP strikes you perfectly, wrecking your computer. |
Androminus Prime
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:07:00 -
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thank you for finally issuing an official statement CCP
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: TheDevilsJury
There's an error in your Player News Center announcement. In step 6 of the instructions on how to replace boot.ini, typing "C:\" doesn't work to change your directory. You must type "cd c:\" instead.
Sorry about that, fingers were flying and I omitted the directory change. The news item has been taken care of.
kieron
Director of Community Relations, EVE Online
EVE Online, CCP Games
Email/Netfang
Look ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait... |
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Mirirar
Solstice Systems Development Concourse
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:15:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Pete
Please do not reboot your computer until you have read this.
That's some great QA there, Lou.
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Hitachi Morimoto
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:15:00 -
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Hmm... for some reason a few of my cpus restarted fine without boot.ini.
Eh. i wonder if the boot.ini file that EVE uses is related to this in any way.
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DirtyHarry
Caldari
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:15:00 -
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Edited by: DirtyHarry on 06/12/2007 07:17:08
CCP what about those with multiple boot systems? what are you going to suggest for them? the solution you gave there only applies to those who have 1 operating system installed on their PC and that that operating system is on the "default" location that windows puts it in, and not an extra partition.
Those with multiple boot systems, my first advice would be to use system restore if you have it. If that fails you will have to manually create the boot.ini file like the dev said in the original post, HOWEVER you will also have to add in your extra windows installs, this is by adding extra lines of code with the location of the extra installs disks rdisks and partitions.
Also those who will suggest using recovery console and bootcfg /rebuild , that isn't realistic as many people wont have their windows CDs be it through piracy or preloaded systems from companies. On top of that when it scans for windows installs its a possibility it wont find extra installs for those multibooters thus them having to do it manually (i had this prob myself).
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000492.htm < for the multibooters who are stuck, that may at least help you understand what the stuff in the boot.ini file is so you can add in the extra detail for your other installs.
ps: prepare for the storm tomorrow ccp when people arrive home from work and switch on their PCs 
edit: made link clicky
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Kendar Zek
Gallente
Interstellar Aid Society
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:16:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
That is false. I run my games from another partition, and my boot.ini is missing.
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Owner, Venture Racing Team
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Arctulias
Amarr
Vogon Deconstruction Fleet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:16:00 -
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Edited by: Arctulias on 06/12/2007 07:21:25
For those saying I can't find my boot.ini, it is a hidden system file.
Go to start -> run -> cmd
Type
find "" C:\boot.ini
If its there it should read something like
---------- C:\BOOT.INI
If its not there it should say
File not found - C:\boot.ini
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wolfgarrr
Caldari
Venom Warriors
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:17:00 -
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Welp... As a Sirmoll would say "We didn't want that Boot.ini anyways"
This is a pretty serius screwup CCP.. Are you trying to give us a hint?
I.E We don't really want you playing our game so here is a patch to make sure you don't ever play it again..
How something like this could be missed by quality controll is beyond me.
Chalk up another negative mark on your record CCP.
Im just glad i caught this before shutin down my system.. I am sure your going to have LOTS of people online tomorrow ((After they have to fix their computers)) screaming about this.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Thicky McThick
Has anyone asked the hamsters yet?
Don't be silly, the hamsters are animals, they can't speak.
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Kravick Drasari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: VossKarr
I find this an easier suggestion:
Quote:
If you installed the premium patch and didnt reboot yet there's an easy fix.
1. Locate your "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss .
2. Copy it to your desktop.
3. Delete the ".backup" extension so teh file is named "boot.ini"
4. Copy your brand new shiny boot.ini to your root directory. (in most cases c:\)
This worked for me. Also, the part about windows service pack 2 is wrong. It nuked my boot.ini. When I right click the "My Computer" icon and hit properties it says this:
System:
Microsoft Windows XP
Professional
Version 2002
Service Pack 2
My boot.ini definately got nuked. Thanks for the infos VossKarr. Save me a lot of time.
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Neal Cassady
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:18:00 -
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so if i already rebooted my machine am i screwed?
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Alitha Maru
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Alitha Maru on 06/12/2007 07:19:10
I am running Windows XP and Windows Vista, dualboot. I was in Vista when I upgraded last night before I went to bed. I obviously did not check boot.ini before I went to work because I was a bit in a hurry. But the machine is still on at home. Also, EVE is installed on a partition than both XP and Vista.
The XP partition is the first one, then comes the Vista partition which I was in when I upgraded. Am I affected when I get home (?)
I see boot.ini's for one partition, but how would I write one if I have two like this? 
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Drymorvor
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Drymorvor on 06/12/2007 07:23:01
This boot.ini problem only affects u if u downloaded the grafic-update, right?. 'cuz i only downloaded the contents package!
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TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:20:00 -
[39]
Edited by: TheDevilsJury on 06/12/2007 07:23:32
Originally by: Neal Cassady
so if i already rebooted my machine am i screwed?
If it rebooted sucessfully you were not affected.
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Red Panda
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:20:00 -
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For Dell users with a hidden restore partition You may use this boot.ini :
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
Notice the "partition(2)" instead of "partition(1)"
Change the "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" if you have a Home edition or a media Center Edition
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:20:00 -
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Originally by: Neal Cassady
so if i already rebooted my machine am i screwed?
Don't think so. I'm on my laptop right now, which has no boot.ini, and has been rebooted, so as long as you can get in Windows, you should be ok.
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Yon89
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:22:00 -
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have they fixed this problem yet.
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Neal Cassady
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:23:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Neal Cassady
so if i already rebooted my machine am i screwed?
Don't think so. I'm on my laptop right now, which has no boot.ini, and has been rebooted, so as long as you can get in Windows, you should be ok.
um i can't im on a different computer.
this is really making me want to quit this damn game. and before you ask for my stuff im putting it in a bunch of unlocked cans in amamake 3-1.
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Alexiares
Caldari
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:25:00 -
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Edited by: Alexiares on 06/12/2007 07:24:50
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Tucan SonOfSam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:25:00 -
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Ok, two things.
1) This guy " Originally by: Kittamaru
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JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!"-----------------------------------------------------------
was obviously trying to mislead people to get them to ruin their computers and should have his account deleted. Saying that you can your corpmates have "tested" it is complete BS. His ass should be suspended.
2) Your quality control people should all be fired. This is a huge **** up on your part CCP and you've shown that while you may have come up with a sweet game your company lacks a commitment to ensure the quality of your product. "Oh look it looks real nice, but it might destroy your operating system!" I personally am ****ed off. If there ends up being a class action lawsuit or whatnot due to negligence count me in. Unbelievable this crap.
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TestDude1
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:26:00 -
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That is unbelieveable. If my system would have got fragged by this and I had to go hunting for a floppy drive and for that matter, a diskette, I'd have been fit to be tied. |
TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:26:00 -
[47]
Edited by: TheDevilsJury on 06/12/2007 07:27:13
Originally by: Neal Cassady
Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Neal Cassady
so if i already rebooted my machine am i screwed?
Don't think so. I'm on my laptop right now, which has no boot.ini, and has been rebooted, so as long as you can get in Windows, you should be ok.
um i can't im on a different computer.
this is really making me want to quit this damn game. and before you ask for my stuff im putting it in a bunch of unlocked cans in amamake 3-1.
Since it did not reboot sucessfully, you need to use your windows disk to restore your boot.ini file. There are instructions in an announcement in the Player News Center item. The instructions for those who rebooted are at the bottom, after clicking "Read more".
Quote:
For users who have rebooted their computers after installing the Classic to Premium patch:
Boot from your OS cd and follow the directions to start Recovery Console. You must be logged in as the machine's local administrator.
Choose the corresponding number asked of you for your OS is on, normally its #1 Then type:
- Attrib -H -R -S C:\Boot.ini
- DEL C:\Boot.ini
- BootCfg /Rebuild
- Fixboot
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Drymorvor
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:26:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Arctulias
Edited by: Arctulias on 06/12/2007 07:21:25
For those saying I can't find my boot.ini, it is a hidden system file.
Go to start -> run -> cmd
Type
find "" C:\boot.ini
If its there it should read something like
---------- C:\BOOT.INI
If its not there it should say
File not found - C:\boot.ini
ppheww, it found the BOOT.ini....IM NOT SCREWED! yes...
/me is happy
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Tucan SonOfSam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:27:00 -
[49]
*and corpmates not can corpmates
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Entyce
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:28:00 -
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I am running Windows XP Pro... I ran a system restore, and restored my system to an earlier point. Solved my problem.
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Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Elite
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:29:00 -
[51]
Aww you deleted my humour post! damn you ccp..
Yeah, god job nerfing XP users btw.
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Tango Sokolov
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:29:00 -
[52]
Here is why restarting your computer even with a nuked boot.ini works:
If you have edited nothing after your boot.ini was killed, and you restart, Windows will choke while trying to find the file and call to the backup. It replaces the file on it's own. I AM NOT SAYING GO RESTART YOUR COMPUTER.
I however, am on a boot camped MacBook Pro, and am now screwed. Very very screwed.
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Hitachi Morimoto
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:31:00 -
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Ok, guys, quit flaming. It seems like an honest mistake, and one that they are trying to fix. nothing's gonna completely work, especially after a massive rehaul like this.
Devs, i discovered something interesting. When i did a search for boot.ini in my C:\ drive, i came across a couple of boot.ini files in several of EVE online's system files. I took no notice, as panic of losing my work computer overrode suspicion. after installing the premium client (the full not the patch), i looked again and lo and behold, no boot.ini files except the windows one.
Two questions:
1: Did the old version of eve use a boot.ini for anything? I suspect not, but finding one in your core files was kind of wierd.
2: did you overhaul the entire game as to not use it? it would make sense that such a file would be left behind in a patched version. maybe that's what is causing the problem.
Just a hypothesis. I'm not a system wiz, i just notice things.
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Sinnbad Mayhem
Amarr
Suicidal Mercenaries
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:31:00 -
[54]
another option for those who already rebooted is to slave the drive to another system and copy the boot.ini file over manually |
Jaguar Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
Blood Alliance of Dragons
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:32:00 -
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i'm running windows xp pro x64. installed through patch. to premium. after 10 mins in game. windows crashed to blue screen for a memory dump. which forced me to reboot. i noticed the error but pc did reboot and logged back into eve. logged back out after a while and played another game and that other game is freezing up alot.
my problem is that i don't understand all this fixing stuff, like how to get pc to boot from cd-drive then go through all of the fixes.
even the dev has posted he has made an error on how to fix it.
so what is the fixes? i read the ms fixes and its not the same as what the dev's here are saying. i have no idea of this type of stuff. your talking about stuff i have never done or have any idea of how to do it even with your notes.
so the only way i have any idea of how to get this taken care of. is pay ms tech support the 50 or 60 dollars to chat with them over the telephone to have them talk me through the fix..
THANKS ALOT CCP
YEA 1 MORE THING
thanks for changing the onyx from caracal to moa, i was all setup with 4 caracal bpo's making bpc's for over 2 months, bought alot of caldari decryptors too.
now thats all waisted.
you fracking jerks
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King Aires
Amarr
Dragonian Freelancers
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:34:00 -
[56]
Confirmed or denied that having two harddrives with WXP on C and eve on D makes this not effect me? I have heard both that I would be screwed, and multi drive systems are ok...
The views expressed above are not those of my corp or an expression of where my corp stands.
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Mineshafft
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:34:00 -
[57]
Here is what I did, I was able to boot from C:\windows
First I did a system restore to a prior point Start/Accessories/system tools
I Copied my boot.ini from that time
I emailed my Boot Ini to myself as an attachment
I undid my system restore
I downloaded my attached boot ini to desktop
I opened My Computer/C: and dragged the boot.ini file
Everything works fine and the eve doesn't need to be re downloaded
Hope this helps
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Odeweaver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:34:00 -
[58]
my corp mates are going to be ****ed alot logged prior to the info going out, hopefully it doesn't happen to the corp leader or anyone else that wasn't on tonight
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Kinzki
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:35:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Kendar Zek
Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
That is false. I run my games from another partition, and my boot.ini is missing.
same here, i using also different partions, i think i wait and download the patch when its avaible over the launcher again.
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Neal Cassady
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:36:00 -
[60]
Originally by: TheDevilsJury
Edited by: TheDevilsJury on 06/12/2007 07:27:13
Originally by: Neal Cassady
Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Neal Cassady
so if i already rebooted my machine am i screwed?
Don't think so. I'm on my laptop right now, which has no boot.ini, and has been rebooted, so as long as you can get in Windows, you should be ok.
um i can't im on a different computer.
this is really making me want to quit this damn game. and before you ask for my stuff im putting it in a bunch of unlocked cans in amamake 3-1.
Since it did not reboot sucessfully, you need to use your windows disk to restore your boot.ini file. There are instructions in an announcement in the Player News Center item. The instructions for those who rebooted are at the bottom, after clicking "Read more".
yeah i lost my xp disk ages ago. any other options?
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:36:00 -
[61]
I tried the method of replacing boot.ini with the boot.ini backup file from C:\Windows\pss, and it worked fine on my laptop.
However, on my PC, the backup file doesn't exist.
Also, I realize this sucks, but in my own opinion, some people need to calm down.
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CitzNo 097864
Rens 911
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:37:00 -
[62]
Well I for one am canceling my subscription after this one.
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Gerome Doutrande
Rue Morgue
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:39:00 -
[63]
People who only have a vendor specific Win XP recovery CD (in my case that CD only allows me to "restore factory settings", i.e. it would format everything) may want to take extra precautions. A typo in your boot.ini may prevent you from accessing your disk, the same may be true if you use a replacement nt kernel loader (for example for custom boot screens), or have several partitions.
I tried using a "standard" boot.ini, and was no longer able to boot from my disk. As a precaution for this case you could make a set of boot floppy disks if you have a drive for those, make a bootable cd, or a bootable usb stick (http://www.student.livjm.ac.uk/cmpsgoos/usb_bootdrive_guide.htm for how to make a bootable usb stick). If you create a DOS bootable medium, you may need additional software on your boot medium to access NTFS file systems (http://www.free-av.com/antivirclassic/avira_ntfs4dos.html).
In my case, deleting the boot.ini from DOS allowed me to boot from the hard disk again.
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Deathcharge
Minmatar
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:39:00 -
[64]
hey ccp.... ya know... evebt.ini could've worked just as fine ;)
at least this way you get an error cuz of conflict in file path
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Prince Sallerus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:39:00 -
[65]
This is the kind of mistake that makes a company CEO ask, very seriously, "who let this happen?"
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:40:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Pilk on 06/12/2007 07:40:12
Ack, CCP deleted the post to which I was replying.
Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. |
Rakeris
Brethren Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:40:00 -
[67]
Well mine got deleted and i rebooted, but all you have to do is make another you can do it without even booting windows. Just use your XP CD and do the repair prompt and have it build another boot.ini
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Kendar Zek
Gallente
Interstellar Aid Society
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:40:00 -
[68]
If you have not already rebooted your computer, be sure the file is definitely missing by following the following steps:
Open My Computer from desktop
Navigate to C:
From the menu bar at the top, select Tools > Folder Options
Select the View tab
Uncheck "Hide Protected Operating System Files"
Click OK
This will allow you to see boot.ini if it is there in the root directory. If it is not, try the following:
Click Start
Select Run
Type msconfig
Select the BOOT.INI tab
Use this tool to scan for installed operating systems and boot structure, and it should create a proper boot.ini for you.
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Owner, Venture Racing Team
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:42:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Kendar Zek
If you have not already rebooted your computer, be sure the file is definitely missing by following the following steps:
Open My Computer from desktop
Navigate to C:
From the menu bar at the top, select Tools > Folder Options
Select the View tab
Uncheck "Hide Protected Operating System Files"
Click OK
This will allow you to see boot.ini if it is there in the root directory. If it is not, try the following:
Click Start
Select Run
Type msconfig
Select the BOOT.INI tab
Use this tool to scan for installed operating systems and boot structure, and it should create a proper boot.ini for you.
If you're boot.ini file is gone, the boot.ini tab is not there.
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Galvatr0n
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:42:00 -
[70]
Originally by: CitzNo 097864
Well I for one am canceling my subscription after this one.
Can you contract me all your stuff and give me all your money?
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akakjs
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:42:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Prince Sallerus
This is the kind of mistake that makes a company CEO ask, very seriously, "who let this happen?"
I'd like to add "Why is the installer even touching my system files!?!" as well...
akakjs
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:43:00 -
[72]
Originally by: Kendar Zek
If you have not already rebooted your computer, be sure the file is definitely missing by following the following steps:
Open My Computer from desktop
Navigate to C:
From the menu bar at the top, select Tools > Folder Options
Select the View tab
Uncheck "Hide Protected Operating System Files"
Click OK
This will allow you to see boot.ini if it is there in the root directory. If it is not, try the following:
Click Start
Select Run
Type msconfig
Select the BOOT.INI tab
Use this tool to scan for installed operating systems and boot structure, and it should create a proper boot.ini for you.
Hmm, I'm on Windows XP Pro SP2, and on mine, a boot.ini tab doesn't even display on msconfig if the file isn't present in C:\. Yours autogenerates a boot.ini if it's not present? Neat!
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Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. |
Dorian 13
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:43:00 -
[73]
hahahahahahaha! I was such an avid hater of vista! I love you vista! And btw, Trinity premium is simply beautiful!
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Galvatr0n
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:45:00 -
[74]
Originally by: akakjs
Originally by: Prince Sallerus
This is the kind of mistake that makes a company CEO ask, very seriously, "who let this happen?"
I'd like to add "Why is the installer even touching my system files!?!" as well...
akakjs
I second that motion. Why is CCP touching my system files?
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:46:00 -
[75]
Originally by: akakjs
Originally by: Prince Sallerus
This is the kind of mistake that makes a company CEO ask, very seriously, "who let this happen?"
I'd like to add "Why is the installer even touching my system files!?!" as well...
akakjs
Because CCP has a "boot.ini" in the root of their install folder. The installer programmer almost certainly intended to delete
boot.ini
but instead deleted
\boot.ini
It's a silly mistake, and easy to make (especially when pressured by 200,000 users who want to get back to their Veld roids as quickly as possible, despite the fact that you're changing a great deal of the programming of the world's largest gaming supercomputer), but still, obviously, quite deadly.
--P
Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. |
Arctulias
Amarr
Vogon Deconstruction Fleet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:46:00 -
[76]
Someone made a typo trying to reset the eve boot.ini file. This isn't some conspiracy theory.
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:49:00 -
[77]
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 06/12/2007 07:49:39
If you have a missing boot.ini here is another solution.
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
Copy the above code into notepad and save it to "c:\boot.ini"
Start > Run "msconfig"
Go to the boot.ini tab and click "Check all boot paths"
This will then go down the list and check each of the lines to see if it is valid for you.
You will get a popup telling you if any of the lines is Invalid and asking if you want to remove it. Click yes.
At the end of all the popups you should be left with a working boot.ini
msconfig WILL NOT rebuild your boot.ini if you do not have one. It will only validate you exsisting boot.ini
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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Big Zulu
Minmatar
Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:49:00 -
[78]
So if my EVE folder is located on another drive than C:\ i should be okay to opgrade to premium?
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Ceptacemia
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:50:00 -
[79]
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
I have sp2 and it effected me, are you sure you weren't installing the full client or something?
I'm 100% sure... I deliberately tried this on a separate machine (we have over a half dozen working Pc's in my household... go figure right?) and it worked fine. XP SP 2 does NOT allow the deletion of the boot.ini file. And even if it is deleted, it stores a backup that it will load instead.
Either that or my PC has self evolved somehow... :P
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Kendar Zek
Gallente
Interstellar Aid Society
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:51:00 -
[80]
Edited by: Kendar Zek on 06/12/2007 07:51:49
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
msconfig WILL NOT rebuild your boot.ini if you do not have one. It will only validate you exsisting boot.ini
Ooops... my mistake on that. Sorry, folks.
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Owner, Venture Racing Team
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:52:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Big Zulu
So if my EVE folder is located on another drive than C:\ i should be okay to opgrade to premium?
Better not risk it, you can just download the full premium client and install that instead, it doesn't play around with your boot.ini
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Will theWeasel
Shiva
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:53:00 -
[82]
Well it seems this was on the test server as well. I have as of yet not downloaded the prem content on my main eve install. I have however installed the prem stuff on the sisi install last night, and had yet not rebooted.
I guess that perhaps the stuff on the test server changed a bit between test and live, not a good idea. Makes testing invalid.
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Artean
Minmatar
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:53:00 -
[83]
Hilarious, and what a refreshing start to this morning!
First time ever I'm happy being a Vista user.
So, those this qualify as a trojan or a virus?
........
When ever in doubt; troll.
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:53:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Kittamaru
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
I have sp2 and it effected me, are you sure you weren't installing the full client or something?
I'm 100% sure... I deliberately tried this on a separate machine (we have over a half dozen working Pc's in my household... go figure right?) and it worked fine. XP SP 2 does NOT allow the deletion of the boot.ini file. And even if it is deleted, it stores a backup that it will load instead.
Either that or my PC has self evolved somehow... :P
Service Pack 2 is irrelevant. I have a PC with XP Home and a laptop with XP Pro, both with SP2 and both lost their boot.ini
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Viper's Venom
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:53:00 -
[85]
ok iv read about 3 pages of this boot.ini mess-up and just wanted to make shore be for i reboot, iv got a file called BOOT.INI and in it is
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
is this right ?
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:53:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Neal Cassady
yeah i lost my xp disk ages ago. any other options?
Use some Linux LiveCD distribution. Most of them allow to mount and edit NTFS partitions. You will have to manually create and edit boot.ini file but it should work.
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Navick
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:54:00 -
[87]
As stated (in greater detail) in my thread on the Test Forum...
I run a MacBook Pro with Boot Camp, and got hit with this issue early today before the information about it came to light. On reboot, my OS was so borked that I had to delete my Boot Camp partition and repartition to reinstall windows... only to find out that I couldn't repartition because my Root had somehow been set to Invisible.
A couple hours of searching and some Terminal crunching later, I fixed my hard drive problem, only to find out that I still can't reinstall Windows because my CD-ROM drive no longer works.
Needless to say, my laptop is going to the nearest Apple store for repairs tomorrow. You guys gonna pay the bill for that for me? No? Damn, didn't think so. Thanks a lot, CCP.
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Ceptacemia
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:54:00 -
[88]
I would like to state, for the record.
XP Service Pack 2 should be immune to this... the boot.ini does not appear, but windows should load from the backup. I have re-tested it TWICE now, and can confirm it. Either my PC has self evolved and is able to heal itself, or it works. Period.
Considering I tried it on a second PC, and my corpmates have tried this, I can safely give this a 100% YES SP2 fixes this problem.
And yes, it was a simple typo... how I don't know. This didn't happen on SiSi...
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:54:00 -
[89]
I'm sorry, but I have to ask.
How could you possibly have missed this before deployment?
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:55:00 -
[90]
Kittamaru < That may be for you but I have now reproduced this on 2 Windows XP SP2 machines.
Please see my post as there may be other reasons you wher enot effected.
This issue CAN AND DOES effect Windows XP SP2.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:56:00 -
[91]
Edited by: Andrue on 06/12/2007 07:59:06
Hmmm. I wonder if my machine will be affected. I run as a limited user so it's a possibility that I might be protected. OTOH the upgrade did require me to run it as an admin account so probably not. Shouldn't be too hard to fix but seriously CCP - wtf? How in hell does upgrading a game client end up trashing boot.ini?
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(Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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kaufmann
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:56:00 -
[92]
well, when will people learn that an
imagefile of the system partition is essential,
every little program or installation can screw your system.
Murphy bites you someday, you cannot hide.
but nevertheless i would say, that this should cost ccp at least one free t2 bpo for all
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:57:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Galvatr0n
Originally by: akakjs
Originally by: Prince Sallerus
This is the kind of mistake that makes a company CEO ask, very seriously, "who let this happen?"
I'd like to add "Why is the installer even touching my system files!?!" as well...
akakjs
I second that motion. Why is CCP touching my system files?
Because they made a mistake. They had boot.ini in their old EVE code but not in the new one. So patch deleted this file. The only problem is someone forgot to put proper path to this file and instead of deleting it from EVE folder it removes it from current directory. Unfortunately most of the time there is system file boot.ini there.
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Dai Harde
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:58:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Red Panda
For Dell users with a hidden restore partition You may use this boot.ini :
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
I have a Dell laptop and I've been trying to get mine to check clear from msconfig boot.ini screen but it would keep saying the last line was bad. Then I seen you post and bam it checks fine now. Yep, duh, Dell has that hidden diag partition on it so its the number one partition and windows is on the second.
Awesome thanks Red Panda
So CCP you sending us all a case of some FINE ICELAND beer for the trouble right....or isk :P
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Odeweaver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:58:00 -
[95]
Originally by: kaufmann
well, when will people learn that an
imagefile of the system partition is essential,
every little program or installation can screw your system.
Murphy bites you someday, you cannot hide.
but nevertheless i would say, that this should cost ccp at least one free t2 bpo for all
I'd be happy with a hyperion
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Pie
mmmm pie - Immy
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:59:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Kittamaru
I would like to state, for the record.
XP Service Pack 2 should be immune to this... the boot.ini does not appear, but windows should load from the backup. I have re-tested it TWICE now, and can confirm it. Either my PC has self evolved and is able to heal itself, or it works. Period.
Considering I tried it on a second PC, and my corpmates have tried this, I can safely give this a 100% YES SP2 fixes this problem.
And yes, it was a simple typo... how I don't know. This didn't happen on SiSi...
My laptop booted from the backup I'm assuming, since there's no boot.ini but it worked fine. My PC didn't HAVE a backup, so instead of taking the chance, I made a new boot.ini and it's currently booting up fine.
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Bentula
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Posted - 2007.12.06 07:59:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Neal Cassady
Originally by: TheDevilsJury
Edited by: TheDevilsJury on 06/12/2007 07:27:13
Originally by: Neal Cassady
Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Neal Cassady
so if i already rebooted my machine am i screwed?
Don't think so. I'm on my laptop right now, which has no boot.ini, and has been rebooted, so as long as you can get in Windows, you should be ok.
um i can't im on a different computer.
this is really making me want to quit this damn game. and before you ask for my stuff im putting it in a bunch of unlocked cans in amamake 3-1.
Since it did not reboot sucessfully, you need to use your windows disk to restore your boot.ini file. There are instructions in an announcement in the Player News Center item. The instructions for those who rebooted are at the bottom, after clicking "Read more".
yeah i lost my xp disk ages ago. any other options?
Yes, for those of you without a WinXP bootdisk there is another option. There is the possibility of getting ntfs write support in linux bootdisks, which would allow you to access your c:\ drive and follow the create a new boot.ini following the instructions.
I would advice someone making a new post in the windows troubleshooting section of these forums.
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Yokan Daifuku
Gallente
The Flaming Sideburn's
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:00:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Yokan Daifuku on 06/12/2007 08:01:29
Here my two cents to verify your boot.ini file is there.
Open a Command Prompt:
Start > Run
Enter "cmd" (no quotes)
Click OK
Enter: "dir C:\ /A:H" No quotes this will list the hidden files at C:\. Look for boot.ini. if it is missing or has a value of 0 next to it you have a problem.
If it is not 0 use the command "type C:\boot.ini" No quotes. This will type the file into the command prompt, if it looks like the boot.ini examples posted in this thread it should be OK (no guarantees).
Edit: Improved clarity.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:01:00 -
[99]
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
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wolfgarrr
Caldari
Venom Warriors
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:01:00 -
[100]
Edited by: wolfgarrr on 06/12/2007 08:04:29
Ok A lot of this is really good info guys BUT
It is totally useless to the person who
1. Already shutdown their computer
2. Doesn't read the forums (See #1)
3. Is a average computer user (See #1-2)
^^ these 3 reasons will cause many many people to wake up tomorrow boot up their computers and not be able to. They will then go WTF?? And some will have family/friends who are computer savvy who will come fix their computers for them
There is also a large group who will take their computers down to a shop to have it fixed.
How this was allowed to happen is beyond me, While i am not advocating CCP Do a mass reimbursement , Explanations and apologies for this huge screwup is something they better do.
Chalk up another black mark CCP ..
Edit.. BTW.. How is a noob suposed to fix their computer etc if they cant even boot their system :P (Basicaly my point of this post)
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Thicky McThick
Has anyone asked the hamsters yet?
Don't be silly, the hamsters are animals, they can't speak.
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:02:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Kittamaru
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
I have sp2 and it effected me, are you sure you weren't installing the full client or something?
I'm 100% sure... I deliberately tried this on a separate machine (we have over a half dozen working Pc's in my household... go figure right?) and it worked fine. XP SP 2 does NOT allow the deletion of the boot.ini file. And even if it is deleted, it stores a backup that it will load instead.
Either that or my PC has self evolved somehow... :P
It's true that if your boot drive is 0:0/0, Windows will automatically attempt to boot it, even if no boot.ini is present. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of? Alternately, if you're installing Eve as a non-Administrator user, obviously, you won't be able to mess about with the boot.ini file. Lastly, one might easily imagine that other software (antivirus, performance-tuner apps, etc.) might monitor boot.ini or replace it should it become damaged.
However, I'm on XP SP2, all the latest patches, and I definitely got hit with this. So, even if your computer is magically more awesome than everyone else's, please stop spreading information that, by and large, even if not in your particular case, is incorrect.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:02:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Haclya on 06/12/2007 08:06:00
NVM
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Tango Sokolov
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:02:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Tango Sokolov on 06/12/2007 08:04:24
Originally by: Tango Sokolov
Here is why restarting your computer even with a nuked boot.ini works:
If you have edited nothing after your boot.ini was killed, and you restart, Windows will choke while trying to find the file and call to the backup. It replaces the file on it's own. I AM NOT SAYING GO RESTART YOUR COMPUTER.
I however, am on a boot camped MacBook Pro, and am now screwed. Very very screwed.
OKAY! I finally fixed the issue without having to go back a few days and delete a bunch of my new Illustrator work in the process.
FOR BOOT CAMP USERS:
Your boot.ini file should look like this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
Boot Camp makes an odd partition and I haven't figured out it's use, but that means it puts XP on the third partition. It also requires "/noexecute=optin".
This has been tested and works fine. Follow the normal instructions to creating a new boot.ini file and place the above text in the file instead. I hope this helps, I'm not sure how many Boot Camp users there are out there. This is also exactly like the Dell boot.ini, but with partition 3 instead of 2.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:03:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Kittamaru
Originally by: Pepperami
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
I have sp2 and it effected me, are you sure you weren't installing the full client or something?
I'm 100% sure... I deliberately tried this on a separate machine (we have over a half dozen working Pc's in my household... go figure right?) and it worked fine. XP SP 2 does NOT allow the deletion of the boot.ini file. And even if it is deleted, it stores a backup that it will load instead.
Either that or my PC has self evolved somehow... :P
Service Pack 2 is irrelevant. I have a PC with XP Home and a laptop with XP Pro, both with SP2 and both lost their boot.ini
kittamaru's counterproductive suggestions itt
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traderunner
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:04:00 -
[105]
PLEASE HELP !!!!!
ok iv read about 3 pages of this boot.ini mess-up and just wanted to make shore be for i reboot that iv got it right, iv got a file called BOOT.INI and in it is
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
is this right ?
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Eval B'Stard
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:05:00 -
[106]
God am I glad I was at work when the server came back up, at least I found out about this BEFORE i did the update.
Major FAIL on CCP's part though.
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wolfgarrr
Caldari
Venom Warriors
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:06:00 -
[107]
Edited by: wolfgarrr on 06/12/2007 08:05:48
Originally by: traderunner
PLEASE HELP !!!!!
ok iv read about 3 pages of this boot.ini mess-up and just wanted to make shore be for i reboot that iv got it right, iv got a file called BOOT.INI and in it is
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
is this right ?
you should be fine mate :)
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Originally by: Thicky McThick
Has anyone asked the hamsters yet?
Don't be silly, the hamsters are animals, they can't speak.
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speedo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:06:00 -
[108]
Hi,
I have let the client do the auto patch (classic) for my OS which is Windows XP Pro 64bit
Does it affect this OS?
My boot ini is as follows after the patch..
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional x64 Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:06:00 -
[109]
Traderunner.
Yes! That looks right.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:08:00 -
[110]
speedo > You are not effected if you only did the autopatch.
If you downloaded and applied the Premium content then you could be effected.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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Viper's Venom
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:08:00 -
[111]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Traderunner.
Yes! That looks right.
ok wish me luck in going for a reboot
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Kendar Zek
Gallente
Interstellar Aid Society
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:12:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Apertotes
tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf 
I nearly fell out of my chair laughing.
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Odeweaver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:14:00 -
[113]
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
Had that happen last semester with my laptop, use a linux distro to pull the file off the disk then fix it, I recommend using Damn Small Linux in situations like this
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mmmm pie - Immy
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:17:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Erotic Irony on 06/12/2007 08:18:04
Quote:
We have taken down the ability to download the Classic to Premium upgrade patch until we have determined where the issue lies and how we can resolve this. Full install clients have not exhibited this issue and are safe to download.
Just wanted some clarification: Is the 584mb patch here supposed to be disabled or has it already disappeared off the available patches page? The former is still downloadable.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar
FSK23
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:17:00 -
[115]
There comes a time in one's life where one learns why using relative paths in scripts is bad.
Sometimes you delete half your harddrive, sometimes other peoples boot.ini.
Your installer asks for the installation directory.
Save that as $BASEPATH
Do not cd into $BASEPATH and work with relative paths from there. Bad things happen along that road.
Prefix all you relative paths with $BASEPATH.
- BAD!
- cd C:\Games\Eve
- del \boot.ini
- del otherfile.txt
- ...
- GOOD!
- del C:\Games\Eve\\boot.ini
- del C:\Games\Eve\otherfile.txt
- ...
Safe-guards for those typos were put into realpath libraries long ago. Use them.
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:17:00 -
[116]
Considering the patch was ready 4 hours early and everything ran so smoothly, why's anyone surprised?
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More Tono
Gallente
Ninmu Seijaku
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:18:00 -
[117]
I'm a 51 yr old truck driver. Wish i knew what all this geekspeak meant. Crap
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speedo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:18:00 -
[118]
I wonder if this will work...
Open your orginal boot.ini b4 patch save as boot.ini.bak or just copy the contents to clipboard.
Download the premium content, update then either restore the original boot.ini, or open the original boot.ini, delte the contents, paste your copied version and save.
Would that resolve the issue? or is it to simple?
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Yokan Daifuku
Gallente
The Flaming Sideburn's
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:18:00 -
[119]
Edited by: Yokan Daifuku on 06/12/2007 08:19:07
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
Use "fixboot" command (no quotes) with a windows recovery CD.
Or boot in linux with a live CD that supports NTFS.
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Ceptacemia
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:19:00 -
[120]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Kittamaru < That may be for you but I have now reproduced this on 2 Windows XP SP2 machines.
Please see my post as there may be other reasons you wher enot effected.
This issue CAN AND DOES effect Windows XP SP2.
I only have a C: drive
I am running Windows XP Pro SP2
I installed from the patch upgrade
I meet all the criteria... why is my PC acting special?
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:19:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Edited by: Erotic Irony on 06/12/2007 08:18:04
Quote:
We have taken down the ability to download the Classic to Premium upgrade patch until we have determined where the issue lies and how we can resolve this. Full install clients have not exhibited this issue and are safe to download.
Just wanted some clarification: Is the 584mb patch here supposed to be disabled or has it already disappeared off the available patches page? The former is still downloadable.
We have fixed the issue in the patch and it is now available again.
I am testing the BITS service as I type.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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PiniclePanda
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:20:00 -
[122]
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
This post goes to illustrate why it's a good idea to back up your mission critical documents, to, say, a thumb drive, webspace, google documents, another computer, hell, even a floppy. It's really that simple.
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:20:00 -
[123]
Posted up on another forum.
Threw together a little script that will check for your boot.ini file, and if it's missing, it will check the only place in the windows directory we can seem to find a backup copy (about 70% so far have it). (Windows\pss dir).
Posted it up on a spare domain I had: www.gamingassist.com.
Gotten about 40 thank you emails, so its working for most ppl.
-proclaimed HERETIC
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Odeweaver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:21:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Kittamaru
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Kittamaru < That may be for you but I have now reproduced this on 2 Windows XP SP2 machines.
Please see my post as there may be other reasons you wher enot effected.
This issue CAN AND DOES effect Windows XP SP2.
I only have a C: drive
I am running Windows XP Pro SP2
I installed from the patch upgrade
I meet all the criteria... why is my PC acting special?
its not, the file was still deleted from your pc, you just had a backup which windows found and used, so stop giving bad advice and let the devs handle it.
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mmmm pie - Immy
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Jaguar Dragon
Blood Association of Dragons
Blood Alliance of Dragons
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:21:00 -
[125]
say.. are you using the word, REBOOT. as turned off then restarted your pc, vs. using the reset button because pc crashed to blue screen. thats what happened to me. pc also had to be reset while playing another game after i logged out of eve.
pc has not yet been turned off
i need this clarified
also boot.ini tab is not in run/msconfig.
please advise
Jag
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Odeweaver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:23:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Jaguar Dragon
say.. are you using the word, REBOOT. as turned off then restarted your pc, vs. using the reset button because pc crashed to blue screen. thats what happened to me. pc also had to be reset while playing another game after i logged out of eve.
pc has not yet been turned off
i need this clarified
also boot.ini tab is not in run/msconfig.
please advise
Jag
c:/boot.ini
Type that in run
if it doesn't work then open notepad copy the text in the first post then save to c:/boot.ini
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mmmm pie - Immy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:24:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Jaguar Dragon
say.. are you using the word, REBOOT. as turned off then restarted your pc, vs. using the reset button because pc crashed to blue screen. thats what happened to me. pc also had to be reset while playing another game after i logged out of eve.
pc has not yet been turned off
i need this clarified
also boot.ini tab is not in run/msconfig.
please advise
Jag
As the boot.ini tab is not there then YOU ARE AFFECTED.
Please try one of the solutions posted in this thread.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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traderunner
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:24:00 -
[128]
Thanks guy's and girls for the help my pc works fine after the restart all i need to do now is sit back and wait for my heart to start pumping again :) just what one needs after 8 hours night shift :)
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Ceptacemia
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:24:00 -
[129]
*deep blush* okay... i know why my PC was being uber...
I activated the diagnostic boot sequence (instead of fast boot) so I could see everything... when it tried to load the boot.ini, it couldn't find it. Instead of trying to use the backup, it scanned my PC for some file with a crazy name I wont' try to type out (maybe even a registry key entry, I'd have to check) and from there reconstructed the boot.ini. I know that's what it's doing because it says, and I quote:
warning: boot.ini not found
scanning for local files
constructing boot.ini
I have no idea what in the bloody hell that is... all the custom built rigs in our house are doing it... the two dells and the e-machine, don't. Very, vewwy strange indeed. Must be a custom-rig thing?
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haz bro
Caldari
Union Aerospace Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:25:00 -
[130]
well as my boot ini was removed and iam on a secure system i have no choice to get a systems operator to restore my computer...as that is in my contract. CCP shud of known and tested this in XP to thats a stuppid screwup... on dev side ..as you know that many people are still on XP home or prof...
Well i have no choice to present the bill to CCP to fix my system boot INI...because of my service contracts with my PC`s i cannot change anything..in my System files as that is a breach of contract policy i signed.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:25:00 -
[131]
Needless to say, this boot.ini issue is an astronomical mistake. Now that CCP is caught up to speed with the latest in computer graphics techniques, it's time they learn about Quality Assurance. Wikipedia is always a good start for novices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_assurance |
Odeweaver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:26:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Kittamaru
*deep blush* okay... i know why my PC was being uber...
I activated the diagnostic boot sequence (instead of fast boot) so I could see everything... when it tried to load the boot.ini, it couldn't find it. Instead of trying to use the backup, it scanned my PC for some file with a crazy name I wont' try to type out (maybe even a registry key entry, I'd have to check) and from there reconstructed the boot.ini. I know that's what it's doing because it says, and I quote:
warning: boot.ini not found
scanning for local files
constructing boot.ini
I have no idea what in the bloody hell that is... all the custom built rigs in our house are doing it... the two dells and the e-machine, don't. Very, vewwy strange indeed. Must be a custom-rig thing?
Big pc builders use a custom install.
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mmmm pie - Immy
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:26:00 -
[133]
Anybody know who first made this qoute?
"Any publicity is good publicity"
Wonder how much news this is going to make?
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Odeweaver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:27:00 -
[134]
Originally by: Truce Slack
Needless to say, this boot.ini issue is an astronomical mistake. Now that CCP is caught up to speed with the latest in computer graphics techniques, it's time they learn about Quality Assurance. Wikipedia is always a good start for novices: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_assurance
Its called the CCP Celebratory Beertruck
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mmmm pie - Immy
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Abbala Brutori
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:27:00 -
[135]
ok. I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly how do mess with all this system and OS stuff. My computer has be restarted. SO right now I'm on a differet PC. As of right now I can't find my XP recovery disk. I can however run the built in recovery console. Which I'm guessing will reinstall my windows XP.
But this will also delete all my saved information correct???
I don't really know what I'm doing. SO if there is anyone that can please. give me a step by step as best as possible that would so extremely wonderful.
Should I run my recovery console? and will this cause mass data loss?
What are my other options?
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Gynon
Caldari
Mindstar Technology
Talon Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:31:00 -
[136]
Originally by: Artean
Hilarious, and what a refreshing start to this morning!
First time ever I'm happy being a Vista user.
So, those this qualify as a trojan or a virus?
It qualifies as neither.
A trojan creates a backdoor for anyone with malicious intent to enter. EvE does not.
A virus is a self replicating program designed to infect other files (not simply delete them) EvE does not.
However this might fall under malware somehow but not in a traditional sense since this wasn't created with malicious intent thus defeating the "mal" part 
So this would just be an extremely human **** up
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:32:00 -
[137]
Originally by: Odeweaver
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
ok. I'm not going to pretend that I know exactly how do mess with all this system and OS stuff. My computer has be restarted. SO right now I'm on a differet PC. As of right now I can't find my XP recovery disk. I can however run the built in recovery console. Which I'm guessing will reinstall my windows XP.
But this will also delete all my saved information correct???
I don't really know what I'm doing. SO if there is anyone that can please. give me a step by step as best as possible that would so extremely wonderful.
Should I run my recovery console? and will this cause mass data loss?
What are my other options?
Don't know about the recovery console too much, but another option as stated would to download a linux live cd, mount your ntfs partition and copy a new bootfile over.
ANd how would I do that?
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Air Scare
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:33:00 -
[138]
Originally by: Robert Lewis
Its all right here in the patch notes.
Miscellaneous
* There were rare cases of people being unable to load their client after the 2.3 patch. The cause of this has been resolved.
* Several fixes relating to the display of messages in multiple languages have been made.
* Several obsolete dlls have been removed from the client. Note that there is a small possibility that your client will report as having incorrect files in the /bin/ directory as a result of this. If this occurs, please remove the files named.
* Removing of Boot.ini from systems running XP as part of the "Need for Speed" upgrade.
LMAO omg. Classic.
I hope this doesnt turn out to be as huge of a problem as everyone thinks. I feel bad for CCP that this happened on their glorious Trinity launch. Doesnt necessarily excuse the mistake, but my heart goes out to them nontheless. I hope the community can work through this. Good luck in working through this CCP!
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Ninmu Seijaku
Legionnaire Services Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:35:00 -
[139]
I'll just keep refreshing the page till somebody says something the "computer illerate" can understand. (sigh)
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Ceptacemia
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:35:00 -
[140]
Originally by: Odeweaver
Originally by: Kittamaru
*deep blush* okay... i know why my PC was being uber...
I activated the diagnostic boot sequence (instead of fast boot) so I could see everything... when it tried to load the boot.ini, it couldn't find it. Instead of trying to use the backup, it scanned my PC for some file with a crazy name I wont' try to type out (maybe even a registry key entry, I'd have to check) and from there reconstructed the boot.ini. I know that's what it's doing because it says, and I quote:
warning: boot.ini not found
scanning for local files
constructing boot.ini
I have no idea what in the bloody hell that is... all the custom built rigs in our house are doing it... the two dells and the e-machine, don't. Very, vewwy strange indeed. Must be a custom-rig thing?
Big pc builders use a custom install.
I appreciate the compliment, but I'm no "big pc builder"... yes, I built most of the computers in our house myself. I have buying a PC and paying for labor plus a rig that just sucks... and most "pre made" pc's suck...
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:36:00 -
[141]
Edited by: LUH 3471 on 06/12/2007 08:37:00
ccp my laptop desnt boot anymore tanks to you
i need it for work
who wil fix it for me now ?
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Kittamaru
Gallente
Ceptacemia
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:36:00 -
[142]
Originally by: More Tono
I'll just keep refreshing the page till somebody says something the "computer illerate" can understand. (sigh)
Simply put:
Take the code being supplied.
Copy it into a notepad document.
Save the document somewhere as boot.ini
Take that document and drop it into your root folder "C:" for most people.
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FireFoxx80
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:37:00 -
[143]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Originally by: Erotic Irony
Edited by: Erotic Irony on 06/12/2007 08:18:04
Quote:
We have taken down the ability to download the Classic to Premium upgrade patch until we have determined where the issue lies and how we can resolve this. Full install clients have not exhibited this issue and are safe to download.
Just wanted some clarification: Is the 584mb patch here supposed to be disabled or has it already disappeared off the available patches page? The former is still downloadable.
We have fixed the issue in the patch and it is now available again.
I am testing the BITS service as I type.
So the BITS patch is fine in XP, the full client download is fine in XP; it's only people who downloaded the premium content patch between 02:00 and 08:00 who are affected?
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Odeweaver
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:38:00 -
[144]
Originally by: Kittamaru
Originally by: Odeweaver
Originally by: Kittamaru
*deep blush* okay... i know why my PC was being uber...
I activated the diagnostic boot sequence (instead of fast boot) so I could see everything... when it tried to load the boot.ini, it couldn't find it. Instead of trying to use the backup, it scanned my PC for some file with a crazy name I wont' try to type out (maybe even a registry key entry, I'd have to check) and from there reconstructed the boot.ini. I know that's what it's doing because it says, and I quote:
warning: boot.ini not found
scanning for local files
constructing boot.ini
I have no idea what in the bloody hell that is... all the custom built rigs in our house are doing it... the two dells and the e-machine, don't. Very, vewwy strange indeed. Must be a custom-rig thing?
Big pc builders use a custom install.
I appreciate the compliment, but I'm no "big pc builder"... yes, I built most of the computers in our house myself. I have buying a PC and paying for labor plus a rig that just sucks... and most "pre made" pc's suck...
wasn't a compliment, your advice sucked and you were told so, yet still spread dis-information, i was talking about the dells and e-machines
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mmmm pie - Immy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:39:00 -
[145]
Edited by: proclaimed HERETIC on 06/12/2007 08:39:12
Originally by: DirtyHarry
Edited by: DirtyHarry on 06/12/2007 07:17:08
CCP what about those with multiple boot systems? what are you going to suggest for them? the solution you gave there only applies to those who have 1 operating system installed on their PC and that that operating system is on the "default" location that windows puts it in, and not an extra partition.
If your popping a dual boot setup, you should know better. You always keep backups and boot disks for the custom setups. Sorry you got screwed, but you should always CYA. Lesson's learn by heartache I guess. Hopefully bootcfg can win that battle for you.
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Eutectic
Caldari
VentureCorp
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:40:00 -
[146]
Edited by: Eutectic on 06/12/2007 08:45:41
Edited by: Eutectic on 06/12/2007 08:43:37
Edited by: Eutectic on 06/12/2007 08:40:58
I predict /.'itness soon on this. And no I won't be submitting it.
This mistake is going to cost a lot of players real life money to fix. Many will not have even the slightest clue how to fix it or even realize that Eve caused the problem. If they own only a single PC they'll have no way of reading these forums etc. And as has been mentioned in many posts, most PC's come with OEM Restore disks that do not contain Windows Repair console the abil. For the tech inclined a missing boot.ini file is kind of a joke. Easy to fix and point and laugh at CCP for deleting it. For the people who's sole knowledge about computers is how to turn them on and use mouse and keyboard to start EVE, Word, or whatever it's going to be hell.
I've helped 3 of my corpmates so far fix this issue and every one of them has been extremely grateful in that if I didn't warn them and walk them through fix their only recourse later on would have been to pay someone like Geek Squad to fix it.
Classic case of very shoddy QA. Easy mistake to make yes, also extremely easy to catch. Did anyone at CCP even bother to install test the patch? No way this could have been missed with even cursory QA. Whoever signed off on the QA to release the patch deserves some serious re-calibration by CCP management.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:41:00 -
[147]
Looks like the installer created a backup of my boot.ini before it deleted it. The backup is in the root folder and called BOOT.BAK. This is on Win2k.
I've renamed the file to boot.ini and going for a reboot now. Will post back here if it works.
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Ratner
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:41:00 -
[148]
\O/ CCP Nerfed Windows Yay.
Ok so my computer can't even run the recovery software any ideas?
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RedClaws
Amarr
Dragon's Rage
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:41:00 -
[149]
hehe You should put a plastic chicken on the desk of the one that programmed that.
They used to do that when developing UT2004 : Everything a programmer messed something up you'd get "The Chicken!"
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Abbala Brutori
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:42:00 -
[150]
Ok the error I'm getting is that my <windows root>\system32\hal.dill is mission or corrupt.....IDK what to do, and I'm starting to panic.
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Gran Masakari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:42:00 -
[151]
Edited by: Gran Masakari on 06/12/2007 08:43:45
Does anyone know if boot.ini needs different parameters if you have the partition with windows striped across two hard drives with a Raid 0 Array?
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Pham Nuuwen
Free Traders
Free Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:42:00 -
[152]
This was an incredibly large mess-up and I expect CCP to be highly apologetic and pay reparations to the EVE community. A free week or so of subscription time ought to do it. Don't you have testing for this kind of thing... could it have been intentional?
Maybe I watch too many movies, but if I were you, I'd have some kind of inquiry as to how this possibly could have happened, and then gone live, devastating the computers that are the lifeblood of so, so many of your loyal customers.
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Gnomey
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:42:00 -
[153]
Originally by: RedClaws
hehe You should put a plastic chicken on the desk of the one that programmed that.
They used to do that when developing UT2004 : Everything a programmer messed something up you'd get "The Chicken!"
I don't think the person who coded that bit will have a desk by the end of the week.
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Shodo Deka
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:43:00 -
[154]
Edited by: Shodo Deka on 06/12/2007 08:43:21
Originally by: Kittamaru
Originally by: More Tono
I'll just keep refreshing the page till somebody says something the "computer illerate" can understand. (sigh)
Simply put:
Take the code being supplied.
Copy it into a notepad document.
Save the document somewhere as boot.ini
Take that document and drop it into your root folder "C:" for most people.
Open the start menu and click run
type: attrib +s +h +a c:\boot.ini
I have added the missing step to your list in bold.
If you do not set the attribute of the file windows will not regonize it as a system file
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Gnomey
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:44:00 -
[155]
Originally by: Gran Masakari
Does anyone know if boot.ini is different if you have the partition with windows in a raid 0 across two hard drives?
raid 0 will not protect you against this.
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SiegesMorraeon
Gallente
The Devil's Advocates
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:44:00 -
[156]
Just heard about this problem from my corp. head and he helped me see if things were okay. I'm running the classic version, since I wasn't sure if my comp would handle the new graphics. It appears to be all right, since my boot.ini file was still there when with his help I tried to create a new one. But when I first went to check the System Configuration Tool, I got this message:
"It appears that the following line in the BOOT.INI file does not refer to a vaild operating system. "C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" / CMDCONS""
What is that and is there anything we can do about it? Frankly, I'm freaked out by this; I'm far from being the most computer savvy person out there and I'm fearful of having to make costly repairs to my computer. Help?
Thanks, in the meantime.
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Johnny Gurkha
Slow Deep and Hard
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:46:00 -
[157]
Firstly: Windows 2000 user, seperate games drives for each Eve install - boot.ini still exists
Secondly: Trinity rocks
Thirdly: Epic fail as far as public relations is concerned
Fourthly: LOL at the name of this live Linux distribution that may help users inject a boot.ini into their Windows partition Trinity Rescue Kit
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:46:00 -
[158]
I predict happy holiday bussiness for Geek Squad.
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Savel
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:47:00 -
[159]
I am currently running into a larger problem than what is discussed here so far. So I have fixed the boot.ini, by booting in linux, but the problem I am running into was created by the sisi patch before trinity came out. The reason I have come to this conclusion is because my desktop will not boot, and had the same symptoms as what has been described here. Now after rebuilding my boot.ini and restarting I get this message.
"Windows could not start because of an error in the software.
Please report this problem as :
load needed DLLs for kernel.
Please contact your support person to report this problem."
I am putting a request into them for a fix. Before the boot.ini was fixed I was getting a hal.dll error saying it was corrupt.
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Koti Resci
FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:51:00 -
[160]
Jesus ******* Christ. If I had rebooted and CCP had ****** up my computer, my subscription would be cancelled faster than you could say "pewpew".
I've been saying it from the get-go: CCP is incompetent. This only proves it.
As it is, my friend using a Mac dual-booted into Windows for EVE has already rebooted his computer and had already started using his Windows recovery disc. I imagine he won't be a happy camper when he finds out why.
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:51:00 -
[161]
Originally by: Irongut
Looks like the installer created a backup of my boot.ini before it deleted it. The backup is in the root folder and called BOOT.BAK. This is on Win2k.
I've renamed the file to boot.ini and going for a reboot now. Will post back here if it works.
PC rebooted perfectly, phew.
If your boot.ini is missing check for BOOT.BAK with a time around when you installed the graphics upgrade and rename it. This is a very simple solution.
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cinderbrood
Caldari
Dark Prophecy Inc.
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:52:00 -
[162]
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
Should I run my recovery console? and will this cause mass data loss?
What are my other options?
Entering the recovery console will NOT cause any dataloss, Provided u dont mess with things u shouldn't.
run the recovery console, Type "fixboot" without the "s press enter,
Windows should report something saying success or something ( been a while scince ive done it, dont recall exact text)
type exit, Press enter,
huzahh working pc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:53:00 -
[163]
Originally by: SiegesMorraeon
Just heard about this problem from my corp. head and he helped me see if things were okay. I'm running the classic version, since I wasn't sure if my comp would handle the new graphics. It appears to be all right, since my boot.ini file was still there when with his help I tried to create a new one. But when I first went to check the System Configuration Tool, I got this message:
"It appears that the following line in the BOOT.INI file does not refer to a vaild operating system. "C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" / CMDCONS""
What is that and is there anything we can do about it? Frankly, I'm freaked out by this; I'm far from being the most computer savvy person out there and I'm fearful of having to make costly repairs to my computer. Help?
Thanks, in the meantime.
This doesn't sound like a big deal. Seems to be saying you don't have the XP recovery console, which is an optional add-on, installed.
If that's the only error than you should be in good shape I'd think. It did find at least one good reference didn't it?
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:54:00 -
[164]
I cannot be arsed reading 7 - 8 pages or searching forever. I have been away so not even started to download patch - simple question is this problem been fixed? if cant cant get confirmation then sod it will play something else till fixed.
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:56:00 -
[165]
Originally by: Wimwyn
I cannot be arsed reading 7 - 8 pages or searching forever. I have been away so not even started to download patch - simple question is this problem been fixed? if cant cant get confirmation then sod it will play something else till fixed.
According to one of the last gold-bar posts we saw, yes it's fixed and the content that's currently available for download won't delete your boot.ini.
However, if you're feeling paranoid, which is certainly understandable, just use the methods mentioned in the first post to check for your boot.ini after installing the patch. If it seems to be missing, follow the instructions to fix it, it's pretty simple to do.
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:57:00 -
[166]
To request "free" stuff from CCP for this issue is absolutely idiotic. Perhaps you should go play World of Warcraft, where they charge... not only the subscription fee, but $50 for the game PLUS another $45 for a damn expansion. Yeah, this situation sucks, but obviously it was an accident. The flip side of all this is for them to delay expansions, hire 15 more programmers for testing, and jack up fees to compensate. To not only prove that they are a better company for providing free expansions, they ALSO spent the additional time to ensure people did not need to run out and by a SM3 compliant video card. Who else does that?
For people in this situation with their hands out, I'd much rather spit in their hands than give them anything else.
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LUH 3471
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:57:00 -
[167]
whoever messed this up we will find you 
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 08:58:00 -
[168]
Originally by: Wimwyn
I cannot be arsed reading 7 - 8 pages or searching forever. I have been away so not even started to download patch - simple question is this problem been fixed? if cant cant get confirmation then sod it will play something else till fixed.
Yes Problem is fix in the new files available to download.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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Anew Menace
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:00:00 -
[169]
Sorry to add to the long list of this thread, but some of us are not Computer Geeks. Heck, I just turn mine on to play games and type letters and check emails.
If something does not run right I just reinstall the damn thing.
The Quick Question I have is;
Does it matter what is in the boot file?
What was actually changed to make it not workà Just deleted or something changed.
I have to ask because I keep seeing everyoneÆs boot files with 30 seconds?
Mine says;
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
And not being a Computer Geek, I have no clue if the ôtimeout=0ö instead of ôtimeout-30ö is gona crash my system.
Sorry I know this is probably nothing, but not all of us are young or know computers all that well. I only know what I am told and told EXACTLY how to do it. If I see something out of place I think its wrong..
Sorry for the dumb post. Its probably nothing right?
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Useless alt
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:04:00 -
[170]
Now that is by far the most DEV spam I have seen in a single thread so far. 
Anyway, I see that right now there is no way to get to the premium content patch when having downloaded the clasic one.
The only question I have about all of this is how on earth could a patch system mess about with a boot.ini file? Because:
- The file is not part of your system
- There is no reason to try and update/alter it
- There should under no circumstance be a 'del C:\boot.ini' command in any program
Then again if you are stupid enough to run any operating system with root rights you should expect and accept that these things will happen from time to time.
ps, CCP please add this scenario to your test cases for next time 
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Yokan Daifuku
Gallente
The Flaming Sideburn's
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:05:00 -
[171]
Originally by: Anew Menace
Sorry to add to the long list of this thread, but some of us are not Computer Geeks. Heck, I just turn mine on to play games and type letters and check emails.
If something does not run right I just reinstall the damn thing.
The Quick Question I have is;
Does it matter what is in the boot file?
What was actually changed to make it not workà Just deleted or something changed.
I have to ask because I keep seeing everyoneÆs boot files with 30 seconds?
Mine says;
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
And not being a Computer Geek, I have no clue if the ôtimeout=0ö instead of ôtimeout-30ö is gona crash my system.
Sorry I know this is probably nothing, but not all of us are young or know computers all that well. I only know what I am told and told EXACTLY how to do it. If I see something out of place I think its wrong..
Sorry for the dumb post. Its probably nothing right?
timeout=0 is fine. Its just a technical parameter that needs to be a whole number that is greater than or equal to 0.
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George Petsch
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:05:00 -
[172]
As I posted in the other "OMG our 'puters gonna die threads", if you have SP2 installed a missing boot.ini will NOT kill your system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PoYJyV0yRW8 
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Species 5618
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:06:00 -
[173]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Originally by: Wimwyn
I cannot be arsed reading 7 - 8 pages or searching forever. I have been away so not even started to download patch - simple question is this problem been fixed? if cant cant get confirmation then sod it will play something else till fixed.
Yes Problem is fix in the new files available to download.
OHH GOOD, THAT HELPS.
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Alex Wildstar
Gallente
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:06:00 -
[174]
I'm sorry, but what in the hell is CCP doing with code that even goes NEAR the boot.ini file? It has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with the game, it only has to do with passing the location of the OS boot files to the NT loader. There is absolutely no reason for them to have any code to muck around with this at all. This is almost right up there, with an "un-install" program years back in the Dos era that just deleted the C:\ Drive
But as we all know CCP devs don't make ANY mistakes at all, which is why they don't need testers.. Bah... Every other software company on the planet has testers to test their software before it releases, because DEVS MAKE LOUSY TESTERS, they are too arrogant and full of themselves, and only believe a program will be used one way.
Anyone that is giving CCP a pass on this doesn't have any knowledge of software development. This is absolutely idiotic...
It's like going to the doctor to treat a cold, and getting your arm chopped off.
I'm tired of CCP just saying, oh sorry, we screwed up, you can't play the game for hours/days, and no you won't get a refund of time lost because of our screwups. Oh and ship movement sounds is busted, but I guess the Devs didn't notice, because they were too busy congratulating themselves on whatever.
Bah..
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Trinkets
Minmatar
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:06:00 -
[175]
"We need to **** this up gentlemen, give me some ideas"
"Sir, how about we delete some OS bootup files? That would be dandy!"
"I like it, get to work boys!"
I¦ve never used this before so this is a world first:
EPIC FAIL!
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Gothlarin
Caldari
BlackSky inc.
Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:07:00 -
[176]
Originally by: Eevul Rabbite
Edited by: Eevul Rabbite on 06/12/2007 07:04:01
Edited by: Eevul Rabbite on 06/12/2007 06:57:54
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
As others have already said, this is NOT TRUE. All versions of NT/2k/XP/2003 are affected. However, you're "immune" to this bug if you have EVE installed on a different drive/partition than the system.
Not quite immune.. i had windows on a different partition, still my boot got ruined..
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Alex Wildstar
Gallente
Real Nice And Laidback Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:09:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Useless alt
Now that is by far the most DEV spam I have seen in a single thread so far.
Anyway, I see that right now there is no way to get to the premium content patch when having downloaded the clasic one.
The only question I have about all of this is how on earth could a patch system mess about with a boot.ini file? Because:
- The file is not part of your system
- There is no reason to try and update/alter it
- There should under no circumstance be a 'del C:\boot.ini' command in any program
Then again if you are stupid enough to run any operating system with root rights you should expect and accept that these things will happen from time to time.
ps, CCP please add this scenario to your test cases for next time
What test cases? Testing, what's that??
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:10:00 -
[178]
Originally by: Useless alt
The only question I have about all of this is how on earth could a patch system mess about with a boot.ini file? Because:
- The file is not part of your system
- There is no reason to try and update/alter it
- There should under no circumstance be a 'del C:\boot.ini' command in any program
D:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\boot.ini
There is a file the Eve uses called boot.ini. Why name it that? Good question. Lucky for me my install was on D: drive while my OS was on C:
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:12:00 -
[179]
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 09:17:02
Originally by: Alex Wildstar
I'm sorry, but what in the hell is CCP doing with code that even goes NEAR the boot.ini file? It has absolutely NOTHING TO DO with the game, it only has to do with passing the location of the OS boot files to the NT loader. There is absolutely no reason for them to have any code to muck around with this at all. This is almost right up there, with an "un-install" program years back in the Dos era that just deleted the C:\ Drive
But as we all know CCP devs don't make ANY mistakes at all, which is why they don't need testers.. Bah... Every other software company on the planet has testers to test their software before it releases, because DEVS MAKE LOUSY TESTERS, they are too arrogant and full of themselves, and only believe a program will be used one way.
Anyone that is giving CCP a pass on this doesn't have any knowledge of software development. This is absolutely idiotic...
It's like going to the doctor to treat a cold, and getting your arm chopped off.
I'm tired of CCP just saying, oh sorry, we screwed up, you can't play the game for hours/days, and no you won't get a refund of time lost because of our screwups. Oh and ship movement sounds is busted, but I guess the Devs didn't notice, because they were too busy congratulating themselves on whatever.
Bah..
There are always mistakes made, this just so happens to be a _bad_ one.
EVE uses a file itself called boot.ini (bad idea, as someone else said, lets hope they dont use a file called grub.ini (linux)!!!), and what I imagine is, whoever made the updater method must have been thinking of C:\BOOT.INI instead of the one that relates to EVE, and in the updater method they made it delete c:\boot.ini instead of wherever the ini that relates to EVE was.
Oops
Edit: okay maybe they werent thinking of c:\boot.ini, but merely left out the full path of the boot.ini file relating to eve.
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Hoizon
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:16:00 -
[180]
could someone please put the recovery/fix procedure in simple terms. Because seriously I dont have a ******* clue what im doing when I mess with the system **** and I dont want to **** my comp OS up more than CCP already has.
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WhiteSavage
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:16:00 -
[181]
My heart goes out to all CCP. You guys are great, and your response to the issue has been fast. Nevertheless:
Quote:
WTF 1: Naming a game data file "boot.ini"
WTF 2: Accidentally adding a backslash, resulting in the patch deleting "\boot.ini", aka "C:\boot.ini".
WTF 3: This getting through QA and ending up in a patch run by up to two hundred thousand people.
WTF 4: The fact that Windows allows applications to overwrite boot.ini.
http://forums.worsethanfailure.com/forums/thread/139056.aspx
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:19:00 -
[182]
Edited by: Garborg on 06/12/2007 09:20:32
BIG mistakes do happen. I feel sorry for CCP and hope they recover quickly from this.
I was in a training class for communication routing equipment. My instructor was showing us commands on the interface... then said now NEVER EVER EVER type "del *.*" as he typed it in. He turned around and explained how it deletes the entire routing database and it would cause hugh problems. He spun back around as hit the enter key. And just stopped, turned pale white and said ****.
Comms weren't fully restored for 6 hours.
I can imagine how the programmer who made this opps feels.
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Lite Beam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:21:00 -
[183]
Edited by: Lite Beam on 06/12/2007 09:21:43
I downloaded the Classic version in the game...then i downloaded the Premium version in the game....but, i didn't
push the "accept button" because i had heard about the missing boot.ini file problem.
So, I should be OK right? As long as I haven't accepted the Premium download?
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:22:00 -
[184]
Originally by: Garborg
Edited by: Garborg on 06/12/2007 09:20:32
BIG mistakes do happen. I feel sorry for CCP and hope they recover quickly from this.
I was in a training class for communication routing equipment. My instructor was showing us commands on the interface... then said now NEVER EVER EVER type "del *.*" as he typed it in. He turned around and explained how it deletes the entire routing database and it would cause hugh problems. He spun back around as hit the enter key. And just stopped, turned pale white and said ****.
Comms weren't fully restored for 6 hours.
I can imagine how the programmer who made this opps feels.
Cisco?
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Section Five
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:23:00 -
[185]
Originally by: nonamenoname
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
Are you guys running Media Center Edition? I'm running that and I've been immune.
I'm running xp media edtion and seem to be unaffected as well.
Any techies got reasons for this?
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Abbala Brutori
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:23:00 -
[186]
Why in the world you ppl are messing around with our boot files and OS files I don't ****'in know. But I will say this. if enough ppl, or some people experience enough loss from this. IE. very time sensitive or other important data. People are going to start file'ing civil lawsuits for damages.
Wouldn't be surprised to see this on Yahoo's homepage.
- Abbala - Victim of Boot Deletion.
Its like my computer is being drained by 4 heavy nuets. I can't do anything but just sit and stare.
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Traandus
Amarr
ECP Rogues
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:24:00 -
[187]
Anybody have the idea 'till now for an SABOTAGE???
I think that this one is too BAD to have been just a mistake.
This is to hard to believe that they can be so lousy.
Hope that is an error made with a purpose to denigrate CCP and the new "face" of EVE...
Sorry about that.
(I am using MacBookPro and another machine with XP x64, so, that doesn't effect me... I hope!)
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:24:00 -
[188]
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 09:25:09
Originally by: Helldrek Demonstar
Originally by: nonamenoname
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
Are you guys running Media Center Edition? I'm running that and I've been immune.
I'm running xp media edtion and seem to be unaffected as well.
Any techies got reasons for this?
I can only presume that if you have both Windows and EVE installed on the same drive and partition that Windows Media Edition uses a similiar boot method to Vista, which is run through x:\boot\
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Alitha Maru
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:31:00 -
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Edited by: Alitha Maru on 06/12/2007 09:31:34
Ok, I'll try again. Since I am at work I can not check this yet, but just to be sure of whatever:
I have dualboot, XP and Vista. XP is on partiton 1, Vista on 2. EVE is installed on the E partition. When I upgraded I was in Vista. So that means I should be safe, yes?
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Spork Witch
Gallente
Free Mercenaries Union
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:31:00 -
[190]
I don't know what caused the issue in the first place, and to be honest, I can't think of what they could have done to cause it (but it wouldn't be the first time something completely random has happened, Windows does weird stuff sometimes.) The bigger issue is this: regardless of what CCP did, IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH THE FILE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If Windows came even close to being a decent OS, it wouldn't allow arbitrary modification of system critical files without confirmation. Granted the average ****** (i.e. 99% of the people that have access to computers) would just click accept anyway, but it should have at least come up saying something was trying to mess with it. Windows is the only OS I know of to ever allow ANYTHING to touch system files without permission.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but the blame isn't all on CCP either, since if MS did their job right for once it wouldn't have been possible in the first place. |
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Ralle030583
Gallente
Mystic Lion Hearts
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:31:00 -
[191]
the first (and pherhaps last) time im glad to have VISTA..
You need a free Killboard?
check: http:\\www.eve-kill.net
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
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Sleepkevert
Rionnag Alba
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:32:00 -
[192]
Originally by: Ralle030583
the first (and pherhaps last) time im glad to have VISTA..
Aye...
How the hell did this happen anyway CCP?
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Trinkets
Minmatar
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:33:00 -
[193]
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
Why in the world you ppl are messing around with our boot files and OS files I don't ****'in know. But I will say this. if enough ppl, or some people experience enough loss from this. IE. very time sensitive or other important data. People are going to start file'ing civil lawsuits for damages.
Wouldn't be surprised to see this on Yahoo's homepage.
- Abbala - Victim of Boot Deletion.
Its like my computer is being drained by 4 heavy nuets. I can't do anything but just sit and stare.
Look at the eula you accepted before installing
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:33:00 -
[194]
Originally by: More Tono
Looks like i sit and wait for my computer geek brother to drop by when he has time and fix CCP's ****up (sigh) Cause i am clueless
More Tono dude it's easy, I will help you here, lets just verify that you have have a boot.ini file or not, go to Start, click run then type: cmd <hit enter>
Then type: cd\ <hit enter>
Then: attrib <hit enter>
Does it show boot.ini in the list?
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:33:00 -
[195]
Edited by: Frier Tuck on 06/12/2007 09:36:27
Ok everyone, nice to know the players sound just like the ones on other games I have played.
NOW, I run windows 2000 pro, how can a untech like me find out if I lost my boot.ini file or not???? eve is on my E:\ drive not my C:\ drive but I want to make very sure as I don't know a thing about fixing a PC.
Thank you all
PS thanks to the person in the post above mine I have found that I do indeed have my boot.ini file,
THANK YOU! I worry too much and I don't need that with my high blood pressure.
Merry Christmas
Tuck
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:35:00 -
[196]
Originally by: Frier Tuck
Ok everyone, nice to know the players sound just like the ones on other games I have played.
NOW, I run windows 2000 pro, how can a untech like me find out if I lost my boot.ini file or not???? eve is on my E:\ drive not my C:\ drive but I want to make very sure as I don't know a thing about fixing a PC.
Thank you all
Frier Tuck, check my post above
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Saru Kada
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:36:00 -
[197]
for the computer illiterate, an illustrated guide to fixing this problem on windows XP. note that this guide assumes you have not yet restarted your computer. if you have, that's a whole other story.
** note: all links are pictures. if the text instructions alone are making your head spin, the pictures should help clear up some of the confusion **
STEP 1
hit your start menu button, it should look something like this. click on the "Run" tab, and you should see this window pop up. type "cmd" (without quotations) into that box, like what it shows in the picture, and hit ok. you should see something like this. don't worry if the text doesn't exactly match up with the picture; that's irrelevant.
now type
find "" C:\boot.ini
(with the quotation marks) and hit enter. two things can happen here:
a) ---------- C:\BOOT.INI shows up.
- congratulations, you're not affected! you can now reboot safely.
b) File not found - C:\boot.ini shows up.
- you've been affected. keep reading!
STEP 2
go to your start menu again, right click "My Computer", and click on Properties. it should look like this. note the part circled in red; REMEMBER WHAT IT SAYS THERE. it might say "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" like in the picture, or "Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition. whatever it says there, write it down somewhere. we're going to need it soon.
STEP 3
go to your start menu and click on "Run" again like we did in STEP 1. this time, instead of typing in "cmd" like we did above, type in "notepad" and hit enter. you should now see this. input the following lines into the blank space:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="<<<SEE NOTE BELOW>>>" /fastdetect
now, VERY IMPORTANT: see where it says <<<SEE NOTE BELOW>>>? take that and replace it with what we took down in STEP 2. the quotation marks stay; depending on what you took down in STEP 2 the following pictures should help:
I got "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" in Step 2.
I got "Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" in Step 2.
when that's done, click on "File" in the top left corner, and on the drop-down menu, click "Save As...". you should see a standard save window; select (C:) from the "Save in:" drop-down menu on the top. at the bottom, type in "boot.ini" under "File name:", and under the "Save as type:" drop-down menu select "All Files". again, use the picture for reference if necessary. finally, hit "Save" then close notepad. you're almost there!
STEP 4
go to the start menu, "Run", type in "cmd", and hit enter (as in STEP 1). in the window that pops up, type:
cd c:\
and hit enter. a new line should display that simply says "C:\>". now type:
attrib +s +h +a boot.ini
and hit enter. another new "C:\>" should pop up again. you're done!
STEP 5
this is for verification only. go to start menu and "Run", and type in "msconfig" and hit enter. follow the instructions in this picture. if it doesn't say you're OK, post up.
last note:
- this assumes C:\ is system partition
- stole some ideas from this thread. thanks to them too.
- am i missing anything?
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Spork Witch
Gallente
Free Mercenaries Union
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:37:00 -
[198]
Been a while since I messed around with my grub.ini, but if it gets deleted it shouldn't matter (not to mention it isn't stored in / anyway, so it's not like a mistake like this would get it targeted.) As i recall, you load the grub.ini into the boot sector itself, or another partition, don't you (again, it's been a while)? The one in the regularly accessible directory is just the reference for you to modify, but then you have to reload it into the boot section.
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:40:00 -
[199]
Sack the person in ccp that caused this problem.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:42:00 -
[200]
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 09:42:19
Originally by: Spork Witch
Been a while since I messed around with my grub.ini, but if it gets deleted it shouldn't matter (not to mention it isn't stored in / anyway, so it's not like a mistake like this would get it targeted.) As i recall, you load the grub.ini into the boot sector itself, or another partition, don't you (again, it's been a while)? The one in the regularly accessible directory is just the reference for you to modify, but then you have to reload it into the boot section.
You're okay with grub, it's a file related to EVE called boot.ini that caused this whole mess up!
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Lithillian Baedwean
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:42:00 -
[201]
For XP Media Center Edition your boot.ini file should read exactly this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
Hope this helps.
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Logi3
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:42:00 -
[202]
Last time something like this happened, i had to reinstall to get my dual boot working again. As XP would not come up as an option to boot in, only Vista.
Anyone running a dual boot ?
I have Vista on one 1 HD, XP on another and all games on a sep partition to the OS's
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Excessum Mortis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:46:00 -
[203]
this reminds me of the story from a CTO of a large company (that shall not be named and no it's not CCP).
that company had developed some linux software and were testing it out before release only to find out it completely messed up the operating system, upon further testing of the issue they found out that when the software was deleting it's temporary files it was doing a command equivalent to "rm -rf /" instead of deleting from the temp directory ^^
I'm a computer whiz and was not affected by this (always keep a backup of your important system files)
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:48:00 -
[204]
so just to confirm, restoring to a system restore point WILL fix this. correct?
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jokerb
Caldari
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:49:00 -
[205]
CCP
Hopefully the poor guys that didn't know and shutdown their machines for the night will not be trashed too badly.
I'd like to propose a nice level V in a skill as compensation
And yes my poor little machine was a victim of Mr. Murphy's sloppy typing.
A Big THANK YOU to all the guys from the community for stepping up with solutions.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:50:00 -
[206]
Originally by: EvilSpork
so just to confirm, restoring to a system restore point WILL fix this. correct?
Yeah, so long as the restore point is before the patch :)
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bluecabs
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:51:00 -
[207]
ok now this is about the worst thing ive ever seen. Alot of people without the technical savy are screwed by this, it will cost money for them to get their computers back up and going. No doubt the technical people they take it too will overcharge them and screw them over or worse tell them the data is unrecoverable. CCP u should be ashamed and first of all even an apology would be a good start!
Shame on you CCP, Shame!
Do you not test things anymore? obviously not!
Shame on you CCP, Shame!
You have also dealt with it very poorly
Shame on you CCP, Shame!
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Tal Shakaat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:51:00 -
[208]
Hi there,
i've read 4 pages and I hope that question is new. I have 2 (two) OS on my system. Both Windows XP. Don't ask why.
Should be there any problem with the boot.ini because of that two OS ? Or can I make it like written before? At this time my computer is still running (I hope) and downloading the premium upgrade. I'm at work and want to be sure that I can fix my boot.ini as explained also with my two OS.
Thanks in advance.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:54:00 -
[209]
Originally by: Tal Shakaat
Hi there,
i've read 4 pages and I hope that question is new. I have 2 (two) OS on my system. Both Windows XP. Don't ask why.
Should be there any problem with the boot.ini because of that two OS ? Or can I make it like written before? At this time my computer is still running (I hope) and downloading the premium upgrade. I'm at work and want to be sure that I can fix my boot.ini as explained also with my two OS.
Thanks in advance.
Have you patched it already? If not, the backup you create of boot.ini will be fine to restore after you have patched it (even though the new patch does not delete boot.ini)
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:54:00 -
[210]
Edited by: EvilSpork on 06/12/2007 09:56:23
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: EvilSpork
so just to confirm, restoring to a system restore point WILL fix this. correct?
Yeah, so long as the restore point is before the patch :)
its from two days ago. thank god for SOMETHING causing a restore point.
i had a customized boot.ini i made through nLite a year ago and i dont have access to the custom windows install disk right now... i would have been boned.
edit: this needs to be in the first post as an easy fix. most people with a big box brand computer will have customized boot.ini files and be screwed. they need to do this. also, its more of a non-techy friendly solution.
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Seryius
3B Legio IX
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:54:00 -
[211]
Saru Kada guide works for me, I have boot.ini after restarted, thanks mate :)
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Exsalisis
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:58:00 -
[212]
Originally by: EvilSpork
Edited by: EvilSpork on 06/12/2007 09:56:23
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: EvilSpork
so just to confirm, restoring to a system restore point WILL fix this. correct?
Yeah, so long as the restore point is before the patch :)
its from two days ago. thank god for SOMETHING causing a restore point.
i had a customized boot.ini i made through nLite a year ago and i dont have access to the custom windows install disk right now... i would have been boned.
edit: this needs to be in the first post as an easy fix. most people with a big box brand computer will have customized boot.ini files and be screwed. they need to do this. also, its more of a non-techy friendly solution.
Do check using start>run>msconfig after system-restoring though, doesn't hurt to be sure.
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Tal Shakaat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 09:59:00 -
[213]
Originally by: Huldradans
Have you patched it already? If not, the backup you create of boot.ini will be fine to restore after you have patched it (even though the new patch does not delete boot.ini)
I've patched it to trinity classic. At this time my computer is downloading the premium upgrade. dunno if the upgrade to premium installed itself? I'm at work so I can check it in about 8 hours.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:00:00 -
[214]
Originally by: Sleepkevert
Originally by: Ralle030583
the first (and pherhaps last) time im glad to have VISTA..
Aye...
How the hell did this happen anyway CCP?
lazy coding.
they didnt use the full path when they deleted eve's boot.ini, instead just deleted boot.ini from the current directory, which defaulted to the root, instead of the eve folder somehow.
if they just had it delete c:\games\eve\boot.ini or whatever it wouldnt have happened.
also if ccp had any competent QA testers they would have caught this bug days ago. SHAME ON THE CCP QA DEPARTMENT!
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:02:00 -
[215]
Edited by: EvilSpork on 06/12/2007 10:06:24
Originally by: Exsalisis
Originally by: EvilSpork
Edited by: EvilSpork on 06/12/2007 09:56:23
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: EvilSpork
so just to confirm, restoring to a system restore point WILL fix this. correct?
Yeah, so long as the restore point is before the patch :)
its from two days ago. thank god for SOMETHING causing a restore point.
i had a customized boot.ini i made through nLite a year ago and i dont have access to the custom windows install disk right now... i would have been boned.
edit: this needs to be in the first post as an easy fix. most people with a big box brand computer will have customized boot.ini files and be screwed. they need to do this. also, its more of a non-techy friendly solution.
Do check using start>run>msconfig after system-restoring though, doesn't hurt to be sure.
system restore has a copy of boot.ini backed up. that should be fine.
also posting in a quote pyramid.
and lastly CCP had better cover any and all repair costs to peoples computers who are not techies and dont have a means to fix it themselves.
i fully expect checks to be issued to those who incur real life money costs from this and something in game to compensate wouldnt hurt either.
edit: oops double post, sorry. should have combined them.
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Grimm Myn
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:03:00 -
[216]
I havent installed the Premium upgrade on my machine at home but i'll make a backup of my boot.ini before installation.
How did this happen?
Pretty easy, CCP have named one of their files BOOT.INI (In the CCP\EVE\ folder) which gets deleted during the patching.
*Sigh*
CCP, why did you name one of your files the same as an important system file? Every PC geek knows about boot.ini and whats it for.
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Shiver Bathory
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:03:00 -
[217]
Just to confirm for other 64-bit users (sorry if this has already been posted) that we are affected also. I use 64 bit with SP2 and my boot.ini has also gone missing. 
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Krima Sumyungi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:05:00 -
[218]
Edited by: Krima Sumyungi on 06/12/2007 10:06:49
Originally by: Trinkets
Look at the eula you accepted before installing
If people incur damages to their comps or files ( such as having to pay a shop to fix it, lose valuable data due to reinstalling, etc.), that EULA is't going to do anything to protect CCP. They accessed the root drive and changed system files. Accident, negligence, or a combo of both doesn't matter in this case.
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Zey Nadar
Gallente
Jade Phoenix Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:06:00 -
[219]
Quote:
As others have already said, this is NOT TRUE. All versions of NT/2k/XP/2003 are affected. However, you're "immune" to this bug if you have EVE installed on a different drive/partition than the system.
Whew, this explains. Good thing that I dedicate C drive on all my computers now to purely system and such stuff.
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Incto Daxtron
Gallente
KFM Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:07:00 -
[220]
It really is so sad to see people mentioning that they want recompense for damage to their systems. By the sounds of things, these people would just as soon sue their neighbour for breaking and entering after they'd been rescued from a burning building.
On EVE, if you go to the Esc menu and then on the "About Eve" tab, right at the bottom you'll see this..
"THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS ôAS ISö AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE FOUNDATION OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE."
To those who don't quite understand it, read it as this:
"USE THIS SOFTWARE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!".
Just because you bought something doesn't mean it'll always be perfect. Ok so it was a pretty major thing thats happened, but there has been support forthcoming (both from devs and the public alike) and as most people should know there are normally some issues that come with a standard update, let alone a complete rebuild like this one is.
A big pat on the back to all those out there who have helped the others who would otherwise be stuck up a creek without a paddle - me included!
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Sergej Koroljov
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:08:00 -
[221]
Players that have EVE on different partition than Win XP are not affected with this.Checked that on my PC and on my second PC (that 2 PC have different XP versions)
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:10:00 -
[222]
Edited by: EvilSpork on 06/12/2007 10:12:22
Originally by: Incto Daxtron
It really is so sad to see people mentioning that they want recompense for damage to their systems. By the sounds of things, these people would just as soon sue their neighbour for breaking and entering after they'd been rescued from a burning building.
On EVE, if you go to the Esc menu and then on the "About Eve" tab, right at the bottom you'll see this..
"THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS ôAS ISö AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE FOUNDATION OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE."
To those who don't quite understand it, read it as this:
"USE THIS SOFTWARE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!".
Just because you bought something doesn't mean it'll always be perfect. Ok so it was a pretty major thing thats happened, but there has been support forthcoming (both from devs and the public alike) and as most people should know there are normally some issues that come with a standard update, let alone a complete rebuild like this one is.
A big pat on the back to all those out there who have helped the others who would otherwise be stuck up a creek without a paddle - me included!
who cares what the EULA says, its what is RIGHT. a company like this that messes up like this should step up and fix their mistake. in this case helping people pay for the fixes. not only is it good business but its good rep. and after something like this how many thousands of people will no longer trust CCP at all unless they come out and say the effed up and do everything they can to fix it and make it right.
edit: i can fix this for my own system just fine, so i gain nothing from CCP paying for peoples systems to be fixed. other less tech savvy people do.
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Robin Erik
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:12:00 -
[223]
Muhahaha!
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Mox Kaleb
Caldari
Omega Point Logistics
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:13:00 -
[224]
Anyone able to confirm that its the actual installation of the Classic to Premium patch that causes the problem with the boot.ini file, rather than the subsequent use of the Eve client itself?
I patched last night, turned off after a quick look a the new look Eve, and went to bed. This morning sure enough PC wouldn't boot. Fixed it by creating a new boot config, loaded up Eve to find that it was the patch that caused it.
So, my question, when I turn off my PC at the end of today, will I be affected again? Or was it just the installation process that caused the problem?
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Tucan SonOfSam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:14:00 -
[225]
Edited by: Tucan SonOfSam on 06/12/2007 10:16:19
So I'm wondering, has the QA department been fired yet
A big thank you to the EVE COMMUNITY (those who are covering their asses for this monumental screw up, not so much) for helping people recover their systems.
Has the lazy slob of a coder that wrote this **** code been fired along with the QA department yet (Yes I'm saying it again)
Time to fork out some cash to the people that need help repairing their computers.
To the devs I'd suggest a blanket party for the guy that killed what should have been your crowning achievement. I really do feel sorry for you guys that did your job and got screwed by this (not the QA department, you get an F-).
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Trik Aya
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:14:00 -
[226]
Windows XP Home SP2, rebooted to a "boot.ini not found" error, but windows loaded normally afterwards. Followed steps to restore file from the "users who have NOT rebooted", and all is well : )
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:15:00 -
[227]
Edited by: Vikarion on 06/12/2007 10:15:20
Originally by: bluecabs
ok now this is about the worst thing ive ever seen. Alot of people without the technical savy are screwed by this, it will cost money for them to get their computers back up and going. No doubt the technical people they take it too will overcharge them and screw them over or worse tell them the data is unrecoverable. CCP u should be ashamed and first of all even an apology would be a good start!
Shame on you CCP, Shame!
Do you not test things anymore? obviously not!
Shame on you CCP, Shame!
You have also dealt with it very poorly
Shame on you CCP, Shame!
?!?
Are you trying to be sarcastic, or does your corny posting stupidity come naturally? Do you think wagging your finger and acting like you caught someone's dog piddling in the park is going to make anyone think you have a valid opinion?
Yes, it's a bad bug. Yes, it should have been caught. Yes, everything should be perfect. And a lot of people are going to be seriously inconvenienced by this.
That's right, inconvenienced. Put out. Annoyed. Irritated. But unless someone is truly clueless, they aren't going to take their computer outside and start hitting it with a sledgehammer. Is it bad? Certainly. Could it have been avoided? Almost certainly. But that can be said for almost any bug.
I worked as a programmer for some time, both for fun and in business. It never failed to amaze me how easily some bugs managed to fly under the radar.
Ok, I'm done with the rational discussion part. Now comes the flaming of the poster I quoted.
First, you, bluecabs, betray an inability to understand the simplest conventions of the English language. Inmagine, someone criticizing someone else for forgetting a single slash, while filling their post with things like "Alot", and "u", and too many "o"s in "to". This incredible case of malfeasance could have been entirely avoided by spending a little time checking their spelling.
Second, your intelligence is obviously deficient, not that that couldn't be gathered already from your inability to correctly capitalize or spell. Your assumptions that all computer repairmen are idiots or crooks would be hilarious, if it didn't betray the insect-like immature semi-cynicism that pre-pubescent twelve-year-olds are known for. Of course, this is hardly a surprise - the poster obviously failed to notice the rather quick and informative response by both CCP and the EvE community to this bug. Why, if you weren't playing EvE or reading the forums, you wouldn't have known about it at all! How dare CCP not sponsor a nationwide calling campaign - organized within fifteen minutes, mind you - to inform everyone about this imminent danger to their lives and honor?
But what you really have to appreciate about this poster is their inability to recognize the fact that the rest of us are, contrary to their apparent belief, able to remember a phrase such as "shame on you CCP", for more then .5 seconds. Why, if they hadn't repeated it three times, I'd have completely forgotten about the fact that they think CCP needs to be addressed like a misbehaving wiener dog.
...ok, I'm done.
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:16:00 -
[228]
Originally by: Mox Kaleb
So, my question, when I turn off my PC at the end of today, will I be affected again? Or was it just the installation process that caused the problem?
it was just the installation process, so don't worry, it won't happen again.
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:17:00 -
[229]
Originally by: EvilSpork
lazy coding.
they didnt use the full path when they deleted eve's boot.ini, instead just deleted boot.ini from the current directory, which defaulted to the root, instead of the eve folder somehow.
if they just had it delete c:\games\eve\boot.ini or whatever it wouldnt have happened.
also if ccp had any competent QA testers they would have caught this bug days ago. SHAME ON THE CCP QA DEPARTMENT!
Shame on you Spork... you know what they'd get if it deleted "C:\games\Eve\boot.ini"? A bunch of boot.ini files that don't get removed... because you are forgetting 1 major part. NOT EVERYONE INSTALLS TO THE SAME LOCATION! <CORPMATE SLAPS SPORK> Bad Spork, Bad.
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Boceta
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:18:00 -
[230]
Have a simple question: How can I verify that my BOOT.INI is still there and ok? I open My computer and select C:\ (with show hidden files selected) and see no Boot.ini. Yet when I oipen msconfig in 'run' or try to copy a backup to C:\ it ask if I want to replace existing one created today? MSCONFIG also has a Boot.ini tab and all looks fine.
Thanks.
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Tucan SonOfSam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:20:00 -
[231]
Originally by: Incto Daxtron
It really is so sad to see people mentioning that they want recompense for damage to their systems. By the sounds of things, these people would just as soon sue their neighbour for breaking and entering after they'd been rescued from a burning building.
On EVE, if you go to the Esc menu and then on the "About Eve" tab, right at the bottom you'll see this..
"THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS ôAS ISö AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE FOUNDATION OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE."
To those who don't quite understand it, read it as this:
"USE THIS SOFTWARE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!".
Just because you bought something doesn't mean it'll always be perfect. Ok so it was a pretty major thing thats happened, but there has been support forthcoming (both from devs and the public alike) and as most people should know there are normally some issues that come with a standard update, let alone a complete rebuild like this one is.
A big pat on the back to all those out there who have helped the others who would otherwise be stuck up a creek without a paddle - me included!
LOL, thats funny. Lets see that stand up in and American court. EULA's only go so far, and people have a protected consumer right to expect the product to work properly so long as they use it properly. Which in this case they did. So you're just....dumb.
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Krima Sumyungi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:20:00 -
[232]
Originally by: Incto Daxtron
It really is so sad to see people mentioning that they want recompense for damage to their systems. By the sounds of things, these people would just as soon sue their neighbour for breaking and entering after they'd been rescued from a burning building.
On EVE, if you go to the Esc menu and then on the "About Eve" tab, right at the bottom you'll see this..
"THIS SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED BY THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND CONTRIBUTORS ôAS ISö AND ANY EXPRESS OR IMPLIED WARRANTIES, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE ARE DISCLAIMED. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE FOUNDATION OR CONTRIBUTORS BE LIABLE FOR ANY DIRECT, INDIRECT, INCIDENTAL, SPECIAL, EXEMPLARY, OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, PROCUREMENT OF SUBSTITUTE GOODS OR SERVICES; LOSS OF USE, DATA, OR PROFITS; OR BUSINESS INTERRUPTION) HOWEVER CAUSED AND ON ANY THEORY OF LIABILITY, WHETHER IN CONTRACT, STRICT LIABILITY, OR TORT (INCLUDING NEGLIGENCE OR OTHERWISE) ARISING IN ANY WAY OUT OF THE USE OF THIS SOFTWARE, EVEN IF ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGE."
To those who don't quite understand it, read it as this:
"USE THIS SOFTWARE AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!".
Just because you bought something doesn't mean it'll always be perfect. Ok so it was a pretty major thing thats happened, but there has been support forthcoming (both from devs and the public alike) and as most people should know there are normally some issues that come with a standard update, let alone a complete rebuild like this one is.
A big pat on the back to all those out there who have helped the others who would otherwise be stuck up a creek without a paddle - me included!
I'd do some research on the legality of accessing the root directory of a persons computer without their knowledge before getting comfortable with the whole "EULA protects CCP" thing.
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Barter Town
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:20:00 -
[233]
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
The banality.... I don't really know where to start, but here it goes:
1. Your final paper is due in a matter of hours/tomorrow and you're still working on it? Well, CCP didn't make you procrastinate.
2. If your files were important you would have backed them up, or even emailed drafts/PDF's/etc. to yourself. It's simple. Even middle school students are able to grasp this.
3. If you're under the gun with a deadline, why are you playing a game?
How's that for constructive?
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:21:00 -
[234]
Originally by: Boceta
Have a simple question: How can I verify that my BOOT.INI is still there and ok? I open My computer and select C:\ (with show hidden files selected) and see no Boot.ini. Yet when I oipen msconfig in 'run' or try to copy a backup to C:\ it ask if I want to replace existing one created today? MSCONFIG also has a Boot.ini tab and all looks fine.
Thanks.
You not only have to show "system files", you also have to pick the option that allows you to see protected operating system files. This is because previous versions of Windows assumed that people were not idiots, and that assumption was incorrect. So now they make you basically click something twice.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:22:00 -
[235]
Edited by: EvilSpork on 06/12/2007 10:22:33
Originally by: proclaimed HERETIC
Originally by: EvilSpork
lazy coding.
they didnt use the full path when they deleted eve's boot.ini, instead just deleted boot.ini from the current directory, which defaulted to the root, instead of the eve folder somehow.
if they just had it delete c:\games\eve\boot.ini or whatever it wouldnt have happened.
also if ccp had any competent QA testers they would have caught this bug days ago. SHAME ON THE CCP QA DEPARTMENT!
Shame on you Spork... you know what they'd get if it deleted "C:\games\Eve\boot.ini"? A bunch of boot.ini files that don't get removed... because you are forgetting 1 major part. NOT EVERYONE INSTALLS TO THE SAME LOCATION! <CORPMATE SLAPS SPORK> Bad Spork, Bad.
they could pull the path that the patch is installing to and use that, instead of an open ended /boot.ini...
of even better USE A DIFFERENT BLOOODY FILENAME!!
edit: watch out with the talking bad about me, i might blow up your apoc again and laugh! HA!
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Ritooria
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:22:00 -
[236]
Originally by: Saru Kada
STEP 4
go to the start menu, "Run", type in "cmd", and hit enter (as in STEP 1). in the window that pops up, type:
cd c:\
and hit enter. a new line should display that simply says "C:\>". now type:
attrib +s +h +a boot.ini
and hit enter. another new "C:\>" should pop up again. you're done!
great guide - just curious as to what this step does exactly?
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N1fty
Amarr
Galactic Shipyards Inc
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:22:00 -
[237]
I love how this mostly affects people who don't know much about computers; most savvy people will have put EVE on a different partition or drive to their OS.
I would suggest to anyone who thinks they don't know anything about computers that they read very carefully the instructions provided by the devs. Its very step-by-step and short of using hand-puppets its easy to understand.
And I dont see how CCP's QA department missed this, I think the whole team needs to have the words 'EPIC FAIL' branded onto their foreheads.
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Roxanne
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:22:00 -
[238]
Edited by: Roxanne on 06/12/2007 10:23:25
CCP, this belongs on the front page of your website. I cannot fathom how you cannot warn your customers at first possible opportunity. You need to put a big, red warning on your webpage, with detailed instructions on how to fix the problem even for non-geeks.
This is somewhat serious, and putting it in an obscurely named thread in the forum that not everyone will read is very bad customer support. You are quick to announce positive stuff on your website, so you should be quick to help your customers, too.
This is your mistake, and while I will not blame you for it, I expect you to go to any lengths to fix it.
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Boceta
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:23:00 -
[239]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Boceta
Have a simple question: How can I verify that my BOOT.INI is still there and ok? I open My computer and select C:\ (with show hidden files selected) and see no Boot.ini. Yet when I oipen msconfig in 'run' or try to copy a backup to C:\ it ask if I want to replace existing one created today? MSCONFIG also has a Boot.ini tab and all looks fine.
Thanks.
You not only have to show "system files", you also have to pick the option that allows you to see protected operating system files. This is because previous versions of Windows assumed that people were not idiots, and that assumption was incorrect. So now they make you basically click something twice.
Thanks for the info. Now assume I am an IDIOT and give me a step by step guide for verifying I have a valid BOOT.INI for Windows Profesional?
Thanks
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:23:00 -
[240]
Edited by: Saru Kada on 06/12/2007 10:24:10
Originally by: Boceta
Have a simple question: How can I verify that my BOOT.INI is still there and ok? I open My computer and select C:\ (with show hidden files selected) and see no Boot.ini. Yet when I oipen msconfig in 'run' or try to copy a backup to C:\ it ask if I want to replace existing one created today? MSCONFIG also has a Boot.ini tab and all looks fine.
Thanks.
step 1. nothing fools dos!
alternatively, if you want to err on the side of caution you can overwrite what's there with your backup from \windows\pss (remember to remove the .backup if you do).
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Brammers
Snake Eyes Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:24:00 -
[241]
Ok I left my Eve install to patch itself up to premium using the built in background download in the Eve client overnight, rather than patching it from the web page. I logged in this morning to see the warning messages from my corp members and alliance members.
I checked my boot.ini, and it was still there, and I've successfully rebooted my PC this morning.
I'm running Windows XP SP2, running Eve on a different drive G:\ I don't know if this combination saved my boot.ini from being nuked.
What I am wondering is the premium update you download ingame slightly different to the one from the webpage?
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Drachma Golea
Caldari
Egnop
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:25:00 -
[242]
Indeed lazy coding:
Bootstrapping was shortened to booting, or the process of starting up any computer, which is the most common meaning for non-technical computer users. The verb "boot" is similarly derived.
So the program does not boot, it executes, CCP should never have named the file boot.ini...
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Tucan SonOfSam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:25:00 -
[243]
Originally by: Roxanne
Edited by: Roxanne on 06/12/2007 10:23:25
CCP, this belongs on the front page of your website. I cannot fathom how you cannot warn your customers at first possible opportunity. You need to put a big, red warning on your webpage, with detailed instructions on how to fix the problem even for non-geeks.
This is somewhat serious, and putting it in an obscurely named thread in the forum that not everyone will read is very bad customer support. You are quick to announce positive stuff on your website, so you should be quick to help your customers, too.
I was just wondering the same thing.
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Thenoran
Caldari
Frontier Economics
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:26:00 -
[244]
I run on Media Center Edition with SP2, Windows is on C: and EVE is on D:, can I safely upgrade from Client to Premium (by using the ingame thingy at Graphics setting)?
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TheSysX
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:27:00 -
[245]
Originally by: Saru Kada
...very sensible stuff...
Saru .. Excellent break down of the required steps .. most players will be able to fix this problem.
Originally by: Lost of Disgruntled pilots
...rants & insults...
Come on people .. it's not like your PC burned down and don't act like stuff hasn't changed that drastically before..!!
Oke some pilots see ISK to 'POP' because they invested it BPO's or whatever, while others are more fortunate.. well that's bloody live .. Virtual or Real ..
Get over it and enjoy the hard work CCP has put into this patch/extension..
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:27:00 -
[246]
this is very interesting.
I was able to reboot my system after I installed content patch.
yes I dloaded it through the website.
yes I didn't had any boot.ini when I booted up the computer.
however it booted.
dunno why tho, but must be related to the fact that I use custom boot screens instead the windows one, since when I booted the pc I was surprised to see the old standart boot screen instead the angel one I had for like years.
but I fixed the boot.ini screen and it seems to be ok now.
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MotorNerve
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:27:00 -
[247]
I can't believe that no one noticed this. If you actually READ what the installer is DOING it says in plain English "Delete:Boot.ini" That is actually how I noticed and FIXED this problem before I even read the forum. I have nothing but love for CCP but come on guys... Don't be the next EA. |
Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:27:00 -
[248]
Originally by: Ritooria
Originally by: Saru Kada
STEP 4
go to the start menu, "Run", type in "cmd", and hit enter (as in STEP 1). in the window that pops up, type:
cd c:\
and hit enter. a new line should display that simply says "C:\>". now type:
attrib +s +h +a boot.ini
and hit enter. another new "C:\>" should pop up again. you're done!
great guide - just curious as to what this step does exactly?
this step is actually optional, as all it does is add the system (+s), hidden (+h), and archive (+a) properties that the original boot.ini had to begin with. still, a good idea overall - better safe than sorry, and all that.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:27:00 -
[249]
Originally by: N1fty
I love how this mostly affects people who don't know much about computers; most savvy people will have put EVE on a different partition or drive to their OS.
I would suggest to anyone who thinks they don't know anything about computers that they read very carefully the instructions provided by the devs. Its very step-by-step and short of using hand-puppets its easy to understand.
And I dont see how CCP's QA department missed this, I think the whole team needs to have the words 'EPIC FAIL' branded onto their foreheads.
i resent that!
i also somewhat agree... if i wasnt dealing with a laptop and very limited storage i would have done that..
on the QA part... the QA department needs a banner that says "12.5.07 Never Forget"
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Neal Cassady
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:28:00 -
[250]
well i rebooted, i dont have an xp disk, and linux is ****in greek to me. guess i gotta call the goddamn geek squad tomorrow or something. this is ******* ridiculous.
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Thenoran
Caldari
Frontier Economics
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:28:00 -
[251]
I run on Media Center Edition with SP2, Windows is on C: drive and EVE is on D: drive, can I safely upgrade from Client to Premium (by using the ingame thingy at Graphics setting)?
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:29:00 -
[252]
Originally by: Boceta
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Boceta
Have a simple question: How can I verify that my BOOT.INI is still there and ok? I open My computer and select C:\ (with show hidden files selected) and see no Boot.ini. Yet when I oipen msconfig in 'run' or try to copy a backup to C:\ it ask if I want to replace existing one created today? MSCONFIG also has a Boot.ini tab and all looks fine.
Thanks.
You not only have to show "system files", you also have to pick the option that allows you to see protected operating system files. This is because previous versions of Windows assumed that people were not idiots, and that assumption was incorrect. So now they make you basically click something twice.
Thanks for the info. Now assume I am an IDIOT and give me a step by step guide for verifying I have a valid BOOT.INI for Windows Profesional?
Thanks
Heh, no, you aren't an idiot, the people that would go in and delete the entire Windows directory to "gain more space" were idiots. The solution to finding your boot file is pretty simple. Open the C: drive folder, click "tools", then "folder options" then click the "view" tab. Then click the option to "show hidden files and folders", then, under that, uncheck the "Hide protected operating system files".
Then just look on the C: drive for boot.ini
There you go!
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Fabrica
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:30:00 -
[253]
Microsoft remove the "kill switch" from vista, and CCP installs it on XP :)
Thanks for the info, but i upgraded last night and shutdown and the post about this problem wasnt available till 0600 this morning. I guess i wont know if i'm in trouble until i get home.
Do you know where my XP install disk is?
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:31:00 -
[254]
Edited by: proclaimed HERETIC on 06/12/2007 10:33:35
Originally by: Boceta
Have a simple question: How can I verify that my BOOT.INI is still there and ok? I open My computer and select C:\ (with show hidden files selected) and see no Boot.ini. Yet when I oipen msconfig in 'run' or try to copy a backup to C:\ it ask if I want to replace existing one created today? MSCONFIG also has a Boot.ini tab and all looks fine.
Thanks.
If you read about 6 pages previous, you'd see that I made a small open source app that checks if your boot.ini is there, and if not, will attempt to restore it from a known backup.
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Neal Cassady
Mutually Assured Distraction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:32:00 -
[255]
wtb: xp install disk
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:32:00 -
[256]
Originally by: Fabrica
Microsoft remove the "kill switch" from vista, and CCP installs it on XP :)
Thanks for the info, but i upgraded last night and shutdown and the post about this problem wasnt available till 0600 this morning. I guess i wont know if i'm in trouble until i get home.
Do you know where my XP install disk is?
No, but you can always try borrowing someone else's...maybe you can get into DOS with it. I sympathize with you.
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Zerron Kovar
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:32:00 -
[257]
Honestly this is a highly bizarre error from a professional software company. It shows a lack of even the most basic of software QA. I agree, that for the technical among us it is not a difficult error to repair. For most of the player base, it could be nightmare.(Costing them money for technical support, and so forth)
Very, very not cool.
Just as a side comment, who's brilliant idea was it to name a game .ini file the same as a fairly important system .ini file? Not exactly the brightest moment there. Not to mention the lack of using a basic chroot style path for all file access.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:32:00 -
[258]
Originally by: Thenoran
I run on Media Center Edition with SP2, Windows is on C: drive and EVE is on D: drive, can I safely upgrade from Client to Premium (by using the ingame thingy at Graphics setting)?
you were safe from the start, and the patch for download now is fixed anyway.
this only effected you if you downloaded the patch right after it was made available.
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Tucan SonOfSam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:33:00 -
[259]
And so it hits the news:
EVE Online Update Cripples Windows XP, Developers Urge Caution
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Incto Daxtron
Gallente
KFM Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:33:00 -
[260]
Originally by: EvilSpork
who cares what the EULA says, its what is RIGHT.
The EULA is there to exemplify a company against accidental damage done to a computer. It's not like a car going wrong for a few thousand people where its easy to do a product recall and recompense families after the problem has been found. Installing any software to a computer comes at a risk because the chances of machines being identical nowadays is rather rare, so there may well be installation problems - hence the EULA.
Originally by: EvilSpork
a company like this that messes up like this should step up and fix their mistake. in this case helping people pay for the fixes. not only is it good business but its good rep. and after something like this how many thousands of people will no longer trust CCP at all unless they come out and say the effed up and do everything they can to fix it and make it right.
That would be great except one thing - how does CCP know that it really affected someone? If it was so easy for them to accidentally delete boot.ini, surely almost anyone would be able to delete it themselves and claim that this patch did it, then go for the gold? The only way CCP could prevent anyone from trying it on is to not pay out anything at all. Sad? Yes, but its the only way forward without having 50,000 people claiming that their systems are useless when perhaps just 5% of those are genuine cases.
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Kayodaishii
Shadow Stalkers Organization
Dread Sovereign
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:33:00 -
[261]
I have Xp media center, and guess what, my boot.ini file is missing... what do I write at the end of the document???
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:33:00 -
[262]
Originally by: Zerron Kovar
Honestly this is a highly bizarre error from a professional software company. It shows a lack of even the most basic of software QA. I agree, that for the technical among us it is not a difficult error to repair. For most of the player base, it could be nightmare.(Costing them money for technical support, and so forth)
Very, very not cool.
Just as a side comment, who's brilliant idea was it to name a game .ini file the same as a fairly important system .ini file? Not exactly the brightest moment there. Not to mention the lack of using a basic chroot style path for all file access.
That's what makes me wonder. I mean, that's like naming something IO.SYS or COMMAND.COM back in the days of DOS. Sheesh.
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Chee
Minmatar
hirr
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:34:00 -
[263]
The patch deleted the wrong boot.ini
That means the one that was supposed to be deleted is still there in the eve folder. Should I go ahead and delete it as part of need4speed thingie from ccp?
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:34:00 -
[264]
Originally by: Thenoran
I run on Media Center Edition with SP2, Windows is on C: drive and EVE is on D: drive, can I safely upgrade from Client to Premium (by using the ingame thingy at Graphics setting)?
yes, but I would recommend re-downloading the premium patch/full patch anyway or at the very least backing up your boot.ini file (and renaming the backup!) prior to installation, followed by another check after installation to see if it's still there.
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:36:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Kayodaishii
I have Xp media center, and guess what, my boot.ini file is missing... what do I write at the end of the document???
... multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /fastdetect
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:38:00 -
[266]
Edited by: proclaimed HERETIC on 06/12/2007 10:40:10
Wow... all these complaining people, yet they don't bother to read the thread.
Most complaints have been exhausted, damn near to the same wording.
While we are at the repetitive nature of things, Oh... BTW guys... the new patch had a problem.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:39:00 -
[267]
Edited by: EvilSpork on 06/12/2007 10:41:08
Originally by: Incto Daxtron
That would be great except one thing - how does CCP know that it really affected someone? If it was so easy for them to accidentally delete boot.ini, surely almost anyone would be able to delete it themselves and claim that this patch did it, then go for the gold? The only way CCP could prevent anyone from trying it on is to not pay out anything at all. Sad? Yes, but its the only way forward without having 50,000 people claiming that their systems are useless when perhaps just 5% of those are genuine cases.
im sure if CCP wanted to they could figure out a way to do it.
its not my job to think of that way though
Originally by: Kayodaishii
I have Xp media center, and guess what, my boot.ini file is missing... what do I write at the end of the document???
uh.. read the first post dude.
Originally by: proclaimed HERETIC
the new patch had a problem.
lies. all lies. there is nothing wrong with eve. everything is fine. nothing to see here. there is no problem.
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Sylfamas
Caldari
Making Our Way to Stars
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:41:00 -
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thx ccp. You could've announced this through an alert in-game. Well i'll have to reinstall windows apparently. Again thank you, ccp. Btw: i have windows xp sp2, so it affects all versions of windows
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:41:00 -
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I think I can help this.
If you downloaded the premium content patch, and you have windows XP, and EvE is on the same hard drive that Windows is on, do not turn off your computer. It will not start again. Instead, follow the directions in the first post. Period. Whining will make your computer burst into flames.
Think that will help?
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Exphexis
m3 Corp
Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:41:00 -
[270]
The link http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/
This worked perfectly, one thing to note is that your computer will of reverted back to the US keyboard layout so if you are not from the US or you dont know the US keyboard layout that needs to be changed before running the recovery process, i believe you press enter on the initial boot-up and it will allow you to edit your keyboard setup.
Once this recovery was done the PC worked fine.
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NL Nataku
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:42:00 -
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I installed the update last night and read about the boot.ini bug right before i went to bed. The thing is it was still there.
And yes i am running XP (Pro version though maybe its just home edition effected i dunno dont blame me for not reading the entire topic) with SP2 but my boot.ini is still were its suppose to be.
Gonna update my eve client on my other pc in a minute see if it happens there.
Greetz Nata
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:42:00 -
[272]
Originally by: Sylfamas
thx ccp. You could've announced this through an alert in-game. Well i'll have to reinstall windows apparently. Again thank you, ccp. Btw: i have windows xp sp2, so it affects all versions of windows
Don't uninstall Windows. You don't need to. Just fix it with the fixes posted at the top of the thread.
And they did alert people in game. I know, because I was alerted.
And it only affects Windows XP, if it's on the same hard drive as EvE.
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EvilSpork
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:42:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Vikarion
I think I can help this.
If you downloaded the premium content patch, and you have windows XP, and EvE is on the same hard drive that Windows is on, do not turn off your computer. It will not start again. Instead, follow the directions in the first post. Period. Whining will make your computer burst into flames.
Think that will help?
also note that it only applies if you downloaded the patch within the first ~2 hours of its release. after that it was fixed.
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:44:00 -
[274]
Gah, Evilspork, you found me making a mistake.  First time ever.
BTW, love the name.
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NL Nataku
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:45:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Vikarion
I think I can help this.
If you downloaded the premium content patch, and you have windows XP, and EvE is on the same hard drive that Windows is on, do not turn off your computer. It will not start again. Instead, follow the directions in the first post. Period. Whining will make your computer burst into flames.
Think that will help?
O that explains alot since none of my games are on my C drive it only hold my program files and windows.
Greetz Nata
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Marco Tilnar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:47:00 -
[276]
Thanks for the warning 8h after my windows install crashed... You just wasted my windows install (well at least my option to boot it) until I get back home where my install is - in a few months. Maybe I can solve this with MacFuse but I havent figured it out yet.
1) Why are you even touching my boot.ini? I cant think of when I agreed to that.
2) I expect some sort of compensation for this. I'm now stuck in os x with the crappy os x client if I want to play and that's kinda not all I do as I use windows and os x on a daily work basis.
Feel free to come by and fix this or snailmail me another windows install. You have my email and expect you to contact me to resolve this issue.
Best regards,
a _very_ unhappy customer
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:47:00 -
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I really wonder how long it will take everyone to figure out they are posting the same boot.ini file regardless of XP type.
Only difference is the prompt label between all of them.... geeeeeezzzzzzzzz.
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Lew Djarum
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:49:00 -
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I'm running XP SP2. I upon upgrading to the premium pack had some graphics issues so I rebooted. Much to my surprise I received the error "hal.dll missing or corrupt from c:/windows/system32" I booted from CD and could see from DOS that the file was still there. I checked the forums from another computer and there was no sign that anyone else was having any issues. I called a friend who said that he had not upgraded yet, but also did not see anything on the forums about my issue. Figuring that I was either an isolated case or that some weird coincidence was happening, I tried to copy a duplicate hal.dll into my system32 directory. Needless to say it didn't work, and I spent 5+ hours doing a clean install, blaming Windows the entire time.
I'm just completely dumbfounded. How CCP doesn't stumble across the WHOOPSIE our patch erases important system files on the most abundant operating system in the world, when people upgrade the most logical way. Perhaps instead of wasting resources making videos touting their ability to make a station out of 8 billion polygons, they could have actually tested the upgrade on the operating system that a large percentage of their paying customers use.
Congratulations to your quality control team. They handled this with all the competence of an Aboriginal tribe constructing a Ferris wheel out of cheese.
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:50:00 -
[279]
chk the left nav bar for "EVE Client"... that's the full DL.
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Takumi Vetinari
Amarr
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:51:00 -
[280]
Originally by: N1fty
I love how this mostly affects people who don't know much about computers; most savvy people will have put EVE on a different partition or drive to their OS.
Pardon me, but why? I don't find that programs on the boot partition have a significant, detrimental affect on system performance, so, pray tell, why would savvy people put EVE elsewhere?
A slightly trite, sweeping generalisation, to my mind.
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Krima Sumyungi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:51:00 -
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Nice first impression for those who waited for Trinity to hit before giving the game a try. I'm sure alot of first time trial accounts have decided not to subscribe because of this fiasco, especially if their comps were affected.
GG CCP.
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:53:00 -
[282]
Originally by: Lew Djarum
I'm just completely dumbfounded. How CCP doesn't stumble across the WHOOPSIE our patch erases important system files on the most abundant operating system in the world, when people upgrade the most logical way. Perhaps instead of wasting resources making videos touting their ability to make a station out of 8 billion polygons, they could have actually tested the upgrade on the operating system that a large percentage of their paying customers use.
Congratulations to your quality control team. They handled this with all the competence of an Aboriginal tribe constructing a Ferris wheel out of cheese.
Thank you Captain Obvious for that tid bit of knowledge that was never shared before. Your being part of the problem, not the solution.
Is anyone still down?
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Alitha Maru
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:54:00 -
[283]
Pretty please, with sugar on top, can anyone give me a response on my post here?
No one has even mentioned dual-boot systems.
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:55:00 -
[284]
Originally by: Krima Sumyungi
Nice first impression for those who waited for Trinity to hit before giving the game a try. I'm sure alot of first time trial accounts have decided not to subscribe because of this fiasco, especially if their comps were affected.
GG CCP.
Um, no one who downloaded the new client was affected. Only those who upgraded.
::bites tongue::
And for the other poster, many people put EvE and other HD intensive games on a separate HD to A. speed up access times, and B. ease of use. I sure like that set-up.
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proclaimed HERETIC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:56:00 -
[285]
Originally by: Krima Sumyungi
Nice first impression for those who waited for Trinity to hit before giving the game a try. I'm sure alot of first time trial accounts have decided not to subscribe because of this fiasco, especially if their comps were affected.
GG CCP.
They can try their hands at World of Warcraft, and we'll be seeing them back next Tuesday.
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:57:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Alitha Maru
Pretty please, with sugar on top, can anyone give me a response on my post here?
No one has even mentioned dual-boot systems.
Alitha, I don't have experience with dual-boots, but you are almost certainly fine. Boot up in Vista and check the XP partition for boot.ini if you're worried, but it'll be pretty easy to fix even if it got deleted, since you can just boot in Vista.
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Alitha Maru
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:58:00 -
[287]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Alitha Maru
Pretty please, with sugar on top, can anyone give me a response on my post here?
No one has even mentioned dual-boot systems.
Alitha, I don't have experience with dual-boots, but you are almost certainly fine. Boot up in Vista and check the XP partition for boot.ini if you're worried, but it'll be pretty easy to fix even if it got deleted, since you can just boot in Vista.
Thank you for your reply, I can rest easier now
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Johncrab
Minmatar
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:58:00 -
[288]
Oh boy... I'm at work and having a slight panic attack here
I updated from classic to premium just before coming to work. Then I shut down my PC eager to try the new graphics when I return home later. And now I'm reading that, most likelly, I won't be able to even turn my PC on. Not to mention my work and all the files I have there...
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b1zz
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Posted - 2007.12.06 10:59:00 -
[289]
Can I remove my current installed version of Eve and not lose anything? Is anything of importance stored locally?
And why haven't they removed the option to update Eve if it's such a huge problem?
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:00:00 -
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1. My XP Pro SP2 was fine. Game's installed on the windows, and another HD. No issues, thank ****.
2. GJ to the coder that though it was amusing to write del boot.ini in the patch. Look at you, you and your brilliant ideas.
3. /me wonders how many new people were driven away by the incompetence associated with this. I wonder how many people are sitting at home this sec with a fuxozerd PC trying to get it working, and can't. wtg. wtfg.
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Darcha
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:00:00 -
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well, my windows should have died but I guess it didn't. I have xp sp2 and eve is installed on c:\ and I lost my boot.ini from my root but it booted like it always has. remade the file and it's all fine.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:00:00 -
[292]
Edited by: Meiyang Lee on 06/12/2007 11:02:04
Originally by: b1zz
Can I remove the old Eve client and not lose my character?
Is there a link to the full Trinity download so I can load the game from scratch?
Chars are stored on the server, not locally i believe. And installing a full build on top of your current one won't overwrite your cache anyway, just the main EVE directory.
On the top-left of the screen, click "EVE Client", then select your OS and then "Premium Graphics Content" and download. That's the full client with the new graphics. Install over your current build and all will be fine. If you're on the classic one, don't patch it with the new graphics until CCP confirms its alright.
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:01:00 -
[293]
Originally by: b1zz
Can I remove my current installed version of Eve and not lose anything? Is anything of importance stored locally?
And why haven't they removed the option to update Eve if it's such a huge problem?
Why delete it? It won't hurt anything. And they already removed the offending patch. It was the premium content, not the regular game or the trinity regular patch.
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:01:00 -
[294]
Originally by: Sylfamas
thx ccp. You could've announced this through an alert in-game. Well i'll have to reinstall windows apparently. Again thank you, ccp. Btw: i have windows xp sp2, so it affects all versions of windows
if you've already restarted your computer and don't have access to a windows xp disk, a floppy boot disk can get you into DOS (assuming you have a floppy drive). rough outline of steps:
step 1: make a windows xp boot disk. you can use a friend's/coworker's/etc computer for this, as long as it's running windows xp. for instructions on how, look here under Create MS-DOS bootable diskette.
step 2: make a boot.ini file as according to step 3 here and copy it onto a second floppy disk. noet that where it says <<<see note below>>>, if you don't know what operating system you're running, simply substitute in anything you want (a simple "Microsoft Windows XP" will suffice). this line is actually purely descriptive and only for use in the BIOS display on dual/multiboot systems. just write something indicative of what OS you actually have (presumably XP in this case). make sure you label this disk in order to not get it mixed up with the boot disk you made in step 1.
step 3: on your computer's startup, go into BIOS (by mashing on the delete button in most cases) and change your boot priorities to A: first. it's hard to explain exactly how as this will vary from computer to computer, so grab a computer-savvy buddy over to help on this part (anybody with more than a passing knowledge of BIOS will know how, even over-the-phone tech support).
step 4: put in your boot disk (the one made in step 1) and restart your computer. after a bit of technical gibberish it should end up in DOS, and will say something like "C:\>". at this point, remove your boot disk and insert the second disk (the one you made in step 2). give it a few seconds, then type:
copy "a:\boot.ini" "c:\boot.ini"
and hit enter. after it's finished, it should say something along the lines of "1 file(s) copied." at this point, remove the floppy, and restart your computer. it should work!
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b1zz
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:03:00 -
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Originally by: Derelicht
3. /me wonders how many new people were driven away by the incompetence associated with this. I wonder how many people are sitting at home this sec with a fuxozerd PC trying to get it working, and can't. wtg. wtfg.
Well if they were new you'd assume they downloaded the full client and so avoided the problem.
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:03:00 -
[296]
Originally by: proclaimed HERETIC
I really wonder how long it will take everyone to figure out they are posting the same boot.ini file regardless of XP type.
Only difference is the prompt label between all of them.... geeeeeezzzzzzzzz.
shhhhhhh.
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Darcha
Republic University
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:04:00 -
[297]
Originally by: b1zz
Can I remove my current installed version of Eve and not lose anything? Is anything of importance stored locally?
And why haven't they removed the option to update Eve if it's such a huge problem?
Use your explorer to browse to
C:\Documents and Settings\<your curent user>\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE\settings
Assuming c:\ is the drive for your windows install.
save the contents of that folder seperately and then u can reinstall eve.
This shouldn't really be necassery but better to be safe then sorry
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Krima Sumyungi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:06:00 -
[298]
Originally by: Vikarion
Originally by: Krima Sumyungi
Nice first impression for those who waited for Trinity to hit before giving the game a try. I'm sure alot of first time trial accounts have decided not to subscribe because of this fiasco, especially if their comps were affected.
GG CCP.
Um, no one who downloaded the new client was affected. Only those who upgraded.
Yes, this stops them from hearing and seeing the problems created by CCP and thinking they might not wanna see what comes next that might affect them. Like I said, regardless if they were directly affected, it's their first impression of the game and its devs, and how the situation is handled. Such as, any warning or statements on the front page yet? Nope.
Originally by: proclaimed HERETIC
They can try their hands at World of Warcraft, and we'll be seeing them back next Tuesday.
If CCP shares your viewpoint, I'm sure the game will continue to prosper. /sarcasm
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Den enjen
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:06:00 -
[299]
Edited by: Den enjen on 06/12/2007 11:07:01
If your kind of found of your work and other files, you won't save them in the standard directory's of windows. You save them on a separate partition. It's one of the basics of computer use. This in case of a virus or such (or an update)
Sure, CCP should have caught this bug. But still, a lot of solutions are available.
Just don't let the mass hype you up. Stay calm and look for the solution instead of shouting murder death kill without trying to solve this.
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Flashheart
Caldari
Dangermouse Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:06:00 -
[300]
Jeez... I can't wait to tell the blokes at work about a commercial patch that deleted c:\boot.ini ...
They will say I'm making it up.
I work for Sophos, maybe I submit it as a critical threat :)
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Antiquus Altercor
Minmatar
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:10:00 -
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I can confirm that Win2k has the same issue also. And that replacing your boot.ini from your backup drive image fixes the problem easily.
my boot,ini looks like this: (modified boot timer for OS selection with 3 second wait)
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=03
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect /usepmtimer
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NL Nataku
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:11:00 -
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Edited by: NL Nataku on 06/12/2007 11:11:44
Be concerned about all the people that downloaded the patch en never read the forums and restarted and are now looking at a windows that wont start up.
Esspecially when they are not handy with pc's in general. Can you imagine the things you will hear in local chat from those people once they get back and you tell them eve removed a critical but simply replaced system file, while they reinstalled their windows..
Hmm ccp really will need to have a good anwser for that one.
Easy for me to say though since i was never struke down by this but i can imagine i would not be laughing if it did.
Greetz Nata
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:12:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Krima Sumyungi
Yes, this stops them from hearing and seeing the problems created by CCP and thinking they might not wanna see what comes next that might affect them. Like I said, regardless if they were directly affected, it's their first impression of the game and its devs, and how the situation is handled. Such as, any warning or statements on the front page yet? Nope.
...Are you insane? CCP isn't trying to "hide" this problem after deliberately causing it. The damage is already done, and the offending patch was REMOVED. GONE. FINIS!
And no one - that means 0 (null) people who downloaded the premium Trinity client were affected. ONLY PEOPLE WHO UPGRADED THE REGULAR CLIENT TO TRINITY AND PREMIUM GRAPHICS ARE AFFECTED.
No warnings are needed because they got rid of the offending program. It is gone!
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:13:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Antiquus Altercor
I can confirm that Win2k has the same issue also. And that replacing your boot.ini from your backup drive image fixes the problem easily.
my boot,ini looks like this: (modified boot timer for OS selection with 3 second wait)
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=03
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect /usepmtimer
Hmm. My mistake. Of course, I think I can be forgiven, seeing as EvE isn't supposed to work with Windows 2K at all.
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Gauln Kerensky
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Marco Tilnar
Thanks for the warning 8h after my windows install crashed... You just wasted my windows install (well at least my option to boot it) until I get back home where my install is - in a few months. Maybe I can solve this with MacFuse but I havent figured it out yet.
1) Why are you even touching my boot.ini? I cant think of when I agreed to that.
2) I expect some sort of compensation for this. I'm now stuck in os x with the crappy os x client if I want to play and that's kinda not all I do as I use windows and os x on a daily work basis.
Feel free to come by and fix this or snailmail me another windows install. You have my email and expect you to contact me to resolve this issue.
Best regards,
a _very_ unhappy customer
Well, not like it's going to help or anything, but here is an explanation as to why they touched boot.ini:
Alright, in the folder for EVE is a file called boot.ini (poorly named). It contains the following
[main]
role=client
aid=0
server=Tranquility
port=26000
edition=premium
which is important info to keep track of, to be sure.
Anyway, with the premium update, one command the patcher executes is delete boot.ini. They probably (certainly) meant the one in the EVE folder, but due to a typo (probably a / or \ in the wrong spot) managed to delete boot.ini right on the C drive. As to why this didn't show up in QA beats me. It probably has to do with them not testing the actual patching program as much as they would have tested the content. They probably assumed the method of patching is pretty solid considering they have been doing it for years.
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:13:00 -
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Great job CCP! Amazing indeed. Seriously.
For some reason I'm not affected even though I should be, luckily, or I would have lost a serious amount of cash now (own company and I had to send in some files today before 12:00)
But to be honest, fire your Q&A department.
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Darko1107
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:14:00 -
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I upgraded yesterday, since then i went to bed thus turned off my pc. I turned it on today, no boot.ini file, but it booted up alright anyway and i have no problems.
... Thats a bit weird right?
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:15:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Darko1107
I upgraded yesterday, since then i went to bed thus turned off my pc. I turned it on today, no boot.ini file, but it booted up alright anyway and i have no problems.
... Thats a bit weird right?
Do you use 2 hard drives? Do you use Vista?
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corporal hicks
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:17:00 -
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Same thing happened to me :( phoned xps support and the tech talked me through rebuilding the boot.ini in under 5 mins cost me 50 cents, cant complain.
for anyone not computer savey ect phoneing tech support for your pc manufacturer or Microsoft support should get you sorted fast. Just have your windows disk at hand.
" Stay Frosty "
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Vikarion
United Heavens
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:20:00 -
[310]
Originally by: corporal hicks
Same thing happened to me :( phoned xps support and the tech talked me through rebuilding the boot.ini in under 5 mins cost me 50 cents, cant complain.
for anyone not computer savey ect phoneing tech support for your pc manufacturer or Microsoft support should get you sorted fast. Just have your windows disk at hand.
Wow. You mean, your head didn't explode trying to assimilate all that knowledge? You, sir, are an aberration: a genius amongst beings of crude matter. Who ever considered that people might actually call tech supp...
Ok, fine. Sorry. But will everyone stop acting like it's the end of the world as we know it?
Props to hicks for the "Aliens" reference and for being smart, without dramatics.
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:21:00 -
[311]
Edited by: Saru Kada on 06/12/2007 11:22:42
Originally by: Darko1107
I upgraded yesterday, since then i went to bed thus turned off my pc. I turned it on today, no boot.ini file, but it booted up alright anyway and i have no problems.
... Thats a bit weird right?
your computer should default to c:\windows and will try to boot from there if it can't find boot.ini. not entirely unexpected, and extremely helpful at times like these.
remember to rebuild your boot.ini file anyway though, plenty of instructions on how to do that in this thread
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Antiquus Altercor
Minmatar
Phoenix Propulsion Labs
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:24:00 -
[312]
Originally by: Vikarion
Hmm. My mistake. Of course, I think I can be forgiven, seeing as EvE isn't supposed to work with Windows 2K at all.
LOL about .1% of programs that say 'XP' won't work with Win2k. Win2k = WinXP-bloat.
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Tyr Vaantau
Amarr
Peregrin Avionics
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:24:00 -
[313]
I think I'm OK because my computer is a HP and it had a recovery partition with the Boot.ini in it.
But I really don't know. The computer started up fine without any hitches or problems....that I could see...
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Tarh Assiliof
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:25:00 -
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Edited by: Tarh Assiliof on 06/12/2007 11:27:00
I've just try mistake theory.
del boot.ini don't work (file not found)
del c:\boot.ini don't work (file not found)
del /A:H c:\boot.ini don't work (acces refused)
del /F /AH c:\boot.ini finally work !
So why putting "/F /AH" to delete a little boot.ini in eve directory ?
Is it really a mistake ?
You have been boot scrambled !
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Leon 026
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:25:00 -
[315]
I had the issue this morning.
Issue was resolved by doing a system restore, then downloading the EVE Premium CLIENT (not the classic-to-client patch)
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:27:00 -
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If you have lost your boot.ini windows can still boot under the following condition.
If you windows installation is on the first Partition on the First hard drive (this is the default location for windows).
In this case, Windows will report that the boot.ini file is missing but will still find the installation and continue loading.
If your windows is install else where (such as in the case where your PC/Laptop manufacturer has created a "Restore" petition on the first petition then windows will not boot.
As to the detection of this to even see that the file is missing involves using special command line tools or turning on viewing of both "Hidden" file and "System" files.
If you have not done this the first time you will notice is when you reboot your machine. And we do not shutdown or reboot our machines often as they run tests after hours.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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Minmei Lin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:28:00 -
[317]
Serious question:
Where do I send the repair bill to? CCP North America or CCP Iceland?
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:28:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Tarh Assiliof
Edited by: Tarh Assiliof on 06/12/2007 11:27:00
I've just try mistake theory.
del boot.ini don't work (file not found)
del c:\boot.ini don't work (file not found)
del /A:H c:\boot.ini don't work (acces refused)
del /F /AH c:\boot.ini finally work !
So why putting "/F /AH" to delete a little boot.ini in eve directory ?
Is it really a mistake ?
You have been boot scrambled !
May be by default the installer itself removes all attributes before it deletes a file.
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Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:30:00 -
[319]
CCP Pete this is karma
The time you ignored me and dismissied me so easily and now i hope its ur job on the line.
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Solomon XI
Caldari
Dawn of Chaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:31:00 -
[320]
@ CCP:
In order civilized cultures, when someone has failed as miserably as you have, they would throw themselves onto their swords.
That being said.
I had to restore my PC because of this fiasco. I was unable to read the forums and therefore thought it was a Windows error. Come to find, you guys screwed up. Because of this error on your part, I've lost a lot of data. I can't understand how you guys allowed this major bug to slip by you. Under the EULA, you're not obligated in any way to compensate us for our loss. I, however, hope that you do. And in a creative way, at that.
I apologize if I came off a little rude in the beginning of this. I'm simply venting and you guys make a good target right now.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:31:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Minmei Lin
Serious question:
Where do I send the repair bill to? CCP North America or CCP Iceland?
No one.
You can all complain as much as you want, but shi* happens, CCP will pay big time in terms of publicity for this mistake. It isn't an issue which erases everything you own, nor destroy your hardware, maybe then I would understand, but it's something that is easily fixable, albeit an annoyance.
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:31:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Tarh Assiliof
Edited by: Tarh Assiliof on 06/12/2007 11:27:00
I've just try mistake theory.
del boot.ini don't work (file not found)
del c:\boot.ini don't work (file not found)
del /A:H c:\boot.ini don't work (acces refused)
del /F /AH c:\boot.ini finally work !
So why putting "/F /AH" to delete a little boot.ini in eve directory ?
Is it really a mistake ?
You have been boot scrambled !
You would assume that this would hold true, but to install software into the "Program Files" directory you need admin permissions and a process that has this can delete the file with no warnings.
You see that was our thinking when it was reported ... "Can't be." Windows does not allow you to delete that file ... but it does.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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Alitha Maru
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
Deep Space Engineering
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:33:00 -
[323]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
If you have lost your boot.ini windows can still boot under the following condition.
If you windows installation is on the first Partition on the First hard drive (this is the default location for windows).
In this case, Windows will report that the boot.ini file is missing but will still find the installation and continue loading.
If your windows is install else where (such as in the case where your PC/Laptop manufacturer has created a "Restore" petition on the first petition then windows will not boot.
As to the detection of this to even see that the file is missing involves using special command line tools or turning on viewing of both "Hidden" file and "System" files.
If you have not done this the first time you will notice is when you reboot your machine. And we do not shutdown or reboot our machines often as they run tests after hours.
Well I'm at work, so I can't check. But my first partition has XP on it, and my second has Vista. I upgraded from Vista, which meant that C:\ partition had Vista on it, D:\ partition contained XP and I had installed EVE on the E:\ partition.
I do not know how that upgrade program was written, but if it was made to delete boot.ini on the C-partition specifically I guess I am ok since all boot-files is then stored on D. Right?
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Reax Grim
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:34:00 -
[324]
mm mine booted up fine... altho eve is in its own partition so that may have helped the matter.
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Vigerus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:34:00 -
[325]
System: Windows 2003 Server
Disk: 2xdisks in RAID 0
Problem: cant boot
Message got from the system:
boot.ini not found
booting from default directory C:\WINDOWS
file C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntoskrnl.exe not found
Please help because its my work computer also :/
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JaLooNz
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:35:00 -
[326]
Will CCP consider not using system filenames the next time round? This is especially true of system files in the root directory like autoexec.bat, boot.ini and other similar files.
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Tarh Assiliof
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:36:00 -
[327]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Originally by: Tarh Assiliof
Edited by: Tarh Assiliof on 06/12/2007 11:27:00
I've just try mistake theory.
del boot.ini don't work (file not found)
del c:\boot.ini don't work (file not found)
del /A:H c:\boot.ini don't work (acces refused)
del /F /AH c:\boot.ini finally work !
So why putting "/F /AH" to delete a little boot.ini in eve directory ?
Is it really a mistake ?
You have been boot scrambled !
You would assume that this would hold true, but to install software into the "Program Files" directory you need admin permissions and a process that has this can delete the file with no warnings.
You see that was our thinking when it was reported ... "Can't be." Windows does not allow you to delete that file ... but it does.
I have administration right on my computer.
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:37:00 -
[328]
Originally by: b1zz
Originally by: Derelicht
3. /me wonders how many new people were driven away by the incompetence associated with this. I wonder how many people are sitting at home this sec with a fuxozerd PC trying to get it working, and can't. wtg. wtfg.
Well if they were new you'd assume they downloaded the full client and so avoided the problem.
When I say new I don't mean they started yesterday, but a few weeks, or months. In which case they patched like everyone else.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:37:00 -
[329]
Originally by: Alitha Maru
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
If you have lost your boot.ini windows can still boot under the following condition.
If you windows installation is on the first Partition on the First hard drive (this is the default location for windows).
In this case, Windows will report that the boot.ini file is missing but will still find the installation and continue loading.
If your windows is install else where (such as in the case where your PC/Laptop manufacturer has created a "Restore" petition on the first petition then windows will not boot.
As to the detection of this to even see that the file is missing involves using special command line tools or turning on viewing of both "Hidden" file and "System" files.
If you have not done this the first time you will notice is when you reboot your machine. And we do not shutdown or reboot our machines often as they run tests after hours.
Well I'm at work, so I can't check. But my first partition has XP on it, and my second has Vista. I upgraded from Vista, which meant that C:\ partition had Vista on it, D:\ partition contained XP and I had installed EVE on the E:\ partition.
I do not know how that upgrade program was written, but if it was made to delete boot.ini on the C-partition specifically I guess I am ok since all boot-files is then stored on D. Right?
From what I've read, you'd be correct. Presume the updater first defines the partition that EVE is installed on, which would set the variable %InstalledDrive%, for example, then when it came to deleting the file [%InstalledDrive%](always defined)\%EVEPath%\boot.ini, but in this case the error was just \boot.ini which would obviously read [%InstalledDrive%]\boot.ini - so in your case, E:\boot.ini which does not exist.
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:44:00 -
[330]
Edited by: General M0BIUS on 06/12/2007 11:54:34
I Demand some Compensation for this **** up. For the people that are not tech minded then a total rebuild is required for them, those who know how to repair the boot file its still not a situation one should be in.
I have only just read the announcement at 11:30am and i'm at work so I donÆt know if my PC will be affected. Either way CCP should offer some sort of compensation either by giving a free month sup or something in game.
Bloody Noobs!!
In my job if we gave a PC build out to a customer with something as Serious as this you can bet that heads would roll and we would have to ensure that our customer was fully compensated for the Inconvenience.
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Sovereign533
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:46:00 -
[331]
Originally by: nonamenoname
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
Are you guys running Media Center Edition? I'm running that and I've been immune.
i'm also running MCE... but it still got popped =s
thank god i never turn my laptop off ;)
checked 8 times now... and windows says that my new boot.ini is ok =D
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:48:00 -
[332]
I had a reply from a Dev (cant find it again doh) that all problems of download have been solved with the patch. I hope you dont mind if I say I am not convinced and I for one am not downloading this patch untill I get some cast iron gurantee that it not going to screw up my oporating system. I share this machine with my wife and children and I could not even think of the grief I would get if I screwed it up - or should say if CCP scrwed it up. So I will be playing other games for some days until this stuff has been solved. I am seriously questioning why I am paying money to a company that could treat it's customers with such lack of care.
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Tyr Vaantau
Amarr
Peregrin Avionics
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:48:00 -
[333]
Originally by: Den enjen
Edited by: Den enjen on 06/12/2007 11:40:24
Originally by: Solomon XI
@ CCP:
In order civilized cultures, when someone has failed as miserably as you have, they would throw themselves onto their swords.
That being said.
I had to restore my PC because of this fiasco. I was unable to read the forums and therefore thought it was a Windows error. Come to find, you guys screwed up. Because of this error on your part, I've lost a lot of data. I can't understand how you guys allowed this major bug to slip by you. Under the EULA, you're not obligated in any way to compensate us for our loss. I, however, hope that you do. And in a creative way, at that.
I apologize if I came off a little rude in the beginning of this. I'm simply venting and you guys make a good target right now.
Again, why save files on the same partition as windows!?
People cry that they lost work... That's your own fault.
Never never never save files on the same partition windows is on.
This could also happen with a virus, so be happy that you favourite game helped you out here and protected you for the future.
Here's a good answer: Because not everyone knows everything about computers. Stop being so elitist.
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CCP Lingorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:48:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Huldradans
For the sake of removing old EVE files, would your updater not first remove all attributes associated with the files it's about to modify/erase/etc, as I said above?
Our files are not actually flagged with either the read-only, hidden or similar so we do not need to unset these flags before deleting them. Thus we do not.
CCP Lingorm
CCP Quality Assurance
QA Engineering Team Leader
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:50:00 -
[335]
Originally by: Wimwyn
I had a reply from a Dev (cant find it again doh) that all problems of download have been solved with the patch. I hope you dont mind if I say I am not convinced and I for one am not downloading this patch untill I get some cast iron gurantee that it not going to screw up my oporating system. I share this machine with my wife and children and I could not even think of the grief I would get if I screwed it up - or should say if CCP scrwed it up. So I will be playing other games for some days until this stuff has been solved. I am seriously questioning why I am paying money to a company that could treat it's customers with such lack of care.
the full trinity client didn't have this problem to begin with so you could always download that and install it. boot.ini was a pre-trinity file and was removed in trinity for NFS purposes, so the full client won't bother trying to delete a file on an install that isn't there to begin with.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:51:00 -
[336]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Originally by: Huldradans
For the sake of removing old EVE files, would your updater not first remove all attributes associated with the files it's about to modify/erase/etc, as I said above?
Our files are not actually flagged with either the read-only, hidden or similar so we do not need to unset these flags before deleting them. Thus we do not.
Ah okay, just checking if it was a precaution you took in case customers modified EVE file attributes.
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DaarMaar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:51:00 -
[337]
*downloading new shiny patch..
*installing new shiny patch..
*running new shiny patch..
*turning off pc cause I've to go to work..
*coming back from work, pc won't boot..
..
..
*cursing & swearing at wife, she has no idea wtf i'm all about..
*cursing & swearing at ccp for screwing my os..
thank you ccp, you made my day !#"$"%!"..
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Vindoes
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:52:00 -
[338]
i have winxp sp2. now the weird thing is, i did upgrade to platinum, and my boot.ini was deleted, and so it says when i boot up "boot.ini broken/not....blabla". But my computer happily keeps on booting after that message, as if nuthin has happened. 
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Shirokko Papshimar
Gallente
SwEaTy ArMpIT RaIDeRs
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:52:00 -
[339]
ccp broke my pc
dont think being ungratful ccp i really like the new content but when i turned my pc back on this moring ( using windows xp ) i had to completely reinstall windows thus losing vast hordes of work ..
i <3 patch days
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Takumi Vetinari
Amarr
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:53:00 -
[340]
Originally by: General M0BIUS
Edited by: General M0BIUS on 06/12/2007 11:49:54
I Demand some Compensation for this **** up. For the people that are not tech minded then a total rebuild is required for them, those who know how to repair the boot file its still not a situation one should be in.
I have only just read the announcement at 11:30am and i'm at work so I donÆt know if my PC will be affected. Either way CCP should offer some sort of compensation either by giving a free month sup or something in game.
Bloody Noobs!!
In my job if we gave a PC build out to a customer with something as Serious as this you can bet that heads would roll and we would have to ensure that our customer was fully compensated for the Inconvenience.
Presumably you don't force your customers to sign an EULA, abstaining you from responsibility.
You're demanding compensation yet you don't know that your PC is affected yet. You're screaming blue murder for noobs, yet they've provided clear instructions on what to do for PC newcomers.
Honestly, I don't venture into official MMO forums very often for very reason that they're full of that kind of post.
Ah well.
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Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:53:00 -
[341]
CCP this is also karma for nerf batting the crp out of this game. I hope you take a public hit and lose loads of RL money for this. You have constantly fraked this game over the last 2 years and driven loads of ppl away and now you continue to do so.
I hope many get fired for this frak up.
Well i cant believe im saying this but i really think "EA Games" are more favorable these days
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Vigerus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:54:00 -
[342]
well i cant reinstall the system thats the problem so im still waiting for a solution on Win2003 with RAID partition :/
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:55:00 -
[343]
I vote for a new name of the boot.ini file used by the Eve client.
eveboot.ini could work.
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Halafian
Amarr Friendship Society
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:56:00 -
[344]
Completely clownshoes development there, CCP.
Where is the software quality assurance? You guys need to hire some testers, who should have some long checklists before software gets pushed out.
Jesus. I've never see a company **** up so badly on an update.
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:57:00 -
[345]
Originally by: DaarMaar
*downloading new shiny patch..
*installing new shiny patch..
*running new shiny patch..
*turning off pc cause I've to go to work..
*coming back from work, pc won't boot..
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..
*cursing & swearing at wife, she has no idea wtf i'm all about..
*cursing & swearing at ccp for screwing my os..
thank you ccp, you made my day !#"$"%!"..
if you've got a windows xp disk, try following the instructions in the news post. alternatively, if you don't but have a floppy drive and access to another computer running XP, try this. reinstalling windows is a pain and should always be your last resort; make sure you exhaust all other options, friends, coworkers, etc before taking that icy plunge.
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Jessica 415
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Posted - 2007.12.06 11:59:00 -
[346]
i also had the bug wipe out mi file i have xp sp2. thanks ccp for getting out how to fix the damage that was done. it has made me wonder if this will happen again at the next patch. This is what concerns me.
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Vishnej
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:02:00 -
[347]
Edited by: Vishnej on 06/12/2007 12:02:07
Originally by: Vigerus
well i cant reinstall the system thats the problem so im still waiting for a solution on Win2003 with RAID partition :/
Need details. Hardware/software? Windows Raid(tm)? Motherboard Raid? Raid 0/1/2/3/5/6/10?
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Deusz
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:02:00 -
[348]
Edited by: Deusz on 06/12/2007 12:02:29
I'm just counting my lucky stars that I have any knowledge of PCs at all and have separate partitions for XP, Games and Storage. Otherwise I would have been farked.
My sympathies that are suffering :E Not like they can get back online to see the website warning. It's like 'Keyboard not detected, press any key to continue'. :D
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DaarMaar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:02:00 -
[349]
Originally by: Saru Kada
Originally by: DaarMaar
*downloading new shiny patch..
*installing new shiny patch..
*running new shiny patch..
*turning off pc cause I've to go to work..
*coming back from work, pc won't boot..
..
..
*cursing & swearing at wife, she has no idea wtf i'm all about..
*cursing & swearing at ccp for screwing my os..
thank you ccp, you made my day !#"$"%!"..
if you've got a windows xp disk, try following the instructions in the news post. alternatively, if you don't but have a floppy drive and access to another computer running XP, try this. reinstalling windows is a pain and should always be your last resort; make sure you exhaust all other options, friends, coworkers, etc before taking that icy plunge.
i know how to fix it.. point is why the f*** i have to deal with this?
noway to treat your customers..
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annoing
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:03:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Vindoes
i have winxp sp2. now the weird thing is, i did upgrade to platinum, and my boot.ini was deleted, and so it says when i boot up "boot.ini broken/not....blabla". But my computer happily keeps on booting after that message, as if nuthin has happened.
dual boot mobo perhaps?
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Naphyza
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:04:00 -
[351]
Originally by: Naphyza
dudes...
I just restored my system, just to get sure... now me eve is f*cked up, i'll have to re-install it and i frikin do not even have a boot.ini in my root... yes, not even a hiden one. seems like i never had one.
the restore point was 4h before upgrading to premium content. therefore it has to be just right, but there still is no boot.ini... that means, i didnt have any before the upgrade... should i really set up a boot.ini manually now, to be sure??
please? yes or no?
btw: before i restored the system, i made a boot.ini myself, like on the ms-support website. after restoring the sys, it was gone... 
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Cynael
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:05:00 -
[352]
Originally by: DaarMaar
Originally by: Saru Kada
Originally by: DaarMaar
*downloading new shiny patch..
*installing new shiny patch..
*running new shiny patch..
*turning off pc cause I've to go to work..
*coming back from work, pc won't boot..
..
..
*cursing & swearing at wife, she has no idea wtf i'm all about..
*cursing & swearing at ccp for screwing my os..
thank you ccp, you made my day !#"$"%!"..
if you've got a windows xp disk, try following the instructions in the news post. alternatively, if you don't but have a floppy drive and access to another computer running XP, try this. reinstalling windows is a pain and should always be your last resort; make sure you exhaust all other options, friends, coworkers, etc before taking that icy plunge.
i know how to fix it.. point is why the f*** i have to deal with this?
noway to treat your customers..
It an anti-WOWPlayer test.
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Porucznik Borewicz
Gallente
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:05:00 -
[353]
Someone will definitely miss his Christmas bonus on his paycheck. PWND!
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DaarMaar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:06:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Cynael
Originally by: DaarMaar
Originally by: Saru Kada
Originally by: DaarMaar
*downloading new shiny patch..
*installing new shiny patch..
*running new shiny patch..
*turning off pc cause I've to go to work..
*coming back from work, pc won't boot..
..
..
*cursing & swearing at wife, she has no idea wtf i'm all about..
*cursing & swearing at ccp for screwing my os..
thank you ccp, you made my day !#"$"%!"..
if you've got a windows xp disk, try following the instructions in the news post. alternatively, if you don't but have a floppy drive and access to another computer running XP, try this. reinstalling windows is a pain and should always be your last resort; make sure you exhaust all other options, friends, coworkers, etc before taking that icy plunge.
i know how to fix it.. point is why the f*** i have to deal with this?
noway to treat your customers..
It an anti-WOWPlayer test.
it's an anti-customer/client/subscriber test
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Velsharoon
Gallente
Finite Horizon
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:08:00 -
[355]
so i rebooted my computer woo
more to the point what are ccp gonna do abut this. better be some sort of decent reimburserment for ****in breaking someones computer
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DaarMaar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:08:00 -
[356]
bah scr*w this.. got better things to do with my time.. call me when you know what are you doing ccp
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:08:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Vigerus
well i cant reinstall the system thats the problem so im still waiting for a solution on Win2003 with RAID partition :/
if you've got nothing better to try: lingorm's hilariously crude solution!
sneak a boot.ini onto your c:\ drive via dos boot disk and have this written in it:
Originally by: Lingorm
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
this should give you a most unholy list of boot options on startup (xp professional?? but I run 2k3!! don't worry, it doesn't actually matter), which you then can proceed to test one by one. don't worry, this won't screw up your computer: if none of these work, you can just delete the boot.ini file off your computer via dos anyway. I'm not sure if this will actually work since I have no experience with RAID systems (I'm lazy and just have JBOD set up), so good luck!
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Halafian
Completely clownshoes development there, CCP.
Where is the software quality assurance? You guys need to hire some testers, who should have some long checklists before software gets pushed out.
Jesus. I've never see a company **** up so badly on an update.
I was thinking even the amusing EPIC fail is not strong enough for this, possibly epic clownshoes fail? I don't know what else to add really, it's just amazing that something this utterly stupid could get out into the wild. Maybe "Puling an eve trinity" should be the newest way to warn folks about a very bad situation?
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:09:00 -
[359]
Edited by: Vigerus on 06/12/2007 12:15:50
Originally by: Vishnej
Edited by: Vishnej on 06/12/2007 12:02:07
Originally by: Vigerus
well i cant reinstall the system thats the problem so im still waiting for a solution on Win2003 with RAID partition :/
Need details. Hardware/software? Windows Raid(tm)? Motherboard Raid? Raid 0/1/2/3/5/6/10?
Motherboard: MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum
System: Windows 2003 Server Enterprise (up-to-date)
Disks: Two IBM/Hitachi Disks Stripped together (raid 0) NVRAID nForce3 250
Windows is/was installed on C:\WINDOWS standard dir
EDIT:
BTW i get the message like:
BOOT.INI not found
lauching windows from default directory C:\WINDOWS
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ntoskrnl.exe not found
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Lou Cypher
Omega Enterprises
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:09:00 -
[360]
Nice boot-we`ll take it :D
Oh well - I needed some rl anyway
Hmm internet banking,internet connection,e-mail - etc etc
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Mannakin
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:09:00 -
[361]
Seriously CCP how the hell did this get through QA. Your QA director needs a serious kicking. I have worked in IT development/design for 20+ years and this is perhaps the worst thing I have ever seen.
Luckily I managed to fix this myself without knowing about the forum posts and thanks to a guy at work for lending my an XP install disk so I could get into the recovery console.
You have just caused me to lose 2hrs of work time to fix my work laptop!
I almost resorted to a format/rebuild of the PC and a call out to the Dell support service. Then I would have been really annoyed to find this post!
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Tarh Assiliof
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:09:00 -
[362]
Originally by: Naphyza
Originally by: Naphyza
dudes...
I just restored my system, just to get sure... now me eve is f*cked up, i'll have to re-install it and i frikin do not even have a boot.ini in my root... yes, not even a hiden one. seems like i never had one.
the restore point was 4h before upgrading to premium content. therefore it has to be just right, but there still is no boot.ini... that means, i didnt have any before the upgrade... should i really set up a boot.ini manually now, to be sure??
please? yes or no?
btw: before i restored the system, i made a boot.ini myself, like on the ms-support website. after restoring the sys, it was gone...
If you can boot your computer it's not a problem. I personnally don't have boot.ini on some of my computers. I don't know why, but it never get created when I install windows.
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Solomon XI
Caldari
Dawn of Chaos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:11:00 -
[363]
Edited by: Solomon XI on 06/12/2007 12:10:56
I hate to bring bad news to CCP but...
http://digg.com/pc_games/New_Eve_Online_expansion_renders_Windows_XP_unusable
They made DiGG...
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Naphyza
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:12:00 -
[364]
Originally by: Tarh Assiliof
Originally by: Naphyza
Originally by: Naphyza
dudes...
I just restored my system, just to get sure... now me eve is f*cked up, i'll have to re-install it and i frikin do not even have a boot.ini in my root... yes, not even a hiden one. seems like i never had one.
the restore point was 4h before upgrading to premium content. therefore it has to be just right, but there still is no boot.ini... that means, i didnt have any before the upgrade... should i really set up a boot.ini manually now, to be sure??
please? yes or no?
btw: before i restored the system, i made a boot.ini myself, like on the ms-support website. after restoring the sys, it was gone...
If you can boot your computer it's not a problem. I personnally don't have boot.ini on some of my computers. I don't know why, but it never get created when I install windows.
thx 4 the answer!
but the last boot was after restoring the system... what will happen the next time i boot?
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HatfulOfHollow
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:13:00 -
[365]
Originally by: Solomon XI
Edited by: Solomon XI on 06/12/2007 12:10:56
I hate to bring bad news to CCP but...
http://digg.com/pc_games/New_Eve_Online_expansion_renders_Windows_XP_unusable
They made DiGG...
Why are you sorry? There's absolutely no reason to be an apologist in this case. They screwed up and deployed something which should have been caught during QA. I'm glad it's getting attention. Hopefully they'll be a bit more thorough next time.
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Halabit
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:13:00 -
[366]
I say let's strike for one month of EvE subscription . We all have skills that need about a month to finish . Let's put them and enjoy one month free from EvE and we will save 15$
You will see how fast they will reimburse at least one month for this screw up when they feel how theirs money is going away ( and this isn't the first screw up ) .
Only thing that man can understand is money , let's take their money away from them
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Boat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:15:00 -
[367]
Okay, my computer works.. so my boot.ini seems to be in order but EVE doesn't want to start up. When i click the icon, the begining photo flashes and then nothing. Don't know if anyone else has this problem or not.
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Ulcha Ghanis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:15:00 -
[368]
thanks for help CCP, i wont rant and rave... mistakes happen and i think your doing a good job of getting things sorted, Im just a little ****ed that i had a virus scanner running that forced a reboot.. shortly after i had installed teh faulty patch!
Keep up the good work, and also is good to see lots of community support on this issue.
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memyselfand I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:16:00 -
[369]
Edited by: memyselfand I on 06/12/2007 12:16:27
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
ok renamed it boot.ini
put in root c:\
yet msconfig still does not give me the boot.ini tab
I am running window xp sp 2
help!!!!
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:16:00 -
[370]
Originally by: Naphyza
Originally by: Tarh Assiliof
Originally by: Naphyza
Originally by: Naphyza
dudes...
I just restored my system, just to get sure... now me eve is f*cked up, i'll have to re-install it and i frikin do not even have a boot.ini in my root... yes, not even a hiden one. seems like i never had one.
the restore point was 4h before upgrading to premium content. therefore it has to be just right, but there still is no boot.ini... that means, i didnt have any before the upgrade... should i really set up a boot.ini manually now, to be sure??
please? yes or no?
btw: before i restored the system, i made a boot.ini myself, like on the ms-support website. after restoring the sys, it was gone...
If you can boot your computer it's not a problem. I personnally don't have boot.ini on some of my computers. I don't know why, but it never get created when I install windows.
thx 4 the answer!
but the last boot was after restoring the system... what will happen the next time i boot?
ostensibly, the same thing that happened when you booted after that restore point was made.
I'd insert a fitting saying here, but you know how they all go: "don't fix what ain't broke" vs "better safe than sorry", "look before you leap" vs "we'll cross that bridge when we get there", etc etc
personally I'd rebuild boot.ini, but that's just me. at worst, your computer will default back to c:\windows anyway (which is what I presume it has been doing). I don't have an EULA on me though, so having no personal experience with booting without a boot.ini file I don't want to give you a concrete answer
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Filthy Scum
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:16:00 -
[371]
Originally by: Tiberius Xavier
- Start notepad (from accessories)
- Open the file C:\boot.ini
- If this file is not empty, then STOP!
- If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
- If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
- Save that as C:\boot.ini
- Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
- Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
- Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
I was concerned about RAID, however, I believe that the RAID driver is loaded prior to this BOOT.INI being read, and that the RAID array will be viewed as a logical device. I run RAID-0 Raptors, and this solution works for me.
If you don't know which version of windows you are running:
- Open the start menu
- Right-click My Computer
- Select Properties and the screen that comes should say in plain English.
If you don't know your partition, then best way to make sure you select the right drive in XP is to start diskmgmt.msc and see which partition is your 'C' drive.
- Type in diskmgmt.msc <enter>
- A new window titled 'Disk Management' and see which drive/partition it is under. Most likely, this is the first disk, first partition or multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) in MSFT speak. If it is the second partition, then put '2'. This is a 1 based count (perhaps because the MBR is 0?)
This Worked beautifully for me.
Thanks, Tiberius Xavier
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annoing
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:17:00 -
[372]
I told CCP several months ago about this boot.ini problem when I was affected by the REV II patch. There first reply was to tell me it was impossible and that they had never had this problem even after extensive testing and the second reply hinted that I was a liar. After having to re-install windows TWICE (it deleted my boot.ini when I patched up EVE and when I un-installed EVE) Thankfully, I had a new boot.ini floppy waiting for that very reason, surprise surprise I HAD to use it for this patch. Now ive un-installed EVE, reloaded my boot.ini and installed the full Eve client to try to be safe. Ive rebooted my comp and its booted OK.
TBH, I dont know how EVe is going to compensate anyone unless its by some free subs. Lets see if they do even though their EULA means they dont have to. A gesture of goodwill perhaps on CCP's part?
BTW, the new graphics look great (well, my sansha cruiser is the only thing ive looked at so far, and that was in the station) BUT I would rather have a game bug free than new content anyday. When the game works right THEN its the time for new content, not the other way round.
Good luck all.
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:18:00 -
[373]
Got hit too - nice work ;)
Now the bad news:
1. There was a short testing period on SiSi.
2. Everyone with W2K/XP and EvE on C:\ was affected, so was I
3. Yesterday midnight I was finally able to reconstruct the boot.ini while alerting two CERTs.
- Why did you rush the release?
- @CCP: Why not comply to a more thorough testing schedule?
Took 2 days of investigation, which is not fun at all. Also I missed the point on why this could happen!
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:18:00 -
[374]
Originally by: Ulcha Ghanis
thanks for help CCP, i wont rant and rave... mistakes happen and i think your doing a good job of getting things sorted, Im just a little ****ed that i had a virus scanner running that forced a reboot.. shortly after i had installed teh faulty patch!
Keep up the good work, and also is good to see lots of community support on this issue.
Pretty lame that the anti virus didn't think that some 3rd party application deleting boot.ini was a problem ._.
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Li Fun
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:18:00 -
[375]
While I have a lot of sympathy for people who have been bitten by this bug, there are a few things I would say to the more strident complainers:
1. If you don't know enough about computers to recover from problems like this after they happen, you should have followed the instructions at install to create a rescue diskette/CD
2. If you know enough about computers to be using RAID (presumably RAID 1) then you should know that such a setup is always vulnerable to boot failure issues and have an alternative means to boot the system (personally I would never boot from RAID)
3. Yes, this was a major testing failure and yes it was dumb to have a file called boot.ini (eveboot.ini would be perfectly acceptable) but why not scream at microsoft for producing an OS where an application level installer can delete a critical system file.
4. Windows is an extremely easily damaged OS. If you want to game and work on the same machine you need to take precautions. The first and most obvious thing is to have a separate OS-specific partition which you can regularly image and restore in a matter of minutes (software like Acronis Disk Image will do this for you - there are a number of alternatives). If you do this, you could recover from the loss of a boot image with a few keystrokes - as it happens, if you had this setup you wouldn't have lost boot.ini in the first place.
Like I said, I am sympathetic but I'm afraid that computers are not failsafe consumer-grade devices like CD players. They are complicated and vulnerable systems but you can shield yourself from most problems with a minimum of forethought and a few basic precautions. If you are not willing to take these precautions then you must bear a significant portion of the blame for the ensuing problems.
And no, I'm not being elitist I'm being realistic. If you don't know how to protect your system find someone to help you. Generally there will be a friend or workmate with sufficient knowledge but if not pay someone - it will be worthwhile in the long run.
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Confuzer
PBA Corporation
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:18:00 -
[376]
Nice... when I get home from work I need to put some time in fixing my comp then.
But mistakes happen, I don't blame you very much (I laugh at ya though! n00bs! How did you ever let this slip through the testing cycle? Did they never reboot their computer after a test? )
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Magners Marauders
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:18:00 -
[377]
So let me get this strait, the earlier patch FUBARRED ur boot.ini file if u installed it?
Can i just say... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i'm in a thread that will make history i'm sure
Anyways my sympathies go out to prolly a large chunk of our US friends and others that installed it, hope u get it fixed.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Magners is now recruiting, evemail me or Dagazbo ingame.
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annoing
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:22:00 -
[378]
Originally by: Boat
Okay, my computer works.. so my boot.ini seems to be in order but EVE doesn't want to start up. When i click the icon, the begining photo flashes and then nothing. Don't know if anyone else has this problem or not.
I reported this with REV II (along with no boot.ini) and they said it was impossible.....
DO NOT turn off your comp, DO NOT un-install windows until you have made sure that you have a boot.ini in the root directory (just go start, rub, type MSCONFIG, look at boot path). IKf you dont have one follow previous instrctions. Have a XP disc handy just in case.
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Fenrik Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:23:00 -
[379]
I found this page very helpful in getting my Windows XP Media Center PC back into a bootable state:
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/ht/repairbootini.htm
Hope this helps.
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Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:23:00 -
[380]
Originally by: Ulcha Ghanis
thanks for help CCP, i wont rant and rave... mistakes happen and i think your doing a good job of getting things sorted, Im just a little ****ed that i had a virus scanner running that forced a reboot.. shortly after i had installed teh faulty patch!
Keep up the good work, and also is good to see lots of community support on this issue.
fking ass kiss if you ask me next you will want a job....
CCP = Fail = Reimburse
But CCP dont reimburse as there money grabbing....
Total frak up and i see digg is already slating you for it i hope more reports come flooding!
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Novs Slave
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:23:00 -
[381]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Novs Slave
Scenario:
XP 64-bit, harddisk system is F: data (games) disk is G: I havent been affected.
But I wonder why an updater would touch such a file.
What I said over here, http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=12#352
Thank you, didnt have the patience to go checking all pages :)
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:24:00 -
[382]
Originally by: FHPhantom
this is 100% outrageous every time i start my pc now it says invalid boot file booting from c drive i hope ccp is ready to write a check to fix this problem as i see fit Ill need to pay someone to fix my pc . never been so dam mad as I am now?
will a system restore return the file? someone let me know.
Yes it will.
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Krima Sumyungi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:25:00 -
[383]
Is the server down right now, since it says Tranquility "Status Unknown" and says there's no connection when I try to login, or is this another bug?
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Angel Vrae
Gallente
Arrvra Holdings Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:25:00 -
[384]
Victim : my computer
Corperation: none
Alliance: none
Ship : Compaq Presario
Involved parties:
Eve Client (laid the final blow)
Weapon used : boot.ini file wtfpwnage
Destroyed items:
unknown damage.
Ok Heres what happened. I download the new content using the in client update. Play about for five minuites.. (drooling at my brutix) then i notice there is no sound. So press esc to load the audio contols and wham, computer locks up. wait half an hour for it to catch up, doesnt happen.. so i restart and...
flashes something about boot.ini and then comes up with a command line error :
HALL.DLL IS MISSING OR CORRUPT
RE-INSTALL A NOTHER COPY OF THIS FILE
any key i press restarts the machine.
*is posting this from trusty g4 powermac*
so.. how do i fix it? (asside from running a factory restore)
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Cremytos
Caldari
Manticore.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:26:00 -
[385]
Incredibly, CCP F'kd up again, and this time it's royal ^^
Seriously, how many times before have not the patches had minor glitches.. you SERIOUSLY need to do testing a bit more serious, or hire a third party to do it for you..
this is sad, this is what makes me worried every time i login if CCP has the slightest clue what they are doing sometimes.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:27:00 -
[386]
Originally by: FHPhantom
this is 100% outrageous every time i start my pc now it says invalid boot file booting from c drive i hope ccp is ready to write a check to fix this problem as i see fit Ill need to pay someone to fix my pc . never been so dam mad as I am now?
will a system restore return the file? someone let me know.
well a response would be nice CCP ok will a system restore fix this problem or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sylfamas
Caldari
Making Our Way to Stars
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:28:00 -
[387]
Update: I'm using Boot Camp for Mac, so i'll have to reinstall windows eventually. Now before i do that, i want you guys at ccp to know that you really screwed this up. BADLY. Lot of people lost data and your warning, although somewhat effective, came to late for many people.
Now that slogan of yours: Aiming towards the impossible, is that the fact that you screwed one HUGE file, as NO PRODUCER ever done so ? Because it's pretty impossible to get one command line to delete the boot.ini in our main partition.
I really hope you're going to reimburse people for their losses. Lucky for me that i have all my important work on my mac os. If you continue like this, no one will ever want to get to ambulation. Who knows maybe you'll even erase whole partitions in the next major patch.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:28:00 -
[388]
Originally by: FHPhantom
Originally by: FHPhantom
this is 100% outrageous every time i start my pc now it says invalid boot file booting from c drive i hope ccp is ready to write a check to fix this problem as i see fit Ill need to pay someone to fix my pc . never been so dam mad as I am now?
will a system restore return the file? someone let me know.
well a response would be nice CCP ok will a system restore fix this problem or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I already said YES! A system restore will restore boot.ini to it's former glory!
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Don West
Caldari
Eternal Pheonix
Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:28:00 -
[389]
What I want to know is which Dev was playing a joke on another and forgot to remove this prior to pushing it to production?
I work with a group of guys that do that kind of stuff all the time. And its funny. But for the love of all that is good and holy we remember to remove it before pushing to production!
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Helios Isikari
The Commissum
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:29:00 -
[390]
CCP, I know you guys have been getting a lot of crap over this, and I just want to say from one guy who was effected I know it wasn't intentional and your doing your best to fix it. System restore worked perfectly for me (Thankfully there was one created day before yesterday) and I deleted the EVE client, now I'm downloading the Full Premium from your site just to be safe.
Stay tough guys, the flames will keep coming for a while but you tried your best.
The Graphics are sweet btw.
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Lupus Lupus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:29:00 -
[391]
If you have System Restore active, you will have a backup of your old boot.ini. I just restored my old boot.ini succesfully.
System Restore saves the restore points to a hidden directory called "\System Volume Information". Do this:
1. Give yourself full rights to this directory
2. Open the 2nd newest restore point directory
3. Find a randomly named .ini file that contains string "multi(" - I used grep, you can use your favorite text search tool
4. Examine the file you found and make sure it's your boot.ini
5. Copy-paste the contents to your boot.ini - use system properties - startup settings - edit boot.ini to do that easily
6. Reverse step 1
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Vishnej
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
[392]
Edited by: Vishnej on 06/12/2007 12:31:14
Originally by: FHPhantom
Originally by: FHPhantom
this is 100% outrageous every time i start my pc now it says invalid boot file booting from c drive i hope ccp is ready to write a check to fix this problem as i see fit Ill need to pay someone to fix my pc . never been so dam mad as I am now?
will a system restore return the file? someone let me know.
well a response would be nice CCP ok will a system restore fix this problem or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will, but it isn't necessary. There are slightly more complicated things which don't result in you losing data.
All that was deleted was one tiny <10 line text file which happened to be essential to the windows boot process. It's not very unique - there are instructions on how to create a new one in this thread. You just need to find a way to create a new one, either by booting into some sort of windows recovery mode, or DOS or linux, or taking the disk out and putting the file on while it's connected to another computer.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
[393]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: FHPhantom
Originally by: FHPhantom
this is 100% outrageous every time i start my pc now it says invalid boot file booting from c drive i hope ccp is ready to write a check to fix this problem as i see fit Ill need to pay someone to fix my pc . never been so dam mad as I am now?
will a system restore return the file? someone let me know.
well a response would be nice CCP ok will a system restore fix this problem or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I already said YES! A system restore will restore boot.ini to it's former glory!
I s this true or not CCP can i get an official answer from someone here!!!!!!!!!
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
[394]
Originally by: Sylfamas
Update: I'm using Boot Camp for Mac, so i'll have to reinstall windows eventually. Now before i do that, i want you guys at ccp to know that you really screwed this up. BADLY. Lot of people lost data and your warning, although somewhat effective, came to late for many people.
Now that slogan of yours: Aiming towards the impossible, is that the fact that you screwed one HUGE file, as NO PRODUCER ever done so ? Because it's pretty impossible to get one command line to delete the boot.ini in our main partition.
I really hope you're going to reimburse people for their losses. Lucky for me that i have all my important work on my mac os. If you continue like this, no one will ever want to get to ambulation. Who knows maybe you'll even erase whole partitions in the next major patch.
Can't you load a Windows XP ISO in to a virtual drive for the virtualization environment?
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Karnah
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
[395]
Now, this is exactly what happened to me:
- download shiny new patch, play eve
- download shiny new graphics upgrade, restart eve
- realize my comp is too slow to use shiny new content, disable it, and restart eve
- try to launch second eve process (who doesn't dual-box? it worked fine before patch!)
- computer locks up instantly, screen has fuzzy lines and nothing responds (ctrl-alt-delete and ctrl-shift-esc do nothing)
- hit poweroff button. wait usual few seconds. hit power on button.
"Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Please re-install a copy of the above file."
Lots of cursing, frantic calls to my coworkers to tell them that my PC just died, and 4 hours of figuring this out on my own. Mind you my boot.ini file was NOT deleted, and in addition to 'fixboot' I also had to hunt down the place where windows stores backup copies of such files as hal.dll (copy C:\i386\hal.dll C:\windows\system32\hal.dll). By the time I did figure it out, I was too tired to play and considered myself triumphant over the angry PC gods and went to sleep. I'm thankful that I have the wherewithal to solve this, and very ****ed that I lost hours of WORK because I use my computer for more things than just Eve. I have the utmost sympathy for anyone who isn't going to be able to solve this on their own, maybe has only one computer in the house, and is now completely F**KED and must pay someone else to fix their PC. IMO, they will have every right to sue CCP for this.
As someone who has worked in software development for the past 8 years, I can not fathom how this could have been missed. As much as I love the game, this is so serious of a failure that I am disgusted and may boycott CCP if they do not do something to make serious amends to those everyone in the community who was affected by this.
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
[396]
Originally by: Tuschii
Originally by: Tiberius Xavier
- Start notepad (from accessories)
- Open the file C:\boot.ini
- If this file is not empty, then STOP!
- If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
- If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
- Save that as C:\boot.ini
- Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
- Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
- Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
I was concerned about RAID, however, I believe that the RAID driver is loaded prior to this BOOT.INI being read, and that the RAID array will be viewed as a logical device. I run RAID-0 Raptors, and this solution works for me.
If you don't know which version of windows you are running:
- Open the start menu
- Right-click My Computer
- Select Properties and the screen that comes should say in plain English.
If you don't know your partition, then best way to make sure you select the right drive in XP is to start diskmgmt.msc and see which partition is your 'C' drive.
- Type in diskmgmt.msc <enter>
- A new window titled 'Disk Management' and see which drive/partition it is under. Most likely, this is the first disk, first partition or multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) in MSFT speak. If it is the second partition, then put '2'. This is a 1 based count (perhaps because the MBR is 0?)
This Worked beautifully for me.
Thanks, Tiberius Xavier
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Unfortunately this is a bs advice. Why?
1. Many PCs are shipped with a system installation, which is on partition(1), resulting in Windows being on Partition 2 or higher or maybe even on another disk.
2. Depending on machine setup partition and disk order is messed up anyway.
3. Several dual boot systems are ***** anyway.
There are only 3 reliable ways to fix this if you rebooted with missing boot.ini:
Version 1 (advanced):
1. Start Windows XP setup from disk
2. Enter Repair mode
3. Login as Administrator
4. Enter "Fixboot" on prompt
Version 2 (basic):
1. Start Windows XP setup from disk
2. Enter Install Windows XP
3. Choose "Recover selected installation"
4. Follow the instructions on a 30 - 60 minute installation party (which also messes up some hardware drivers and requires a lot of patching afterwards)
Version 3 (pro):
1. Determine your correct disk with ERD or by looking at Windows XP setup at correct disk/partition or determine your system setting with eg. a Linux partition or... (mix of CD/DVD based boot systems or similar)
2. Write a new boot.ini from scratch up.
Just posting a basic boot.ini wont solve the issue for most ppl. Also Id expect CCP to not post some half-messed up info but a correct patch, which would require in this case the posting of eg. a floppy and an ISO image for a CCP-made fix. A CCP phone number to field a request for such a CD sent to each customer asking for it wouldnt hurt either. You messed it up - you have to fix it. Consequently.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:30:00 -
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An unbelieveable skrew up !
You guys from CCP should all get your december salary collected and distributed evenly among your customers! It is our money anyway.
If the company I work for would treat customers like this we would be out of business 10 times already!
Do you ever even test your scrappy programming YOURSELF???
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:31:00 -
[398]
Originally by: Raysa
I woke up, turned on my laptop and it's screwed. Got to work read forums now I know why.
I'm not ' computer guy ' I just play games and have fun so I not up to speed on maintenance so I guess from some peeps answers here I deserve this....
Now I need to get my laptop working and I could do with a little help tbh.
I ' think ' I have my Windows disks somewhere, but if not :
1) Am I screwed? how can I fix this?
2) have I lost everything on my HD?
Any tips or directions would be really great.
Thanks.
if you don't have your windows disks on you, borrow them from a friend/co-worker. I doubt you have a floppy drive on your laptop, so you might also want to look into creating bootable CDs (try googling it). regardless, if you can get your hands on an XP disc, you can enter the recovery console (check the news item for instructions).
you most definitely have not lost the files on your HD yet, and at absolute worst simply buying a new copy of windows xp would solve your problem.
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Cymland Tuff
Amarr
Tuff Trading
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:31:00 -
[399]
I know its a bit late but hopefully this will help some people. For those of you contemplating a re-install and subsequent loss of data, you can do a windows install without wiping the disk.
Don't select format the partition during install (windows may also offer you an upgrade install if it finds the existing OS installation). This re-installs over the existing setup, and will even pick up a lot of your installed apps/utilities saving you time.
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Vishnej
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:32:00 -
[400]
Originally by: Cymland Tuff
I know its a bit late but hopefully this will help some people. For those of you contemplating a re-install and subsequent loss of data, you can do a windows install without wiping the disk.
Don't select format the partition during install (windows may also offer you an upgrade install if it finds the existing OS installation). This re-installs over the existing setup, and will even pick up a lot of your installed apps/utilities saving you time.
You don't, however, need to do a windows reinstall.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:32:00 -
[401]
CAN I GET AN ANSWER FORM CCP WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE RETURN MY LOST DATA THAT YOUR SCREW UP COST ME i WANT AN ANSWER NOW
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:32:00 -
[402]
Please fix the installer so it doesn't overwrite hidden/system files no matter what the pathname is ...
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Karma
Gallente
Vortex Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:32:00 -
[403]
odd...
I installed the premium graphics last night (2am GMT)... checked it out, turned off my computer and went to bed.
it started without a hitch this morning, and I played EVE... but now that I check, I have been affected. (no boot.ini to be found).
Windows XP SP2.
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Kale Kold
Caldari
V i r u s
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:33:00 -
[404]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
You would assume that this would hold true, but to install software into the "Program Files" directory you need admin permissions and a process that has this can delete the file with no warnings.
You see that was our thinking when it was reported ... "Can't be." Windows does not allow you to delete that file ... but it does.
How does that famous saying go?
"Assumption is the mother of all ????????"
I can't quite remember the last bit.
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De'Zori
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:33:00 -
[405]
so you are ****ingt telling me that when i come back from work and turn on computer windows will be ****ered cus i pathed it last night? **** yuuu
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:34:00 -
[406]
Edited by: Wimwyn on 06/12/2007 12:37:53
I am at work so have time to read this thread (sad git I am)
Some people call this problem "a bug" - if this was written by some spotty faced 14 year old it would have been called "a virus" come to think of it a spotty faced 14 year old could do a better job .
This is not a "bug" it is shame faced careless behavoiur and treating fee paying customers with total contempt. It means bugger all in the great scheme of things but I for one am seriously thinking that this is the last time CCP get my cash.
I have played online games for over 15 years and this is the worst example I have seen of blantant carelessness. I have had servers die for weeks, I have had patches that dont work, I have had patches that make me loose items, I have had patches delayed for over 6 months - I have never ever had a patch that could totally destroy the abilty to use my machine. At work we have more firewalls and protocols than you can poke a stick at and I dont work with highly confidential material - why? to stop crap like this happening.
I have searched around and cant even find an apology from anybody in CCP (well anybody in CCP high enough to have some level of real responsibilty).
Words fail me, anybody who knows me faints.
I dont want compensation I want HEADS - I want to know that I am paying money to a competent provider who cares about me its customer.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:35:00 -
[407]
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:36:00 -
[408]
Originally by: Wimwyn
I for one am seriously thinking that this is the last time CCP get my cash.
YOUR NOT THE ONLY ONE THINKING THAT NOW TRUST ME. iM FING INFURIATED NOW.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:37:00 -
[409]
WILL A DAM SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM, ILL TYPE IT OVER AND OVER TILL i GET AN OFFICIAL ANSWER, THAT I DESERVER.
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Den enjen
Caldari
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:38:00 -
[410]
A system restore will FIX the PROBLEM
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Helios Isikari
The Commissum
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:38:00 -
[411]
Hey FHPhantom, some advice.
System Restore works, at least 10 people have said it in the past two pages.
All caps won't get you an answer faster.
Swearing won't get you an answer faster.
Grammar, however, will get you an answer faster.
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:38:00 -
[412]
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
System restore *should* fix it, but please keep in mind that CCP didn't program the system restore function and can't awnser that question in theory.
If you want to be certain about that contact Microsoft (which will then proceed to laugh in your face and tell you to pay 50 dollars per support question).
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De'Zori
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:38:00 -
[413]
f,uc-king hell this pi55 me off. god damn brainless f.uuks
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Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:38:00 -
[414]
CCP forgets to apology not even a sorry anywhere. LOL now im ****ed more :)
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:38:00 -
[415]
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
I offer Email and phone support for anyone affected [email protected] in English and German.
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Xscaped Pensioner
Trident Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:39:00 -
[416]
Originally by: memyselfand I
Edited by: memyselfand I on 06/12/2007 12:16:27
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
ok renamed it boot.ini
put in root c:\
yet msconfig still does not give me the boot.ini tab
I am running window xp sp 2
help!!!!
Sorted it now
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:39:00 -
[417]
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
I don't think you can even IMAGINE how many problems they have right now, they aren't going to tend to your personal needs, they already have made a general post in regards to helping people out of this situation.
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akakjs
STK Scientific
Black-Out
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:39:00 -
[418]
Originally by: Pilk
Originally by: akakjs
Originally by: Prince Sallerus
...snip...
Because CCP has a "boot.ini" in the root of their install folder. The installer programmer almost certainly intended to delete
boot.ini
but instead deleted
\boot.ini
It's a silly mistake, and easy to make (especially when pressured by 200,000 users who want to get back to their Veld roids as quickly as possible, despite the fact that you're changing a great deal of the programming of the world's largest gaming supercomputer), but still, obviously, quite deadly.
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Cheers.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:40:00 -
[419]
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
A system restore has worked for other users, however it may not be necessary to go to that length. As stated in the original post of this thread there are numerous knowledgebase articles and ways you can fix the single file (boot.ini) that is causing the issue.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:40:00 -
[420]
So as many people I also got this but at first I thought it was my overclocking that was messing it up so I restored it to default which apparently forced windows to create a new boot.ini.
My question is now that I have a boot.ini, is it fine? Can I re-clock it? Can I play Eve Fine?
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:40:00 -
[421]
Originally by: De'Zori
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hey you can't spell man!
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Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:40:00 -
[422]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
I don't think you can even IMAGINE how many problems they have right now, they aren't going to tend to your personal needs, they already have made a general post in regards to helping people out of this situation.
Well i think now more than ever they owe us some one on one support.
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:40:00 -
[423]
Originally by: Hydrogen
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
I offer Email and phone support for anyone affected [email protected] in English and German.
Well that is 100% more than CCP are offering - I dont need it as not updated yet but nice offer.
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Saru Kada
World Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:41:00 -
[424]
Originally by: Arthi DeSaule
So as many people I also got this but at first I thought it was my overclocking that was messing it up so I restored it to default which apparently forced windows to create a new boot.ini.
My question is now that I have a boot.ini, is it fine? Can I re-clock it? Can I play Eve Fine?
yes.
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Shodo Deka
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:41:00 -
[425]
Edited by: Shodo Deka on 06/12/2007 12:42:29
I think a public podding in Jita of the responsible dev is in order... 
On a more serious note. Yes this is a really really bad **** up and yes we need some high up to give an official statement/explanation for this. But guys give them some time to figure out what actually went wrong (read who to pod), most of the devs have properly been up all night to deploy Trinity. So lets give them a chance to wake up before we start lining them up in front of Jita 4-4à
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Tarh Assiliof
ICE is Coming to EVE
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:42:00 -
[426]
Originally by: Don West
What I want to know is which Dev was playing a joke on another and forgot to remove this prior to pushing it to production?
I work with a group of guys that do that kind of stuff all the time. And its funny. But for the love of all that is good and holy we remember to remove it before pushing to production!
I think it the question to ask.
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Mary Magdalene
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:43:00 -
[427]
just checked myself using run>cmd> find boot.ini ect .
came back with "no boot.ini found"
so i restarted anyway as i only play eve on this sys and a format takes like 20-30 mins.
Any it starts restarting , then just before the windows loading screen i get "invalid boot.ini" , but it carries on loading and here i am still.
so do i leave it as is or what?
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TheXtreme
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:43:00 -
[428]
Hello i have had my boot.ini deleted aswell i have followed all the instructions to correct it
[ i have Windows XP Home Edition ]
but in msconfig when i click *Check All Boot Paths* it tells me this [ see screen shot ]
Any help ?
Your SIG is to big please reduce it to fit these limits
The size limits for signature graphics are as follows:
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Maximum width: 400 pixels
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:43:00 -
[429]
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
Jeez - you expect them to read all your trollin? Yes it works. This isn't the best place to complain or get comp specific advice, a petition is better. Also if they haven't yet responded to your previous posts why think that they'll reply to the same question in CAPS? |
Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:43:00 -
[430]
Originally by: Shodo Deka
Edited by: Shodo Deka on 06/12/2007 12:42:29
I think a public podding in Jita of the responsible dev is in order...
On a more serious note. Yes this is a really really bad **** up and yes we need some high up to give an official statement/explanation for this. But guys give them some time to figure out what actually went wrong (read who to pod), most of the devs have properly been up all night to deploy Trinity. So lets give them a chance to wake up before we start lining them up in front of Jita 4-4à
no time line them up
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:44:00 -
[431]
Edited by: Gaven Blands on 06/12/2007 12:44:56
Quite how an EULA can say "we accept no responsibility, despite being blatantly obviously responsible for it" is beyond me.
If I was to visit CCP's offices and render all the computers inoperative, and simply say "I'm not responsible" are CCP going to take that lying down?
I should think not.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:45:00 -
[432]
Originally by: Mary Magdalene
just checked myself using run>cmd> find boot.ini ect .
came back with "no boot.ini found"
so i restarted anyway as i only play eve on this sys and a format takes like 20-30 mins.
Any it starts restarting , then just before the windows loading screen i get "invalid boot.ini" , but it carries on loading and here i am still.
so do i leave it as is or what?
The best option would be to recreated it using the example in the original post - if your PC boots fine without a boot.ini, it means Windows XP will be in the default location (as per the example).
After you save the new boot.ini, use msconfig to check that the windows path is correct.
See my post #100 in this thread for full instructions on using msconfig.
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Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:45:00 -
[433]
Originally by: Mrs Malty
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
Jeez - you expect them to read all your trollin? Yes it works. This isn't the best place to complain or get comp specific advice, a petition is better. Also if they haven't yet responded to your previous posts why think that they'll reply to the same question in CAPS?
STFU u idiot he wanted a straight answer and about time CCP looked at there public support.
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Deathcore
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:45:00 -
[434]
Quit complaining and read the topic!, Why reply saying "Please Help!!!11one" if you havent bothered to read the topic and follow other peoples advice, it was an easy mistake (i have done similar things several times) and if the Test machines were running Vista (which they probably are) this wouldnt have been picked up.
Just Chill and learn to read
Love Deathcore
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Krima Sumyungi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:45:00 -
[435]
If noone is fired over this, something is definitely wrong in the management department.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:45:00 -
[436]
Originally by: TheXtreme
Hello i have had my boot.ini deleted aswell i have followed all the instructions to correct it
[ i have Windows XP Home Edition ]
but in msconfig when i click *Check All Boot Paths* it tells me this [ see screen shot ]
Any help ?
DO you have multiple partitions and or hard-drives? Where is Windows installed?
Is the directory Windows installed to called '\Windows\' ?
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:45:00 -
[437]
Now that I calmed down a bit Ill present fact:
1 system restore appears to have worked I received no error message on reboot
2. I lost a weeks worth of data due to this mess
3. I expect to be treated fairly this month for free as I will file a pettion
4. Do I now need to uninstall eve and re download it this I need an official answer
5. This isnt something to take lightly this caused damage to alott of pc's that is FACT
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:46:00 -
[438]
Originally by: TheXtreme
Hello i have had my boot.ini deleted aswell i have followed all the instructions to correct it
[ i have Windows XP Home Edition ]
but in msconfig when i click *Check All Boot Paths* it tells me this [ see screen shot ]
Any help ?
Try the procedure here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=4#100
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kaufmann
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:46:00 -
[439]
Girl girls, really stop hammering on the poor guys from CCP,
this is really a quite normal computer disaster.
What CCP could learn from this,is to have a beta tester group for the patches
that is able to recover from disasters like this without the need of external help. I bet lots of people like to do this .
What we as a community could do, is taking people by the hand that arent able to
help themselves, may be if someone lives in city XXX he could help people who lives there also.
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Drykor
Minmatar
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:47:00 -
[440]
In other news, CCP conclusively proved that they in fact ARE a lan party gone bad.
I am extremely happy that my Eve install was in a different partition but this is truely unacceptable.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:47:00 -
[441]
Originally by: Hydrogen
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
I offer Email and phone support for anyone affected [email protected] in English and German.
You sir, are a star. If my current system recovery tool fails, I'll have to get in touch.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:47:00 -
[442]
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 12:48:11
Originally by: FHPhantom
Now that I calmed down a bit Ill present fact:
1 system restore appears to have worked I received no error message on reboot
2. I lost a weeks worth of data due to this mess
3. I expect to be treated fairly this month for free as I will file a pettion
4. Do I now need to uninstall eve and re download it this I need an official answer
5. This isnt something to take lightly this caused damage to alott of pc's that is FACT
It was quoted to work by every one else, but the dev said you do not have to go to such lengths (ie. lose data due to a rollback), so it was up to you, the dev did state other alternative methods to repairing this issue.
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:47:00 -
[443]
Originally by: Mary Magdalene
just checked myself using run>cmd> find boot.ini ect .
came back with "no boot.ini found"
so i restarted anyway as i only play eve on this sys and a format takes like 20-30 mins.
Any it starts restarting , then just before the windows loading screen i get "invalid boot.ini" , but it carries on loading and here i am still.
so do i leave it as is or what?
But all the Devs on the forums are saying do this - do that and the sky is sunny. CCP wake up a wave of protest is about to hit you like you have never seen before. I hope you have a good bank manager to cover the debts this will cost you in lost customers - bye off to work
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:47:00 -
[444]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
A system restore has worked for other users, however it may not be necessary to go to that length. As stated in the original post of this thread there are numerous knowledgebase articles and ways you can fix the single file (boot.ini) that is causing the issue.
ty for the reply thats is fact. i wasnt willing to tinker with boot menue as to cause more damage wasnt willing. Now do I need to unistall the game and re download it?
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corporal hicks
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:48:00 -
[445]
For everyone out for blood ect.
News
So CCP have made a news announcment on front page of website and offer there apologuies for the mess, now lets let them come up with fix's for everyone instead of making this thread the biggest whinefest ever, sure people are allowed to be annoyed but turning this thread into a whinefest is only making it harder for people to try find information needed when they have to sift through hundreds of useless posts.
And yes I was affected also and had to rebuild a boot.ini file before anyone use's the you were not affected reply.
" Stay Frosty "
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:49:00 -
[446]
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 12:50:24
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I will also offer free support as best I can, [email protected]
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:49:00 -
[447]
Originally by: FHPhantom
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
A system restore has worked for other users, however it may not be necessary to go to that length. As stated in the original post of this thread there are numerous knowledgebase articles and ways you can fix the single file (boot.ini) that is causing the issue.
Now do I need to unistall the game and re download it?
The patched game itself should be fine.
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Infinitus Maximus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:50:00 -
[448]
Oh this is worrying.
Im not at home but im pretty certain i updated b4 4am.
I am concerned as some people (myself included) do not have a windows XP disc since retailers do not include them in prebuilt machines (such as pcworld, staples, currys or whatever).
Does this bug prevent me from booting to windows or something?
If am in this situaton and have no xp disc, how can i create a boot.ini file?
Im just concerned that i may potentially have to go out and purchase a copy of XP which will cost alot of money, whilst i appreciate that problems may happen on patch days and as such, may not be able to play for a few days as eve is down, is part of mmos'. What i am extremely displeased about is that this has effected me and ME personally. If i cannot boot my computer, well, i cannot do anything. alot of my RL work is obviously conducted on my computer, my family use it for various tasks.
I have never heard of anything like this happening before, ever.
However, i may just be jumping the gun and its nothing to worry about :D
Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
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De'Zori
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:50:00 -
[449]
not sure about the rest of you but i have a crapload of work material on my computer that i only backup every 3 days.
if this stuff is gone i will most likely loose my job....
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:51:00 -
[450]
After system restore is done, do we as players need to uninstall and re dn? and when is it safe to do that? cause to be honest my skill im running expires in 4 hours but im afraid to even re dn or log on. thats fact. And its a sad day for a lot of us that have played for some time almost 1 year for me.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:52:00 -
[451]
Originally by: De'Zori
not sure about the rest of you but i have a crapload of work material on my computer that i only backup every 3 days.
if this stuff is gone i will most likely loose my job....
Don't stress dude - your data is 100% intact, just run through the procedures that CCP has stated and you'll be fine!
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Velsharoon
Gallente
Finite Horizon
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:52:00 -
[452]
My master cd worked and the ni asked it to reinstall windows and now it says missing operating system :(
Gonna dl ubuntu see if i can boot it from the cd and fix it.
Not ****ed off cos they made a mistake **** happens just unhappy about the hours of my life wasted :(
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Stooboy
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:52:00 -
[453]
I feel sorry for the Developers at CCP who have worked very hard on bring us what has been the most anticipated update in recent times, and from what i saw of the patch one of the most smoothest and lag free transitions, what now should be a celebration is now over shadowed by a bug that can only be considered gross misconduct.
as a developer myself, i realise the importance of doing install tests, upgrades, uninstalls, compatibility against os, AV etc.
I would give ccp the credit for actually having done this, and wonder if perhaps some form of industrial sabotage or disgruntled employee has had something to do with this.
Perhaps in some days we can hear how this fault was able to arrise.
Stoo.
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Sydonis
Caldari
Xoth Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:53:00 -
[454]
Hicks: Agreed.
One question - Windows XP x64: anyone know how to back up (restore?) the backup version stored somewhere in the windows directory?
CCP: I'm disappointed in you guys over this, but it happens... and tbh it's a small error on such a large upgrade. I suggest you make the staffer responsible buy all the forum mods and any devs trying to keep the masses calm, a good takeaway meal and make them lots of coffee as punishment...
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Krima Sumyungi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:53:00 -
[455]
Originally by: corporal hicks
For everyone out for blood ect.
News
So CCP have made a news announcment on front page of website and offer there apologuies for the mess,
And only 11 hours after the start of this thread. Wow, they're really on the ball, now.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:53:00 -
[456]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: FHPhantom
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: FHPhantom
WHERE THE HELL ARE THE FORUM MODERATORS NOW? i NEED AN OFFICIAL ANSWER WILL A SYSTEM RESTORE FIX THIS PROBLEM? IF IT WAS SOME IMMATUR BS POST CCP WOULD BE ALL OVER IT, NOW THAT THEY SCREWED UP ALOTT OF PC'S THEY ARE NO WHERE TO BE FOUND.
i WANT A DAM ANSWER NOW OK, IM SO TICKED OFF
A system restore has worked for other users, however it may not be necessary to go to that length. As stated in the original post of this thread there are numerous knowledgebase articles and ways you can fix the single file (boot.ini) that is causing the issue.
Now do I need to unistall the game and re download it?
The patched game itself should be fine.
im afraid bro to even click on it. is this ok if i delete eve and completely dn it now, will it be good then?
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:53:00 -
[457]
Originally by: Stooboy
I feel sorry for the Developers at CCP who have worked very hard on bring us what has been the most anticipated update in recent times, and from what i saw of the patch one of the most smoothest and lag free transitions, what now should be a celebration is now over shadowed by a bug that can only be considered gross misconduct.
as a developer myself, i realise the importance of doing install tests, upgrades, uninstalls, compatibility against os, AV etc.
I would give ccp the credit for actually having done this, and wonder if perhaps some form of industrial sabotage or disgruntled employee has had something to do with this.
Perhaps in some days we can hear how this fault was able to arrise.
Stoo.
Well said
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Infinitus Maximus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:54:00 -
[458]
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Oh this is worrying.
Im not at home but im pretty certain i updated b4 4am.
I am concerned as some people (myself included) do not have a windows XP disc since retailers do not include them in prebuilt machines (such as pcworld, staples, currys or whatever).
Does this bug prevent me from booting to windows or something?
If am in this situaton and have no xp disc, how can i create a boot.ini file?
Im just concerned that i may potentially have to go out and purchase a copy of XP which will cost alot of money, whilst i appreciate that problems may happen on patch days and as such, may not be able to play for a few days as eve is down, is part of mmos'. What i am extremely displeased about is that this has effected me and ME personally. If i cannot boot my computer, well, i cannot do anything. alot of my RL work is obviously conducted on my computer, my family use it for various tasks.
I have never heard of anything like this happening before, ever.
However, i may just be jumping the gun and its nothing to worry about :D
Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
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Gothikia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:54:00 -
[459]
Media is picking it up
http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2007/12/eve_online_trinity_patch_corru.html
http://mmorpg.qj.net/EVE-Online-Trinity-patch-deletes-boot-ini-file-from-Windows-XP-OS/pg/49/aid/109119
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/12/06/eve_online_update_danger/
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:55:00 -
[460]
If you have a XP install disc Run it at bootup, press "R" when its loaded, Select your windows install when prompted, type the admin password (if you dont know what this is its probably blank) and type "bootcfg /rebuild" and follow its instructions.
This WILL fix it if you havent got a clue what you are doing.
Love
Deathcore
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Pelf Matagraph
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:55:00 -
[461]
Even though I'm not terribly bothered by this problem (I just rewrote the file from scratch), I have to give the devs an insult on this one:
"You don't deserve sleep"
You really don't. Bad bad bad work. Horrible- you should literally be ashamed. You have disabled *thousands* of computers. Many of your customers will not be able to fix this themselves.
My mind boggles at the intensity of this screwup. You'd have been better off if you had just published a racial slur in your patch notes.
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Lobster Man
Murder-Death-Kill
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:55:00 -
[462]
ccp strikes again <3
hope you don't get sued over this for some data loss or something...
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Bryg Philomena
Green Lantern Corps
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:55:00 -
[463]
Also, you can go to start -> run and type in msconfig
Go to the boot.ini tab, and type that into notepad.
This will show your multi-boot ones IF you havent restarted yet
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Am I reading this correctly? You claim you have a bug that undresses female avatars???
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:56:00 -
[464]
Originally by: Stooboy
I feel sorry for the Developers at CCP who have worked very hard on bring us what has been the most anticipated update in recent times, and from what i saw of the patch one of the most smoothest and lag free transitions, what now should be a celebration is now over shadowed by a bug that can only be considered gross misconduct.
Bug??? Malicious code - simple as that. I am not quite sure if CCP realized the extent of possible consequences yet.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:56:00 -
[465]
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Oh this is worrying.
Im not at home but im pretty certain i updated b4 4am.
I am concerned as some people (myself included) do not have a windows XP disc since retailers do not include them in prebuilt machines (such as pcworld, staples, currys or whatever).
Does this bug prevent me from booting to windows or something?
If am in this situaton and have no xp disc, how can i create a boot.ini file?
Im just concerned that i may potentially have to go out and purchase a copy of XP which will cost alot of money, whilst i appreciate that problems may happen on patch days and as such, may not be able to play for a few days as eve is down, is part of mmos'. What i am extremely displeased about is that this has effected me and ME personally. If i cannot boot my computer, well, i cannot do anything. alot of my RL work is obviously conducted on my computer, my family use it for various tasks.
I have never heard of anything like this happening before, ever.
However, i may just be jumping the gun and its nothing to worry about :D
Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
Do you have access to a friend's XP CD, or maybe even a cd-burner for yourself, to create an emergency boot disk?
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De'Zori
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:56:00 -
[466]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: De'Zori
not sure about the rest of you but i have a crapload of work material on my computer that i only backup every 3 days.
if this stuff is gone i will most likely loose my job....
Don't stress dude - your data is 100% intact, just run through the procedures that CCP has stated and you'll be fine!
problem is i only have that 1 computer at home. if it wont boot then its gonna be hard too read how too fix it.. i cant possibly memorize all this stuff while at work lol...
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:56:00 -
[467]
well we develop mods at forgottenhonor.com and we beta test for a minimum of 1 month or so to make sure this doesnt happen. fell free to contact me there, Trully disgusted at this mess and the data I lost, but the system restore at least appears to have worked for that im thankfull.
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TheXtreme
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:57:00 -
[468]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: TheXtreme
Hello i have had my boot.ini deleted aswell i have followed all the instructions to correct it
[ i have Windows XP Home Edition ]
but in msconfig when i click *Check All Boot Paths* it tells me this [ see screen shot ]
Any help ?
Try the procedure here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=4#100
Sorted Thanks A great deal, and i hope others are more understanding ! the work CCP do here is hard and complex, untill you have tryed it yourself Show some Bloody Understanding and stay calm.
Thankyou again
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Furious Hawk
Caldari
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:57:00 -
[469]
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 13:00:59
This is odd, I don't have the boot file, yet I remember restarting my computer last night just fine after patching...
Maybe I remember wrong, or perhaps my XP is 1337 and does not need a stupid boot file to tell it what to do. :P
I'm going to wait for an official fix by CCP, instead of downloading the file from a link listed earlier. I just hope the snow in my area doesn't knock down any power cables hehe.
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Kazuma Saruwatari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:58:00 -
[470]
Originally by: Pelf Matagraph
Even though I'm not terribly bothered by this problem (I just rewrote the file from scratch), I have to give the devs an insult on this one:
"You don't deserve sleep"
You really don't. Bad bad bad work. Horrible- you should literally be ashamed. You have disabled *thousands* of computers. Many of your customers will not be able to fix this themselves.
My mind boggles at the intensity of this screwup. You'd have been better off if you had just published a racial slur in your patch notes.
I'm afraid I have to agree with quoted message up above CCP. Seriously, the screwup with the t20 scandal (dead and over with, I know) then this?
Seriously CCP, we all know you're human and can make mistakes, but this just is unforgivable on all counts.
Somebody has to pay, and pay dearly.
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The Ptolemy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:58:00 -
[471]
Edited by: The Ptolemy on 06/12/2007 12:57:56
Just had this issue. I was running 2 clients, undocked both and everything froze up. Computer auto-restarted and was missing or corrupt hal.dll. I had to start the Windows Recovery console from my XP CD (that goodness I got the CD instead of just the crappy patition from dell) and recreated the boot.ini (I think, no idea, just did what a knowledge base article I found before this site told me to do). Everything currently is working however I'd just a bit scared to log off. My boot.ini is currently on the system.
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Lady Hestia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:58:00 -
[472]
I have SP2 and WINDOWS MEDIA CENTER EDITION. My Boot is fine.
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corrodedmonkee
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:59:00 -
[473]
...so at last i have a reason for dual booting Vista/XP
so i can now fix XP, knew i shouldn't have turned my PC off this morning lol
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De'Zori
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:59:00 -
[474]
Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
for the love of god. can someone confirm this? :D
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:59:00 -
[475]
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: De'Zori
not sure about the rest of you but i have a crapload of work material on my computer that i only backup every 3 days.
if this stuff is gone i will most likely loose my job....
Don't stress dude - your data is 100% intact, just run through the procedures that CCP has stated and you'll be fine!
problem is i only have that 1 computer at home. if it wont boot then its gonna be hard too read how too fix it.. i cant possibly memorize all this stuff while at work lol...
You couldn't grab an XP CD from somewhere you're at now? Do you have access to a CD-burner now?
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MuadChef
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 12:59:00 -
[476]
Ok, after reading 11 pages, I am still slightly confused!
Last night circa 11pm I opened my client and completed the small patch to Classic, whilst in the background began the download for "Premium". I then promptly installed premium to view the shiny new graphics. 3 Hours of game play later and work this morning I decided to shut down for the night.
This morning, I get up turn the computer on and everything works fine.. No Problems.
My Eve is installed in my "C:" directory with Windows.
Taking advice from an earlier post, I go to "Start->ControlPanel->Sytem->Advanced->Startup and Recovery-> Settings?!?"
I receive the message "The C:\boot.ini file can not be opened. Operating System and Timeout settings can not be changed."
Being that the PC running Windows XP SP2 rebooted fine this morning, am I OK. Do I need to follow paths to repair anything and is there another way of checking that my "boot.ini" file is not corrupt?
Thankyou.
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Deathcore
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:00:00 -
[477]
Edited by: Deathcore on 06/12/2007 13:00:03
Just a thought never tried this but from experiance it should work, look at a similar Boot.ini file copy/paste it into notepad, save as a .ini file in the root of your drive.
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=5
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(0)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(0)\WINDOWS="1"
That should work for most of you, unless of course you have a partitoned drive and/or 2 drives etc etc
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:00:00 -
[478]
Originally by: The Ptolemy
Edited by: The Ptolemy on 06/12/2007 12:57:56
Just had this issue. I was running 2 clients, undocked both and everything froze up. Computer auto-restarted and was missing or corrupt hal.dll. I had to start the Windows Recovery console from my XP CD (that goodness I got the CD instead of just the crappy patition from dell) and recreated the boot.ini (I think, no idea, just did what a knowledge base article I found before this site told me to do). Everything currently is working however I'd just a bit scared to log off. My boot.ini is currently on the system.
The issue was caused only by the patching process itself. As you have already replaced your boot.ini and started up fine, you will be OK
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o0TuNa0o
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:00:00 -
[479]
Epic Fail CCP...
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:01:00 -
[480]
Originally by: Lady Hestia
I have SP2 and WINDOWS MEDIA CENTER EDITION. My Boot is fine.
Depending on your machine, Windows can start still. This only applies in specific circumstances. Nonetheless: if you do not fix it, you will be affected sooner or later, so better check if you got your boot.ini.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:01:00 -
[481]
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 13:01:46
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
for the love of god. can someone confirm this? :D
If your Windows installation is on the C: drive and EVE is on another drive, eg E: you will be FINE!
See my post here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=12#352
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zombu2
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:01:00 -
[482]
well this explaines what happened to my windows machines
my question is what has ccp to do with our boot.ini files i don t know if that got already answered but i m kinda courious whats up with that
well i guess i m gonna reinstall wanted to do that anyways
i m kinda disappointed but **** happens
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De'Zori
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:02:00 -
[483]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
for the love of god. can someone confirm this? :D
If your Windows installation is on the C: drive and EVE is on another drive, eg E: you will be FINE!
ah thank god....ty for respondong that fast huldradans. gotto love scandainavians
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S3dINSTBE
The-British-Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:02:00 -
[484]
Haha epic f**k up.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:03:00 -
[485]
tbh for any ccp to use a smily face after this mess is in poor taste. anyhow If i delete eve and re dn it will my character still be saved? And is the dn available, and safte to dn? see no smily face here cause Im not smileing.
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corporal hicks
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:03:00 -
[486]
Originally by: FHPhantom
tbh for any ccp to use a smily face after this mess is in poor taste. anyhow If i delete eve and re dn it will my character still be saved? And is the dn available, and safte to dn? see no smily face here cause Im not smileing.
Your character is saved on the eve server not client side, it wont be affected.
" Stay Frosty "
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:04:00 -
[487]
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
for the love of god. can someone confirm this? :D
If your Windows installation is on the C: drive and EVE is on another drive, eg E: you will be FINE!
ah thank god....ty for respondong that fast huldradans. gotto love scandainavians
Haha! I'm South African, but this is a name of a song by a Scandinavian band :)
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Lohgan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:04:00 -
[488]
Man...am I glad my current computer can't handle the premium install! I'm still running classic, so no issues here.
Regardless, I will not be bashing CCP or cancelling my account that I just opened yesterday. I have been with EVE on and off since the Beta, which I was a part of. Through that time, CCP has been GREAT. Easily the best and most reliable MMO out there. Some may not agree, but that's how I see it. CCP definitely made a huge mistake in allowing this type of error to occur, but I know they will make sure it never happens again.
Obviously lots of great advice in this thread on fixing the issue. If anything, EVERYONE should learn from this problem - keep an up-to-date system restore at all times. Make lots of backups of important data. If reasonable, keep a cheap computer for work/school related uses.
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Caterpillar
AUS Corporation
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:04:00 -
[489]
I had a very similar experience to 'The Ptolemy' although my problems would now appear to have been caused by updating my test client. The DELL knowledge base and Windows CD came to my rescue however and it wasn't such a big deal. I am probably going to have to go through the routine again this evening as I updated my live client to premium graphics last night just before logging off for the night. Oh well. :)
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:05:00 -
[490]
Originally by: FHPhantom
tbh for any ccp to use a smily face after this mess is in poor taste. anyhow If i delete eve and re dn it will my character still be saved? And is the dn available, and safte to dn? see no smily face here cause Im not smileing.
Character information is stored server side, and is not affected if you delete or uninstall your eve client.
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Commander Criton
Gallente
The Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:05:00 -
[491]
I have no boot.ini but i managed to boot up just fine lol (XP sp2)
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:05:00 -
[492]
People who lost work should ask themselves - Why did i destroy my harddrive? With a little bit of searching they could have found out it's as easy as get a bootdisk and place a text file on their HD....
I'm truly staggered by the amount of people that think a format is always the only solution to whatever Windows does. If the data was that important those people will have to ask themselves why they systemrestored and formatted so quickly.
EVE History Wiki
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Tristeria
Phantasmal Collective
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:05:00 -
[493]
install the premium content last night, turn off my computer, sleep, wake up, go to university, log onto university comp, read this, **** bricks.
WTF I don't get home for another 6 hours, I don't even know if I still have my xp installation CD, ALL of my 2nd year coursework and notes are stored on my C drive at home.....
I'm don't know what to say
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De'Zori
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:05:00 -
[494]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
for the love of god. can someone confirm this? :D
If your Windows installation is on the C: drive and EVE is on another drive, eg E: you will be FINE!
ah thank god....ty for respondong that fast huldradans. gotto love scandainavians
heheh huldrandas, = Huldra (old mythical scary fat female creature in the woods) dans= dance , so basicly some scary fat lady dancing eheh
Haha! I'm South African, but this is a name of a song by a Scandinavian band :)
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Lt Jhaack
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:06:00 -
[495]
I started downloading patch at 9 am and got my boot.ini deleted when i installed it. So why CCP says it only affects people who downloaded it before 4 AM ?! Thank you god i saw this thread and checked that my boot.ini was deleted.
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Fantus
Caldari
KAOS.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:06:00 -
[496]
I just want to point out that anyone with a dual boot machine, or machines with utility partitions (Dell, HP) need to use the Windows Recovery Console to restore the boot.ini, unless you know the geometry of your disks, and where the windows partition starts.
Full instructions can be found here:
http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=330184
Hope this helps.
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Infinitus Maximus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:06:00 -
[497]
Edited by: Infinitus Maximus on 06/12/2007 13:07:17
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Oh this is worrying.
Im not at home but im pretty certain i updated b4 4am.
I am concerned as some people (myself included) do not have a windows XP disc since retailers do not include them in prebuilt machines (such as pcworld, staples, currys or whatever).
Does this bug prevent me from booting to windows or something?
If am in this situaton and have no xp disc, how can i create a boot.ini file?
Im just concerned that i may potentially have to go out and purchase a copy of XP which will cost alot of money, whilst i appreciate that problems may happen on patch days and as such, may not be able to play for a few days as eve is down, is part of mmos'. What i am extremely displeased about is that this has effected me and ME personally. If i cannot boot my computer, well, i cannot do anything. alot of my RL work is obviously conducted on my computer, my family use it for various tasks.
I have never heard of anything like this happening before, ever.
However, i may just be jumping the gun and its nothing to worry about :D
Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
Do you have access to a friend's XP CD, or maybe even a cd-burner for yourself, to create an emergency boot disk?
I have a CD burner! My system has a hidden partition (seems to be fairly standard for pc world kit) also - dunno if that helps.
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Captain Sulu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:06:00 -
[498]
Xp64 seems unaffected
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Ms Belle
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:08:00 -
[499]
Well I am sitting at work reading this and from what I have read my XP Home will need fixing too. I would note I booted up no problems this morning however I did not pay much attention to the screen (in the shower at the time)EvE fired up with no issues.
When I get home tonight I'll try the fix however I dont see what all the fuss is about. Worst comes to worst I'll do a full reinstall. TBH my machine could use one anyhow.
For those people without disks see if you have any friends with one as all your activation codes for your install will be on your PC somewhere. It is a time consuming process but view it as an opportunity to have an early spring clean for the holiday season. For people who have not done a full reinstall before you will be surprised at how much more responsive your machine will be after a few hours work
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:08:00 -
[500]
Originally by: Lohgan
but I know they will make sure it never happens again.
Even though I agree with your other points, CCP have made similar errors in the past (deleting stuff outside the instalation directory). but meh, mistakes happen and if your computer is so vital that you loose thousends of dollars worth of stuff by reinstalling (even though it isn't necerary) you should probably have considered to have a proper back up strategy and not even be installing games on that system.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:08:00 -
[501]
I find this an easier suggestion:
Quote:
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If you installed the premium patch and didnt reboot yet there's an easy fix.
1. Locate your "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss .
2. Copy it to your desktop.
3. Delete the ".backup" extension so teh file is named "boot.ini"
4. Copy your brand new shiny boot.ini to your root directory. (in most cases c:\)
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What does #4 exactly mean? ROOT DIRECTORY??
also it seems my boot file was also deleted however, my comp ws able to restart.
my folder goes as following: C:/program files/ccp/eve
does this mean my comp isnt affected?
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Sirikar Nakasoroki
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:08:00 -
[502]
Originally by: Lt Jhaack
I started downloading patch at 9 am and got my boot.ini deleted when i installed it. So why CCP says it only affects people who downloaded it before 4 AM ?! Thank you god i saw this thread and checked that my boot.ini was deleted.
They mean 4 am GMT.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:09:00 -
[503]
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Edited by: Infinitus Maximus on 06/12/2007 13:07:17
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Oh this is worrying.
Im not at home but im pretty certain i updated b4 4am.
I am concerned as some people (myself included) do not have a windows XP disc since retailers do not include them in prebuilt machines (such as pcworld, staples, currys or whatever).
Does this bug prevent me from booting to windows or something?
If am in this situaton and have no xp disc, how can i create a boot.ini file?
Im just concerned that i may potentially have to go out and purchase a copy of XP which will cost alot of money, whilst i appreciate that problems may happen on patch days and as such, may not be able to play for a few days as eve is down, is part of mmos'. What i am extremely displeased about is that this has effected me and ME personally. If i cannot boot my computer, well, i cannot do anything. alot of my RL work is obviously conducted on my computer, my family use it for various tasks.
I have never heard of anything like this happening before, ever.
However, i may just be jumping the gun and its nothing to worry about :D
Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
Do you have access to a friend's XP CD, or maybe even a cd-burner for yourself, to create an emergency boot disk?
I have a CD burner! My system has a hidden partition (seems to be fairly standard for pc world kit) also - dunno if that helps.
So you have more than one partition, ie. one for Windows installation, and another for games and applications?
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Garborg
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:09:00 -
[504]
XP64 was effected just as well, you have seperate partition for OS and game? Did you download the new patch after the fix they added a few hours ago? Did you get the premium grafics update?
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:09:00 -
[505]
Edited by: FHPhantom on 06/12/2007 13:09:44
I have to reinstall anyhow tried to start eve and got errors 1o times over. this isnt even slightly a problem, this is something that someone is liable over now.
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BladeYU
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:09:00 -
[506]
is it now save or not???
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zombu2
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:09:00 -
[507]
well some ppl are not that good with computers and panic if something happens to their pc you know most of the pc s have the stupid F11 button for recovery that ruins the partition and just installs a fresh copy (yes i m staring at you dell and hp)
guys all i gotta say is it happened and nothing we can do about it exept damage control
but still what has our boot.ini to do with eve???
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Lambda Kron
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:10:00 -
[508]
Rebuild the boot.ini file:
command menu or similar, repair console:
command:> bootcfg /rebuild
finish :D
Reboot your system
Greetings
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Rualeth
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:10:00 -
[509]
As i was slowly sinking into depression whilst reading the news, i came across the dude/dudette who said that you're immune if you install to non-sys partition. lucky me, i've seperated system from my documents/files/games ages ago. made a good habbit of it and still am glad for it :)
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Lt Jhaack
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:10:00 -
[510]
Edited by: Lt Jhaack on 06/12/2007 13:10:58
Quote:
I started downloading patch at 9 am and got my boot.ini deleted when i installed it. So why CCP says it only affects people who downloaded it before 4 AM ?! Thank you god i saw this thread and checked that my boot.ini was deleted.
Quote:
They mean 4 am GMT.
I also mean 9 AM GMT. It was 10 AM in Paris GMT + 1 so 9 AM GMT.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:11:00 -
[511]
Originally by: BladeYU
is it now save or not???
who knows bro I asked that question and still waiting to see if its safe to dn agn myself.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:12:00 -
[512]
Well so far Ive been unable to recover my OS.
Not being all that technically minded it looks as if the PC will have to go and be repaired, no doubt at some cost.
Well done.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Sirikar Nakasoroki
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:12:00 -
[513]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Edited by: Infinitus Maximus on 06/12/2007 13:07:17
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Oh this is worrying.
Im not at home but im pretty certain i updated b4 4am.
I am concerned as some people (myself included) do not have a windows XP disc since retailers do not include them in prebuilt machines (such as pcworld, staples, currys or whatever).
Does this bug prevent me from booting to windows or something?
If am in this situaton and have no xp disc, how can i create a boot.ini file?
Im just concerned that i may potentially have to go out and purchase a copy of XP which will cost alot of money, whilst i appreciate that problems may happen on patch days and as such, may not be able to play for a few days as eve is down, is part of mmos'. What i am extremely displeased about is that this has effected me and ME personally. If i cannot boot my computer, well, i cannot do anything. alot of my RL work is obviously conducted on my computer, my family use it for various tasks.
I have never heard of anything like this happening before, ever.
However, i may just be jumping the gun and its nothing to worry about :D
Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
Do you have access to a friend's XP CD, or maybe even a cd-burner for yourself, to create an emergency boot disk?
I have a CD burner! My system has a hidden partition (seems to be fairly standard for pc world kit) also - dunno if that helps.
So you have more than one partition, ie. one for Windows installation, and another for games and applications?
Chances are its windows data files for installing windows not the os in its operational form on the hidden partition.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:13:00 -
[514]
uninstalled and tbh thinking bout not going back. I will not jepordise anymore data till I know it's safe. That we are all entitled to know. If this happened what next the blue screen of death.
im sick in the stomache over this.
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Aram Thracius
Amarr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:13:00 -
[515]
was fine last night, this morning the boot.ini was gone, well, at least it's a simple fix
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Infinitus Maximus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:13:00 -
[516]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Edited by: Infinitus Maximus on 06/12/2007 13:07:17
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Oh this is worrying.
Im not at home but im pretty certain i updated b4 4am.
I am concerned as some people (myself included) do not have a windows XP disc since retailers do not include them in prebuilt machines (such as pcworld, staples, currys or whatever).
Does this bug prevent me from booting to windows or something?
If am in this situaton and have no xp disc, how can i create a boot.ini file?
Im just concerned that i may potentially have to go out and purchase a copy of XP which will cost alot of money, whilst i appreciate that problems may happen on patch days and as such, may not be able to play for a few days as eve is down, is part of mmos'. What i am extremely displeased about is that this has effected me and ME personally. If i cannot boot my computer, well, i cannot do anything. alot of my RL work is obviously conducted on my computer, my family use it for various tasks.
I have never heard of anything like this happening before, ever.
However, i may just be jumping the gun and its nothing to worry about :D
Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
Do you have access to a friend's XP CD, or maybe even a cd-burner for yourself, to create an emergency boot disk?
I have a CD burner! My system has a hidden partition (seems to be fairly standard for pc world kit) also - dunno if that helps.
So you have more than one partition, ie. one for Windows installation, and another for games and applications?
yeah, i think so :D im not that computer savvy.
i have one hard disk and a c and a d drive so i guess that means yes :)
eve installs onto the c drive - d drive for all the system stuff
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Son Goku007
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:13:00 -
[517]
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Shevar
Minmatar
A.W.M
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:13:00 -
[518]
The instalations that caused problems have been removed from the download location. So if you download your eve updates right now it should be ok.
If you run the update you downloaded right after deployment of trinity you will be screwed.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:13:00 -
[519]
I cannot understand.
There are people here in the forum complain that they PC isn't working and what to do.
Or blame CCP.
Hold on a sec.
a) First of all to be online and here means you either have access to 2nd computer or your is working.
b) If you gave your computer to someone to sorted and they told you "format and reinstallation of windows" then they don't know how to properly solve a problem like this. There are tools the PROPER profecionals use that check a disk/computer for basic issues. Especialy when MS screws the windows\config folder ALL THE TIME real engineers know how to do it.
c) regarding to "whom I sue", "compensation etc", STOP NOW. Sue MS for the incompetend system they build and that allowed 3rd party applications be able to get access and delete critical system files. It can happen to anyone and as you can see ANY 3rd party program can screw your system up. None can prove that you had a problem either way. Even MS doesn't compensate on issues they create.
d) The responsible people should make a list of all the trolls here and start popping them.
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:14:00 -
[520]
Originally by: Cailais
Well so far Ive been unable to recover my OS.
Not being all that technically minded it looks as if the PC will have to go and be repaired, no doubt at some cost.
Well done.
C.
Do you have the original Windows install disks handy?
Are you able to get through some of the steps in the article here?
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Valourium Trigger
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:14:00 -
[521]
Thanks alot eve piece of junk company now I have to fix my computer when i get home tonight
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Tyranis Bolke
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:14:00 -
[522]
Sweet Zombie Jesus, what a***** up.
Sorted my computer now, but this really should have been picked up in testing.
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Cultcorp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:14:00 -
[523]
I am running media pro sp2 and boot.ini is screwed, if your running any version of XP, more then likely u r affected, however im sure there can be certain situations where people might have some kind of program running in the background that protects the boot.ini file from being corrupted or deleted, and probally are totally unaware that they even have this.
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Species 5618
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:15:00 -
[524]
Originally by: zombu2
but still what has our boot.ini to do with eve???
nothing, it simply lets the NTloader (the process that kickstarts a windows install, find the partition that your windows install is on.
rather luckily if your windows install is in the default place, and on the default active partition, then windows should just work.
this is a*****up of monumental proportions, really honestly id be supprised if ccp doesnt get in serious trouble for this.
/Theo
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:16:00 -
[525]
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Edited by: Infinitus Maximus on 06/12/2007 13:07:17
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Originally by: Infinitus Maximus
Oh this is worrying.
Im not at home but im pretty certain i updated b4 4am.
I am concerned as some people (myself included) do not have a windows XP disc since retailers do not include them in prebuilt machines (such as pcworld, staples, currys or whatever).
Does this bug prevent me from booting to windows or something?
If am in this situaton and have no xp disc, how can i create a boot.ini file?
Im just concerned that i may potentially have to go out and purchase a copy of XP which will cost alot of money, whilst i appreciate that problems may happen on patch days and as such, may not be able to play for a few days as eve is down, is part of mmos'. What i am extremely displeased about is that this has effected me and ME personally. If i cannot boot my computer, well, i cannot do anything. alot of my RL work is obviously conducted on my computer, my family use it for various tasks.
I have never heard of anything like this happening before, ever.
However, i may just be jumping the gun and its nothing to worry about :D
Thanks in advance anyone who answers.
Do you have access to a friend's XP CD, or maybe even a cd-burner for yourself, to create an emergency boot disk?
I have a CD burner! My system has a hidden partition (seems to be fairly standard for pc world kit) also - dunno if that helps.
So you have more than one partition, ie. one for Windows installation, and another for games and applications?
yeah, i think so :D im not that computer savvy.
i have one hard disk and a c and a d drive so i guess that means yes :)
eve installs onto the c drive - d drive for all the system stuff
In that case you should be fine!
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zombu2
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:17:00 -
[526]
i still havent got an answer what is ccp messing around with the boot inin files
CAN I GET AN ANSWER TO THIS
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Damion Dark
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:17:00 -
[527]
Also if you have EVE installed on a drive seperate from your operating system for example mine is c: drive operating system and utilities.... everything else games etc on drive D:
I havent been affected by this and my boot.ini is unaltered!!
Don't know if this helps but thought I would toss it out there
Good Luck!!!
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Tyranis Bolke
Kingfisher Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:24:00 -
[528]
Originally by: Sojourner Romulus
Hi. I checked my boot.ini and it is there, but it is only 1 kilobyte. How big should it be?
Ty.
That's about the right size. You're free to carry on as normal.
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Kaar
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:24:00 -
[529]
Originally by: Vladimir Stukovich
I did a search and found my boot.ini file in the eve folder, if I move it back to the windows file will my computer still be effected?
That is not your windows boot.ini, thats the one that eve uses.
Your windows boot.ini should be in C:\
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Light Darkness
Mercenaries of Andosia
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:24:00 -
[530]
Edited by: Light Darkness on 06/12/2007 13:24:41
I dont know how to avoid that problem buit i got help with this link:
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000648.htm
Repair link
So if you have problems please follow this steps and you are fine.
I did it and it worked.
/LD
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:25:00 -
[531]
Originally by: Scylia Moljo
What if one cancels the premium graphical content install?
I decided to cancel the download and subsequently cant run eve right now...
If you cancelled the download, you should have no problems with this issue. If you cancelled the installation of the downloaded content patch, there is a chance your boot.ini has been removed. I would suggest checking it is there, and if it is not, follow the steps in the original post to fix it.
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Caldari
The Greater Good
Novus Aevum
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:25:00 -
[532]
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
for the love of god. can someone confirm this? :D
me as im lazy :P
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zombu2
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:25:00 -
[533]
i agree with this statement
this is the reason why i run linux on my main machines and windows on the ones i game with but still it is an unbelivable error made by ccp that can not be excused at all
i really don t care what happens to my windows machines since i just reinstall if something happens fixing it is too much work hehe and i have nothing important on them anyways
the thing is though like some of the ppl here said earlyer there are some players out here that are totally computer literate
and or only have 1 computer we don t know yet how many people are affected by this error that are not able to boot and can not read this messages
if i would be a gm or boss of ccp i would put on a big jacket its gonne be a hell of lawsuits coming your way especially from the usa
this fopar could have been avoided if somebody would have tested the patch before it went live
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:25:00 -
[534]
Unfortunately your front page warning is not so good, you already got better recommendations in forum - read here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=652201
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:26:00 -
[535]
yep
->My Vids<-
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Psylo Yar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:26:00 -
[536]
Just wanted to say that I'm running Win XP Media Edition, and was not affected by this.
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Sojourner Romulus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:26:00 -
[537]
Originally by: Tyranis Bolke
Originally by: Sojourner Romulus
Hi. I checked my boot.ini and it is there, but it is only 1 kilobyte. How big should it be?
Ty.
That's about the right size. You're free to carry on as normal.
Ty. :)
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Isan Danderoda
Strix Armaments and Defence
Acheron Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:26:00 -
[538]
Thank you for spamming this in game. If this actually ended up causing problems because of the missing boot.ini I would have been mighty POed during my next reboot. :)
Fortunately my install on the computer I updated first is pretty vanilla so the example given should work out fine. :)
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Vishnej
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:27:00 -
[539]
Edited by: Vishnej on 06/12/2007 13:27:07
Originally by: Kepleious
Ok, I'll admit I'm confused.
1. I seem to have downloaded the premium content after upgrading classic yesterday evening, either 2300 or 2400.
2. I am running XP SP2
3. EVE is on Drive C
4. I do not have a system boot.ini file.
5. I booted my computer this morning, say 1230 GMT, without incident.
6. Do I now have to leave the computer on because I've played EVE or would it not have booted if I have the problem?
Thanks,
Kep
Likely, your boot.ini file is either there but flagged "hidden file" or it's in another system folder, as sometimes happens. Don't worry about it.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:27:00 -
[540]
Thanx guys, great job on testing the patch
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:27:00 -
[541]
Originally by: Iron Elohim
I think i remade my boot.ini properly, but doesnt anyone know?
I have Windows XP Media Center edition SP2, will the below work?
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition" /fastdetect
Go to Start, click Run and type: msconfig <hit enter>
Then click the 'boot.ini' tab - click "Check All Boot Paths"
That should indicate if you're safe to reboot or not.
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Baulath
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:28:00 -
[542]
I can't believe CCP managed to remove my boot.ini file. Utter FAILURE on your part. I wonder exactly how many people this morning are having major computer problems? How many are driving their PC to a computer shop right now to have it repaired? I can't believe this wasn't picked up during testing.. Oh wait... Large companies, CCP, Microsoft.. They don't actually beta test, hence all the problems come release.
No doubt CCP is covered in the EULA for doing such heinous crimes, else I'd be stating one thing; LAW SUIT.
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:28:00 -
[543]
Originally by: Psylo Yar
Just wanted to say that I'm running Win XP Media Edition, and was not affected by this.
Check if you got a boot.ini in C:\ respectively your boot drive and act accordingly if not :)
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Arakn1s
Amarr
Quaver Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:28:00 -
[544]
Hmm stopped reading at the 3rd page, i love all those ppl that will cancel their subscription, sue CCP, leave the game and handover their stuff, will take the first plane to go kill all the CCP staff, will have everybody fired etc etc.
Thank you CCP for bringing this awesome update it really changed the game completely.
**** happens with installers either to online or single player games, anyone who has played for a little time knows that.
Just decide if you want to solve your problem and play or ***** about it for a month because you dont have anywhere else to show your hate.
For the ppl that will start flaming me, my computer was buggered too and i had to restore a 6 month old ghost image, so what?
Work with those ppl to help you back, dont make things more difficult.
/hope everybody solves their problems and enjoys the awesome new EVE
Thanks again
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StarStryder
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:33:00 -
[545]
Edited by: StarStryder on 06/12/2007 13:34:05
Edited by: StarStryder on 06/12/2007 13:33:14
Yes, this is a world class screw, but for the love of God would people stop *****ing until they've bothered to read the information that's already been posted.
For example, how can you delete a file by mistake. Already explained quite clearly here:
Originally by: El'essar Viocragh
There comes a time in one's life where one learns why using relative paths in scripts is bad.
Sometimes you delete half your harddrive, sometimes other peoples boot.ini.
Your installer asks for the installation directory.
Save that as $BASEPATH
Do not cd into $BASEPATH and work with relative paths from there. Bad things happen along that road.
Prefix all you relative paths with $BASEPATH.
- BAD!
- cd C:\Games\Eve
- del \boot.ini
- del otherfile.txt
- ...
- GOOD!
- del C:\Games\Eve\\boot.ini
- del C:\Games\Eve\otherfile.txt
- ...
Safe-guards for those typos were put into realpath libraries long ago. Use them.
If that's too hard for you to understand then stop asking anyway because you aren't going to under the answer.
Another great example is FHPhantom and his "I lost data doing a system restore" whining. Once again, reading things would saved his data by allowing a recovery by typing a few lines of text into notepad with no nothing else on the system changed.
The only people who have a case for claiming compensation are those with access to only one PC who have little choice but to get it repaired professionally.
But then they won't be on the forum whining because they don't have access to the internet!
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:33:00 -
[546]
Originally by: Greme
Edited by: Greme on 06/12/2007 13:31:06
I have a strange situation, if anyone can help me figure out what to do, go for it.
Basically, there appears to be no boot.ini in my C:\ folder (main HD folder), not as an unhidden file, or a hidden file.
However, when I download the winxpboot.ini and try to rename it to boot.ini within my C:\ folder, it tells me to name it something different as there is already something with that name in the folder.
However, as I said before, as far as I can tell, there isn't.
Do I trust the windows message or my own eyes?
Msconfig boot.ini tab "check all boot paths" also states that I am safe..... but still no sign of my boot.ini!
Open c:\ from "My Computer", go to tools, Folder options, seleve view tab, uncheck the following;
"Hide protected operating System files"
and select "show Hidden Files"
then look to see in the boot.ini file is there, if its not, windows is lieing to you and you should trust your own eyes.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:34:00 -
[547]
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
I've added an entry into my rarely-updated EVE Online blog (link below my sig).
This event is just unprecedented. No sane person will ever forgive this mistake.
CCP, once the dust settles, we want blood. And this time, we want it for real.
I've forgiven them :)
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Metlec
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:34:00 -
[548]
Originally by: Lord DevilHanzo
You effing monkeys is all I can say.
Thanks to you my PC is now being repaired at an as yet unknown cost, not to mention the loss of files since my last backup, which happens to be a lot of important uni work.
CCP, I will be seeking legal advice if you are not prepared to cover the cost of repair.
The loss of data I accept as my fault for not backing up more often but I expect to have free game time to cover the cost coming out of my pocket.
I'm happy for you to check any receipt to prove the repair bill.
Seriously unhappy.
Unless you stored all your uni work in the boot.ini comments, I seriously doubt you can pin any loss of work on that.
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Atreides Ghanima
Grumpy Old Men
DeStInY.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:34:00 -
[549]
Quote:
If you have Windows AND upgraded EVE Online: Trinity Classic before 4 A.M. GMT to Premium using the content upgrade path then you MUST read this before doing anything else.
And the people that upgraded Trinity classic after 4 A.M. GMT ?
Do they have problems? Can I upgrade atm or do I have to wait untill CCP says: GO!!!
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:35:00 -
[550]
Edited by: Lt Jhaack on 06/12/2007 13:34:59
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: Lt Jhaack
Edited by: Lt Jhaack on 06/12/2007 13:31:39
Is there some log on my computer that i can find to show a proof that i downloaded a broken patch at 9 GMT that deleted my boot.ini . Is CCP trying to minimize this event by saying it only affects people before 4 GMT ? I'm not flaming CCP but if it's the case it's not nice. I almost thought my computer was out of danger when i saw it was only before 4 AM and was about to shutdown when i told myself "Let's check to be 100% safe".
CCP please give official answer asap.
Had you started downloading the patch prior to 9am? ie. did you commence downloading the patch after 9, or did the patch finish downloading around then?
I started downloading the patch after 9 AM. It downloaded very fast at 2600KB/S, maybe you can see in your server log. I can give IP by private message if you need.
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lobdab
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:35:00 -
[551]
This is plain crap.
I rebooted before the warning got out and ofc the computer was completely disabled. Without the boot.ini file, and the hal.dll file which also got corrupted in the mess, winxp was utterly impossible to boot or repair - those of us with our OS files on separate paritions (as was the case for the family compy i was using last night) really got shafted here, since you can't run recovery console from it, and you don't have the CD. I couldn't even use NTFS4DOS to make repairs, nevermind the fact not all of us have a spare laptop or the like sitting around. In the end, the only available recourse was a full reinstall, as the compy needed to be fully functional by the morning for business purposes.
No matter how you slice this, this caused a huge amount of damage. Thanks alot for trinity ofc, but ffs if i lived in iceland id have peed all over your front door by now, and told you off something good.
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:35:00 -
[552]
Originally by: De'Zori
Originally by: Garia666
yep
HAHAHA you need too keep that sig forever man...mind if i steal it? awesome
go ahaed i stole it from tweakers.net
->My Vids<-
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:35:00 -
[553]
Originally by: Bacci Galu
Originally by: Greme
Edited by: Greme on 06/12/2007 13:31:06
I have a strange situation, if anyone can help me figure out what to do, go for it.
Basically, there appears to be no boot.ini in my C:\ folder (main HD folder), not as an unhidden file, or a hidden file.
However, when I download the winxpboot.ini and try to rename it to boot.ini within my C:\ folder, it tells me to name it something different as there is already something with that name in the folder.
However, as I said before, as far as I can tell, there isn't.
Do I trust the windows message or my own eyes?
Msconfig boot.ini tab "check all boot paths" also states that I am safe..... but still no sign of my boot.ini!
Open c:\ from "My Computer", go to tools, Folder options, seleve view tab, uncheck the following;
"Hide protected operating System files"
and select "show Hidden Files"
then look to see in the boot.ini file is there, if its not, windows is lieing to you and you should trust your own eyes.
regards
The problem with this is that I cannot now put a boot.ini file into my C:\ directory as it wont let me rename any file to boot.ini :P
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Danag Darklightning
Caldari
Fifth Exiled Legion
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:35:00 -
[554]
Wow, 18+ pages in this thread so far, lots of reading.
Anyways, first, people should not poke at how other people use their PC.
For those you haven't experienced this problem and have chosen to comment on things such as "you should have your system partitioned like this" or "anyone who has their programs installed on their C: drive is lame", or anything else in that area, is just wrong.
90% of people you have PCs with Windows are "out-of-the-box" users. And why shouldn't they be? When you buy a car, do you instantly go home and rip things apart to customize it? Most of us? No. So why should people do that with their computers?
Most computers that come from large manufacturers such as Dell, HP, Acer, etc. are going to have your Windows directory as well as your Program Files directory on the same partition. That's just the way it is.
Also, when you install XP or Vista from CD there is no option to put Windows folder in location A and Program Files in location B. This is a lack of seeing the big picture on Microsoft's part, and should have been added _years_ ago.
In order to get a PC setup that way you either have to slipstream a custom install CD with different paths for different folders or manually enter a different drive:\path when you install things. Both of which most users will never attempt.
That being said, this problem is CCP's fault and no one else's. Not to poke fun at CCP, I love EVE, and programming is hard work. But they apparently failed to test their update client on an "out-of-the-box" setup of XP, which the bulk of Windows users are still using.
Out-of-the-box Windows environment: Everything's on the C: Drive, one account, admin-level, no password, auto-login. Sound familiar? I'll bet it does.
Also, don't be fooled, this problem can still occur on Vista. If you turn off the new layer of protection, which many people do because it's utterly annoying, your boot.ini can still be removed as you have to install the EVE premium content with an Admin-level account.
Don't blame the player, blame the author. But don't kick CCP while they're down. I'm sure they know they goofed, and I'm sure they don't feel to good about it. With a user-base of 200,000+, most of us over the age of 20, and most of us hardcore EVE lovers, I'm certain the last thing they want is us posting messages about "installing EVE will wreck your XP" to various message boards, so it's not like they did it on purpose. So you can safely assume they didn't want their new client to break their users' computers.
Luckily I did not experience this problem. I am not an out-of-the-box user A customer XPproSP2 install CD I built quite some time ago does C: for Windows and D: for everything else, and my other PC is Linux. I played on SiSi for almost two weeks, and installed the Trinity client + premium content, and didn't experience this problem. However, a non out-of-box install is the reason.
However, coming from a programming background, there are certain rules that should always be followed;
- Test your software.on "out-of-the-box" installs of various versions of the operating system(s) that your software is built for. These are real-world type PCs which the bulk of your users will be running with.
- Don't rely on your users to test things
- Test your software.
- Don't rely on the users that _do_ test your software as they are most-likely not "out-of-the-box" type users
- Test your software.
- Test your software
Keep in mind your boot.ini only handles the booting of the machine. You data is still there, and reviving from this is not that horrible.
No back to your regularly scheduled program.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:36:00 -
[555]
fucccking aholes. I want my cc reversed charges since i started play almost 1 year ago. I want a guerente that my computer isnt affected so that next week I get viruses out the arse. cause right now I dont trust this company, with any of my info.
im sick in the stomache over this and on my day off from work ir ruined my day and possibly my pc. I speak for myself and will contact matercard asap. Ill do what i have to do, and I want an answer was our personal info compromised? cause the security of ccp is and has been possibly breeched.
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Mr Fatalis
Dark-Rising
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:36:00 -
[556]
Originally by: Light Darkness
Edited by: Light Darkness on 06/12/2007 13:24:41
I dont know how to avoid that problem buit i got help with this link:
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000648.htm
Repair link
So if you have problems please follow this steps and you are fine.
I did it and it worked.
/LD
Thanks LD and thanks to corp mates on our own forums who have posted similar advice.
CCP: I think you have disappointed a whole lot of very loyal players with this negligent ommission.
Yeah we all joke and I always advise corpies to set a "really long skill" for patch days as there are often hiccups, but this is a hiccup with lots of sick too.
I only hope that when I get home after a hard days work that I can get my machine to work with the kind advice proffered by my colleagues.
I hope you learn from this a cut players a bit of slack as this is a really good game with a loyal following.
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Lord DevilHanzo
Gallente
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:36:00 -
[557]
Originally by: zombu2
Edited by: zombu2 on 06/12/2007 13:32:05
You effing monkeys is all I can say.
Thanks to you my PC is now being repaired at an as yet unknown cost, not to mention the loss of files since my last backup, which happens to be a lot of important uni work.
CCP, I will be seeking legal advice if you are not prepared to cover the cost of repair.
The loss of data I accept as my fault for not backing up more often but I expect to have free game time to cover the cost coming out of my pocket.
I'm happy for you to check any receipt to prove the repair bill.
Seriously unhappy.
you know what STFU
Pipe down, jockey. Just stating my feelings on the matter.
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Sp4rt4nII70
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:36:00 -
[558]
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
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Marlorn Aeon
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:37:00 -
[559]
Can I copy this into a new boot.ini? but i dont have windows xp professional. i gots windows xp media edition
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
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zombu2
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:42:00 -
[560]
Edited by: zombu2 on 06/12/2007 13:42:13
Originally by: FHPhantom
fucccking aholes. I want my cc reversed charges since i started play almost 1 year ago. I want a guerente that my computer isnt affected so that next week I get viruses out the arse. cause right now I dont trust this company, with any of my info.
im sick in the stomache over this and on my day off from work ir ruined my day and possibly my pc. I speak for myself and will contact matercard asap. Ill do what i have to do, and I want an answer was our personal info compromised? cause the security of ccp is and has been possibly breeched.
YOU ARE QUIET A MORON I HAVE TO SAY
what about you give me your email adress and i let you download the faulty patch again and this time make sure you run it
BTW you might wanna start going to school your spelling is horrible
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:42:00 -
[561]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: Cailais
Well so far Ive been unable to recover my OS.
Not being all that technically minded it looks as if the PC will have to go and be repaired, no doubt at some cost.
Well done.
C.
Do you have the original Windows install disks handy?
Are you able to get through some of the steps in the article here?
Yes, but for some reason my PC wouldn't boot from the XP disk. So I delved into the murky world of the BIOS and set to read from CD ROM only.
My computer would then only post this message on start up.
'DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER'
I probably shouldnt have fiddled with the BIOS, but there you go - if you don't try you can't succeed. (Ive finally got back into the BIOS now and sorted that). Perhaps I've got a hardware fault with my CD-ROM drive? Any ideas on how I should have the BIOS set up correctly?
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Dors V
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:42:00 -
[562]
if your running xp home look in your route Dir, start, my comp, from tabs at top select Tools, Folder options, View, under files and folders, check the box for show hiden files and folders. goto your Route Dir (my comp, C or D drive or whatever, look for a file named boot.ini.saved, rename it boot.ini (leaving it in your Route Dir), check the contents are there, thats it all done
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:43:00 -
[563]
Edited by: Bacci Galu on 06/12/2007 13:46:07
Edited by: Bacci Galu on 06/12/2007 13:43:16
Originally by: Greme
Originally by: Bacci Galu
Originally by: Greme
Edited by: Greme on 06/12/2007 13:31:06
I have a strange situation, if anyone can help me figure out what to do, go for it.
Basically, there appears to be no boot.ini in my C:\ folder (main HD folder), not as an unhidden file, or a hidden file.
However, when I download the winxpboot.ini and try to rename it to boot.ini within my C:\ folder, it tells me to name it something different as there is already something with that name in the folder.
However, as I said before, as far as I can tell, there isn't.
Do I trust the windows message or my own eyes?
Msconfig boot.ini tab "check all boot paths" also states that I am safe..... but still no sign of my boot.ini!
Open c:\ from "My Computer", go to tools, Folder options, seleve view tab, uncheck the following;
"Hide protected operating System files"
and select "show Hidden Files"
then look to see in the boot.ini file is there, if its not, windows is lieing to you and you should trust your own eyes.
regards
The problem with this is that I cannot now put a boot.ini file into my C:\ directory as it wont let me rename any file to boot.ini :P
If u followed instructions and the boot.ini files is not there after the steps indicated, then there is something wrong... (ccp induced)
go to start, run, Type: notepad c:\boot.ini
If you see something like
[QUOTE]
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer
[/QUOTE]
Its all good
failing this
You have been biten by the ccp bug
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Taram Caldar
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:43:00 -
[564]
Originally by: FHPhantom
fucccking aholes. I want my cc reversed charges since i started play almost 1 year ago. I want a guerente that my computer isnt affected so that next week I get viruses out the arse. cause right now I dont trust this company, with any of my info.
im sick in the stomache over this and on my day off from work ir ruined my day and possibly my pc. I speak for myself and will contact matercard asap. Ill do what i have to do, and I want an answer was our personal info compromised? cause the security of ccp is and has been possibly breeched.
Um... you are over reacting a bit. I'm ****ed too because there's no way this should have happened if CCP had used proper quality controls before pushing it live. However having your boot.ini deleted does nothing to expose you to viruses or information loss or your billing information getting out. It's a very basic file on your system.
Yeah, they screwed up and I really think they should do something fiscally about it but you are worrying too much. You're not at any more risk of viruses than you were before and you certainly aren't any more at risk of your personal information than you were before. All you have to do is replace a 4 line text file that tells Windows how to boot with a new file.
MOST users can simply go to the C:\Windows\PSS directory and copy the boot.ini.backup file from there, rename it to boot.ini and they'll be good to go.
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:43:00 -
[565]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: FHPhantom
fucccking aholes. I want my cc reversed charges since i started play almost 1 year ago. I want a guerente that my computer isnt affected so that next week I get viruses out the arse. cause right now I dont trust this company, with any of my info.
im sick in the stomache over this and on my day off from work ir ruined my day and possibly my pc. I speak for myself and will contact matercard asap. Ill do what i have to do, and I want an answer was our personal info compromised? cause the security of ccp is and has been possibly breeched.
Dont worry dude, you are not smart enough to have data to loose.
GET OUT
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Darth Element
Amarr
Cataclysm Enterprises
Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:44:00 -
[566]
translate to german pls thx!!
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StarStryder
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:44:00 -
[567]
Edited by: StarStryder on 06/12/2007 13:45:02
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
Try, x:\Windows\PSS
Wait for the "Drive X: not found" message!
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PointBlank65
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:44:00 -
[568]
not a problem in VISTA
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Morgren Darkhymn
Geekswarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:44:00 -
[569]
Well, I've replaced my boot.ini correctly and my machine is functioning properly. The second step of my repair process was to uninstall EvE, and I will not be resubscribing. I apologise, but I can't say that I want software on my machine made by the same idiots that pulled this little stunt. I am not impressed. Fortunately for us all, the game is mediocre anyway, and I for one will not miss it.
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Bram Stoker
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:44:00 -
[570]
i went through CCP's help on creating a new boot.ini file. Seemed to work but now everytime i start my computer i get this message: 'Please select the operating system to start'
Then 'Microsoft Windows XP' Ten times in the list!!!!!
My computer is brand new, i don't want to sit waiting for this message everytime i switch my computer on. Please give me a solution.
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Little Zandra
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:44:00 -
[571]
hmm somethign weird is going on.
i can see all types of files (hidden and system ) and i see noo boot.ini but when i try to place downloaded version and then renaming it it says its already there eventho its not showing?
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AncientGuardian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:45:00 -
[572]
i guess its a good thing i know better then to install any game on my system drive....
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Hypo Psycho
Minmatar
Universal Army
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:45:00 -
[573]
well i hope someone was sacked for this mess up
gotta go find a friend with the OS disc now (currently on my very old PC) then i have to repair the the PC
more than likely i will have to take it to a PC technician so he can repair it costing me money due to a CCP mistake
Hypo - one very irate and ****ed off customer
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"see you on the other side"
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:46:00 -
[574]
Originally by: Darth Element
translate to german pls thx!!
Working on it
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Glup Eve
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:46:00 -
[575]
Well,
Don't want to add much since it's probably hell at CCP office right now, im a software dev, i know this kind of deal (courage guys) just one suggestion :
You should really get rid of that boot.ini file on windows versions.
Seeing what information is stored there (pretty much nothing), why not use registry ?
Or at least rename it in a future patch, your own program files should never be called the same as common system files, that be for windows only of course.
Sounds 'smart ass' now the harm is done, but since **** happens all the time doing dev, why not. ;)
So at least forgetting to put relative link for file deletion wont touch system files. ;)
Dev team : wish you the best.
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corporal hicks
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:46:00 -
[576]
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: Cailais
Well so far Ive been unable to recover my OS.
Not being all that technically minded it looks as if the PC will have to go and be repaired, no doubt at some cost.
Well done.
C.
Do you have the original Windows install disks handy?
Are you able to get through some of the steps in the article here?
Yes, but for some reason my PC wouldn't boot from the XP disk. So I delved into the murky world of the BIOS and set to read from CD ROM only.
My computer would then only post this message on start up.
'DISK BOOT FAILURE, INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER'
I probably shouldnt have fiddled with the BIOS, but there you go - if you don't try you can't succeed. (Ive finally got back into the BIOS now and sorted that). Perhaps I've got a hardware fault with my CD-ROM drive? Any ideas on how I should have the BIOS set up correctly?
C.
BOOT disk failure, means it see's the CD drive but the XP cd is not working, is the CD a burned copy or a real copy?
" Stay Frosty "
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:46:00 -
[577]
Originally by: Bacci Galu
Edited by: Bacci Galu on 06/12/2007 13:43:16
Originally by: Greme
Originally by: Bacci Galu
Originally by: Greme
Edited by: Greme on 06/12/2007 13:31:06
I have a strange situation, if anyone can help me figure out what to do, go for it.
Basically, there appears to be no boot.ini in my C:\ folder (main HD folder), not as an unhidden file, or a hidden file.
However, when I download the winxpboot.ini and try to rename it to boot.ini within my C:\ folder, it tells me to name it something different as there is already something with that name in the folder.
However, as I said before, as far as I can tell, there isn't.
Do I trust the windows message or my own eyes?
Msconfig boot.ini tab "check all boot paths" also states that I am safe..... but still no sign of my boot.ini!
Open c:\ from "My Computer", go to tools, Folder options, seleve view tab, uncheck the following;
"Hide protected operating System files"
and select "show Hidden Files"
then look to see in the boot.ini file is there, if its not, windows is lieing to you and you should trust your own eyes.
regards
The problem with this is that I cannot now put a boot.ini file into my C:\ directory as it wont let me rename any file to boot.ini :P
If u followed instructions and the boot.ini files is not there after the steps indicated, then there is something wrong... (ccp induced)
go to start, run, Type: notepad c:\boot.ini
If you see something like
[QUOTE]
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer
[/QUOTE]
Its all good
failing this
You either have been biten by the ccp bug or your system boots from another partition (if u have more than one, if not..ccp broked ya puter)
notepad c:\boot.ini bring up:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
So I assume I'm safe :) No idea why it wont show in the folder even when other hidden files are shown but eh.
Thanks alot for your help mate.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:46:00 -
[578]
Originally by: StarStryder
Edited by: StarStryder on 06/12/2007 13:45:02
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
Try, x:\Windows\PSS
Wait for the "Drive X: not found" message!
LOL
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:47:00 -
[579]
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: FHPhantom
fucccking aholes. I want my cc reversed charges since i started play almost 1 year ago. I want a guerente that my computer isnt affected so that next week I get viruses out the arse. cause right now I dont trust this company, with any of my info.
im sick in the stomache over this and on my day off from work ir ruined my day and possibly my pc. I speak for myself and will contact matercard asap. Ill do what i have to do, and I want an answer was our personal info compromised? cause the security of ccp is and has been possibly breeched.
Dont worry dude, you are not smart enough to have data to loose.
GET OUT
so you mr mouth are telling me that you know for certain that our info is secure? unless i hear a staement from CCP assureing me that this is true your answer is 100% bs ok.
attacke me focus your attention on the real problem ok, i idnt screw my pc up, the dn here did ok.
And you amazed how people vent im ****ed off ok.
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zombu2
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:47:00 -
[580]
ccp should lock this thread there s enough info here to repair 100000 pc s
PLZ LOCK
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:47:00 -
[581]
Originally by: Greme
Originally by: Bacci Galu
Edited by: Bacci Galu on 06/12/2007 13:43:16
Originally by: Greme
Originally by: Bacci Galu
Originally by: Greme
Edited by: Greme on 06/12/2007 13:31:06
I have a strange situation, if anyone can help me figure out what to do, go for it.
Basically, there appears to be no boot.ini in my C:\ folder (main HD folder), not as an unhidden file, or a hidden file.
However, when I download the winxpboot.ini and try to rename it to boot.ini within my C:\ folder, it tells me to name it something different as there is already something with that name in the folder.
However, as I said before, as far as I can tell, there isn't.
Do I trust the windows message or my own eyes?
Msconfig boot.ini tab "check all boot paths" also states that I am safe..... but still no sign of my boot.ini!
Open c:\ from "My Computer", go to tools, Folder options, seleve view tab, uncheck the following;
"Hide protected operating System files"
and select "show Hidden Files"
then look to see in the boot.ini file is there, if its not, windows is lieing to you and you should trust your own eyes.
regards
The problem with this is that I cannot now put a boot.ini file into my C:\ directory as it wont let me rename any file to boot.ini :P
If u followed instructions and the boot.ini files is not there after the steps indicated, then there is something wrong... (ccp induced)
go to start, run, Type: notepad c:\boot.ini
If you see something like
[QUOTE]
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer
[/QUOTE]
Its all good
failing this
You either have been biten by the ccp bug or your system boots from another partition (if u have more than one, if not..ccp broked ya puter)
notepad c:\boot.ini bring up:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
So I assume I'm safe :) No idea why it wont show in the folder even when other hidden files are shown but eh.
Thanks alot for your help mate.
No problems
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Mikkaras
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:47:00 -
[582]
I'm running "Windows XP Professional x64 Edition".
There was no boot.ini file in my C:\ directory when I checked it after finding the link to this thread on the login screen of EVE.
I am attempting to use MSCONFIG to verify that I have reconstructed the boot.ini file correctly.
However, when I look at the boot.ini tab, everything is greyed out, including the "Check All Boot Paths" button that the instructions say to use...
What now?
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:48:00 -
[583]
Originally by: Little Zandra
hmm somethign weird is going on.
i can see all types of files (hidden and system ) and i see noo boot.ini but when i try to place downloaded version and then renaming it it says its already there eventho its not showing?
Hmmm, go to start->run, type: cmd <hit enter>
Then, presuming you have one drive, C: type: cd\ <hit enter>
Then type: attrib <hit enter>
boot.ini _should_ be there.
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zombu2
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:50:00 -
[584]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Little Zandra
hmm somethign weird is going on.
i can see all types of files (hidden and system ) and i see noo boot.ini but when i try to place downloaded version and then renaming it it says its already there eventho its not showing?
Hmmm, go to start->run, type: cmd <hit enter>
Then, presuming you have one drive, C: type: cd\ <hit enter>
Then type: attrib <hit enter>
that is not quiet right
it is attrib and some settings to unhide the boot ini file but i forgot havent used it in ages
boot.ini _should_ be there.
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Maikar
Gallente
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:50:00 -
[585]
Edited by: Maikar on 06/12/2007 13:51:37
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: Marlorn Aeon
Can I copy this into a new boot.ini? but i dont have windows xp professional. i gots windows xp media edition
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
That should work, but make sure you verify it using msconfig, as outlined here. If it does not verify properly, post again ;)
I have windows media center...here is a copy of my boot.ini. :)
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
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If you've already restarted your computer the most I can suggest is hooking your hd up as slave or raid and replacing the boot.ini that way. :/ Maybe someone else can explain that in a 'computers for the average user' terminology, but I'm bad at explaining that stuff.
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Rellik B00n
Vale Heavy Industries
Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:50:00 -
[586]
Ah the long awaited Jita fix is with us at last.
I ran and rebooted 3 PCs with the new stuff, boot.ini has gone from all of them
Ive only had a chance to check one of them but its just using the backup version like a good little OS should, ill probably shot the fix on later.
It is somewhat difficult to excuse an error of quite this magnitude and whilst i wouldnt wish sacking on anyone I hope someone is at least being made to feel a little uncomfortable over this one.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:50:00 -
[587]
Can you access the cmd prompt without having the OS running?
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:50:00 -
[588]
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 13:51:06
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
Try, x:\Windows\PSS
I don't see any PSS folder :/
Btw, I have downloaded the patch the minute the server was back up (about 2.05 AM GMT) and had a look at that premium thing around 6 AM.
I have checked my HDD directory and there is a boot.ini file (it's called BOOT.ini on my PC) and this is what it says inside:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
Does this mean that I can still reboot fine?
Sry, I don't know too much when it comes to PCs.
You're safe to reboot :)
PS: please double check this though.
Clik Start->Run, type: msconfig <hit enter>
Then click the boot.ini tab, then click "Check All Boot Paths"
This should check out okay.
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Bacci Galu
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:50:00 -
[589]
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
Try, x:\Windows\PSS
I don't see any PSS folder :/
Btw, I have downloaded the patch the minute the server was back up (about 2.05 AM GMT) and had a look at that premium thing around 6 AM.
I have checked my HDD directory and there is a boot.ini file (it's called BOOT.ini on my PC) and this is what it says inside:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
Does this mean that I can still reboot fine?
Sry, I don't know too much when it comes to PCs.
yes u are fine
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StarStryder
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:51:00 -
[590]
Originally by: Bram Stoker
i went through CCP's help on creating a new boot.ini file. Seemed to work but now everytime i start my computer i get this message: 'Please select the operating system to start'
Then 'Microsoft Windows XP' Ten times in the list!!!!!
My computer is brand new, i don't want to sit waiting for this message everytime i switch my computer on. Please give me a solution.
I suspect that you didn't follow all of the instructions. Make sure you did the "Check All Boot paths" step and say yes to remove the ones that don't exist.
You should also set the default entry and if you have more than 1 boot partition set the timeout value to 5 seconds. This should mean that you don't get the menu at all if you have one partition and the menu will only hang around for 5 seconds before booting the default config if you have more than one.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:51:00 -
[591]
Originally by: zombu2
ccp should lock this thread there s enough info here to repair 100000 pc s
PLZ LOCK
why u noob? so players who pay havent the right to vent. CCP better not lock this thread we have the right to be mad as hell bro. Quit sucking up and minimising ok it shows how stupid you are.
I want a satement from CCP to all of us that our secure info is secure so we can try to fix this mess.
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King Hopy
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:51:00 -
[592]
Im running windows xp professional and I dont see any boot.ini on my system drive. Eve is installed on another drive. When I run msconfig I dont see any boot.ini tab there either. Is there something wrong?
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Karl Schmidt
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
APEX Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:51:00 -
[593]
I have two questions (I don't have the time to read 23 pages to perhaps not find the answers):
1. Is XP Media Edition effected? I ask because when I turned my computer back on this morning, it started fine. (that said, when I looked, the boot.ini file was missing).
2. If I use system restore and go back to before I installed the update, will it replace the boot.ini file?
Thanks in advance for any help and useful comments.
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APEX Renegade Agent
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:51:00 -
[594]
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
Try, x:\Windows\PSS
I don't see any PSS folder :/
Btw, I have downloaded the patch the minute the server was back up (about 2.05 AM GMT) and had a look at that premium thing around 6 AM.
I have checked my HDD directory and there is a boot.ini file (it's called BOOT.ini on my PC) and this is what it says inside:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
Does this mean that I can still reboot fine?
Sry, I don't know too much when it comes to PCs.
You should be fine.
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Alcoholique
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:51:00 -
[595]
Edited by: Alcoholique on 06/12/2007 13:55:00
I was running eve on a partitioned part of my mac book pro with the aid of bootcamp..... i got the error message when i tried to start up this morning......i managed to reboot in MACOSX and got rid of the partition....tried to recreate the partition and it wouldnt recognise the xp disc WTF??? So rebooted comp and now i have the "no bootable devices found" on my macbook pro?? Can someone give me some advice please....
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Jericho Dark
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:52:00 -
[596]
I have Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 with Update Rollup 2 installed. I downloaded the Premium patch last night and after I was very pleased at looking at the new models, shut down my computer.
I was able to start it up again this morning with no problems, but until I saw the forums, I thought something had went wrong with the patch and I just got lucky.
So I went to try to manually create the boot.ini patch into my harddrive, but the system told me that the file was already created. Of coarse, I do not have my hard drive set to C:\ but another letter.
Again, I was able to start up my computer with no problems with Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005.
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zombu2
Caldari
New Age Solutions
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:52:00 -
[597]
Originally by: Cailais
Can you access the cmd prompt without having the OS running?
C.
umm you have to use the install cd and boot into recovery mode
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Talidorn
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:52:00 -
[598]
hehe...
Nice1 m8s!
TY 4 the info! Save me from having my Media Center PC go all w0nky. Lucky for me it is my media center PC and thus hardly ever rebooted.
Since I'm an outta the box IT guy, and not a h@rdc0r3 g@m3r, I find that modding my home system is too bothersome. Well, guess I'll think about reconfigging my "game" system now so I don't get hit with such nonsense again.
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Kalane Vataros
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:52:00 -
[599]
Ok, on the boot.ini, there is a second box you have to uncheck on windows xp, (yes, i had to make a new boot.ini) and to be honest, they told you most everything of what to do...tools/folder options/view,
Show hidden files and folders and uncheck hide protected system files.
This is a very easy thing to do, and if people like FHPhantom would start doing what is stated instead of yelling about it, it shouldn't be hard to make a boot disk and then from there make a boot.ini. All the information needed is already IN THIS POST.
So CCP made a monumental screw up to a file, which microsoft really should have protected better in the first place, do you think they have some sort of illuminati ring designed to destroy the computers of anyone that played wow or everquest to be the sole dominator of the MMORPG world?
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:53:00 -
[600]
Originally by: Karl Schmidt
I have two questions (I don't have the time to read 23 pages to perhaps not find the answers):
1. Is XP Media Edition effected? I ask because when I turned my computer back on this morning, it started fine. (that said, when I looked, the boot.ini file was missing).
2. If I use system restore and go back to before I installed the update, will it replace the boot.ini file?
Thanks in advance for any help and useful comments.
If the system is booting fine, then you should be ok to continue as is. That said, it is a good idea to replace the boot.ini file, and the links provided at the start of this thread should help with that.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:53:00 -
[601]
Originally by: FHPhantom
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: FHPhantom
fucccking aholes. I want my cc reversed charges since i started play almost 1 year ago. I want a guerente that my computer isnt affected so that next week I get viruses out the arse. cause right now I dont trust this company, with any of my info.
im sick in the stomache over this and on my day off from work ir ruined my day and possibly my pc. I speak for myself and will contact matercard asap. Ill do what i have to do, and I want an answer was our personal info compromised? cause the security of ccp is and has been possibly breeched.
Dont worry dude, you are not smart enough to have data to loose.
GET OUT
so you mr mouth are telling me that you know for certain that our info is secure? unless i hear a staement from CCP assureing me that this is true your answer is 100% bs ok.
attacke me focus your attention on the real problem ok, i idnt screw my pc up, the dn here did ok.
And you amazed how people vent im ****ed off ok.
I think it would be difficult to explain to you how this happened in the first place, it's all due to a simple typing error.
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Headen Astarra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:53:00 -
[602]
Once again I'm ever so pleased that my principal OS is Macintosh and that this kind of crap can't screw me out of doing my job and getting paid... I really wish I had taken the time to fix the damn file copy to the Windoze disk before this screwup... Ugh.
Could some helpful Windoze long-timer suggest how to fix the situation if you have already rebooted XP ? When I try to boot the XP partition it tells me that <root>/system32/hal.dll is missing and that Windoze is thus helpless. Is this the same issue or something else ?
Thanks for any help you can give.
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Talon SilverHawk
Caldari
Patria o Muerte
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:53:00 -
[603]
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
Want to be there when you tell you teachers Eve ate my homework lololol
Tal
God bless Vista and you know I like it less clunky than xp.
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StarStryder
Wise Guys
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:54:00 -
[604]
Originally by: DS Razor
Originally by: StarStryder
But then they won't be on the forum whining because they don't have access to the internet!
ARE YOU NUTS???? I'M SORRY, SIR, ARE YOU STILL LIVING IN 1990???
FYI:
1) I'm replying from my office computer
2) Also I (and others) can use mobile devices (like mobile phones, PDAs, etc) or PS3 (or other consoles) for browsing internet
3) I could go and ask my neighbour for an access to internet- just to find what's going on
4) Internet coffees?
5) 1000+ other ways to access internet.
WAKE UP! THAT'S XXI CENTURY!
Which was my point. If you can get on the internet then you can access the many many ways to sort this out that are listed in this thread.
btw, where can I get an internet coffee and is it better than a real one?
btw, internet cafes still incur expense.
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Dathas
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:54:00 -
[605]
Edited by: Dathas on 06/12/2007 13:55:39
I did it before 8 am gmt at work, and was forced to reboot due to a software crash and..
windows didn't even hiccup much. It said boot.ini was missing then continued loading.
So calm yourselves down. boot.ini is only really an issue if you are booting more than one version of windows or have a boot menu. I work tech support here in the states (not for CCP) and dealing with people who know less about computers than my mom all day, I have become intimately familiar with all the ways people can break them.
Some people who get boot.ini deleted WILL have trouble, but the vast majority won't, simply because it's an utterly redundant file on a single-OS machine, and as I recall, windows just recreates it if it goes missing
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Alex Hayden
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:54:00 -
[606]
The post that the CCP dev made in post (100)
Should be the easiest way to fix your boot.ini file. Having been a pc repair tech for 5 years, that one is the most idiot-proof so far (no offense). I havent rebooted yet, but I am glad CCP warned me about this (even though I only reboot about once a month.) Sorry to everyone who's pc's died. Its also an easy fix from the recovery console (i.e. fixboot) which only requires your WinXP setup disc. My prayers are with you all.
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:55:00 -
[607]
Anyone got a boot.ini for a dell xps m1710, must admit I feel a little cranky about this.
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rockerrikke
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:55:00 -
[608]
Originally by: Exus
hey guys, everyone buy a mac, microsoft sucks, they dont even protect their boot files, MS sucks soooo hard...
That is besides the point. The patch requires admin rights, which enables it to access and/or remove any file, mess with the registry, etc.
Any (illusion of) protection that xp or vista would otherwise have afforded you is thus completely bypassed/forfeited, since running something as admin means it is not subject to such restrictions.
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Sp4rt4nII70
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Posted - 2007.12.06 13:57:00 -
[609]
Originally by: Huldradans
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 13:51:06
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
Try, x:\Windows\PSS
I don't see any PSS folder :/
Btw, I have downloaded the patch the minute the server was back up (about 2.05 AM GMT) and had a look at that premium thing around 6 AM.
I have checked my HDD directory and there is a boot.ini file (it's called BOOT.ini on my PC) and this is what it says inside:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
Does this mean that I can still reboot fine?
Sry, I don't know too much when it comes to PCs.
You're safe to reboot :)
PS: please double check this though.
Clik Start->Run, type: msconfig <hit enter>
Then click the boot.ini tab, then click "Check All Boot Paths"
This should check out okay.
It says:
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Quasar Black
Minmatar
Rens 911
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:00:00 -
[610]
Edited by: Quasar Black on 06/12/2007 14:00:31
If you look in the C:\windows\pss folder you'll find a backup boot.ini file. Just copy the file over to your root folder and remove the '.bak' bit. This is for Windows XP.
Edit: Welp. Beaten by Golden Spartan.
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:00:00 -
[611]
Originally by: Mienja
I'm curious... how long can I leave my computer on to save my access to all my Graphics files I have to access on a daily basis as a graphics professional? How long can I leave it on without turning it off? I have no recovery disc....stupid stores that dont give them to you when you buy your computer now. Thanks mates, over 6,000 US$ in programs and more than that in graphic art I might have to wipe? OMG, lol omg..... what the hek have you done.
There is no need to wipe anything as your pc is on, you will be able to check if you have a boot.ini file and if not, recreate it. I would suggest reading over the steps in the original post, and in my post (here) and you will be fine.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:00:00 -
[612]
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Originally by: Huldradans
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 13:51:06
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
Try, x:\Windows\PSS
I don't see any PSS folder :/
Btw, I have downloaded the patch the minute the server was back up (about 2.05 AM GMT) and had a look at that premium thing around 6 AM.
I have checked my HDD directory and there is a boot.ini file (it's called BOOT.ini on my PC) and this is what it says inside:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
Does this mean that I can still reboot fine?
Sry, I don't know too much when it comes to PCs.
You're safe to reboot :)
PS: please double check this though.
Clik Start->Run, type: msconfig <hit enter>
Then click the boot.ini tab, then click "Check All Boot Paths"
This should check out okay.
It says:
You can safely remove it. Test again once that line is removed.
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Golden Spartan
Caldari
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:01:00 -
[613]
Originally by: Mr Breakfast
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
I followed this fix method and I have no boot.ini tab in my msconfig window. What do I do? Please help.
This is my very recent post...
Alright, I have just found something very interesting. I am using Windows XP Pro, and it seems that windows made a backup of several files automatically, including the boot.ini.
you can find this file in C:\WINDOWS\pss
it is called boot.ini.backup. just copy that, paste it in the root directory of your harddrive, and rename it, by removing the .backup.
I tested it with the "Startup and Recovery" window. and my bootfile works fine.
so please look in your folder before installing windows again.
all companies make mistakes, and there was bound to be one from this great update. so please be easy on CCP, and consider all that they have given and helped you with, up to this point, and what the will be doing for you.
I really hope this helps,
OMNIS' Golden Spartan
Please give it a try, it worked on my PC.
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If life give you melons, toss them back and demand lemons for lemonaid. because melonaid just sounds weird <(^_^<) <(^_^)> (>^_^)> {(#)} <--- lemon |
Steky
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:01:00 -
[614]
ok i looked up my boot.ini wasnt in root dir and i made a new one.. so i restarted and then windows xp sp2 professional didnt start cuz some file from system32 was missing some .dll
now i reinstalled xp and i dont know if i can run the client with premium content that i downloaded before 4 a.m.????
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:02:00 -
[615]
Originally by: Golden Spartan
Alright, I have just found something very interesting. I am using Windows XP Pro, and it seems that windows made a backup of several files automatically, including the boot.ini.
you can find this file in C:\WINDOWS\pss
it is called boot.ini.backup. just copy that, paste it in the root directory of your harddrive, and rename it, by removing the .backup.
I tested it with the "Startup and Recovery" window. and my bootfile works fine.
so please look in your folder before installing windows again.
all companies make mistakes, and there was bound to be one from this great update. so please be easy on CCP, and consider all that they have given and helped you with, up to this point, and what the will be doing for you.
I really hope this helps,
OMNIS' Golden Spartan
Is it safe to assume if you have no backup boot.ini that you never had one and don't need one ?
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Lt Jhaack
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:03:00 -
[616]
Is the patch still downloading using BITS ? Because if so, is there a log for this service ? Then i could give some proof that i downloaded broken patch at around 9 am GMT.
Anyone downloaded a broken Boot.ini patch at around 9 AM GMT or am i the only one ? This is weird. If it was removed, maybe it could be due to some proxy somewhere ?
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massXvelocity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:03:00 -
[617]
There really needs to be a Dev only thread with solutions and updates to the issue without all the other hysteria. Having dev updates every couple pages of the thread are going to make it tough for people to see them when they are going through a panic thread in a frustrated state.
Oh and 10 partitions and minimalist C: partition FTW.
Who in the world doesn't back up their operating partition before new installations?
I never did like the idea that CCP was using a file with the same name as a sys file and yeah they screwed the pooch on this one - but users have responsibility to follow simple procedures like not installing software without an operating partition back up. It is not like this is news.
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Ruri Dant
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:03:00 -
[618]
"Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini."
OK i have done this, once the popups go away and i try to apply the changes an error comes up saying i'm not the administrator of the computer (thing is I know i am, and i have only one account) and asks me to restart
once i restart, again sys config comes up saying some changes have not been made and i get back to beginning (check paths)
(looks like boot.cfg is missing too)
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gordon861
Minmatar
Head Insurance Services
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:03:00 -
[619]
Why the hell are you using a file named BOOT.INI anyways ?
It's such an important file it should be a reserved name ....
Originally by: CCP Arkanon
I frown on employees being power players to the extent that their gameplay results in any sort of domination over others. I donÆt believe CCP employees should run the EVE universe. |
Sp4rt4nII70
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:03:00 -
[620]
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Originally by: Huldradans
Edited by: Huldradans on 06/12/2007 13:51:06
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Originally by: Huldradans
Originally by: Sp4rt4nII70
Where do I find the backup copy of the boot.ini?
Try, x:\Windows\PSS
I don't see any PSS folder :/
Btw, I have downloaded the patch the minute the server was back up (about 2.05 AM GMT) and had a look at that premium thing around 6 AM.
I have checked my HDD directory and there is a boot.ini file (it's called BOOT.ini on my PC) and this is what it says inside:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
Does this mean that I can still reboot fine?
Sry, I don't know too much when it comes to PCs.
You're safe to reboot :)
PS: please double check this though.
Clik Start->Run, type: msconfig <hit enter>
Then click the boot.ini tab, then click "Check All Boot Paths"
This should check out okay.
It says:
You can safely remove it. Test again once that line is removed.
Yeah it did, thanks :)
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Golden Spartan
Caldari
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:03:00 -
[621]
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: Golden Spartan
Alright, I have just found something very interesting. I am using Windows XP Pro, and it seems that windows made a backup of several files automatically, including the boot.ini.
you can find this file in C:\WINDOWS\pss
it is called boot.ini.backup. just copy that, paste it in the root directory of your harddrive, and rename it, by removing the .backup.
I tested it with the "Startup and Recovery" window. and my bootfile works fine.
so please look in your folder before installing windows again.
all companies make mistakes, and there was bound to be one from this great update. so please be easy on CCP, and consider all that they have given and helped you with, up to this point, and what the will be doing for you.
I really hope this helps,
OMNIS' Golden Spartan
Is it safe to assume if you have no backup boot.ini that you never had one and don't need one ?
er. if it isn't in there, you probably didn't have one to begin with. I'm not sure about XP Home, or media center. but it worked for Pro
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If life give you melons, toss them back and demand lemons for lemonaid. because melonaid just sounds weird <(^_^<) <(^_^)> (>^_^)> {(#)} <--- lemon |
Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:03:00 -
[622]
Originally by: Steky
ok i looked up my boot.ini wasnt in root dir and i made a new one.. so i restarted and then windows xp sp2 professional didnt start cuz some file from system32 was missing some .dll
now i reinstalled xp and i dont know if i can run the client with premium content that i downloaded before 4 a.m.????
Simply rename your current boot.ini to boot.backup, run the premium content updater, then rename boot.backup back to boot.ini
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Sirikar Nakasoroki
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:04:00 -
[623]
Originally by: Steky
ok i looked up my boot.ini wasnt in root dir and i made a new one.. so i restarted and then windows xp sp2 professional didnt start cuz some file from system32 was missing some .dll
now i reinstalled xp and i dont know if i can run the client with premium content that i downloaded before 4 a.m.????
hal.dll was missing, soon as you have reinstalled your OS you will be fine running the game.
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Wyliee
Taurus Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:04:00 -
[624]
oh dear.
i havent got time to read all the posts but incase this hasnt been posted here is how to fix a missing boot.ini file
Here's How:
boot from your windows XP cd, if you dont have this your screwed.
Enter Windows XP Recovery Console.
info on this here http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/ss/rconsole.htm
The Recovery Console is an advanced diagnostic mode of Windows XP with special tools that will allow you to restore the boot.ini file.
When you reach the command prompt, type the following command and then press Enter.
bootcfg /rebuild
The bootcfg utility will scan your hard drives for any Windows XP installations and then display the results. Follow the remaining steps to add your Windows XP installation to the boot.ini file.
The first prompt asks Add installation to boot list? (Yes/No/All).
Type Y in response to this question and press Enter.
The next prompt asks you to Enter Load Identifier:.
This is the name of the operating system. For example, type Windows XP Professional or Windows XP Home Edition and press Enter.
The final prompt asks you to Enter OS Load options:.
Type /Fastdetect here and press Enter.
Take out the Windows XP CD, type exit and then press Enter to restart your PC.
Assuming that a missing or corrupt boot.ini file was your only issue, Windows XP should now start normally
/wylie
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:04:00 -
[625]
Originally by: CCP Pete
Please do not reboot your computer without reading this information and determining if your system might be affected.
(Note that Windows Vista is not affected)
If you are only using the Classic client or installed the Premium client using the full Premium installer than you are not affected.
If you upgraded from the Classic client to the Premium client, using the content upgrade, then please read on.
Check the root directory of your hard drive and see if you have a boot.ini file, if so then you are not affected. The file is normally hidden so you need to click Tools : Folder Options : View and select "Show hidden files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" to be able to see it.
You can also check for the presence of this file by clicking Start : Control Panel : System : Advanced : Startup and Recovery : Settings (third button down). Windows will alert you if the boot.ini file is missing.
If there is no file then please read the following articles:
Microsoft Articles
Contents of a sample boot.ini:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect
More information can also be found here.
We are working on a solution for this and will have more information as soon as it's ready.
*** New Info @ 0800 *** Read this post for an alternative way of replacing boot.ini. - Mindstar
We apologise for this and are working as best we can to find a solution.
Sharkbait
Eve Online Development Team
I'm still uncertain as t oweather i am affected, i can't see the boot.ini file in C:\ however, i don't get any error messages when i click on the settings button in control pannel : system : advanced : startup and recovery
Also, when i run msconfig, and hit the BOOT.INI tab and press the "Check all boot paths" button, i get teh following message:
"It appeart that all BOOT.INI lines for Microsoft opperating systems are OK"
does this mean i am unaffected? frankly, untill I see the file named Boot.ini i will not be happy
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that's no moon... oh, wait, yes it is, the space station's out the other window. |
Nikita Bordinko
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:04:00 -
[626]
My PC Bricked this morning. Im glad to know why now. Im Going to Iceland to kick some ass.
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Windminstrel
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:04:00 -
[627]
Wow, this is pretty bad. I play on my work laptop, and now our infrastructure guys have to repair it. Needless to say this is causing me some problems at the office.
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:05:00 -
[628]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
At the very least you should host this file on CCP's site with the correct name so it can simply be downloaded and saved to c:\
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:05:00 -
[629]
Originally by: Ruri Dant
"Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini."
OK i have done this, once the popups go away and i try to apply the changes an error comes up saying i'm not the administrator of the computer (thing is I know i am, and i have only one account) and asks me to restart
once i restart, again sys config comes up saying some changes have not been made and i get back to beginning (check paths)
(looks like boot.cfg is missing too)
Do you mean restart the whole pc, or just msconfig? If you are able to restart your pc already, then there is no need to keep doing this, as it is loading windows fine.
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Shi'Jin Mao
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:05:00 -
[630]
any chance of a total newbie way too fix this problem with missing boot.ini
im a total computer newbie and have no clue about what i should do and how i should do it, give us a step by step guide on how to fix problem in not technical wording, at this time my pc stays on 24/7 untill you fix the problem and give some decent help too people that dont have computer knowledge
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Vampirro
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:05:00 -
[631]
if you are not techy but can burn a disk or use a flash or floppy, see this site.
it will create a boot disk for you and from there you can find out which disk/partition your OS is on.
http://tinyempire.com/notes/ntldrismissing.htm
what it really does is:
Quote:
[Boot Loader]
timeout=30
Default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="1ST TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\Windows="2ND TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\Windows="3RD TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\Windows="4TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\Windows="5TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\Windows="6TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\Windows="7TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\Windows="8TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
C:\="9TH TRY THIS selezioni questo nono"
D:\="10TH TRY THIS selecione este decimo"
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Sun Kato
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:06:00 -
[632]
Alright. I'm computer ********, all these file names loses me completely.
BEFORE, I download the premium, should I uninstall the old EVE? Would that help prevent this problem? AND, I'm just now downloading the premium, do I still have to worry about this download ******* my computer up? lol
I'd just like some advice before I get my neck too deep in water I can't swim in.
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:06:00 -
[633]
Originally by: Iyanah
Originally by: CCP Pete
Please do not reboot your computer without reading this information and determining if your system might be affected.
(Note that Windows Vista is not affected)
If you are only using the Classic client or installed the Premium client using the full Premium installer than you are not affected.
If you upgraded from the Classic client to the Premium client, using the content upgrade, then please read on.
Check the root directory of your hard drive and see if you have a boot.ini file, if so then you are not affected. The file is normally hidden so you need to click Tools : Folder Options : View and select "Show hidden files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" to be able to see it.
You can also check for the presence of this file by clicking Start : Control Panel : System : Advanced : Startup and Recovery : Settings (third button down). Windows will alert you if the boot.ini file is missing.
If there is no file then please read the following articles:
Microsoft Articles
Contents of a sample boot.ini:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect
More information can also be found here.
We are working on a solution for this and will have more information as soon as it's ready.
*** New Info @ 0800 *** Read this post for an alternative way of replacing boot.ini. - Mindstar
We apologise for this and are working as best we can to find a solution.
Sharkbait
Eve Online Development Team
I'm still uncertain as t oweather i am affected, i can't see the boot.ini file in C:\ however, i don't get any error messages when i click on the settings button in control pannel : system : advanced : startup and recovery
Also, when i run msconfig, and hit the BOOT.INI tab and press the "Check all boot paths" button, i get teh following message:
"It appeart that all BOOT.INI lines for Microsoft opperating systems are OK"
does this mean i am unaffected? frankly, untill I see the file named Boot.ini i will not be happy
You are unaffected. Another way to check for boot.ini is to go to Start -> Run and type "C:\boot.ini". It should open in notepad.
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Golden Spartan
Caldari
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:06:00 -
[634]
Originally by: Shi'Jin Mao
any chance of a total newbie way too fix this problem with missing boot.ini
im a total computer newbie and have no clue about what i should do and how i should do it, give us a step by step guide on how to fix problem in not technical wording, at this time my pc stays on 24/7 untill you fix the problem and give some decent help too people that dont have computer knowledge
Alright, I have just found something very interesting. I am using Windows XP Pro, and it seems that windows made a backup of several files automatically, including the boot.ini.
you can find this file in C:\WINDOWS\pss
it is called boot.ini.backup. just copy that, paste it in the root directory of your harddrive, and rename it, by removing the .backup.
I tested it with the "Startup and Recovery" window. and my bootfile works fine.
so please look in your folder before installing windows again.
all companies make mistakes, and there was bound to be one from this great update. so please be easy on CCP, and consider all that they have given and helped you with, up to this point, and what the will be doing for you.
I really hope this helps,
OMNIS' Golden Spartan
take a look at that, it should help. the root for your hard drive, will just be the main area when you open it in "my computer". this is the best i can explain
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Tarrick
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:07:00 -
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I am appalled and worried that this sort of mistake/carlessness can occur I do not have any knowledge about computers I dont even know how to find the root drive or whatever!!! mY LAP TOP WILL NOT BE TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM IF IT DOESN'T BOOT BUT MY pc WILL BE A DISASTER AS IT also serves as my work computer. Please post a completley idiot proof solution in plain language i.e press this look there etc
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Pacarus Maxilus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:07:00 -
[636]
LOL I read this just a little late. I had to do a recovery.
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Salacir Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:08:00 -
[637]
Originally by: Tango Sokolov
Edited by: Tango Sokolov on 06/12/2007 08:04:24
Originally by: Tango Sokolov
Here is why restarting your computer even with a nuked boot.ini works:
If you have edited nothing after your boot.ini was killed, and you restart, Windows will choke while trying to find the file and call to the backup. It replaces the file on it's own. I AM NOT SAYING GO RESTART YOUR COMPUTER.
I however, am on a boot camped MacBook Pro, and am now screwed. Very very screwed.
OKAY! I finally fixed the issue without having to go back a few days and delete a bunch of my new Illustrator work in the process.
FOR BOOT CAMP USERS:
Your boot.ini file should look like this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
Boot Camp makes an odd partition and I haven't figured out it's use, but that means it puts XP on the third partition. It also requires "/noexecute=optin".
This has been tested and works fine. Follow the normal instructions to creating a new boot.ini file and place the above text in the file instead. I hope this helps, I'm not sure how many Boot Camp users there are out there. This is also exactly like the Dell boot.ini, but with partition 3 instead of 2.
Hi, I am using Bootcamp on a Power Mac, running Windows Vista Ultimate. Is this Troubleshoot also working with Vista ? I have 3 HD Partitions. The OS is on C:
I would really like a 100% confirmed fxing Strategy to this because I only got one shot. No other Internet capable PC around with which I could find more Help once I cant start this one anymore....
Thx
Boot.ini is missing of course. :(
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Bram Stoker
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:08:00 -
[638]
Originally by: StarStryder
Originally by: Bram Stoker
i went through CCP's help on creating a new boot.ini file. Seemed to work but now everytime i start my computer i get this message: 'Please select the operating system to start'
Then 'Microsoft Windows XP' Ten times in the list!!!!!
My computer is brand new, i don't want to sit waiting for this message everytime i switch my computer on. Please give me a solution.
I suspect that you didn't follow all of the instructions. Make sure you did the "Check All Boot paths" step and say yes to remove the ones that don't exist.
You should also set the default entry and if you have more than 1 boot partition set the timeout value to 5 seconds. This should mean that you don't get the menu at all if you have one partition and the menu will only hang around for 5 seconds before booting the default config if you have more than one.
The problem i have is the boot.ini file is not saving after it deletes all the bad paths. After it asks me to restart, all the paths are back in the boot.ini file. I have gone through this 4 times now and it never saves.
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Urofseron Ksatnados
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:09:00 -
[639]
I have done the same as the guy above and still don't have a boot.ini tab when I msconfig.
Any ideas?
I have windows and eve installed on my e: drive not my c: drive
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DeadShotTrue
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:09:00 -
[640]
I didn't have this problem
Win XP SP2 all up to date
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CCP Mindstar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:09:00 -
[641]
Originally by: Bram Stoker
Originally by: StarStryder
Originally by: Bram Stoker
i went through CCP's help on creating a new boot.ini file. Seemed to work but now everytime i start my computer i get this message: 'Please select the operating system to start'
Then 'Microsoft Windows XP' Ten times in the list!!!!!
My computer is brand new, i don't want to sit waiting for this message everytime i switch my computer on. Please give me a solution.
I suspect that you didn't follow all of the instructions. Make sure you did the "Check All Boot paths" step and say yes to remove the ones that don't exist.
You should also set the default entry and if you have more than 1 boot partition set the timeout value to 5 seconds. This should mean that you don't get the menu at all if you have one partition and the menu will only hang around for 5 seconds before booting the default config if you have more than one.
The problem i have is the boot.ini file is not saving after it deletes all the bad paths. After it asks me to restart, all the paths are back in the boot.ini file. I have gone through this 4 times now and it never saves.
Can you hit "Apply" after hitting "check all boot paths"?
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Saska Dax
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:10:00 -
[642]
i downloaded last night 12pm have had the sytem off all night and it started ok. My boot file is*****ed up though or missing. i am waiting to see how ccp are going fix this in entirety
Sska dax
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Spurty
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:10:00 -
[643]
Its all a ploy to upgrade you to Vista like what I am.
Nice Oppsie CCP, well we know you're human after all
Now for me to update my mac and linux clients mwhahahhaa
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Iyanah
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:11:00 -
[644]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: Iyanah
Originally by: CCP Pete
Please do not reboot your computer without reading this information and determining if your system might be affected.
(Note that Windows Vista is not affected)
If you are only using the Classic client or installed the Premium client using the full Premium installer than you are not affected.
If you upgraded from the Classic client to the Premium client, using the content upgrade, then please read on.
Check the root directory of your hard drive and see if you have a boot.ini file, if so then you are not affected. The file is normally hidden so you need to click Tools : Folder Options : View and select "Show hidden files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" to be able to see it.
You can also check for the presence of this file by clicking Start : Control Panel : System : Advanced : Startup and Recovery : Settings (third button down). Windows will alert you if the boot.ini file is missing.
If there is no file then please read the following articles:
Microsoft Articles
Contents of a sample boot.ini:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect
More information can also be found here.
We are working on a solution for this and will have more information as soon as it's ready.
*** New Info @ 0800 *** Read this post for an alternative way of replacing boot.ini. - Mindstar
We apologise for this and are working as best we can to find a solution.
Sharkbait
Eve Online Development Team
I'm still uncertain as t oweather i am affected, i can't see the boot.ini file in C:\ however, i don't get any error messages when i click on the settings button in control pannel : system : advanced : startup and recovery
Also, when i run msconfig, and hit the BOOT.INI tab and press the "Check all boot paths" button, i get teh following message:
"It appeart that all BOOT.INI lines for Microsoft opperating systems are OK"
does this mean i am unaffected? frankly, untill I see the file named Boot.ini i will not be happy
You are unaffected. Another way to check for boot.ini is to go to Start -> Run and type "C:\boot.ini". It should open in notepad.
excelent, that worked. my mind is at ease now :)
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:11:00 -
[645]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: Bram Stoker
Originally by: StarStryder
Originally by: Bram Stoker
i went through CCP's help on creating a new boot.ini file. Seemed to work but now everytime i start my computer i get this message: 'Please select the operating system to start'
Then 'Microsoft Windows XP' Ten times in the list!!!!!
My computer is brand new, i don't want to sit waiting for this message everytime i switch my computer on. Please give me a solution.
I suspect that you didn't follow all of the instructions. Make sure you did the "Check All Boot paths" step and say yes to remove the ones that don't exist.
You should also set the default entry and if you have more than 1 boot partition set the timeout value to 5 seconds. This should mean that you don't get the menu at all if you have one partition and the menu will only hang around for 5 seconds before booting the default config if you have more than one.
The problem i have is the boot.ini file is not saving after it deletes all the bad paths. After it asks me to restart, all the paths are back in the boot.ini file. I have gone through this 4 times now and it never saves.
Can you hit "Apply" after hitting "check all boot paths"?
Yes i hit apply then it asks me to reboot. then it windows starts by asking which version (out of 10 of them) of XP i want.
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Firanda
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:11:00 -
[646]
Edited by: Firanda on 06/12/2007 14:13:05
Originally by: Tarrick
I am appalled and worried that this sort of mistake/carlessness can occur I do not have any knowledge about computers I dont even know how to find the root drive or whatever!!! mY LAP TOP WILL NOT BE TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM IF IT DOESN'T BOOT BUT MY pc WILL BE A DISASTER AS IT also serves as my work computer. Please post a completley idiot proof solution in plain language i.e press this look there etc
lol lol lol lol ROFLMAO, wonder whats stuck up there? feel free to quit if you dont absuletely love ccp like we all should, i just saw my hulk, i was nearly in tears, ty guys oneand all!
does this in boot.ini mean i'm good to go? i'm on XP sp2 but i have three serperate install and only premiumed one so i think i was made immune
Originally by: boot.ini
[main]
role=client
aid=0
server=Tranquility
port=26000
edition=premium
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Sun Kato
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:11:00 -
[647]
Originally by: Kasak Black
What a mess, glad I downloaded a fresh install.
So... should I uninstall the original EVE installment, and just download the new one? Is that the only way I can avoid all this computer BS cus honestly, I can't afford to f*ck up the computer lol I wouldn't know how to fix it, or where to start.
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Pacarus Maxilus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:11:00 -
[648]
Originally by: Tarrick
I am appalled and worried that this sort of mistake/carlessness can occur I do not have any knowledge about computers I dont even know how to find the root drive or whatever!!! mY LAP TOP WILL NOT BE TOO MUCH OF A PROBLEM IF IT DOESN'T BOOT BUT MY pc WILL BE A DISASTER AS IT also serves as my work computer. Please post a completley idiot proof solution in plain language i.e press this look there etc
if you know your admin password. You can do a system recovery. Get out your Windows XP disk and boot your machine with the cd drive. (Pressing f12 during start up will help you get there). Once you are there, follow the instructions on this page.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/
Hope this helps.
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Steky
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:12:00 -
[649]
Originally by: Sirikar Nakasoroki
Originally by: Steky
ok i looked up my boot.ini wasnt in root dir and i made a new one.. so i restarted and then windows xp sp2 professional didnt start cuz some file from system32 was missing some .dll
now i reinstalled xp and i dont know if i can run the client with premium content that i downloaded before 4 a.m.????
hal.dll was missing, soon as you have reinstalled your OS you will be fine running the game.
ok so you are saying i can run the eve i had updated last night and it wont mess up my boot.ini or windows again?
cuz i didnt download premium content seperately i downloaded it from ingame and i dont have that patch alone for install.
so do i have to download again preium content update or i can play from old eve installation?
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:12:00 -
[650]
Originally by: Saska Dax
i downloaded last night 12pm have had the sytem off all night and it started ok. My boot file is*****ed up though or missing. i am waiting to see how ccp are going fix this in entirety
Sska dax
Actually this may go down as the first time in history a gaming corp has knocked all their customer's computers offline ? I am gonna reboot now, hope I get to see the internet again.
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Lawn Gnome
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:12:00 -
[651]
also affects winxp x64 boxes:( I'm glad they are letting everyone know. To late in my case of several hours ago however:\
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Koum Lesaintier
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:13:00 -
[652]
how about those of us with complex setups..
one of my systems is affected, thankfully i left it running last night.
It has the following: 3 Raid arrays.... 9 logical disks total..
Widnows Xp ( boots form second RAID array), Windows 2003 ( dito)
Kubuntu ( in a different logical disk)
another linux ( different disk ).
sure if i spend 5 hours of my life i may be able to fix it... but you guys , burn in hell, for a momentous act of incompetence.
Oh aand after all this bruhaha settles over, I'd like to know that people responsible for this paid in a seriosu way ( lie firing half the Quality asurance department and their boss or something like that..).
and btw
WTF were you doing tampering with boot.ini? I seriously don't know if your major expansions launch getting tarnished by people in all gaming sites joking about a momentous act of incompetence is enough punishment ...i 'm currently thinking it;s not...
i'm also seriously considering can canceling all my 3 accounts. I knew you peopel your cludges sometiems.. but it turns out your dangerous.
50 man years - ha ha ha ha
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Mikkaras
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:14:00 -
[653]
Well, that's interesting. The windows/pss folder contains system.ini and win.ini but no boot.ini backup. Seeing that, I had a hunch, and I rebooted without "replacing" my boot.ini file... and my Windows XP Professional x64 Edition booted up just fine. And after I looked, there still wasn't a boot.ini file. I think it simply doesn't *have* a boot.ini file to begin with.
O_o
*shrug*
Odd, but I'm not complaining.
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MarcusD
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:14:00 -
[654]
All I can say is wow, CCP what a major blunder. Thankfully i didn't shut my PC downlast night and was at work looking at eve-online.com. Gonna need some PR to get through this one.
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RossP Zoyka
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:14:00 -
[655]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
Ok, I did this twice, downloaded twice and tested it and got 15 errors each time....
Do I shoot myself in the face now or am I ok?
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Dixon Oreole
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:15:00 -
[656]
Ok can't I just copy the boot.ini to another location then upgrade to premium, then if the boot.ini is missing just put the copy to C:\ ?
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:16:00 -
[657]
Originally by: Dixon Oreole
Ok can't I just copy the boot.ini to another location then upgrade to premium, then if the boot.ini is missing just put the copy to C:\ ?
Yes that is fine
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Firanda
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:16:00 -
[658]
Originally by: Koum Lesaintier
how about those of us with complex setups..
i'm also seriously considering can canceling all my 3 accounts. I knew you peopel your cludges sometiems.. but it turns out your dangerous.
50 man years - ha ha ha ha
yeah if your gonna grief devs feel free to quit, this level in population and scale of alternate exists nowhere else.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:17:00 -
[659]
Originally by: RossP Zoyka
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
Ok, I did this twice, downloaded twice and tested it and got 15 errors each time....
Do I shoot myself in the face now or am I ok?
Can you recall if Windows was installed to a directory called Windows, or something else?
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bidman
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:17:00 -
[660]
ive got vista ..but upon searching for the boot.ini file it could not find it ...what should i do ?
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KtB
Elite Storm Enterprises
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:17:00 -
[661]
My boot.ini file was missing however my computer still loaded up :S. Crazzy.
I found the copying the backup file and pasting it the c: was the easiest to do.
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Ariane VoxDei
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:18:00 -
[662]
Originally by: Atreides Ghanima
And the people that upgraded Trinity classic after 4 A.M. GMT ?
Do they have problems? Can I upgrade atm or do I have to wait untill CCP says: GO!!!
Second that.
Would like to see a big sign that basically says:
Patches and installers have been thoroughly tested in field conditions and are safe for use again.
Fortunately I have a long skill training, so I am postponing the update a bit. Hope you get things under control soon.
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Gull De'Kuntos
Domination.
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:19:00 -
[663]
CCP, you should be ashamed! Once again you show a complete lack of any end to end testing.
Disgraceful
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Quaffin' Quagga
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:19:00 -
[664]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
i found this on my pc, .. do i have a problem??
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:19:00 -
[665]
Originally by: bidman
ive got vista ..but upon searching for the boot.ini file it could not find it ...what should i do ?
nothing vista dosent use boot.ini (thank god) vista users are fine (tf)
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Ruri Dant
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:19:00 -
[666]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Originally by: Ruri Dant
"Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini."
OK i have done this, once the popups go away and i try to apply the changes an error comes up saying i'm not the administrator of the computer (thing is I know i am, and i have only one account) and asks me to restart
once i restart, again sys config comes up saying some changes have not been made and i get back to beginning (check paths)
(looks like boot.cfg is missing too)
Do you mean restart the whole pc, or just msconfig? If you are able to restart your pc already, then there is no need to keep doing this, as it is loading windows fine.
I mean reboot, now every time i reboot my computer a popup message appears saying that windows is running in some safe mode (not the one that disables anything somehow) and the sytem config program comes up again, everything in there "looks" fine, when i press ok or close it always asks for a reboot, very unusual
are you telling me i should keep it like this now? god only knows what's going on in here
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Lt Jhaack
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:19:00 -
[667]
Ok i found out when i started donwloading the broken boot.ini patch by reading history.txt file in my cache directory :
2007.12.05 20:52:21SHUTDOWN [468]User requesting close.
2007.12.06 08:58:26STARTUP [1740]
2007.12.06 08:59:27STARTUP [1140]
So i stopped playing at 20:52:21 yesterday. Then launched old client version 44736 or something like at 8:58:26 GMT today and started patching with classic. When it was done i launched the new trinity classic version at 8:59:27 and started downloading the trinity classic to premium broken boot.ini patch few seconds after.
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Tekeela Alpha
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:19:00 -
[668]
You go to the trouble of installing all kinds of anti-virus software to protect your system then some company sneaks in a harmful download more dangerous than any virus that has ever made it onto my system.
Unbelievable.
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Emmaline
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:20:00 -
[669]
To all who are afraid of loosing their workfiles/art/whatever/**** this is a good time to look into making backups of these files as its not IF but WHEN a harddisk will crash on you.
Sorry, I didnt meant to be a smartass, just a friendly advise..
CCP I feel sorry for you, this is a major screwup... but at least it was not intentional as SoE did with the NGE.
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bidman
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:20:00 -
[670]
oh and i havent turned off my pc or rebooted since the download at 12 midnight for fear of screwing up my new pc ...plz shed some light as to why i cannot find the file ...even tho i havent re booted
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Pacarus Maxilus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:20:00 -
[671]
I do have a question. I restored my dll last night. But does that mean that I can not run the download that caused this in the first place?
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Uglybuggly
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:21:00 -
[672]
Just installed Premium here, and checked CMD and dir on c: drive and boot.ini is there...So i have nothing to worry about then?
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:21:00 -
[673]
Originally by: Quaffin' Quagga
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
i found this on my pc, .. do i have a problem??
Double check that this is okay, by doing this:
Click start->Run
Type: msconfig <hit enter>
Click 'boot.ini', then click Check All Booth Paths - if this is successful, you're safe to reboot.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:22:00 -
[674]
Originally by: Uglybuggly
Just installed Premium here, and checked CMD and dir on c: drive and boot.ini is there...So i have nothing to worry about then?
You're fine!
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:22:00 -
[675]
Originally by: Meat Missle
Edited by: Meat Missle on 06/12/2007 14:19:52
OK, for those who know less about windows than a dog knows physics, here is a simple way to make a boot.ini for you.
Open My Computer, now open the C:\ drive.
You will now see folders like "windows" and "my documents". This is the right place to start.
Up at the top there is a list of options, file, edit, tools, help. Click on Tools > folder options. Now activate the View tab.
Under here you will be selecting, deselecting boxes.
Select: Show Hidden Files and Folders
Deselect: Hide protected operating system files, Hide extensions for known filetypes.Click Apply, and OK.
Now right click anywhere in the white space under C drive, New > Text Document.
Name this text document "boot.ini", and when it gives you a message about changing filetypes, click yes/ok.
Now right click boot.ini and select OPEN. if it asks you what to open it with, use notepad.
Copy the line below into the text document and save it.
[Boot Loader]
timeout=30
Default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="Windows XP" /fastdetect
All finished! If you want to hide exensions, protected files and hidden files again, just go back into tools> folder options> view and select the boxes pertaining to them.
If you cannot follow this, contact your local computer service store and have them do this in 10 seconds, while charging you 300 of your currency.
Yeah but having done that my msconfig says that the boot selection is not valid. PC's are not like Macs, different set ups, that is the whole point of running a PC.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:22:00 -
[676]
To all the people that want to sue CCP for data loss. Wrong target. Sue the incompentent person that caused that data loss by "fixing" your PC.
For any competent repairman fixing a missing boot.ini is a 5 minute job and done without any loss of data on the disk.
Quote:
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Matthias DuBastyra
House Draconis
Landsraad Ascendant Merchant Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:23:00 -
[677]
Originally by: Lawn Gnome
also affects winxp x64 boxes:( I'm glad they are letting everyone know. To late in my case of several hours ago however:\
Same here, Lawn. I logged in this morning before heading out to work to see my beautiful ships (what a wonderful way to start the day!) I'm sure I share your dismay as my computer just sat there and mocked me with its file "missing or corrupted" message. It was as if it had turned into Nelson Muntz from the Simpsons. I clearly recall hearing a "Ha Ha!" everytime I tried to reboot.
On a suportive note, thanks CCP for doing what you can to rectify the situation. I'm sure all these other posts have been kind (yes, sarcasm intended!) I guess this is another item to add to the "What we've learned today, kids!" column on the chalk board and I do have every bit of confidence that you will help us solve this dilemma.
Peace.
Matthias DuBastyra
Imperiadux of House Draconis
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Taqai
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:23:00 -
[678]
I have not DL'ed the Premium Edition and am currently running Trinity Classic.
My boot.ini file is safely out of harms way, and a backup is available in another folder, and have an emergency Boot CD available as well.
Currently running Windows XP home edition with all SP upgrades on a Dell, and would really like to test the Premium Download at this time.
I am also available to help troubleshoot the install, you may evemail or convo me in game (My Character = Taqai).
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:23:00 -
[679]
Originally by: bidman
oh and i havent turned off my pc or rebooted since the download at 12 midnight for fear of screwing up my new pc ...plz shed some light as to why i cannot find the file ...even tho i havent re booted
The problem is that it does delete the file regardless of Windows running or not, just so happens that when you try restart Windows the next time you will be greeted with an unfriendly error.
Use the steps provided by the opening post to restore your boot.ini
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Vertisce Soritenshi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:24:00 -
[680]
What bugs me is the fact that this program even needs to touch the boot.ini file. It shouldn't need to and there should not be any editing to that file for a game like this. Im going to have to reinstall my entire OS now. This was a huge screw up.
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Meat Missle
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:24:00 -
[681]
You know, for everyone whose so "enraged" and "in disbelief", you could sue CCP and put them out of business. Then you can have EA games or some other "big boy" company buy up their game license and forcefeed you nerf-patches until you choke.
Just look at the Battlefield series which places adware on your system, or Sony who KILLED the best star wars game out.
I invite all of you complainers to my low sec system for a party. Ihakana.
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Bone Chu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:24:00 -
[682]
I'm not entirely sure about the time I installed the update last night and 4 GMT is like 6 in the morning...
It didn't work from inside Eve, so I used the downloadable "eveclassictopremiumpatch45017.exe" patch.
My computer went on perfectly fine this morning. But now you guys freak me out cause I can't find a "boot.ini" or a "boot.ini.bckp" on my computer.... And my computer doesn't even have a C:\WINDOWS\pss folder.
I'm running Windows XP Professional with SP2 and at least I think I have System Restore on. Isn't checked off in 'My Computer' - 'System Restore' tab at least.
Am I affected after the next boot after update or the second next? Do I have to bother with this or not?
Could it be I have my boot.ini somewhere safer through some security settings changes or third-party stuff like antivirus agent or some such? I'm worried now...thanks for making my day....
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Hydrogen
Art of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:24:00 -
[683]
The misleading manual instruction is still up on front page... At least most DELL and probably Sony users using the manual instruction will have a problem...
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=652201
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Jacuro
Caldari
SuX ltd.
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:25:00 -
[684]
I¦m very pleased................................
NOT..........
This teached me not to work and play on the same computer......
Solving my boot issues now, CCP; put on a warm coat...
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:25:00 -
[685]
Edited by: Cailais on 06/12/2007 14:26:54
Originally by: Emmaline
To all who are afraid of loosing their workfiles/art/whatever/**** this is a good time to look into making backups of these files as its not IF but WHEN a harddisk will crash on you.
Sorry, I didnt meant to be a smartass, just a friendly advise..
CCP I feel sorry for you, this is a major screwup... but at least it was not intentional as SoE did with the NGE.
SoEs NGE turned a good game into a sub standard game, CCP have turned my PC from a working computer into an expensive fan. There's a qualitative difference....
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Shmegley Phil
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:25:00 -
[686]
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
What bugs me is the fact that this program even needs to touch the boot.ini file. It shouldn't need to and there should not be any editing to that file for a game like this. Im going to have to reinstall my entire OS now. This was a huge screw up.
1) it doesnt need to touch it, it mistakenly used windows version over its own boot.ini
2) its as simple as copy paste to fix... enjoy reinstalling your OS though.
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Redwolf
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:25:00 -
[687]
Is the patch fixed yet, or can I still brick it?
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:25:00 -
[688]
Edited by: Ting Tong on 06/12/2007 14:26:44
Edited by: Ting Tong on 06/12/2007 14:26:22
Edited by: Ting Tong on 06/12/2007 14:25:50
For those with HP Computers, see the following link:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c00044897&lc=en&cc=uk&dlc=en&product=299100&rule=23035
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Agif
Templar Republic
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:26:00 -
[689]
Originally by: Meat Missle
You know, for everyone whose so "enraged" and "in disbelief", you could sue CCP and put them out of business. Then you can have EA games or some other "big boy" company buy up their game license and forcefeed you nerf-patches until you choke.
Just look at the Battlefield series which places adware on your system, or Sony who KILLED the best star wars game out.
I invite all of you complainers to my low sec system for a party. Ihakana.
STFU i favor EA GAmes over CCP now atleast battlefield updates didnt kill my OS
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Yudraciell Zroc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:26:00 -
[690]
well i have xp media 05' and i have found my boot.ini.backup in the c:/windows/pss area, and i have a boot.txt in the eve areaso i think i am fine...they game had some problems...mainly lag issues in premium content, but other than that i am fine when i went back to the basic graphics engine
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Zuko Droner
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:26:00 -
[691]
I have XP Pro 32bit with all current updates.
When I started my computer this morning it failed to load XP. I did a warm restart and it tried again saying it's using the Boot.ini file from the C:\Windows folder. Everything started up fine from there.
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Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:26:00 -
[692]
Originally by: Sun Kato
Originally by: Kasak Black
What a mess, glad I downloaded a fresh install.
So... should I uninstall the original EVE installment, and just download the new one? Is that the only way I can avoid all this computer BS cus honestly, I can't afford to f*ck up the computer lol I wouldn't know how to fix it, or where to start.
Yes if you completely uninstall EVE and redownload the whole client you will be fine. The only people who are having problems are the ones who upgraded thier clients before 4pm.
You will be fine if you didn't do this. But just to be on the safe side install EVE onto a seperate drive or partition to avoid any possible complications.
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:26:00 -
[693]
Originally by: Vertisce Soritenshi
What bugs me is the fact that this program even needs to touch the boot.ini file. It shouldn't need to and there should not be any editing to that file for a game like this. Im going to have to reinstall my entire OS now. This was a huge screw up.
That is unnecessary - follow the info in this post and it won't take you more than 5 minutes to fix.
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Princesse Qiao
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:26:00 -
[694]
boot.ini does not necessarily show in C when displaying hidden files. A very quick way to see if it is there (and by the way to find those virus files those freebie versions of the virus checkers won't let you delete) is to go: Start - Run - C:/boot.ini and hit enter (it won't harm the PC running it - it will jump up in notepad if it's there). BTW - if you are virus hunting do the same, but just stop at entering the directory Windows wouldn't let you see... |
Slawdawg
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:27:00 -
[695]
lmao as I boot my macbook pro...
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Dervenshia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:28:00 -
[696]
Well a bit late actualy with the discovering.
After the patch, last night when downloaded i turned off my desktop where WinXP Media Center with SP2 was installed, this morning i discovered the problem.
Luckely my Laptop has Vista, meanwhile i'm now reinstalling my entire desktop cause i don't know what happend, but i had to format my partitions before i could re-install an new OS on my system.
Before formatting my partitions i just tried to reinstall.
First on my C: Drive, didn't allowe to copy boot files.
Then i thought i try my D: drive to install it on there, i received the message that it couldn't create the Folder \Windows, the last thing i could do was using an bootable CD where an OS was on, copy all my documents to my external HD and format my partitions. At this moment i'm re-installing Windows XP Mediacenter with SP2 again.
Nice game which messes around with OS Bootfiles.
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MarcusD
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:28:00 -
[697]
Originally by: Kalane Vataros
Ok, on the boot.ini, there is a second box you have to uncheck on windows xp, (yes, i had to make a new boot.ini) and to be honest, they told you most everything of what to do...tools/folder options/view,
Show hidden files and folders and uncheck hide protected system files.
This is a very easy thing to do, and if people like FHPhantom would start doing what is stated instead of yelling about it, it shouldn't be hard to make a boot disk and then from there make a boot.ini. All the information needed is already IN THIS POST.
So CCP made a monumental screw up to a file, which microsoft really should have protected better in the first place, do you think they have some sort of illuminati ring designed to destroy the computers of anyone that played wow or everquest to be the sole dominator of the MMORPG world?
LOL and the gun manufacturers are to blame for murders.
CCP made a MAJOR MAJOR mistake, i've been in the PC gameing worl for over 15 years... can't remember this ever happening, but mistakes do happen and it could of been worse and it is simple enough to fix.. for some, some people just know where the power button is
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:28:00 -
[698]
Originally by: Pacarus Maxilus
I do have a question. I restored my dll last night. But does that mean that I can not run the download that caused this in the first place?
Surely the patch is updated then? So long as you don't run this patch again, you'll be fine. Once your dll is restored you can play EVE itself - just don't run that faulty updater again.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:28:00 -
[699]
Originally by: Quaffin' Quagga
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
i found this on my pc, .. do i have a problem??
If you found this inside the boot.ini file, then you should be fine.
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Jonak
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:29:00 -
[700]
Great. So now I have to look forward to this when I get home.
To be continued...
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Marlsia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:29:00 -
[701]
I think I have just been inspired to upgrade my computer...
So I can get the most from the Trinity upgrade, and the lack of ability to access my current computer.
I am not computer savvy and dont want to pay some techie at PC world ú100 quid to install a small file.
If I have ú600 what would be a good system to go for ?
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CONTRACT KILL3R
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:29:00 -
[702]
Well, after having done a system restore it looks like the entire EVE game got reverted back to classic however when I go to load EVE i get a message pointing to a slew of missing files relating to Trinity. So now that I have EVE completely uninstalled I suppose Ill have to download the client and Trinity over again.
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Justice Bringer
Minmatar
Space-Bar
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:30:00 -
[703]
Originally by: CCP Pete
Please do not reboot your computer without reading this information and determining if your system might be affected.
Hold on a moment there CCP Pete, what makes you think that people who upgrade their game client will also have their Inernet Explorer/Firefox or other browser open when doing the upgrade???
Luckily you've stated that Vista isn't affected because after installing the upgrade the first thing I did was shut down my gf laptop. So can you imagine I haven't read this post at 02:00 am GMT as I was dog tired and just went straight to bed without any incling of any issue at all.
What you should have told people to do was to make a 'System Restore Point/Check Point' (Start-> All Programs -> Accessories -> System Tools -> System Restore) before doing this upgrade. That way you at least give people the chance that they may be able to salvage the old system settings after the botched install, but no that's not what has happened and now people may have a serious pc issue with deleted system files for which many will struggle to restore.
Originally by: CCP Pete
We apologise for this and are working as best we can to find a solution.
Sharkbait
Eve Online Development Team
Scant consolation for people whon now cannot boot their PC up right???
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Emmaline
Ginnungagaps Rymdfarargille
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:30:00 -
[704]
Originally by: Cailais
Edited by: Cailais on 06/12/2007 14:26:54
Originally by: Emmaline
To all who are afraid of loosing their workfiles/art/whatever/**** this is a good time to look into making backups of these files as its not IF but WHEN a harddisk will crash on you.
Sorry, I didnt meant to be a smartass, just a friendly advise..
CCP I feel sorry for you, this is a major screwup... but at least it was not intentional as SoE did with the NGE.
SoEs NGE turned a good game into a sub standard game, CCP have turned my PC from a working computer into an expensive fan. There's a qualitative difference....
C.
At least you can fix your computer... SoE is still trying eh!!
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:31:00 -
[705]
Well I hope CCP have learned not to use their testing hardware to test stuff. I recomend buying an out of the box lamer home gamer PC to test on for each patch.
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Athanasia Samsa
Amarr
Cold Meat Industry
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:32:00 -
[706]
no idea if anyone pointed it out already but there's another way to see if there's a boot.ini present.
got to start/run or press the windowskey+r
type in "msconfig" - without the "" of course. :)
you'll get into the system configuration utility, there should be a tab called boot.ini - if not, start fixing.
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JeanLuc Rome
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:32:00 -
[707]
Edited by: JeanLuc Rome on 06/12/2007 14:33:51
I did this solution and it work just fine ^^
Repair boot.ini at About.com
Access Recovery Console
You don't need to own a Windows CD... I had to repair Dell laptop with a HP laptop OS CD... as long as it can load windows from CD-Drive you should be fine.
You won't have to delete your drive or install Windows again neither... OS CD is just so you can access Recovery Console from it and not from your Hardrive
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Jacuro
Caldari
SuX ltd.
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:32:00 -
[708]
There will be alot of people in Foreign Languages that are COMPLETELY lost now.
Start working on a translation guys.
If needed i can translate from English into:
Dutch
German
Spanish
Croatian
Just send me the needed text in English
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:33:00 -
[709]
Edited by: Cailais on 06/12/2007 14:37:06
/me gives up.
Off to PC World I go.
How can I stop this:
'Booting from C' ???
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Shmegley Phil
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:33:00 -
[710]
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Well I hope CCP have learned not to use their testing hardware to test stuff. I recomend buying an out of the box lamer home gamer PC to test on for each patch.
AND I recommend you delete this guys post before he gets verbally destroyed.
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Steky
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:33:00 -
[711]
Originally by: Steky
Originally by: Sirikar Nakasoroki
Originally by: Steky
ok i looked up my boot.ini wasnt in root dir and i made a new one.. so i restarted and then windows xp sp2 professional didnt start cuz some file from system32 was missing some .dll
now i reinstalled xp and i dont know if i can run the client with premium content that i downloaded before 4 a.m.????
hal.dll was missing, soon as you have reinstalled your OS you will be fine running the game.
bump
ok so you are saying i can run the eve i had updated last night and it wont mess up my boot.ini or windows again?
cuz i didnt download premium content seperately i downloaded it from ingame and i dont have that patch alone for install.
so do i have to download again preium content update or i can play from old eve installation?
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Tiara Love
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:33:00 -
[712]
Everyone makes mistakes. This is a sucky one. But you people who lost all your important documents should have a backup. You cannot blame ccp for this, you could have lost the same data any other way.
In general if you are doing important stuff on your computer then you should have another partition for video games.
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H1yomika
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:33:00 -
[713]
This is how I fixed mine, but you need the XP discs
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314477
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DETURK
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:34:00 -
[714]
Okay as I shutdown my computer ever night. I can't even get into windows. Gives me this error;
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You
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LATECH
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:34:00 -
[715]
Hey I have the Win Xp Pro Service pack 2, and I went and looked in the system start up and edit and I read this in the edit menu.
[boot loader]
timeout=1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
now how can i tell if I am ok or not? I read all the instractuions but it keeps confusing me,I havent rebooted yet but I did install the patch lastnight 20h00pm Canada-Quebec-Eastern Time Dec 05.
I also tried this and got no answer from Windowx XpPro
Check the root directory of your hard drive and see if you have a boot.ini file, if so then you are not affected. The file is normally hidden so you need to click Tools : Folder Options : View and select "Show hidden files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" to be able to see it.
You can also check for the presence of this file by clicking Start : Control Panel : System : Advanced : Startup and Recovery : Settings (third button down). Windows will alert you if the boot.ini file is missing.
So what can I do? or what am I supposed to do?
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Urofseron Ksatnados
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:34:00 -
[716]
OK
I followed the original instructions and d/l the file, renamed it to boot.ini and put in in my e: drive (where windows is installed, not c: ) When I type msconfig, I dont' have a boot.ini tab to select.
I kept reading the other posts and someone said to use the boot.ini backup in the windows/pss folder. I just checked that folder and I don't have a boot.ini backup file in that folder.
I am running WinXP Pro 2002 w/SP2 installed. I have a c: drive that is for storage and my e: drive is my windows / eve installation drive.
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virgon Dax
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:35:00 -
[717]
i have rbooted 3 x since upgrade to trinity premium. my system though does show my boot file is affected. i am running xp media edition however which seems to make me immune for now.
Saska dax
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corporal hicks
Gallente
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:36:00 -
[718]
Originally by: Steky
Originally by: Steky
Originally by: Sirikar Nakasoroki
Originally by: Steky
ok i looked up my boot.ini wasnt in root dir and i made a new one.. so i restarted and then windows xp sp2 professional didnt start cuz some file from system32 was missing some .dll
now i reinstalled xp and i dont know if i can run the client with premium content that i downloaded before 4 a.m.????
hal.dll was missing, soon as you have reinstalled your OS you will be fine running the game.
bump
ok so you are saying i can run the eve i had updated last night and it wont mess up my boot.ini or windows again?
cuz i didnt download premium content seperately i downloaded it from ingame and i dont have that patch alone for install.
so do i have to download again preium content update or i can play from old eve installation?
If its all installed and was installed before you did the OS reinstall the damage was done and repaired you will be fine running the game.
" Stay Frosty "
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:36:00 -
[719]
Originally by: DETURK
Okay as I shutdown my computer ever night. I can't even get into windows. Gives me this error;
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You
I would urge you to read this.
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Worry
Slacker Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:36:00 -
[720]
Quote:
"Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini."
Ok so when I run msconfig the program locks up and I have to press Ctrl+alt+delete to end the unresponsive program.
I do not have a backup file in my PSS folder. Out of the box user here with a lot of important work files on this PC.
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Kasak Black
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:37:00 -
[721]
noob question here, but would it be possible to make the 'boot.ini' file that comes with XP install CD's avalible to download?
Or are they all individual?
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:37:00 -
[722]
I always had an image in my mind that these CompanyÆs that run the MMORPGs where of a very professional standard and that the free online ones where just little 2bit setups.
This Sort of frak up would be something I would expect to get if I had downloaded one of those free MMORPGs from a 2bit company, and I would just think to my self that I deserved it as itÆs free for a reason.
But EVE online with its 200,000 user base (something like 3 million euros a month) has just in my books dropped below the rankings of a 2bit company.
I seriously think that CCP should do some sort of Good will gesture and I donÆt mean a couple of days free play.
Their are thousands of users out their that are just not technical enough to understand boot.ini and restores even with a well meaning post on how to do it( I should know as I have banged my head against the wall several times trying to explain simple tasks to end users). And their are even more users out their that donÆt know what has happened to their PC and donÆt have any other access to the internet, leaving them to proberly try and do a full install formatting their entire drive.
Can you imagine if World of Warcraft had done this with their 3 million subscribers? Obviously they are one of the professional companyÆs.
My MMORPG Rankings of games that give a dam about the quality of their stuff( Eve has now dropped below in my books Star Wars Galaxies)
1.World Of Warcraft
2.Lord Of the Rings
3.Guild Wars
4.City Of Heros
5.Legend Of MIR
6.RF Online
7.Archlord
8.Flyff
9.Star Wars Galaxies
10.Eve Online
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:38:00 -
[723]
Originally by: LATECH
Hey I have the Win Xp Pro Service pack 2, and I went and looked in the system start up and edit and I read this in the edit menu.
[boot loader]
timeout=1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
now how can i tell if I am ok or not? I read all the instractuions but it keeps confusing me,I havent rebooted yet but I did install the patch lastnight 20h00pm Canada-Quebec-Eastern Time Dec 05.
I also tried this and got no answer from Windowx XpPro
Check the root directory of your hard drive and see if you have a boot.ini file, if so then you are not affected. The file is normally hidden so you need to click Tools : Folder Options : View and select "Show hidden files and folders" and uncheck "Hide protected operating system files" to be able to see it.
You can also check for the presence of this file by clicking Start : Control Panel : System : Advanced : Startup and Recovery : Settings (third button down). Windows will alert you if the boot.ini file is missing.
So what can I do? or what am I supposed to do?
You should be ok, since this appears to be a valid boot.ini.
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:38:00 -
[724]
Originally by: Shmegley Phil
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Well I hope CCP have learned not to use their testing hardware to test stuff. I recomend buying an out of the box lamer home gamer PC to test on for each patch.
AND I recommend you delete this guys post before he gets verbally destroyed.
Well thats a bit harsh - lol
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Cornelius Falkner
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:39:00 -
[725]
i patched to premium gfx on two of my computers (xp pro/home) yesterday.
today both refused to boot saying:
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
Windows\System32\Hal.dll
i followed the guide at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/ as ccp pete suggested.
took only about 5 minutes to fix the problem.
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Baulath
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:40:00 -
[726]
Edited by: Baulath on 06/12/2007 14:42:15
Windows XP Professional x64
I had to do a system restore, which restored my boot.ini file. I'm posting it below for Windows XP Pro x64 users.
1. Create a text file in C:\
2. Open it, copy paste the below and save it.
3. Rename the file boot.ini ignore any warnings.
4. Reboot.. But don't blame me if it doesn't work.. It works for me on a standard Windows install. (I accept no responsibility for loss of data caused by using this suggest fix)
-- Boot.ini -- (copy whats below this)
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional x64 Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
-- end -- (Don't copy this line)
P.S - I love EVE, love the game, love the community, though, I suggest everyone who has lost data or had to spend money having their system repaired seeks compenstation. "We apologise for this and are working as best we can to find a solution." Simply does not cut it.
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Pivalak
Happy hOur Mining and industry
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:40:00 -
[727]
As already pointed, if an average user suffering this issue has no second computer to check the forums or search internet for help, all he or she can do is either try to figure out how to fix the computer alone or get it repaired... probably at some cost.
I'm looking forward to see CCP's official policy on this. If they stick to the EULA implying they are not liable for anything, and therefore offering no kind of compensation, I'll probably leave the game. In fact, some friends of mine who were considering joining the game, have already made clear they are not interested on it any more, in light of this event.
In any case, according to the EULA, we are responsible for any damage CCP does to our computers, and they have proven not to be a reliable source of software. Acting upon that responsibility, I'm therefore considering whether the game is worth risking this sort of issues and potential losses.
After all, same as today they deleted boot.ini from a wide number of computers, the consequences of future errors could be much more harmful and difficult to recover from.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:41:00 -
[728]
Not using Macromedia Installshield are they? The last two releases of Installshield will do this if the build options aren't set correctly. Previous releases didn't.
We found this out the hard way too, fortunately we had only pushed the package to one lab....
Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Since this thread continues to fight against the people who derail it into the macro miners witchhunt. I will move it to features and ideas discussion where ...
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Ram Celles
Gallente
Ordo Drakonis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:41:00 -
[729]
bah **** happens live with it
dont blame CCP, it's was just an minor error, and im
sure all in the company work hard to fix this and even generally
to present us with a great game.
I's just so much to do and so little time.
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Mudkest
Ekliptika Engineers
Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:42:00 -
[730]
eve-online ate my boot.ini!
and all I got was this lousy startup message.
actualy I was lucky that my comp seems to have personalty issues and refuses to shut-down now and then(like last night )... searched c: drive for boot.ini and found a boot.ini.backup in some windows folder, copied that to c: and renamed, but scared of rebooting/shutting down now :s
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OriasV
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:42:00 -
[731]
I've done what was previously suggested in this topic, System restore killed the problem, i was receiving and error while booting, but this has fixed it, hail system restore.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:43:00 -
[732]
Originally by: Cailais
/me gives up.
Off to PC World I go.
How can I stop this:
'Booting from C' ???
I believe someone mentioned this a few pages back, you'll need to enter your bios and change the boot order so your CD/DVD Rom drive has priority over your hard drive.
As your machine starts up and before windows startup, it should have a prompt that asks you hit f9/delete for "startup options" or something to that effect. Once you trigger that you'll be in a primitive, dos like screen and that'll be your bios controls--shift the priority and save and exit.
You should be able to run the backup disk that way.
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BRooDJeRo
Insane Rocketeers
Exa Nation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:43:00 -
[733]
Edited by: BRooDJeRo on 06/12/2007 14:44:00
I'm seeing that Vista isnt affected, although im not sure of that. On the system reboot i got a 1 time only choice of in my case operating system. By selecting it it booted normaly and the screen didnt return after another reboot. So no real harm done, but still the fuzy stuff.
I'm running Vista Ultimate x64 and used a full new fresh version of the premium content.
This might have been come up along the way, although maybe still usefull info for the ppl who need to locate the problem for a patch or something.
Have a nice 1!
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:43:00 -
[734]
Surely an exe can be created to be downloaded and run to fix this ? I would try but I dont have enough legal cover :p
I was just thinking using a locally run program it may be able to detect the boot strap or look for backups, shouldn't take too long to write.
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Hedge Knight
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:44:00 -
[735]
I instaled Premium patch over classic and everything doing ok . i use win xp pro sp 2
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Lemurianus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:44:00 -
[736]
Well, my boot ini looks fine, the boot.ini contents are equal to those written in this thread... But I found a problem I didnt have before this patch. Yes, I updated eve client before 4am. Its just that, now, when I insert a cd on my dvd-rom drive, it plays for a few seconds and then PC crashes, doesnt reboot, just crashes. Tried to do the same procedure four time, all the same. Was playing an avi file (one of the ones downloaded from this site), opened it on Windows Media Player and also on BSPlayer. Both made the PC crash.
Any ideas on how to solve this problem?
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Ailean Caldaire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:46:00 -
[737]
Well CCP, I would say you've screwed the pooch...but I think in this case it is much worse then that.
Why would your updater touch my boot.ini? I've now spent three hours in a linux livecd environment to try and rebuild it. Some of us use it to chainload more OSes then just windows you know.
I have to say, that if an update can mess my computer up this bad because of your terrible quality control, I'm seriously considering canceling my account.
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Saska Dax
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:46:00 -
[738]
i understand that a preliminary way has been achieved to fix the problem and thtas cool. But this involves xp disks which idont have as my comp came preloaded. im not a comp geek and im starting to get pretty well confused.
Saska Dax
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Kim kitori
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:46:00 -
[739]
You guys are mean. But nice idea. More game companies should do this. It will stop the virus known as "windows" from spreading.
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Baulath
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:47:00 -
[740]
Removing a users boot.ini is not a minor error. That's a major full blown FAILURE. This is a classic programming 101 what not to do mistake. Amateur at best! Whoever did it needs to step up, apologise then go back to coding in VB. I wonder if we will get compensation? I seriously doubt it. CCP makes an utter joke of it's players constantly. Where's the love for your own community?
P.s: Good update besides this massive issue, oh and change hulk skins back they look boring now.
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:47:00 -
[741]
Originally by: Mudkest
eve-online ate my boot.ini!
and all I got was this lousy startup message.
actualy I was lucky that my comp seems to have personalty issues and refuses to shut-down now and then(like last night )... searched c: drive for boot.ini and found a boot.ini.backup in some windows folder, copied that to c: and renamed, but scared of rebooting/shutting down now :s
If the boot.ini is present at the time you shut down, you should be ok.
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Lemurianus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:53:00 -
[742]
Originally by: Lemurianus
Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 14:51:26
Well, my boot ini looks fine, the boot.ini contents are equal to those written in this thread... But I found a problem I didnt have before this patch. Yes, I updated eve client before 4am. Its just that, now, when I insert a cd on my dvd-rom drive, it plays for a few seconds and then PC crashes, doesnt reboot, just crashes. Tried to do the same procedure four time, all the same. Was playing an avi file (one of the ones downloaded from this site), opened it on Windows Media Player and also on BSPlayer. Both made the PC crash.
Any ideas on how to solve this problem?
P.S.- its not the optical drive at all. Just crashed again without any particular reason.
Is there any other way to bump this? Has anyone complained about the same issue before?
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:53:00 -
[743]
Originally by: Baulath
Everyone use the image in my sig as their sig.. Might send a message to CCP of their players community's upset... Might provoke some action.. Probably just get nerfed.. Silencing the masses is sure to help!
look how stupid you are
stop posting
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Pivalak
Happy hOur Mining and industry
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:53:00 -
[744]
Originally by: Ram Celles
dont blame CCP, it's was just an minor error, and im
sure all in the company work hard to fix this and even generally
to present us with a great game.
Actually, I won't blame CCP if this was some sort of amateur project, which worked as a hobbie, and was aimed at producing a game as a personal project.
However, CCP supposedly is a professional company on the field of software development. Now there is an asset composed of several good practices of software engineering which are precisely aimed at avoiding suprises as this... when you do a professional work. This doesn't mean that mistakes can't happen, but there are procedures which ensure that most of them are caught before the product is delivered, and this wasn't a minor flaw in an obscure feature of the program, but a major issue which affected a noticeable percentage of their user base.
The fact that some users already reported this during the tests on SiSi and were dismissed by CCP only makes the whole situation even worst. In a professional environment, when a user reports an issue, the least which is done is to check it instead of ignoring them. I can't emphasize this enough as CCP is a software company who earns money through this professional activity, not a team of independent developers who created EVE out of good will.
Finally, even if the cause for an error can be a small typo, the error is not minor if it has these consequences.
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Admiral Keyes
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:55:00 -
[745]
I downloaded the update patch before 4am.
But i have shut down and restarted my computer a few times since and it boots up fine. But when i search for boot.ini it cant find it and the BOOT.INI tab in the msconfig isn't there.
Does this mean that i am not looking in the right place and that my computer is fine? I get no error messages on boot up. I just ran a system restore back to the 4th December and am redownloading the Eve Premium client.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:55:00 -
[746]
Originally by: Jacuro
There will be alot of people in Foreign Languages that are COMPLETELY lost now.
Start working on a translation guys.
If needed i can translate from English into:
Dutch
German
Spanish
Croatian
Just send me the needed text in English
I can provide a Portuguese translation. Just need an OFFICIAL answer that I should translate.
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:55:00 -
[747]
Edited by: Kronarty on 06/12/2007 14:56:13
I think the question most people are going to ask next is:
Who gets fired over this incredible ****up?
Heads roll in serious businesses over less important stuff.
I mean, it's kinda hard not to detect this monumental screwup. It's not like it only manifests itself if you do something strange and esoteric...
Oh wait! you will blame some poor volunteer because you use amateurs for QA
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:55:00 -
[748]
I guess that key CCP staff are all running about with their thumbs up there collective A55es pointing their fingers at each other right now saying that it wasnÆt their teams fault.
Seems like this thread is the only place that i cant vent my fustration. and belive me its helping a great deal.
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Ram Celles
Gallente
Ordo Drakonis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:55:00 -
[749]
umm if the boot is there it's FINE ...
the only problem is if the boot.ini is missing ...
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Sgt Zim
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:56:00 -
[750]
Originally by: Ailean Caldaire
Well CCP, I would say you've screwed the pooch...but I think in this case it is much worse then that.
Why would your updater touch my boot.ini? I've now spent three hours in a linux livecd environment to try and rebuild it. Some of us use it to chainload more OSes then just windows you know.
I have to say, that if an update can mess my computer up this bad because of your terrible quality control, I'm seriously considering canceling my account.
Can I have your stuff
Kr0m recruitment thread |
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Ram Celles
Gallente
Ordo Drakonis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:57:00 -
[751]
Originally by: Sgt Zim
Originally by: Ailean Caldaire
Well CCP, I would say you've screwed the pooch...but I think in this case it is much worse then that.
Why would your updater touch my boot.ini? I've now spent three hours in a linux livecd environment to try and rebuild it. Some of us use it to chainload more OSes then just windows you know.
I have to say, that if an update can mess my computer up this bad because of your terrible quality control, I'm seriously considering canceling my account.
Can I have your stuff
let's share his stuff
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Nolone
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:57:00 -
[752]
You guys are complete ass-hats. How could you not have ******* tested your install and not seen this. CCP wins the dumb**** of the year award.
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labellemineuse
Gallente
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:58:00 -
[753]
In the company I am working for, this would be classified as an A0 Defect, meaning bad juujuu destructive defect, the kind you never want to see...
Why? because that's the kind of defect you will get sued for or have to fork monetary compensation for damages.
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Craig Spist
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:58:00 -
[754]
Can someone confirm that Vista is not affected? I see a boot.ini.saved file but no boot.ini file.
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Ram Celles
Gallente
Ordo Drakonis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 14:58:00 -
[755]
Originally by: Nolone
You guys are complete ass-hats. How could you not have ******* tested your install and not seen this. CCP wins the dumb**** of the year award.
dont get angry over nothing...
just a dumb file lol
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Shodo Deka
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:04:00 -
[756]
Originally by: Craig Spist
Can someone confirm that Vista is not affected? I see a boot.ini.saved file but no boot.ini file.
Vista is not affected by this issue, since it does not use a boot.ini file, which is also why you cannot find one if you are running Vista. If you installed Vista by upgrading from XP, the boot.ini file might still be there, but it will not be used by Vista in the boot process.
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Shanderley Rialla
Minmatar
RONA Midgard Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:04:00 -
[757]
I'm not affected by this issue, lucky me. However I've been thinking about how it could be possible to let something like that slip through QA.
And I think it it quite easy to miss a bug like that: The scenario is just too unusual for a tester. You have to have a machine running Windows, that is not installed in the first partition. You have to install the game on the same partition as Windows. You have even think about testing a reboot (as one of the devs mentioned, it's not rare that developer computers are not rebootet very often and run some kind of tests or jobs at night).
All in all, it's quite a serious bug, and I don't want to be the one (or better one of those) responsible for it. But I can see how it slipped through their QA, as it is a very unlikely setup for a developer/tester machine. That does not excuse naming a file "boot.ini" to begin with, though... ;)
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Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:04:00 -
[758]
This is some interesting news to wake up to.
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Verity Moya
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:04:00 -
[759]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: Verity Moya
Edited by: Verity Moya on 06/12/2007 15:00:40
I have no idea if anyone covered this already (it's impossible to spot in 30 pages of "why did this happen?" and "am I screwed?")... but I think I have a rare occurance and I have no idea what to do now.
I downloaded the content upgrade before 4:00 GMT.
I didn't install it, though.
So, am I uneffected because I didn't install it... or because I didn't install it YET?
It's constantly bugging me to install, whenever I log on. Is it safe or what?
Do I need to delete my client?
Is there some way to uninstall this thing without deleting the client?
I would err on the side of caution and redownload it.
By "redownload it" you mean the client? Or the ugrade?
If it's the latter, I have no idea how to do that.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:05:00 -
[760]
Originally by: vanBuskirk
Well, CCP has really done it this time. Just what does the QA team do all day? This screwup is completely unacceptable by anyone's standard.
I am now rather glad that my home desktop and my laptop both have rubbish graphics cards that won't allow me to run the new version. So, apparently, I am in the clear in both cases.
However, I have an issue with the machine at work. I am responsible for administering it, so there is nobody to yell at if things go wrong. I occasionally boot up EVE on it to change skills and so on. Can someone please tell me a few things?
If I upgrade to the latest version of Classic will this mess happen?
No.
Originally by: vanBuskirk
Is there a way of getting the machine upgraded to the new graphics without killing the PC? Is, for example, the advice correct about downloading the full Trinity II client instead of the patch?
The offending patch has been removed from the network, and as such all new content downloads will not receive this problem. Failing that you can download the full client or just the patch from here.
Originally by: vanBuskirk
If I patch to the new version of Classic, will the upgrade to the new version with the new graphics start automatically and saturate my internet connection for an hour? If it does is there some way of stopping it?
The client allows you to administer the start of the download, and then subsequently the throttling of it. You have to start the client and hit the escape button, or open the settings window. There you will should find options to manipulate the download.
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:05:00 -
[761]
Originally by: Pluvia Procella
Originally by: Baulath
Everyone use the image in my sig as their sig.. Might send a message to CCP of their players community's upset... Might provoke some action.. Probably just get nerfed.. Silencing the masses is sure to help!
Acutally, provoking action is quite easy, silencing the masses will NOT be possible, and compensation will be taken care of. It's called...
Class Action Lawsuit.
By there admitted programming error they've cause computer problems to thousands of of users. If this were a virus, they'd have the police at their doorstep...
Well its gonna be a tough day at CCP head office.
If you go to google then news and type in eve online its already up there.
I hope they can get through this ok, t-shirts are a good idea. I would wear one proudly.
I love Eve Online. Well I really secretly love Eve and pretend she is a real person.
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Cousarras
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:06:00 -
[762]
In all fairness, the error CCP made with the patcher is a lot more subtle than most realize. Telling the patcher "Delete file \"Program Files"\CCP\EVE\boot.ini" would not work. This is because many people, myself included like to install the game to something other than its default directory. "G:\games\eve\" in my case. Thus the correct command to the patcher would have been "Delete file .\boot.ini" The little period there tells the patcher to delete the boot.ini located in the present folder. Without that one character though... well, you know the rest.
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Claudius Tiberius
Eve Liberation Force
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:07:00 -
[763]
Who on earth still has floppy disks???
And I love what CCP has done with this upgrade dont get me wrong, but this seriously blows ass.
I shut down my computer yesterday and now it won't boot... Great... I see alot of posts regarding fixing the problem when you havent rebooted yet, but I have seen none from CCP stating what to do when you did reboot it and it won't start again. I might be missing it, but can anyone enlighten me?
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zeluk
Caldari
Shades Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:07:00 -
[764]
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making.
Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares...
If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice.
Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:07:00 -
[765]
The patch did effect by system I am running XP prof
Here is a sample bat file i made to fix my problem.
my eve was installed in c:\program files
my winXP was installed on C drive.
I did install the patch and notice the error after rebooting
i know that this may not some of you. but it what i used to get me running
@echo off
cd c:
attrib -s -h -a boot.ini
attrib -s -h -a c:\windows\pss\boot.ini.backup
copy c:\windows\pss\boot.ini.backup boot.ini
attrib +s +h +a boot.ini
echo.
echo You are done and your Org "Boot.ini" files is restored from backup!
echo.
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:08:00 -
[766]
When you guys figure out who will be the scapegoat, can you please make sure that his ingame charactor is made to have a negative standing with everyplayer in EVE, So when we see him we can all vent our anger at him.
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Bone Chu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:08:00 -
[767]
Since I booted up all fine this morning and haven't shut down the computer since, but couldn't find a boot.ini, i copied these lines into a notepad window and saved as a boot.ini under C root directory:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
will this averse a failing at reboot, since now my startup and recovery settings show up normally without the boot.ini not found warning?
ALSO, where was the msconfig with boot.ini tab located again?
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Barnicle Bob
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:08:00 -
[768]
If you cannot boot / start your machine, THIS WORKED:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/
You will need a recovery disk, however, it does not need to be from your machine, borrow or use one from another machine, neighbor, or friend. In this case I have multiple machines with XP. The recovery disk was from another machine but the repair worked great.
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Somerled MacDhommal
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 -
[769]
Originally by: Cousarras
In all fairness, the error CCP made with the patcher is a lot more subtle than most realize. Telling the patcher "Delete file \"Program Files"\CCP\EVE\boot.ini" would not work. This is because many people, myself included like to install the game to something other than its default directory. "G:\games\eve\" in my case. Thus the correct command to the patcher would have been "Delete file .\boot.ini" The little period there tells the patcher to delete the boot.ini located in the present folder. Without that one character though... well, you know the rest.
True, its a fairly easy problem to make. As a unix admin, i've seen cases where people have done a rm -rf / home/username. But that little space there makes all the difference in the world.
HOWEVER, this is why there is quality control and testing procedures. Normaly reboots should not be part of this sort of testing procedures, because the game devs should not expect to be making modifications to the OS. But as you can see, they made one. A new testing procedure needs to include rebooting all development machines on a daily/weekly basis.
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 -
[770]
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making.
Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares...
If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice.
Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations.
If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 -
[771]
Originally by: Kronarty
Edited by: Kronarty on 06/12/2007 14:56:13
I think the question most people are going to ask next is:
Who gets fired over this incredible ****up?
Heads roll in serious businesses over less important stuff.
I mean, it's kinda hard not to detect this monumental screwup. It's not like it only manifests itself if you do something strange and esoteric...
Oh wait! you will blame some poor volunteer because you use amateurs for QA
Firing someone for a bug is an immature decision on ANY busines. Dropping a valuable team member because he made a mistake is the type of practice that leads companies to disaster. No serious software development manager would fire anyone unless was on purpose. Even if it was a much serious problem, like something that caused a reactor meltdown. Mistakes happen and ALL company is responsible for them. Sometiems even when you follow all the company guidelines and rules, **** happens.
If someone is guilty its microsoft for making such NOOB mistake of leaving system critical files within reach of other program installation proccess.
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carbonated softdrink
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 -
[772]
Edited by: carbonated softdrink on 06/12/2007 15:15:04
Im one of those who installed before 4am.
My boot.ini file disappeared but i restarted correctly although the only thing i get is the splash screen of new eve trinity and nothing else comes up.
And so, i re-download again, re-installed it, upgrade every possible driver, disabled sound, clean the registry files, de-activated the firewall, but still nothing came up after the splash screen.
And so i created a new boot.ini, un-installed eve, re-download the "suspected" fix, installed it, reboot, and still i get the friking splash screen and that's about it.
By the way, this happen to me in Classic (which was suppposed to work fine, as some say) , Upgrade and premium. And got Win XP professional running.
So, now what???
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petergriffen
Amarr
Dufrene Holdings. INC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:09:00 -
[773]
once again...
I installed the patch last night immediately after the server became available again. Thankfully I never shut down my computer.
I'm capable of restoring my boot.ini file without all of the guides, but I appreciate all of the good information to those who aren't so computer literate. The only question I have has to do with RAID setups. I've never had to restore a boot.ini file on a RAID 0 setup, and I'm wondering if there is anything in the file that has to do with RAID in general, i.e loading the RAID driver on startup, or is that handled elsewhere?
Before people jump on me and scream 'READ THE THREAD!' I've gone through about 18 pages so far and have only seen questions about it, but no answers.
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Tia Destantia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:10:00 -
[774]
wow i think this is the first time i've seen a game fubar an OS. I guess no one restarts their computers at ccp.
I'm really glad i typically don't restart my computer as i'm likely hit by this issue based on what i'm reading. So from what i'm seeing if you have windows installed on your primary partition it's a simple couple of lines in the file. I do think that ccp should do something for some of the users. Not everyone would come to the website or has the know how to fix this issue on their own, especially if they restarted.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:10:00 -
[775]
Huh. I didn't have this problem at all when I downloaded and installed the patch and I definitely got it before 4am.
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zeluk
Caldari
Shades Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:11:00 -
[776]
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making.
Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares...
If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice.
Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations.
If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ?
Il do it when i next need to reboot. It isnt a necessity to drop everything and do it right away.
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midge Mo'yb
R.U.S.T.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:12:00 -
[777]
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q310994
i dont have a fdd to test this but im pretty sure these disks have the recovery console on em for people without xp cds
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:12:00 -
[778]
Originally by: zeluk
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making.
Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares...
If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice.
Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations.
If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ?
Il do it when i next need to reboot. It isnt a necessity to drop everything and do it right away.
Your scared to reboot just like all of us :p
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Lemurianus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:13:00 -
[779]
Originally by: Lemurianus
Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 15:12:33
Originally by: Lemurianus
Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 14:51:26
Well, my boot ini looks fine, the boot.ini contents are equal to those written in this thread... But I found a problem I didnt have before this patch. Yes, I updated eve client before 4am. Its just that, now, when I insert a cd on my dvd-rom drive, it plays for a few seconds and then PC crashes, doesnt reboot, just crashes. Tried to do the same procedure four time, all the same. Was playing an avi file (one of the ones downloaded from this site), opened it on Windows Media Player and also on BSPlayer. Both made the PC crash.
Any ideas on how to solve this problem?
P.S.- its not the optical drive at all. Just crashed again without any particular reason.
Is there any other way to bump this? Has anyone complained about the same issue before?
bump
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Cousarras
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:13:00 -
[780]
Edited by: Cousarras on 06/12/2007 15:13:36
Originally by: petergriffen
I've never had to restore a boot.ini file on a RAID 0 setup, and I'm wondering if there is anything in the file that has to do with RAID in general, i.e loading the RAID driver on startup, or is that handled elsewhere?
That's handled with the multi(0) I believe. The MS KB says that that is also valid for "SCSI controllers needing their own BIOS drivers" without mentioning anything about linking to the drivers within the boot.ini. As far as windows is concerned a RAID 0 setup is basically the same as a SCSI controller needing its own BIOS driver.
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zeluk
Caldari
Shades Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:15:00 -
[781]
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: zeluk
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making.
Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares...
If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice.
Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations.
If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ?
Il do it when i next need to reboot. It isnt a necessity to drop everything and do it right away.
Your scared to reboot just like all of us :p
Incorrect. You are all panicing when there simply is no need. If the problem of not being able to start your PC up when your reboot, then that problem can occur at your leisure. I have my recovery disk ready and will reboot, in my own time.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:15:00 -
[782]
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: zeluk
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making.
Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares...
If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice.
Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations.
If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ?
Il do it when i next need to reboot. It isnt a necessity to drop everything and do it right away.
Your scared to reboot just like all of us :p
If you hava a non blank boot.ini in your c: root then you are safe, if you don have and use XP you are not safe, and solve it before rebooting. Its simple as 1+1. Don know why people make this into a mythical magical issue.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Ubernathe Alundi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:16:00 -
[783]
I downloaded the graphics update, had a few problems, couldnt figure it out since my card was supported. So i went to nvidia and downloaded drivers, installed and it asked to restart pc....my pc wouldnt come back on, had some dll file missing, i didnt know if it was from the eve update or the card update but i had todo system recovery, does this now mean i have to re-install eve and was it eve that caused this in the first place? if so i will feel safe downloading the nvidia drivers again to update my graphics card if eve was the problem.
Any help will be great thanks!
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Lucas Avignon
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:16:00 -
[784]
Oh I read someone thing about this last night, well it booted up today fine, I use a different hard drive for eve so that seems to be unaffected.
I hope everyone can sort it out. Little mistakes can be the biggest pain sometimes ^^
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praznimrak
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:18:00 -
[785]
Well i have eve client on same drive and did upregd from last verrsion.Im misiong boot file and still my pc boot properly.Im confused what to do.And i did upgraed expansion 5 minuts after server was on.Shoud i get that file anyway??????
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Gurney Halleck
Caldari
Bored with EvE
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:19:00 -
[786]
Did the upgrade last night. Powered off the computer and later tried to power back up. Files were missing. Was too late to mess with it so today at work I am reading the forums and see what happened. The boot.ini file was overlayed. Well, I am no technician, and this is the computer my kids use for homework. So I need to hire a technician to come in and fix this today at my home. That'll probably be a few hundred bucks. I'm sure I can't be the only "techno-blonde" that plays eve. There must be plenty of us. So much for my "FREE" upgrade.
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Sucram
Amarr
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:19:00 -
[787]
Sry for asking a question that might have been anwserd already, but i cant be asked to read 31 pages to find out.
But is it safe now to download the patch if i¦m using Win XP SP2??
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zeluk
Caldari
Shades Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:19:00 -
[788]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: zeluk
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
Yes my boot.ini has gone but iv had no problems starting up my PC. And it will take me 5 minutes to fix the issue, using the information that CCP has provided us with. So stop acting like CCP are oblivious the 1 million posts you people are making.
Also well done to those that have posted help, instead of flaming. Do you people actually realise that by posting on a forum, an internet forum...nobody cares...
If you have an issue with CCP or want to sue them or whatever other ludacrus ideas your coming up with, why dont you spend your time calling a lawyer, which will cost you more than just downloading the new content upgrade for FREE, or doing a system restore or just following CCP's advice.
Id like to thank CCP for a very good implemenatation on the new content, and that it was infact 4 hours early which was good for us europeans. Congratulations.
If its that simple how come you havent fixed it yet ?
Il do it when i next need to reboot. It isnt a necessity to drop everything and do it right away.
Your scared to reboot just like all of us :p
If you hava a non blank boot.ini in your c: root then you are safe, if you don have and use XP you are not safe, and solve it before rebooting. Its simple as 1+1. Don know why people make this into a mythical magical issue.
Well my PC turned on fine this morning so i dont know if its even as issue. Im following CCP and Microsfts recommendations thats all. Just because im not having a panic attack doesnt meen i dont know what im doing.
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:20:00 -
[789]
Edited by: 45thTiger 002 on 06/12/2007 15:24:03
Well the issue is worse for me.
1. I took two days off from work so I could go fishing. (Mon/Tue)
2. Went to work since EVE was down (Wed)
3. Took today off so I could enjoy super EVE (Thur)
4. Can't go to work tomorrow (today) now cause it is safer to leave my laptop running and work from home (Can't loose any more $99 p/h and I hate booting from CD!)
So you know it can be fixed but there is more too it than that.
And the fact is each boot.ini has the potential to be different.
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BanshuVanDeng
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:20:00 -
[790]
I'm running OSX with bootcamp...did of course reboot :( I manually replaced the boot.ini through OSX but still get the .dll error, now what? I dont have a recovery disc and I somehow doubt its going to work on my Macbookpro - any ideas?
Of course I want the better graphics, yet I can still play in OSX. The major problem I have is that my windows installation is completely not usable right now and to be honest I'm a little ****ed about this.
Anyone able to help me on this?
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:21:00 -
[791]
Is the ******* dn safe so i can re dn and see what other crap happens to my system. can someone from ccp ******* answer this?
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Stellar Guardian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:22:00 -
[792]
Edited by: Slayter Gatlin on 06/12/2007 15:20:01
For those that have rebooted their PCs and are now not able to load to windows, this is very easy to fix. You will need to create a recovery disk on a floppy. If you have access to another PC with the same OS as yours It will require you to copy some system files onto your floppy and to then boot into MSDOS on your pc.
You Will need 2 floppy disks:
1 for booting into MSDOS
1 containing your system files.
You can get a floppy disk for booting into MSDOS here: http://www.bootdisk.com
Once youve made your DOS disk now you're ready to start copying files in dos back into your C: Root.
A standard recovery floppy contains the following files:
-boot.ini
-IO.sys
-MSDOS.sys
-NTDETECT.com
-ntldr
These files should be located in root of C: so C:/boot.ini ect. You will have to turn on show hidden files in view options.
After having copied these files to a floppy you now have a recovery disk ready to go.
Insert the DOS disk and start your PC.
Once you are at the command prompt, eject the DOS disk and insert your recovery disk and then type the following in the command prompt:
cd a:
<press enter>
attrib -s -h -a
<press enter>
xcopy a: c:
Alternative method.
1. Open Notepad
2. Copy the following into notepad:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect
3. save the file as "boot.ini" make sure its with the .ini extension
4. copy boot.ini to your recovery disk
5. back in DOS copy the boot.ini to your root C by the following command:
cd a:
<press enter>
attrib -s -h -a
<press enter>
copy a:/boot.ini c:
<press enter>
6. eject recovery disk, and press control+alt+delete
7. Welcome back to windows.
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zeluk
Caldari
Shades Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:22:00 -
[793]
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
Well the issue is worse for me.
1. I took two days off from work so I could go fishing. (Mon/Tue)
2. Went to work since EVE was down (Wed)
3. Took today off so I could enjoy super EVE (Thur)
4. Can't go to work tomorrow (today) now cause it is safer to leave my laptop running and work from home (Can't loose any more $99 p/h and I hate booting from CD!)
So you know it can be fixed but there is more too it than that.
But if you just follow Microsfts advice (see page 1) it will be fine? Im sure there is "more to it than that" for alot of people.
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VInanath Diesel
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:23:00 -
[794]
Ok, let me begin by saying I am a computer moron. So no flames please. Exactly what will not having the boot.ini file do to my pc? I'm running xp and I did upgrade from classic to premium and i did dl before 4 gmt and I did reboot and I do not have this file in my root drive. I did check the view settings on the folder and it is displaying system files...no boot.ini.
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Kor Tramelien
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:23:00 -
[795]
Well i crashed in game last night and guess what yep rebooted have had to do a full destructive re-install.........had no idea it was Eve at the time until i manged to check forums this morning after re-install................oh well Eve is worth it i guess.
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Seeker Logos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:23:00 -
[796]
My computer booted up fine. I downloaded the premium patch while ingame last night. I turned off my computer last night. As I said my computer started up well this morning, but I have no boot.ini file. There is a crapload of info out there and I dont know what to do. I have Wnidows XP. What advice should I follow to make thius right? Thanks.
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Imperial Severian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:24:00 -
[797]
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
people are expressing opinions and venting. You insulting users with your "stupid" remark isn't adding positively to the discussion either - quotes or no quotes, insulting paying players is not your place, nor that of CCP - and I note that their instructions on how to rectify the problem are neither condescending nor defensive - please take a leaf from their book.
Messing with the boot.ini is something that the updater should NEVER have done in the first place. I am really concerned about quality control, and/or the arrogance of ANY software company that thinks it has rights to go messing with areas of my computers operating systems it has no business messing with (it would be disastrous on my macbook with bootcamp, as I don't have a clue what funky stuff is in the boot.ini there) - it doesn't matter if it's M$ or Symantec, or Sun - when you accept a EULA, you should read it - but nowhere does it say that CCP has the rights to monkey around with areas of the operating system and it's core ability to boot from disk - nor is it implied. Blanket statements about using the problem at your own risk ARE NOT going to prevent someone who either is a good lawyer, or have close access to one from suing if they feel sufficiently put out and that the upshot of a law suit is greater than the cost. Blatant abuse of an operating system would NOT stand up in my experience, as it is clear that there is expectation to be messing with the computer at that level.
Yes, it's a great game I've played for years, and I've referred literally THOUSANDS of customers to CCP as an affiliate - but any company can ruin it's potential with a mess up this big... you and everyone with half a brain realises that many people could NOT restore their own machine without help if the boot.ini is removed - and it's a MAJOR SCR#W UP to have touched the file in the first place.
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:24:00 -
[798]
I've just fixed my own computer, so am not going to risk messing it up by re-doing the fix, but maybe someone would be kind enough to take photos of each stage, so the less technically minded can see exactly what they should have on screen at each step...
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Shardiss
JCI Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:25:00 -
[799]
ATTENTION CCP Q/C:
Please check to ensure the following line of code does not appear in future patches:
Quote:
format c:\
Thank you.
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xOm3gAx
Caldari
Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:25:00 -
[800]
Originally by: wolfgarrr
Edited by: wolfgarrr on 06/12/2007 08:04:29
Ok A lot of this is really good info guys BUT
It is totally useless to the person who
1. Already shutdown their computer
2. Doesn't read the forums (See #1)
3. Is a average computer user (See #1-2)
^^ these 3 reasons will cause many many people to wake up tomorrow boot up their computers and not be able to. They will then go WTF?? And some will have family/friends who are computer savvy who will come fix their computers for them
There is also a large group who will take their computers down to a shop to have it fixed.
How this was allowed to happen is beyond me, While i am not advocating CCP Do a mass reimbursement , Explanations and apologies for this huge screwup is something they better do.
Chalk up another black mark CCP ..
Edit.. BTW.. How is a noob suposed to fix their computer etc if they cant even boot their system :P (Basicaly my point of this post)
insert windows cd repair windows installation. =) or use the recovery colsole if ur savvy
Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Erlork
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:26:00 -
[801]
The boot.ini file is a hidden file that is used to identify in what folder on which partition and on which hard drive Windows XP is located. Boot.ini can become damaged, corrupted or deleted for a number of reasons and is usually brought to your attention by an error message.
Follow these easy steps to repair the damaged/corrupted boot.ini file or replace it if it has been deleted.
Difficulty: Easy
Time Required: Repairing or replacing the boot.ini file usually takes less than 10 minutes
Here's How:
1. boot up your windows xp disc
Enter Windows XP Recovery Console. The Recovery Console is an advanced diagnostic mode of Windows XP with special tools that will allow you to restore the boot.ini file.
2.
When you reach the command prompt (detailed in Step 6 in the link above), type the following command and then press Enter.
bootcfg /rebuild
3.
The bootcfg utility will scan your hard drives for any Windows XP installations and then display the results. Follow the remaining steps to add your Windows XP installation to the boot.ini file.
4.
The first prompt asks Add installation to boot list? (Yes/No/All).
Type Y in response to this question and press Enter.
5.
The next prompt asks you to Enter Load Identifier:.
This is the name of the operating system. For example, type Windows XP Professional or Windows XP Home Edition and press Enter.
6.
The final prompt asks you to Enter OS Load options:.
Type /Fastdetect here and press Enter.
7.
Take out the Windows XP CD, type exit and then press Enter to restart your PC.
Assuming that a missing or corrupt boot.ini file was your only issue, Windows XP should now start normally.
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deanmrd
Cskillzone
DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:26:00 -
[802]
here mayby the fix for the boot.ini file being missing
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184
hope this works
Thks
Deanmrd
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:27:00 -
[803]
Originally by: Imperial Severian
Messing with the boot.ini is something that the updater should NEVER have done in the first place. I am really concerned about quality control, and/or the arrogance of ANY software company that thinks it has rights to go messing with areas of my computers operating systems it has no business messing with
EVE has its own file called "boot.ini", which is what was intended to be deleted, but someone screwed up the path. So, the issue is that it shouldn't have had a boot.ini file (incase this happened), and the incorrect path should never have got through QA.
The patcher was fairly clearly not intended to touch system files.
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Ruri Dant
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:27:00 -
[804]
Ok now computer reboots, god knows what changes have happened, i am now on the phone with my computer expert back home (who casually happens to be also my lawyer), and i have been explaining what happened to her. (hysteria 100/100)
After an initial hysteria on my side i realized that i had already rebooted my computer twice. once on a crash, and then when i went to sleep. so i had the fair chance of being able to reboot again. (hysteria 100 minus 10)
I found i could not recreate a boot.ini following this guide (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=reply&threadID=651679) because in cmd (the dos prompt) when i write bootcfg /list or bootcfg /rebuild it says that : "bootcfg" is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
when she tells me this is not possible and that it is a very unusual answer i have 2 results, 1 hysteria +50 (bringing it up to 140%) result 2 i have a hole in my wall and now typing with a bloody hand makes a bit uncomfortable.
after a while and some cognac and something else i called again and we solved it like this:
downloaded the boot.ini provided at this link http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini and inserted it in C:\ then opened msconfig and followed the instructions
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
once i hit apply the computer tells me i am not the administrator and i need to reboot, i did that and when rebooted system config tools was in diagnostic, i ticked the box that says stop diagnosticating and **** off and now i can reboot as normal,
computer looks fine as it was before yesterday. (hysteria -80, still 70%)
when asked, hey do you have boot.cfg now too? i look for it in windows\system32 but it aint there, also the commands do not work in dos prompt.
now this hasnt affected me much yet, computer starts and shuts down, but WHY have IMPORTANT things been deleted from my hard drive? is trinity some virus like thing?
However now that have not lost any work data i had i feel safer, now backing up the latest things (should have done it prepatch i know)
It was mentioned in the process that you can write what you want in a contract, call it as you want and do what you want with it, but to put it very simply some things are NOT legally binding, a signed contract can be modified or some details eliminated in a court if unlawful, i will have more information on this particular legal aspect shortly as the associates of my friends have maybe more important things to do atm.
Anyway the conclusion is this,
my computer now is missing boot.cfg and i have no idea how to replace it (no i dont have windows disk).
my computer tells me i'm not the administrator but there is only one profile active, mine (administrator).
for now i'm afraid of opening EvE or playing with it, i'll wait till someone tells me its safe again.
now slightly tipsy i think that CCP has made a mistake but it is doing it's best effort to sort things out(are you guys still awake from yesterday? o.O), lots of answers on the post and if you read the things step by step (hoping u have boot.cfg stil) you should be able to restore everything easy and quick
I blame one thing MICROSOFT that is all.
I'm going to the pub.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:27:00 -
[805]
raised to 19.95 a month too geting sick of this bs and today was the biggest disrespect you can do to a customer. and can some ******* ccp answer a simple ******* question is the dn safe for the premium or is that too ******* much to ask.
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Lledo Nayrb
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:33:00 -
[806]
The easiest way to see if you lost your boot.ini file is to, open run in the start tab. type in "msconfig" and then it will bringup a menu. It should have tabs like this. General, system.ini, win.ini, boot.ini, services, and startup. If you do not have the boot.ini tab, than you lost your boot.ini file. Then just follow the boot.ini.backup file instructions to retrieve a copy, and put it into your C:\ folder. Works like magic. Goodluck all.
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The Beekeeper
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:33:00 -
[807]
I'm not going to trawl my way through 32 pages.. I'm lazy like that.
But I wonder if any attention was paid to this guy who mentioned the boot.ini problem 3 days ago... http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
A last minute bug.. can be overlooked as just plain sloppy work.. but previously reported on forum multiple days beforehand? Not looking too good is it
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Imperial Severian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:33:00 -
[808]
Edited by: Imperial Severian on 06/12/2007 15:35:58
Originally by: Malixu
Originally by: Imperial Severian
Messing with the boot.ini is something that the updater should NEVER have done in the first place. I am really concerned about quality control, and/or the arrogance of ANY software company that thinks it has rights to go messing with areas of my computers operating systems it has no business messing with
EVE has its own file called "boot.ini", which is what was intended to be deleted, but someone screwed up the path. So, the issue is that it shouldn't have had a boot.ini file (incase this happened), and the incorrect path should never have got through QA.
The patcher was fairly clearly not intended to touch system files.
which is EXACTLY why is't a good idea to not use the SAME NAMES AS CRITICAL SYSTEM FILES. Silly typos and path errors that cause significant pain would have been avoided if the file were named boot_ccp.ini or boot_eve.ini - don't you think?
The reliance on variables in paths which can remain or become unset ie, %EVEDIR%/boot.ini - oops forgot to set that and removed the critical system file - what a BASIC MISTAKE!!!!
It's something fairly basic in software development - for instance, in my company's development guidelines we EXPLICITLY list a large number of filenames which are OFF-LIMITS - and explain the reasons, plus leave it open for interpretation that other filenames are NOT to used - ie, hosts under *nix - folder names are the same - no use of init.d, rc.d etc, etc, etc.
Vast quantities of intelligence are laid waste for lack of a modicum of common sense.
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Shodo Deka
M. Corp
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:33:00 -
[809]
Originally by: VInanath Diesel
Ok, let me begin by saying I am a computer moron. So no flames please. Exactly what will not having the boot.ini file do to my pc? I'm running xp and I did upgrade from classic to premium and i did dl before 4 gmt and I did reboot and I do not have this file in my root drive. I did check the view settings on the folder and it is displaying system files...no boot.ini.
If you have already rebooted your machine (and windows started up ok) then you don't have a problem.
But if the file is gone (perform step 1 in op) then it might be a good idea to restore it even if you computer starts up normally.
The thing about the file is that it is not needed on all installations of xp, only under certain situations. So you might just be one of the lucky ones.
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Manic PatternHoax
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:34:00 -
[810]
Based on the symptoms, my home machine was most likely affected. I have to wait until I get home and hope I can get a hold of my wife to make sure she doesn't reboot the machine.
What total and utter incompetence. Shame on you CCP. I have no expectation that you will offer any reimbursement for this **** up. Why ruin your perfect track record of ****ting on your customers every chance you get? |
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:34:00 -
[811]
Originally by: Simoniel
Edited by: Simoniel on 06/12/2007 15:31:52
Guyz stop whining so freekin much. First if u installed the game on your system drive its your fking fault u dont know how to do with your system resources, second if u dont know what the boot.ini is just buy yourself a xbox or playstation cause computers arent for u aparently. Third if your pc have so much ''imoportant'' date wtf u dont make ghosts or backups of your HDDs, either way its your fault.
Start learning how computers really work and stop freeking whining. Everybody forgets that this patch isnt a standard patch but a almost a whole new game code, wtf u had to install it the second it came out instead to wait a few hours to really see if there are any problems. CCP u have my thanks for the work u have done and keep it up, just forget what all this compnoobs are whining instead of making themselves to learn how to really use their machined instead of just clicking YES:)
I ran multiple partitions in the early days, never had a prob with one big partition till now, lots of people like to play games, not be computer gurus.
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Lemurianus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:34:00 -
[812]
Originally by: Lemurianus
Originally by: Lemurianus
Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 15:12:33
Originally by: Lemurianus
Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 14:51:26
Well, my boot ini looks fine, the boot.ini contents are equal to those written in this thread... But I found a problem I didnt have before this patch. Yes, I updated eve client before 4am. Its just that, now, when I insert a cd on my dvd-rom drive, it plays for a few seconds and then PC crashes, doesnt reboot, just crashes. Tried to do the same procedure four time, all the same. Was playing an avi file (one of the ones downloaded from this site), opened it on Windows Media Player and also on BSPlayer. Both made the PC crash.
Any ideas on how to solve this problem?
P.S.- its not the optical drive at all. Just crashed again without any particular reason.
Is there any other way to bump this? Has anyone complained about the same issue before?
Uninstalled eve, downloaded new full build (new graphics one). So far everything seems to be ok. Lets see...
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:35:00 -
[813]
Originally by: B1ack P1ague
ok iv done all u have asked eccept wen i run the "msconfig" it has a system.ini, win.ini but no boot.ini tab. wat do i do?
first thing u do is ask why is this now 19.95 a month if i wanted to wreck my own computer i could do it for free. then ask your self is it safe to dn?
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Oreth Te
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:35:00 -
[814]
I am running XPPro SVpk2 on sata drives mirror raided, confirmed boot.ini file is missing. The pc boots fine ,which is odd M/soft os are not usually that forgiving, and tested pretty much most functions and it seems stable however as a precaution I reapplied a backup copy. So you lot out there who are complaining at CCP, give it a rest. Its always up to you to keep backups of your important data/system files. No software is ever 100% perfect, If you cannot maintain such simple precautions you deserve all you get.
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WinglessAngelX
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:35:00 -
[815]
All I can say is... after being pulled through the mud for 2 months on a petition that should have ended my way... only to wake up to a computer that will not turn on, I am ****ed! What reason would ANY game have of looking at/editing/ or otherwise the BOOT.ini file. Now Im going to be paranoid about everything I install. Hell next time it might just wipe the damn hard drive. The fixes mentioned do work, but its still a huge hassle and everyone may have different boot.ini's if you multi boot. I was about to reformat and loose a lot of my stable system setup. Thank god I had bluesnews to tell me about this. CCP should send out an email to all accounts with this.
Forshame CCP we should get some sort of reimbursement for this...
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Ubernathe Alundi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:36:00 -
[816]
simoniel stfu mate, not everyone is a comp wiz, ppl just wanna play a game not sit in a class and leanr how their pc works, common knowledge to u is not to the most of computer users out their to shut up
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Ferkimer Burns
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:36:00 -
[817]
Karma for nerfing my carrier. Can't imagine what will happen when you guys nerf the fighters too. (smile)
But, seriously, good luck to all the guys at CCP. You've got a great product. Thanks for all you do.
And to all you noobs out there: Never install applications to your system partition. It's just not a smart thing to do.
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Ruri Dant
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:36:00 -
[818]
Originally by: Simoniel
Edited by: Simoniel on 06/12/2007 15:31:52
Guyz stop whining so freekin much. First if u installed the game on your system drive its your fking fault u dont know how to do with your system resources, second if u dont know what the boot.ini is just buy yourself a xbox or playstation cause computers arent for u aparently. Third if your pc have so much ''imoportant'' date wtf u dont make ghosts or backups of your HDDs, either way its your fault.
Start learning how computers really work and stop freeking whining. Everybody forgets that this patch isnt a standard patch but a almost a whole new game code, wtf u had to install it the second it came out instead to wait a few hours to really see if there are any problems. CCP u have my thanks for the work u have done and keep it up, just forget what all this compnoobs are whining instead of making themselves to learn how to really use their machined instead of just clicking YES:)
yeah thats right all use Autocad on ps3! excellent suggestion! i have already enough trouble learning how the expensive programs i use for work function
lets say u buy a car and your pants disappear, regardless of the fact that in car mechanics knowledge you might have 0 i think any genius like you might understand that the purchase of the car should have left you with the pants on.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:36:00 -
[819]
Originally by: FHPhantom
Originally by: B1ack P1ague
ok iv done all u have asked eccept wen i run the "msconfig" it has a system.ini, win.ini but no boot.ini tab. wat do i do?
first thing u do is ask why is this now 19.95 a month if i wanted to wreck my own computer i could do it for free. then ask your self is it safe to dn?
then ask is the media aware of this or if we were hacked interpol as well?
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:37:00 -
[820]
Strangely enough, I upgraded my client via the patcher from WinXP SP2 within that window and my boot.ini is fine. The only thing I can possibly think of is if perhaps it was not effected because I dual boot Vista and there are non-standard entries in the boot.ini file? The only discrepancy I can really think of. Technically it shouldn't matter, but who knows.
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Kuristafaa
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:43:00 -
[821]
Woke, up, booted my system. Everything seemed fine.
I read the notice on the EVE loader page and checked my system and discovered no boot.ini file. There is a backup boot.ini file, in my system folder, though (don't know if that matters).
My questions are:
1. Since my computer booted do I have nothing to worry about?
2. If not, is it okay if I copy the boot.ini backup file and place it on the C: drive? The date on the backup file is December 2006.. don't know if that matters.
Chris
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Antar Logan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:43:00 -
[822]
Well heres my take on the situation.
1) The person responsible for deployment of this should be shot, in public.
2) Every person on eve in school should be given a 1 year subscription for free.
3 ) The person responsible for making code to do anything outside of the CCP folders should be shot, in public.
4) The shootings are necessary because CCP has done irreparable harm to students out there and their parents are going to take it out on them.
I find it hard to beleave this has happened, CCP has really screwed up this time, This will cost CCP, bigtime, I for one will be considering leaving the game for good. This is for the following reasons.
1) Solidarity towards the population that cannot recover from this (and they represent a very large group +40%)
2) The cost to CCP will effect the quality of the game, CCP may never recover.
3) If CCP decides to do nothing for the affected, They don't deserve my business.
Not good CCP, Not good at all, You have very possibly killed the game.
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Super spikinator
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:44:00 -
[823]
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=8 has the advice you need to make a new boot.ini in easy language.
I would like to say thankyou to CCP and the community (the part thats helping) for the advice you have given.
the good news is (if I'm reading this right) is that you don't need to worry about this happening next patch since the idea of this upgrade was to remove the one from the eve folder. hence since its been removed (the wrong way but has been removed) you never need to worry about this sort of !@#$up again.
For those who are leaving the game can I have your stuff? I'm poor in eve since I play this for kicks and would like faction ships and equipment or your isk. serious though plenty of people have posted helpful advice and while venting your frustration is healthy there are some people on this thread who are starting to look like their trolling it to keep the hate up.
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Fade Dren
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:44:00 -
[824]
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
The fix for this is simple stop acting the drama queen and take 5 minutes to repair it.
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FHPhantom
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:44:00 -
[825]
[size=24]Can someone fuccccccccccccccccing tell me if its safe to reinstall cause if not and my pc gets ****** up agn there will be a ****ttttttttt storm[/size]
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DETURK
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:44:00 -
[826]
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Originally by: DETURK
Okay as I shutdown my computer ever night. I can't even get into windows. Gives me this error;
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thank You
I would urge you to read this.
Atropos,
Thank You very much for the fast response. I'm back up and running. Great Graphics!!
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:44:00 -
[827]
Originally by: Antar Logan
roflcopter
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WinglessAngelX
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:44:00 -
[828]
I don't think you all understand. MANY people here will either think their computer is just broken due to some other reason and reformat/get it repaired. Many will not run across a story on a gaming site where EvE is the culprate and see how to fix it. This is a serious issue and when people do spend money or time and loose their personal files they will be super-ultra-mega-****ed
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B1ack P1ague
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:45:00 -
[829]
i have no boot.ini tab in msconfig wat do i do? iv already downloaded the file changed its name and moved to root diretory!!! wat do i do?
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zeluk
Caldari
Shades Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:45:00 -
[830]
Originally by: Ruri Dant
Originally by: uaz
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
i am not a tech and following the instructions .. i dont find the boot.ini tab. there isnt.
any help ?
yes that happened to me also, it was easily solved by checking i had the correct boot.ini (xp version downloaded from http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini) in C:\ root directory , once i checked it was there i restarted the msconfig tool and it was there the long awaited boot tab :-)
Anyway the expansion would have been MAJESTIC if it were not for this ****up that hopefully will be forgetted soon enough
superb fix thanks. And i still believe the expansion has been majestic.
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:46:00 -
[831]
A Big Congratulations to CCP for not screwing up the actual game but instead screwing up the OS instead.
All Hail for the Clowns that thought money instead of testing.
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Diana Trader
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:46:00 -
[832]
Boot.ini for windows XP Pro 64 bit.
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional x64 Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
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Ruri Dant
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:46:00 -
[833]
and please CCP or ISD start deleting all the unrelated "i have no sympathy for computer noobs" "ha they installed on system partition" i aggravates a lot having to read the smack made by people who are computer geeks and nothing else, i may not know nothin much about windows but i at least get laid!
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zeluk
Caldari
Shades Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:46:00 -
[834]
Originally by: Antar Logan
Well heres my take on the situation.
1) The person responsible for deployment of this should be shot, in public.
2) Every person on eve in school should be given a 1 year subscription for free.
3 ) The person responsible for making code to do anything outside of the CCP folders should be shot, in public.
4) The shootings are necessary because CCP has done irreparable harm to students out there and their parents are going to take it out on them.
I find it hard to beleave this has happened, CCP has really screwed up this time, This will cost CCP, bigtime, I for one will be considering leaving the game for good. This is for the following reasons.
1) Solidarity towards the population that cannot recover from this (and they represent a very large group +40%)
2) The cost to CCP will effect the quality of the game, CCP may never recover.
3) If CCP decides to do nothing for the affected, They don't deserve my business.
Not good CCP, Not good at all, You have very possibly killed the game.
cya
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:47:00 -
[835]
Originally by: WinglessAngelX
I don't think you all understand. MANY people here will either think their computer is just broken due to some other reason and reformat/get it repaired. Many will not run across a story on a gaming site where EvE is the culprate and see how to fix it. This is a serious issue and when people do spend money or time and loose their personal files they will be super-ultra-mega-****ed
And they will have no-one to blame but themselves. And there's a small army of people here ready and waiting to tell them that.
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:47:00 -
[836]
I must add to those seeking to sue CCP over this that there is NO EULA TO ACCEPT before proceeding with the installation of the offending patch, nor is there a "THIS SOFTWARE IS DISTRIBUTED AS IS IF IT KILLS YOUR PC ITS NOT OUR FAULT" disclaimer. I sense all kinds of shouting going on now at CCP's legal department for failing to cover their asses with even that...
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morefeeus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:48:00 -
[837]
XP sp2 here. I shutdown after installing the patches last night and this morning I got the boot.ini invalid message flash up just before the XP logo. System continued normally. I must admit I spent the next hour trying to find out wtf happened. Then I come to log on eve and find this post! I guess XP has a fallback to C: boot, which as my system is bog standard C:\windows this event was not really an issue. I've restored my C:\boot.ini and all is well.
Note to dev: check which damn directory you're in before tidying up installs! Especially if your using files like this one! I like stating the obvious... Apart from that, it looks great.
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Behedwin
RSP Enterprises
HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:52:00 -
[838]
Hi
I have eve installed on F: that is a partition of C:
C: have Windows
F: have EVE
Do i need to follow the steps to fix my computer before i reboot/restart?
Please answer this so i know
RSP Enterprises
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Tnam
Caldari
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:52:00 -
[839]
Originally by: Kronarty
I must add to those seeking to sue CCP over this that there is NO EULA TO ACCEPT before proceeding with the installation of the offending patch, nor is there a "THIS SOFTWARE IS DISTRIBUTED AS IS IF IT KILLS YOUR PC ITS NOT OUR FAULT" disclaimer. I sense all kinds of shouting going on now at CCP's legal department for failing to cover their asses with even that...
And even if there was it wouldn't mean anything, because either way you would look like a sausage saying "please mr judge make this company give me money because they made a game that broke my computer", either way I'm sure there's some sad lawyer out there that'll be willing to chase it :D
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Sanpaku Deska
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:52:00 -
[840]
I think it's time to focus on what's important NOW. At this time, I don't care how this happened, who's to blame, why QA missed this, why CCP was even using the name of a critical OS file..... none of it. There will be a time later for all that. Right now people are down and that seems to be the most crucial matter.
So.. some points I consider crucial, in no particular order:
1. If you're reading this you're far more computer literate than most of the world's population (even if this seems elementary to you). Be advised you WILL be asked to help others. Bet on it.
2. Do NOT assume that anyone has the original CD's. In the US at least (and I think everywhere) the practice of giving out the real CD's was on the decline. Reason: On a mass license, how do you know which one's which? Also -- OEM companies (Sony, Dell, others) have set up strang and bizarre strategies that, even with the disks, will not necessarily fix things. Plan on doing this either by hand of via Windows REcovery versions that do not require the original disks or CD booting.
3. Please spare me and the rest of the world (including CCP at least for now) any recriminations for anything. FIx the problem; not the blame.
4. Be advised that WIndows NT does not come with MSCONFIG. It has to be downloaded and it has to be the right version.
5. If you can work this by copying from another VERY similar machine, do it. USB Memory sticks are good for this. It's better than any documentation you're likeky to see here, in that so many OEM's are now doing it their own way.
6. On all Windows systems back to DOS 6.0, the ATTRIB command has been and is perhaps the best way of safely looking at hidden and system files. Use it at least to look, and perhaps to makwe BOOT.INI both visible and (temporarily non-system -- can't set the HIDDEN switch when SYSTEM switch is on). If all this is Greek to you, go to the DOS window (RUN then CMD or COMMAND to get it)and do this:
C:
CD \
ATTRIB
This will show you all the hidden files in the root directory without changing them.
ATTRIB uses the following switches:
R - Read Only
A - Archive (to show if the file has changed)
S - System
H - Hidden
All of these are typically set for BOOT.INI Turning them off works like this:
ATTRIB BOOT.INI -R -A -S -H
Likewise, turning them on is....
ATTRIB BOOT.INI +R +A +S +H
There is no operational reason to leave this file Hidden -- leave it visible.
Hope this helps -- Later, we'll talk.
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Gamtu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:53:00 -
[841]
OK.. I did not see this warning. I'm running windows xp pro. After the update and a full shutdown and restart of my computer, my windows root\system32\hal.dll file was missing and my computer would not load windows. I have had to reformat my hardrive! I've lost a ton of time and files! I've been banging my head against the wall trying to figure out what horrible thing has gone wrong with my brand new computer!! I'm not happy... NOT HAPPY AT ALL CCP!!!!!
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SG Felcoree
Caldari
Globaltech Industries
Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:53:00 -
[842]
Originally by: Imperial Severian
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
people are expressing opinions and venting. You insulting users with your "stupid" remark isn't adding positively to the discussion either - quotes or no quotes, insulting paying players is not your place, nor that of CCP - and I note that their instructions on how to rectify the problem are neither condescending nor defensive - please take a leaf from their book.
Messing with the boot.ini is something that the updater should NEVER have done in the first place. I am really concerned about quality control, and/or the arrogance of ANY software company that thinks it has rights to go messing with areas of my computers operating systems it has no business messing with (it would be disastrous on my macbook with bootcamp, as I don't have a clue what funky stuff is in the boot.ini there) - it doesn't matter if it's M$ or Symantec, or Sun - when you accept a EULA, you should read it - but nowhere does it say that CCP has the rights to monkey around with areas of the operating system and it's core ability to boot from disk - nor is it implied. Blanket statements about using the problem at your own risk ARE NOT going to prevent someone who either is a good lawyer, or have close access to one from suing if they feel sufficiently put out and that the upshot of a law suit is greater than the cost. Blatant abuse of an operating system would NOT stand up in my experience, as it is clear that there is expectation to be messing with the computer at that level.
Yes, it's a great game I've played for years, and I've referred literally THOUSANDS of customers to CCP as an affiliate - but any company can ruin it's potential with a mess up this big... you and everyone with half a brain realises that many people could NOT restore their own machine without help if the boot.ini is removed - and it's a MAJOR SCR#W UP to have touched the file in the first place.
I agree with you on this matter
I am a technician for over 13 years and a heavy gamer for over 28 years since the commodore 64.
This is the worst blunder I have seen since SWG messed with their game. But when you mess with OS files that is far worse
I have helped fix two of my corp. mateÆs boot.ini files.
One of my members has already brought it to get fixed for he did not know :(
60 dollars later (if he live in my country I would have done it free) thus coming to my last point what a bought the players that have to get it fixed because no know knowing their computer screwed up by CCP. And will have to suck up the cost to this Blanket clause in their user agreement dose not fly with me or with other players.
I hope CCP can make mends with the menny upset clients caused from this blunder
I would hate to see a great game fall.
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Snuggles theTerrible
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:53:00 -
[843]
I don't want drama it's 17:50 , is it safe to do the upgrade ? CCP RESPOND ! :D:D
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P0etank
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:54:00 -
[844]
ok i have windows sp2 2 harddrives games are installed on C: and yes i know how dumb i am for doing this now. i have a invalid boot.ini file during start up. i still load up the same way except the part where it says invalid boot.ini i see my desktop and everything still works still can play eve and all my other **** noting seems rong
on a side note i dont have my windows install disk
am i screwed?
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:55:00 -
[845]
Originally by: Behedwin
I have eve installed on F: that is a partition of C:
C: have Windows
F: have EVE
Do i need to follow the steps to fix my computer before i reboot/restart?
Please answer this so i know
You should be ok.
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:55:00 -
[846]
Originally by: Ailean Caldaire
Originally by: Malixu
EVE has its own file called "boot.ini", which is what was intended to be deleted, but someone screwed up the path. So, the issue is that it shouldn't have had a boot.ini file (incase this happened), and the incorrect path should never have got through QA.
The patcher was fairly clearly not intended to touch system files.
It is still arrogance and bad programming to name a file "boot.ini". Any windows programmer worth their snuff knows not to name any of their files after system files, just to prevent issues like this from EVER arising. I don't care what the patcher's intended function was, I care about what it's function was. How many people have been affected by this issue? Not sure we'll ever know, but I'll venture a guess that it was many. This is something that never should have happened and CCP is directly to blame.
That's what I meant by "it shouldn't have had a boot.ini file", I was just pointing out that it wasn't intended to mess around with critical files. Not that it really matters...
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Placeholder1
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:55:00 -
[847]
Edited by: Placeholder1 on 06/12/2007 15:55:42
Today is a great day to upgrade to MS Vista :D for those who can't boot, and btw yes I'm sure that does solve the problem
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Allen Miles
Caldari
The Miles Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:58:00 -
[848]
Originally by: Ruri Dant
Originally by: uaz
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
i am not a tech and following the instructions .. i dont find the boot.ini tab. there isnt.
any help ?
yes that happened to me also, it was easily solved by checking i had the correct boot.ini (xp version downloaded from http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini) in C:\ root directory , once i checked it was there i restarted the msconfig tool and it was there the long awaited boot tab :-)
Anyway the expansion would have been MAJESTIC if it were not for this ****up that hopefully will be forgetted soon enough
unfortunatly the community won't let this be forgotten. it will probably go down in history as the expansion that killed the computer. that's life though, ccp will survive.
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:59:00 -
[849]
Originally by: zeluk
Alot of you people are simply being "stupid".
Its none of your business if and who gets fired over this, as you arent part of their company. Read the EULA for starters and read about how it explains that you use the software at your own risk. Its the same with any piece of software or games you play.
As I said, it is the patch installation that can kill your system, and there is no EULA or disclaimer during installation. You can perfectly not accept the EULA and still have your system screwed by this.
Some people may consider it a joke, but if there are, say, 1000 affected people that will need to hire a technician to fix their PC, that is quite a few 100k bucks in damages, at the very least.
Score one for legal and QA departments alike.
BTW, before someone says I am bitter or something like that, I am not affected by this. I am merely ****ed at CCP for screwing up big time with this and if they get sued and have to compensate those affected, it will be perfectly fair imho.
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uaz
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:59:00 -
[850]
Originally by: zeluk
Originally by: Ruri Dant
Originally by: uaz
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
i am not a tech and following the instructions .. i dont find the boot.ini tab. there isnt.
any help ?
yes that happened to me also, it was easily solved by checking i had the correct boot.ini (xp version downloaded from http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini) in C:\ root directory , once i checked it was there i restarted the msconfig tool and it was there the long awaited boot tab :-)
Anyway the expansion would have been MAJESTIC if it were not for this ****up that hopefully will be forgetted soon enough
superb fix thanks. And i still believe the expansion has been majestic.
no way m8 it seems to not work. no boot ini tab here
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 15:59:00 -
[851]
Originally by: Placeholder1
Edited by: Placeholder1 on 06/12/2007 15:55:42
Today is a great day to upgrade to MS Vista :D
Lucky vista Owners with their 30% slower OS, ill stick with my Crappy 30% Faster XP. its a little sacrifice.
So any idea when we get to go to the public hanging of the Dev Team for this one.
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Bextor Narissis
Gallente
Foundation
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:00:00 -
[852]
Well it's great that Vista Users are not effected. However I just have to ask..."Why aren't vista users being effected" Do we use a different name to our bootfile or a different format not .ini? Just so we are all sleeping a little better I would like to know. Cause if I have learned one thing about using windows is that "there is always an exception to the rule" and it's usually for the worst.
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Industra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:01:00 -
[853]
My boot.ini was deleted due do the described issue.
The posted resolution is not working.
The linked reference to the Microsoft solution tells you to run a bootcfg scan in the Recovery Console, when I do this the program does not locate any Windows installations for me to choose, can someone help me with this?
I have 2 Hard Drives, I boot off of D and also have an E and F drive. These are the assigned letters inside of Windows but in the recovery console they are C and D. Windows will still boot up, after giving me a warning boot.ini has not been found it says it is booting from \Windows directory.
I'm leaving my computer turned on, but it has no boot.ini. I have seen people link boot.ini's for download but I am afraid that my uncommon (for the masses anyway) hard drive situation means installing this would be bad. |
Aziz Hekato
Vitai Lampada
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:01:00 -
[854]
Originally by: hydraSlav
You only get this problem when you've installed EvE on your C: drive
Who in the right state of mind runs games off the system partition anyways?
*waves hand*
I didnt even know about this boot.ini stuff, but I didnt get effected.
Im running W-XP Prof on a ATA-harddrive, turned my computer off after downloading the patch and turned it on this morning.
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JeanLuc Rome
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:01:00 -
[855]
Originally by: Sgt Zim
Edited by: Sgt Zim on 06/12/2007 15:56:19
EDIT........Oh and don't fire anyone thats just lame nonsense and looking for a scapegoat never solved anything - crap happens
This is a serious real-life problem buddy. In real-life what do you think your boss would do to you if you crash a entire network just because the name of a simple file. Common sense dictates that "there are" people who should look at this things and make sure it doesn't happen, specially a gross mistake like this one.
Norton did the same thing when they crashed over 100000 computers in China, it's not looking for a scapegoat, it's called "creating an example to make sure this doesn't happen again"
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Slayter Gatlin
Caldari
Nocturnal Moon Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:02:00 -
[856]
Deleting a boot.ini really is not that big of a problem. Sadly though there will be people that don't have knowledge of computer and will sadly go and spend money to get it fixed. Althought I can't see them paying anything more then 10 or 20 bucks labor as a problem like this would only take 10 mins to fix. In any case, my take on this occurence is simple:
This was a honest mistake made by CCP. I feel bad for CCP more then anyone else, I think alot of people here are blowing this whole thing out of proportion. Do I think CCP should find some way to reimburse its loyal and grateful players? Sure, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Would I expect them to? No. Programming is a very tedious and concrete practice. I've been in many programming classes and have learned that programming is certainly not for everybody. I can't tell you how many times I would write a program and if one punciation was off, one capital letter was off out of 3000 lines of code, the entire program wouldn't compile. Never the less, I do find it hard to believe that a programming flaw such as this would slip past QA. But thats beside the point, mistake do happen, and all it would take is the slightest overlook for it to slip past. From the posts of read on this thread, it sounds like CCP could seriously have dug themselves a gole as alot of people here seem very very unhappy. I for one am not at all unhappy, this kind of problem does not effect me like it does the many others. It was a simple problem for me to fix and I look forward to many more months and years of EVE enjoyment.
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Kara Nerevar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:03:00 -
[857]
Originally by: Tiberius Xavier
- Start notepad (from accessories)
- Open the file C:\boot.ini
- If this file is not empty, then STOP!
- If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
- If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
- Save that as C:\boot.ini
- Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
- Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
- Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
I was concerned about RAID, however, I believe that the RAID driver is loaded prior to this BOOT.INI being read, and that the RAID array will be viewed as a logical device. I run RAID-0 Raptors, and this solution works for me.
If you don't know which version of windows you are running:
- Open the start menu
- Right-click My Computer
- Select Properties and the screen that comes should say in plain English.
If you don't know your partition, then best way to make sure you select the right drive in XP is to start diskmgmt.msc and see which partition is your 'C' drive.
- Type in diskmgmt.msc <enter>
- A new window titled 'Disk Management' and see which drive/partition it is under. Most likely, this is the first disk, first partition or multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) in MSFT speak. If it is the second partition, then put '2'. This is a 1 based count (perhaps because the MBR is 0?)
I found this info to be very useful. Its a good way to make sure that it works after fixing the BOOT.INI file.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:03:00 -
[858]
Originally by: Guru
Still no answer on answer on this.. what if my cd drives are not initializing even after changing the boot order?? I have no 3.5 floppy.. anyone?
Same problem. I think we're screwed tbh.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Final Requiem
Gallente
White Shadow Imperium
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:04:00 -
[859]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
something else to remember, if you have your computer set to hide known file extentions, do not name it "boot.ini" just name it "boot". spent 20 minutes trying to figure out why it wasnt working then relized it was because the file's actual name was "boot.ini.ini"
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"In the name of God, impure souls of the living deal shall be banished into eternal damnation. AMEN." |
B1ack P1ague
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:04:00 -
[860]
some1 plz help i have no boot.ini tab in my msconfig place and iv renamed and move the downloaded boot.ini file to the directory nd no matter wat i do i get nothing in msconfig!!!!!!
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Gamtu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:04:00 -
[861]
This is total BS! I will no longer trust you guys at ccp to change anything! I've trusted you fully to this point but you've caused me some serious problems.. I need to talk to someone over there. This serious.
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Three11
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:05:00 -
[862]
Originally by: Kendar Zek
Everyone can *rabble rabble* about this as much as they please, and throw stones at CCP, but knowing how simple it is to make a pathname error in few lines (or a single line) of code from having done it many times myself, I can only empathize with the dev team. I'm not saying that diminishes the consequences of the mistake, but I'm also not prepared to bite off CCP's collective head over the matter.
Get the word out to your fellow players. Let's be part of the solution rather than part of the problem. I'm sure there's enough frustration around the CCP office right now without us bludgeoning them with our forum clubs.
What kind of idiot DF programmer has a 'boot.ini' _anywhere_ in their install? It's not a path error; this kind of error is deliberate.
Thanks CCP for mucking up my computer. How about I take it to Best Buy, have the Geek Squad fix it for $300 and send your Alabama office the bill just for fun?
Or, how about you listen to your customers and give the carrier pilots the ability to transport ships with POS fuel in their cargo bays?
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Darin Ralten
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:05:00 -
[863]
I feel bad for people who write viruses and malware - they just got wtfpwned by a commercial company. This has to be one of the most successful viruses in history for fooling the computer and the user into accepting it.
Also - all this talk about the EULA - does that mean that if someone made a trojan or keylogger and when you installed it had you accept an EULA exempting them from legal harm - that they would be safe in court from litigation? People serving sentences/fees for cybercrimes are now wishing they too had an EULA.
Fortunately my dad is brining me over a set of XP discs so I can try to get this thing booted up
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Reoohki
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:05:00 -
[864]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
Thanks Mindstar that was a close one.
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:05:00 -
[865]
CCP can we get a transcript or video of the conversation with the programmers and their boss over this issue. im sure it will make very entertaining reading. maybe see if you can get something up on youtube.
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Tnam
Caldari
BGG
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:06:00 -
[866]
Originally by: B1ack P1ague
some1 plz help i have no boot.ini tab in my msconfig place and iv renamed and move the downloaded boot.ini file to the directory nd no matter wat i do i get nothing in msconfig!!!!!!
are you actually running windows xp?
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Greme
Amarr
Slacker Industries
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:07:00 -
[867]
Topic seems to have become unstickied........hmmm
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FroztByteUK
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:07:00 -
[868]
I know this is a stupid thing to ask....
Why on earth does the eve-online hdr graphics pack installer tamper with a component of windows' bootloader?
Have the wonderful people of CCP been hacked again?
Personally i'd like GM/DEV confirmation of why this happened, but if they decide to say "No Comment" it'll be accepted as the answer.
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Gamtu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:07:00 -
[869]
Originally by: Darin Ralten
I feel bad for people who write viruses and malware - they just got wtfpwned by a commercial company. This has to be one of the most successful viruses in history for fooling the computer and the user into accepting it.
Also - all this talk about the EULA - does that mean that if someone made a trojan or keylogger and when you installed it had you accept an EULA exempting them from legal harm - that they would be safe in court from litigation? People serving sentences/fees for cybercrimes are now wishing they too had an EULA.
Fortunately my dad is brining me over a set of XP discs so I can try to get this thing booted up
lol Thank you!! I needed that laugh.. I really really did.
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Zenst
Gallente
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:08:00 -
[870]
If anybody totaly stuck near Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey UK then let me know here and I'll do the knight in shinny armour thang. Though sadly most people who will need help wont have any working computer, so feel free to call CCP and they can let me know if i'm local as I'm more than happy to assist.
That said it appears Vista was good for something afterall :D.
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Angeltara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:08:00 -
[871]
Yea, folks, can we please stop with the CCP sux, and I'm going to sue discussions? Take it to another thread or something. Leave this channel for open discussion on how to fix the problem, especially for those of us not technically minded.
I downloaded the 24 meg patch last night, but could not use the approx. 600 meg file since I have a crappy video card. I logged off, shut my machine down and went to sleep. This morning everything cranked up just fine, however it does appear that my boot.ini is gone. Can someone provide a good working list on how to get this file? Can I really just copy one from another machine in the house thats running XP too?
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Deirdre Sky
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:08:00 -
[872]
The ONLY interesting question, right now, is why the boot.ini was buggered at all?! By default it is supposed to be protected. Read-only or something at the first place. Am I right?
And that "hall.dll" file which some ppl said they lost and now is missing. I think proper answer is required.
No time for spam ...
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Mattikus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:09:00 -
[873]
Yup...I'm so happy I got Vista with my new PC a few months ago.... :D On another note...as someone said earlier...its none of our business who gets fired or whatever at CCP for this...who cares....Dont you think they are already probably running around their offices screaming their heads of and pulling their hair out? This is the biggest expansion EVE has ever seen and its been blundered by this error....I'm sure they are absolutely hating themselves right now and feel like ****...so yeah...leave em alone for a minute and take your *****ing somewhere else.
This game owns, the graphics own, I love it and am gonna keep playing it. Thanks CCP for all your hardwork!
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:09:00 -
[874]
1. Yes, this is a major malechickenup.
2. Hanging someone by the balls will do no-one any good. Don't fire anyone over this.
3. Stop crying the sue-song if you live in the United Sue Alot, they are Icelandic.
Nice boot image fix if you have a floppydisk: http://1gighost.net/virginia/xpquick.exe
http://www.bootdisk.com/txtfiles/xpquick.txt
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:09:00 -
[875]
Edited by: Kharadran Sullath on 06/12/2007 16:09:37
"Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )"
I created a boot.ini file out of that one, removed all partition lines save for the first. Rebooted and it worked without any major problems. After that I edited the file so that the timeout was set to 1 instead of 30, and things have been running fine since.
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Originally by: Graveyard Tan
I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Gamtu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:09:00 -
[876]
Originally by: Zenst
If anybody totaly stuck near Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey UK then let me know here and I'll do the knight in shinny armour thang. Though sadly most people who will need help wont have any working computer, so feel free to call CCP and they can let me know if i'm local as I'm more than happy to assist.
That said it appears Vista was good for something afterall :D.
Call CCP??.. um what's their phone number please?
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McClan
Caldari
The Nightcrawlers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:09:00 -
[877]
If i had money i'd suite your Fing ass. What the f is a game doing messing around in those kinda files for..
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FroztByteUK
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:10:00 -
[878]
Originally by: Zenst
If anybody totaly stuck near Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey UK then let me know here and I'll do the knight in shinny armour thang. Though sadly most people who will need help wont have any working computer, so feel free to call CCP and they can let me know if i'm local as I'm more than happy to assist.
That said it appears Vista was good for something afterall :D.
Rofl.. i'd be doing the same for Hounslow in Middlesex if i didnt have flu. :)
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:10:00 -
[879]
Edited by: Kronarty on 06/12/2007 16:11:25
Originally by: Slayter Gatlin
Deleting a boot.ini really is not that big of a problem. Sadly though there will be people that don't have knowledge of computer and will sadly go and spend money to get it fixed. Althought I can't see them paying anything more then 10 or 20 bucks labor as a problem like this would only take 10 mins to fix. In any case, my take on this occurence is simple:
This was a honest mistake made by CCP. I feel bad for CCP more then anyone else, I think alot of people here are blowing this whole thing out of proportion. Do I think CCP should find some way to reimburse its loyal and grateful players? Sure, it wouldn't be a bad idea. Would I expect them to? No. Programming is a very tedious and concrete practice. I've been in many programming classes and have learned that programming is certainly not for everybody. I can't tell you how many times I would write a program and if one punciation was off, one capital letter was off out of 3000 lines of code, the entire program wouldn't compile. Never the less, I do find it hard to believe that a programming flaw such as this would slip past QA. But thats beside the point, mistake do happen, and all it would take is the slightest overlook for it to slip past. From the posts of read on this thread, it sounds like CCP could seriously have dug themselves a gole as alot of people here seem very very unhappy. I for one am not at all unhappy, this kind of problem does not effect me like it does the many others. It was a simple problem for me to fix and I look forward to many more months and years of EVE enjoyment.
I disagree with you, not because I think mistakes are impossible to make but because this is merely highlighting a big malpractice on the part of CCP, and that is not because of the typo, the malpractice here is to call a game file with the same name as such an important system file. THAT is where the malpractice lies.
Imagine you use a chainsaw to slice bread. You have been using it for ages and as you are very careful you have never hurt anyone. Now imagine you are slicing bread with it and a noise startles you and your arm involuntarily moves causing you to cut your wife's head with the bread-slicing chainsaw. The fault is not in the noise that startled you, or in being startled by the noise, or the involuntary arm motion, the fault lies in using a chainsaw to slice bread.
Substitute "the chainsaw" by "calling a game file like a system file" and "the noise" by "the typo".
PS: You will still go to jail for decapitating your wife.
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Magnus Inmatari
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:10:00 -
[880]
Upgrading to premium definitely removed my boot.ini file, but my computer started up fine this morning. I have created a new file and copy/pasted the sample boot.ini into it.
My question is this: why would my computer have started normally? I am grateful for small blessings, but it just has me worried that, with my new boot.ini in place, my computer will not start the next time.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
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Marius Damocles
Ninja Ratz
PURGE.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:12:00 -
[881]
thank god for ERD Commander
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:12:00 -
[882]
Originally by: Magnus Inmatari
Upgrading to premium definitely removed my boot.ini file, but my computer started up fine this morning. I have created a new file and copy/pasted the sample boot.ini into it.
My question is this: why would my computer have started normally? I am grateful for small blessings, but it just has me worried that, with my new boot.ini in place, my computer will not start the next time.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
Only people who installed premium before 4Am and are running XP are effected.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:12:00 -
[883]
ok...I have read over 10 pages and am lost....I downloaded and played last night...signed off ...turned off my puter..now I am like many...my puter is dead...worse part is...it will not bootup on the windows reinstallation disk..what now?
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Prijan Zhodane
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:13:00 -
[884]
BOY DID CCP BUGGER THIS UP!
I had to reformat and reinstall Windows - I "repaired" the boot.ini before rebooting, and had a m"missing hal.dll" afterwads, AND it scrambled my admin password (deleted more files, prolly) so no repair was possible
I'll be at least a week, probably MONTHS restoring my PC.
I WANT AT LEAST 3 MONTHS FREE GAMETIME OR I'VE BEEN _SCREWED_
Thanks for ruining Xmas, CCP :(
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Dirkraft vomAffen
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:13:00 -
[885]
My boot.ini is read-only. Unless you messed with it, it is that by default (I just reinstalled and updated XP x64 a few days ago). Did the bug somehow get around that read-only-ness? Or is it just people who have mucked with the file that turned off the read-only-ness? |
midge Mo'yb
R.U.S.T.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:13:00 -
[886]
Originally by: Magnus Inmatari
Upgrading to premium definitely removed my boot.ini file, but my computer started up fine this morning. I have created a new file and copy/pasted the sample boot.ini into it.
My question is this: why would my computer have started normally? I am grateful for small blessings, but it just has me worried that, with my new boot.ini in place, my computer will not start the next time.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
system restore?
or maybee a recent microsoft patch incase they fek it up? :p
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Davey 0aks
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:13:00 -
[887]
"The C:\boot.ini file can not be opened. Operating System and Timeout settings can not be changed"
is this ok ? :S i have no understanding of computers ...
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:13:00 -
[888]
Love the people posting in here about how/why this happened when its already been explained.
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:13:00 -
[889]
silly buggers
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Gamtu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:14:00 -
[890]
Originally by: Prijan Zhodane
BOY DID CCP BUGGER THIS UP!
I had to reformat and reinstall Windows - I "repaired" the boot.ini before rebooting, and had a m"missing hal.dll" afterwads, AND it scrambled my admin password (deleted more files, prolly) so no repair was possible
I'll be at least a week, probably MONTHS restoring my PC.
I WANT AT LEAST 3 MONTHS FREE GAMETIME OR I'VE BEEN _SCREWED_
Thanks for ruining Xmas, CCP :(
Same exact thing happened to me.. Same exact!
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midge Mo'yb
R.U.S.T.
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:14:00 -
[891]
Originally by: Prijan Zhodane
BOY DID CCP BUGGER THIS UP!
I had to reformat and reinstall Windows - I "repaired" the boot.ini before rebooting, and had a m"missing hal.dll" afterwads, AND it scrambled my admin password (deleted more files, prolly) so no repair was possible
I'll be at least a week, probably MONTHS restoring my PC.
I WANT AT LEAST 3 MONTHS FREE GAMETIME OR I'VE BEEN _SCREWED_
Thanks for ruining Xmas, CCP :(
get over yourself...
deleteing a boot.ini does nothing like what your whining about, was prolly your own botched attempted repairs...
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:14:00 -
[892]
Originally by: FroztByteUK
I know this is a stupid thing to ask....
Why on earth does the eve-online hdr graphics pack installer tamper with a component of windows' bootloader?
Have the wonderful people of CCP been hacked again?
Personally i'd like GM/DEV confirmation of why this happened, but if they decide to say "No Comment" it'll be accepted as the answer.
Pfft you worry too much...
Eve uses a text file named boot.ini as well completly unrelated to the boot.ini of WinXp, their installer basicly deleted it from your root instead from the Eve root. This would not have been an issue werent it for the fact that in that location there exists a boot.ini which tells your puter where your windows installation is located on your disk(s).
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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The first genesis
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:15:00 -
[893]
*Eve hits your PC's boot directory perfectly wrecking for omgwtfbbq damage*
Any idea how I can get my PC back up and running?
Have tried restoring but my PC says the boot sector is too corrupted.
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SunSzu
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:15:00 -
[894]
Edited by: SunSzu on 06/12/2007 16:15:08
Originally by: Apertotes
tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf
I have to say that I was hit with this before it was made public and thought it was my hard drive dying a slow death. To cut it short, I reinstalled Windows and was up all night. Yeah, I'm mad that it turned out to be EVE's fault and was probably easier to fix than a reinstallation, but I find the humor like this to be in good taste. Helps me feel better about my late night reinstalling Windoze. :P
-SunSzu
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Kairg
Caldari
Caldari State Operations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:15:00 -
[895]
So THAT'S what it was! I rebooted my machine and noticed a message saying my boot.ini file was missing. Thought I had a virus or something. It got deleted when I installed the Premium patch for the test server a few days ago.
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ICE Blade
Minmatar
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:15:00 -
[896]
Edited by: ICE Blade on 06/12/2007 16:16:17
Well I have updated windows xp pro, my boot.ini was missing.
However I download the premium update about 23:30 5th Dec, and changed my skills and turned my Pc off and went to bed. My PC was working fine in the morning, I replaced the boot.ini that was missing my PC is still working fine.
Whats the problem? Fail to see. I guess you guys thought the boot.ini in root of c was the same as that of eve. Well the devs should know its bad practice to name game files after systems files. Should have learned that in 101 Programming basics under the section filename naming conventions. I guess you just missed the path off in the installer and it defaulted to c:\ and affected the windows version.
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Alordin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:15:00 -
[897]
Originally by: Bextor Narissis
Well it's great that Vista Users are not effected. However I just have to ask..."Why aren't vista users being effected" Do we use a different name to our bootfile or a different format not .ini? Just so we are all sleeping a little better I would like to know. Cause if I have learned one thing about using windows is that "there is always an exception to the rule" and it's usually for the worst.
The reason for Vista not beeing affected is that Vista uses a new system for boot selection (bcd). There is no boot.ini on Vista to delete.
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TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:27:00 -
[898]
Edited by: TheDevilsJury on 06/12/2007 16:27:25
Originally by: Meridius Dex
OK, I got through the first 9 pages and couldn't take any more. If someone could just clarify this issue --
The boot.ini file recommended for replacement here contains:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
But after checking my boot.ini.backup file in c:\windows\pss, I find it contains the following:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
So what should I do? If I copy and paste everything over from the backup file, should I run msconfig again? And if so, should I reply 'No' every time it asks about the differing entries? How important is it to have the separate entries for the various partitions?
If you have a backup file, then copy the backup file itself, and rename it. The backup file in nearly all cases will be the same as what your old boot.ini was. A backup file will be superior to the recommended replacement. Running msconfig and allowing it to remove entries it doesn't like is fine as well.
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Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:27:00 -
[899]
Edited by: Thaneal Swiftbird on 06/12/2007 16:28:50
To all those visiting here who have lost data because they already reinstalled:
Get some professional help if the lost data is worth it. Shut down your computer and leave it off until you get help. There is a good chance a lot of your data is still perfectly recoverable (if its worth it, you will have to pay some working hours at least)!
Even formatted drive does not loose data unless its overwritten several times.
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Crisztian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:27:00 -
[900]
Edited by: Crisztian on 06/12/2007 16:31:44
Originally by: shortattenionsp
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
You're an idiot. You had a paper due tomorrow, and you didn't do any backups? You deserve to fail, if your professors are professionals they will show you no compassion at all. Rarely have I seen a better case of "it won't happen to me" syndrome. Well it did, and you didn't plan for it one bit, and now you pay the conseqences. Yes CCP have made a monumental screw up, but not as big as yours by failing to make any backups at all of your vital work.
No only did you fail to do any backups at all, you could fix the simple problem in the 2 minutes it took you to come to the forums and write your crybaby post. You could have befallen a power cut, hard disk failure, virus, spyware infection, and you failed to plan whatsoever for all of them. You reap what you sow.
I'm sorry, but you have to be ******* ******** to blame anyone for this disaster other then ccp.Unfortunatly no everyone is a computer expert and may not know that you need to back up your file every 5 ******* minutes. How can you say he deserves to fail? Why? Because CCP decided to unleash a virus on his computer?
More then likely he can recover the data, but it will cost him, and I think that CCP is going to find itself with a few hundred lawyers on it's doorstep in the coming days.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:27:00 -
[901]
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
For what it is worth Dual core users may need /usepmtimer
also some users, possible VM users may need /noexecute=optin
so:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer
Why do I have to got through 32 pages of muck to find the posts by CCP?
PLEASE HAVE A READ CCP POST ONLY OPTION FOR EVERY THREAD!!!!!!
Looking at all this user ranting gives me a headache.
All available options can be found here: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/833721
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
[902]
i can confirm i had updated to the premium content before 0400 and had restarted the system at least twice without the boot.ini file and the system didnt complaint nor do i had any problem, file wasnt there although i rewrote it anyway and placed on his place, im using winxp+sp2
sample boot.ini:
[boot loader]
timeout=0
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
note this info is only valid if your operating system is indeed in the 1st partition of first disk and your system in c:\windows
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Jonny29
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
[903]
To all you people mad at CCP, they start this incredible game and have 50,000+ people satisfied daily. All running on one server. There is bound to be problems along the way, so cut them some slack. At the most the QA dept. and the coder responsible for this error should be talked to about being careful.
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REALITY X
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
[904]
The irony is, my graphics card can't handle the so-called "premium content".
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Damnitaalso
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:28:00 -
[905]
I have XP Pro 64bit and it got me. I have no Boot.ini
The hard part is that I have a dual-boot system and I never saved a copy of the Boot.ini
This should be fun.
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Ulcha Ghanis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:29:00 -
[906]
Edited by: Ulcha Ghanis on 06/12/2007 16:30:20
Update on my situation re boot.ini and all that... after many hours following several advice routes (some here, and other MS help sites) i had no success, my laptop remains in a limbo state and refuses to boot, After visiting a 'large and reputable' PC dealership / repair shop... I was told that to have my lovely lovely lappy returned to full shiny working glory would cost me ú129 (uk pounds) i was needless to say, quite shocked that my machine had been put into a state of 'non-working-ness' that could cause such a hefty bill... I declined their offer and have decided to try and muster onward.
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Kylle McCloud
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:29:00 -
[907]
Whew! Sure glad I decided to wait for the premium client instead of download the basic and then upgrade from that!
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:29:00 -
[908]
Originally by: Behedwin
Is there a way to find out if i need to do the "fix" steps and create a new boot.ini file?
My ini file is located at c:/ still.
but it have /NoExecute=OptIn in the end of the document and ccp¦s file do not have that. the rest is exact.
Btw i have eve installed on F: and windows on C:
does that change anything?
As my boot.ini file already excist i could not save a nother one at the same location. should i replace it and do all the steps ccp want me to do or am i fine?
thx
Because you have EVE installed on F: it tried to delete boot.ini on F:. So you're fine and don't have to do anything to fix this, because nothing got broken.
Quote:
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Damnitaalso
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:30:00 -
[909]
Originally by: Jonny29
To all you people mad at CCP, they start this incredible game and have 50,000+ people satisfied daily. All running on one server. There is bound to be problems along the way, so cut them some slack. At the most the QA dept. and the coder responsible for this error should be talked to about being careful.
You are correct, and I agree with you. But deleteing the Boot.ini...Kind of a big oversight.
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Ace Garpy
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:31:00 -
[910]
OK my Computer re-booted fine as I had switched the thing off lat night having installed the patch.
Wife checked and the BOOT.INI is missing so what do I need to do now as it's not clear for those who have already booted back up?
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zeluk
Caldari
Shades Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:31:00 -
[911]
Originally by: Gamtu
Originally by: Prijan Zhodane
BOY DID CCP BUGGER THIS UP!
I had to reformat and reinstall Windows - I "repaired" the boot.ini before rebooting, and had a m"missing hal.dll" afterwads, AND it scrambled my admin password (deleted more files, prolly) so no repair was possible
I'll be at least a week, probably MONTHS restoring my PC.
I WANT AT LEAST 3 MONTHS FREE GAMETIME OR I'VE BEEN _SCREWED_
Thanks for ruining Xmas, CCP :(
Same exact thing happened to me.. Same exact!
You should have read their instructions correctly then.
ps. haha
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Captain Sulu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:31:00 -
[912]
Sigh, i never thought i would have seen so many eve players trolling, do you guys want CCP to get shut down?, accidents happen, and it just has, people need to stop complaining and start helping each other on how to get this sorted, the guides ccp have posted should work perfectly for anyone with half a brain, and if you cant do it, DONT WORRY, your computer isnt wrecked, and your windows is still there just as you left it, just ask a friend who knows abit about PCs to come round, and he will have you back up in no time (or if your really struggling, download a copy of a Live linux distro on a spare PC, whack it in ya pc, when at desktop just create a INI file from there and drop it on your XP partition. CCP guys, hope you sort this out, best of look finding a fix.
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TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:33:00 -
[913]
Edited by: TheDevilsJury on 06/12/2007 16:35:16
Originally by: Ace Garpy
OK my Computer re-booted fine as I had switched the thing off lat night having installed the patch.
Wife checked and the BOOT.INI is missing so what do I need to do now as it's not clear for those who have already booted back up?
If you were able to boot with no problems, you're fine. Chances are you are one of the unaffected: Vista users, Mac or Linux, people with windows on a different partition than eve, classic client only, or really damn lucky. Check yourself as boot.ini may be a hidden file. Easiest way is to use the command prompt, cd down to the C:\> and then type boot.ini and hit enter. That should open up a notepad file. If it doesn't and you don't fit the list of the unaffected, then follow the procedure to replace or rebuild boot.ini
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Zandaar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:33:00 -
[914]
Originally by: Jonny29
To all you people mad at CCP, they start this incredible game and have 50,000+ people satisfied daily. All running on one server. There is bound to be problems along the way, so cut them some slack. At the most the QA dept. and the coder responsible for this error should be talked to about being careful.
Some problems? Yes.
Gross boneheadedness? no..
Anything that doesn't run properly, while sucking, is tolerable.
Anything that causes your machine to not function is so far over the line of incompetence, that it defies gravity.
If you don't understand this distinction, you are not up for evolutionary selection.
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Electra Mortalis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:34:00 -
[915]
Well this notofication came a bit late.
Updated my XP SP2 yeaterday, logged on for a short time, then shut down my laptop. Fortunately no problem when booting again today.
I updated Eve, but was told that my (crap-) system did not support premium content. Maybe that's what saved my cut little butt.
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JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:34:00 -
[916]
Originally by: Captain Sulu
Sigh, i never thought i would have seen so many eve players trolling, do you guys want CCP to get shut down?, accidents happen, and it just has, people need to stop complaining and start helping each other on how to get this sorted, the guides ccp have posted should work perfectly for anyone with half a brain, and if you cant do it, DONT WORRY, your computer isnt wrecked, and your windows is still there just as you left it, just ask a friend who knows abit about PCs to come round, and he will have you back up in no time (or if your really struggling, download a copy of a Live linux distro on a spare PC, whack it in ya pc, when at desktop just create a INI file from there and drop it on your XP partition. CCP guys, hope you sort this out, best of look finding a fix.
Tell that to someone with only 1 PC at home... how do you think they'll find out about fixing this problem smartass? Obviously after taking it to a repairshop and pay for it
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Deirdre Sky
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:34:00 -
[917]
Originally by: Imperial Severian
Originally by: Deirdre Sky
The ONLY interesting question, right now, is why the boot.ini was buggered at all?! By default it is supposed to be protected. Read-only or something at the first place. Am I right?
And that "hall.dll" file which some ppl said they lost and now is missing. I think proper answer is required.
No time for spam ...
because most people run xp as an admin - despite every piece of advice to the contrary - admin users can over-write just about anything - and DEFINITELY everything with a reboot!
Well you must agree that games are NOT supposed to bugger sytem files at all ... That was my point. In that relation I know what the difference between an admin and user is.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:34:00 -
[918]
Originally by: Crisztian
I'm sorry, but you have to be ******* ******** to blame anyone for this disaster other then ccp.Unfortunatly no everyone is a computer expert and may not know that you need to back up your file every 5 ******* minutes.
Well, when even "Sex and the city" has an episode dealing with backups and failed computers, you can kind of assume the knowledge has gone outside of just the computer expert area and into the general public.
When I was in school I just use to mail important stuff to my hotmail account, next to storing them on a USB stick. That way I had two places I could access the files from at school as well as instant backups. And given the number of hotmail accounts and sticks/mp3 players sold, you can hardly claim you have to be a computer expert to use them.
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Woolygimp
Caldari
HeartVenom Inc.
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:34:00 -
[919]
Are we sure Vista is immune?
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Bagehi
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:35:00 -
[920]
Finally... A good reason to have gone to Vista.
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Captain Sulu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:35:00 -
[921]
Because anyone with sense would ask a clued up mate before phoning a repairshop? lol
Tell that to someone with only 1 PC at home... how do you think they'll find out about fixing this problem smartass? Obviously after taking it to a repairshop and pay for it
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Youthinasia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:35:00 -
[922]
I'm just happy that the crash bugs in Trinity didn't result in this issue. I believe the bugs are only when in fullscreen mode, but EVE froze up the PC two times last night, full non-responder freeze, and had the reset done this, as well as a reboot, I would have had a dead PC due to two serious bugs, instead of just one. |
Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
[923]
ppl at ccp did one hell of a good job, its sad a little final mistake in deployment is spoiling one of the most awaited dates on the gaming world, i remember the first win2k installer in 1999 erasing partition table data <- that would be a real problem
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leonstrom5
Gallente
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
[924]
HA HA HA, this i very fun. Because i dont have the biggest expertise in PC .. u know.
I do what CCP tells me to do, but the thing is, nothing happens. I do this :
Choose the corresponding number asked of you for your OS is on,
normally its #1 Then type:
ò Attrib -H -R -S C:\Boot.ini
ò DEL C:\Boot.ini
ò BootCfg /Rebuild
ò Fixboot
The things is, i write excactly this : "attrib -H -R -S C:\Boot.ini"
And the message i get is, wrong parameter
What am i doing wrong, PLEASE HELP
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SugeR RusH
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
[925]
Okay, i havnt read all this thread its just a lil long...i knw you guys didnt mean it BUT what do you do if your pc wont restart and just comes up with it an error message sayying its corupt or missing ?? and you dont have a recovery disk ? do i have to buy a new disk of xp and reinstall the whole of windows ?
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Razer Morphis
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
[926]
I had no idea -so- many people have Eve in the same drive/partition as Windows (which is not smart in the first place).
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Crizstian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
[927]
Originally by: Captain Sulu
Sigh, i never thought i would have seen so many eve players trolling, do you guys want CCP to get shut down?, accidents happen, and it just has, people need to stop complaining and start helping each other on how to get this sorted, the guides ccp have posted should work perfectly for anyone with half a brain, and if you cant do it, DONT WORRY, your computer isnt wrecked, and your windows is still there just as you left it, just ask a friend who knows abit about PCs to come round, and he will have you back up in no time (or if your really struggling, download a copy of a Live linux distro on a spare PC, whack it in ya pc, when at desktop just create a INI file from there and drop it on your XP partition. CCP guys, hope you sort this out, best of look finding a fix.
People have every right to be upset. If people use their computers for work then ccp may have just ****** them royally. There's the dude who's English Paper is due today and is now probably going to fail his course. You think for these people it matters if CCP gets shut down or not? I love EVE, I really do, and I would love to see it not being destroyed by this, but this is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen a company do... ever. And they are going to pay the consequences for it.
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Sapeian
Caldari
Gremlin Industries
Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
[928]
Thanks to ccp for quick action on this.
i checked my files and i am all good,
Keep up the good work people
and btw trinity is looking hot!
excelent expansion.
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Ace Garpy
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:36:00 -
[929]
Originally by: TheDevilsJury
Originally by: Ace Garpy
OK my Computer re-booted fine as I had switched the thing off lat night having installed the patch.
Wife checked and the BOOT.INI is missing so what do I need to do now as it's not clear for those who have already booted back up?
If you were able to boot with no problems, you're fine. Chances are you are one of the unaffected: Vista users, Mac or Linux, people with windows on a different partition than eve, classic client only, or really damn lucky.
Hmmm no I don't think I was lucky as the BOOT.INI file is missing when I went looking for it.
So how does one add it back to where the little bugger is meant to be?
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
LightSpeed Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:37:00 -
[930]
Originally by: Sinnbad Mayhem
another option for those who already rebooted is to slave the drive to another system and copy the boot.ini file over manually
Yep, have to do this one myself... I'm not ****ed at CCP as my anti virus warned me and I accidentally allowed the change (mouse hiccup FTL)... it is surprising that CCP let this one slip through though... I am still ****ed that me comp is broke... arrrg!
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. - Justice, Mercy, and Faith
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:37:00 -
[931]
Edited by: 45thTiger 002 on 06/12/2007 16:37:50
ZOMG - That was painfull
Had to boot to CD run recovery and type "bootcfg /rebuild"
anyway that sort of fixes it but now I have 2 damn OS choices when the laptop boots.
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TheDevilsJury
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:37:00 -
[932]
Originally by: Woolygimp
Are we sure Vista is immune?
Vista is immune. We are sure. Vista doesn't use a file called boot.ini
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Liu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:37:00 -
[933]
Originally by: Apertotes
tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf
quoting for posterity
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Ziggy Farz
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:37:00 -
[934]
Edited by: Ziggy Farz on 06/12/2007 16:40:27
Originally by: midge Mo'yb
Originally by: Ziggy Farz
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
I copied the file and renamed it but msconfig does not have a "boot.ini" tab.
What's the next move?
I am super lucky that I did not reboot.
open up my computer and type c:\boot.ini
and see if your file opens (will see if you renamed it wrong :P)
When I copied the file and renamed it "boot.ini" The file was adding an extension ".ini" to the orignal file. It in fact was named "boot.ini.ini". I renamed the file to "boot" and then was able to do a start/run on "c:/boot.ini"
I ran the utility in ms config and the only options on the boot check were deleting lines. Was this a list of all possible paths of the operating system and I just need to delete the paths that do not work?
After deleting the lines my boot.ini is:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
Does this look right?
I know enough about computers to be dangerous but I am far from an expert....
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Relain Linday
Amarr
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:38:00 -
[935]
Originally by: Jonny29
All running on one server.
A cluster is not "one server".
You're dumb, sir.
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rValdez5987
Amarr
Asylum Research and Development
Legion of Honor
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:38:00 -
[936]
thank god i keep my windows partition separate from EVERYTHING
I have a 20gb drive for windows
and a 320gb drive for EVE and other games.
I shut down my computer last night without seeing this post, it would've been bad if I lost all of my college work.
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JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:38:00 -
[937]
Originally by: Zandaar
Anything that doesn't run properly, while sucking, is tolerable.
Anything that causes your machine to not function is so far over the line of incompetence, that it defies gravity.
If you don't understand this distinction, you are not up for evolutionary selection.
I second that!... Only irresponsible and borderline nasty coding does something like this.
We have to accept when they do great things... like fixing all those nasty bugs in game. But also they deserve what they are getting thrown too.
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Mgrow
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:38:00 -
[938]
Well, I seem to have an odd problem. I too have no boot.ini file so I copied the backup and put it back in windows but msconfig is still missing the boot.ini tab!
When I boot or reboot the machine the bios warms up fine, then for about 5 seconds it just says:
"Invalid or missing boot.ini
Booting from c:/windows"
And then works fine.... I are confuzzed?
What is the EXACT location the boot.ini file should be? It's the only thing I can think of that may be wrong........
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REALITY X
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:38:00 -
[939]
Originally by: Making stuff
this post is FTW. Easy to do. Make sure you do this guys, because if you make your own ini file and have multiple partitions/etc, you could make a mistake.
Originally by: VossKarr
I find this an easier suggestion:
Quote:
If you installed the premium patch and didnt reboot yet there's an easy fix.
1. Locate your "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss .
2. Copy it to your desktop.
3. Delete the ".backup" extension so teh file is named "boot.ini"
4. Copy your brand new shiny boot.ini to your root directory. (in most cases c:\)
There was NO "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss!
Yeah, real easy eh?
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petergriffen
Amarr
Dufrene Holdings. INC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:39:00 -
[940]
Originally by: Crizstian
People have every right to be upset. If people use their computers for work then ccp may have just ****** them royally. There's the dude who's English Paper is due today and is now probably going to fail his course. You think for these people it matters if CCP gets shut down or not? I love EVE, I really do, and I would love to see it not being destroyed by this, but this is one of the dumbest things I have ever seen a company do... ever. And they are going to pay the consequences for it.
Sorry, that's HIS fault that he didn't have his paper done on time. HE'S the one who decided to wait until the last minute, and HE'S the one who decided to PLAY A GAME instead of work on his paper.
I have no sympathy for anyone who loses work because of a system crash, and I guarantee his college professors won't, either.
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Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
LightSpeed Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:39:00 -
[941]
Originally by: Gamtu
Originally by: Prijan Zhodane
BOY DID CCP BUGGER THIS UP!
I had to reformat and reinstall Windows - I "repaired" the boot.ini before rebooting, and had a m"missing hal.dll" afterwads, AND it scrambled my admin password (deleted more files, prolly) so no repair was possible
I'll be at least a week, probably MONTHS restoring my PC.
I WANT AT LEAST 3 MONTHS FREE GAMETIME OR I'VE BEEN _SCREWED_
Thanks for ruining Xmas, CCP :(
Same exact thing happened to me.. Same exact!
and here... I'll have to reformat if the slave over doesn't work
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. - Justice, Mercy, and Faith
My soul has horizons further away than those of early mornings, deeper darkness than the night |
Tammu Danii
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:39:00 -
[942]
Originally by: Lithillian Baedwean
For XP Media Center Edition your boot.ini file should read exactly this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
Hope this helps.
Thanks. Now if someone could tell me what the secret Admin password is that I never created, that I need to access the console to make these changes, I'll love you forever
Damn Packard Bell.
I offer my condolances to whoever made the typo. If your gonna screw up, may as well make it a big one
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Svetlanna
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:40:00 -
[943]
HELP!
Look, I am a total illeterate with computer and I am getting super worried looking at all this here without understanding much about it.
So please, someone from CCP CLEARLY AND EXPLAIN SIMPLY what happened, what are the consequences of any mistakes and what to do to solve it.
KEEP in mind to stay clear in your explanation and that not everyone has the technological computer knowledge you might have.
In my case, I just downloaded last night the new patch, all was fine The game started properly, I played few hours and logged off (I do not have the new graffics as it says my computer does not supoprt it, that is all. But the game worked smoothly)
What do I need to do when turning on my computer tonight?
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:41:00 -
[944]
Just to lighten the mood
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Snuggles theTerrible
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:41:00 -
[945]
Oh my god !!!!!! i had my winning lottery number written in C: and now its gone OH MY GOD my 1 million dollars !!! I KILL U !!! DIE INFIDELS !! !!!
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Tiny Carlos
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:41:00 -
[946]
Edited by: Tiny Carlos on 06/12/2007 16:42:21
The warnings about this mention win2k, but I've had no problems. I don't think 2k even has boot.ini in c:\
Do any 2k users have this problem?
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Fingapup
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:41:00 -
[947]
I'm getting confused really...
Can't I just do a System Restore from yesterday before 04.00? (actu about 18 hours ago)
Alternatively can I just copy the backup of my boot.ini file and drop it into C:/windows/system ?
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:41:00 -
[948]
Originally by: Anwylyd Al'Vos
Originally by: Gamtu
Originally by: Prijan Zhodane
BOY DID CCP BUGGER THIS UP!
I had to reformat and reinstall Windows - I "repaired" the boot.ini before rebooting, and had a m"missing hal.dll" afterwads, AND it scrambled my admin password (deleted more files, prolly) so no repair was possible
I'll be at least a week, probably MONTHS restoring my PC.
I WANT AT LEAST 3 MONTHS FREE GAMETIME OR I'VE BEEN _SCREWED_
Thanks for ruining Xmas, CCP :(
Same exact thing happened to me.. Same exact!
and here... I'll have to reformat if the slave over doesn't work
FFS DONOT REINSTALL: the hal.dll message basicly means missing boot.ini, use a xp bootdisk and fix the damn thing.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Sapeian
Caldari
Gremlin Industries
Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:41:00 -
[949]
Originally by: Avataris
you have to be some sort of prize ***** to think this is funny. Some of us are in different timezones and did not have to good fortune to see the warnings on the website.
I for example downloaded the patch, played for an hour then went to sleep. Started my PC up this morning and it didn't work. Couldn't get on the website to read instructions as my PC is non-functional.
I had no way of knowing it was Eve that caused this. I only hope I can get the damn thing back up and running, as I don't have a windows install disk (bought the PC with it preinstalled)
I am pretty sure if you contact microsoft as long as you provide them with a genuine license key when you speak with them and explain the problem i am sure they will replace your copy of windows.
as it is a payed for license i dont see why they wouldnt.
if that fails if you have warrenty on your pc if you did not build it yourself and it came pre installed with windows who ever you bought it from should be able to fix it under warrenty.
these are just suggestions and i dont know for a fact that you can do this.
i hope that helps someone.
Andy.
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Wayez
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:42:00 -
[950]
I would like to know:
How this got past testing?
Have you sacked the person in charge of testing, or giving him a stern talking to?
What the hell were you trying to do with my boot.ini in the first place?
Thanks
Wayez
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petergriffen
Amarr
Dufrene Holdings. INC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:42:00 -
[951]
Originally by: Svetlanna
HELP!
Look, I am a total illeterate with computer and I am getting super worried looking at all this here without understanding much about it.
So please, someone from CCP CLEARLY AND EXPLAIN SIMPLY what happened, what are the consequences of any mistakes and what to do to solve it.
KEEP in mind to stay clear in your explanation and that not everyone has the technological computer knowledge you might have.
In my case, I just downloaded last night the new patch, all was fine The game started properly, I played few hours and logged off (I do not have the new graffics as it says my computer does not supoprt it, that is all. But the game worked smoothly)
What do I need to do when turning on my computer tonight?
If you didn't download and install the premium content then you have nothing to worry about.
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Ziggy Farz
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:43:00 -
[952]
Originally by: REALITY X
Originally by: Making stuff
this post is FTW. Easy to do. Make sure you do this guys, because if you make your own ini file and have multiple partitions/etc, you could make a mistake.
Originally by: VossKarr
I find this an easier suggestion:
Quote:
If you installed the premium patch and didnt reboot yet there's an easy fix.
1. Locate your "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss .
2. Copy it to your desktop.
3. Delete the ".backup" extension so teh file is named "boot.ini"
4. Copy your brand new shiny boot.ini to your root directory. (in most cases c:\)
There was NO "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss!
Yeah, real easy eh?
See my solution above. I renamed the file to "boot" and not "boot.ini" Windows was not removing the old extension and when you do exactly as the instructions say, you get a file called "boot.ini.ini"
YMMV
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Mgrow
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:43:00 -
[953]
Originally by: Tammu Danii
Originally by: Lithillian Baedwean
For XP Media Center Edition your boot.ini file should read exactly this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
Hope this helps.
Thanks. Now if someone could tell me what the secret Admin password is that I never created, that I need to access the console to make these changes, I'll love you forever
Damn Packard Bell.
I offer my condolances to whoever made the typo. If your gonna screw up, may as well make it a big one
It should hopefully be ADMIN if it's a default password, hope it works
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:43:00 -
[954]
Edited by: DrAtomic on 06/12/2007 16:43:56
Originally by: Fingapup
I'm getting confused really...
Can't I just do a System Restore from yesterday before 04.00? (actu about 18 hours ago)
Alternatively can I just copy the backup of my boot.ini file and drop it into C:/windows/system ?
Drop the boot.ini in your root (c:\) and you are set (if it's allready there then dont do anything since you dont have the issue).
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Jonny29
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:43:00 -
[955]
Originally by: Zandaar
Originally by: Jonny29
To all you people mad at CCP, they start this incredible game and have 50,000+ people satisfied daily. All running on one server. There is bound to be problems along the way, so cut them some slack. At the most the QA dept. and the coder responsible for this error should be talked to about being careful.
Some problems? Yes.
Gross boneheadedness? no..
Anything that doesn't run properly, while sucking, is tolerable.
Anything that causes your machine to not function is so far over the line of incompetence, that it defies gravity.
If you don't understand this distinction, you are not up for evolutionary selection.
I do understand this. I am saying that unless this was an intentional order from CCP (obviously not) it is not the company`s fault, It is the fault of the person who wrote the code, and the people that did not catch the error. Also... Is it at all possible that the malicious code was edited in from an outside source, then uploaded to all the computers via the patch? IMO this is more likely than them missing a problem as big as this.
I could intellectually kick your ass over your evolutionary comment, but I don`t get off to internet fights.
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JeanPaul Sartre
26th of July Movement
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:44:00 -
[956]
Just spent 2 hours fixing my Windows Partition, thanks CCP... possibly the worst blunder by an online game company I've come across.
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Quote:
If a victory is told in detail, one can no longer distinguish it from a defeat.
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jkl301
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:45:00 -
[957]
crap they also ****** up my computer |
Baulath
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:46:00 -
[958]
One word:
"COMPENSATION"
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Taedrin
Gallente
Magellan Exploration and Survey
Rare Faction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:47:00 -
[959]
HOW TO REPLACE YOUR BOOT.INI:
You will need:
Windows XP CD
Hard Drive drivers in a floppy if needed (sometimes needed for SATA or RAID hard drives)
Windows Administrator Privileges
(possibly)BIOS Administrator Privileges
OR
Alternative boot media
If using Linux, you need the ntfs drivers for writing to ntfs partitions
Microsoft method:
Take affected computer, insert CD, and boot to CD. If your computer does not boot to CD, then you will need to alter your BIOS's boot order. Each BIOS is different so I can't give you step by step instructions. What you need to do is change your boot order to boot from your CD before your hard drive.
Special Hard drive instructions:
When booting to your XP CD, if you watch the bottom of the screen, it will display a message briefly telling you to hit F6 if you have RAID drivers. If your hard drive requires special drivers, hit F6 now. If you wait too long, and the message goes away, you have to start over. If you do need special hard drive drivers, insert your floppy containing them now. After the CD finishes loading, follow the on screen instructions to load the hard drive drivers into memory
Once the CD has finished loading (and your hard drive drivers are loaded, if needed), hit "R" for the recovery console option. The screen will go back, and will ask you for the administrator password. Type it in, and you will be given a command prompt. Enter in the command:
"bootcfg /rebuild", and follow the on screen instructions to repair your boot.ini file.
ALTERNATIVE SOLUTION:
If you are saavy enough, you can boot to another Operating System, and create the boot.ini file yourself. Considering how long it takes for the XP CD to load, this might be a bit faster. To do this, load up your alternative operating system, mount your XP hard drive (if it is not, already), and create a text file on the hard drive, and name it boot.ini
I will describe the contents of the boot.ini file so that you understand what is needed for it:
Contents:
[boot loader]
timeout=1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
The first 3 lines are options for the windows bootloader, ntldr (another system critical file in the root directory of your hard drive). Timeout is how long you have to choose an option before the bootloader automatically selects the default, which is the 3rd line.
The next 2 lines are the Microsoft operating systems that you can boot to (ntldr can not boot to non-Microsoft OS's by design. Thanks alot M$). The last line describes where your Operating system is actually located.
"multi(0)" - describes the disk controller that the bootloader should use. Computers start counting at '0', instead of '1', so multi(0) means that the bootloader should use the FIRST disk controller. multi(1) means to use the SECOND disk controller. If you use a SCSI hard drive, this will be "scsi(0)" instead.
"disk(0)" - this refers to the SCSI number to use. If you use SATA or IDE/PATA, then you use "disk(0)" no matter what.
"rdisk(0)" - this refers to the hard drive number that you want to use. If using IDE/PATA, 0 means to use the Master (or primary) hard drive, and 1 means to use the Slave (or secondary) hard drive. If you use SCSI, this will always be 0 no matter what.
"partition(1)" - the partition number that the operating system is located on. Unlike the other options, we start counting at "1" here, instead of "0".
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:47:00 -
[960]
Originally by: DeODokktor
As far as ccp being liable for damage, well, I dont know, the EULA says
How many EULA's do you have to accept to get patch installed?
Zero, Zilch, Nada.
How many times do I have to say this. You get your system ****** up without having accepted a single EULA or read a single Disclaimer.
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Chr0nosX
Ore Mongers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:48:00 -
[961]
Edited by: Chr0nosX on 06/12/2007 16:51:25
Wow CCP you screwed this up really bad. Next time you release a patch could you check it doesn't screw over my computer? That would be grand. People who don't have their Windows XP CD must be really ******.
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Recon Three
181st Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:48:00 -
[962]
Would have been a flawless expansion if not for this boot.ini issue. Luckily I downloaded the full setup file so I didn't get owned by it. And to say that this is the biggest f*ck up in MMO history might not be an understatement at this point.
But the game does look amazing now, so I'm happy. Sucks for the other people though.
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Mattikus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:48:00 -
[963]
Edited by: Mattikus on 06/12/2007 16:51:42
Originally by: Crizstian
Originally by: Captain Sulu
Sigh, i never thought i would have seen so many eve players trolling, do you guys want CCP to get shut down?, accidents happen, and it just has, people need to stop complaining and start helping each other on how to get this sorted, the guides ccp have posted should work perfectly for anyone with half a brain, and if you cant do it, DONT WORRY, your computer isnt wrecked, and your windows is still there just as you left it, just ask a friend who knows abit about PCs to come round, and he will have you back up in no time (or if your really struggling, download a copy of a Live linux distro on a spare PC, whack it in ya pc, when at desktop just create a INI file from there and drop it on your XP partition. CCP guys, hope you sort this out, best of look finding a fix.
If he fails a class for missing one paper or turning it in a day late (which MOST teachers/professors will let you do) then he's not doing so well in that class to begin with.
oops...quoted the wrong thing.
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Asurmen Vendici
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:49:00 -
[964]
Edited by: Asurmen Vendici on 06/12/2007 16:49:56
Just to remind everyone, even if it fubars your windows install, you do NOT have to format!
In the windows install, choose not to format the drive, it will then ask you if you want to continue(I think) say yes, then it will ask if you want to delete the old windows install, say yes.
There, the windows directory was the only casualty.
a fubared windows doesn't mean you have to lose your data!
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Twobits PieCake
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:49:00 -
[965]
My computer broke down. Thus in anger I went forth and killed my pet animal.
I want compensation in valuable items or money from CCP, and a new cat. tia
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Hydrao Centaurian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:50:00 -
[966]
This is very upsetting. Even though this can be fixed, the majority of people that play this game are running windows XP, meaning they all have to take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again. What about the next time a big update comes out. Do you think people are going to wait to play the game just to see if there has been any problems. I love this game and appreciate the people that make it, but it is very disappointing to see this happen. I hope that there would be some sort of reimbursement for those that the problem affected whether in RL or ingame. Something should be done to try and compensate and make up for this blunder.
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Mgrow
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:52:00 -
[967]
Originally by: Mgrow
Well, I seem to have an odd problem. I too have no boot.ini file so I copied the backup and put it back in windows but msconfig is still missing the boot.ini tab!
When I boot or reboot the machine the bios warms up fine, then for about 5 seconds it just says:
"Invalid or missing boot.ini
Booting from c:/windows"
And then works fine.... I are confuzzed?
What is the EXACT location the boot.ini file should be? It's the only thing I can think of that may be wrong........
^^ANYBODY ELSE GETTING THIS PROBLEM^^
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Confuzer
PBA Corporation
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:53:00 -
[968]
:(
I also couldn't start my comp, but needed the laptop that day for work so did a reinstall.
I don't know anything about computers so started up something with partition stuff.
I re-installed windows and now I can't find any files. Everything is empty. Work files, family photo's and video's which weren't backed up, passwords and sourcecode of all my projects which wasn't backed up.
What to do? My whole life is a mess now...
jk, just gonna repair and place a boot.ini when I get home.
But what if... what if...
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:53:00 -
[969]
Originally by: Avataris
Originally by: zeluk
You should have read their instructions correctly then.
ps. haha
you have to be some sort of prize ***** to think this is funny. Some of us are in different timezones and did not have to good fortune to see the warnings on the website.
Yeah, it's not like CCP are Europe based or anything, never would think maybe it was stupid hours of the morning for us when the patch was downloaded and we went to bed. And obviously when Windows booted to a blank screen, my first thought was "Of course, EVE must have deleted my boot.ini file, I'll replace it!", not "Why is my boot sequence hanging on crcdisk.sys" (apparently that's what happens if you lose your boot.ini and have SATA drives).
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:53:00 -
[970]
Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: DeODokktor
As far as ccp being liable for damage, well, I dont know, the EULA says
How many EULA's do you have to accept to get patch installed?
Zero, Zilch, Nada.
How many times do I have to say this. You get your system ****** up without having accepted a single EULA or read a single Disclaimer.
The path is just an extension to the software that has the EULA. EULA has no law value, but its an indication that you KNEW that there was chances that something go wrong, even so you decided to install the game and its patches.
The real damage is ZERO NADA since it can be solved by anyone that can read within a few minutes.
If you are walking in road and a bird poos in your head you cannot simply go sue people that feed birds around in the area. They might have an accidental responsability. But the damage is ZERO so common sense says this should be dismissed.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:54:00 -
[971]
Originally by: Confuzer
:(
I also couldn't start my comp, but needed the laptop that day for work so did a reinstall.
I don't know anything about computers so started up something with partition stuff.
I re-installed windows and now I can't find any files. Everything is empty. Work files, family photo's and video's which weren't backed up, passwords and sourcecode of all my projects which wasn't backed up.
What to do? My whole life is a mess now...
jk, just gonna repair and place a boot.ini when I get home.
But what if... what if...
I LOL'd.
And when you pointed out it was a joke I LOL'd even harder.
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Zenst
Gallente
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:54:00 -
[972]
Originally by: Gamtu
Originally by: Zenst
If anybody totaly stuck near Kingston-Upon-Thames, Surrey UK then let me know here and I'll do the knight in shinny armour thang. Though sadly most people who will need help wont have any working computer, so feel free to call CCP and they can let me know if i'm local as I'm more than happy to assist.
That said it appears Vista was good for something afterall :D.
Call CCP??.. um what's their phone number please?
http://www.ccpgames.com/company/contact.asp
All is there.
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Val Kaleth
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:54:00 -
[973]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
Edited by: CCP Lingorm on 06/12/2007 07:49:39
If you have a missing boot.ini here is another solution.
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
Copy the above code into notepad and save it to "c:\boot.ini"
Start > Run "msconfig"
Go to the boot.ini tab and click "Check all boot paths"
This will then go down the list and check each of the lines to see if it is valid for you.
You will get a popup telling you if any of the lines is Invalid and asking if you want to remove it. Click yes.
At the end of all the popups you should be left with a working boot.ini
msconfig WILL NOT rebuild your boot.ini if you do not have one. It will only validate you exsisting boot.ini
thanks that worked great. I got lucky and my PC rebooted fine even though I didnt have a boot.ini
Im going to have to call my friend though, he may not be so lucky
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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:55:00 -
[974]
Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 06/12/2007 16:56:11
Great - my pc boots to a black screen and a statement that i am missing "hal.dll" file.
PC wont boot from my DVD drive, so i am struggling to work out how i am gonna get my pc to run. Im just glad i have my sisters spare computer to vent my utter frustration.
P.S If anyone has any idea how to boot from DVD drive i would apprciate it - i tried the f6 option mentioned above but it does absolutly nothing.
P.P.S i would use my dusty old vista upgrade disc but....wont work either...
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JeanLuc Rome
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:55:00 -
[975]
Originally by: Confuzer
:(
I also couldn't start my comp, but needed the laptop that day for work so did a reinstall.
I don't know anything about computers so started up something with partition stuff.
I re-installed windows and now I can't find any files. Everything is empty. Work files, family photo's and video's which weren't backed up, passwords and sourcecode of all my projects which wasn't backed up.
What to do? My whole life is a mess now...
jk, just gonna repair and place a boot.ini when I get home.
But what if... what if...
It's actually really F***ked up you mess around with the bad luck of others. People like you die young :)
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REALITY X
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:55:00 -
[976]
Well, I am semi-computer illiterate, and I have no idea what to do now. I'm just lucky I didn't turn my computer off before going to bed like I usually do.
I downloaded the "winxpboot.ini" file to C:\, renamed it to "boot.ini", went into msconfig and clicked on the "boot.ini" tab and then selected "Check all boot paths". At this point, I keep getting a "System Configuration Utility" error message which closes everything before the next steps can be done.
Is it okay that I just have this renamed file in C:\? Will I be able to restart my PC with no problems?
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Asurmen Vendici
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:56:00 -
[977]
Originally by: Hydrao Centaurian
This is very upsetting. Even though this can be fixed, the majority of people that play this game are running windows XP, meaning they all have to take steps to make sure this doesn't happen again. What about the next time a big update comes out. Do you think people are going to wait to play the game just to see if there has been any problems. I love this game and appreciate the people that make it, but it is very disappointing to see this happen. I hope that there would be some sort of reimbursement for those that the problem affected whether in RL or ingame. Something should be done to try and compensate and make up for this blunder.
I don't really see why compensation should be given for something that at worst takes a few hours to fix(if it takes you that long to find a friend with a copy of XP, or to make some 'geeky' friends ;) )
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Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:56:00 -
[978]
Originally by: Confuzer
:(
I also couldn't start my comp, but needed the laptop that day for work so did a reinstall.
I don't know anything about computers so started up something with partition stuff.
I re-installed windows and now I can't find any files. Everything is empty. Work files, family photo's and video's which weren't backed up, passwords and sourcecode of all my projects which wasn't backed up.
What to do? My whole life is a mess now...
jk, just gonna repair and place a boot.ini when I get home.
But what if... what if...
As I already said: If the data is worth it, get some professional help. There is a very high chance for deleted data to be recoverable, unless you overwrote your full harddisk at leat 2-3 times. Any decent technician should be able to help you, or at least point you to a recovery expert.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:56:00 -
[979]
Originally by: Baulath
One word:
"COMPENSATION"
CCP have put me in charge of compensation. Here you go:
1x boot.ini
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Eric Caine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 16:57:00 -
[980]
I found this as a way to reinstate your boot.ini.
it does use bootcfg and is said in the article to work with windows xp home edition as well as pro.
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 -
[981]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
The real damage is ZERO NADA since it can be solved by anyone that can read within a few minutes.
That only applies if:
a) You have a second computer to browse forums.
b) After seeing your computer failing to boot, first thing you do is go to EVE forums using your other computer. That is, instead of checking for viruses or HDD failure. Every time your computer fails the first place you go for advice is EVE forums, really.
Quote:
If you are walking in road and a bird poos in your head you cannot simply go sue people that feed birds around in the area. They might have an accidental responsability. But the damage is ZERO so common sense says this should be dismissed.
If those people have trained the birds to poo in your head then yes, they are responsible. And this patch(bird) has been written(trained to) so it deletes a vital system file(poos in your head).
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Asurmen Vendici
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 -
[982]
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen128
Well im 'f-ed'. On a lab comp with computer down right at the end of my senior semester of university... My windows CD is no where to be found... I am fuxed, any suggestions besides repurchasing windows CD? needs to be a relatively fast fix as i got stuff due in the next couple days...
thanks
Ask people in your lab if they have a windows CD you could borrow to fix your system?
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Eric Caine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 -
[983]
addition to previous post.
http://icrontic.com/articles/repair_windows_xp
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:01:00 -
[984]
Originally by: Cassius Hawkeye
Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 06/12/2007 16:56:11
Great - my pc boots to a black screen and a statement that i am missing "hal.dll" file.
PC wont boot from my DVD drive, so i am struggling to work out how i am gonna get my pc to run. Im just glad i have my sisters spare computer to vent my utter frustration.
P.S If anyone has any idea how to boot from DVD drive i would apprciate it - i tried the f6 option mentioned above but it does absolutly nothing.
P.P.S i would use my dusty old vista upgrade disc but....wont work either...
1. The hal message is windows way of saying boot.ini missing.
2. Go into your bios and change the boot order of your devices so that your dvd drive is on top or better yet if you have a floppydisk download a windows xp bootdisk from www.bootdisk.com.
3. If you are going to boot of your DVD then DONOT NOT NOT NOT reinstall, go to recovery console and fix the boot.ini from the command prompt.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:02:00 -
[985]
Originally by: Asurmen Vendici
I don't really see why compensation should be given for something that at worst takes a few hours to fix(if it takes you that long to find a friend with a copy of XP, or to make some 'geeky' friends ;) )
Because my time is expensive?
I'm doing a full time job, part time degree, and am involved with various things RL that take up time as well. I don't get a lot of free time...
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Zenst
Gallente
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:02:00 -
[986]
Originally by: Cassius Hawkeye
Edited by: Cassius Hawkeye on 06/12/2007 16:56:11
Great - my pc boots to a black screen and a statement that i am missing "hal.dll" file.
PC wont boot from my DVD drive, so i am struggling to work out how i am gonna get my pc to run. Im just glad i have my sisters spare computer to vent my utter frustration.
P.S If anyone has any idea how to boot from DVD drive i would apprciate it - i tried the f6 option mentioned above but it does absolutly nothing.
P.P.S i would use my dusty old vista upgrade disc but....wont work either...
Your computer will look at drives (Hard discs/DVD etc) in a order. this is set in the computer BIOS. Ready up on your particular BIOS from your mobo/computer supplier as to how to get into it and change said order. Generaly its usualy case of holding the escape key or F1 or F2 or DEL key upon initial boot and then going to the boot order. You need the DVD at the top of the list and can leave it there as if no disc it will boot from the Harddisc next - as per order. Have good read and get familiar with what is taking place and you will come away from this a better man.
Shout if your stuck - lots of great people here keen to bury this SNAFU.
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Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:04:00 -
[987]
@CCP Atropos (or anyone else from CCP reading this):
Could you please add a few lines to your official informations for those who already reinstalled their systems (because they didn¦t know better or whatever) and lost data?
I think its only reasonable to at least guide people who have lost important data to the idea that "formatted" does not automatically mean "lost forever". In some cases it might be a viable option to try a recovery!
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:04:00 -
[988]
Originally by: Asurmen Vendici
Originally by: Cordova
What about Vista users?
Vista does not use boot.ini you are fine
Well it took me 1 hr to find the damn CD (Media Edition), 6 mins to boot to BIOS and change my start up sequence, 16 mins for it to find the partition and make a new boot.ini, 7 hrs to read this forum thread and 3 cartons of beer to get the courage to reboot. I have 7 eve accounts, I hope I dont get any bills this month :p
But at least I have survived what is being called the worst patch in the history of gaming.
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ICE Blade
Minmatar
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 -
[989]
Listen guys ccp have not wiped you HDs if you were effected, only deleted one file you just need to put your HD as a slave on another PC and add the file or use you windows disk and go into recovery console and replace the missing file. PS Don't sue them as they might go down and we can't play anymore and might have to play WoW noooooooooooooooooo
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 -
[990]
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen128
Well im 'f-ed'. On a lab comp with computer down right at the end of my senior semester of university... My windows CD is no where to be found... I am fuxed, any suggestions besides repurchasing windows CD? needs to be a relatively fast fix as i got stuff due in the next couple days...
thanks
Ask around, there will almost certainly be other EVE players, and probably some of them will have a Windows CD handy you can borrow. Failing that, you can fix boot.ini from Linux, it's just not pretty... possibly find the nearest geek and offer to buy them a drink/cookies if they'll fix it for you?
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Wayez
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:05:00 -
[991]
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen128
Well im 'f-ed'. On a lab comp with computer down right at the end of my senior semester of university... My windows CD is no where to be found... I am fuxed, any suggestions besides repurchasing windows CD? needs to be a relatively fast fix as i got stuff due in the next couple days...
thanks
Find a mate with another windows machine.
Take your harddrive out, piggy back your harddrive as a slave on your mates machine, and replace the ini file.
There you have it, one repaired drive.
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Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:07:00 -
[992]
Edited by: Zel Nughat on 06/12/2007 17:07:40
Ok, i have uploaded a solution into my server for those that cannot boot his system at all, download bootntfs image diskette uncompress the file execute the content to make a floppy that will be able to access your ntfs disk drive, then copy the boot.ini file contained in there to your c:\
exe is a winimage executable hope it helps, remember your file system will be in d:\ (only while you are using the diskette that is) after booting with the diskette
regards
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:07:00 -
[993]
Originally by: Malixu
Originally by: Asurmen Vendici
I don't really see why compensation should be given for something that at worst takes a few hours to fix(if it takes you that long to find a friend with a copy of XP, or to make some 'geeky' friends ;) )
Because my time is expensive?
I'm doing a full time job, part time degree, and am involved with various things RL that take up time as well. I don't get a lot of free time...
If you have enough time to play EVE, you have enough time to fix this.
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REALITY X
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:07:00 -
[994]
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: REALITY X
Well, I am semi-computer illiterate, and I have no idea what to do now. I'm just lucky I didn't turn my computer off before going to bed like I usually do.
I downloaded the "winxpboot.ini" file to C:\, renamed it to "boot.ini", went into msconfig and clicked on the "boot.ini" tab and then selected "Check all boot paths". At this point, I keep getting a "System Configuration Utility" error message which closes everything before the next steps can be done.
Is it okay that I just have this renamed file in C:\? Will I be able to restart my PC with no problems?
No you are not fine. Most likely the partition cant be found, change partition(1) to partition(2) and try again if that doesnt work try 3, rinse repeat untill msconfig runs without an error and validates your boot entries.
I appreciate your attempt to help, but I'm not so sure what part of "semi-computer illiterate" you did not understand.
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Sapeian
Caldari
Gremlin Industries
Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:08:00 -
[995]
I always backup important data when i install somthing big.
so if there is a chance it could go wrong and it usually does everything is safe.
@ window's users.
Get linux ;)
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Gunit Soldier
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:08:00 -
[996]
Well this is f*cking bull****, one of my comps is messed up for a while. And i am having to read ****ty articles to figure out how to get my Boot.ini back. That is some ****ty patching/programming you guys did. This is just great.
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:08:00 -
[997]
Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
The real damage is ZERO NADA since it can be solved by anyone that can read within a few minutes.
That only applies if:
a) You have a second computer to browse forums.
b) After seeing your computer failing to boot, first thing you do is go to EVE forums using your other computer. That is, instead of checking for viruses or HDD failure. Every time your computer fails the first place you go for advice is EVE forums, really.
c) Have a Windows boot CD to hand, or Linux if you're sufficiently geeky.
d) Your setup isn't "weird", and requires significantly more work than most do. Personally, all I kept getting was black screens, and safe mode hung on crcdisk.sys, somehow this didn't lead to the assumption that my boot.ini file was missing.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:14:00 -
[998]
If your WINDOWS machine went down, never fear the Penguin is here to pull yer ass outa the fire.... once again...... just get a live linux cd that supports ntfs (I prefer Knoppix myself... google it)... they are FREE... download, burn it (use a local library comp or a friends comp to DL to a $10 1GB data pen) set ur bios to boot from cd or usb, depending on what u try to use... then just copy the dang file
CCP f'd up in a major way (just quit playing... and quit whining), but.... if you read the EULA... you pretty much agreed to let them do it w/o reprecussion... learn to use the machines you have and stfu ppl... ne1 that doesnt back up their machine regularly gets what they deserve.
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mishkof
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:14:00 -
[999]
Originally by: Thargat
Lulz... you peepz suck (and I don't mean CCP).
I installed it on 3 machines this morning (or yesterday) with the so called faulty patch and I didn't have a single problem (yes theyr all XP ones) my boot.ini files are all still there so I'm not sure who's been affected (maybe only users who run admin accounts and don't have locked bootfiles/bios boot restore, unhidden and unprotected system files and stuff).
I guess there are those of you out there who ain't computer freaks and don't understand jack about software, but when installing ANY software on your machine you should know that there's always a risk.
I don't blame CCP, but I DO blame microsoft... this should NOT be able to happen in XP.
um yeah, you realise there was a certain time window after which the patch files were fixed?
A computer genius that cannot read a clock.
I own a T2 BPO and have a Capital alt. Please hate/troll/smack me.
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Anytime Baby
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:14:00 -
[1000]
An alternate solution to the Windows XP Boot CD needs to be found. The reason is that many PC's that are purchased with windows pre-installed do not come with a boot CD, only an image of one saved to the HD of your computer. Great to those who knew to burn it...those who didn't don't have one and it's completely possible that it will take them days or weeks to get one.
No one CCP programmer is responsible for this...the patch content is magnificent and the work appreciated. I'm really surprised that no one double checked this or tried to run it before releasing such a catastrophic patch.
At least T20 can finally live his/her story down.
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WaResZ
Minmatar
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:14:00 -
[1001]
Originally by: JeanLuc Rome
Edited by: JeanLuc Rome on 06/12/2007 17:01:03
Is it so hard for you to understand that people with only 1 computer won't be able to get on the internet and find out what went wrong?... Jesh, people we are lucky we have more than 1 system... if you only got 1 you are screwed cause you don't know what happened and will end up taking it to a shop which will cost you about $50. Believe it or not, there are people out there who don't have $50 dollars at hand to waste for a nasty mistake like this one.
Or the 2 week wait ...for them to get to it...
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:14:00 -
[1002]
Originally by: mishkof
The worst part is I posted the link to the update for at least 2 people and told them how awesome the graphics were :( Sorry, Rose and Gorthox.
I talked at least 10 corpmates into downloading it.... gonna be quiet in corp today... :S
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:15:00 -
[1003]
I'm devastated...
have Windows XP pro, and an account key allowing us to have the same XP on several comps. This means I don't have my XP cd, which again means that I now have a computer that cannot start up windows requiring the hal.dll file.
CCP's advice is useless, as I simply do not have the cd for it. Is there any way I can reboot windows in a secure way without the boot.ini and then restore? Or is my 15 pages of uni project I've worked on during the last couple of days lost?
How you managed to **** this up so hard I cannot comprehend, but I am in shock...
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Seeker Logos
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:16:00 -
[1004]
Well thank God I was able to get my boot.ini back in...Will it remain if I play Eve now? Is there something else I must do now?
Now for all those who are badrapping CCP and talking crap, ask yourself this....Are you so damn perfect? Do you not make any mistakes? If so go to your local church because you might be the Savior returned. However you are not..we all are not perfect. So before you whine about your lost time, or the long work you have to do to fix this think about all the man hours and such that the guys at CCP put into this so YOU could enjoy the EVE experience. So they made a mistake..wipe your eyes and get over it...It will get fixed as usual and you can move on to doing your thing. Stop acting like spoiled brats and remember there is only one man who is infallible and you sure are not he.
Thank you CCP for trying and for bringing us this most awesome game.
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Hironashi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:16:00 -
[1005]
I have no windows in my c drive now, I cannot boot, I cannot repair I cannot function....
Thank You CCP
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:16:00 -
[1006]
Originally by: Ader
Please try and read atleast some of the thread before posting.
I'll boot.ini your ship, scratch your dvd if you can find it and disable your keyboard and mouse for good measure :-)
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Cassius Hawkeye
Minmatar
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:17:00 -
[1007]
Originally by: DrAtomic
3. If you are going to boot of your DVD then DONOT NOT NOT NOT reinstall, go to recovery console and fix the boot.ini from the command prompt.
Well i managed to reorder my boot order, and got my recovery disk working - unfortunatly i attempted to use the recovery console, and had no idea what to put, did some research and tried many suggestions in this thread none of which worked. Came back to the bottom and saw this, about 15 seconds after i clicked "reinstall" out of sheer frustration.
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:18:00 -
[1008]
People should be comming home from work soon to play Eve this Evening so i can guess this will only get nasty from here onwards and into tomorrow.
This has goto be one of the fastest growing threads in history,
Ill be telling my kids in years to come " I was there during the Great CCP Frakup"
Wow! Helping to make History is Awesome
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Mgrow
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:20:00 -
[1009]
Originally by: boiess
Hi, I use windows xp home SP1 and i upgraded and indeed lost my boot.ini file. However My computer did reboot, I just kept getting the message invalid boot ini booting from c:/ drive. How i fixed this was i did a google search on invalid boot ini and i found a post of the original boot ini for XP HOME. Note not XP pro. They are different in wording and not sure if will work. anywyas i right clicked my computer, hit advanced , hit start up and recovery settings tab, it opened up a note pad which in my case was blank, i simply copied the ini from the post i got from the google search and pasted it in note pad and hit apply , and it solved the issue. Here is the INI i used for microsoft windows XP home.
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
Hope this helps a lot of people and give ccp a break this was a huge expansion and of course issues are to be expected especially when running mac linux and windows simotaniously , personally i dont see how they do it .
Vlad
This fixed my problem, and I use sp2. Nice one Vlad! Even though it's basically excatly what I was trying to do manually, the comp obviousley just wanted to do it itself........
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Rojo Mojo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:20:00 -
[1010]
Originally by: Tiberius Xavier
- Start notepad (from accessories)
- Open the file C:\boot.ini
- If this file is not empty, then STOP!
- If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
- If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
- Save that as C:\boot.ini
- Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
- Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
- Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
I was concerned about RAID, however, I believe that the RAID driver is loaded prior to this BOOT.INI being read, and that the RAID array will be viewed as a logical device. I run RAID-0 Raptors, and this solution works for me.
If you don't know which version of windows you are running:
- Open the start menu
- Right-click My Computer
- Select Properties and the screen that comes should say in plain English.
If you don't know your partition, then best way to make sure you select the right drive in XP is to start diskmgmt.msc and see which partition is your 'C' drive.
- Type in diskmgmt.msc <enter>
- A new window titled 'Disk Management' and see which drive/partition it is under. Most likely, this is the first disk, first partition or multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) in MSFT speak. If it is the second partition, then put '2'. This is a 1 based count (perhaps because the MBR is 0?)
This above works like a charm and is much easier then the method on the Microsoft website
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Centerion X
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:20:00 -
[1011]
Just a quick note.
I am running Windows XP Home in RAID 0. My "local drive" is G: and I lost my boot.ini. If you load EVE on your "primary" hard drive, it dosnt mater whet letter it is the Boot.ini file will be hit. If you are running more then one drive and loaded EVE on your secondary, or additional drive (the one windows is not on) then you should be ok.
Hope that helps,
Cent
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:21:00 -
[1012]
Edited by: DrAtomic on 06/12/2007 17:21:09
Originally by: REALITY X
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: REALITY X
Well, I am semi-computer illiterate, and I have no idea what to do now. I'm just lucky I didn't turn my computer off before going to bed like I usually do.
I downloaded the "winxpboot.ini" file to C:\, renamed it to "boot.ini", went into msconfig and clicked on the "boot.ini" tab and then selected "Check all boot paths". At this point, I keep getting a "System Configuration Utility" error message which closes everything before the next steps can be done.
Is it okay that I just have this renamed file in C:\? Will I be able to restart my PC with no problems?
No you are not fine. Most likely the partition cant be found, change partition(1) to partition(2) and try again if that doesnt work try 3, rinse repeat untill msconfig runs without an error and validates your boot entries.
I appreciate your attempt to help, but I'm not so sure what part of "semi-computer illiterate" you did not understand.
1. Start -> run -> notepad <enter>
2. File -> open -> look in c:\
3. Files of type -> select all
4. select boot.ini -> open
5. You should see something like:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
6. Change the bolded part as said before until msconfig doesnt give errors anymore (remember to safe the file inbetween).
edit: 7. send me iskies I'm poor
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:21:00 -
[1013]
SOLUTION HERE
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=41#1212
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Troye
Gallente
Strix Armaments and Defence
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:21:00 -
[1014]
This bloody ridiculous, why wasnt this tested properly before release?
Ingame bugs and lag I can deal with but CCP should not be messing with our operating system.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:21:00 -
[1015]
Originally by: Commander Prishe
Its all the quiet people that dont read or post on the EVE forums I feel sorry for and the people that have 1 PC at home and stuck in Bios and totaly clueless what to do next.
There are people that will turn there pc on today and to put it simply it wont work. To these people nothing technical will be going though there minds just the words "the computer is broken" these are the people that will be paying some pc repair shop lots of money to fix this.
If any PC repair shop charges more than 5$ for this , they are stealing you. Any technician will identify the problem in 1 second as soon as it sees the windows message.
ALSO, people that were not running on admin account were not affected. Its their fault if they were using the system in a way its not supposed to. CCP is guilty yes, but those people are as well. People that formated their PC without calling to any technician or friend are also guilty.
If I arrive with my car at a self service gas station, look for water to put at my radiator. The bucket (or whatever for the example) is empty. Ok the gas station made a mistake and now you cannot operate. Up to here its their fault. If you decide to put gasoline in your radiator and your car explode, its YOUR fault.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:21:00 -
[1016]
Originally by: Commander Prishe
Its all the quiet people that dont read or post on the EVE forums I feel sorry for and the people that have 1 PC at home and stuck in Bios and totaly clueless what to do next.
There are people that will turn there pc on today and to put it simply it wont work. To these people nothing technical will be going though there minds just the words "the computer is broken" these are the people that will be paying some pc repair shop lots of money to fix this.
Agreed. And, last post on this I swear, some of us didn't get error messages. Black screen, that's all (not 100% sure why, but looks like an interaction with SATA). If I hadn't spotted this mentioned on another site, I'd probably be merrily reformatting Windows by now, as every indication was that the partition itself was screwed.
Heaven help anyone with a RAID array that requires drivers...
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Zycorax II
UNITED KINGDOM MAYHEM
Visions of Warfare
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:22:00 -
[1017]
Should I reinstall EVE after fixing the boot.ini, or can I just go on and play as usual?
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Funny Stuff
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:23:00 -
[1018]
Edited by: Funny Stuff on 06/12/2007 17:24:33
Well All I can say is thank you very much CCp !! I just bought and got a brand new laptop that I payed alot of money for just to have it not boot anymore.
I for one am not a big forum reader and when they say the new upgrade is ready and online then I take it as they have taken steps to make sure that it is actually up and running correctly.
Now on my laptop I have win xp pro with sp 2 and it was hit as well but it gave me the error that the "hal.dll " was missing and wouldnt boot. I had to go to work so I had shut down my laptop not knowing that there was an issue then when I got home low and behold I start up my brand new laptop and Kaaabooom not boot.
But I can assure you that when it is time to make your payment to CCP that they arent going to think twice about what they did and take your damn payment anyway..
So damn much for your FREE upgrades hey ? Hell i dont think even EA has made this bad of a mistake and they are bad when it comes to patches..
Thanks a ton CCP for screwing up a brand new machine hell not even a week old nice job !!!!!
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:23:00 -
[1019]
Originally by: 45thTiger 002
You are a bit noobish, the in game patch to the new client broke it. No longer can it work its devilish deeds, it has been fixed.
what part of "with the so called faulty patch" were noobish?
All I'm saying is that it appearently didn't mess up any of the computers I upgraded to premium (again, I used the so called faulty patch from classic to premium).
And I still think that microsoft are the problem and not CCP (even if naming a program file boot.ini when your writing software for windows is a bit stupid, but I've seen worse things).
cheers
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45thTiger 002
The Perfect Storm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:23:00 -
[1020]
google news now gone from 1 to 12 posts about this
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Cor'len
Crazy Canucks
Blue Sun Trust
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:23:00 -
[1021]
I'd like to ask everyone to just chill out - especially if you're affected. Running into it headfirst and hoping it'll just magically resolve itself is doomed to cause a lot of problems later on.
Read the first post. Do the steps - I suffered from the problem myself, but my computer booted anyhow. Woe me.
It's not hard to fix it. It'll take an hour, tops - yes, it'll suck if you don't have any other computers, but I'm of the distinct impression that if you aren't capable of fixing a single little error yourself - regardless of what caused it - you should probably step away from the keyboard, phone your local newspaper, and put in a sell order. Uh. Or whatever they're called.
Go make yourself a recovery disk (Knoppix live CD, etc) this instant if you don't have your windows XP disk avaliable. You might need it for other occassions too - better safe than sorry.
For those that want to have my head on a platter for suggesting they're incompetent, please sod off and buy a Mac.
-Cor
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:23:00 -
[1022]
Originally by: Troye
This bloody ridiculous, why wasnt this tested properly before release?
Ingame bugs and lag I can deal with but CCP should not be messing with our operating system.
Sadly it was also reported on the forum by one person in an obscure forum post.... Use the bloody bug reports imo...
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Ostr0mir
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:23:00 -
[1023]
My Windows XP SP2 + all latest patches is immune to this problem. One of the latest MS patches should have helped.
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parrowdox
Caldari
Vitai Lampada
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:24:00 -
[1024]
ok i thouhgt i was fine
i have xp media centre an turned of flast night an rebooted an was stil working
eve jus crashed so i rebooted, then appears an invalid boot.ini however rather than dieing there it allowed me to log back in and type this?
what is going on, why am i half borked?
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Jackie Brown
Order Of The Sentinel
Phoenix Rising Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:24:00 -
[1025]
I have the same version of Windows XP SP2 on a PC and a Laptop, I updated both machines identically, at the same time by downloading the updated content ingame.
Laptop was un-effected, however my PC had the boot.ini destroyed... so this doesn't seem to be an exact science
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N2IHC
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:24:00 -
[1026]
So, say I downloaded the content patch last night, but didn't install it. It was before 04:00 GMT. If I uninstall eve, do a fresh reinstall off of a new download and a new content patch, will i be fine? Or do i have to worry my computer wont restart even if i just d/l'ed the content and not installed it?
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:24:00 -
[1027]
Originally by: Zycorax II
Should I reinstall EVE after fixing the boot.ini, or can I just go on and play as usual?
No need to reinstall eve...
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Damnitaalso
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:24:00 -
[1028]
Originally by: Kuristafaa
Woke, up, booted my system. Everything seemed fine.
I read the notice on the EVE loader page and checked my system and discovered no boot.ini file. There is a backup boot.ini file, in my system folder, though (don't know if that matters).
My questions are:
1. Since my computer booted do I have nothing to worry about?
2. If not, is it okay if I copy the boot.ini backup file and place it on the C: drive? The date on the backup file is December 2006.. don't know if that matters.
Chris
You should be ok, I wouldnt copy that old Boot file across.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:25:00 -
[1029]
Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 17:27:23
Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 17:25:37
Something that should be noted for those less technically adept among us. This mistake will not "kill" a computer. It will prevent it from booting until it is properly repaired, which many will not know how to do themselves, but it is not ruining any equipment nor is it deleting all the data on the system. It's a recoverable event, its just unfortunate /=.
My heart goes out to the PR team and the dev squad who probably didn't get any sleep last night.
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"What's it like being a turtle?"
"It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce."
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:25:00 -
[1030]
Edited by: Linden Dixon on 06/12/2007 17:26:42
Their biggest real issue is that they can't contact people with this problem, as if your computer breaks, then you can't read emails/forums. I think the people on here represent a tiny minority of those affected, as most people do not have access to a 2nd machine, and most people who do have would never ever assume Eve did this.
Also, they've hit their most loyal and passionate fans the hardest, as they would have been the ones waiting for the patch and installing it the second it came out. Casual users are probably safer.
My experience of dealing with CCP through petitions is that they are INCREDIBLY stingy. They don't give a flying turd if you leave or not. I lost ships through server problems and they told me to go out there and work hard to replace it.
So don't get your hopes up for getting compensation.
Hopefully CCP will get stung by this, they deserve it. It really is poor testing to leave a problem like this in a public patch.
Also have a thought for the developers who spent months and long hours developing this, and were looking forward to a party tonight. They've had their day/week/month/year ruined by some moron who didn't check the code properly.
I don't understand people blaming Microsoft, that's like saying you can sue Ford because a mechanic removes your spark plugs.
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Karrde CZ
Minmatar
CHON
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:26:00 -
[1031]
I'll be surprised if CCP doesn't land a sh1tload of lawsuits very soon.
Deleting files that are NOT PROPERTY OF CCP should be a criminal offense (or at least a misdemeanor). It's pretty much destruction of private property.
cheers.
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Darth Ninjabadger
Caldari
m3 Corp
Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:26:00 -
[1032]
Originally by: Frygok
I'm devastated...
have Windows XP pro, and an account key allowing us to have the same XP on several comps. This means I don't have my XP cd, which again means that I now have a computer that cannot start up windows requiring the hal.dll file.
CCP's advice is useless, as I simply do not have the cd for it. Is there any way I can reboot windows in a secure way without the boot.ini and then restore? Or is my 15 pages of uni project I've worked on during the last couple of days lost?
How you managed to **** this up so hard I cannot comprehend, but I am in shock...
I can appreciate that you upset that your computer is down but I don't see how the data is lost unless you reformat the harddrive. In order to reinstall if you had formatted it would require the use of a windows CD and if you have a copy of that then you can fix the issue without reformatting.
I had to fix the same issue this morning for a presentation I had to give. I used the method laid out by CCP and Microsoft and all was well again. The only note for the non US people is that the recovery console uses the US keyboard layout. Therefore you might want to change the keyboard type as the recovery setup starts to the layout appropriate to your laptops point of origin, or the password my not get entered as you typed.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:26:00 -
[1033]
Originally by: N2IHC
So, say I downloaded the content patch last night, but didn't install it. It was before 04:00 GMT. If I uninstall eve, do a fresh reinstall off of a new download and a new content patch, will i be fine? Or do i have to worry my computer wont restart even if i just d/l'ed the content and not installed it?
No you should be fine. Its the actual installer that removes boot.ini. Just downloading it won't harm your computer. (UNLESS if your talking about downloading the premium content using your eve client).
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:27:00 -
[1034]
Originally by: Zycorax II
Should I reinstall EVE after fixing the boot.ini, or can I just go on and play as usual?
Go play as usual. WinXP has a file named boot.ini and so has Eve, bug in the Eve patch deleted the one in the root (which is where your windows one resides if you have eve installed on your system partition), Eve wrote itself a new boot.ini in the eve directory as part of the installation. So after you fixed your XP EVE is fine as well as is the rest of your data.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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oniplE
Aliastra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:27:00 -
[1035]
Edited by: oniplE on 06/12/2007 17:27:17
Edited by: oniplE on 06/12/2007 17:27:09
This might have been posted before, but this showed up on a dutch tech site. "Voor" means before, "Na" = after. Thought it was pretty funny.
Before - After
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Groox
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:27:00 -
[1036]
Hm. That's why Jita today was relatively playable.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:28:00 -
[1037]
Originally by: Karrde CZ
I'll be surprised if CCP doesn't land a sh1tload of lawsuits very soon.
Deleting files that are NOT PROPERTY OF CCP should be a criminal offense (or at least a misdemeanor). It's pretty much destruction of private property.
cheers.
Never get into law, ever.
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"It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce."
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Mgrow
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:28:00 -
[1038]
Originally by: parrowdox
ok i thouhgt i was fine
i have xp media centre an turned of flast night an rebooted an was stil working
eve jus crashed so i rebooted, then appears an invalid boot.ini however rather than dieing there it allowed me to log back in and type this?
what is going on, why am i half borked?
I was having the same problem, see if you can follow the instructions I quoted above^^. You'll need to find a media centre boot.ini script from somewhere though.......
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Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:28:00 -
[1039]
Originally by: Darth Ninjabadger
Originally by: Frygok
I'm devastated...
have Windows XP pro, and an account key allowing us to have the same XP on several comps. This means I don't have my XP cd, which again means that I now have a computer that cannot start up windows requiring the hal.dll file.
CCP's advice is useless, as I simply do not have the cd for it. Is there any way I can reboot windows in a secure way without the boot.ini and then restore? Or is my 15 pages of uni project I've worked on during the last couple of days lost?
How you managed to **** this up so hard I cannot comprehend, but I am in shock...
I can appreciate that you upset that your computer is down but I don't see how the data is lost unless you reformat the harddrive. In order to reinstall if you had formatted it would require the use of a windows CD and if you have a copy of that then you can fix the issue without reformatting.
I had to fix the same issue this morning for a presentation I had to give. I used the method laid out by CCP and Microsoft and all was well again. The only note for the non US people is that the recovery console uses the US keyboard layout. Therefore you might want to change the keyboard type as the recovery setup starts to the layout appropriate to your laptops point of origin, or the password my not get entered as you typed.
Use a windows XP bootdisk from www.bootdisk.com instead of the windows xp cd to fix it.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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KTaipan
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:28:00 -
[1040]
Originally by: Confuzer
:(
I also couldn't start my comp, but needed the laptop that day for work so did a reinstall.
I don't know anything about computers so started up something with partition stuff.
I re-installed windows and now I can't find any files. Everything is empty. Work files, family photo's and video's which weren't backed up, passwords and sourcecode of all my projects which wasn't backed up.
What to do? My whole life is a mess now...
jk, just gonna repair and place a boot.ini when I get home.
But what if... what if...
Please contact me ingame (if possible) evemail or if I am online (usually I will be possibly online from 12:00amGMT to 4:00am GMT) and I will walk you thru your computer - I think there is a chance that I can retrieve your data.
Also - I have some skills with windows XP - anyone who needs help - I will do my best to help you (in the time that I have) if you send me an evemail. |
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Skarvl Mandoo
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:28:00 -
[1041]
This is a monumental fuc k up on CCP's part. How does this slip past your QA department? Your QA lead had better be fired today, this isn't a minor faux pas.
To all of the dipshi ts trying to lay blame on the end-user by throwing the EULA in their face or saying it's an easy fix, go fuc k yourself. A 'competent' development team doesn't allow a bug like this slip through to the end-user.
Jesus, CCP, can you EVER release a patch that isn't fuc ked up in one way or another? This is unbelievable.
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Archlander
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:29:00 -
[1042]
I just love the people saying I don't blame CCP I blame Microsoft lmao. That's like saying I just got hit and run by a mad driver but I don't blame him I blame BMW for allowing him to run me over. FGS get a life!
We all know things like this can happen but it's just such a simple lack of quality control that has caused 1000's of $ and ú to alot of people playing this game. I also think the amoeba who bragged he fixed it in an hour and all others shud just shut up should understand that if ur computer stops working and u have 1 machine and ur not a PC guru how on gods green earth wud u know how to fix it.
Seriously some people need to think of others not just I'm alright Jack.
A massive thanks to all the helpful hints in this thread u have been lifesavers :).
Tyvm indeed :)
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:29:00 -
[1043]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Commander Prishe
Its all the quiet people that dont read or post on the EVE forums I feel sorry for and the people that have 1 PC at home and stuck in Bios and totaly clueless what to do next.
There are people that will turn there pc on today and to put it simply it wont work. To these people nothing technical will be going though there minds just the words "the computer is broken" these are the people that will be paying some pc repair shop lots of money to fix this.
If any PC repair shop charges more than 5$ for this , they are stealing you. Any technician will identify the problem in 1 second as soon as it sees the windows message.
ALSO, people that were not running on admin account were not affected. Its their fault if they were using the system in a way its not supposed to. CCP is guilty yes, but those people are as well. People that formated their PC without calling to any technician or friend are also guilty.
First off, most PC repair shops are out there to steal from you. They take helpless saps and screw them over. See Geeksquad, Firedog, or any of the other US, major retailer based PC repairers.
Second, I don't run as an admin and guess what...still hit me. Also got my PC at work where I don't run as an admin. So, you might check your facts before going on an epic rant.
Alright, now that that is out of the way:
Anyone needing help can contact me. I am the Director of IT for a highschool, I know a tad about what to do and how to fix it. Catch me on email at dumpsterdivinggeek(a)gmail.com. If anyone is in my general area (Northern VA, Shenandoah Valley) and needs a housecall I could be persuaded to drive out and give your poor sick computer a looksy.
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Lexus Fatel
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:29:00 -
[1044]
OK so I installed the patch before 4:00 GMT today.
I followed the instructions to see if I had a boot.ini file and when I go to system to check for the file, and I press settings a window comes up saying this: "The C:\boot.ini file can not be opened. Operating system and time out settings cannot be changed."
But the weird thing is that I have already turned off my computer about 4 times since I patched and I still booted as I would normally do. So do I have the problem or not?
I tried looking for the file in C:\ and C:\windows but there is nothing there, and yes I did do the show hidden files.
Any Ideas? I have XP home SP2.
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Skaaj
FireStar Inc
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:29:00 -
[1045]
If you open an e-mail from a friend with a program in it he says to run and you run it and it deletes systems critical files, then it's your fault.
YOU downloaded the full patch with graphics
YOU ran the program and agreed to let it make changes to your PC
end of story
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:29:00 -
[1046]
Originally by: Karrde CZ
I'll be surprised if CCP doesn't land a sh1tload of lawsuits very soon.
Deleting files that are NOT PROPERTY OF CCP should be a criminal offense (or at least a misdemeanor). It's pretty much destruction of private property.
cheers.
Then I shall sue all the makers of anti virus programs for deleting my viruses ;p
Or maybe sue microsoft for having an in built "uninstaller" in their OS....
and good luck with trying to sue CCP... Iceland still hunts whales ya know..
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Aakin
Gallente
Intergalactical Space Dwarfs
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:30:00 -
[1047]
I am one of the others that have have the strange thing to be missing a Boot.ini file, and yet still being able to boot. (and no I have not read all 44 pages of discussion). I actually did the tipp from page 1 where someone pasted a boot.ini and how you use msconfig. And As before, I still can reboot, but now with a valid boot.ini.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:31:00 -
[1048]
Originally by: Lexus Fatel
OK so I installed the patch before 4:00 GMT today.
I followed the instructions to see if I had a boot.ini file and when I go to system to check for the file, and I press settings a window comes up saying this: "The C:\boot.ini file can not be opened. Operating system and time out settings cannot be changed."
But the weird thing is that I have already turned off my computer about 4 times since I patched and I still booted as I would normally do. So do I have the problem or not?
I tried looking for the file in C:\ and C:\windows but there is nothing there, and yes I did do the show hidden files.
Any Ideas? I have XP home SP2.
You are fine if you can bootup your WinXP, the whole boot.ini drama would prevent you from loading up WinXP, so gratz and go play happily!
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we are screwed.
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Snasty
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:31:00 -
[1049]
This is a disgrace, nothing less.
My XP CD is over 70 miles away, as bad luck has it, and I shouldnt need the bloody thing anyway if even the lamest of testing had taken place...
AND THEN to make matters worse they give me instructions to replace boot.ini, which I did and hey-nonny-nonny hal.dll is wanted also. Now having booted I have lost the opportunity I had to deal with that issue there and then.
To say I'm unhappy is an understatement of epic proportions.
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Ciara Daag
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:32:00 -
[1050]
Originally by: Seeker Logos
Well thank God I was able to get my boot.ini back in...Will it remain if I play Eve now? Is there something else I must do now?
Now for all those who are badrapping CCP and talking crap, ask yourself this....Are you so damn perfect? Do you not make any mistakes? If so go to your local church because you might be the Savior returned. However you are not..we all are not perfect. So before you whine about your lost time, or the long work you have to do to fix this think about all the man hours and such that the guys at CCP put into this so YOU could enjoy the EVE experience. So they made a mistake..wipe your eyes and get over it...It will get fixed as usual and you can move on to doing your thing. Stop acting like spoiled brats and remember there is only one man who is infallible and you sure are not he.
Thank you CCP for trying and for bringing us this most awesome game.
Yes,this was an accident. Yes,the EULA im sure protects eve against any damages they may have caused. Its always a small possibility that a software install will seriously screw things up. These things do happen.but the fact is,people have a right to be angry.
This is however a huge huge mistake. It will not only cost many people time,but money. It was preventable. Furthermore,CCP mishandled the situation. While I was on in the early hours last night,I saw one message about it. It should have been spammed every 5 minutes so that they could reach as many people as possible.
At the end of the day poor victims who do not have the knowledge,readily available friends with disks,or spare computers to help fix this,will have to either take their computers to a computer store,or call their computers tech support. The tech support will most likely tell them to do a system restore. They will not even know that eve caused the problem until they get their computer back up. If they have to take it to a shop,they will be charged around $100 to fix it,that is if the shop is honest.Sometime this weekend,they will have their computers back,and find out that it wasnt a random problem,it was ccps patch that did this. CCP should compensate these people. It seems reasonable that people should be able to submit a receipt for their repairs and get at least a couple months of free eve or something.
As for spoiled brats,I have to agree,anyone who is posting on the forum is not badly impacted. With a little work,they can get back up and running. You can download a bootcd with a live linux installation that will get you back in. There are other ways to fix it as well. If you ask around here,people will help. The problem isn't the people here,its the people that are not here. There are a lot of people out there that have rebooted or will reboot their computers and wont realize what happened. They wont even know to come here and look for a solution,and even if they did will have no way to do so. They will have no one who can help them. They will do what most people do with their computers when they break,pay someone to fix it. Then they will log in and find out that it was CCP that did this to them. Wouldn't you be angry if you just spent $100 to fix their screw up?
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 -
[1051]
People people! Calm yourselves. The Boot.ini File can be written with a text editor (notepad) and added yourself. Assuming you have a basic system with one HDD that your system runs on, or one OS for that matter all you have to do is paste the text from a Boot.ini for your system into Notepad and save it as boot.ini That will load everything just the way it should, if that doesnt work then there is something different about your computer than the basic setup and you should know what that is and be able find how to fix it in the ini. Spend less time *****in and more time thinking and you should be over it real quick.
If none of your attempts that was work, find your install cd, put it in a boot off of it, when it askes you what you want to do, tell it that you want to try to recover using Console, when that pops open type "bootcfg /add" wait for it to search through your disk or disks and when it gives you options, if so, pick one, when asks for a name, call it whatever you want, when it gets to the thrid question, just hit enter.
For the Folks at school using School computers to play games...Shame, but look in the computer next to the one you are on and get the file to copy across. Any good IT guy would have tried to get all those computers as close to the same as possible. I had the Bug, I couldnt reboot, I have only one computer and now I am back on. 20 minutes.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 -
[1052]
Just a note, it's equally as outrageous to demand the firing and total disruption of some poor sap who misplaced a "/" somewhere amongst billions of lines of code. But then again, people are out for blood, and being sensible is out the window for most people right now.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 -
[1053]
Originally by: Skaaj
YOU downloaded the full patch with graphics
YOU ran the program and agreed to let it make changes to your PC
end of story
Possibly the most foolish thing I have read in 44 pages...
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 -
[1054]
Originally by: Snasty
This is a disgrace, nothing less.
My XP CD is over 70 miles away, as bad luck has it, and I shouldnt need the bloody thing anyway if even the lamest of testing had taken place...
AND THEN to make matters worse they give me instructions to replace boot.ini, which I did and hey-nonny-nonny hal.dll is wanted also. Now having booted I have lost the opportunity I had to deal with that issue there and then.
To say I'm unhappy is an understatement of epic proportions.
Use a WinXp bootdisk from www.bootdisk.com instead it will allow you to get into WinXP and fix it from within XP itself.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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annoing
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 -
[1055]
Edited by: annoing on 06/12/2007 17:34:32
Originally by: Seeker Logos
Well thank God I was able to get my boot.ini back in...Will it remain if I play Eve now? Is there something else I must do now?
Now for all those who are badrapping CCP and talking crap, ask yourself this....Are you so damn perfect? Do you not make any mistakes? If so go to your local church because you might be the Savior returned. However you are not..we all are not perfect. So before you whine about your lost time, or the long work you have to do to fix this think about all the man hours and such that the guys at CCP put into this so YOU could enjoy the EVE experience. So they made a mistake..wipe your eyes and get over it...It will get fixed as usual and you can move on to doing your thing. Stop acting like spoiled brats and remember there is only one man who is infallible and you sure are not he.
Thank you CCP for trying and for bringing us this most awesome game.
Wow, how brown is your tongue?
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Centerion X
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 -
[1056]
Originally by: Linden Dixon
Edited by: Linden Dixon on 06/12/2007 17:26:42
Their biggest real issue is that they can't contact people with this problem, as if your computer breaks, then you can't read emails/forums. I think the people on here represent a tiny minority of those affected, as most people do not have access to a 2nd machine, and most people who do have would never ever assume Eve did this.
Also, they've hit their most loyal and passionate fans the hardest, as they would have been the ones waiting for the patch and installing it the second it came out. Casual users are probably safer.
My experience of dealing with CCP through petitions is that they are INCREDIBLY stingy. They don't give a flying turd if you leave or not. I lost ships through server problems and they told me to go out there and work hard to replace it.
So don't get your hopes up for getting compensation.
Hopefully CCP will get stung by this, they deserve it. It really is poor testing to leave a problem like this in a public patch.
Also have a thought for the developers who spent months and long hours developing this, and were looking forward to a party tonight. They've had their day/week/month/year ruined by some moron who didn't check the code properly.
I don't understand people blaming Microsoft, that's like saying you can sue Ford because a mechanic removes your spark plugs.
here here, I agree totally
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:33:00 -
[1057]
I dont know if this will help anyone, though i had installed the premium patch last night and turned my pc off. Pc seems to have booted up ok.
However my primary boot is not the C: drive, perhaps this may have assisted in keeping my puter sane, I don't know.
I'm running XP pro 64bit if that will help anyone
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Archlander
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:35:00 -
[1058]
Originally by: Enzlo Kurns
I dont know if this will help anyone, though i had installed the premium patch last night and turned my pc off. Pc seems to have booted up ok.
However my primary boot is not the C: drive, perhaps this may have assisted in keeping my puter sane, I don't know.
I'm running XP pro 64bit if that will help anyone
Ye it will only affect people who run Eve on the Primary disk as there will not be a boot.ini on any other disk. Hence why you didn't have a problem :)
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Kingslayer2
Gallente
Zandahr Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:35:00 -
[1059]
ive rebooted 2 times,im running win xp home w/sp2 i still have the file and can still play eve,it might be that i have eve installed on my slave drive and not my master
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fathitman
Gallente
Woopatang
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:35:00 -
[1060]
I demand a Free Ship or my Choice!
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:35:00 -
[1061]
Originally by: JeanLuc Rome
Originally by: Sgt Zim
Edited by: Sgt Zim on 06/12/2007 15:56:19
EDIT........Oh and don't fire anyone thats just lame nonsense and looking for a scapegoat never solved anything - crap happens
This is a serious real-life problem buddy. In real-life what do you think your boss would do to you if you crash a entire network just because the name of a simple file. Common sense dictates that "there are" people who should look at this things and make sure it doesn't happen, specially a gross mistake like this one.
Norton did the same thing when they crashed over 100000 computers in China, it's not looking for a scapegoat, it's called "creating an example to make sure this doesn't happen again"
Actually, "creating an example to make sure this doesn't happen again" is looking for a scapegoat.
I got 15 not 14 error messages when I used the ccp suggested fix. I am afraid to hit apply until somebody lets me know what the results are if I get 15 error messages.
Thank you.
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fallen merovigean
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:36:00 -
[1062]
Edited by: fallen merovigean on 06/12/2007 17:36:32
Well why others are cryin and what not, someone HELPPPPPP lol im glad i just let my comp idle overnight, yes i did DL prem. yes im a windows user sp2 user, and YES IM FKING COMPUTER stupid :) Ok what I'm doing as per a response is uninstalling eve all together, will this reomve the prem. update? (my comp come to find out cant run it :( so new comp at xmas time) if no stop your damn who ha's and what nots for now and someone help the village idoit.
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Fritz Zarathustra
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:36:00 -
[1063]
Save debate and complaing for later please! We all have the same first priority, to get our computers and eve to work again so stop making me read all your whining in search for clues!
Unfortunally I did reboot before I heard of the issue and my pc is giving me the hal.dll-error. Since I bought my PC from the trolls at Dell I didnt get a XP-cd. So I have been trying to get it to work by  installing the harddrive into this other PC Im using right now to be able to replace the boot.ini - but with no success any thoughts? Anyone else tried this with any success?
I even tried with the boot.ini.backup (-"backup"), with no luck...
It gives the same error or another something about wanting kernel for dll?? This depending wether I put 1's or 2's in the .ini (using notepad).
I also did the suggested run > cmd manuever but unsure wehter that works since im not running my PC's OS, but rather the one installed on this computer (err, you still with me?).
[BTW > CCP, the glimpse I got last night of the premium exp... fantastic!]
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Skaaj
FireStar Inc
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:37:00 -
[1064]
Originally by: Lexus Fatel
OK so I installed the patch before 4:00 GMT today.
I followed the instructions to see if I had a boot.ini file and when I go to system to check for the file, and I press settings a window comes up saying this: "The C:\boot.ini file can not be opened. Operating system and time out settings cannot be changed."
But the weird thing is that I have already turned off my computer about 4 times since I patched and I still booted as I would normally do. So do I have the problem or not?
I tried looking for the file in C:\ and C:\windows but there is nothing there, and yes I did do the show hidden files.
Any Ideas? I have XP home SP2.
Might be in the tools>folder options > view and uncheck the hide protected operating system files (recommended)
and then check, you should see boot.ini, but remember to check this box when you are done ;)
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:37:00 -
[1065]
Originally by: Enzlo Kurns
I dont know if this will help anyone, though i had installed the premium patch last night and turned my pc off. Pc seems to have booted up ok.
However my primary boot is not the C: drive, perhaps this may have assisted in keeping my puter sane, I don't know.
I'm running XP pro 64bit if that will help anyone
People are only affected if:
1. they patched up to premium before 4 AM
2. they run a flavor of Windows XP
3. Have EvE installed on the same partition (drive) as Windows
You fail #3 by the sound of it hence you are not affected.
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we are screwed.
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Darth Ninjabadger
Caldari
m3 Corp
Friend or Enemy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:37:00 -
[1066]
Originally by: Snasty
This is a disgrace, nothing less.
My XP CD is over 70 miles away, as bad luck has it, and I shouldnt need the bloody thing anyway if even the lamest of testing had taken place...
AND THEN to make matters worse they give me instructions to replace boot.ini, which I did and hey-nonny-nonny hal.dll is wanted also. Now having booted I have lost the opportunity I had to deal with that issue there and then.
To say I'm unhappy is an understatement of epic proportions.
I saw the same error this morning with the Boot.ini problem, I had to actually look hard to spot the Boot.ini issue as the hal.dll pops up immediately after. Looks like your boot.ini is still broken. Your going to need the boot disk or XP re installation CD
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:37:00 -
[1067]
Originally by: Snasty
This is a disgrace, nothing less.
My XP CD is over 70 miles away, as bad luck has it, and I shouldnt need the bloody thing anyway if even the lamest of testing had taken place...
AND THEN to make matters worse they give me instructions to replace boot.ini, which I did and hey-nonny-nonny hal.dll is wanted also. Now having booted I have lost the opportunity I had to deal with that issue there and then.
To say I'm unhappy is an understatement of epic proportions.
HAL.dll gone? IF that happened than is a major M$ blow out. The main advertised advantage of windows XP was exactly its immunity of any attempt to delete of affect main system dll. ( and nothing, NOTHING is more important than Hal.dll, not even the kernel dll)
Well hope people learn that if they are computer illiterates they should not run their machines in administration mode on day-to day basis.
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Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:38:00 -
[1068]
Originally by: RossP Zoyka
Originally by: JeanLuc Rome
Originally by: Sgt Zim
Edited by: Sgt Zim on 06/12/2007 15:56:19
EDIT........Oh and don't fire anyone thats just lame nonsense and looking for a scapegoat never solved anything - crap happens
This is a serious real-life problem buddy. In real-life what do you think your boss would do to you if you crash a entire network just because the name of a simple file. Common sense dictates that "there are" people who should look at this things and make sure it doesn't happen, specially a gross mistake like this one.
Norton did the same thing when they crashed over 100000 computers in China, it's not looking for a scapegoat, it's called "creating an example to make sure this doesn't happen again"
Actually, "creating an example to make sure this doesn't happen again" is looking for a scapegoat.
I got 15 not 14 error messages when I used the ccp suggested fix. I am afraid to hit apply until somebody lets me know what the results are if I get 15 error messages.
Thank you.
If you managed to crash a major network because of a game you had installed on the server, you have NO business anywhere near servers or networking.
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MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:38:00 -
[1069]
Originally by: Trivas
Originally by: Johnny Gurkha
Fourthly: LOL at the name of this live Linux distribution that may help users inject a boot.ini into their Windows partition Trinity Rescue Kit
You sir, win this thread!!
coincidence? I THINK NOT!
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Porucznik Borewicz
Gallente
Pringles Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:38:00 -
[1070]
Edited by: Porucznik Borewicz on 06/12/2007 17:39:00
Yup, epic one. And I don't feel sorry really. Important computer work is... well important. You just don't keep one copy of it on the PC. There are flash drives, USB MP3 players, Knoppix like CD-run systems to copy the important stuff to other partition before reinstall. You should generally use Your brain all the time. Cheers!
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fallen merovigean
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:39:00 -
[1071]
Originally by: fallen merovigean
Edited by: fallen merovigean on 06/12/2007 17:36:32
Well why others are cryin and what not, someone HELPPPPPP lol im glad i just let my comp idle overnight, yes i did DL prem. yes im a windows user sp2 user, and YES IM FKING COMPUTER stupid :) Ok what I'm doing as per a response is uninstalling eve all together, will this reomve the prem. update? (my comp come to find out cant run it :( so new comp at xmas time) if no stop your damn who ha's and what nots for now and someone help the village idoit.
yea read above cause everyones cryin isnt gonna FIX MY crap* eve love you guys but my comp has other games on it :) eve is uninstalled now btw, how can i confirm the prem patch is not there ?
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Archlander
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:39:00 -
[1072]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Snasty
This is a disgrace, nothing less.
My XP CD is over 70 miles away, as bad luck has it, and I shouldnt need the bloody thing anyway if even the lamest of testing had taken place...
AND THEN to make matters worse they give me instructions to replace boot.ini, which I did and hey-nonny-nonny hal.dll is wanted also. Now having booted I have lost the opportunity I had to deal with that issue there and then.
To say I'm unhappy is an understatement of epic proportions.
It's not actually the hal.dll that is affected strangely it's MS way of saying no Boot.ini. The problem is like u I saw that and immediately thought hard disk or memory sim failure.
HAL.dll gone? IF that happened than is a major M$ blow out. The main advertised advantage of windows XP was exactly its immunity of any attempt to delete of affect main system dll. ( and nothing, NOTHING is more important than Hal.dll, not even the kernel dll)
Well hope people learn that if they are computer illiterates they should not run their machines in administration mode on day-to day basis.
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Fuglin Bonnet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:39:00 -
[1073]
Edited by: Fuglin Bonnet on 06/12/2007 17:46:40
I copied my post from the original thread over here in hopes it can help some people. Essentially this .bat automates CCP's directions for windows xp.
Edited by: Fuglin Bonnet on 06/12/2007 05:47:01
I made a small bat to generate a boot.ini for those who had it deleted.
Warning this is only for windows XP.
You can find the boot maker here.
The code is quoted below.
Quote:
@echo off
echo This brief batch file re-creates the boot.ini ccp so nicely deleted for you, press ctrl + c at the same time to exit
pause
cd c:\
IF NOT EXIST .\boot.ini GOTO MKBOOT
echo boot.ini already exsists
GOTO Q
:MKBOOT
echo [boot loader] >> boot.ini
echo timeout=30 >> boot.ini
echo default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS >> boot.ini
echo [operating systems] >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
attrib +h .\boot.ini
echo boot.ini generated on c:\ drive
GOTO Q
:Q
pause
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Ventir
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:39:00 -
[1074]
Wow now thats a ****up and a half.
Doing it for the lulz. I was effected but fixed this before I rebooted.
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MiliasColds
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:40:00 -
[1075]
i replaced my boot.ini easily enough, i mean i don't particularly understand how this could occur other. looking for /boot.ini when you are running in ...\ccp\eve\ should direct you to the proper file, unless windows was a douschbag.
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Hurog Turgon
Halfwits
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:40:00 -
[1076]
CCP now looks like it is a Bush league operation and will be laughed at by the professionals in the MMO industry.
Personally I expect some sort of compensation for any losses, as in time to fix and the person who is responsible to be retired.
A month free service for all three of my accounts would be a good start. I have more than one computer to fix this evening as well my wife is unable to do her homework for Grad School. I wonder which of my accounts is up for renewel next....
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Frygok
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:40:00 -
[1077]
Is there any chance, for someone without a windows xp cd-rom, to somehow fix the computer? Get the error when starting up... I have a laptop and that's about it.
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Vinez
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:41:00 -
[1078]
Edited by: Vinez on 06/12/2007 17:42:11
To the ones in the thread just ranting "..should be fired" blah blah blah. With computers sometimes **** happens. You think Microsoft haven't had problems with products they have delivered..the ones they have charged tons of money for..and that are supported by a huge Quality control department..of course they do!
So get over it!
Cheers for sorting the bug out so quickly CCP - and for the free update =)
Edit: Oh whoops and I forgot to say..to those of you so outraged. . when you leave... can I have your stuff? ;)
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Tripden
SGL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:41:00 -
[1079]
Feel sorry for all you guys that got f****up.
Just try to live by the rule to not play on the 1-2 day after patch coz it does not really pay off. I learned that in EQ1 and still live by that rule...
Hope all goes well...
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:41:00 -
[1080]
Originally by: Kordesh
Just a note, it's equally as outrageous to demand the firing and total disruption of some poor sap who misplaced a "/" somewhere amongst billions of lines of code. But then again, people are out for blood, and being sensible is out the window for most people right now.
It's not outrageous. This is a serious example of someone (or someones) not doing their job(s) and they should be punished. If a factory is producing sparkplugs for your car and a bunch come through faulty, and make it all the way out into cars, someone should be fired to take care of those who's cars didn't start. QA (quality assurance) is a big part of programming any major piece of software from a major company, which CCP is. It may be slightly outrageous to say "Oh, fire the programmer, hang him/shoot him/castrate him", but the QA guys/gals should definitely be given a severe going over and the department should be reworked.
It is CCP's responsibility to us as consumers to produce a product that is going to be safe to use, just as it is the responsibility of McDonald's to produce "safe" food. If McD's puts out burgers with E.Coli in them they get sued, so there should definitely be repercussions for CCP. That being said, the talk of lawsuits is quite premature. If CCP doesn't respond to this, sure..sue them to the best of your ability. FIRST, give them a change to respond and apologize for the damage they have caused. They have a lot of egg on their faces right now and I'd be willing to bet that there is a lot of finger pointing and name calling going on in Iceland right now.
Let them get this mess sorted out, make an official statement/response, then start talking lawsuits and reimbursement. For now, lets just get the problem fixed.
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EVE Offline...killing boot.ini with a single /
If anyone needs help cleaning up their PC after this mess, contact me at [email protected] |
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Terraisa Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:42:00 -
[1081]
CCP: So far, I have not seen any sign of a warning email regarding this issue; there are plenty of players who do not read these forums.
The mail would have come too late for me as my boot.ini. file got nuked. Fortunately my BIOS worked around it. Watch your boot sequence closely, even if your PC starts your ini. file may still be missing.
This coming hot on the heels of some of the worst, most inexplicable nerfs Ive ever seen just drives home the fact that CCP needs to establish a player based beta testing division and they need to listen to them.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:43:00 -
[1082]
Originally by: Hurog Turgon
CCP now looks like it is a Bush league operation and will be laughed at by the professionals in the MMO industry.
Personally I expect some sort of compensation for any losses, as in time to fix and the person who is responsible to be retired.
A month free service for all three of my accounts would be a good start. I have more than one computer to fix this evening as well my wife is unable to do her homework for Grad School. I wonder which of my accounts is up for renewel next....
Protip: Its not the first time this has happened in the MMO industry, let alone in gaming. In fact, WORSE issues have happened, such as viruses being disseminated by the patcher. As for expecting compensation, yeah, you go wait for that Mr. Entitlement.
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"It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce."
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Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:43:00 -
[1083]
Just a thought... How did this happen? I dont see the client deleting a criticle file without it being programmed to do so. Did CCP have a disgruntled employee or was this a legitimate accident? Being one of the victims of this scenario I would like to know how this could have happened and what steps will be taken to ensure that it wont occure again. Fortunatly I had the game on a separate computer so the damage to me was more annoying than anything. Had it been on a comp where I keep important files. I probably would have canceled my account. Depending on the outcome after I fixed the problem.
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:43:00 -
[1084]
Havent downloaded the "patch" yet. Is this fixed now or not??
I'm sad to hear so many people got hit by this and totaly agree with many other posts...if you install a patch to a game you really don't think that should effect your PC and possibly make it un-startable. Not all out there are experts and don't need to be either.
Regardless the first thing I would think about (and I am a so called "expert" since I've been working with the damn things since VIC20 and VIC64) would not be "Hey, I installed a game-patch earlier or yesterday and today when I start up the PC it will not work...let's go to the EVE forums and see why this happend...". It's a good thing I do have more than 1 PC at home so this is even possbile;)
If i'd installed a Microsoft patch...then it would be different.
It's good I do have partitions and backups and using Norton Ghost to make incrementel backups every day to another physical drive...and full backups 1 time/week. Come on CCP, you can throw any patch at me and I'll survive! ;)
Hope that all of you that have/had this problem got it fixed fairly fast and not lost any important documents/pictures.
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Damnitaalso
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:43:00 -
[1085]
Oh yes, and for the record, if you have ANY version of XP cd, or the OS that you are using, you can get to the recovery Console and do what I had explained a few posts back.
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Quentin Decker
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:43:00 -
[1086]
Really borked me over, got the blue screen early this morning, so as usual I reboot - got some error which I didn't have a clue was on about. So dug up my Dell resource disc and ran the diag the whole day... literally. Ended up being on hold with Dell tech support for close to an hour till a friend of mine managed to help me out over Xbox 360 MSN and got me fixed. Really got me worried since I have got work related info which I had not backed up yet which I would have obviously lost if I would have had to reformat, dealing a pretty crippling blow to my business.
Didn't even know games were not supposed to touch this stuff until I was told by the friend who helped me, thanks for the guide anyway put me back on my feet and taught me lesson to backup my files! :D
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Vinez
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:44:00 -
[1087]
Oh and also I'd love to speak to the managers of some of these people who are so quick to ask for others to be fired...would be great to know where to find a perfect employee who never makes a mistake ;)
May he without sin cast the first stone. . .
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mav9714
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:52:00 -
[1088]
Originally by: Da Grinch
oooooooh but i thought vista sucks and xp was the greatest! HAHAHA sorry for all of you XP'ers!
Good point, this just goes to show that Vista is a more stable and cooler platform. I don't know why everyone hates on it when it takes up just a few more resources, and provides for more options.
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Brackun
The Flying Mongooses
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:53:00 -
[1089]
Oh dear, I'm glad I logged into the Eve Online forums today!
Incase this hasn't been mentioned yet, you may have a backup of your boot.ini file stored in
Quote:
%systemroot%\pss
I do anyway.
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Yuna Higurashi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:54:00 -
[1090]
Apparently this doesn't affect all XP users, because I use windows XP and my boot.ini was there...
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Phil Exon
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:55:00 -
[1091]
Originally by: FuQue
Edited by: FuQue on 06/12/2007 17:50:14
CCP - Two processes you should be made aware of:
CHANGE MANAGEMENT
and
RELEASE MANAGEMENT
Look them up. Look up ITIL too. It'd go a long way to finding these issues before releasing them into the wild.
LOL. Little harsh :) **** happens. Lets not allow this major *uck up overshadow the great work they did with Trinity. Game looks amazing. Nonetheless, I haven't laughed soo hard in weeeks :) Thanks for that too
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Nabias
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:55:00 -
[1092]
thanks Tiberius Xavier for the instruction using note pad.
One question though....even though my boot.ini was missing i was able to boot my pc up this morning with out any problems? anyone know why?
I have a single sata hdd , could that be the reason why?
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:56:00 -
[1093]
Originally by: Polinus
And how do you know its the same employee? please, you shown to have zero understandign of how a company is managed.
I manage an IT Department with 15 employees and my own computer consulting firm on the side. I've got a slight understanding of management.
This is not something a "single" employee is responsible for. The whole QA department, read that clearly, the WHOLE department, is responsible for not catching this. Also notice where I said reworked. Maybe just the standards and procedures are bad. Maybe just management needs to be changed.
Read clearly before you jump down someone's throat. Remember, there are still smart people on the internets.
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EVE Offline...killing boot.ini with a single /
If anyone needs help cleaning up their PC after this mess, contact me at [email protected] |
Mr Cleann
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:56:00 -
[1094]
Originally by: Jollygood69
Havent downloaded the "patch" yet. Is this fixed now or not??
I'm sad to hear so many people got hit by this and totaly agree with many other posts...if you install a patch to a game you really don't think that should effect your PC and possibly make it un-startable. Not all out there are experts and don't need to be either.
Regardless the first thing I would think about (and I am a so called "expert" since I've been working with the damn things since VIC20 and VIC64) would not be "Hey, I installed a game-patch earlier or yesterday and today when I start up the PC it will not work...let's go to the EVE forums and see why this happend...". It's a good thing I do have more than 1 PC at home so this is even possbile;)
If i'd installed a Microsoft patch...then it would be different.
It's good I do have partitions and backups and using Norton Ghost to make incrementel backups every day to another physical drive...and full backups 1 time/week. Come on CCP, you can throw any patch at me and I'll survive! ;)
Hope that all of you that have/had this problem got it fixed fairly fast and not lost any important documents/pictures.
And I was begining to think I was the only one that had a Vic 20 or a C=64 lol. I think I have about every comodore computer that they came out with lol. And I can thank my late Grandmother for getting me interested in the computer industry. I think I'll name a ship after her.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:57:00 -
[1095]
Can someone explain, step by step, how to fix your computer without the XP cd-rom?
Some people talked about fixing XP within XP using a boot disk from bootdisk.com, but honestly I have no idea how do that. I'm sitting on a crappy laptop now, with my computer stuck in the vicious reboot-cycle.
I appriciate any help!
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FuQue
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:58:00 -
[1096]
Oh, I didn't mean for that to be harsh
I just wanted to let them know that this whole mess could have been avoided completely if proper processes were adhered to. And if their entire team aren't aware of these two simple processes, then maybe they should be made aware.
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fallen merovigean
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 17:59:00 -
[1097]
ok no one still replied to me please let me know, pretty please im tryin to follow ccps directions as in locateing my boot.ini atm, MY CD-ROM drive DOES NOT WORK AHAHAHA DAMN so much for the xp sp2 disc someone want mine?,i need help I heed help, i need help, i need help , i need help , my loabtop could be broken blah blah blah lol, umm but really helppppp lol this is mass confusion
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snipealot
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:02:00 -
[1098]
To late Help
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Fuglin Bonnet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:02:00 -
[1099]
Easy Automated Fix For computer that have already rebooted with windows xp
BootDisk.com has an excellent quick boot fixer for windows xp.
Just put a floppy in another computer and run the program. It will copy the files to the floppy. Than take the floppy out an put it in your broken computer and boot it up. It will restore your boot.ini. Take the floppy out and reboot.
Download bootfixer exe here.
Download bootfixer zip here
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:02:00 -
[1100]
Originally by: fallen merovigean
hey guess what someone read up before i ******* REBOOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ppl if your not affected the shut the **** up , i mean dym all your spamage is makein this hard one me seriously.
now read up at my 2 post on page 44 if its now past that
Fallen - have you read the posts in the beginning of this thread...say pages 2-3 or somewhere around there? Check if you have the boot.ini file somewhere...if not then recreate it as stated earlier...if you have it then you should be fine. But, if you do have important files I would in any case make a backup of these before you do anything else. A backup is good to have regardless
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Zel Nughat
Amarr
Nughat Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:03:00 -
[1101]
Originally by: Frygok
Edited by: Frygok on 06/12/2007 18:01:00
Can someone explain, step by step, how to fix your computer without the XP cd-rom?
Some people talked about fixing XP within XP using a boot disk from bootdisk.com, but honestly I have no idea how do that. I'm sitting on a crappy laptop now, with my computer stuck in the vicious reboot-cycle.
I appriciate any help!
EDIT: Oh yeah, my Boot Menu recognizes my USB drive when I plug in my iPOD, so I'm wondering if I could use my iPOD as a boot disk of some sort? dunno how though
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=41#1212
download the file, uncompress, place a diskette, execute exe, insert diskette into the laptop, boot to the diskette, copy boot.ini into your root filesystem
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LBytes
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:03:00 -
[1102]
EVE Boot.ini Torpedo missed D:\Eve completely
People wonder why you'd want separate partitions for games, archives, etc.. This is one reason why.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:04:00 -
[1103]
Originally by: Frygok
Edited by: Frygok on 06/12/2007 18:01:00
Can someone explain, step by step, how to fix your computer without the XP cd-rom?
Some people talked about fixing XP within XP using a boot disk from bootdisk.com, but honestly I have no idea how do that. I'm sitting on a crappy laptop now, with my computer stuck in the vicious reboot-cycle.
I appriciate any help!
EDIT: Oh yeah, my Boot Menu recognizes my USB drive when I plug in my iPOD, so I'm wondering if I could use my iPOD as a boot disk of some sort? dunno how though
if you can get a set of boot floppies made from a good installation of xp somewhere you can use a usb floppy to get a recovery console to repair your installation, but you will need access to a machine that has a working copy of xp installed on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824632/en-us
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TheLast0ne
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:04:00 -
[1104]
So, i did reboot my pc. Now it wont start. I do not have a windows xp cd. So now what can i do to fix this?
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:04:00 -
[1105]
Originally by: Fuglin Bonnet
I copied my post from the original thread over here in hopes it can help some people. Essentially this .bat automates CCP's directions for windows xp.
Edited by: Fuglin Bonnet on 06/12/2007 05:47:01
I made a small bat to generate a boot.ini for those who had it deleted.
Warning this is only for windows XP.
You can find the boot maker here.
The code is quotes below.
Quote:
@echo off
echo This brief batch file re-creates the boot.ini ccp so nicely deleted for you, press ctrl + c at the same time to exit
pause
cd c:\
IF NOT EXIST .\boot.ini GOTO MKBOOT
echo boot.ini already exsists
GOTO Q
:MKBOOT
echo [boot loader] >> boot.ini
echo timeout=30 >> boot.ini
echo default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS >> boot.ini
echo [operating systems] >> boot.ini
echo multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect >> boot.ini
attrib +h .\boot.ini
echo boot.ini generated on c:\ drive
GOTO Q
:Q
pause
WARNING: This only works if you have Windows XP installed on the first partition of your system.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Snasty
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:04:00 -
[1106]
Originally by: Fuglin Bonnet
Easy Automated Fix For computer that have already rebooted with windows xp
BootDisk.com has an excellent quick boot fixer for windows xp.
Just put a floppy in another computer and run the program. It will copy the files to the floppy. Than take the floppy out an put it in your broken computer and boot it up. It will restore your boot.ini. Take the floppy out and reboot.
Download bootfixer exe here.
Download bootfixer zip here
What's a floppy..?
Seriously though, good advice that will be appreciated by many, but, floppy drives? I havent seen one in ages..
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:05:00 -
[1107]
Originally by: Nabias
thanks Tiberius Xavier for the instruction using note pad.
One question though....even though my boot.ini was missing i was able to boot my pc up this morning with out any problems? anyone know why?
I have a single sata hdd , could that be the reason why?
Appearently it only affects users that have winXP and haven't allowed the system to upgrade to SP2.
end quotet response:
If this is the case then I recon alot of the poor victims have either ignored the M$ instructions to keep your system up to date (with the free automatic windows updates) or have a piracy copy of windows (and then I don't feel sad for them).
But then again there's probably a few who's run old versions of windows on machines powerful enough to use the "premium content" (but those should be minimal in nr).
And stop comparing software blame/flame with IRL manufacturing and such.
ps: and I hope all you loudmouths who screams for someone to get fired gets fired yourselves "permanently".
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Zayes
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:05:00 -
[1108]
boot.ini
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ooptypooptypants
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:05:00 -
[1109]
if this happens to u will it require a reinstall of windows or can it be fixed without that?
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:05:00 -
[1110]
I expected some problems with the patch as usual, but I didnt expect Eve to mess up the boot.ini... thats pretty bad...
Think ill wait a few days to install this patch...
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Karan Kaldarian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:05:00 -
[1111]
For users who have rebooted their computers after installing the Classic to Premium patch:
1. Boot from your OS cd and follow the directions to start Recovery Console. You must be logged in as the machine's local administrator.
2. Choose the corresponding number asked of you for your OS is on, normally its #1 Then type:
* Attrib -H -R -S C:\Boot.ini
* DEL C:\Boot.ini
* BootCfg /Rebuild
* Fixboot
Thank you very much for your help, it worked for me.
Yesterday night i upgraded both my pc (XP home SP2) and my nbook Dell (XP Home SP2) before 04.00 .
Today my pc booted normally, even without any boot.ini in route: my nbook didn¦t boot presenting this message :
root\system32\hal.dll is missing or corrupt, please re-install.
After a quick search on the web , I confirmed that HAL.DLL was related to the boot.ini missing.
So the above info from Eve worked fine for my nbook.
Just to be sure I restored a previous configuration on my pc end reinstalled Eve from zero.
Now I have a boot.ini (hidden) on my pc, but I still don¦t see any boot.ini in the route on my nbook, even if it¦s booting normally.
The only boot.ini I can find is in C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE, and it¦s related to Eve ......boh.
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Brav0o
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:06:00 -
[1112]
What if i don¦t have a "boot.ini" tab in the msconfig?
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Aphex Schwin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:06:00 -
[1113]
I don't know how the europeans do it, but where I come from someone would be fired for such a stupid mistake that affected such a large client group. How am I supposed to trust any future patches now?
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:06:00 -
[1114]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
I expected some problems with the patch as usual, but I didnt expect Eve to mess up the boot.ini... thats pretty bad...
Think ill wait a few days to install this patch...
It's been long fixed if you havent installed yet you can do so safely now.
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
My Top 10 List |
Deng Xiaojie
Gallente
Gemeinschaft interstellarer Soeldner
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:07:00 -
[1115]
well.. I didn¦t have ANY issues with boot.ini or connection problems, none of the troubles that were discussed here oO
I¦m using windows xp sp2 - corporate edition; win is on C, eve and other games on E... i hope everyone gets it running and doesn¦t lose any data!
best luck, Deng
He, the man, who makes a beast out of himself... (Dr. Johnson) |
Frygok
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:07:00 -
[1116]
Edited by: Frygok on 06/12/2007 18:12:29
Originally by: Zel Nughat
Originally by: Frygok
Edited by: Frygok on 06/12/2007 18:01:00
Can someone explain, step by step, how to fix your computer without the XP cd-rom?
Some people talked about fixing XP within XP using a boot disk from bootdisk.com, but honestly I have no idea how do that. I'm sitting on a crappy laptop now, with my computer stuck in the vicious reboot-cycle.
I appriciate any help!
EDIT: Oh yeah, my Boot Menu recognizes my USB drive when I plug in my iPOD, so I'm wondering if I could use my iPOD as a boot disk of some sort? dunno how though
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=41#1212
download the file, uncompress, place a diskette, execute exe, insert diskette into the laptop, boot to the diskette, copy boot.ini into your root filesystem
Thanks for the advice, but I don't have a floppy drive on my laptop. But that does sound like the easiest way of doing it. Now I just need a floppy disk and a friend with a floppy drive. Better than nothing.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:08:00 -
[1117]
Originally by: oopty****typants
if this happens to u will it require a reinstall of windows or can it be fixed without that?
No. Your computer is simply missing the file it needs to start up. If that file is restored the computer should work fine again.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:08:00 -
[1118]
Originally by: Aphex Schwin
I don't know how the europeans do it, but where I come from someone would be fired for such a stupid mistake that affected such a large client group. How am I supposed to trust any future patches now?
Let me guess you are from the United Sue Alot also known as the United Sack Alot?
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:08:00 -
[1119]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 06/12/2007 18:08:14
Originally by: DrAtomic
It's been long fixed if you havent installed yet you can do so safely now.
Ok, thanks for the heads up. :)
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Polinus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:08:00 -
[1120]
Originally by: Ailean Caldaire
Originally by: Polinus
And how do you know its the same employee? please, you shown to have zero understandign of how a company is managed.
I manage an IT Department with 15 employees and my own computer consulting firm on the side. I've got a slight understanding of management.
This is not something a "single" employee is responsible for. The whole QA department, read that clearly, the WHOLE department, is responsible for not catching this. Also notice where I said reworked. Maybe just the standards and procedures are bad. Maybe just management needs to be changed.
Read clearly before you jump down someone's throat. Remember, there are still smart people on the internets.
So you saying just fire 1 random person for a mistake that was whoel team fault? Aaa very smart of you. Now you know with your employees don invite you for their parties.
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FelonyFruitFlinger
Epiphyte Mining and Exploration
Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:08:00 -
[1121]
Originally by: fallen merovigean
ok no one still replied to me please let me know, pretty please im tryin to follow ccps directions as in locateing my boot.ini atm, MY CD-ROM drive DOES NOT WORK AHAHAHA DAMN so much for the xp sp2 disc someone want mine?,i need help I heed help, i need help, i need help , i need help , my loabtop could be broken blah blah blah lol, umm but really helppppp lol this is mass confusion
Let me add that my Windows XP installer CD did NOT work. I never made it to the 'repair utility' or whatever. Once it started booting from the CD-ROM it only got so far before BSOD'ing 'windows has encountered a problem and go **** yourself the end'
What I did: I took the hard disk out this morning and took it to work where I very covertly borrowed a USD hard disk casing. I fired up a second computer and attached this "USB drive" to replace the boot.ini manually. This worked for me, but maybe not an option for many people.
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JADE DRAG0NESS
Dark Scorpions
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:08:00 -
[1122]
On page 3 a dev makes a post that gives a fix that i found works try that its easy you just need windows access and notepad.
"Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god."
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:09:00 -
[1123]
Originally by: fallen merovigean
ok no one still replied to me please let me know, pretty please im tryin to follow ccps directions as in locateing my boot.ini atm, MY CD-ROM drive DOES NOT WORK AHAHAHA DAMN so much for the xp sp2 disc someone want mine?,i need help I heed help, i need help, i need help , i need help , my loabtop could be broken blah blah blah lol, umm but really helppppp lol this is mass confusion
Hm, that is unfortunate. Is it that laptop that is in that way? Are you sitting on that PC now or using another one?
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Mattikus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:10:00 -
[1124]
Originally by: LBytes
EVE Boot.ini Torpedo missed D:\Eve completely
People wonder why you'd want separate partitions for games, archives, etc.. This is one reason why.
And people wonder why they should ever upgrade to Vista...so accidents like this one wont kill your computer
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Mia L
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:10:00 -
[1125]
Originally by: Mia L
Ok simple question:
if I uninstall my EVE client classic and then download the premium pack and install it on some other drive then the windows drive should I have any trouble with new eve client.
I checked my c drive and boot.ini file is in place.
I am asking again the same question as before....and I am using Win XP SP2....
I have windows on my C: drive, and old EVE client on my D:, I already unistalled my old EVE client...
So if I download new premium EVE client and install it on D: drive should I have any problems with rebooting my PC...
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:10:00 -
[1126]
Originally by: Aphex Schwin
How am I supposed to trust any future patches now?
Maybe because 17/18 patches and upgrades from CCP have been rather flawless?
And remember it got fixed some 2hrs after the official DT was over.
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FatBloke
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:10:00 -
[1127]
So I got the patch done....... briefly gawped at the lovely graphics, then turned off my PC and went to bed.
Now I've turned my PC on.... and its working... logged on eve and been directed to this thread and I'm confused as hell tbh
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I've enabled all the 'show hidden / show system' type settings and there does not appear to be a boot.ini file
So, should my PC be functioning at all? do I need to make a new boot.ini file? Do those funny settings in the boot.ini need tweaking cos I've got multiple HDDs and partitions?
Is my PC gonna die horribly if I turn it off?
I've ploughed through a handful of the early pages and frankly I'm confused as hell and very very nervous
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Hawk Firestorm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:11:00 -
[1128]
Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 06/12/2007 18:15:22
Edited by: Hawk Firestorm on 06/12/2007 18:12:18
There is of course one small problem you CCP boys are going to have to address.
Most peeps don't have more than one PC, aren't technically minded and for those that have rebooted won't see any of this because all they are looking at now is a no boot partition msg.
Someone over there must be in very hot water right now considering the possible liability's.
And why in the the heck is eve messing with a Windows system file or have any file with a file named as one anywhere in it? This is pretty basic stuff, you'd be well advised to change your naming convention and prefix all files with EVEFile.x then nothing like this can ever happen again.
@Fatbloke if it's not broke dun fix it. :)
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Lizzie Mellenthin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:11:00 -
[1129]
ok, I did download the premium upgrade to my laptop. Before 4 am. I never installed it. How do I delete the bad patch ?
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Phoenixhawk
Caldari
Farscape Mining
Hitchhiker's Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:12:00 -
[1130]
Just freaking epic. Downloaded the full install of the client thinking things are safer by now, onto my laptop running vista (don't remind me) and EvE Installer is nailed by my anti-virus.
Stay Chilly & Watch Your Six!
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Carsidava
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:12:00 -
[1131]
Edited by: Carsidava on 06/12/2007 18:12:27
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
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Posted - 2007.12.03 16:57:00 - [8]
One thing I noticed yesterday was that the content upgrade install blew away C:\boot.ini. I'm sure that the intention is to actually delete <EVE Install Folder>\boot.ini. Might need to fix that!
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Posted - 2007.12.03 16:57:00 - [8]
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2007.12.03
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fallen merovigean
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:12:00 -
[1132]
ok i folloed there set of instructions that stat go thru system/click advance/click 3rd tab down, then if it is missing it will notify you, well i didnt get a notification so. this is for all the marbles guys IM GONNA REBOOT, if you dont see me again, tell my mom I LOVE HER.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:13:00 -
[1133]
Originally by: Mia L
Originally by: Mia L
Ok simple question:
if I uninstall my EVE client classic and then download the premium pack and install it on some other drive then the windows drive should I have any trouble with new eve client.
I checked my c drive and boot.ini file is in place.
I am asking again the same question as before....and I am using Win XP SP2....
I have windows on my C: drive, and old EVE client on my D:, I already unistalled my old EVE client...
So if I download new premium EVE client and install it on D: drive should I have any problems with rebooting my PC...
NO, it's all been fixed. And keeping the client and OS separated on different disks, and using Sp2 keeps you out of the dangerzone.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:13:00 -
[1134]
Originally by: Mia L
Originally by: Mia L
Ok simple question:
if I uninstall my EVE client classic and then download the premium pack and install it on some other drive then the windows drive should I have any trouble with new eve client.
I checked my c drive and boot.ini file is in place.
I am asking again the same question as before....and I am using Win XP SP2....
I have windows on my C: drive, and old EVE client on my D:, I already unistalled my old EVE client...
So if I download new premium EVE client and install it on D: drive should I have any problems with rebooting my PC...
No you will be fine, it only affected:
1. upgrades of old eve client then upgrade to premium content
2. if you had eve on the same drive as your windows
3. WinXP and above conditions
Soooooo start installing and awwwing :)
iskies + my wallet = <3
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
My Top 10 List |
Mother Inlaw
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:13:00 -
[1135]
**** Read this post "bump" ****
Capital Sales
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:14:00 -
[1136]
Originally by: FatBloke
So I got the patch done....... briefly gawped at the lovely graphics, then turned off my PC and went to bed.
Now I've turned my PC on.... and its working... logged on eve and been directed to this thread and I'm confused as hell tbh
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I've enabled all the 'show hidden / show system' type settings and there does not appear to be a boot.ini file
So, should my PC be functioning at all? do I need to make a new boot.ini file? Do those funny settings in the boot.ini need tweaking cos I've got multiple HDDs and partitions?
Is my PC gonna die horribly if I turn it off?
I've ploughed through a handful of the early pages and frankly I'm confused as hell and very very nervous
Since it booted I think you're fine but make a backup of important files anyway....as I've stated earlier a backup is always nice regardless.
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:15:00 -
[1137]
Originally by: Polinus
So you saying just fire 1 random person for a mistake that was whoel team fault? Aaa very smart of you. Now you know with your employees don invite you for their parties.
Originally by: Ailean Caldaire
This is not something a "single" employee is responsible for. The whole QA department, read that clearly, the WHOLE department, is responsible for not catching this. Also notice where I said reworked. Maybe just the standards and procedures are bad. Maybe just management needs to be changed.
Read clearly before you jump down someone's throat. Remember, there are still smart people on the internets.
Bolded so you have an easier time catching important plot points.
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:15:00 -
[1138]
ok i did the auto patch last night WAY WAY WAY before 4am run windows xp have no boot.ini file and rebooted my computer before i found out there was a problem so i've got a couple of questions sorry if they've already been answered but i've just got home and don't really want to reformat my computer if i don't have to :(
What does the boot.ini file do?
Why do i need it?
and since i've not got a boot.ini file on this computer anymore and it still loads up is it a huge problem for me?
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:15:00 -
[1139]
Originally by: FatBloke
So I got the patch done....... briefly gawped at the lovely graphics, then turned off my PC and went to bed.
Now I've turned my PC on.... and its working... logged on eve and been directed to this thread and I'm confused as hell tbh
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I've enabled all the 'show hidden / show system' type settings and there does not appear to be a boot.ini file
So, should my PC be functioning at all? do I need to make a new boot.ini file? Do those funny settings in the boot.ini need tweaking cos I've got multiple HDDs and partitions?
Is my PC gonna die horribly if I turn it off?
I've ploughed through a handful of the early pages and frankly I'm confused as hell and very very nervous
If you had been affected you would not been able to start up your WinXp installation. So go on and forget about it... :)
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Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
My Top 10 List |
Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:15:00 -
[1140]
Originally by: Carsidava
Edited by: Carsidava on 06/12/2007 18:12:27
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
Quote:
Posted - 2007.12.03 16:57:00 - [8]
One thing I noticed yesterday was that the content upgrade install blew away C:\boot.ini. I'm sure that the intention is to actually delete <EVE Install Folder>\boot.ini. Might need to fix that!
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Posted - 2007.12.03 16:57:00 - [8]
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2007.12.03
Oh hey.
Awesome!
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BOOO!! - Ductoris
Neat look what I found - Kreul
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Frygok
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:15:00 -
[1141]
What happens if you "Restart Windows the last time it was working". Does it give a rollback? Do I dare try it, or is all documents the last months gone within a second?
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HuskiBlu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:16:00 -
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This offers zero input to this, except to ridicule CCP.
Are you people just plain stupid? Luckily I cancelled the game prior to this, but my boyfriend still plays, and already shut his PC off. Now he has to go home and wonder if it's still workable or not. How in the hell could you be stupid enough to release something that kills peoples computers? I have been playing MMO's since the age of UO, and no company has ever made a blunder off of such a stupid mistake. I honestly hope you get sued for it, lose customers, and eventually have to fold up. Your programers are IDIOTS to miss this. I expect you are going to lose a lot of new and old users of this game.
Yes, I'm flaming, but they deserve it. A stupid little release saying what to do AFTER THE FACT doesn't help matters for people who already shut their computers off. Good job, you are now known as the worst online gaming company to date.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:16:00 -
[1143]
Originally by: Gawain Hill
ok i did the auto patch last night WAY WAY WAY before 4am run windows xp have no boot.ini file and rebooted my computer before i found out there was a problem so i've got a couple of questions sorry if they've already been answered but i've just got home and don't really want to reformat my computer if i don't have to :(
What does the boot.ini file do?
Why do i need it?
and since i've not got a boot.ini file on this computer anymore and it still loads up is it a huge problem for me?
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.... end.
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:16:00 -
[1144]
Originally by: fallen merovigean
ok i folloed there set of instructions that stat go thru system/click advance/click 3rd tab down, then if it is missing it will notify you, well i didnt get a notification so. this is for all the marbles guys IM GONNA REBOOT, if you dont see me again, tell my mom I LOVE HER.
LMOA !
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:16:00 -
[1145]
Originally by: Thargat
... and using Sp2 keeps you out of the dangerzone.
Not quite. If your boot.ini is still different from the standard one, i.e. you installed windows to a custom directory or not to the first drive/partition you are still in danger.
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Kriegarman
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:18:00 -
[1146]
well i got wtfganked by this.
ive fixed it now thanks to some useful bits of information.
i have 1 thing to say. why didn't CCP test this patch first? most other companies do.
im not angry. far from it. i didn't loose anything thankfully ;)
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Selamar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:18:00 -
[1147]
Bl**dy 'eck, that's a bug and a half!
Restored boot.ini and rebooting now. Wish me luck....
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:19:00 -
[1148]
Originally by: HuskiBlu
Yes, I'm flaming, but they deserve it. A stupid little release saying what to do AFTER THE FACT doesn't help matters for people who already shut their computers off. Good job, you are now known as the worst online gaming company to date.
you are now known as the woest poster in this forum 
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:19:00 -
[1149]
Seems a few signatures is poping up due to this boot.ini incident...
So here are some:
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0712/boot.gif
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http://www.garia.net/g6/ccp.jpg
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http://www.kalekold.net/eve/images/scrammed.jpg
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I wanted to start a new thread about sigs, but I was directed here insted, so here it is.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:19:00 -
[1150]
Originally by: Gawain Hill
ok i did the auto patch last night WAY WAY WAY before 4am run windows xp have no boot.ini file and rebooted my computer before i found out there was a problem so i've got a couple of questions sorry if they've already been answered but i've just got home and don't really want to reformat my computer if i don't have to :(
What does the boot.ini file do?
Why do i need it?
and since i've not got a boot.ini file on this computer anymore and it still loads up is it a huge problem for me?
The boot.ini points the windows bootloader to the location of windows, if your windows loads then you dont have an issue.
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iskies + my wallet = <3
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:20:00 -
[1151]
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: Hawk Firestorm
[And why in the the heck is eve messing with a Windows system file or have any file with a file named as one anywhere in it? This is pretty basic stuff, you'd be well advised to change your naming convention and prefix all files with EVEFile.x then nothing like this can ever happen again.
Maybe because eve uses a file named boot.ini as well and maybe because the bug was that it deleted the boot.ini from the root of your drive instead of the root of eve where the eve related boot.ini resides.
Perhaps a good idTa would be not to use same filenames as windows files? Just a though...
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Gawain Hill
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:21:00 -
[1152]
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Gawain Hill
ok i did the auto patch last night WAY WAY WAY before 4am run windows xp have no boot.ini file and rebooted my computer before i found out there was a problem so i've got a couple of questions sorry if they've already been answered but i've just got home and don't really want to reformat my computer if i don't have to :(
What does the boot.ini file do?
Why do i need it?
and since i've not got a boot.ini file on this computer anymore and it still loads up is it a huge problem for me?
If it ain't broken, don't fix it.... end.
sounds good to me wouldn't have anythin to do with me running an amd processor instead of an intel would it? that's the only thing i saw mentioned on the tinterweb but that was on about windows 2000
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Voots
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:21:00 -
[1153]
Just in case I cant get back on to the web, where do I send the invoice for my time?
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HuskiBlu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:21:00 -
[1154]
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: HuskiBlu
Yes, I'm flaming, but they deserve it. A stupid little release saying what to do AFTER THE FACT doesn't help matters for people who already shut their computers off. Good job, you are now known as the worst online gaming company to date.
you are now known as the woest poster in this forum
Good. I am speaking for all of those who don't have a working computer, because most of those just play games and don't know how to do things like this. I don't know computers well enough to figure this out without this post. Right now, there are many gamers ****ed off because they don't have working computers, and once they find this out, it will get worse.
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Mia L
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:21:00 -
[1155]
Originally by: DrAtomic
Originally by: Mia L
Originally by: Mia L
Ok simple question:
if I uninstall my EVE client classic and then download the premium pack and install it on some other drive then the windows drive should I have any trouble with new eve client.
I checked my c drive and boot.ini file is in place.
I am asking again the same question as before....and I am using Win XP SP2....
I have windows on my C: drive, and old EVE client on my D:, I already unistalled my old EVE client...
So if I download new premium EVE client and install it on D: drive should I have any problems with rebooting my PC...
No you will be fine, it only affected:
1. upgrades of old eve client then upgrade to premium content
2. if you had eve on the same drive as your windows
3. WinXP and above conditions
Soooooo start installing and awwwing :)
iskies + my wallet = <3
thanks...
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:21:00 -
[1156]
Originally by: Ader
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0712/boot.gif
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At least that one is funny :D
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iskies + my wallet = <3
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Rheinkraft
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:21:00 -
[1157]
Right I have tried fixing my desktop but its still down with the error message, I put in the recovery disc and load it but theres nowhere that lets me press (R) to get the recovery console. I have phoned my computors tech suport and they said the only way it can be fixed is to wipe the hdd.... if thats the case then im f***ed.
Is there any other way to bring the recovery console up??
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Serious Rikk
The Three Hundred
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:21:00 -
[1158]
Wow, had a scare moment at work when I heard about this, knowing I'd left my PC downloading the patch.
I can't find any info stating whether it is now safe to run the upgrade - mine started downloading at about 1300 GMT...
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Avangel
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:21:00 -
[1159]
Luckily, this is the SECOND game patch (other was not eve) that completely annihilated some windows-needs-me-to-boot file, so I've already got a CD labeled "oh **** **** **** ****" containing these vital files. Go CCP! You're my heros!
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nails
Caldari
Ota Corps
Akihabara Denki Gai
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:22:00 -
[1160]
Eh, I'm not really worried, my boot.ini file is backed up. My XP machine runs on a RAID-1 so it would have gotten yanked out of both computers. There is no boot.ini on my root C: however Windows is not reporting a missing boot.ini file.
Worst case if I reinstall, I will just boot into a preinstalled environment and copy the backup file to my root c: drive with a pen drive, rename it to "boot.ini" problem solved.
Another tip would be to copy and backup your boot.ini instructions listed in msconfig just in case you have to re-populate the boot.ini lines yourself. You can literally paste them into a .txt file then rename the file to boot.ini (assuming your computer has "hide extentions for known file types" turned off).
I don't know why so many people are restoring their entire computer because of this.
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roberto blanco
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:22:00 -
[1161]
iam pretty ****ed, already rebootet my laptop and iam missing my entire boot.ini file. what da hell are u doing with the ini file anyway?
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Gamer Maximus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:22:00 -
[1162]
thankfully for me, I have vista on a seperate partition, so i could boot of it's own boot.ini instead.
On a side note, the boot.ini is usually a hidden file; if you look for it in the run menu or windows explorer, it won't be visible.
On a final note, this is why using a file name the same as a critical system file is not good programming practice. Stuff like this will tend to happen...
Good job getting this fixed quickly, though.
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Polinus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:22:00 -
[1163]
Originally by: Ailean Caldaire
Originally by: Polinus
So you saying just fire 1 random person for a mistake that was whoel team fault? Aaa very smart of you. Now you know with your employees don invite you for their parties.
Originally by: Ailean Caldaire
This is not something a "single" employee is responsible for. The whole QA department, read that clearly, the WHOLE department, is responsible for not catching this. Also notice where I said reworked. Maybe just the standards and procedures are bad. Maybe just management needs to be changed.
Read clearly before you jump down someone's throat. Remember, there are still smart people on the internets.
Bolded so you have an easier time catching important plot points.
then what? You would fire whole company?
Firing is not the solution! Won solve the problem and only people that resort to it in such a situation are only incompetent managers that cannot see that. A simple, no raise on your yearly evaluation would be enough.
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Fuglin Bonnet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:23:00 -
[1164]
Originally by: DrAtomic
WARNING: This only works if you have Windows XP installed on the first partition of your system.
Fixed.
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SmoochToodles
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:24:00 -
[1165]
im gonna kill myself.
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Verone
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:24:00 -
[1166]
Edited by: Verone on 06/12/2007 18:23:58
Originally by: Ader
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0712/boot.gif
omg legendary
>>> TRIBUTE TO A FALLEN WINGMAN <<<
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:24:00 -
[1167]
Originally by: Serious Rikk
Wow, had a scare moment at work when I heard about this, knowing I'd left my PC downloading the patch.
I can't find any info stating whether it is now safe to run the upgrade - mine started downloading at about 1300 GMT...
you'll be fine, it only affects people who patched before 4 AM GMT last night and then only those that added the premium content patch as well.
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iskies + my wallet = <3
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:24:00 -
[1168]
Originally by: Rheinkraft
Right I have tried fixing my desktop but its still down with the error message, I put in the recovery disc and load it but theres nowhere that lets me press (R) to get the recovery console. I have phoned my computors tech suport and they said the only way it can be fixed is to wipe the hdd.... if thats the case then im f***ed.
Is there any other way to bring the recovery console up??
Worst case scenario... insert you HDD into another machine (as a secondary drive) and replace the boot.ini file.
All your files and **** n stuff should still be there.. no need to re-install or format anything
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
Volus Arden
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:25:00 -
[1169]
What the ****?! I never received this message, and after turning my computer on, I found I was totally screwed! I had to get into and restore it to factory defaults! What the HELL CCP?! Who is going to reimburse me for all that lost info? I just barely bought a full account yesterday and THIS is how I am greeted! Hell I am thinking twice about installing again because the idiots over there don't know what the **** they are doing.
Listen, I get moved by the military and all my extra stuff, games, music, movies, projects, etc. were on the computer because my boxes of stuff aren't able to be with me... so now what the hell do I do? What the hell do I do about MS Office? My photoshop license? What the hell?! I'm so freaking ****ed off right now I can't see straight.
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:25:00 -
[1170]
Originally by: SmoochToodles
im gonna kill myself.
You'll need to fix your boot.ini first for that...
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iskies + my wallet = <3
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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Trask II
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:26:00 -
[1171]
Quote:
Appearently it only affects users that have winXP and haven't allowed the system to upgrade to SP2.
end quotet response:
If this is the case then I recon alot of the poor victims have either ignored the M$ instructions to keep your system up to date (with the free automatic windows updates) or have a piracy copy of windows (and then I don't feel sad for them).
But then again there's probably a few who's run old versions of windows on machines powerful enough to use the "premium content" (but those should be minimal in nr).
And stop comparing software blame/flame with IRL manufacturing and such.
ps: and I hope all you loudmouths who screams for someone to get fired gets fired yourselves "permanently".
Although this guy is a complete idiot, he does have a point. If you don't own an XP boot disc of any kind, floppy/CD/DVD/factory restore/etc, then you have most likely pirated your XP. In other words, you fail, and are the reason Bill Gates makes me call India at 3am to reinstall XP for the 20th time on my poor old backup PC.
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petergriffen
Amarr
Dufrene Holdings. INC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:26:00 -
[1172]
Originally by: HuskiBlu
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: HuskiBlu
Yes, I'm flaming, but they deserve it. A stupid little release saying what to do AFTER THE FACT doesn't help matters for people who already shut their computers off. Good job, you are now known as the worst online gaming company to date.
you are now known as the woest poster in this forum
Good. I am speaking for all of those who don't have a working computer, because most of those just play games and don't know how to do things like this. I don't know computers well enough to figure this out without this post. Right now, there are many gamers ****ed off because they don't have working computers, and once they find this out, it will get worse.
The **** you are. You're not speaking for me at all, and my computer, as of right now, isn't working. But you know what? I'm going to go home and FIX my computer, and the problem will be solved.
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Frygok
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:26:00 -
[1173]
Can't people keep all that "omg CCP should be firedsz!" crap out of this thread, where people are asking for help and getting help from the community? Yes it sucks that our comps are borked, but whining here won't fix that. We can whine later.
I'm in doubt whether I dare actually reboot my computer using the option "Last time it worked", since I am not sure how long time it will roll back my computer? Anyone have any idea if this will even help, or when it saves settings?
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Bubba1977
Amarr
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:27:00 -
[1174]
this bug fubared my comp....had to reinstall xp...woooo fun times
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:29:00 -
[1175]
Originally by: Frygok
I'm in doubt whether I dare actually reboot my computer using the option "Last time it worked", since I am not sure how long time it will roll back my computer? Anyone have any idea if this will even help, or when it saves settings?
Yes, it only rolls back drivers and some software installation. Your files and settings should remain unaffected.
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
Lizzie Mellenthin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:29:00 -
[1176]
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
ok, I did download the premium upgrade to my laptop. Before 4 am. I never installed it. How do I delete the bad patch ?
i say again.
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Rupicolous
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:29:00 -
[1177]
Well .......... I'm as ****ed off as any of you right now, considering my OS won't even boot cause of the upgrade. Not only can't I enjoy EVE online but my entire system is down. As it looks I'm gonna have to pay someone to recover all my files and then reinstall the OS from scratch. Nice one CCP definitly the biggest F-up EVER to go with the biggest content upgrade EVER !!! Sooooo dissapointed ......... it was mandatory I unclude my 2 ISK for the record !!! Nothing is ever free .......... someone always has to pay !!!
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Khald
Gallente
Armaments Board
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:29:00 -
[1178]
I had eve on my d:\ not my boot drive and it still broke, It also flipped my drives around c: = d: and d:=c: now and
I will be able to get my data off but will take all night to rebuild and re-install everything.
But having it on non-boot drive does not make you immune
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NBT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:30:00 -
[1179]
here is a liddel info from me ... i instalt for 2 houers ago eve trinety premium version (clean instal) i installt it on my d drive wile windows is on c drive ... the resoult is ... still missing boot.ini so be aware !!!!
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Stakhanov
The Good Fellas
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:31:00 -
[1180]
Guess I got lucky , didn't lose my boot.ini ...
I think this is definite proof that CCP + Microsoft = pure evil
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:31:00 -
[1181]
Originally by: Trask II
Although this guy is a complete idiot
QFT ;p
every1 is entitled to their oppinion. witch hunters always gets me off though
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
Cmdr Krista
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:32:00 -
[1182]
I don't believe it! For once, it's XP, NOT Vista, that has a bug :D I suddenly feel much better about my poor, underappreciated OS...
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Hironashi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:32:00 -
[1183]
$300 for a new hard drive, time wasted on reinstalling softare, programs, contacts. Priceless.
Thank you CCP
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Starbuck Venus
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:33:00 -
[1184]
Hi,
If you have the "Total Commander" software for files manager, you will have more easy for to create the deleted file in few seconds without to go in some hardier dos commands under "execute" who take several minutes...
Here the link for this shareware: http://www.ghisler.com/
I buied it since 10 years ago and impossible to unuse it: more easy than the windows explorer or other windows stuffs...
Enjoy it.
Egidio.
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Mahkk
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:33:00 -
[1185]
umm.. why is my boot.ini gone when I only installed the new build prompted by the launcher (no option given between classic or premium), and did so at 18.00 GMT.
.. Halp.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:33:00 -
[1186]
Originally by: Rupicolous
Well .......... I'm as ****ed off as any of you right now, considering my OS won't even boot cause of the upgrade. Not only can't I enjoy EVE online but my entire system is down. As it looks I'm gonna have to pay someone to recover all my files and then reinstall the OS from scratch. Nice one CCP definitly the biggest F-up EVER to go with the biggest content upgrade EVER !!! Sooooo dissapointed ......... it was mandatory I unclude my 2 ISK for the record !!! Nothing is ever free .......... someone always has to pay !!!
see this article for instructions on how to recreate the boot.ini file via the recovery console from your windows xp cd.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/en-us
this will recreate the file without having to try to figure it out youself
if you can can not boot from an XP cd, get a set of boot floppies made from a good installation of xp somewhere, then you can use a usb floppy to get a recovery console to repair your installation, but you will need access to a machine that has a working copy of xp installed on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824632/en-us
my laptop did not have the boot.ini file anywhere on it except my eve directory and it rebooted fine today, my home machine craped out on me when i woke up this morning, i was in the process of moving all the data off it when someone at work pointed out an article on slashdot about this...
considering i just bought an xps 720 that won't work and i'm sending back to dell, waking up to my regular machine all of a sudden flaked out was almost enough for me to just jump out the window this morning :P
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:34:00 -
[1187]
Originally by: Commander Prishe
I just updated my Antivirus file definitions and the eve install file was added. EVE is is considered a virus now
Idiot... someone had to say it!
*hides*
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Trask II
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:34:00 -
[1188]
Quote:
What the ****?! I never received this message, and after turning my computer on, I found I was totally screwed! I had to get into and restore it to factory defaults! What the HELL CCP?! Who is going to reimburse me for all that lost info? I just barely bought a full account yesterday and THIS is how I am greeted! Hell I am thinking twice about installing again because the idiots over there don't know what the **** they are doing.
Listen, I get moved by the military and all my extra stuff, games, music, movies, projects, etc. were on the computer because my boxes of stuff aren't able to be with me... so now what the hell do I do? What the hell do I do about MS Office? My photoshop license? What the hell?! I'm so freaking ****ed off right now I can't see straight.
Well the first thing you should have done is realized that the boot.ini is a simple text file that just tells DOS where to find your copy of Windows. This text file is about 2 sentences long, and can be fixed by any novice in about 2 minutes if told what to do, unless they have a kneejerk reaction, and destroy their PC, like you did.
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Agtathis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:34:00 -
[1189]
So, is it safe to upgrade now?
Just making sure.
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agravator
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:35:00 -
[1190]
Lol
i havent played for months because the game was going down hill.
i was about to log in and take a peek but after reading this i will not be bothering.
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Major BlackSnot
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:35:00 -
[1191]
Thx CCP, very professional of you. Oh maybe you got too much money with subscriptions and dont care anymore about basics? The best update to date, blah, blah. Maybe you should pay competent people instead of throwing money at producing stupid propaganda videos to try tell the world how unbeleivable the new extension was going to be...
Anyways...
When i put the XP CD in my machine to restore, it cant repair because it says it doesnt see any hardrives. Great. I guess it's something to do with the way Dell machine is setup. Anyone has the same problem and know a work around ?
If i have to call Dell, and lose hours of work until my machine is up and running, who do i send the bill to ?
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:36:00 -
[1192]
CCP don't need to fire anyone, just make sure it never happen again. One though could be to let 10 people not working for CCP try out the patch before deploying it to the rest of the world.
But it really should have been found in their QA department.
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Cal semnar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:36:00 -
[1193]
i dunno if this has been pointed out by anyone (to lazy to read all the posts) but if you have duel boot vista and xp then this wont effect you. 
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Fulmen
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:36:00 -
[1194]
I lost 2 hours last night trying to fix this problem, but it was becuase I didn't remember my admin password since I hadn't entered in over 8 months and had moved during that timewhicih lead to me losing it in the first place. Just use one of the following methods below that I took directly from microsoft.com
Method 1
Edit the Boot.ini file to restore or correct the Default entry and to ensure that the other entries in the [Operating Systems] section of the Boot.ini file point to the appropriate directories.
Method 2
Use the Bootcfg utility in the Recovery Console to correct the Boot.ini file: 1. Use the Windows XP CD-ROM to start your computer.
2. When you receive the message to press R to repair Windows by using the Recovery Console, press the R key.
3. Select the Windows installation that you want, and then type the administrator password when prompted.
4. Type bootcfg /rebuild, and then press ENTER.
5. When the Windows installation is located, the following instructions are displayed:
Add installation to boot list? (Yes/No/All)
[Type Y in response to this message.]
Enter Load Identifier:
[This is the name of the operating system. Type Windows XP Professional or Windows XP Home Edition.]
Enter OS Load options:
[Leave this field blank, and then press ENTER].
After you perform the preceding steps, restart the computer, and then select the first item on the boot menu. This should allow Windows XP to start normally.
After Windows XP has successfully loaded, the Boot.ini can be modified to remove the incorrect entry.
Method 3
1. Start the computer by using your Windows XP CD-ROM. Press any key to boot from the CD.
2. After the setup files are finished loading press R to repair using Recovery Console.
3. When you are in the recovery console, select the installation to log on to (usually number 1), and then press ENTER.
4. Login to the Administrator account by typing the password for this account, and then press ENTER.
5. At the recovery console command prompt, type the following command, and then press ENTER:
For Uni-Processor systems:
expand cd-rom:\i386\ntoskrnl.ex_ drive:\Windows\system32
For Multi-Processor systems:
expand cd-rom:\i386\ntkrnlmp.ex_ drive:\Windows\system32\ntoskrnl.exe
Cd-rom is the drive letter of your CD-ROM drive, and drive is the drive letter of the hard disk on which windows is installed.
6. If you receive a prompt to overwrite the file, press Y.
7. Type exit, and press ENTER at the command prompt.
Back to the top
Method 4
Start the computer by using the Recovery Console, and then run theCHKDSK /rcommand.
Note You do not have to include the /p switch in the Chkdsk command-line because the /r switch causes the Chkdsk utility to locate bad sectors and recover readable information. This command implies the /p switch..
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Trask II
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:37:00 -
[1195]
Quote:
Originally by: Commander Prishe
Quote:
I just updated my Antivirus file definitions and the eve install file was added. EVE is is considered a virus now
Idiot... someone had to say it!
*hides*
Well, technically the patch is a virus. It maliciously deletes your vital system files in an attempt to prevent your computer from booting.
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:37:00 -
[1196]
Soooo glad I set a 20 day skill... Hopefully CCCP will get it together in the meantime.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:37:00 -
[1197]
If there are still doubts then I'll wait until the weekend before installing the update.
While the bug is clearly a huge blunder, I have a lot of sympathy for whoever wrote that instruction. It is just as easy to accidentally delete a crucial system file as it is to delete some other random file, so my main complaint is not against CCP but against MS. It should simply not be possible to delete such crucial files, even as an Administrator. Maybe there should something above Administrator, so that we can install software with the whole OS being at risk.
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Rheinkraft
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:40:00 -
[1198]
Originally by: Cal semnar
Edited by: Cal semnar on 06/12/2007 18:38:15
i dunno if this has been pointed out by anyone (to lazy to read all the posts) but if you have duel boot vista and xp then this wont effect you.
Also why is this such a big deal , you can repair the boot.ini of any windows disk. dunno why people are banging on about new harddrives and reinstalls , just do a repair of the disk and if you dont have a disk borrow one off some one. ive killed boot.ini a couple of times just messing with my pc, you restore it and everything works the same way id did, no reinstall no new hardware no nothing.
Believe me, mine is f****d, tech support has confirmed it. And right now I am too.
Under The Black Flag Est 2004 |
Lizzie Mellenthin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:41:00 -
[1199]
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
ok, I did download the premium upgrade to my laptop. Before 4 am. I never installed it. How do I delete the bad patch ?
i say again.
DOES ANYONE know where this premium upgrade was stored ????? I need to delete it but cant find it....
Please
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Cal semnar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:41:00 -
[1200]
Edited by: Cal semnar on 06/12/2007 18:43:28
Originally by: Paul Castrin
Originally by: Trask II
If you don't own an XP boot disc of any kind, floppy/CD/DVD/factory restore/etc, then you have most likely pirated your XP. In other words, you fail, and are the reason Bill Gates makes me call India at 3am to reinstall XP for the 20th time on my poor old backup PC.
Umm, and what about all those system that use restore partitions?
Yeah, forgot about them eh.
Most preinstalled systems do not come with a disk but use restore partitions. Many have restore with backup options but trust me that that is less than perfect. So get with the current trends and stop trying to label people when you have no idea what youÆre talking about or about each and every person's particular situation.
Peace.
if this is the case , you should be able to get to the restore way before windows loads up, usually using a F- key . if they relied on windows they would be totally useless
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Imperial Severian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:42:00 -
[1201]
Originally by: Trask II
Well, technically the patch is a virus. It maliciously deletes your vital system files in an attempt to prevent your computer from booting.
I'd say it "exhibits virus-like behaviours" - because it wasn't INTENDED to be malicious - it was down-right stupid in it's behaviour, and the end result was a "virus-like" modification to a critical system file... but that wasn't CCP's INTENT... ;)
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:42:00 -
[1202]
Hi i have suffered from this issue as well. My warning is not boot.ini though it is as follows-
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Please re-install a copy of the above file.
Is this the same as the boot.ini issue? Don't wanna do the wrong thing.
Help.
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'The thing always happens that you really believe in... and the belief in a thing makes it happen' - Frank Loyd Wright |
Gothikia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:42:00 -
[1203]
Originally by: Poreuomai
Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/12/2007 18:40:22
Originally by: NBT
here is a liddel info from me ... i instalt for 2 houers ago eve trinety premium version (clean instal) i installt it on my d drive wile windows is on c drive ... the resoult is ... still missing boot.ini so be aware !!!!
If there are still doubts then I'll wait until the weekend before installing the update.
While the bug is clearly a huge blunder, I have a lot of sympathy for whoever wrote that instruction. It is just as easy to accidentally delete a crucial system file as it is to delete some other random file, so my main complaint is not against CCP but against MS. It should simply not be possible to delete such crucial files, even as an Administrator. Maybe there should something above Administrator, so that we can install software without the whole OS being at risk.
Well in Vista you have your wish, to delete system files there you gotta actually manually add specific permissions to the file/folder either by group or individual account permissions. Then try and delete it and prompted for Admin password.
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Trask II
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:43:00 -
[1204]
Quote:
Umm, and what about all those system that use restore partitions?
Yeah, forgot about them eh.
Most preinstalled systems do not come with a disk but use restore partitions. Many have restore with backup options but trust me that that is less than perfect. So get with the current trends and stop trying to label people when you have no idea what youÆre talking about or about each and every person's particular situation.
Yeah, my first Compaq back in the 90's had a restore partition that came with *drum roll please* A RESTORE and REPAIR CD. Congratulations, you fail!
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Cal semnar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:43:00 -
[1205]
Originally by: Rheinkraft
Originally by: Cal semnar
Edited by: Cal semnar on 06/12/2007 18:38:15
i dunno if this has been pointed out by anyone (to lazy to read all the posts) but if you have duel boot vista and xp then this wont effect you.
Also why is this such a big deal , you can repair the boot.ini of any windows disk. dunno why people are banging on about new harddrives and reinstalls , just do a repair of the disk and if you dont have a disk borrow one off some one. ive killed boot.ini a couple of times just messing with my pc, you restore it and everything works the same way id did, no reinstall no new hardware no nothing.
Believe me, mine is f****d, tech support has confirmed it. And right now I am too.
your tech guys are talking out of they're arse then , boot.ini has nothing to do with your hardrive. its just a file that tells windows where the windows files are!
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:44:00 -
[1206]
Originally by: Trask II
Quote:
What the ****?! I never received this message, and after turning my computer on, I found I was totally screwed! I had to get into and restore it to factory defaults! What the HELL CCP?! Who is going to reimburse me for all that lost info? I just barely bought a full account yesterday and THIS is how I am greeted! Hell I am thinking twice about installing again because the idiots over there don't know what the **** they are doing.
Listen, I get moved by the military and all my extra stuff, games, music, movies, projects, etc. were on the computer because my boxes of stuff aren't able to be with me... so now what the hell do I do? What the hell do I do about MS Office? My photoshop license? What the hell?! I'm so freaking ****ed off right now I can't see straight.
Well the first thing you should have done is realized that the boot.ini is a simple text file that just tells DOS where to find your copy of Windows. This text file is about 2 sentences long, and can be fixed by any novice in about 2 minutes if told what to do, unless they have a kneejerk reaction, and destroy their PC, like you did.
the problem is i didn't realize that it was the boot.ini file that was missing, i figured the OS got a bunch of corrupted files from a hard drive failure of some sort, i was about to go buy a new one, reinstall everything and move all the stuff back...didn't occur to me that a video game would completely make my computer unbootable...and of course i hadn't had any coffee either when i found it at a dos prompt with the message:
"Invalid Boot.ini
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
Windows\System32\Hal.dll"
i grabbed my hard drive and tried to replace Hal.dll from my laptop thinking for some reason the file had been corrputed per the error message...well it didn't work so i figured there was more to it than that and decided to just leave the drive in my file server and start copying the data off and pick up a hard drive on my way home tonight...
glad someone at work pointed this out to me this morning when he saw it on slashdot..if i hadn't mentioned it to him this morning, and not have been going on and on about how excited i am for this update, i would have ended up redoing my system
following this procedure booting from an windows xp cd will work, and if you can't this one will, but requires access to a functional copy of xp on a different machine with a floppy drive
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Lizzie Mellenthin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:44:00 -
[1207]
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
ok, I did download the premium upgrade to my laptop. Before 4 am. I never installed it. How do I delete the bad patch ?
i say again.
DOES ANYONE know where this premium upgrade was stored ????? I need to delete it but cant find it....
Please
I will keep posting in hopes that someone is actually reading all 50 pages..
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Frygok
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:45:00 -
[1208]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Hi i have suffered from this issue as well. My warning is not boot.ini though it is as follows-
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Please re-install a copy of the above file.
Is this the same as the boot.ini issue? Don't wanna do the wrong thing.
Help.
It is. I have the same thing.
We are now at page 50, and all we have is 2 posts in the sticky, where the third one is "more info later". So erhhh, does this mean that CCP doesn't plan on doing anything else, becaues we have been waiting for quite a while now... Nothing in this thread, only helpful people from the community.
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Samiael
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:46:00 -
[1209]
LOL
I work in a desktop engineering lab.. not only can I see how something like this could happen and get by QA.. it doesnt change my opinion of this being a great game with great devs.
Mistakes happen... and the BEST QA in the world will still fail you once in a while.
Overall great patch... ya the bug sucks... but we will move on.
As far as those of you who cant get in. Dio yourseleves favor. Get Windows PE... prferably Barts
BEST thing you will ever do for your PC. And its ideal for situations like this. We use a highyl customized version and its gotten me out of problems a thousand times worse than this.
I hate to say it.. but in the realm of bad things that could happen to your PC.. not only is this relatively minor.. but its extremely easy to fix.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:46:00 -
[1210]
Originally by: Trask II
So basically what you're saying is that you want MS to control your system and everything on it, so nothing on the big bad internetz can get to you?
No, that is clearly NOT what I'm saying. What I AM saying is that the people who wrote the OS should have made the OS a little bit more robust.
Originally by: Trask II
FFS, people like you are the reason we have to click "yes" on 30 nag windows just to open a file in Vista.
How is that related to what an installer can do to OS files?
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Xanath Fireheart
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:47:00 -
[1211]
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
ok, I did download the premium upgrade to my laptop. Before 4 am. I never installed it. How do I delete the bad patch ?
i say again.
DOES ANYONE know where this premium upgrade was stored ????? I need to delete it but cant find it....
Please
If you direct downloaded it from the http link, then it should be wherever you opted to save it. Can always search your PC for the file 'eveclassictopremiumpatch45017'.
If you downloaded it using bits then you have no need to worry.
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liten
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:48:00 -
[1212]
This fix worked for me:
Quote:
***i run Windows XP SP2, please remmeber i can not guarntee this will work for everyone***
search C:/windows for: boot.ini.backup
It should appear in this directory: 'C:/windows/pss/'
(complete url = 'C:/windows/pss/boot.ini.backup'
Once you have found the file... COPY the file, *DO NOT* just cut or just move the file....
Doing this will leave you with NO BACK UP
so copy the boot.ini.backup file. paste to desktop...
Delete the ".backup" text from the name of the file, so it is named: boot.ini
Take the newly pasted boot.ini file and paste or move it to:
C:/ ... just drop it in there... not in a directory...
You will be promted if you want to overwrite the current file in there...
Hit YES
Your task is now complete...
You SHOULD (not guarnteed) be able to reboot safely
Remmeber it worked for me... BUT it may NOT work for others.
Liten
let me know if this fix works for you too
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:48:00 -
[1213]
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Trask II
Quote:
What the ****?! I never received this message, and after turning my computer on, I found I was totally screwed! I had to get into and restore it to factory defaults! What the HELL CCP?! Who is going to reimburse me for all that lost info? I just barely bought a full account yesterday and THIS is how I am greeted! Hell I am thinking twice about installing again because the idiots over there don't know what the **** they are doing.
Listen, I get moved by the military and all my extra stuff, games, music, movies, projects, etc. were on the computer because my boxes of stuff aren't able to be with me... so now what the hell do I do? What the hell do I do about MS Office? My photoshop license? What the hell?! I'm so freaking ****ed off right now I can't see straight.
Well the first thing you should have done is realized that the boot.ini is a simple text file that just tells DOS where to find your copy of Windows. This text file is about 2 sentences long, and can be fixed by any novice in about 2 minutes if told what to do, unless they have a kneejerk reaction, and destroy their PC, like you did.
the problem is i didn't realize that it was the boot.ini file that was missing, i figured the OS got a bunch of corrupted files from a hard drive failure of some sort, i was about to go buy a new one, reinstall everything and move all the stuff back...didn't occur to me that a video game would completely make my computer unbootable...and of course i hadn't had any coffee either when i found it at a dos prompt with the message:
"Invalid Boot.ini
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
Windows\System32\Hal.dll"
i grabbed my hard drive and tried to replace Hal.dll from my laptop thinking for some reason the file had been corrputed per the error message...well it didn't work so i figured there was more to it than that and decided to just leave the drive in my file server and start copying the data off and pick up a hard drive on my way home tonight...
glad someone at work pointed this out to me this morning when he saw it on slashdot..if i hadn't mentioned it to him this morning, and not have been going on and on about how excited i am for this update, i would have ended up redoing my system
following this procedure booting from an windows xp cd will work, and if you can't this one will, but requires access to a functional copy of xp on a different machine with a floppy drive
hal.dll is system specific. It's related to the hardware in each system, so transferring it doesn't work.
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Don Molotov
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:48:00 -
[1214]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Hi i have suffered from this issue as well. My warning is not boot.ini though it is as follows-
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Please re-install a copy of the above file.
Is this the same as the boot.ini issue? Don't wanna do the wrong thing.
Help.
I had the same error and ended up having to wipe my hard drive entirely. Even windows' recovery console didn't work-- it told me I had no hard drive. Thank god for thinkpads with their recovery system. Boo for a sloppy release.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:48:00 -
[1215]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Hi i have suffered from this issue as well. My warning is not boot.ini though it is as follows-
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
<Windows root>\system32\hal.dll.
Please re-install a copy of the above file.
Is this the same as the boot.ini issue? Don't wanna do the wrong thing.
Help.
yes
and since people aren't going to read a whole 50 pages of posts i'll just repost this again:
if you have this issue and can not boot to the point of being able to recreate the file youself see this article for instructions on how to recreate the boot.ini file via the recovery console from your windows xp cd.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/en-us
this will recreate the file without having to try to figure it out youself
if you can can not boot from an XP cd, get a set of boot floppies made from a good installation of xp somewhere, then you can use a usb floppy to get a recovery console to repair your installation, but you will need access to a machine that has a working copy of xp installed on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824632/en-us
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:48:00 -
[1216]
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
ok, I did download the premium upgrade to my laptop. Before 4 am. I never installed it. How do I delete the bad patch ?
i say again.
DOES ANYONE know where this premium upgrade was stored ????? I need to delete it but cant find it....
Please
I will keep posting in hopes that someone is actually reading all 50 pages..
Just download the new patch, install it and be happy. No need to remove anything as long as your "hidden" boot.ini is still there and/or your computer still reboots.
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killerco
Gallente
The Flying Dutchmen
Antesignani Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:49:00 -
[1217]
Bloody hell, i'm glad i'm running Vista
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Zensige
The Soviet Galactic Union
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:49:00 -
[1218]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
Can anyone elaborate more on the first step of this solution, dont quite understand how to find the root directory of my windows. I put the downloaded file just into my C:\(my only hard disk) and tried the other steps but the Boot.INI tab doesnt show up then.. So anyone explain where exactly to copy the file into?
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Lizzie Mellenthin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:49:00 -
[1219]
Originally by: Xanath Fireheart
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
ok, I did download the premium upgrade to my laptop. Before 4 am. I never installed it. How do I delete the bad patch ?
i say again.
DOES ANYONE know where this premium upgrade was stored ????? I need to delete it but cant find it....
Please
If you direct downloaded it from the http link, then it should be wherever you opted to save it. Can always search your PC for the file 'eveclassictopremiumpatch45017'.
If you downloaded it using bits then you have no need to worry.
NO it was downloaded throught the client .
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:49:00 -
[1220]
Originally by: Lazarann
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Trask II
Quote:
What the ****?! I never received this message, and after turning my computer on, I found I was totally screwed! I had to get into and restore it to factory defaults! What the HELL CCP?! Who is going to reimburse me for all that lost info? I just barely bought a full account yesterday and THIS is how I am greeted! Hell I am thinking twice about installing again because the idiots over there don't know what the **** they are doing.
Listen, I get moved by the military and all my extra stuff, games, music, movies, projects, etc. were on the computer because my boxes of stuff aren't able to be with me... so now what the hell do I do? What the hell do I do about MS Office? My photoshop license? What the hell?! I'm so freaking ****ed off right now I can't see straight.
Well the first thing you should have done is realized that the boot.ini is a simple text file that just tells DOS where to find your copy of Windows. This text file is about 2 sentences long, and can be fixed by any novice in about 2 minutes if told what to do, unless they have a kneejerk reaction, and destroy their PC, like you did.
the problem is i didn't realize that it was the boot.ini file that was missing, i figured the OS got a bunch of corrupted files from a hard drive failure of some sort, i was about to go buy a new one, reinstall everything and move all the stuff back...didn't occur to me that a video game would completely make my computer unbootable...and of course i hadn't had any coffee either when i found it at a dos prompt with the message:
"Invalid Boot.ini
Windows could not start because the following file is missing or corrupt:
Windows\System32\Hal.dll"
i grabbed my hard drive and tried to replace Hal.dll from my laptop thinking for some reason the file had been corrputed per the error message...well it didn't work so i figured there was more to it than that and decided to just leave the drive in my file server and start copying the data off and pick up a hard drive on my way home tonight...
glad someone at work pointed this out to me this morning when he saw it on slashdot..if i hadn't mentioned it to him this morning, and not have been going on and on about how excited i am for this update, i would have ended up redoing my system
following this procedure booting from an windows xp cd will work, and if you can't this one will, but requires access to a functional copy of xp on a different machine with a floppy drive
hal.dll is system specific. It's related to the hardware in each system, so transferring it doesn't work.
bleh looks like i'll be pulling that off my xp cd before i try to reboot then from the recovery console
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Cal semnar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:50:00 -
[1221]
Originally by: killerco
Bloody hell, i'm glad i'm running Vista
he im glad i duel-boot no boot.ini to be deleted
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JoCool
MASS
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:50:00 -
[1222]
Lizzie, search for the file eveclassictopremiumpatch45017.exe , that's the filename if you have downloaded it seperately. However, I recommend you download the premium client installer, full package. That way you're sure to not have any troubles at all.
Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel!
Oveur > ohnoes jocool |
Anwylyd Al'Vos
Minmatar
LightSpeed Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:50:00 -
[1223]
if you have the "corrupt or missing hal.dll" message too, boot/rescue/recover disks WILL NOT WORK!!!
You MUST slave out your hard drive to another XP sp2 comp and copy it over on top of the boot.ini fix... when you put the drive back in your comp it will be happy again...
Side note, I have canceled the subscription of my alt account until I have recovered the cost of having a tech come out and fix my comp, possibly beyond that... thanks CCP for letting us know, but you should seriously look at a reprimand for the qa peeps that missed this... I'm not saying fire them, but maybe suspension is not out of the question.
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Trask II
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:50:00 -
[1224]
This is a boot.ini:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect
That's it. You put that in a text file, save it to C:, and name it boot.ini, and your problem is solved. I mean, does Pete have to put it in 32 languages for you *******s. I don't think half the idiots replying even read his first, MOST IMPORTANT POST of this thread.
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:51:00 -
[1225]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
If any PC repair shop charges more than 5$ for this , they are stealing you. Any technician will identify the problem in 1 second as soon as it sees the windows message.
Dude, $5? PC techs won't even give the time of the day for that.
Whatever it is you're smoking, I definitely don't want it.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:52:00 -
[1226]
Originally by: Trask II
This is a boot.ini:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect
That's it. You put that in a text file, save it to C:, and name it boot.ini, and your problem is solved. I mean, does Pete have to put it in 32 languages for you *******s. I don't think half the idiots replying even read his first, MOST IMPORTANT POST of this thread.
/signed
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
fallen merovigean
Hunters Agency
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:52:00 -
[1227]
HAHAHAH im fixed :) my computer tech friend (currently in school for it anyways) (and im at his house)hooked me up big time but i had already uninstalled EVE good lucks sp2 users and may u be as blessed as me.
ohh btw i love that c/100mil or i'll boot.ini your ship awsome
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Xanath Fireheart
Under Heavy Fire
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:53:00 -
[1228]
Originally by: Lizzie Mellenthin
NO it was downloaded throught the client .
This issue shouldn't give you any problems then as it seems only to apply to the installer.
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Cal semnar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:53:00 -
[1229]
Originally by: Kronarty
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
If any PC repair shop charges more than 5$ for this , they are stealing you. Any technician will identify the problem in 1 second as soon as it sees the windows message.
Dude, $5? PC techs won't even give the time of the day for that.
Whatever it is you're smoking, I definitely don't want it.
this is true, most companys have a set minimum cost that is charged
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:53:00 -
[1230]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
ALSO, people that were not running on admin account were not affected. Its their fault if they were using the system in a way its not supposed to.
You must be that very special guy with superpowers able to install software onto XP without an administrator account.
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Karrde CZ
Minmatar
CHON
THE R0NIN
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:53:00 -
[1231]
Originally by: Phoenixhawk
http://games.slashdot.org/games/07/12/06/1312254.shtml
have to agree here with /. here:
"the incredibly stupid choice of boot.ini as a game configuration file"
For everything else, there is Mastercard.
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DJTheBaron
Caldari
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:53:00 -
[1232]
I got a boot error of hal.ddl missing, and couldnt do anything about it, took the drive and installed it in another machien and the file is not missing, i then copied the file before overwriting it with the 2nd machines hal.dll and it did not resolve the issue, is this the same issue as boot.ini
Hopefully it is and i can sort it when i go home, unfortunatley i deleted most of my non essential files to create a backup folder to transfer to the remaining space on the second drive...
I hope my long skill training was long enough...
"The Views & Opinions Expressed In This Post Represent Your Own, So Dont Bother Arguing"
DJTheBaron: Diplomacy 4TW |
Ines petrvs
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:54:00 -
[1233]
Originally by: Arctulias
Edited by: Arctulias on 06/12/2007 07:34:45
Edited by: Arctulias on 06/12/2007 07:21:25
For those saying I can't find my boot.ini, it is a hidden system file.
Go to start -> run -> cmd
Type
find "" C:\boot.ini
If its there it should read something like
---------- C:\BOOT.INI
If its not there it should say
File not found - C:\boot.ini
One more thing
Make sure to lock your boot file if you copied it in there and didn't use the windows restore.
In the command prompt
type
attrib +r +s +h C:/boot.ini
That will put it back to a read-only hidden system file.
OK you are the KING!!!
at first try's , i had the warning : file not there bla,bla...
then I try to follow the step until I was going to save the copy and paste , WINDOWS asked me " are you sure you want to "overwrite" this ?
I was like : Hmmm , if window is asking me to overwrite MAYBE its the>>>> C:\boot.ini
is there so that's when i saw the Artulias POST !!
so simple you just need to this>>>>>>
Go to start -> run -> cmd
Type
find "" C:\boot.ini
If its there it should read something like
---------- C:\BOOT.INI
If its not there it should say
File not found - C:\boot.ini
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Yoshi Horohito
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:55:00 -
[1234]
The Yoshi Horohito fix:
Here is what I did and it seems to be working for me, as I just rebooted and risked my computer not working to help the rest of you.
Now I have Windows 2000 professional and have no idea if this is a fix for Windows XP, but checking won't hurt.
So I went to start and then search, to search my files and folders for "boot.ini". I came up with a boot.ini located in my Eve folder (good job guys) and a boot.ini.backup located in C:\WINNT\pss. I copied the file called boot.ini.backup to my desktop and opened it with notepad......it looked pretty ok based on what you guys have been typing as what should be in it. I went up to file then save as and saved it as boot.ini.
On my desktop it still had the .backup extension just to **** me off so I clicked on the name of the file to rename it and simply deleted the .backup part of the name thus leaving it called boot.ini
I then copied this new boot.ini file (it magically transformed its icon appearance when I deleted .backup) to my C drive. I did this by opening "my computer" then doubble clicking the C: drive and dragging the boot.ini file in there.
I did the test to see if I had a boot.ini file now by doing what CCP said to check: Start: Control Panel: System: Advanced: Startup and Recovery: Settings.
This time it didn't alert me to my boot.ini file being missing, originally it had.
I then crossed my fingers and restarted my computer as it was the only way I would find out if this boot.ini.backup file that I had converted had all the info in it necessary to allow my computer to actually reboot correctly.
Since I am making this post here, I'm assuming this fixed my computer and the boot.ini file I put in the C: drive is still there and hasn't re-disappeared or anything.
So hopefully that will help the few of you who have not rebooted your computer yet and are waiting for CCP to figure something like this out for you.......
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Beara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:56:00 -
[1235]
Originally by: Beara
ok. I restored my computer to an earlier date and that worked. My question now is do I uninstall eve then reinstall it or just use the patch? If this was answered before I'm sorry, I only read 7 pages in the begining of this thread. Thanks
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Trask II
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:57:00 -
[1236]
Quote:
HAHAHAH im fixed :) my computer tech friend (currently in school for it anyways) (and im at his house)hooked me up big time but i had already uninstalled EVE good lucks sp2 users and may u be as blessed as me.
ohh btw i love that c/100mil or i'll boot.ini your ship awsome
I like the eve patch slot machine one.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 18:58:00 -
[1237]
Originally by: Yoshi Horohito
The Yoshi Horohito fix:
Here is what I did and it seems to be working for me, as I just rebooted and risked my computer not working to help the rest of you.
Now I have Windows 2000 professional and have no idea if this is a fix for Windows XP, but checking won't hurt.
So I went to start and then search, to search my files and folders for "boot.ini". I came up with a boot.ini located in my Eve folder (good job guys) and a boot.ini.backup located in C:\WINNT\pss. I copied the file called boot.ini.backup to my desktop and opened it with notepad......it looked pretty ok based on what you guys have been typing as what should be in it. I went up to file then save as and saved it as boot.ini.
On my desktop it still had the .backup extension just to **** me off so I clicked on the name of the file to rename it and simply deleted the .backup part of the name thus leaving it called boot.ini
I then copied this new boot.ini file (it magically transformed its icon appearance when I deleted .backup) to my C drive. I did this by opening "my computer" then doubble clicking the C: drive and dragging the boot.ini file in there.
I did the test to see if I had a boot.ini file now by doing what CCP said to check: Start: Control Panel: System: Advanced: Startup and Recovery: Settings.
This time it didn't alert me to my boot.ini file being missing, originally it had.
I then crossed my fingers and restarted my computer as it was the only way I would find out if this boot.ini.backup file that I had converted had all the info in it necessary to allow my computer to actually reboot correctly.
Since I am making this post here, I'm assuming this fixed my computer and the boot.ini file I put in the C: drive is still there and hasn't re-disappeared or anything.
So hopefully that will help the few of you who have not rebooted your computer yet and are waiting for CCP to figure something like this out for you.......
another good way to fix it yes, grats n thanx (on behalf of those too ****ed to give such)
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
Beara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:03:00 -
[1238]
Do I have to un install eve and re install it. Or can I use the patch now
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Petra Arkanas
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:03:00 -
[1239]
So,,,,,,
1) In installed the patch about 1 hour after it became available
2) In installed the grpahical upgrade half an hour after that
(Windows XP installed on C Drive, Eve-Online installed on C Drive)
3) I sampled the new beauty of the patch - and well done on the new graphics btw ccp, its truly stunning - just a shame that this mess will overshadow it.....
4) I turned off my PC (full power down) and went off to bed to dream of shiny new spaceships
5) Today, I've speeded all the way home from work and pushed the kids off the computer and eagerly booted up EVE only to be told "hold up"
6) Now like other people are reporting on this thread - I've looked to see if there is Boot.ini file is on my C Drive, where it should be, and it's not........
7) So what is my next move?
Do I
a) Reboot and hope it keeps working
or
b) Create a new boot.ini file
or
(Other)?
Please help, my PC is stuffed with family photos and other irreplaceable stuff and yeah, yeah yeah, I know it should all be backed up, but it aint and I dont wanna lose it.
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agravator
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:03:00 -
[1240]
So is the patch now fixed or is this problem still there?
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ManofFace
Caldari
K.O.R.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:04:00 -
[1241]
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Ailean Caldaire
Originally by: Kordesh
Just a note, it's equally as outrageous to demand the firing and total disruption of some poor sap who misplaced a "/" somewhere amongst billions of lines of code. But then again, people are out for blood, and being sensible is out the window for most people right now.
It's not outrageous. This is a serious example of someone (or someones) not doing their job(s) and they should be punished. If a factory is producing sparkplugs for your car and a bunch come through faulty, and make it all the way out into cars, someone should be fired to take care of those who's cars didn't start. QA (quality assurance) is a big part of programming any major piece of software from a major company, which CCP is. It may be slightly outrageous to say "Oh, fire the programmer, hang him/shoot him/castrate him", but the QA guys/gals should definitely be given a severe going over and the department should be reworked.
It is CCP's responsibility to us as consumers to produce a product that is going to be safe to use, just as it is the responsibility of McDonald's to produce "safe" food. If McD's puts out burgers with E.Coli in them they get sued, so there should definitely be repercussions for CCP. That being said, the talk of lawsuits is quite premature. If CCP doesn't respond to this, sure..sue them to the best of your ability. FIRST, give them a change to respond and apologize for the damage they have caused. They have a lot of egg on their faces right now and I'd be willing to bet that there is a lot of finger pointing and name calling going on in Iceland right now.
Let them get this mess sorted out, make an official statement/response, then start talking lawsuits and reimbursement. For now, lets just get the problem fixed.
No! You completely wrong! And any company controlled in such way would be a disaster!
You do NEVER fire a good employee just because he made 1 mistake, doesn't matter how serious it was. Everyone makes mistakes from time to time. If he constantly did that type of stuff, then yes, firing would be reasonable.
Polinus,
I am not sure what kind of business experience you have in managing a development company but it's not that way in most corporate environments. Whoever is responsible is the party who gets the punishment and maybe also the manager of the department for letting a product get out that has not been fully checked.
I agree with Ailean Caldair in what he says as it won't do us any good to not give the company a chance to redeem themselves.
And if you wonder about my experience. I am an IT Administrator/Manager of a 1000+ employee company. So I think I have just A LITTLE bit of experience on this one. :) |
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:05:00 -
[1242]
Edited by: Ader on 06/12/2007 19:05:15
Made another, anyone that wants to use it feel free to do so.
I added the "fake" word so the most gullible ppl. dont get fooled.
http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0712/sigstaff.gif
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Iwishai Wazahero
Scrofulous Wealth
Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:05:00 -
[1243]
Can I make a request please, Unfortunatly i've read a lot of this thread and i'd like to ask one thing of all those people that have "Destroyed your computer beyond repair , Lost data, lost the will to live etc"
Proof Or Stfu
I have a feeling a lot of you, (Notsaying all) fall into one of the following catagories.
Catagory A: I have corrected the problems that your crappy patch did to my boot.ini file and all is now working. However i'm going to ***** and cause drama on teh interweb to inflate me e-peen and enlarge the drama-bomb.
Catagory B: I didn't even download your patch till AFTER the error was corrected but i'm going to pretend I did anyway and goto teh forums, Lolz.
Catagory C: This catagory is for those unfortunate folks that TRULLY are computer illitirate, And if anything like my good old brother would have tried to resolve this problem by smacking the case repeatably with an appopiate tool (Hammer) .
YES, the error on CCP's part was a stupid one, but come on people, Who hasn't misstyped something while working or made a slight mistake. At the end of the day it's not the end of the world, and for those of you crying about your work pc being dead and the **** your in ! Why have games on your work pc ffs
Iwishai
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Cagot
Gallente
Arcanus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:06:00 -
[1244]
Running WinXP Pro sp2. I noticed it saying "Invalid boot.ini - booting from Windows" and didn't know what it was about until today's announcement, but it did boot.
I executed the instructions in this stickied Dev thread (following all the instructions) and it delivered -- no more error message on reboot! Good recover, CCP.
I must say I like the new skins, even though I only fly Gallente ships. I'm still sad about all the drone nerfing, but at least I can appreciate the beauty of my ships as they go down!
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Yoshi Horohito
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:06:00 -
[1245]
Petra see if you have a boot.ini.backup file somewhere and do what I said to do in my long post above yours......
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Voots
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:07:00 -
[1246]
A quick note, my boot.ini backup file was slightly different than the one quoted in this thread.
Mine also included the line "/noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer"
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John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:08:00 -
[1247]
You truly are a bunch of ******* muppets aren't you.
Make a Difference
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petergriffen
Amarr
Dufrene Holdings. INC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:14:00 -
[1248]
Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero
Can I make a request please, Unfortunatly i've read a lot of this thread and i'd like to ask one thing of all those people that have "Destroyed your computer beyond repair , Lost data, lost the will to live etc"
Proof Or Stfu
I have a feeling a lot of you, (Notsaying all) fall into one of the following catagories.
Catagory A: I have corrected the problems that your crappy patch did to my boot.ini file and all is now working. However i'm going to ***** and cause drama on teh interweb to inflate me e-peen and enlarge the drama-bomb.
Catagory B: I didn't even download your patch till AFTER the error was corrected but i'm going to pretend I did anyway and goto teh forums, Lolz.
Catagory C: This catagory is for those unfortunate folks that TRULLY are computer illitirate, And if anything like my good old brother would have tried to resolve this problem by smacking the case repeatably with an appopiate tool (Hammer) .
YES, the error on CCP's part was a stupid one, but come on people, Who hasn't misstyped something while working or made a slight mistake. At the end of the day it's not the end of the world, and for those of you crying about your work pc being dead and the **** your in ! Why have games on your work pc ffs
Iwishai
You left out one...
Category D: I have corrected the problem and realize it was a simple mistake on CCPs part. I hope that they can do a better job of catching this the next time. Meanwhile, I'm going to sit here and either try to help other people who are affected, point out the flaws of others who are either too stupid to read the instructions in the first two posts, or just want to flame away and threaten CCP with account cancellations and baseless class action lawsuits. Then I am going to laugh at them. Loudly. For weeks. Especially if they hose their own systems.
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NeoTheo
Caldari
Species 5618
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:14:00 -
[1249]
Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero
YES, the error on CCP's part was a stupid one, but come on people, Who hasn't misstyped something while working or made a slight mistake.
Iwishai
NO, JUST NO.
Sisi is there for a reason, someone reported this in a topic on the forums days previous. (admittedly i dont know if they /bugged it). Secondly they had been patching Sisi right upuntill the day they launched the patch.
EVERYONE on the test server was saying "this patch aint ready" (or at least a huge number of us), however ccp decided to "stick its head down and run at it" like a bull in a china shop, and OHHHHH look what happened.
i have been working in computing for 15 years, and whilst yes we all make mistakes, this smacks of lax testing proceedures, and total dissregard of any sort of proceedure in order to make a launchdate.
Trinity shouldnt have gone live yet, i knew that, ccp should have know that, and now the whole worlds computing press knows it.
shame really cause i love this game, but in all honesty, i am disgusted.
/Theo.
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Marcus Ailichi
Lonely Maple Prospecting Group
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:15:00 -
[1250]
Edited by: Marcus Ailichi on 06/12/2007 19:18:08
Originally by: NeoTheo
Originally by: Iwishai Wazahero
YES, the error on CCP's part was a stupid one, but come on people, Who hasn't misstyped something while working or made a slight mistake.
Iwishai
NO, JUST NO.
Sisi is there for a reason, someone reported this in a topic on the forums days previous. (admittedly i dont know if they /bugged it). Secondly they had been patching Sisi right upuntill the day they launched the patch.
EVERYONE on the test server was saying "this patch aint ready" (or at least a huge number of us), however ccp decided to "stick its head down and run at it" like a bull in a china shop, and OHHHHH look what happened.
i have been working in computing for 15 years, and whilst yes we all make mistakes, this smacks of lax testing proceedures, and total dissregard of any sort of proceedure in order to make a launchdate.
Trinity shouldnt have gone live yet, i knew that, ccp should have know that, and now the whole worlds computing press knows it.
shame really cause i love this game, but in all honesty, i am disgusted.
/Theo.
I have been working in computing for 60 years and I say you need to take it easy. How many bugs there are? Boot.ini, undocking and implants? Oh wow, 3 bugs in the most major addidion in EVE history, maybe even any MMO ever.
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Alex Oresmith
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:15:00 -
[1251]
Fix for the missing XP System Recovery CD
If, like me, you have an OEM machine with a computer maker like HP that is too cheap to supply you with a System Recovery CD, there is a way to work around this problem if you have a floppy disk installed. This link takes you to the microsoft web page for the files to download: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;[LN];310994
You will need 6 formatted floppy disks. I use SP2, so I selected the SP2 download. It worked for me, and allowed me to otherwise go in and use the other fixes involved in fixing the deleted boot.ini.
Now that my computer is back functioning, the next thing I will do is terminate, with EXTREME PREJUDICE, my Eve-Online account. I nearly lost my entire hard drive of irrecoverable family pictures due to this nonsense. I don't intend to take another chance with CCP. (And yes, I will also be getting backup dvices to make the backups I should have made of the photos and videos. This was a wake up call to the need to do that too.)
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TehMinerer
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:17:00 -
[1252]
Originally by: Marcus Ailichi
I'm sure this has been suggested already, but rather than blaming CCP, how about blaming micrsoft for putting system critical text file in your root that is possible to be deleted.
Because Microsoft didn't delete files to ruin my computer.
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Elryth Poisonblade
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:17:00 -
[1253]
Ok, so I downloaded restarted don't have a boot.ini. Yes a very easy problem to fix but i have no xp cd here (at uni) and my desktop has no floppy and my laptop can't write cds. Any ideas? I have an external SATA hdd that i can link up to my laptop, and a usb hdd mp3 that can be used as mass storage.
Thanks in advance
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eveplayer11
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:17:00 -
[1254]
Hillmar, Oveur & rest please dont die of stress We love you.. |
Nicho Void
Hyper-Nova
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:18:00 -
[1255]
Originally by: eveplayer11
Hillmar, Oveur & rest please dont die of stress We love you..
This. Keep fighting the good fight.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:18:00 -
[1256]
Originally by: Barakkus
yes
and since people aren't going to read a whole 50 pages of posts i'll just repost this again:
if you have this issue and can not boot to the point of being able to recreate the file youself see this article for instructions on how to recreate the boot.ini file via the recovery console from your windows xp cd.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/en-us
this will recreate the file without having to try to figure it out youself
if you can can not boot from an XP cd, get a set of boot floppies made from a good installation of xp somewhere, then you can use a usb floppy to get a recovery console to repair your installation, but you will need access to a machine that has a working copy of xp installed on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824632/en-us
I have just tried this fix above...i didn't get ver far.
'bootcfg /list - there are no boot entries to display
'bootcfg /rebuild - failed to succesfully scan the disks for windows instillations. This error may be caused by a corrupt file system, which would prevent bootcfg from succesfully scanning. Use chkdsk to detct an disk errors...'
so...what do i do next??
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:19:00 -
[1257]
Originally by: Tango Sokolov
Edited by: Tango Sokolov on 06/12/2007 08:04:24
Originally by: Tango Sokolov
Here is why restarting your computer even with a nuked boot.ini works:
If you have edited nothing after your boot.ini was killed, and you restart, Windows will choke while trying to find the file and call to the backup. It replaces the file on it's own. I AM NOT SAYING GO RESTART YOUR COMPUTER.
I however, am on a boot camped MacBook Pro, and am now screwed. Very very screwed.
OKAY! I finally fixed the issue without having to go back a few days and delete a bunch of my new Illustrator work in the process.
FOR BOOT CAMP USERS:
Your boot.ini file should look like this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
Boot Camp makes an odd partition and I haven't figured out it's use, but that means it puts XP on the third partition. It also requires "/noexecute=optin".
This has been tested and works fine. Follow the normal instructions to creating a new boot.ini file and place the above text in the file instead. I hope this helps, I'm not sure how many Boot Camp users there are out there. This is also exactly like the Dell boot.ini, but with partition 3 instead of 2.
Ok, I run Boot Camp, on a Mac Book Pro, and sadly i also restarted my computer into this issue. How do i find out which version of Windows XP i have and will that matter for the boot.ini file. I am not sure if it is the professional version or not.
D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:19:00 -
[1258]
Originally by: Nicho Void
Originally by: eveplayer11
Hillmar, Oveur & rest please dont die of stress We love you..
This. Keep fighting the good fight.
Agreed
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Da Ram
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:20:00 -
[1259]
WTF !?
No game has to access files outside its own directory and perhaps the windows folders.
If that error has been reported before even more WTF !
Wasted some time and effort here until I got my main PC running again.
More than just a "we apologize" is in order here.
Ram
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Jae FelSaen
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:20:00 -
[1260]
Alright, so while I seldom reboot, it's true you never know when the power might go out or somesuch...
I need some help please. I ran your fix because my boot.ini file was gone. It found a path for a boot partition so everything may be fine.
But before I write this off as a silly mistake and continue to enjoy this wonderful game let me make sure this is going to work with my setup. Before patching yesterday I had 2 drives and two operating systems. I originally installed windows XP on my c:/ and then later put in another hard drive and installed windows vista ultimate on that one. From that point on when I start up my computer it asks me to select my operating system from "Windows Vista" or "earlier version of windows" with a default on windows vista with a timeout of like 10 seconds. I rarely use vista *slight retch* and at the moment that hard drive isn't even plugged in. This tells me that when I installed vista it modified the boot.ini file on my c:/ to point it towards my other drive containing the primary partition.
I dont really care about my vista drive so I have two questions- will my system (after running your fix) now boot to win xp as the primary partition? and also if I run system restore will it reload my old boot.ini files and all will be as it was?
Thanks for your help! Don't get discourgaed CCP. Your game still kicks the sh!t outta WoW! <3 |
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Ishura
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:20:00 -
[1261]
Im running 2 OS'S vista on one drive and XP on the other didnt have the problem with the boot.ini file.
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Yoshi Horohito
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:22:00 -
[1262]
Originally by: Elryth Poisonblade
Ok, so I downloaded restarted don't have a boot.ini. Yes a very easy problem to fix but i have no xp cd here (at uni) and my desktop has no floppy and my laptop can't write cds. Any ideas? I have an external SATA hdd that i can link up to my laptop, and a usb hdd mp3 that can be used as mass storage.
Thanks in advance
Do a file search for boot.ini, if you find a file called boot.ini.backup copy it to your C: drive and delete the .backup part of its name, just leaving it called boot.ini
In theory that will fix it IF your version of windows created a .backup copy of boot.ini when windows was installed......on Windows 2000 it did.....so good luck
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:23:00 -
[1263]
Ummm, if i am running Boot Camp on a Mac Book Pro, how do i get on to windows in the first place to get into the files to change this boot.ini?
D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S
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Beara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:24:00 -
[1264]
Do i have to uninstall eve and reinstall or does the patch work now
Originally by: Beara
Do I have to un install eve and re install it. Or can I use the patch now
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convickt
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:25:00 -
[1265]
I havent installed the update yet and by the look of it i wont to day.
I just reopend my account to see the uppdate.
First of all i do not understand computers and all i can do is turn them of and on.
i went thru the first post in this thread and i did not understand a singel thing how to uppdate eve.
Now its 19:20 in iceland and first of all dose ccp have this fixed or not if so is it save to uppdate or not,if not when will i be save to do so.
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:26:00 -
[1266]
Originally by: Da Ram
WTF !?
If that error has been reported before even more WTF !
It was mentioned by one user on some part of the(this)forum 3rd Dec.
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Barkel
Minmatar
Amesha Spentaz
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:26:00 -
[1267]
Originally by: Gaven Blands
Edited by: Gaven Blands on 06/12/2007 12:44:56
Quite how an EULA can say "we accept no responsibility, despite being blatantly obviously responsible for it" is beyond me.
I haven't read the 30+ pages of replies after this one so if anyone else has mentioned this already I'm sorry for the repeat.
Bluntly put an EULA can say *anything* and the enforceability is highly questionable and depends very much on what is said and what part of it is being disputed.
Generally speaking though the parts that say things in the nature of were not liable for any harmful action this product does through either intent or incompetence is *not* legally viable in most jurisdictions.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:27:00 -
[1268]
Crap like this is why best practice is to put the OS and everything else on separate partitions (split into OS, logs, home, applications, and data if you're running *NIX).
*slaps every PC manufacturer out there for helping to make this problem worse*
Oh, and it also sucks that most Windows games can't be installed unless you're an administrative user. >.<
E:\EVE FTW, for me, but it still sucks that Windows is built from the ground up to make this crap easier. Don't worry, Vista users - your turn will come.
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Elryth Poisonblade
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:27:00 -
[1269]
Originally by: Yoshi Horohito
Originally by: Elryth Poisonblade
Ok, so I downloaded restarted don't have a boot.ini. Yes a very easy problem to fix but i have no xp cd here (at uni) and my desktop has no floppy and my laptop can't write cds. Any ideas? I have an external SATA hdd that i can link up to my laptop, and a usb hdd mp3 that can be used as mass storage.
Thanks in advance
Do a file search for boot.ini, if you find a file called boot.ini.backup copy it to your C: drive and delete the .backup part of its name, just leaving it called boot.ini
In theory that will fix it IF your version of windows created a .backup copy of boot.ini when windows was installed......on Windows 2000 it did.....so good luck
I should have specified that my comp will not start so i cant search for anything, thanks for replying tho.
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Hurog Turgon
Halfwits
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:27:00 -
[1270]
Quote:
Let me guess you are from the United Sue Alot also known as the United Sack Alot?
Best post ever. Uber alles pwned. PEW PEW hit the I win button.
Let me get this straight. If I were to produce a patch for a game, test it, give press releases touting its benefits and stating its best thing yet and then render hundreds if not thousands of computers useless that are owned by customers and then expect to keep my job. Sheesh. What rock do you live under?
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:27:00 -
[1271]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Barakkus
yes
and since people aren't going to read a whole 50 pages of posts i'll just repost this again:
if you have this issue and can not boot to the point of being able to recreate the file youself see this article for instructions on how to recreate the boot.ini file via the recovery console from your windows xp cd.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/en-us
this will recreate the file without having to try to figure it out youself
if you can can not boot from an XP cd, get a set of boot floppies made from a good installation of xp somewhere, then you can use a usb floppy to get a recovery console to repair your installation, but you will need access to a machine that has a working copy of xp installed on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824632/en-us
I have just tried this fix above...i didn't get ver far.
'bootcfg /list - there are no boot entries to display
'bootcfg /rebuild - failed to succesfully scan the disks for windows instillations. This error may be caused by a corrupt file system, which would prevent bootcfg from succesfully scanning. Use chkdsk to detct an disk errors...'
so...what do i do next??
Taking my above post into account...can i still re-install my OS with this boot.ini. file misisng or does that not work? Cos i am now seriously stuck.
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the Burglar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:28:00 -
[1272]
Just want to clarify one thing, I have EVE installed on a second drive, is it OK to install the eveclassictopremiumpatch45017.exe ?
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javer
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:28:00 -
[1273]
sorry to say but this is a failure by the qa department that will have to make heads roll and procedures revised or eve can go to some dark hot place then stay there before i will install another patch
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:30:00 -
[1274]
Edited by: Wizzkidy on 06/12/2007 19:30:25
CCP should NOT be touching anything to do with my BOOT.INI file.
This patch deployment is a complete bodge job. If ANY company that deals in the IT indutry done this they would lose ALOT of trust and respect.
I work for a large IT company that has to roll out hotfixes and patches around the year, how would I look if I happened to release a series of patches that screwed users machines? - It would make my company look like a complete chocolate tea pot.
No, I have to test and test oh and tet again, infact I have to run numious tests in before I'm even remotly happy.
This is a BIG thing to miss, Sometimes I wonder how something THIS BIG is missed?
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:31:00 -
[1275]
This is turning into a giant mis-information thread, not very helpful to those affected even if most people replying have the best of intentions.
The mods should post a couple of locked threads containing only the proved solutions to the problems not all the *****ing and untested and unreliable solutions.
There should be two threads, one for those affected that have re-started their pc and one for those affected that haven't re-started their computers.
For god's sake, some-one get organised around here, this is chaos.
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d1v1n1ty
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:31:00 -
[1276]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Barakkus
yes
and since people aren't going to read a whole 50 pages of posts i'll just repost this again:
if you have this issue and can not boot to the point of being able to recreate the file youself see this article for instructions on how to recreate the boot.ini file via the recovery console from your windows xp cd.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/en-us
this will recreate the file without having to try to figure it out youself
if you can can not boot from an XP cd, get a set of boot floppies made from a good installation of xp somewhere, then you can use a usb floppy to get a recovery console to repair your installation, but you will need access to a machine that has a working copy of xp installed on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824632/en-us
I have just tried this fix above...i didn't get ver far.
'bootcfg /list - there are no boot entries to display
'bootcfg /rebuild - failed to succesfully scan the disks for windows instillations. This error may be caused by a corrupt file system, which would prevent bootcfg from succesfully scanning. Use chkdsk to detct an disk errors...'
so...what do i do next??
Taking my above post into account...can i still re-install my OS with this boot.ini. file misisng or does that not work? Cos i am now seriously stuck.
Goodness...Do not do reinstalls!!! Go to the first post in this thread and read the fix.
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Beara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:32:00 -
[1277]
I'm not a tech wizard and I still dont know if I have to uninstall and reinstall eve
Originally by: Beara
Do i have to uninstall eve and reinstall or does the patch work now
Originally by: Beara
Do I have to un install eve and re install it. Or can I use the patch now
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the Burglar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:33:00 -
[1278]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
This is turning into a giant mis-information thread, not very helpful to those affected even if most people replying have the best of intentions.
The mods should post a couple of locked threads containing only the proved solutions to the problems not all the *****ing and untested and unreliable solutions.
There should be two threads, one for those affected that have re-started their pc and one for those affected that haven't re-started their computers.
For god's sake, some-one get organised around here, this is chaos.
I second that.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:33:00 -
[1279]
I have tried to fix this using the link provided to the Microsoft website...this is not working.
Am i able to re-install the OS? In other words...will intalling the OS fix the problem or does it need to be fixed as per links to Microsoft website in previous posts.
Please help here...this isn't even my PC.
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EunHjzjined
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:33:00 -
[1280]
IDK about anyone else. But, here it goes.
I have been using safe computing tactics from day one. That for me at least, means that one of the first things I do is to make the c:\boot.ini file READ-ONLY and un-hide it.
Another way of keeping this from happening is to make sure you
A] Don't install games to your root drive.
B] Make sure you have Windows Critical System File Protection [SFP]TURNED ON.
Else, you are making yourself look and feel stupid when your system gets borked from someone else's oversights.
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Volus Arden
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:33:00 -
[1281]
So... should I be safe to download the client AGAIN, or will they f@ck me over, AGAIN?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:33:00 -
[1282]
Originally by: javer
sorry to say but this is a failure by the qa department that will have to make heads roll and procedures revised or eve can go to some dark hot place then stay there before i will install another patch
No it wont. They will let it blow over like all the other scandals. Id probably do the same if I was the boss of what appears to be quite a close nit group of collegues.
Id contact the NY times, talk about a player 'inquisition' to make sure this never happens again. Wait untill everyone has forgotten about it. Quietly ditch the idea. Then sit laughing as my subscription goes through the roof.
SKUNK
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:34:00 -
[1283]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
This is turning into a giant mis-information thread, not very helpful to those affected even if most people replying have the best of intentions.
The mods should post a couple of locked threads containing only the proved solutions to the problems not all the *****ing and untested and unreliable solutions.
There should be two threads, one for those affected that have re-started their pc and one for those affected that haven't re-started their computers.
For god's sake, some-one get organised around here, this is chaos.
Agreed. There are a lot of people screaming about things they don't understand and it's not helping. We need some concise, locked threads about the issue.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:34:00 -
[1284]
Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Barakkus
yes
and since people aren't going to read a whole 50 pages of posts i'll just repost this again:
if you have this issue and can not boot to the point of being able to recreate the file youself see this article for instructions on how to recreate the boot.ini file via the recovery console from your windows xp cd.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/en-us
this will recreate the file without having to try to figure it out youself
if you can can not boot from an XP cd, get a set of boot floppies made from a good installation of xp somewhere, then you can use a usb floppy to get a recovery console to repair your installation, but you will need access to a machine that has a working copy of xp installed on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824632/en-us
I have just tried this fix above...i didn't get ver far.
'bootcfg /list - there are no boot entries to display
'bootcfg /rebuild - failed to succesfully scan the disks for windows instillations. This error may be caused by a corrupt file system, which would prevent bootcfg from succesfully scanning. Use chkdsk to detct an disk errors...'
so...what do i do next??
Taking my above post into account...can i still re-install my OS with this boot.ini. file misisng or does that not work? Cos i am now seriously stuck.
Goodness...Do not do reinstalls!!! Go to the first post in this thread and read the fix.
I have done...see bold.
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Zuthep
Amped Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:34:00 -
[1285]
For anyone who dosent have a boot.ini file loacted in their C drive, ive managed ot get a backup of mine, luckily, and ive uploaded it onto Rapidshare.
So if u dont have it and your windows is located in the default location, C. Then place this copy of mine here:
Local Disk (C:)
Download from here:
http://rapidshare.com/files/74754782/boot.ini
After you have downloaded this copy which works ONLY! for Windows SP2 XP Home Editon and placed it in C: . Then go to Start/RUN, type : msconfig, If there is a TAB which Says BOOT.ini then you have got it right so far , click on that TAB and press "Check All Boot Paths", If it says everything is A-ok then you will be promted to restart your pc when you exit msconfig, restart your pc and you will be in the clear, if an error comes up then you will need to do a bit of editing which can be found here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022/
If u have any more questions then u can ask me or even better the dev team.
Only trying to help as i have had to all ready fix my neighobours computer via the repair console and it aint fun to do... as it boring. lol
ive restarted my pc and it works fine, Hope this helps anyone with XP HOME Service Pack 2
Best of luck on the hunt for the missing boot.ini file
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:35:00 -
[1286]
Originally by: Hurog Turgon
Let me get this straight. If I were to produce a patch for a game, test it, give press releases touting its benefits and stating its best thing yet and then render hundreds if not thousands of computers useless that are owned by customers and then expect to keep my job. Sheesh. What rock do you live under?
Let me put it this way: If the patch goes perfectly, does the employee get a full share of the resulting profit?
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Crawthar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:35:00 -
[1287]
can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:35:00 -
[1288]
Originally by: EunHjzjined
IDK about anyone else. But, here it goes.
I have been using safe computing tactics from day one. That for me at least, means that one of the first things I do is to make the c:\boot.ini file READ-ONLY and un-hide it.
Another way of keeping this from happening is to make sure you
A] Don't install games to your root drive.
B] Make sure you have Windows Critical System File Protection [SFP]TURNED ON.
Else, you are making yourself look and feel stupid when your system gets borked from someone else's oversights.
And if your TV ingites whilst you are sat on your tiolet reading the paper, you are a fool because you didnt check every component was wired in correctly?
This kind of elitest attitude stinks tbh.
SKUNK
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:36:00 -
[1289]
Originally by: Volus Arden
So... should I be safe to download the client AGAIN, or will they f@ck me over, AGAIN?
The update was locked down and fixed as soon as they discovered the issue, so yes, it's only a problem if you updated the client during that period using the classic client.
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Llamia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:36:00 -
[1290]
most annoying computer experience in my last few years. tried everything read all KBs or whatever. was not able to recover my windows installation. tried for 6 hours then just reinstalled.
we know windows is not perfect, ccp aint too... epic f***up nevertheless.
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Lord Takani
Caldari
Dragon Highlords
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:36:00 -
[1291]
**** happens. Get used to it. :D
Even CCP make mistakes, it's the best way to learn! And to all the whiners i say...... DONT BE LAZY, BACKUPS FTW!
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:36:00 -
[1292]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Barakkus
yes
and since people aren't going to read a whole 50 pages of posts i'll just repost this again:
if you have this issue and can not boot to the point of being able to recreate the file youself see this article for instructions on how to recreate the boot.ini file via the recovery console from your windows xp cd.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/en-us
this will recreate the file without having to try to figure it out youself
if you can can not boot from an XP cd, get a set of boot floppies made from a good installation of xp somewhere, then you can use a usb floppy to get a recovery console to repair your installation, but you will need access to a machine that has a working copy of xp installed on it
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/824632/en-us
I have just tried this fix above...i didn't get ver far.
'bootcfg /list - there are no boot entries to display
'bootcfg /rebuild - failed to succesfully scan the disks for windows instillations. This error may be caused by a corrupt file system, which would prevent bootcfg from succesfully scanning. Use chkdsk to detct an disk errors...'
so...what do i do next??
Taking my above post into account...can i still re-install my OS with this boot.ini. file misisng or does that not work? Cos i am now seriously stuck.
Goodness...Do not do reinstalls!!! Go to the first post in this thread and read the fix.
I have done...see bold.
As someone said earlier, you probably need to turn AHCI off in your bios, I'm guessing (probably in Advanced Chipset Features or some such). Windows can't see your drives.
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:37:00 -
[1293]
I would like to point out, anyone saying they almost lost anything even close to important needs to learn how to back **** up. It's not hard to burn a CD, DVD, use a flash drive, or external hard drive, or SOMETHING. If you have stuff you don't want to lose, and only keep it in one place, you're putting yourself at risk and can't really blame CCP for that.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:37:00 -
[1294]
Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Caliwyrm O'Libr
Red Eye .Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:37:00 -
[1295]
What people need to realize is that computer users are broken down into 2 categories: Those that can fix their computers and those that can't.
To those that can, this is 'no big deal' and they're quick to sluff it off.
However, to the other catgory of people this is catastrophic. They don't know this is from a single file missing. All they know is that "it doesn't work anymore" and for all they know they just lost years of irreplacable photos, tax forms, emails, etc.
When they get their computers repaired they will start weighing the benefits (entertainment) vs the risks (repair bill, the idea that a game update could possibly cause data loss).
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:37:00 -
[1296]
Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 19:38:04
Originally by: Crawthar
can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
If you unhid protected system files and still did not see boot.ini in your root drive, most likely you have been affected. I believe, I'm not positive on this, you can also go to run, enter msconfig and check to see if you have a boot.ini tab and click check all boot paths just to be double sure though.
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Eight Ace
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:38:00 -
[1297]
Edited by: Eight Ace on 06/12/2007 19:38:33
<oops> possibly bum information - deleting </oops>
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Rawstyle
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:38:00 -
[1298]
i'm livid in all honesty, i nearly lost the best part of a years work because of this
i am not a happy bunny
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Eight Ace
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:39:00 -
[1299]
yeah I realised that about 2 seconds later
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:39:00 -
[1300]
Originally by: Eight Ace
Originally by: Crawthar
can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
If you are logged on to this forum posting that message on the computer in question then yes, its fine.
Untrue. He may have simply not rebooted since the update. You can't make that assumption.
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Tucan SonOfSam
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:39:00 -
[1301]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
This is turning into a giant mis-information thread, not very helpful to those affected even if most people replying have the best of intentions.
The mods should post a couple of locked threads containing only the proved solutions to the problems not all the *****ing and untested and unreliable solutions.
There should be two threads, one for those affected that have re-started their pc and one for those affected that haven't re-started their computers.
For god's sake, some-one get organised around here, this is chaos.
Er, I don't know how much I'd trust the people that screwed up my machine to fix it again. I think I'd go to microsoft or ANYONE else besides CCP to fix it. I'm sure that there are plenty of able people in CCP to help with this but with the botch job of the coder, the QA department, and any and all devs that saw complaints to hold off the patch on SiSi I just don't trust CCP that much anymore and view them with caution. Whats really sad, is that I'm sure the guys at Blizzard are laughing, and I hate WoW (never played it but I'm also not 12).
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Yamichi Wiggin
Caldari
Rising Knights
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:39:00 -
[1302]
I'm sure this has been said but how on earth did this get though UAT? (User acceptance testing) Did CCP not test these installers?
Seems scary.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:39:00 -
[1303]
Originally by: Eight Ace
Originally by: Crawthar
can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
If you are logged on to this forum posting that message on the computer in question then yes, its fine.
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Copy that boot.ini.backup to C:\ and rename it to boot.ini
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:39:00 -
[1304]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/12/2007 19:39:50
Originally by: Crawthar
iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
No, probably not, don't take the risk.
Have a look at this:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=4#100
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Yoshi Horohito
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:40:00 -
[1305]
Originally by: Crawthar
can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
Copy that backup file to your C: drive and then click on the name of the file and remove the .backup part of the file name.
Yes that SHOULD fix it......
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Gericault m0id
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:40:00 -
[1306]
Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: javer
sorry to say but this is a failure by the qa department that will have to make heads roll and procedures revised or eve can go to some dark hot place then stay there before i will install another patch
No it wont. They will let it blow over like all the other scandals. Id probably do the same if I was the boss of what appears to be quite a close nit group of collegues.
Id contact the NY times, talk about a player 'inquisition' to make sure this never happens again. Wait untill everyone has forgotten about it. Quietly ditch the idea. Then sit laughing as my subscription goes through the roof.
SKUNK
Unfortunately, you're right. Somebody must get fired for this one. Surely they must test major patch deployment on multiple OS before rolling it out to the EVE population!
Anyway, I was one of the lucky ones (I think) I started updating the client at 03:52 and got cut off in the middle (not because of CCP but because my computer crashed!!!) Had no problem starting it up this morning. Good thing because it's my work computer and I'm traveling.
I'm sure somebody is reading through EULA riht now seeing how they might screw over CCP and in my opinion they have all the right in the world to put a bit of pressure.
Patch that doens't work... can live with it. Patch that could potentially destroy your life in the near to medium term... serious issue.
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Furious Hawk
Caldari
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:41:00 -
[1307]
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 19:41:31
Ok, well it would appear my computer was not affected, so I'm confused. I did a system restore to the day before Trinity's launch anyway, and took a peek in my C drive root directory. There is no boot file there, yet the computer starts fine. There is however a backup boot file in some other folder, as well as a boot file in the EVE folder (wtf CCP?).
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Wizzkidy
Demonic Retribution
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:42:00 -
[1308]
Originally by: Yamichi Wiggin
I'm sure this has been said but how on earth did this get though UAT? (User acceptance testing) Did CCP not test these installers?
Seems scary.
This. Absolutly terrible UAT (if any)
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:43:00 -
[1309]
Originally by: Rawstyle
i'm livid in all honesty, i nearly lost the best part of a years work because of this
i am not a happy bunny
Your computer could always crash at any moment for any reason.
Always keep separate copies of important documents.
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Victor Ivanov
Minmatar
The Fated
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:43:00 -
[1310]
I for one welcome our CCP overlords.
That Boot.ini guy was just asking for it, tbh.
I'm happy CCP took steps against the terror it was unleashing on its servants.
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ndal
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:43:00 -
[1311]
Originally by: Crawthar
can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
You need to rename that file to boot.ini and move it to c:\
I would copy it to the c:\ then rename it
you might also need to change some properties of the file look at the first page
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:43:00 -
[1312]
Originally by: Cailais
Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
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J Valkor
Blackguard Brigade
Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:43:00 -
[1313]
Nothing I have could ever be forever lost from having to reinstall windows.
That being said, my firewall saved a back up for me that I was able to find and use. So... yay.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:44:00 -
[1314]
Originally by: Poreuomai
Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/12/2007 19:39:50
Originally by: Crawthar
iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
No, probably not, don't take the risk.
Have a look at this:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=4#100
Heh. The only people that won't work for (people who for some reason got a wild hair and installed their Windows partition on a drive on the secondary slave controller slot) probably have already fixed it... but they really should have included all 4 for completeness, and noted that people with non-standard configurations should be suspicious. Then again, only whackos like me have more than three hard drives in their system these days.
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Oviedo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:44:00 -
[1315]
Grrr buggered my work laptop while on travel.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:45:00 -
[1316]
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 19:41:31
Ok, well it would appear my computer was not affected, so I'm confused. I did a system restore to the day before Trinity's launch anyway, and took a peek in my C drive root directory. There is no boot file there, yet the computer starts fine. There is however a backup boot file in some other folder, as well as a boot file in the EVE folder (wtf CCP?).
Even if you have show hidden files selected, you won't see the boot.ini file unless you have the folder showing protected system files as well which is a different setting. The backup files will show by simply having hidden files shown.
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Yinmax
Serret's Harem
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:45:00 -
[1317]
Edited by: Yinmax on 06/12/2007 19:45:48
See this please. Much better fix.
10 second Fix
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d1v1n1ty
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:45:00 -
[1318]
Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 06/12/2007 19:46:12
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 19:41:31
Ok, well it would appear my computer was not affected, so I'm confused. I did a system restore to the day before Trinity's launch anyway, and took a peek in my C drive root directory. There is no boot file there, yet the computer starts fine. There is however a backup boot file in some other folder, as well as a boot file in the EVE folder (wtf CCP?).
boot.ini is a hidden and system file, by default these aren't shown.
If your computer boots up fine...you're ok.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:45:00 -
[1319]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Cailais
Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
Won't happen unless he's unfortunate enough to have a fat32 file system - MS DOS has no clue what NTFS is.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:45:00 -
[1320]
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
As someone said earlier, you probably need to turn AHCI off in your bios, I'm guessing (probably in Advanced Chipset Features or some such). Windows can't see your drives.
Ok well i am one of the poor sods who shut down and can reboot. I have tried to do the Microsoft fix and it wont find/read the disk or list boot files because it cannot find any. It said i must use scandisk to locate errors on the drive..i did and now it says there are are unrecoverable eerros on the drive.
Now i am completely stuck. Where can i find info on how to disable the AHCI cos this is really starting to **** me off. Its a flippin ú4000 XPS and its not evne mine ffs!
Please help meh!
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:45:00 -
[1321]
Originally by: Wizzkidy
Edited by: Wizzkidy on 06/12/2007 19:30:25
CCP should NOT be touching anything to do with my BOOT.INI file.
This patch deployment is a complete bodge job. If ANY company that deals in the IT indutry done this they would lose ALOT of trust and respect.
I work for a large IT company that has to roll out hotfixes and patches around the year, how would I look if I happened to release a series of patches that screwed users machines? - It would make my company look like a complete chocolate tea pot.
No, I have to test and test oh and tet again, infact I have to run numious tests in before I'm even remotly happy.
This is a BIG thing to miss, Sometimes I wonder how something THIS BIG is missed?
Simple:
They did not wanted to touch taht file. They wanted to delete EVE boot.ini. But a misplaced / did it go wrong. Why was not detected?
Because Every windows 2K and windows XP up to date on services packs and automatic updates is imune to such. So most likely they only tested in up to date machines. No other choice is possible. Its impossible to test a complex software such this in every configuration possible of windows updating.
Any user that was usign its windows correctly was safe.
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Yinmax
Serret's Harem
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:47:00 -
[1322]
10 second fix
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Crawthar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:47:00 -
[1323]
Originally by: Yoshi Horohito
Originally by: Crawthar
can someone help me? iv checked the harddrive, made files visible and unhidden protected files, but i couldnt see the boot.ini file. However when i search my files it shows a boot.ini.backup. Is my computer ok?
Copy that backup file to your C: drive and then click on the name of the file and remove the .backup part of the file name.
Yes that SHOULD fix it......
Thanx for the help. when i try renaming the file it says that a file with the name boot.ini already exists, so im assuming im ok? Is that correct
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Traidor Disloyal
Minmatar
Racketeers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:47:00 -
[1324]
I needed a Windows XP CD, a ps2 keyboard for some reason, and my admin password for my PC. Go to this web page and you will have no problems getting back your boot.ini file:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:47:00 -
[1325]
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Cailais
Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
Won't happen unless he's unfortunate enough to have a fat32 file system - MS DOS has no clue what NTFS is.
Yeah forgot about that. I'm not sure why the CD rom wouldn't work. Usually it can at least still load bootable disks.
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Tritanium Workers Union
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:54:00 -
[1326]
CBa to read teh whole thing, but for those of you wh=ith no windows cd, and access another machine, or have a ubuntu disc handy you can do teh following stuff
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Beara
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:54:00 -
[1327]
Ok. Never mind I tried to start eve and it wouldnt start. I uninstalled it and Im going to reinstall it
Originally by: Beara
I'm not a tech wizard and I still dont know if I have to uninstall and reinstall eve
Originally by: Beara
Do i have to uninstall eve and reinstall or does the patch work now
Originally by: Beara
Do I have to un install eve and re install it. Or can I use the patch now
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Furious Hawk
Caldari
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:55:00 -
[1328]
Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 06/12/2007 19:46:12
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 19:41:31
Ok, well it would appear my computer was not affected, so I'm confused. I did a system restore to the day before Trinity's launch anyway, and took a peek in my C drive root directory. There is no boot file there, yet the computer starts fine. There is however a backup boot file in some other folder, as well as a boot file in the EVE folder (wtf CCP?).
boot.ini is a hidden and system file, by default these aren't shown.
If your computer boots up fine...you're ok.
I had myself set to view all files, hidden or not. It was not there.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:55:00 -
[1329]
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Cailais
Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
Won't happen unless he's unfortunate enough to have a fat32 file system - MS DOS has no clue what NTFS is.
that is correct, someone posted a link to download something that will boot to a command prompt that can read NTFS, there are probably very few people that installed to a FAT32 partition...
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:56:00 -
[1330]
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 06/12/2007 19:46:12
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 19:41:31
Ok, well it would appear my computer was not affected, so I'm confused. I did a system restore to the day before Trinity's launch anyway, and took a peek in my C drive root directory. There is no boot file there, yet the computer starts fine. There is however a backup boot file in some other folder, as well as a boot file in the EVE folder (wtf CCP?).
boot.ini is a hidden and system file, by default these aren't shown.
If your computer boots up fine...you're ok.
I had myself set to view all files, hidden or not. It was not there.
my laptop also had no boot.ini on XP Pro SP2, but booted fine, was kinda surprised, i had windows recreate it anyways just in case...
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:56:00 -
[1331]
Edited by: Lazarann on 06/12/2007 19:56:38
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 06/12/2007 19:46:12
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 19:41:31
Ok, well it would appear my computer was not affected, so I'm confused. I did a system restore to the day before Trinity's launch anyway, and took a peek in my C drive root directory. There is no boot file there, yet the computer starts fine. There is however a backup boot file in some other folder, as well as a boot file in the EVE folder (wtf CCP?).
boot.ini is a hidden and system file, by default these aren't shown.
If your computer boots up fine...you're ok.
You probably have a backup (boot.ini.backup) in C:\Windows\pss like I did. When it can't find boot.ini, it uses the backup. However, it does not create a new boot.ini. You can do it yourself though by copying the backup to C:\ and renaming it to boot.ini.
I had myself set to view all files, hidden or not. It was not there.
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Crawthar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:57:00 -
[1332]
Originally by: ndal
You need to rename that file to boot.ini and move it to c:\
I would copy it to the c:\ then rename it
you might also need to change some properties of the file look at the first page
When iv tried renaming the file, my computer tells me i already have a file named boot.ini. Does this mean my computer is ok? Im not certain im looking in the right location for the file in the first place. Can someone help?
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:57:00 -
[1333]
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Originally by: d1v1n1ty
Edited by: d1v1n1ty on 06/12/2007 19:46:12
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 19:41:31
Ok, well it would appear my computer was not affected, so I'm confused. I did a system restore to the day before Trinity's launch anyway, and took a peek in my C drive root directory. There is no boot file there, yet the computer starts fine. There is however a backup boot file in some other folder, as well as a boot file in the EVE folder (wtf CCP?).
boot.ini is a hidden and system file, by default these aren't shown.
If your computer boots up fine...you're ok.
I had myself set to view all files, hidden or not. It was not there.
Do you by any chance have Windows Vista? If yes boot.ini doesn't exist in Vista
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 19:58:00 -
[1334]
Originally by: Crawthar
Originally by: ndal
You need to rename that file to boot.ini and move it to c:\
I would copy it to the c:\ then rename it
you might also need to change some properties of the file look at the first page
When iv tried renaming the file, my computer tells me i already have a file named boot.ini. Does this mean my computer is ok? Im not certain im looking in the right location for the file in the first place. Can someone help?
Make sure you can see hidden files AND operating system files. The latter is probably why you don't see it. Pretty safe to say though, if it says it's there, it probably is.
To check, go to start -> Run and type msconfig. A new window will open, and there should be a tab called boot.ini. If there is, you're fine.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:00:00 -
[1335]
I'Ve just got frakked by eve, warped into a mission, Eve froze, crashed, took my Video drivers with it, sent me to desktop and here I sit with 640x480 pixels a 4mbit colours! HORRID!
I found a backup of my boot.ini and managed to patchwork me a new boot.ini my comp would accept...
Alas...there is still the problem of that corrupt **** named Trinity patch on my Computer!
How the hell do I get rid of this crap!?!?!
Is there a small patch to fix the problem or do I have to download a completely new Eve client to be able to play securely again?!?!
IF THIS WAS A SINGLEPLAYER GAME I JUST BOUGHT; I'D BRING IT BACK AND INFORM "Verbraucherschutz" WHO WOULD PROLLY SUE THE DEVELOPER OF THIS *$&%*"*&º
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:00:00 -
[1336]
Re. this post:
Quote:
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
I downloaded the file, copied it to my C:\ root directory then ran msconfig
There is no "boot.ini" tab or option to select "check all boot paths"
So now what do I do?
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:00:00 -
[1337]
Originally by: Poreuomai
If there are still doubts then I'll wait until the weekend before installing the update.
Hmm, on the other hand, if it does go wrong tonight, I can use the internet at work tomorrow to find a solution.
Ok, deep breath.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:01:00 -
[1338]
Edited by: Kennet MacDonald on 06/12/2007 20:02:59
EDITED
Originally by: Cailais
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Cailais
Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
Won't happen unless he's unfortunate enough to have a fat32 file system - MS DOS has no clue what NTFS is.
Yeah forgot about that. I'm not sure why the CD rom wouldn't work. Usually it can at least still load bootable disks.
So am I right in thinking my only option is to create a set of 3.5 disk of Win XP and running those?
C.
Nope. When you turn on your machine, there is usually a prompt like "Press [some key] to enter setup".
BE CAREFUL. I CAN'T SEE YOUR SCREEN, SO I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT I'M DESCRIBING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL SEE.
Restart and hit that key - then, WITHOUT ACCIDENTALLY CHANGING ANYTHING, you want to look for either:
AHCI (in which case you set it to "disable"
or
SATA Native Mode (in which case you ALSO set it to disable.
WRITE DOWN EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID.
Exit and reboot (usually f10)
Then you will be able to run the system restore and fixboot as described HERE: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/
Then reboot, go BACK into the bios setup, and change everything back to EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
Then it should work.
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Oremarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:01:00 -
[1339]
Edited by: Oremarr on 06/12/2007 20:03:38
Is the biggest screwup in the history of CCCP?
If it weren't for Deep-Freeze I would have 6 bricked computers right now, all of them have been restarted, all of them lost boot.ini, but to my luck the file was automatically recovered in seconds from the ghost.
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Githtakai
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:01:00 -
[1340]
So, I recreated the boot.ini file... can I run EVE safely now?
The warnings are all in the present tense, implying that if I run EVE again the problem will happen again...
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Bluebear8
Orion Ore International
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:01:00 -
[1341]
Missing your OEM Recovery Disk?
If you are lucky to have a DELL computer with warranty, you can call the manufacturer for online support. They will send you the disk if your box is still under warranty. This is why you bought that warranty!
Most likely, most of your OEM machines will have similar warranties so you can get something to reboot them in case of this type of catastropic failure.
Your computer's warranty should get you a boot disk needed to accomplish the "Microsoft recommended" restoration of your Operating System. I think there is some hope. (People who had a boot disk are back up and running Eve again, already.)
Unfortunately, the boot disk will probably take 1-3 days through snail mail to arrive at your doorstep from your computer warranty service. And, this means you will not be back online for a few days.
Presumably, a repair shop can accomplish the same result with their usual charges and possibly the same "turnaround" depending on their current backlog.
No one should download that premium package, unless they have a boot disk handy. I didn't know about this when I rebooted, so my comp is now down until the package from DELL arrives in a few days.
p.s. - If your computer is "out of warranty" and you are not a techno wizard, I suspect you might be up a creek without a paddle. CCP can't help reboot your OS. This is precisely why Eve/CCP have that long page of DISCLAIMERS you click to "ACCEPT" before downloading their new content releases.
[And, no. I'm not a programmer, nor do I have the talent or desire to modify any code that says "root", "operating system" or "ini."]
p.p.s. - My own error message mentioned a missing file "HAL.INI", which reminded me of the HAL 5000 in the movie "2001, A SPACE ODESSY". Without a warranty, I'd be floating upside down in space trying to repair technology I don't understand.]
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Furious Hawk
Caldari
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:02:00 -
[1342]
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 20:01:46
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Do you by any chance have Windows Vista? If yes boot.ini doesn't exist in Vista
Nope, I would not be in this thread if I did lol. This is just XP Home Edition SP2.
My laptop has XP Pro SP2 on it, and I have not updated EVE at all on that. I want to do a little experimenting, but I take it that the current patch file works properly since they keep talking specifically about "before 0400 GMT"? If the current patch does work fine then I can't experiment. :/
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Leigh Crusio
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:02:00 -
[1343]
Congratulations you just made the tech report lol
http://www.techreport.com/
Direct link to article http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/13748
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Crawthar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:03:00 -
[1344]
Originally by: Lazarann
Make sure you can see hidden files AND operating system files. The latter is probably why you don't see it. Pretty safe to say though, if it says it's there, it probably is.
To check, go to start -> Run and type msconfig. A new window will open, and there should be a tab called boot.ini. If there is, you're fine.[/quote
It's there. Thank you very much for your help. If only someone had told me that earlier!!! thanx anyone who offered me their help.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:03:00 -
[1345]
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
As someone said earlier, you probably need to turn AHCI off in your bios, I'm guessing (probably in Advanced Chipset Features or some such). Windows can't see your drives.
Ok well i am one of the poor sods who shut down and can reboot. I have tried to do the Microsoft fix and it wont find/read the disk or list boot files because it cannot find any. It said i must use scandisk to locate errors on the drive..i did and now it says there are are unrecoverable eerros on the drive.
Now i am completely stuck. Where can i find info on how to disable the AHCI cos this is really starting to **** me off. Its a flippin ú4000 XPS and its not evne mine ffs!
Please help meh!
So I can give you appropriate information, if you bought your system, who made it and what is the model number (i.e. HP Pavillion yadda yadda)?
Hi Kennet...it worked. I chose the 2nd drive not the first and it let me sign onto admin this time round. It found the files and i am now up and running.
Thank you for your offer of help much appreciated. If anyone else is interested ...this link worked for me. If your PC had two drives make sure you choose the right one.
Good luck.
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Nordhaus
Denali's Nomads
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:04:00 -
[1346]
I was one of the 1st people with this problem yesterday, after divinity suggested the fix from the windows website I was able to get my computer up and running.
Now a day later I try and boot my computer....no luck. I turn it on, it goes till the point windows would start to install and then stops. I reboot, and it tells gives me a few options safe mode (starts loading files, then stops), last good configuration (stops), and run normally (stops).
I have a restore disk, and the last thing I can think of is to reinstall windows. But I don't want to loose all of my data.
Any suggestions?
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:04:00 -
[1347]
Originally by: Leigh Crusio
Congratulations you just made the tech report lol
http://www.techreport.com/
Direct link to article http://www.techreport.com/discussions.x/13748
Also up on Digg
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:05:00 -
[1348]
heh, somebody must have been real stupid, i saw the deletion of the boot.ini file and it's 'replacement' with another one, but would not have thought in my wildest dreams a silly game would mess with system files in the root directory
anyway, thumbs up, guys
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:06:00 -
[1349]
Edited by: Kennet MacDonald on 06/12/2007 20:07:27
QUICK AND DIRTY FIX FOR "BOOT DEVICE NOT FOUND" OR BEING UNABLE TO SEE YOUR HARD DRIVES/CD DRIVES
This is because your disks and CD-ROM drives are connected in a way that didn't exist (in mass market machines) when Windows XP was released. Here is how to make your computer fake an older system:
When you turn on your machine, there is usually a prompt like "Press [some key] to enter setup". It will probably have gone away by the time you figure out what it is.
BE CAREFUL. I CAN'T SEE YOUR SCREEN, SO I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT I'M DESCRIBING EXACTLY WHAT YOU WILL SEE.
Restart and hit that key - then, WITHOUT ACCIDENTALLY CHANGING ANYTHING, you want to look for either (probably under "Advanced Chipset Features):
AHCI (in which case you set it to "disable"
or
SATA Native Mode (in which case you ALSO set it to disable.
WRITE DOWN EXACTLY WHAT YOU DID.
Exit and reboot (usually f10)
Then you will be able to run the system restore and fixboot as described HERE: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/
Then reboot, go BACK into the bios setup, and change everything back to EXACTLY THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE.
Then it should work.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:06:00 -
[1350]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
As someone said earlier, you probably need to turn AHCI off in your bios, I'm guessing (probably in Advanced Chipset Features or some such). Windows can't see your drives.
Ok well i am one of the poor sods who shut down and can reboot. I have tried to do the Microsoft fix and it wont find/read the disk or list boot files because it cannot find any. It said i must use scandisk to locate errors on the drive..i did and now it says there are are unrecoverable eerros on the drive.
Now i am completely stuck. Where can i find info on how to disable the AHCI cos this is really starting to **** me off. Its a flippin ú4000 XPS and its not evne mine ffs!
Please help meh!
So I can give you appropriate information, if you bought your system, who made it and what is the model number (i.e. HP Pavillion yadda yadda)?
Hi Kennet...it worked. I chose the 2nd drive not the first and it let me sign onto admin this time round. It found the files and i am now up and running.
Thank you for your offer of help much appreciated. If anyone else is interested ...this link worked for me. If your PC had two drives make sure you choose the right one.
Good luck.
Excellent!! ^.^
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:06:00 -
[1351]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Re. this post:
Quote:
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
I downloaded the file, copied it to my C:\ root directory then ran msconfig
There is no "boot.ini" tab or option to select "check all boot paths"
So now what do I do?
Also when the series of popups start, do we have to say yes, no or what to them? I'm assuming it will just be an ok but it's better to ask now than get to that stage and noit know what to do. More information for the computers dummies here would be helpful guys.
What does this bit mean too?
Quote:
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
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Venko Trenulo
Wakizashi Renaissance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:11:00 -
[1352]
For a future patch:
CCP should name their configuration setting file in the EVE directory something other than boot.ini. Like eveboot.ini, for example. If that had been the case, then botching the path would have come up with "no such file", which is a more appropriate failure mode.
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:12:00 -
[1353]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Re. this post:
Quote:
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
I downloaded the file, copied it to my C:\ root directory then ran msconfig
There is no "boot.ini" tab or option to select "check all boot paths"
So now what do I do?
Also when the series of popups start, do we have to say yes, no or what to them? I'm assuming it will just be an ok but it's better to ask now than get to that stage and noit know what to do. More information for the computers dummies here would be helpful guys.
What does this bit mean too?
Quote:
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
What popups? If it's the one asking you if you want to remove invalid paths, say yes.
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Lemurianus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:12:00 -
[1354]
Originally by: Lemurianus
Originally by: Lemurianus
Originally by: Lemurianus
Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 15:12:33
Originally by: Lemurianus
Edited by: Lemurianus on 06/12/2007 14:51:26
Well, my boot ini looks fine, the boot.ini contents are equal to those written in this thread... But I found a problem I didnt have before this patch. Yes, I updated eve client before 4am. Its just that, now, when I insert a cd on my dvd-rom drive, it plays for a few seconds and then PC crashes, doesnt reboot, just crashes. Tried to do the same procedure four time, all the same. Was playing an avi file (one of the ones downloaded from this site), opened it on Windows Media Player and also on BSPlayer. Both made the PC crash.
Any ideas on how to solve this problem?
P.S.- its not the optical drive at all. Just crashed again without any particular reason.
Is there any other way to bump this? Has anyone complained about the same issue before?
Uninstalled eve, downloaded new full build (new graphics one). So far everything seems to be ok. Lets see...
Seems that afterall the random crashes persisted... I remember there was a patch that brought these problems, months ago... Seems that some errors are being repeated by CCP... Well, lets now hope (lol) this post will be answered...
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Fatty McFatpants
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:13:00 -
[1355]
FINALLY I'M GLAD I HAVE VISTA!
It saved my computer from CCP.
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Adnvari Nehal
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:13:00 -
[1356]
Originally by: Venko Trenulo
For a future patch:
CCP should name their configuration setting file in the EVE directory something other than boot.ini. Like eveboot.ini, for example. If that had been the case, then botching the path would have come up with "no such file", which is a more appropriate failure mode.
Yea, not naming it the same as the windows system file just seems logical to me.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:13:00 -
[1357]
Edited by: Kennet MacDonald on 06/12/2007 20:14:43
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Re. this post:
Quote:
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
I downloaded the file, copied it to my C:\ root directory then ran msconfig
There is no "boot.ini" tab or option to select "check all boot paths"
So now what do I do?
Also when the series of popups start, do we have to say yes, no or what to them? I'm assuming it will just be an ok but it's better to ask now than get to that stage and noit know what to do. More information for the computers dummies here would be helpful guys.
What does this bit mean too?
Quote:
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
Not sure what popups you mean, but if you have an XP disk, you may want to:
1. Put the CD in
2. hold down the windows key (between ctrl and alt on the left side), and hit R (then let go of them :D)
3. in the little box in the lower left side of the screen, type "cmd" (without quotes) and Hit enter
4. Sacrifice a small animal
5. Click in the black box that comes up once to make sure you're typing there, and type exactly (without quotes) "sfc /scannow" and hit enter. Let it do whatever it wants.
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:13:00 -
[1358]
Quote:
;_;
WHY AM I DOING THIS???
I friggin' WORK as a system admin, and do tech support all day!!!
HELP ME, I CAN'T STOP!!!!!
Well for god's sake don't stop now, help those of us that haven't rebooted yet but aren't sure how to get our beloved boot.ini file back...please
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:14:00 -
[1359]
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 20:01:46
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Do you by any chance have Windows Vista? If yes boot.ini doesn't exist in Vista
Nope, I would not be in this thread if I did lol. This is just XP Home Edition SP2.
My laptop has XP Pro SP2 on it, and I have not updated EVE at all on that. I want to do a little experimenting, but I take it that the current patch file works properly since they keep talking specifically about "before 0400 GMT"? If the current patch does work fine then I can't experiment. :/
If you downloaded the patch after 4 GMT as CCP is saying in the first page you are pretty safe. They have corrected the typo in the patch and is working as intended now.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:16:00 -
[1360]
Once again:
IS THERE A PATCH FOR THE PATCH OR DO I HAVE TO DEINSTALL EVE AND REINSTALL A FRESH DOWNLOAD!?!?!??!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!
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Lemurianus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:17:00 -
[1361]
lol, now a good old "connection lost"... this is getting better and better...
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Krakkan
ReDevils
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:17:00 -
[1362]
please let this happen to WoW, please let this happen to WoW, please let this happen to WoW, please let this happen to WoW..
Quote:
tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY
tuxford: spelled*
Oveur: rofl
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SafTek
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:17:00 -
[1363]
Originally by: proclaimed HERETIC
Posted up on another forum.
Threw together a little script that will check for your boot.ini file, and if it's missing, it will check the only place in the windows directory we can seem to find a backup copy (about 70% so far have it). (Windows\pss dir).
Posted it up on a spare domain I had: www.gamingassist.com.
Gotten about 40 thank you emails, so its working for most ppl.
-proclaimed HERETIC
Source to script is also posted on the page, incase you have any better ideas.
Make that 41 thank yous.
\windows\pss\boot.ini.backup
My sad story to toss on the pile:
I have my desktop and a work laptop, my DT got hit by this. Dell doesn't send an XP CD anymore, and my XP and WinPE CDs don't detect SATA. I couldn't access my HD at all. I got a HD enclosure for my SATA ($50 - they didn't have just a $20 cable) and CCPs instructions starting this thread didn't work. I was looking at a fresh install and lost data.
Thanks again.
Programming error may have been easy to make, but simple testing would prevent this easily.
Lesson learned?
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:17:00 -
[1364]
Originally by: Adnvari Nehal
Originally by: Venko Trenulo
For a future patch:
CCP should name their configuration setting file in the EVE directory something other than boot.ini. Like eveboot.ini, for example. If that had been the case, then botching the path would have come up with "no such file", which is a more appropriate failure mode.
Yea, not naming it the same as the windows system file just seems logical to me.
And what is "boot" doing in there anyway??? That's just asking for trouble... @.x;
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:18:00 -
[1365]
Originally by: Vampirro
Edited by: Vampirro on 06/12/2007 14:11:39
if you are not techy but can burn a disk or use a flash or floppy, see this site.
it will create a boot disk for you and from there you can find out which disk/partition your OS is on.
http://tinyempire.com/notes/ntldrismissing.htm
what it really does is it runs through a bunch of different disks/partitions until it finds yours that has windows, from there all you need to do it copy the boot.ini from the disk to your root drive and delete all the choices that was not the first choice that got you into windows:
Quote:
[Boot Loader]
timeout=30
Default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="1ST TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\Windows="2ND TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\Windows="3RD TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\Windows="4TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\Windows="5TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\Windows="6TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\Windows="7TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\Windows="8TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
C:\="9TH TRY THIS selezioni questo nono"
D:\="10TH TRY THIS selecione este decimo"
*further tweaking would be to change the timeout to '0' and to make sure the default disk is also the same as the selection that got you into windows.
this should work on almost everyones setup.
**forgot to mention this is something you can do if you already restarted xp/2000 and cant get into xp and cant find the disks.
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Gizmo69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:19:00 -
[1366]
Quote:
nice work CCP, first class **** up..
Didn't want that boot file anyway.
lol
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Butters Scotch
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:22:00 -
[1367]
Edited by: Butters Scotch on 06/12/2007 20:22:07
AH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH....HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH. Oh roflz. I quit and no you can't have my stuffs I gave it all away already. Last Straw!! You bet. Good bye CCP, I'm sick of your crap anyway. To the rest, the solutions are easy, but hey if they gonna mess up this bad, combined with all the stupid nerfing all the time, and trying to mak all races exactly equal...forget it. Just leave. EVE has reached suckitude, and no, I am not going to play WOW, I have no interest in man on man/man on elf/man on orc/orc on man action. Just going to have to wait for a better internet spaceships violencing game.
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Harason Grant
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:22:00 -
[1368]
I can say I am very very unhappy to say the least. I go to bed last night shutting down my computer as normal. I get up today I start to boot my computer and bam so after spending the day geting this computer to function again and I am still working on this and trying to figure out how to recover some stuff lost in the repair of my windows install I think what could have happened to cause this. Then on loging into eve I find out the patch was the cause........ Very very unhappy.
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Crag Heyder
Gallente
Icosothron Industries
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:23:00 -
[1369]
Guess the guy in that picture shouldn't have dranked my beer...
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Edrentin
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:23:00 -
[1370]
I see there more warning now then this morning.
I did reboot and my window's did not come back up.
So i spent my morning reinstalling window's.
lost my work doc, vid's, music, not to happy about this.
but finnaly got it back up and running even rebooted after redling eve. So is the issue still there or no.
I am a morning player too.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:23:00 -
[1371]
Originally by: Siri Blue
I'Ve just got frakked by eve, warped into a mission, Eve froze, crashed, took my Video drivers with it, sent me to desktop and here I sit with 640x480 pixels a 4mbit colours! HORRID!
I found a backup of my boot.ini and managed to patchwork me a new boot.ini my comp would accept...
Alas...there is still the problem of that corrupt **** named Trinity patch on my Computer!
How the hell do I get rid of this crap!?!?!
Is there a small patch to fix the problem or do I have to download a completely new Eve client to be able to play securely again?!?!
IF THIS WAS A SINGLEPLAYER GAME I JUST BOUGHT; I'D BRING IT BACK AND INFORM "Verbraucherschutz" WHO WOULD PROLLY SUE THE DEVELOPER OF THIS *$&%*"*&º
This is not a problem related to boot.ini being deleted from the system.
Your system probably crashed because your settings can't be afforded by the graphics card you use.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:24:00 -
[1372]
Originally by: TheDevilsJury
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
I can confirm that this is not true. The bug affects all versions of XP.
Effects xp x64 as well.
So whos getting fired for this one then?
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Plausable Swap
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:25:00 -
[1373]
Edited by: Plausable Swap on 06/12/2007 20:26:42
My boot.ini file was deleted. I made a new one as suggested on one of their suggested websites, but I want to confirm.
I have a single harddrive that shows up as 3 harddrives, will
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
work? WINDOWS is in the first 'hard drive' (C).
Edit: I am running Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:26:00 -
[1374]
Quote:
Quote:
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[Boot Loader]
timeout=30
Default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="1ST TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\Windows="2ND TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\Windows="3RD TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\Windows="4TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\Windows="5TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\Windows="6TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\Windows="7TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\Windows="8TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
C:\="9TH TRY THIS selezioni questo nono"
D:\="10TH TRY THIS selecione este decimo"
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This is pretty similar to the file that CCP Mindstar posted a link to (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)
But in his post he said there would be a boot.ini tab in msconfig after the file is downloaded and copied across and renamed...and there isn't.
Any ideas?
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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:26:00 -
[1375]
Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 06/12/2007 20:26:22
So, I'm affected. I downloaded the extra content last night and turned of my CPU. My computer started this morning with an error message.
Now it's running but there's no boot.ini file.
What do I do now?
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Commsec
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:26:00 -
[1376]
I don't have time to read 55 odd posts. What happens after 4? If u are going to have a solution to the problem by then - then please do not remove the http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/eveclassictopremiumpatch45017.exe. It is 50% complete.. I don't want to have to download it again on my lame dialup (shaped internet) God help me. |
Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:26:00 -
[1377]
Edited by: Kennet MacDonald on 06/12/2007 20:30:32
Originally by: Butters Scotch
Edited by: Butters Scotch on 06/12/2007 20:22:07
AH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH....HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH. Oh roflz. I quit and no you can't have my stuffs I gave it all away already. Last Straw!! You bet. Good bye CCP, I'm sick of your crap anyway. To the rest, the solutions are easy, but hey if they gonna mess up this bad, combined with all the stupid nerfing all the time, and trying to mak all races exactly equal...forget it. Just leave. EVE has reached suckitude, and no, I am not going to play WOW, I have no interest in man on man/man on elf/man on orc/orc on man action. Just going to have to wait for a better internet spaceships violencing game.
WOW, you must be a barrel of laughs when you get a flat tire.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:26:00 -
[1378]
Originally by: Edrentin
I see there more warning now then this morning.
I did reboot and my window's did not come back up.
So i spent my morning reinstalling window's.
lost my work doc, vid's, music, not to happy about this.
but finnaly got it back up and running even rebooted after redling eve. So is the issue still there or no.
I am a morning player too.
there are various things you can get to recover from a format of your hardrive and restore it to the state at which it was in before you formatted it...one product that i've used is Easy Recovery Professional
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Stylom
Gallente
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:28:00 -
[1379]
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 06/12/2007 20:26:22
So, I'm affected. I downloaded the extra content last night and turned of my CPU. My computer started this morning with an error message.
Now it's running but there's no boot.ini file.
What do I do now?
Breathe deep...and start reading this thread on page 1
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:29:00 -
[1380]
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Originally by: Siri Blue
I'Ve just got frakked by eve, warped into a mission, Eve froze, crashed, took my Video drivers with it, sent me to desktop and here I sit with 640x480 pixels a 4mbit colours! HORRID!
I found a backup of my boot.ini and managed to patchwork me a new boot.ini my comp would accept...
Alas...there is still the problem of that corrupt **** named Trinity patch on my Computer!
How the hell do I get rid of this crap!?!?!
Is there a small patch to fix the problem or do I have to download a completely new Eve client to be able to play securely again?!?!
IF THIS WAS A SINGLEPLAYER GAME I JUST BOUGHT; I'D BRING IT BACK AND INFORM "Verbraucherschutz" WHO WOULD PROLLY SUE THE DEVELOPER OF THIS *$&%*"*&º
This is not a problem related to boot.ini being deleted from the system.
Your system probably crashed because your settings can't be afforded by the graphics card you use.
1) I was using classic content graphics
2) After the crash I checked for my boot.ini and it was GONE
3) Had to recreate a boot.ini and after the successful booting up get my graphics back to work...
The grpahics problem prolly was a problem on top...but I still had the boot.ini issue...
A game that kills my computer?
Back to the shop and Customer protection lobby informed! I tell you!
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:30:00 -
[1381]
Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 20:30:42
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Cailais
Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
Won't happen unless he's unfortunate enough to have a fat32 file system - MS DOS has no clue what NTFS is.
yeah I forgot. The CD-rom should still be getting power though, I don't know why a bootable disk wouldn't work.
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Furious Hawk
Caldari
I-Omniscient-I
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:30:00 -
[1382]
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 20:30:39
Originally by: Siri Blue
Once again:
IS THERE A PATCH FOR THE PATCH OR DO I HAVE TO DEINSTALL EVE AND REINSTALL A FRESH DOWNLOAD!?!?!??!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!
If you have successfully turned your computer off and on then you don't have anything to fix in the first place.
If you have not turned it off out of fear and want to check for the boot tile, then go to the root of your drive and then on the top back click tools > folder options > view > and then switch the radio button to "show hidden files and folders" and also uncheck "hide protected operating system files". After doing that, see if you can find a "boot" file in that root directory. If there is none there, then go to the windows folder in the root directory, then the pss folder in that. Copy and paste the "boot.ini.backup" file into the root directory, then rename it to "boot" (you don't need to type .ini because the file is already listed like that, and if you add it yourself it will treat it like a name of the file and then your computer won't recognize it). After doing that, go back and reset the radio button and checkbox you changed earlier.
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LordSwift
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:30:00 -
[1383]
OK i want to check if i wont have a problem. i followed the instructions given by CCP Pete. I followed the process from the microsoft website http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022/
i have rebooted my pc twice to check. All loads fine except before windows loads up i get a very quick Invalid Boot.ini file. message but my windows xp works.
I want to know if this is going to be a big problem and is it worth using the xp OS disk to repair windows?
Test a bit more please CCP next time. Otherwise awesome expansion
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Echthalian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:31:00 -
[1384]
Originally by: Tyrantus
Whoa. I'm glad I decided to delete the old client and download the full premium and start from scratch!
YUP! rule of thumb, if its a big update, delete the old start from new...follow that rule and you will always LOL, at the updaters...
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:31:00 -
[1385]
Originally by: LordSwift
OK i want to check if i wont have a problem. i followed the instructions given by CCP Pete. I followed the process from the microsoft website http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022/
i have rebooted my pc twice to check. All loads fine except before windows loads up i get a very quick Invalid Boot.ini file. message but my windows xp works.
I want to know if this is going to be a big problem and is it worth using the xp OS disk to repair windows?
Test a bit more please CCP next time. Otherwise awesome expansion
Apparently it's "good enough," but I'd run MSCONFIG and check the boot.ini tab.
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Tsar Pasha
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:31:00 -
[1386]
Okay, I cannot boot my computer up now, I get the boot.ini and the hll.dll error (or whatever it is). I do not have any Windows XP installation disks (since my computer came with the OS already installed), nor can I create any 3.5" floppy boot disks, since I don't have access to any computers that can write to 3.5" disks.
What do I do now?
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:32:00 -
[1387]
Originally by: Furious Hawk
Edited by: Furious Hawk on 06/12/2007 20:30:39
Originally by: Siri Blue
Once again:
IS THERE A PATCH FOR THE PATCH OR DO I HAVE TO DEINSTALL EVE AND REINSTALL A FRESH DOWNLOAD!?!?!??!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!!!!!!
I and many others have already answered this question.
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Ne0C0m
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:33:00 -
[1388]
Hmmm.
I download and update and play for a couple hours with no problem then I shut down and go to bed. Then I wake up and I see all this about not rebooting, all the while I have already shut my computer down. Does CCP make house calls? I expect them to come fix my computer if it doesn't work when I get home from the office.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:33:00 -
[1389]
Originally by: Kordesh
Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 20:30:42
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Cailais
Ok, my PC won't read from the CD Drive, but Ive managed to get it into MS DOS.
Is there a way to run a Boot.ini script from my 3.5 drive? If so what do I need to do? My OS is MS XP Home Edition.
Thanks.
C.
If you can get to a prompt and access the drives, navigating to the directory where the boot.ini file is, and typing "copy boot.ini c:\" without quotes should copy the boot.ini file to the correct location. simply restart after that. To get to the prompt, you're most likely going to need a boot disk on a 3.5, which you should be able to create or download just about anywhere at another computer.
Won't happen unless he's unfortunate enough to have a fat32 file system - MS DOS has no clue what NTFS is.
yeah I forgot. The CD-rom should still be getting power though, I don't know why a bootable disk wouldn't work.
See the earlier post about disabling AHCI/SATA native mode.
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:34:00 -
[1390]
Originally by: Ne0C0m
Hmmm.
I download and update and play for a couple hours with no problem then I shut down and go to bed. Then I wake up and I see all this about not rebooting, all the while I have already shut my computer down. Does CCP make house calls? I expect them to come fix my computer if it doesn't work when I get home from the office.
Good luck with that
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Scarlett Harlot
Gallente
Blue Moon Rising
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:34:00 -
[1391]
Edited by: Scarlett Harlot on 06/12/2007 20:34:45
My Two ISK..
I am truly upset that this issue was discovered after most people had already downloaded/upgraded Eve Trinity and logged for the evening. I am even more upset that this issue came to my attention early this morning while at work checking the boards. I felt so damn frustrated knowing I could not do anything about it till I arrived home. I understand mistakes BUT this one is a big one. How many tens or hundreds of thousands of customers are currently without the use of their PC at all or have been put in this situation (most whom I would say logged off) trying to rebuild a boot.ini? CCP will either do something to make this up to their customer base or loose costomers... no way around it.
I did log off and did loose my boot.ini file. By some blessing I was able to boot my system... and I spent the last hour researching and then rebuilding a "working" boot.ini. The frustration and stress many people are feeling right now needs to be addressed... not just a clinical fix. Remember - no customers - no income.
As for me, I love the game and will continue to play. For CCP, mistakes happen but get your **** together this a major league foul up. You have a loyal group of fans you need to repair your reputation with...
Regards
CJ
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:35:00 -
[1392]
Originally by: Tsar Pasha
Okay, I cannot boot my computer up now, I get the boot.ini and the hll.dll error (or whatever it is). I do not have any Windows XP installation disks (since my computer came with the OS already installed), nor can I create any 3.5" floppy boot disks, since I don't have access to any computers that can write to 3.5" disks.
What do I do now?
Well you have a few options. You can download a bootable CD from http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm on another computer, burn it, and use that to restore the file, or you can look for any other WinXP CD that a friend might have etc and use that. The bootdisk would probably be the easiest way, but you need the replacement files on something so you can add them in again as I don't believe the boot disks can repair it, they can only get you to a prompt you can use to copy the files from a disk or some such.
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Excido Charon
Gallente
House CHOAM
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:35:00 -
[1393]
Wow, my boot.ini is toast.
Shame I ended up shutting down last night before I got word of this.
And I thought I was having difficulties because I just removed Ubuntu from my second partition... >.>
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:35:00 -
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Edited by: Ailean Caldaire on 06/12/2007 20:36:15
Originally by: Gregor Eisen***n
Originally by: TheDevilsJury
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
I can confirm that this is not true. The bug affects all versions of XP.
Effects xp x64 as well.
This "bug" affected all versions of Windows XP (32, 64, etc.) but not Vista (or win2k from what I know). It affected you whether you ran as a limited account or as an admin. It didn't care about Antivirus programs, firewalls, etc. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that you're "ok" if you had an update or something like that.
The only thing SP2 did for you is still boot without the boot.ini AS LONG AS your windows install was a pure vanilla one(default directory, first drive & partition)
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ne0C0m
Hmmm.
I download and update and play for a couple hours with no problem then I shut down and go to bed. Then I wake up and I see all this about not rebooting, all the while I have already shut my computer down. Does CCP make house calls? I expect them to come fix my computer if it doesn't work when I get home from the office.
You expect funny things.
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Black Haze
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:36:00 -
[1396]
idk if its been discussed already but my boot.ini is gone.. but my windows still loads just gives me a quick invalid boot.ini message in the bios... can this cuase probs later on or what? |
Eibwen edud
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:37:00 -
[1397]
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
restoring the xp os if your boot ini has been erased should be an easy task is you have a genuine copy of win xp(i know that some of you out there do..he he) simply throw the disk in the drive and reboot. when the install screen options comes up just select repair and not install. it should reinstall your windows and keep all your progs, with files in tact. though this will admittedly restart your freakin coutdown to oblivion 30 day notice but if you activated it over the phone you shouldnt have to answer to the microsquish inquisition.
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Nordhaus
Denali's Nomads
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:38:00 -
[1398]
I have the CD that came with my system, but after following everything, and now having three different windows choices that don't work when I boot, is there any way to install windows but keep all my old data?
I know I'll have to reinstall everything, but at least I could use the computer.
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Storm Strike
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:38:00 -
[1399]
I have tried fixing it with the windows cd but i am unable to boot from it as i get a stop error, what can i do?
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:38:00 -
[1400]
Originally by: Black Haze
idk if its been discussed already but my boot.ini is gone.. but my windows still loads just gives me a quick invalid boot.ini message in the bios... can this cuase probs later on or what?
As long as you don't try to install another operating system and use XP's bootloader for it, it should all be good.
BRB, smoke break! :D
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LordSwift
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:38:00 -
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CCP should i think by right offer its players some kind of gift to say sorry. like a discounted month. or a month free. or something to keep everyone happy. this has caused people alot of stress.
I agree this is a accident and from working testing games i know this can easily happen. I love eve and i wont stop playing.
People you DONT have to reinstall the whole of windows. just do a repair.
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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:40:00 -
[1402]
Originally by: Stylom
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 06/12/2007 20:26:22
So, I'm affected. I downloaded the extra content last night and turned of my CPU. My computer started this morning with an error message.
Now it's running but there's no boot.ini file.
What do I do now?
Breathe deep...and start reading this thread on page 1
I sure hope that CCP posts an update for people like me on the FIRST page.
I don't know if I can turn off my computer again or not.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:40:00 -
[1403]
Originally by: Eibwen edud
Originally by: Abbala Brutori
...CCP. I hate you. I don't care if this is contructive or not. I have my Final paper due tomorrow. and guess what. MY computer restarted. and Now I can't get a number of very important file that I have to have in the next few days. I can only pray. that my professors have compassion on me. Because if not. YOu have just successfully caused me to Fail my English class.
Thank you so very much.
"And rather than asking for help, I am simply going to eat it so I can complain and ***** some more"
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LordSwift
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:40:00 -
[1404]
Originally by: Black Haze
idk if its been discussed already but my boot.ini is gone.. but my windows still loads just gives me a quick invalid boot.ini message in the bios... can this cuase probs later on or what?
i am getting this as well. but i went through the process on the microsoft website http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022/
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:40:00 -
[1405]
Despite the apology, I think that it is a shame that CCP has not made a post to this thread for over 15 or so pages. CCP, If you are really sincere about fixing this mess, why is there not a single person replying QUICKLY to all this anguish on this this thread? Why do you not have a free dos boot image that will repair the boot.ini already as a download on the the site? I am sorry but it does not appear to me that you are working all that hard given the severity of the problem among your user base.
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Tsar Pasha
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kordesh
Well you have a few options. You can download a bootable CD from http://www.bootdisk.com/bootdisk.htm on another computer, burn it, and use that to restore the file, or you can look for any other WinXP CD that a friend might have etc and use that. The bootdisk would probably be the easiest way, but you need the replacement files on something so you can add them in again as I don't believe the boot disks can repair it, they can only get you to a prompt you can use to copy the files from a disk or some such.
Hmm, I don't think that I know anyone who has a WinXP CD (I've asked around, and most people are in the same boat that I'm in, in that they had the OS factory installed).
What replacement files are you talking about that would need to be transferred?
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Nordhaus
Denali's Nomads
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:41:00 -
[1407]
Originally by: LordSwift
CCP should i think by right offer its players some kind of gift to say sorry. like a discounted month. or a month free. or something to keep everyone happy. this has caused people alot of stress.
I agree this is a accident and from working testing games i know this can easily happen. I love eve and i wont stop playing.
People you DONT have to reinstall the whole of windows. just do a repair.
I would agree, if the repair worked for me. But right now I am lost, and nothing is working to fix the problem.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:42:00 -
[1408]
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Stylom
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 06/12/2007 20:26:22
So, I'm affected. I downloaded the extra content last night and turned of my CPU. My computer started this morning with an error message.
Now it's running but there's no boot.ini file.
What do I do now?
Breathe deep...and start reading this thread on page 1
I sure hope that CCP posts an update for people like me on the FIRST page.
I don't know if I can turn off my computer again or not.
Do you have your boot.ini file? If yes, you're fine, done, forget about it and just go play. If you don't, replace it before you reboot, then proceed to follow the rest of step 1 ala forgetting about it and just playing the game.
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Stylom
Gallente
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:42:00 -
[1409]
TBH I am gutted that most of us British gamers missed the high drama and excitement caused by this rollercoaster of a issue
All we europeans can do is lend our moral support as our American cousins bleat, whine and generally throw toys out of prams
Keep the faith people and remember if all else fails just start a rumour that Iceland is built upon a vast lake of oil
...............you will have your revenge
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Major Hill
Caldari
The Knights Templar
Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:43:00 -
[1410]
I am very bad with computers i read the stuff that the devs posted unfortunatly although i am sure it is very clear too some dont make much sense too me.
First i am running Windows Xp media center. When i go too startup and recovery and hit Edit it gives me the following message: Cannot find the C:\boot.ini file. Do you want too create a new file?
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Siri Blue
1) I was using classic content graphics
2) After the crash I checked for my boot.ini and it was GONE
3) Had to recreate a boot.ini and after the successful booting up get my graphics back to work...
The grpahics problem prolly was a problem on top...but I still had the boot.ini issue...
A game that kills my computer?
Back to the shop and Customer protection lobby informed! I tell you!
Ok let's make it more clear.
Basically even with the classic content the way eve works has changed dramatically. No more your cpu is taking care of everything. In fact the graphics is responsibility of your GFX card (as it should be).
If you hit ESC and go to graphics tab, you will notice that there are some new options that have to do with the graphics cache size.
The way now trinity engine works is the same for both classic and premium content.
The 2 problems i say again are not related. The boot.ini erase is not going to affect your graphics performance because it has nothing to do with that.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:45:00 -
[1412]
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Despite the apology, I think that it is a shame that CCP has not made a post to this thread for over 15 or so pages. CCP, If you are really sincere about fixing this mess, why is there not a single person replying QUICKLY to all this anguish on this this thread? Why do you not have a free dos boot image that will repair the boot.ini already as a download on the the site? I am sorry but it does not appear to me that you are working all that hard given the severity of the problem among your user base.
Constructing a bootable image that fixes the problem isn't as easy as you might think. Not all inis are created equal even though most of them would be. They provided information on where to get help, how to construct a basic ini of your own, multiple ways to restore it, there isn't much more technically they can do short of breaking into your house and doing it for you.
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Zandev
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:45:00 -
[1413]
Gah, I've got a hosed Dell 9200 due to this bug. It's particularly annoying that I installed it well after they new about it (the background downloaded grabbed it for me over night). It's a shame that the start-up news didn't have a huge warning about this.
Anyway, I'm a bit stuck at the moment, as my XP recovery disks crash on boot-up.
I'll probably have to brave the NTFS support of a linux boot disk or similar.
Grr.
I may well cancel my account over this. I haven't been playing that much recently, and this may be the last straw.
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Speed Addict
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:45:00 -
[1414]
damn, im really happy i didnt stay up this night for once! to download the expansion
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Lebowske
Nosferatu Security Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:46:00 -
[1415]
I admit it, it's my fault. I suggested just doing that last nite on #eve-chaos.
I think CCP picked it up and hotfixed the patch, to prepare Windows for the new OS kernel:
Quote:
[00:19] <Battlecheese> zomg I hate teh way the paatcher slays all eve processes....
[00:19] <Pilk> I am continuing to expect clouds of sulphur to descend on the London datacenter for the next 24 hours. To do anything less would be to doom it to exactly that fate.
[00:20] *** Quits: Blackhorizon (Connection reset by peer)
[00:20] <Lebowske> next time, make a SMS deployment kit please
[00:21] <Lebowske> too many accounts to update
[00:21] *** Quits: SoulBlythe (Quit: shhhh........did you hear that?)
[00:21] <Lebowske> or even better, make a new os, replace the kernel with eve.exe
they tried and failed :(
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:46:00 -
[1416]
Originally by: Tsar Pasha
Okay, I cannot boot my computer up now, I get the boot.ini and the hll.dll error (or whatever it is). I do not have any Windows XP installation disks (since my computer came with the OS already installed), nor can I create any 3.5" floppy boot disks, since I don't have access to any computers that can write to 3.5" disks.
What do I do now?
Use a live cd from any Linux distro.
Search this topic for how to create a boot.ini file using notepad. Do it and put it in C:\ (careful make sure that is the folder that you have your Windows folder in).
Restart and pull out the live cd.
Most probably that is all you need.
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Siri Blue
Gallente
Arachnea Phoenix Battalion
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:47:00 -
[1417]
When I first downloaded and installed Trinity...
my comp worked fine...it also worked fine when I booted up today...
Only after a random graphics card crash...my boot.ini was gone as well!
I WILL NOT FRAKKING PLAY A FRAKKING GAME THAT POTENTIALLY WILL KILL MY BOOT.INI AGAIN!!!
I will definitely delete the old copy of Eve if there is no patch to fix the problem!
I will try to install a fresh copy!
Should any of this bull happen again, you better come up with a REALLY good excuse in form of something in my post box CCP, otherwise I'm gone waiting for.......whatever....
StarTrek Online or Earth'n'Beyond II
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:47:00 -
[1418]
Originally by: Major Hill
I am very bad with computers i read the stuff that the devs posted unfortunatly although i am sure it is very clear too some dont make much sense too me.
First i am running Windows Xp media center. When i go too startup and recovery and hit Edit it gives me the following message: Cannot find the C:\boot.ini file. Do you want too create a new file?
Could someone pls tell me what too do from here
If it gives you the option, I would click Yes. I believe, not positive, that it simply restores the backup of boot.ini
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Khlaatu Nikto
Karma Niyama
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:47:00 -
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This worked for me, thank you for posting it.
I have a laptop with no floppy and manufacturer installed XP (no CDs). I was not able to boot my computer until I downloaded and burned the linked file using another Internet connected computer.
Think of all the people without a 2nd computer to check the internet with who still don't even know why their computers won't boot!
I am incredibly angry, not just for the hours I spent trying to resolve this issue on my own laptop but for all the people left in the dark.
And for those who say "why install a game on you C: drive, all I have ever done w/Eve is choose the "normal install" option.
I cannot express how angry I am!
Originally by: Vampirro
Originally by: Vampirro
Edited by: Vampirro on 06/12/2007 14:11:39
if you are not techy but can burn a disk or use a flash or floppy, see this site.
it will create a boot disk for you and from there you can find out which disk/partition your OS is on.
http://tinyempire.com/notes/ntldrismissing.htm
what it really does is it runs through a bunch of different disks/partitions until it finds yours that has windows, from there all you need to do it copy the boot.ini from the disk to your root drive and delete all the choices that was not the first choice that got you into windows:
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[Boot Loader]
timeout=30
Default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows
[Operating Systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\Windows="1ST TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\Windows="2ND TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\Windows="3RD TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\Windows="4TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\Windows="5TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\Windows="6TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\Windows="7TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\Windows="8TH TRY THIS " /fastdetect
C:\="9TH TRY THIS selezioni questo nono"
D:\="10TH TRY THIS selecione este decimo"
*further tweaking would be to change the timeout to '0' and to make sure the default disk is also the same as the selection that got you into windows.
this should work on almost everyones setup.
**forgot to mention this is something you can do if you already restarted xp/2000 and cant get into xp and cant find the disks.
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Visionthing
Minmatar
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:47:00 -
[1420]
Good call CCP, accounts canceled.
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Assasinator jane
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:47:00 -
[1421]
My boot.ini is gone, ive added the command line and it seems to be nothing wrong. Should i be ok then?
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Miramie
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:47:00 -
[1422]
I lost my boot.ini file as I installed the patch yesterday and rebooted prior to seing the information posted by CCP. Fortunateley I use Acronis to regularly backup my system partion so recovery was possible quickly.
Im sure others have posted this, but those not fortunate enough to have more than one computer or be IT literate are in serious trouble because of this. It shouldnt of happened. I hope your QA department has processes in place to stop anything like this hapening again, ever.
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Phelanwolf
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:48:00 -
[1423]
Yup, got that warning today when logging in... Too bad it was after the fact that I rebooted my laptop AND FREAKED OUT because it would not boot back up.
However I was able to call a friend, have him search the forums to find the problem, dug my CD out of storage, and then found another computer with Internet access to look up the Microsoft article, and was able to fix an invalid boot file.
Now all is fine, except for that little tiny moment I THOUGHT I had lost my system and was going to have to do a re-install. Whew!
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Amanda Amenia
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:49:00 -
[1424]
Wow, I think CCP should dish out some major free play time to compensate for their obvious incompetence. Seriously. This is not cool. My computer is set on a schedule to perform automatic functions while I'm at work and there's a very good possibility I may come home to a broken computer.
CCP, I suggest handing out reparations or you'll not only lose my business and potentially thousands of others, but many of us will also be investigating legal possibilities for the liability and destruction of private personal property.
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Aseoph
Dirt Nap Squad
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:50:00 -
[1425]
I am uber ****ed. I turned off my computer for the night after enjoying the look at EvE trinity and bam! This happens. I hear from everyone $hit happens and stuff.. but damnit CCP, WTF? I've now spent over 10 hours straight trying to get this damned thing back up and working and it's not happening. I might have to format, which is going to **** me off even further b/c of all the stuff I have on my computer. I really do expect something done for us who had to do this. Making peoples computers 100% FUBAR is not an okay company practice.
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Zyrie
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:50:00 -
[1426]
i also had no boot.ini... but my system worked fine
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Vahligmarr
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:51:00 -
[1427]
hello there, what a mess, i'm glad this is not in my responsibility
All i can say is, im on a multi OS System here and after selecting "windows 2000" in my grub menu (yes, my main installation is ubuntu), i also get this short message that my boot.ini is gone but it boots shortly after that.
i think i will be thankful for this and don't try to fix something, dont wanna loose my grub -(ubuntu) -> and after that my windows. or is it without risk of loosing the grub to remake a boot.ini?
sorry CCP, patch was great so far, but this is the biggest bug i ever came across, seriously think about something to calm the people who are ****ed up now.
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Stylom
Gallente
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:52:00 -
[1428]
Edited by: Stylom on 06/12/2007 20:56:55
Originally by: Amanda Amenia
My computer is set on a schedule to perform automatic functions while I'm at work and there's a very good possibility I may come home to a broken computer.
CCP, I suggest handing out reparations or you'll not only lose my business and potentially thousands of others, but many of us will also be investigating legal possibilities for the liability and destruction of private personal property.
You don't even know if you have a problem yet !!! but even so you are getting ready to sue someone, You utter W4nker.......lol
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Yasmin Durant
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:52:00 -
[1429]
I feel so sorry for all parties here.
The non-techie users who are being thrown into a scary world of "fix your own PC"; I know how I'd feel if someone told me to change an oil filter on my car!!!
& I really feel sorry for CCP. 50 man years of work and, just because of a missing character and the failure to test for an obscure error, they are getting their greatest free update completely overshadowed; & getting threats and crap from their users.
No winners here
The only benefit is that every computer user has to learn the hard way about the value of backups (I don't know anyone who has just done it without being burnt first) and that a greater knowledge of your PC is always a good thing. Shame so many had to learn through this rather painful lesson
I appoint no blame...
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Ox Nard
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:52:00 -
[1430]
boot.ini nerf...
lawl
...this should level the field.
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Harason Grant
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:53:00 -
[1431]
hum so I started eve a bit ago now I am double checking before another reboot *with out runing any patches or what not* Guess what. Boot.ini is gone again............... I think I am now slightly more ticked than I was before which is very considering I have alot of missing files..
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:53:00 -
[1432]
Quote:
This is well put. The problem is in Iceland customer service isn't a common thing, and there really are no "Better Business Bureaus" or other consumer entity you can complain to. In the USA and in the EU there is.
CCP deleting any kind of controversial post is common, I'm not surprised they deleted your first post. Apparently the concept of Free Speech is not well understood in Iceland.
I've never seen a company like CCP that, for instance, takes your credit card and messes up the billing, and you can't call anyone to fix it. And the petition system, I've gotten numerous responses over the years that are in such broken English as to be very humorous. The misunderstandings that have occurred are almost legendary, and yet you will never read a single word about them on these forums because they are all instantly deleted.
You can call CCP's number and usually some lovely Icelandic gal answers who says she'll help, but then they never do.
And it's not just boot.ini. Something else has changed in my boot system that causes my PC to hang upon booting now, and this occurred for the first time immediately after downloading the patch and trying to reboot.
I wonder how many people who use their pc's for business or work have been effected?
I wonder how many POS's went unfueled, or how much was lost because of this incredible blunder.
OK lets take bets, how long will this post last?
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Originally by: AthlonJedi
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CCP DO NOT DELETE THIS POST JUST TO TRY AND SAVE FACE. It has been confirmed by not only myself but a host of other windows XP users that the trinity update DOES indeed delete boot.ini in windows XP EVEN Windows XP Pro X64 which is what I run. Kinda funny how yesterday there was a post about it titled "Trinity Deletes Boot.ini " and now there isnt.
The fact of the matter is this.
We are PAYING customers, As such that gives us the RIGHT to complain when something such as this arises AS WELL AS the right to inform others of such things. YOU as the Merchant we are PAYING for a service, have the RESPONSBILITY to ensure your product does not cause any harm to your customers which in this case it DOES. Not everyone who plays EVE knows how to recover from a missing boot.ini with out taking thier computer to someone that does.
While it is understandable that this expantion took 2 yrs to complete and alot of incredible work has indeed gone into it, the fact remains the desission to use BITS for updates is a BAD idea. BITS is a very shaky technology and not well suited for this type of thing. I would much rather put up with a Subversion patch system then BITS anyday which BTW is most likly the root of the boot.ini issue. That said , Please look into this Immediatly so this does not occur with the next patch as well.
/Signed
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:53:00 -
[1433]
Originally by: Amanda Amenia
CCP, I suggest handing out reparations or you'll not only lose my business and potentially thousands of others, but many of us will also be investigating legal possibilities for the liability and destruction of private personal property.
Enough of the demands with threats of frivolous legal action please. The EULA covers such risks and they responded to the situation in an appropriate and timely manner so they were not negligent. It's getting quite old.
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Kahin Wingblade
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:54:00 -
[1434]
I'm running Media Center Edition 2005 and when I tried to repair the boot.ini it didn't work. Also tried making the new one and it didn't work. Did anyone running media center edition have the same problem?
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Tsar Pasha
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:54:00 -
[1435]
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Use a live cd from any Linux distro.
Search this topic for how to create a boot.ini file using notepad. Do it and put it in C:\ (careful make sure that is the folder that you have your Windows folder in).
Restart and pull out the live cd.
Most probably that is all you need.
I tried booting from a live cd, but the computer didn't seem to do anything, it just gave errors about how the boot drive couldn't be found or something.
Although talking with a friend, he said that it might be more complicated if my File System is NTFS? I don't really know if that would be a problem ...
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:56:00 -
[1436]
Originally by: Kordesh
They provided information on where to get help, how to construct a basic ini of your own, multiple ways to restore it, there isn't much more technically they can do short of breaking into your house and doing it for you.
So you think that CCP has completely fulfilled its obligation to the user base with that post?
P.S.
That lake of oil under Iceland was a great idea! Add to it, that that is where the Icelandic Vikings are storing their WMD's....
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LordSwift
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:56:00 -
[1437]
Why are people getting so angry with this.if you have had the problem, its a very simple fix. There is no need to Reinstall windows!!! Follow the guide given by the devs and all should work fine. There is a small piece of software which should work fine. Not sure of the webpage. but my brother fixed his pc. its called BOOTINIMAKER i think
You are all stupid if you cancel your accounts because of this. Your Loss Losers!!!!
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:57:00 -
[1438]
Originally by: Tsar Pasha
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Use a live cd from any Linux distro.
Search this topic for how to create a boot.ini file using notepad. Do it and put it in C:\ (careful make sure that is the folder that you have your Windows folder in).
Restart and pull out the live cd.
Most probably that is all you need.
I tried booting from a live cd, but the computer didn't seem to do anything, it just gave errors about how the boot drive couldn't be found or something.
Although talking with a friend, he said that it might be more complicated if my File System is NTFS? I don't really know if that would be a problem ...
If its a live CD and not just a bootable CD, I don't see how that would happen. As far as I'm aware, the way LiveCDs function is that everything is loaded from the CD temporarily into RAM and read from the CD as needed. It shouldn't be dealing with the boot files for windows at all.
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jetuserII
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:57:00 -
[1439]
I do believe if you use the Windows XP install cd and boot that up and enter emergency recovery console, there's a program that you can use to recover/remake your master boot record (I was not affected by this since my booter is grub which was installed by Ubuntu). I'll look into this and see if I can find the command to rebuild your boot.ini file.
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Sorja
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.12.06 20:58:00 -
[1440]
Originally by: More Tono
I'm a 51 yr old truck driver. Wish i knew what all this geekspeak meant. Crap
Man, I sympathize :)
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Rainer Altman
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:00:00 -
[1441]
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Rainer Altman
Uh, I'm running XP and I was wondering what exactly I should do... I have as much computer knowledge as a rock and don't realy understand all this boot.ini stuff, so... What do I do?!
Any info would be helpful here.
Start by readign the first post of the thread before re asking the same question?
Umm, didn't you read? I have as much computer knowledge as a rock, the first post is gibberish to me...
I did find a "boot.ini.backup" file, is that the one I should copy?
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:01:00 -
[1442]
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh
They provided information on where to get help, how to construct a basic ini of your own, multiple ways to restore it, there isn't much more technically they can do short of breaking into your house and doing it for you.
So you think that CCP has completely fulfilled its obligation to the user base with that post?
P.S.
That lake of oil under Iceland was a great idea! Add to it, that that is where the Icelandic Vikings are storing their WMD's....
I'm saying they've helped technically all they can. They could make a million "feel good" posts that accomplish nothing but saying the same "we're sorry" over and over again, but all it would do is incite more people to complain. Other than making small talk about how its a terrible accident blah blah blah what would you have them do? I think their time is better spent at this point discussing how they plan on handling the backlash, if there should be compensation, and other pressing issues.
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Dismus
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:02:00 -
[1443]
Originally by: Kahin Wingblade
Originally by: LordSwift
Why are people getting so angry with this.if you have had the problem, its a very simple fix. There is no need to Reinstall windows!!! Follow the guide given by the devs and all should work fine. There is a small piece of software which should work fine. Not sure of the webpage. but my brother fixed his pc. its called BOOTINIMAKER i think
You are all stupid if you cancel your accounts because of this. Your Loss Losers!!!!
Was not a very simple fix on my machine. I tried alot of the ways to fix this issue and none worked. I've already taken it to a friend and he couldn't do it either. So we reinstalled/
That's got to suck for all the non-IT folk...
I think it's also going to suck for me, because my machine has the nasty habit of rebooting itself on occasion.......
Originally by: Draeca
Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic.
I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:03:00 -
[1444]
Originally by: Rainer Altman
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Rainer Altman
Uh, I'm running XP and I was wondering what exactly I should do... I have as much computer knowledge as a rock and don't realy understand all this boot.ini stuff, so... What do I do?!
Any info would be helpful here.
Start by readign the first post of the thread before re asking the same question?
Umm, didn't you read? I have as much computer knowledge as a rock, the first post is gibberish to me...
I did find a "boot.ini.backup" file, is that the one I should copy?
Yes. Paste it into C:\ and rename it to just boot.ini and you'll be fine.
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Gralatus
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:04:00 -
[1445]
Computer fried.
Made bootcd.
Computer boots.
Harddrive doesn't show up.
Can't fix boot.ini.
Any ideas?
Sata vs ide perhaps? anyway to get around this?
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:04:00 -
[1446]
Originally by: Rainer Altman
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Rainer Altman
Uh, I'm running XP and I was wondering what exactly I should do... I have as much computer knowledge as a rock and don't realy understand all this boot.ini stuff, so... What do I do?!
Any info would be helpful here.
Start by readign the first post of the thread before re asking the same question?
Umm, didn't you read? I have as much computer knowledge as a rock, the first post is gibberish to me...
I did find a "boot.ini.backup" file, is that the one I should copy?
I'll go with the easiest suggestion then.
Quote:
# If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
# If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
# Save that as C:\boot.ini
# Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
# Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
# Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
It essentially is just asking to copy and paste one of those two into a notepad file depending on what version of XP you have, save it as boot.ini, and save it to C:\. If you need to, save it to your desktop, open My Computer, and then drag and drop it into C:. If it says something about replacing a file, then you're fine anyway, so tell it No and simply delete what you just saved.
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Warstomp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:05:00 -
[1447]
Thanks a lot CCP now I know why my laptop is all messed up after the update. Jerks
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Excido Charon
Gallente
House CHOAM
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:06:00 -
[1448]
My question is this, and please take time to read this and reply:
Why the HELL were you guys modifying my BOOT.INI? What the hell does that have to do with a game?
/little ****ed
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:06:00 -
[1449]
Originally by: Gralatus
Computer fried.
Made bootcd.
Computer boots.
Harddrive doesn't show up.
Can't fix boot.ini.
Any ideas?
Sata vs ide perhaps? anyway to get around this?
Not sure what kind of bootcd you used, but if the hard drive doesn't show up, most likely it does not have the drivers on the disk to detect that drive. You could technically modify the image to add the drivers, but yeah, thats quite complicated. I would suggest a recent edition of a linux Live cd and using that to create the file, as it may be able to detect the drive.
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Butters Scotch
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:07:00 -
[1450]
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Edited by: Kennet MacDonald on 06/12/2007 20:30:32
Originally by: Butters Scotch
Edited by: Butters Scotch on 06/12/2007 20:22:07
AH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH....HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH. Oh roflz. I quit and no you can't have my stuffs I gave it all away already. Last Straw!! You bet. Good bye CCP, I'm sick of your crap anyway. To the rest, the solutions are easy, but hey if they gonna mess up this bad, combined with all the stupid nerfing all the time, and trying to mak all races exactly equal...forget it. Just leave. EVE has reached suckitude, and no, I am not going to play WOW, I have no interest in man on man/man on elf/man on orc/orc on man action. Just going to have to wait for a better internet spaceships violencing game.
WOW, you must be a barrel of laughs when you get a flat tire.
Easy there killer, just making light of my quitting. Nothing to get your knickers in a knot about. Like I said, it was an easy fix, but it just happened to be the last straw. So just chill, don't agree with me, I don't really care, just keep giving everyone else your helpful advice.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:07:00 -
[1451]
Originally by: Kordesh
I'm saying they've helped technically all they can. They could make a million "feel good" posts that accomplish nothing but saying the same "we're sorry" over and over again, but all it would do is incite more people to complain. Other than making small talk about how its a terrible accident blah blah blah what would you have them do? I think their time is better spent at this point discussing how they plan on handling the backlash, if there should be compensation, and other pressing issues.
Well, I disagree, there are plenty of special cases here, there are many people that cannot perform the "simple fix". An 800 call in number for victims where CCP staff would help them step through the fix would be an adequate response, in my opinion. There are PC's out there that may lose family photos because of this.
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Rainer Altman
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:07:00 -
[1452]
Okay, I think I've got it. I did what the Microsoft site said and saved a backup in a folder on my desktop...
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:07:00 -
[1453]
Edited by: Caiden Soul on 06/12/2007 21:09:39
Ok, I'll try again. RE. this post:
Quote:
CCP Mindstar
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:01:00 - [100] - Quote
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Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
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The cake is a lie!
I followed this and if you rename the file "boot.ini" it fails to show the boot.ini tab when you run msconfig.
I know from my modding days in Dawn of War that .ini files are often named without the the .ini on the end. So I renamed the file just "boot" and voila, the "boot.ini" tab has appeared when I run msconfig.
Good so far but now when I run the "Check all boot paths" I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?"
If I say no then it just cycles through the 14/15 times you get asked then then you exit back to where you were.
So I assume I must say Yes, but what happens then? will it offer to rebuild the boot.ini or what?
CCP MIndstar's post is innacurate and incomplete, what was the point of posting half the information. If you are going to post a solution post the complete thing from start to finish and have the correct naming conventions in there.
Can someone please update/complete his post.
Thanks
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podd0r
Fudgepackers R Us
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:08:00 -
[1454]
told you lot to upgrade to vista, but noones listens to me :(
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:08:00 -
[1455]
Originally by: Excido Charon
My question is this, and please take time to read this and reply:
Why the HELL were you guys modifying my BOOT.INI? What the hell does that have to do with a game?
/little ****ed
There is a file called boot.ini in eve apparently. The update attempts to remove it and replace it. Unfortunately, somewhere in the code, instead of boot.ini it reads /boot.ini or some such, wiping the boot.ini system file, rather than the game file.
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Gordan Freeman
Caldari
V i r u s
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:08:00 -
[1456]
This is what you get for being greedy you should all be ashamed.
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Kaylee Karenzi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:08:00 -
[1457]
ok i just installed the trinity update way after they fixed it. my boot.ini was not deleted and i went to msconfig and ran "check all boot paths" - no problems. then i was restarting my computer (i also got a new monitor) and when i restarted i got an error that says system32/hal.dll is either missing or corrupt. does this have to do with the boot.ini problems? or is this just my problem?
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Dismus
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:09:00 -
[1458]
Originally by: Excido Charon
My question is this, and please take time to read this and reply:
Why the HELL were you guys modifying my BOOT.INI? What the hell does that have to do with a game?
/little ****ed
Because there were too many people playing EVE. This is part of the Need-For-Speed initiative. Another way to reduce server calls is to reduce users.
Disclaimer: Satyre and sarcasm don't carry well over words. Be open minded and laugh.
Originally by: Draeca
Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic.
I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:09:00 -
[1459]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Stylom
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 06/12/2007 20:26:22
So, I'm affected. I downloaded the extra content last night and turned of my CPU. My computer started this morning with an error message.
Now it's running but there's no boot.ini file.
What do I do now?
Breathe deep...and start reading this thread on page 1
I sure hope that CCP posts an update for people like me on the FIRST page.
I don't know if I can turn off my computer again or not.
Do you have your boot.ini file? If yes, you're fine, done, forget about it and just go play. If you don't, replace it before you reboot, then proceed to follow the rest of step 1 ala forgetting about it and just playing the game.
No. There's no boot.ini file. The computer restarted but there's no boot.ini.
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Ztrain
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:10:00 -
[1460]
Edited by: Ztrain on 06/12/2007 21:12:23
I used to joke that CCP doesn't actually even test anything they write. Now we have un refutable proof that they don't test their product in any way. In a few hours of play after fixing this issue before getting nailed by it thanks to a helpful corp mate, I have now found over 25 bugs in just the first few hours. Most are annoying, some may be considering more serious or game breaking in the future. Either way. CCP you really need to learn how to test. It's really not that hard, well for most development houses anyways.
No I don't do bug reports. You want someone to find your bugs and point them out to you instead of using them, you pay them, not them pay you.
Z
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
That's the rough idea, yes. We still have in no way started thinking about what modules to introduce, what they would do or anything of the likes, but the idea is that.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:10:00 -
[1461]
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh
I'm saying they've helped technically all they can. They could make a million "feel good" posts that accomplish nothing but saying the same "we're sorry" over and over again, but all it would do is incite more people to complain. Other than making small talk about how its a terrible accident blah blah blah what would you have them do? I think their time is better spent at this point discussing how they plan on handling the backlash, if there should be compensation, and other pressing issues.
Well, I disagree, there are plenty of special cases here, there are many people that cannot perform the "simple fix". An 800 call in number for victims where CCP staff would help them step through the fix would be an adequate response, in my opinion. There are PC's out there that may lose family photos because of this.
Would you put up a phone number to contact them after this? Nobody would be able to get through for help anyway due to the sheet glut of people just calling to scream at them. Even still, they would be able to merely repeat what they've already posted. I doubt they have a large enough tech department to handle special situations adequately for everyone involved.
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Dismus
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:11:00 -
[1462]
Originally by: Ztrain
I used to joke that CCP doesn't actually even test anything they write. Now we have un refutable proof that they don't test their product in any way. In a few hours of play after fixing this issue before getting nailed by it thanks to a helpful corp mate, I have now found over 25 bugs in just the first few hours. Most are annoying, some may be considering more serious or game breaking in the future. Either way. CCP you really need to learn how to test. It's really not that hard, well for most development houses anyways.
Z
Then, of course, there are companies like Microsoft...
Originally by: Draeca
Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic.
I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
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Typo91
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:12:00 -
[1463]
Finnally Fixed it... I posted on the first page of this forum.
I had my system with no CD-rom drive, no Floopy, and only a Raid-0 drive for a HD.
(normally never need removeable storage)
I ended up having to stick a CD-rom on the system, and had to install a floopy drive, just so i could get XP recovery console to load my Raid controller drivers from the floopy to see windows so i could log in and run Bootcfg /rebuild
course i did waste like 5 hours trying to make a USB bootable xp recovery CD. which is way more trouble then its worth
after that i was fine... but WHAT A PAIN IN THE REAR!! just to fix a file!
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LordSwift
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:12:00 -
[1464]
Originally by: Gordan Freeman
This is what you get for being greedy you should all be ashamed.
I have not had any blue screen for years. ever since installing and running a program called Anticrash!!! maybe you should to.
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Demarcus
Killjoy.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:12:00 -
[1465]
I feel bad for CCP, this has the smell of pending lawsuits.
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You are all worthless, and weak.
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Dismus
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:13:00 -
[1466]
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
No. There's no boot.ini file. The computer restarted but there's no boot.ini.
Then you're okay, the file is still hidden and you never set your PC to be able to see hidden system files. Everything is okay, now go back to the game and no one will get hurt. ;)
Originally by: Draeca
Domi isn't ugly, it actually looks quite symphatic.
I mean, a crossbreed of a whale and a potato.. Now how cute is that?
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Shadow Premonition
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:15:00 -
[1467]
Yep, total rebuild of my machine. Should be online agin in a few weeks, sorry to all those with kill rights you may have to wait.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:17:00 -
[1468]
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Stylom
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Edited by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti on 06/12/2007 20:26:22
So, I'm affected. I downloaded the extra content last night and turned of my CPU. My computer started this morning with an error message.
Now it's running but there's no boot.ini file.
What do I do now?
Breathe deep...and start reading this thread on page 1
I sure hope that CCP posts an update for people like me on the FIRST page.
I don't know if I can turn off my computer again or not.
Do you have your boot.ini file? If yes, you're fine, done, forget about it and just go play. If you don't, replace it before you reboot, then proceed to follow the rest of step 1 ala forgetting about it and just playing the game.
No. There's no boot.ini file. The computer restarted but there's no boot.ini.
If you rebooted your computer already, you should be fine. If you're not seeing it you most likely don't have the folder set to display hidden system files. You will only see the boot.ini file if that is enabled.
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Colette Reynard
Gallente
Black Lotus Foundation
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:18:00 -
[1469]
Edited by: Colette Reynard on 06/12/2007 21:18:56
Originally by: Tiberius Xavier
[LIST]
Start notepad (from accessories)
Open the file C:\boot.ini
If this file is not empty, then STOP!
[*]If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
Thank you very much Tiberius Xavier. I'll never feel the same about slandering MC again after this ;)
OK, for the record, I have Win XP Pro SP2. My boot.ini was missing, but my system was rebooting just fine. I used the post quoted above to create and check a boot.ini file, even though my system seemed to be working fine.
I have just rebooted, and everything is still working fine.
CCP, you guys really majorly screwed the pooch on this. I don't know how you managed it, but my opinion of your overall degree of caring and competence, your "standing" with me, if you will, has just taken a major hit.
Obviously, with 300K paid accounts, you don't need to give a rat's ass for any one person's opinion, but somehow I doubt my reaction is exactly unique.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:18:00 -
[1470]
This is CCP's way of fighting global warming and conserving energy by disabling people's computers!
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:19:00 -
[1471]
Originally by: Demarcus
I feel bad for CCP, this has the smell of pending lawsuits.
Impending frivolous lawsuits. This isn't the first time by far that something like this has happened in the gaming industry. They acted promptly and such situations are covered in the EULA that everyone has agreed to. If people are thinking about causing completely unnecessary trouble, they might as well save themselves the time, they don't have a legal leg to stand on.
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Kennet MacDonald
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:19:00 -
[1472]
Originally by: Butters Scotch
Originally by: Kennet MacDonald
Edited by: Kennet MacDonald on 06/12/2007 20:30:32
Originally by: Butters Scotch
Edited by: Butters Scotch on 06/12/2007 20:22:07
AH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH....HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH. Oh roflz. I quit and no you can't have my stuffs I gave it all away already. Last Straw!! You bet. Good bye CCP, I'm sick of your crap anyway. To the rest, the solutions are easy, but hey if they gonna mess up this bad, combined with all the stupid nerfing all the time, and trying to mak all races exactly equal...forget it. Just leave. EVE has reached suckitude, and no, I am not going to play WOW, I have no interest in man on man/man on elf/man on orc/orc on man action. Just going to have to wait for a better internet spaceships violencing game.
WOW, you must be a barrel of laughs when you get a flat tire.
Easy there killer, just making light of my quitting. Nothing to get your knickers in a knot about. Like I said, it was an easy fix, but it just happened to be the last straw. So just chill, don't agree with me, I don't really care, just keep giving everyone else your helpful advice.
Heh, I quit AO after the 12.3 patch *shudder* so I can empathize. Just found the RAWRish tone amusing.
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:20:00 -
[1473]
Originally by: LordSwift
Why are people getting so angry with this.if you have had the problem, its a very simple fix. There is no need to Reinstall windows!!! Follow the guide given by the devs and all should work fine. There is a small piece of software which should work fine. Not sure of the webpage. but my brother fixed his pc. its called BOOTINIMAKER i think
You are all stupid if you cancel your accounts because of this. Your Loss Losers!!!!
It's quite understandable that people are upset and it's not always a "easy fix"...it depends on quite a few things. If they have 1 or 2 physical disks, if they have partitions or not, if they have a "hidden" boot partition like some HP's and DELL, if they have own knowledge or atleast a friend, if they have 1 more availible PC's since they are not able to read this information if they rebooted.
Probably missed a couple of reasons but I think you get the point.
Lets try to help as much people we can instead to solve this problem.
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mishkof
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:21:00 -
[1474]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Demarcus
I feel bad for CCP, this has the smell of pending lawsuits.
Impending frivolous lawsuits. This isn't the first time by far that something like this has happened in the gaming industry. They acted promptly and such situations are covered in the EULA that everyone has agreed to. If people are thinking about causing completely unnecessary trouble, they might as well save themselves the time, they don't have a legal leg to stand on.
Examples? Please post them or STFU.
I would like to compare the customer service from previous incidences such as these.
I own a T2 BPO and have a Capital alt. Please hate/troll/smack me.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:21:00 -
[1475]
Originally by: Jollygood69
Lets try to help as much people we can instead to solve this problem.
We're trying, though most of the help is getting washed away by "LOL LAWSUIT" and "BAWW GIMMIE FREE STUFF OR I QUIT"
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Mari Onette
Amarr
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:22:00 -
[1476]
I never thought I'd see the day I'd say this but CCP, you owe people compensation for this.
Protip for devs reading this: If you didn't name your config files after critical system files, then you could never cripple thousands of computers by an errant backslash in your install file.
This problem was completely avoidable at any number of points. CCP made a bad design choice by using a file called boot.ini. They did bad QA by not catching the issue which can be SEEN from the installer, and they failed to listen to their customers, who reported the problem on the forums DAYS before the patch went live.
This is not the perfect storm, where several uncontrolled variables combined too sink a ship. This is the Exxon Valdez, where a drunken pilot rammed his ship aground due to his own stupidity and inattentiveness.
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Noland Devon
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:24:00 -
[1477]
Ok, I used the second method of checking for the boot.ini file, which is the go to Control Panel, System, Advanced Settings, and then the Start Up and Recovery. The message I get back is "The C:\boot.ini can not be opened. Operating System and Time Out Settings can not be changed."
Any idea where I should go from here?
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Sorvan Altheron
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:24:00 -
[1478]
Thankfully my computer must have booted on a backup copy why that didnt happen for others i dont know. To Solve the missing boot file problem i simply did a system restore to the day before the update, problem solved. Its the simple solution for the non tech folk out there.
It is a bit of a screw up on CCP's part but some people are clearly wanting to milk the situation for all its worth. I thought at the time that it was too good to be true that the game was back up at midnight. Seems like this was a simple typo error that has been overlooked it tends to be the number one problem in programming issues at testing, No doubt it was overlooked because it didnt crash or cause an anomly to the game.
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Spacepox
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:24:00 -
[1479]
Was anyone else running eve on a mac bootcamp partition?
I cant boot back into windows, recreating an INI file doesnt work from my experiments and my bootcamp manager has expired.
If anyone has successfully got it back up and running would like to hear from them.
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psikohunter
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:24:00 -
[1480]
Windows XP x64, boot drive is sata, eve installed on system drive.
Upgraded from classic and am not affected by the deleted boot.ini issue.
Now i just wish there was a 64 bit version of eve.
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Drek Grapper
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:24:00 -
[1481]
Question....is it now possible to 'upgrade' from classic to premium now? Or is it best to install the premium from scratch?
Thanks in advance.
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Noland Devon
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:28:00 -
[1482]
Ok, I used the second method of checking for the boot.ini file, which is the go to Control Panel, System, Advanced Settings, and then the Start Up and Recovery. The message I get back is "The C:\boot.ini can not be opened. Operating System and Time Out Settings can not be changed."
Any idea where I should go from here?
Am I ok?
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Caldrion Dosto
Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:28:00 -
[1483]
I installed the patch just before Dt today, not premium version (24 mb in total, since i have an older computer)
Now when i restarted my computer i can¦t log into windows since there seems to be systemfiles missing, Strange....
So CCP how did this happen to me?
Yes i blame you since i have not intalled anything else today, and something made some important files go boom, and system reset doesn¦t help.
IM now typing this from my laptop since i can¦t use my stationary computer at this time.
Another question is: Will it help if i use a windows cd and try repair it? (for the record i don¦t have one laying around atm)
Thank you for a ruined evening...
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Sgt Zim
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:29:00 -
[1484]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Question....is it now possible to 'upgrade' from classic to premium now? Or is it best to install the premium from scratch?
Thanks in advance.
Choose your path wisely young Padawan - dangers exists on both sides of the Patch
Cammon.. just uninstall eve and bung a fresh install in from scracth (its looks loads better BTW)
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Carcusian
Global Criminal Countdown
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:29:00 -
[1485]
Like alot of eve players I know, I am a huge computer enthusiast. I know my way around a windows PC better than most people know their own glorious, naked body. That said, this error put the smack down on me big time, for a number of reasons. First the computer I happened to be using at the time was my folks compy that they use for work as well as pleasure. Second, the only OS backup/CD available to it was the type thats placed stricly as a clean slate reinstall on a hidden partition. Third, there was no other computer immediately available to assist in the process of reecovery. Lastly, I was leaving on a plane in seven hours for New York, so I had so pull an all-nighter fixing CCP's utter wreckage to get the computer running for the folks.
This is s massive black eye on you, CCP. I love your efforts and your work, but maybe this is an area you need betetr help with, in terms of released pacthes and install packages. This whole thing is bringing back memories of the RMR patch that crapped out my uber AGP video card, only to hear most people saying "no way" could a patch do such a thing. Go figure, I knew my suspicious weren't wildly off-base.
Anyways thats my whine and FFS I'm entitled to it.
People who aer looking for a way to access NTFS files from a C: prompt, please look into (google) NTFS4DOS, its one way to bypass the lock that file system puts down on files without proper windows login credentials. However, be aware that alot of the suggestion people are giving about writing or editting or otehrwise manipulating thosefiles may not be available to you as a range of commands will be absent, or require a different operating environment. Its likely Linux in some form could help you mount the drives/files, but its not certain it will help anyways. If you're like me and have a very specific boot.ini file, guessing at a working one will be problematic.
But with a little research on the NTSF4DOS abilities and using copy commands, you ought to be able to make emergency backups of your important files to oterh media. And then, yah, perform a complete OS reinstall, normally with the cntrl-f11 keys at boot in the case of Dell computers.
That was the only way I could do it, givin what i had at hand and the amount of time there was to do the work.
GL fellow players. Black eye on you CCP, I'm sorry the uberness of Trinity ended up being overshadowed by this disgusting mess.
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Samantha Rhoads
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:29:00 -
[1486]
Originally by: Helldrek Demonstar
I'm running xp media edtion and seem to be unaffected as well. Any techies got reasons for this?
Because if your windows partition is in a typical configuration (first partition, first hard disk) you don't need a boot.ini to load windows? I've certainly never had one on my installation (no boot.ini tab in msconfig either).
This thread is a serious tl;dr so it's bound to be posted somewhere, but:
Originally by: Wikipedia page for boot.ini
NTLDR requires, at the minimum, the following two files to be on the system volume: NTLDR, which contains the main boot loader itself, and boot.ini, which contains configuration options for a boot menu. To load an NT-based OS, ntdetect.com must also be present. (Strictly speaking, only NTLDR is actually required. If boot.ini is missing, NTLDR will default to C:\Windows on the first partition of the first hard drive. Many desktops in the home are in this configuration and a missing boot.ini file will simply generate an error stating it is missing, then boot into Windows successfully.)
There's probably rather a lot of people that are getting unecessarily panicked by not having a boot.ini file...
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Khlaatu Nikto
Karma Niyama
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:30:00 -
[1487]
Originally by: Kahin Wingblade
I'm running Media Center Edition 2005 and when I tried to repair the boot.ini it didn't work. Also tried making the new one and it didn't work. Did anyone running media center edition have the same problem?
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Jaquline DeFern
Caldari
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:30:00 -
[1488]
Ok my boot.ini is safely stashed on my USB stick and the full premium is downloaded an hour ago. Not the upgrade patch but the whole 1.2 gig lock stock and barrel.
I have winXP SP2 and from what I gather i this, rather long, thread it should be completely safe to uninstall my current Eve installation and install this new one.
But still, dare I risk it...., or should I just wait a couple of days. I actually could get some sleep in the process.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:30:00 -
[1489]
Originally by: mishkof
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Demarcus
I feel bad for CCP, this has the smell of pending lawsuits.
Impending frivolous lawsuits. This isn't the first time by far that something like this has happened in the gaming industry. They acted promptly and such situations are covered in the EULA that everyone has agreed to. If people are thinking about causing completely unnecessary trouble, they might as well save themselves the time, they don't have a legal leg to stand on.
Examples? Please post them or STFU.
I would like to compare the customer service from previous incidences such as these.
Pool of Radiance. The initially pressed disks would cause the game to uninstall system files when the game was uninstalled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_radiance#Pool_of_Radiance:_Ruins_of_Myth_Drannor
Final Fantasy XI also had a patch that caused systems to go down I believe
Either DAoC or EQ, I forget which. A virus had infected the patch server, and a trojan was being doled out with the patch for a good. Fortunately it was caught quickly and few were infected.
So kindly, please, STFU yourself.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:32:00 -
[1490]
Originally by: Drek Grapper
Question....is it now possible to 'upgrade' from classic to premium now? Or is it best to install the premium from scratch?
Thanks in advance.
The patch was disabled when it was discovered and they have since fixed it. You should be free to update any way you wish.
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Khlaatu Nikto
Karma Niyama
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:32:00 -
[1491]
Originally by: Kahin Wingblade
I'm running Media Center Edition 2005 and when I tried to repair the boot.ini it didn't work. Also tried making the new one and it didn't work. Did anyone running media center edition have the same problem?
Yes, Kahin, I got my XP media edition working. I downloaded this file and burned it onto a CD and it worked. When the comp recognizes the CD it gives simple options like, "try this first; try this second." Mine worked on "try this third." No techie knowledge needed beyond burning the CD.
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Phrast
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:33:00 -
[1492]
I followed the guide and replaced my boot.ini but when I go to mscofig and click "check all bootpaths" I get:
It appears that the folling line in the BOOT.INI file does not refer to a valid operating system:
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect "
Would you like to Remove it from teh BOOT.INI file?
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SO can anyone help me out?
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Khlaatu Nikto
Karma Niyama
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:33:00 -
[1493]
Originally by: Kahin Wingblade
I'm running Media Center Edition 2005 and when I tried to repair the boot.ini it didn't work. Also tried making the new one and it didn't work. Did anyone running media center edition have the same problem?
Yes, Kahin, I got my XP media edition working. I downloaded this file and burned it onto a CD and it worked. When the comp recognizes the CD it gives simple options like, "try this first; try this second." Mine worked on "try this third." No techie knowledge needed beyond burning the CD.
http://tinyempire.com/notes/files/fixntldriso.zip
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Viper G
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:33:00 -
[1494]
suing ccp will be a waste of time. You will just loose more money trying to bring them to court on this. And if you think I'm full of **** go ahead and sue them and then let me know if you win or loose and how much it cost you.
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Noland Devon
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:34:00 -
[1495]
Ok, I used the second method of checking for the boot.ini file, which is the go to Control Panel, System, Advanced Settings, and then the Start Up and Recovery. The message I get back is "The C:\boot.ini can not be opened. Operating System and Time Out Settings can not be changed."
Any idea where I should go from here?
Some help would be appreciated.
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Savion Jain
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:34:00 -
[1496]
As an FYI, and unfortunately I'm not in front of it so I can't verify, but my brother's PC is working fine (ATM anyway) after the upgrade. He did boot up this morning and said he was fine. He is running XP SP2 so...take it with a grain if salt.
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Diss Champ
Amarr
VentureCorp
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:34:00 -
[1497]
Reasons this sucks particular for many american users:
Dell does not provide OS disks with their machines. You can order them from Dell, but being without a machine however many days it takes Dell to send them out can be a PITA. Usually with an expansion, only the game is unplayable for a while. Now EVERYTHING is unplayable until I can scrounge an install disk off someone or Dell gets around to sending me one. Luckily, I've located one I can borrow this evening, and will have "only" lost 24hours use of my computer. Thank God I didn't have anything more important I wanted to do with it than play games, this is end of semester for the school people out there.
Dell sells a lot of machines. Those users who don't have a web browser at work to check the forums don't even know what the fix is- and since Dell, like CCP, tends to do their communicating online, they will get to talk to some support guy in India to try to figure out how to get their machine working again, or shell out to Best Buy's IdiotSquad, which will probably reformat and reinstall.
You think you've gotten angry comments so far- wait a few days until the people WITHOUT the technical knowledge of some who have posted so far and had to pay RL cash to someone to get their box back up start getting online again.
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Viper G
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:35:00 -
[1498]
Edited by: Viper G on 06/12/2007 21:37:17
Originally by: Phrast
I followed the guide and replaced my boot.ini but when I go to mscofig and click "check all bootpaths" I get:
It appears that the folling line in the BOOT.INI file does not refer to a valid operating system:
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect "
Would you like to Remove it from teh BOOT.INI file?
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SO can anyone help me out?
try this instead and keep clicking check booth path until you have one that works:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
If this doesn't work your best chance is a system restore, or you can try doing a search for boot.ini and see if you have a backup.
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Kahin Wingblade
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:35:00 -
[1499]
Originally by: Khlaatu Nikto
Originally by: Kahin Wingblade
I'm running Media Center Edition 2005 and when I tried to repair the boot.ini it didn't work. Also tried making the new one and it didn't work. Did anyone running media center edition have the same problem?
Yes, Kahin, I got my XP media edition working. I downloaded this file and burned it onto a CD and it worked. When the comp recognizes the CD it gives simple options like, "try this first; try this second." Mine worked on "try this third." No techie knowledge needed beyond burning the CD.
http://tinyempire.com/notes/files/fixntldriso.zip
hmmm.... well im glad you got yours working... that would have been nice to find before doing all this other junk.
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caelestialis
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:36:00 -
[1500]
Originally by: Spacepox
Was anyone else running eve on a mac bootcamp partition?
I cant boot back into windows, recreating an INI file doesnt work from my experiments and my bootcamp manager has expired.
If anyone has successfully got it back up and running would like to hear from them.
I booted from original XP (SP1) install disc. When disk is in bay, and Mac booted alt-pressed, booting from xp-cd is as third option. I first tried to boot from self made XP+SP2 install disk, but it didn't have recovery option.
After that I followed instructions for those who are rebooted, and they worked. Attrib and del commands were not necessary for my case however.
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REALITY X
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:36:00 -
[1501]
Okay, this is what I did:
I went to Control Panel, System, Advanced, Startup and Recovery Settings, System Startup and clicked on Edit and Notepad opened up with this info inside:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
Does this mean my computer will be okay to reboot? I'm semi-computer illiterate, but I'm trying. Thanks.
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:36:00 -
[1502]
I run EVE on a Bootcamped MacBook Pro. I installed, and restarted my computer, and windows will not start due to the lack of this boot.ini. It says <windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing or corrupt.
How do i fix this for my computer? How do i get onto windows to make the boot.ini fixes?
What do I do....?
D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:37:00 -
[1503]
Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 21:37:23
Originally by: Phrast
I followed the guide and replaced my boot.ini but when I go to mscofig and click "check all bootpaths" I get:
It appears that the folling line in the BOOT.INI file does not refer to a valid operating system:
"multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect "
Would you like to Remove it from teh BOOT.INI file?
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SO can anyone help me out?
What version of XP do you have?
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Ztrain
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:38:00 -
[1504]
Actually no. EULA's can very easily be legally pierced. Especially if actually damages are provable. Such as someone ata a company upgraded at work. Whether a person clicked on the EULA and loosely gave away their right to sue they can not remove OTHERS such as that companies right to sue. Two examples.
If a person downloads a virus, later it is discovered whom the author of that virus is the company can go after the author of that software for damages even if part of the virus pops up a dialogged box looking like a website and without looking that person clicks they agree to wipe out the comps HD.
Also legal precedent has been established especially in the medical field where if you sign away your right to sue for a procedure you can not legally sign away a 3rd party's right to sue on your behalf such as family members etc.
Will anyone ever sue CCP? Doubt it. Can they legally sue CCP in the US? Hell yes they have a Georgia based office. Would anyone actually be able to collect? Who knows or has the fogiest of ideas. Anything is possible when it comes down to law cases.
Bottom line is some people got screwed over by CCP staff's utter incompetence. You can ether justifiably quit the game or keep funding them. Hell I've canceled accounts several times and they've come to their senses from others comments and not changed that aspect of the game. But I'm sure people will find other games when a game screws up your computer by acts of incompetent negligence.
Z
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
That's the rough idea, yes. We still have in no way started thinking about what modules to introduce, what they would do or anything of the likes, but the idea is that.
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Rupicolous
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:41:00 -
[1505]
Well .......... I'm posting again from an old backup rig cause my OS will not boot due to a " missing and/or corrupt " hal.dll file. I have read each and every post in this forum and still remain convinced that the only correct restoration process involves a hard drive retrieval and a new OS installation. If anyone can disagree and/or present another option it would be appreciated !!!
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Spacepox
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:41:00 -
[1506]
I couldnt reboot after the patch
Riddle me this, I cant start windows it tells me <windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing
I am on a bootcamp partition on a mac. Im not sure how I can fix this.
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Dimitrios Ypsilanti
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:43:00 -
[1507]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
Originally by: Stylom
Originally by: Dimitrios Ypsilanti
So, I'm affected. What do I do now?
Comment
Comment
Comment.
There's no boot.ini file. The computer restarted but there's no boot.ini.
If you rebooted your computer already, you should be fine. If you're not seeing it you most likely don't have the folder set to display hidden system files. You will only see the boot.ini file if that is enabled.
Good idea but no. The boot.ini is definitly missing. The whole Startup / Control pannel / System / Advanced / Startup and Recovery / Settings informs me that the boot.ini file can't be opened.
Yet the computer started after turning it off last night.
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Dannerkongen
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:43:00 -
[1508]
I did this :
load windows cd. choose repair "R"
Then write this down on a piece of paper and type it in the console : bootcfg /rebuild
It will take a while!
then it comes with some questions! type this :
?#1 - 1
?#2 - "anything"
?#3 - /fastdetect
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:44:00 -
[1509]
Originally by: Ztrain
Actually no. EULA's can very easily be legally pierced. Especially if actually damages are provable. Such as someone ata a company upgraded at work. Whether a person clicked on the EULA and loosely gave away their right to sue they can not remove OTHERS such as that companies right to sue.
CCP would still not be liable. The employee would need to answer to the company for installing the program on the system.
Quote:
If a person downloads a virus, later it is discovered whom the author of that virus is the company can go after the author of that software for damages even if part of the virus pops up a dialogged box looking like a website and without looking that person clicks they agree to wipe out the comps HD.
A virus is designed to intentionally harm a computer. It is not protected and is in fact restricted against specifically by law. This is not a good example.
Quote:
Also legal precedent has been established especially in the medical field where if you sign away your right to sue for a procedure you can not legally sign away a 3rd party's right to sue on your behalf such as family members etc.
Unless the person playing had someone other than themselves accept the EULA, this doesn't matter. I'm not positive how 3rd parties on an account would work, but generally they are disallowed by the EULA in MMOs, and the first party would be considered in breech anyway.
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John Girdler
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:46:00 -
[1510]
Just adding my two cents.
Installed patch, played game, had some graphics issues so I downloaded and installed a new driver for my graphics card. Last step of driver installation is of course to reboot...
WTF!!
CCP how could you?
I am reinstalling Win XP as I type, VERY disappointed with CCP's QA.
If a person in the company I work for caused this much damage the loss of their job would be assured and their supervisor would get the axe as well.
I believe some sort of reparations are in order.
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Glassback
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:46:00 -
[1511]
So, this is what I'm confronted with on the first page of Eve-O...
6.12.2007
ALERT: READ THIS IF YOU INSTALLED TRINITY BEFORE 04:00 GMT ON DECEMBER 6
Those that meet ALL of the following criteria need to read the Update Fix Instructions and should NOT reboot their PC:
1. You started downloading the upgrade from Trinity Classic Graphics Content to Premium Graphics Content BEFORE 04:00 GMT on Dec 6
2. You must be using a version of Windows other than Vista.
3. You must have Windows installed not on the primary partition.
4. You must have at least 2 hard disks and the OS must be installed not on the primary, but the secondary hard disk
If all these apply, you MAY be affected by a known problem with the Graphics Update system.
Now, it's the fact that some of us have no idea what a partition is, let alone a primary one thats ****ing me off. Not all of us are ******* uber PC engineers, software engineers, network managers or some other IT related profession. It's the assumption that we know what to do thats fucled me off. What int he hell is a boot.ini anyway and why should I have to know anything about it?
Im lucky cause for some reason not known to me, my PC worked well enough to to be fixed by someone in my corp who know what to do. But if it didnt, I would have been ******.
Cheers guys.
G.
BH Kharnubis > Need more people against the MC meanies
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:46:00 -
[1512]
Originally by: Rupicolous
Well .......... I'm posting again from an old backup rig cause my OS will not boot due to a " missing and/or corrupt " hal.dll file. I have read each and every post in this forum and still remain convinced that the only correct restoration process involves a hard drive retrieval and a new OS installation. If anyone can disagree and/or present another option it would be appreciated !!!
Another option is to simply do a repair install of XP which only reinstalls system files and as a general rule does not wipe the rest of the drive leaving your information intact. I would try replacing the hal.dll file first however.
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Kelenthin
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:47:00 -
[1513]
Originally by: Spork Witch
I don't know what caused the issue in the first place, and to be honest, I can't think of what they could have done to cause it (but it wouldn't be the first time something completely random has happened, Windows does weird stuff sometimes.) The bigger issue is this: regardless of what CCP did, IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH THE FILE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If Windows came even close to being a decent OS, it wouldn't allow arbitrary modification of system critical files without confirmation. Granted the average ****** (i.e. 99% of the people that have access to computers) would just click accept anyway, but it should have at least come up saying something was trying to mess with it. Windows is the only OS I know of to ever allow ANYTHING to touch system files without permission.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but the blame isn't all on CCP either, since if MS did their job right for once it wouldn't have been possible in the first place.
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself. Again, Thank You!
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darthkalo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:47:00 -
[1514]
Originally by: Miramie
I hope your QA department has processes in place to stop anything like this hapening again, ever.
Like not having game files with names duplicating crucial system files names for example.
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:50:00 -
[1515]
Originally by: Glassback
3. You must have Windows installed not on the primary partition.
4. You must have at least 2 hard disks and the OS must be installed not on the primary, but the secondary hard disk
Those two do not make sense in context. That would only apply if the following read
If all these apply, you MAY NOT be affected by a known problem with the Graphics Update system.
but then the first 2 conditions would not apply? Did you copy that directly or type it?
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Korran Minare
Gallente
Spaced Cowboys
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:50:00 -
[1516]
Originally by: darthkalo
Originally by: Miramie
I hope your QA department has processes in place to stop anything like this hapening again, ever.
Like not having game files with names duplicating crucial system files names for example.
AMEN, i thought this was hammered into programming students from day one, i guess not
Originally by: Korran Minare
what would you put on space pizza anyway????
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:51:00 -
[1517]
Originally by: Kelenthin
Originally by: Spork Witch
I don't know what caused the issue in the first place, and to be honest, I can't think of what they could have done to cause it (but it wouldn't be the first time something completely random has happened, Windows does weird stuff sometimes.) The bigger issue is this: regardless of what CCP did, IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH THE FILE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If Windows came even close to being a decent OS, it wouldn't allow arbitrary modification of system critical files without confirmation. Granted the average ****** (i.e. 99% of the people that have access to computers) would just click accept anyway, but it should have at least come up saying something was trying to mess with it. Windows is the only OS I know of to ever allow ANYTHING to touch system files without permission.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but the blame isn't all on CCP either, since if MS did their job right for once it wouldn't have been possible in the first place.
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself. Again, Thank You!
I do agree. Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
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Hironashi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:51:00 -
[1518]
Trinity has destroyed my computer, BIOS cannot find the drive, nothing works that has been posted. I have lost all my contact information, I have been destroyed!
Thank You CCP
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Parthenemus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:52:00 -
[1519]
Originally by: CCP Mindstar
Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
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i followed instructions, but i still do not have the boot.ini tab in msconfig?
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Kastar
Memphis Technologies
Intergalactic Brotherhood
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:56:00 -
[1520]
honestly this issue has been a step too far.
I was lucky that my system took a backup file to boot with instead. Many people aren't as fortunate.
I hope heads will roll for this. What do people say again about certain other MMO producing companies ? ... right
One bridge too far ...
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Be'rar
White Shadow Imperium
Burning Horizons
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1521]
The boot.ini file would be loacted somewhere like "c:\boot.ini" right?
If that is the case, I havent had one for a long time . I deleted it a while ago when I was cleaning out some files that were accidently put into the root. It has booted fine for me.
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Jeka Mulani
Caldari
Freelance Assassins
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1522]
Please let us know when the following has been done:
a. The genius who decided to name a game file after a critical system file has been fired.
b. The QA head has been fired for letting this pass.
c. You decide how you are going to provide reparations for the time it will take me and others to rebuild our files.
Sorry folks, but this is a real company and people get fired for doing stupid things like this.
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Yohanes Flame
Point-Zero
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1523]
CCP>People that do not know what a boot disk is.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1524]
Originally by: Kordesh
Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
WRONG! Mr. Kordesh, Please stop giving computer and legal advice.
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mishkof
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1525]
Originally by: Kordesh
Pool of Radiance. The initially pressed disks would cause the game to uninstall system files when the game was uninstalled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_radiance#Pool_of_Radiance:_Ruins_of_Myth_Drannor
Final Fantasy XI also had a patch that caused systems to go down I believe
Either DAoC or EQ, I forget which. A virus had infected the patch server, and a trojan was being doled out with the patch for a good. Fortunately it was caught quickly and few were infected.
So kindly, please, STFU yourself.
You are a master debater.
None of your examples have any proof of any error generating patches like this one. A wiki article? I read the 4 major bugs that were all solviable by uninstalling the game.
Your last 2 are comical, especially in the third one. You cannot even pinpoint the problem to an actual GAME.
I own a T2 BPO and have a Capital alt. Please hate/troll/smack me.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:58:00 -
[1526]
Originally by: Hironashi
Trinity has destroyed my computer, BIOS cannot find the drive, nothing works that has been posted. I have lost all my contact information, I have been destroyed!
Thank You CCP
For a laugh, take a look at this guy's 'last posts'.
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Captain Sidius
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Posted - 2007.12.06 21:59:00 -
[1527]
Quote:
You can also check for the presence of this file by clicking Start : Control Panel : System : Advanced : Startup and Recovery : Settings (third button down). Windows will alert you if the boot.ini file is missing.
Can someone tell me what that exact error message is. When went through those steps the alert replied: "The C:\Boot.ini file can not be opened. The Operating System and Timeout settings can not be changed."
Does this mean I still have the boot.ini file or not? Did I miss a step?
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:00:00 -
[1528]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Edited by: Caiden Soul on 06/12/2007 21:09:39
Ok, I'll try again. RE. this post:
Quote:
CCP Mindstar
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:01:00 - [100] - Quote
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Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
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The cake is a lie!
I followed this and if you rename the file "boot.ini" it fails to show the boot.ini tab when you run msconfig.
I know from my modding days in Dawn of War that .ini files are often named without the the .ini on the end. So I renamed the file just "boot" and voila, the "boot.ini" tab has appeared when I run msconfig.
Good so far but now when I run the "Check all boot paths" I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?"
If I say no then it just cycles through the 14/15 times you get asked then then you exit back to where you were.
So I assume I must say Yes, but what happens then? will it offer to rebuild the boot.ini or what?
CCP MIndstar's post is innacurate and incomplete, what was the point of posting half the information. If you are going to post a solution post the complete thing from start to finish and have the correct naming conventions in there.
Can someone please update/complete his post.
Thanks
Ok, I've done it again and when I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?" I say yes. I keep saying yes when asked as it's saying the path is wrong.
Eventually it stops asking and the path that is left is the correct one.
Click apply and the job is done.
The only thing now is to reboot to test it.....but I would rather leave this until absolutely necessary as it may not work.
Also am I right in re-naming the "boot.ini" to "boot"
So many questions and bugger all help from the devs
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Borksylvania
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:05:00 -
[1529]
i installed the patch last night, and just found out about this problem (since I never restart my computer) and am currently at work so I haven't had a chance to check if I was affected. But, my question is this, I have eve installed on a diffrent partition as windows, so in theory should I be affected?
aka is the problem that the boot.ini is overwritten on the root of the drive that eve is installed on or is it that it actually overwrites the windows boot.ini no matter where eve is located.
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Stylom
Gallente
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:05:00 -
[1530]
maybe an in game help channel might be more effective than a forum thread - by the time someone makes a post - two pages have passed - can't we start a channel and get a dev or some isd peeps in there ?
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:05:00 -
[1531]
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh
Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
WRONG! Mr. Kordesh, Please stop giving computer and legal advice.
.....clearly you've never heard of linux....ever. Please stop telling me what to do. I'm more qualified, and clearly more level headed than you.
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Rooster
Amarr
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:06:00 -
[1532]
This was a colossal **** up on CCPs part.
I had patched, updated my graphics driver, rebooted.. and then was surprised by this little gem. Only after running a repair and reinstalling drivers did I log into EVE again and get the nice pop-up about my boot.ini. I checked C:\ and whatdoyaknow... its freaking gone.
Do they have monkeys doing their QA? Can you honestly tell me they are doing good QA if they never bothers to reboot their test PCs? Or don't they have test PCs?
W T F ????
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:08:00 -
[1533]
Originally by: mishkof
Originally by: Kordesh
Pool of Radiance. The initially pressed disks would cause the game to uninstall system files when the game was uninstalled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_radiance#Pool_of_Radiance:_Ruins_of_Myth_Drannor
Final Fantasy XI also had a patch that caused systems to go down I believe
Either DAoC or EQ, I forget which. A virus had infected the patch server, and a trojan was being doled out with the patch for a good. Fortunately it was caught quickly and few were infected.
So kindly, please, STFU yourself.
You are a master debater.
None of your examples have any proof of any error generating patches like this one. A wiki article? I read the 4 major bugs that were all solviable by uninstalling the game.
Your last 2 are comical, especially in the third one. You cannot even pinpoint the problem to an actual GAME.
Excuse me for not wanting to waste my time digging through the vastness of the internet looking for scholarly papers on events that have happened four to five years ago because some ****ant isn't satisfied that they happened. And for the record, those problems weren't easily solved by uninstalling the game, they were CAUSED by uninstalling the game.
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Morpheus Solo
Minmatar
Koshaku
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:09:00 -
[1534]
My god are half of the eve community (or at least half the ones posting here) spoiled brats. It cetainly seems like it. Yah CCP made a big mistake, get over it. Fixing it is easy, you dont have to have a degree in IT to rectify it. And quite frankly how many really got affected by it between 23.30 and 04.00. I dont think that many.
Show an ounce of respect for the company dedicated to developing eve for our benifit. Im pretty sure its not fiscally the right way to go, milking it as long as possible would probably have been better economically, but thats not the CCP way is it.
The way all the w(h)iners in this forum thread behaves makes me sick. Fix the problem, go enjoy the new content and beatifull graphics.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:09:00 -
[1535]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh
Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
WRONG! Mr. Kordesh, Please stop giving computer and legal advice.
.....clearly you've never heard of linux....ever. Please stop telling me what to do. I'm more qualified, and clearly more level headed than you.
sudo rm -rf /boot
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Vuk Lau
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:09:00 -
[1536]
Guys its really simple.
Boot with WinXP CD
Go to recovery console
Type FIXBOOT
And thats it
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Silent sarrow
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:09:00 -
[1537]
Hi, I was effected by this and i have a dell. When i open the case that has all my disks for my drivers and such the only operating system disk i have is a DVD its the windows reinstalation disk sent with my computer. So how can I fix this because my computer only has the option to boot from the cd-rom drive from what i can see.
P.S CCP I am vary dissapointed but I am not going to quite eve because of this I knew I should have waited a day or two before i rebooted my cpu but when you have a crapy internet i couldnt resist. PLZ someone find a solution for me I have alot of school work that cant be done on my sisters laptop.
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El Sp1c
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:12:00 -
[1538]
Originally by: Nerogk Shorn
I run EVE on a Bootcamped MacBook Pro. I installed, and restarted my computer, and windows will not start due to the lack of this boot.ini. It says <windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing or corrupt.
How do i fix this for my computer? How do i get onto windows to make the boot.ini fixes?
What do I do....?
Simple put your windows disk into your computer.
Reboot your computer holding the ALT button
Click on the Windows CD Icon
Screen will turn blue, let it run until it gives you choices
Choose recovery console
Type 1 hit enter
Put you admin pass (if you dont have one just press enter)
once you have a prompt type
bootcfg /rebuild
hit enter twice
then type
fixboot
once that is done restart your computer holding down alt
choose the harddrive icon that has windows and you should be back in windows now
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:13:00 -
[1539]
Edited by: Kordesh on 06/12/2007 22:13:03
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Alicina Goodbody
Originally by: Kordesh
Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
WRONG! Mr. Kordesh, Please stop giving computer and legal advice.
.....clearly you've never heard of linux....ever. Please stop telling me what to do. I'm more qualified, and clearly more level headed than you.
sudo rm -rf /boot
Then assuming that wasn't a random google search, you should know yourself that Eve would not have been able to do so if XP had similar system permissions unless it was given superuser access, which is the only point I was trying to make.
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Tasuric Orka
Antares Fleet Yards
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:13:00 -
[1540]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Edited by: Caiden Soul on 06/12/2007 21:09:39
Ok, I'll try again. RE. this post:
Quote:
CCP Mindstar
Posted - 2007.12.06 08:01:00 - [100] - Quote
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Another option we have put together which should be quite simple for users who find their boot.ini to be missing (and have not yet rebooted) is the following:
Download:
Windows XP (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini)( also windows 2000 installed in a folder named "Windows" )
OR
Windows 2000 (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/win2kboot.ini)
+ Copy it into the root directory of your Windows drive (eg. C:\)
+ Rename it to "boot.ini"
+ Go to start, then Run and type in "msconfig"
+ Click on the "boot.ini" tab, and select "Check all boot paths"
+ There will be a series of popups for the invalid installation paths in the above files (14 if all goes to plan), and the correct settings will be placed in your boot.ini.
+ Remember to hit "Apply" before exiting the tool, as this will save the new settings.
Most likely, this file will contain the correct path to your windows installation somewhere there, and will be found by checking it using the msconfig tool.
--
The cake is a lie!
I followed this and if you rename the file "boot.ini" it fails to show the boot.ini tab when you run msconfig.
I know from my modding days in Dawn of War that .ini files are often named without the the .ini on the end. So I renamed the file just "boot" and voila, the "boot.ini" tab has appeared when I run msconfig.
Good so far but now when I run the "Check all boot paths" I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?"
If I say no then it just cycles through the 14/15 times you get asked then then you exit back to where you were.
So I assume I must say Yes, but what happens then? will it offer to rebuild the boot.ini or what?
CCP MIndstar's post is innacurate and incomplete, what was the point of posting half the information. If you are going to post a solution post the complete thing from start to finish and have the correct naming conventions in there.
Can someone please update/complete his post.
Thanks
Ok, I've done it again and when I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?" I say yes. I keep saying yes when asked as it's saying the path is wrong.
Eventually it stops asking and the path that is left is the correct one.
Click apply and the job is done.
The only thing now is to reboot to test it.....but I would rather leave this until absolutely necessary as it may not work.
Also am I right in re-naming the "boot.ini" to "boot"
So many questions and bugger all help from the devs
You have to make sure the file is actually called "boot.ini", cause depending on your settings it will show as "boot.ini" while it is actually "boot.ini.txt". YOu have to enable a setting in folder options i believe to display all true file extensions, because windows will not touch "boot.ini.txt".
I personally fixed the problem by making a new notepad document, taking the sample boot.ini text from i believe the ccp post on the issue, and renaming it to boot.ini after windows tried to cheat me, then tested the file by going to the configuration screen, system properties, the advanced tab and clicking the "startup and recovery" button. When the boot.ini was still in txt form it would give me an error, when it finally didnt i rebooted and voila, np.
Though, this might not work for you.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:14:00 -
[1541]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/12/2007 22:14:32
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Kelenthin
Originally by: Spork Witch
I don't know what caused the issue in the first place, and to be honest, I can't think of what they could have done to cause it (but it wouldn't be the first time something completely random has happened, Windows does weird stuff sometimes.) The bigger issue is this: regardless of what CCP did, IT SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TOUCH THE FILE IN THE FIRST PLACE. If Windows came even close to being a decent OS, it wouldn't allow arbitrary modification of system critical files without confirmation. Granted the average ****** (i.e. 99% of the people that have access to computers) would just click accept anyway, but it should have at least come up saying something was trying to mess with it. Windows is the only OS I know of to ever allow ANYTHING to touch system files without permission.
Sorry for the rant, but yeah, it shouldn't have happened in the first place, but the blame isn't all on CCP either, since if MS did their job right for once it wouldn't have been possible in the first place.
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better myself. Again, Thank You!
I do agree. Any other operating system would not have allowed you to touch that file without having specifically asked you permission even if you were logged in as administrator.
Indeed, see my post here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=49#1463
No need to even ask the user, it should simply be impossible for an installer running in administrator mode to mess up the OS.
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Rooster
Amarr
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:14:00 -
[1542]
Edited by: Rooster on 06/12/2007 22:14:36
it might help if CCP read their own forums!!!
This bug appears to have been found when it was still in test:
8th post down.. by JAVLAN
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
Unforgivable
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:16:00 -
[1543]
Originally by: Rooster
Edited by: Rooster on 06/12/2007 22:14:36
it might help if CCP read their own forums!!!
This bug appears to have been found when it was still in test:
8th post down.. by JAVLAN
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
Unforgivable
Oh dear.
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Stylom
Gallente
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:16:00 -
[1544]
Originally by: Morpheus Solo
My god are half of the eve community (or at least half the ones posting here) spoiled brats. It cetainly seems like it. Yah CCP made a big mistake, get over it. Fixing it is easy, you dont have to have a degree in IT to rectify it. And quite frankly how many really got affected by it between 23.30 and 04.00. I dont think that many.
Show an ounce of respect for the company dedicated to developing eve for our benifit. Im pretty sure its not fiscally the right way to go, milking it as long as possible would probably have been better economically, but thats not the CCP way is it.
The way all the w(h)iners in this forum thread behaves makes me sick. Fix the problem, go enjoy the new content and beatifull graphics.
Well said sir
Early I made the point its mainly only Yanks that can't reboot up their PCs - at that point all the dev support dried up
Now its just a sudden death match between the Trolls and Whiners in here (think the trolls are holding their own so far)
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Mean Anglo-Danes
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:17:00 -
[1545]
Quote:
And quite frankly how many really got affected by it between 23.30 and 04.00. I dont think that many.
I downloaded the patch 10:55 eve time (right before dt)
and my computer is now out of service after i reboted it.
I thought i was safe because i don¦t have installed the "premium" patch, just the small one.
and i did it AFTER 04:00 eve time..
But low and behold i can¦t get my computer to work. (writing on laptop)
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:18:00 -
[1546]
Originally by: Rooster
Edited by: Rooster on 06/12/2007 22:14:36
it might help if CCP read their own forums!!!
This bug appears to have been found when it was still in test:
8th post down.. by JAVLAN
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
Unforgivable
Unless that thread was moved, he posted in known issues and work arounds, and it was buried several posts down in a thread. Unless he made a formal bug report, I highly doubt they would have found it. They don't have the time or manpower to read every single post, and they had no reason to believe an unknown issue, would be posted in the known issues forum.
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"It's a lot like being a walking house that eats lettuce."
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Daplat Mode
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:18:00 -
[1547]
Okay, so after installing the new patch, and the additional content, I restarted my pc.
"boot.ini not found"
but xpsp2 fired right up shortly afterwards and works fine.
I dont have a boot.ini tab in msconfig, nor is the file anywhere to be found.
My question is, why is my computer working perfectly right now after restarting with no boot.ini >>? Im scared sh*tless to try and restart this thing again.
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Rick Thwaites
Caritas.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:18:00 -
[1548]
Good thing I dual boot, because when I tried to fix the boot.ini another problem occured and won't let me restart. Time to reinstall (good old bootcamp). Time to allocate more HD to EVE and Steam
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Wetchaser1
Gallente
Species 5618
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:19:00 -
[1549]
This started out being a slam mail, but since i figured out how to reformatt my laptop, ill just pass the info along.
For acer Laptops, you must unplug all periphials before using back up cd/s you made when you were promted first time you booted pc from new. You did make those cd's didnt you..........
Go into bios, and just move cd rom up to first position in boot sequence. Reboot pc with disc in, and follow promts. If periphials are still plugged in, you wont get prompt for second cd, and entire process just stops. Hope this helps someone.
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Skynet91
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:19:00 -
[1550]
so the real question should be after all this, who got fired :P?
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Kordesh
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:19:00 -
[1551]
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto
Quote:
And quite frankly how many really got affected by it between 23.30 and 04.00. I dont think that many.
Actually, probably quite a few. Many were waiting for the patch to come up, and all of which would have been effected.
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zattariss
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:21:00 -
[1552]
EPIC FAIL BY CCP.
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Rooster
Amarr
Organized Combat Consortium
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:22:00 -
[1553]
They locked the thread... that's why it is buried
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:22:00 -
[1554]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Caldrion Dosto
Quote:
And quite frankly how many really got affected by it between 23.30 and 04.00. I dont think that many.
Actually, probably quite a few. Many were waiting for the patch to come up, and all of which would have been effected.
It came up at 5pm on the east coast of the US, that's a pretty big peak time.
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RampageSR
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:25:00 -
[1555]
Why is everyone seemingly upset with CCP? Did anyone every think that maybe Microsoft should have the Boot.ini PROTECTED from such disasters??? CCP should get a medal for discovering a serious flaw in Windows! People basically pay several hundred dollars for Microsoft Windows and yet the Boot.ini file can be so easily erased. WOW!
- Ramp
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:25:00 -
[1556]
Originally by: Vuk Lau
Guys its really simple.
Boot with WinXP CD
Go to recovery console
Type FIXBOOT
And thats it
My PC won't boot from the CD, even if its enabled as the 1st boot location on BIOS. Been trying to resolve the problem since this morning.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:27:00 -
[1557]
I think it's just a dastardly ruse by CCP to get us all to play Eve longer
Make a Difference
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CaeserTheGreat
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:27:00 -
[1558]
Well i had to use my XP disc this morning. I was unable to get online any other way to read the fix. Lucky some of you have multiple pcs.
After 1.5hr to repair from cd im good to go. But i really do feel for those at this very moment that are not pc savy. As they say whats wrong with my new pc i just got for early xmas gift or just bought recently? Those that have already taken there pc to the shops. Yikes!! :(
Well i guess a mistake is just that, and we are human. We all make them. However... in a business there are repercussions from a mistake however small or large they are.
I dont know what that is for those spending cash to fix this problem.
I do know that for myself, and probably others who spent time not money to repair there pc from this mistake should be compensated ingame somehow. Maybe some isky? A new T2 bpc? A new T2 prebuilt ship? I think that is more than fair considering it cost the company nothing for these items and would go a LONG way in saying sorry for *our mistake*. jmo
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:28:00 -
[1559]
Originally by: Daplat Mode
Okay, so after installing the new patch, and the additional content, I restarted my pc.
"boot.ini not found"
but xpsp2 fired right up shortly afterwards and works fine.
I dont have a boot.ini tab in msconfig, nor is the file anywhere to be found.
My question is, why is my computer working perfectly right now after restarting with no boot.ini >>? Im scared sh*tless to try and restart this thing again.
In the folder C:\Windows\pss you probably have the file boot.ini.backup. Copy it to C:\ and rename it to just boot.ini. Windows will boot to the backup if it can't find the original, but you should still make one.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:31:00 -
[1560]
Originally by: Kordesh
They don't have the time or manpower to read every single post, and they had no reason to believe an unknown issue, would be posted in the known issues forum.
That's a fair comment, but then again a thread with that title should have attracted at least some attention.
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Ztrain
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:35:00 -
[1561]
Originally by: Stylom
Now its just a sudden death match between the Trolls and Whiners in here (think the trolls are holding their own so far)
Never under estimate the Devil Advocate.......
There is always what appears to be and then there is what there is.
The Truth is a 3 edged sword, your side, their side, but reality is generally in between.
Z
Originally by: CCP Zulupark
That's the rough idea, yes. We still have in no way started thinking about what modules to introduce, what they would do or anything of the likes, but the idea is that.
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Brown Star
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:35:00 -
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darthkalo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:36:00 -
[1563]
Originally by: Rooster
Edited by: Rooster on 06/12/2007 22:14:36
it might help if CCP read their own forums!!!
This bug appears to have been found when it was still in test:
8th post down.. by JAVLAN
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
Unforgivable
this is the final blow bmo
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:37:00 -
[1564]
^^Awesome
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Tsar Pasha
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:38:00 -
[1565]
Originally by: Kordesh
If its a live CD and not just a bootable CD, I don't see how that would happen. As far as I'm aware, the way LiveCDs function is that everything is loaded from the CD temporarily into RAM and read from the CD as needed. It shouldn't be dealing with the boot files for windows at all.
Well, we've tried that, and while we could get the live cd working, we couldn't access the hard drive.
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NBT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:40:00 -
[1566]
Edited by: NBT on 06/12/2007 22:42:32
LISEN UP !!! i downloadet eve premium 8:00 eve time this morning .. instalt it 17:00 eve time ... and lost my boot.ini .. i dit a clean install of eve premiun and no updates so its not only the one version .... i have xp sp2 pro ... i used backup boot.ini for creat a new one .. happely i dont restart my pc i only set it on standby so i was abel to turn it on and check it ... al of you chould check it ... and yeas IT DOSNT MATHER ON WHAT HARD DISK YOU INSTAL IT ... i have on c windows and on d eve .. still lost my boot.ini ... SO REMBEMBER THAT !!!
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:40:00 -
[1567]
Originally by: RampageSR
Why is everyone seemingly upset with CCP? Did anyone every think that maybe Microsoft should have the Boot.ini PROTECTED from such disasters??? CCP should get a medal for discovering a serious flaw in Windows! People basically pay several hundred dollars for Microsoft Windows and yet the Boot.ini file can be so easily erased. WOW!
- Ramp
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Commander Prishe
Caldari
The LoneStar Corp
Edge Of Sanity
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:44:00 -
[1568]
Originally by: MissileRus
Originally by: RampageSR
Why is everyone seemingly upset with CCP? Did anyone every think that maybe Microsoft should have the Boot.ini PROTECTED from such disasters??? CCP should get a medal for discovering a serious flaw in Windows! People basically pay several hundred dollars for Microsoft Windows and yet the Boot.ini file can be so easily erased. WOW!
- Ramp
Microsoft did realise windows xp had this serious flaw..... hence it was corrected.. in vista
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:44:00 -
[1569]
Originally by: NBT
Edited by: NBT on 06/12/2007 22:42:32
LISEN UP !!! i downloadet eve premium 8:00 eve time this morning .. instalt it 17:00 eve time ... and lost my boot.ini .. i dit a clean install of eve premiun and no updates so its not only the one version .... i have xp sp2 pro ... i used backup boot.ini for creat a new one .. happely i dont restart my pc i only set it on standby so i was abel to turn it on and check it ... al of you chould check it ... and yeas IT DOSNT MATHER ON WHAT HARD DISK YOU INSTAL IT ... i have on c windows and on d eve .. still lost my boot.ini ... SO REMBEMBER THAT !!!
Have you told CCP directly? They might not see all these posts.
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darthkalo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:45:00 -
[1570]
Originally by: MissileRus
Originally by: RampageSR
Why is everyone seemingly upset with CCP? Did anyone every think that maybe Microsoft should have the Boot.ini PROTECTED from such disasters??? CCP should get a medal for discovering a serious flaw in Windows! People basically pay several hundred dollars for Microsoft Windows and yet the Boot.ini file can be so easily erased. WOW!
- Ramp
The boot.ini cannot be deleted uinless you run the patch with certain privilleges.
And you must run the patch with certain privlleges.....
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:45:00 -
[1571]
Originally by: Skynet91
so the real question should be after all this, who got fired :P?
Me. Just my luck!
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NBT
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:48:00 -
[1572]
Originally by: Poreuomai
Originally by: NBT
Edited by: NBT on 06/12/2007 22:42:32
LISEN UP !!! i downloadet eve premium 8:00 eve time this morning .. instalt it 17:00 eve time ... and lost my boot.ini .. i dit a clean install of eve premiun and no updates so its not only the one version .... i have xp sp2 pro ... i used backup boot.ini for creat a new one .. happely i dont restart my pc i only set it on standby so i was abel to turn it on and check it ... al of you chould check it ... and yeas IT DOSNT MATHER ON WHAT HARD DISK YOU INSTAL IT ... i have on c windows and on d eve .. still lost my boot.ini ... SO REMBEMBER THAT !!!
Have you told CCP directly? They might not see all these posts.
nope not yet :P
but in 10 sec :P
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:53:00 -
[1573]
Edited by: Caiden Soul on 06/12/2007 22:55:10
Quote:
Ok, I've done it again and when I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?" I say yes. I keep saying yes when asked as it's saying the path is wrong.
Eventually it stops asking and the path that is left is the correct one.
Click apply and the job is done.
The only thing now is to reboot to test it.....but I would rather leave this until absolutely necessary as it may not work.
Also am I right in re-naming the "boot.ini" to "boot"
So many questions and bugger all help from the devs
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You have to make sure the file is actually called "boot.ini", cause depending on your settings it will show as "boot.ini" while it is actually "boot.ini.txt". YOu have to enable a setting in folder options i believe to display all true file extensions, because windows will not touch "boot.ini.txt".
I personally fixed the problem by making a new notepad document, taking the sample boot.ini text from i believe the ccp post on the issue, and renaming it to boot.ini after windows tried to cheat me, then tested the file by going to the configuration screen, system properties, the advanced tab and clicking the "startup and recovery" button. When the boot.ini was still in txt form it would give me an error, when it finally didnt i rebooted and voila, np.
Though, this might not work for you.
Yeah, this was worrying me but without taking the .ini off the end it wouldn't show the boot.ini tab in msconfig.
Just figured it out though. The extensions weren't ticked in windows so boot was boot.ini and boot.ini was actually boot.ini.ini if you know what I mean.
This just leaves me with one last question before I reboot.
My new boot.ini now reads:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
BUT, as I have Microsoft Windows XP PROFESSIONAL, should it read:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP PROFESSIONAL" /fastdetect
Again, this should have been addressed in the CCP post posted 14 hours ago.
So which is right and if it's wrong will I be able to get to the file to edit it if my pc fails to boot as normal?
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:54:00 -
[1574]
Edited by: Poreuomai on 06/12/2007 22:54:37
Originally by: NBT
Originally by: Poreuomai
Have you told CCP directly? They might not see all these posts.
nope not yet :P
but in 10 sec :P
Well, I'm happy to say that installing the basic upgrade caused no problems for me, so I'll count my blessings and continue to play EVE classic.
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Ahnre Delgato
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:56:00 -
[1575]
So, I installed the pat6ch last night before 4:00 GMT and then turned off my computer, came home today, booted up my computer with no problems only to discover my computer didn't actually have a boot.ini file in existence. What gives? Why was I still able to boot? weird crap I tell ya.
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darthkalo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 22:59:00 -
[1576]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Edited by: Caiden Soul on 06/12/2007 22:55:10
Quote:
Ok, I've done it again and when I get the choice of "Would you like to remove it from the boot.ini file?" I say yes. I keep saying yes when asked as it's saying the path is wrong.
Eventually it stops asking and the path that is left is the correct one.
Click apply and the job is done.
The only thing now is to reboot to test it.....but I would rather leave this until absolutely necessary as it may not work.
Also am I right in re-naming the "boot.ini" to "boot"
So many questions and bugger all help from the devs
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You have to make sure the file is actually called "boot.ini", cause depending on your settings it will show as "boot.ini" while it is actually "boot.ini.txt". YOu have to enable a setting in folder options i believe to display all true file extensions, because windows will not touch "boot.ini.txt".
I personally fixed the problem by making a new notepad document, taking the sample boot.ini text from i believe the ccp post on the issue, and renaming it to boot.ini after windows tried to cheat me, then tested the file by going to the configuration screen, system properties, the advanced tab and clicking the "startup and recovery" button. When the boot.ini was still in txt form it would give me an error, when it finally didnt i rebooted and voila, np.
Though, this might not work for you.
Yeah, this was worrying me but without taking the .ini off the end it wouldn't show the boot.ini tab in msconfig.
Just figured it out though. The extensions weren't ticked in windows so boot was boot.ini and boot.ini was actually boot.ini.ini if you know what I mean.
This just leaves me with one last question before I reboot.
My new boot.ini now reads:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
BUT, as I have Microsoft Windows XP PROFESSIONAL, should it read:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP PROFESSIONAL" /fastdetect
Again, this should have been addressed in the CCP post posted 14 hours ago.
So which is right and if it's wrong will I be able to get to the file to edit it if my pc fails to boot as normal?
You have posted 2 exactly the same entries.
But to answer your question, the OS dscription should not matter at all.(the text in the quotes)
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Rawrior
Gallente
UNITED STAR SYNDICATE
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:00:00 -
[1577]
"The C:\boot.ini file can not be opened. operating system and timeout settings can not be changed" .... what does it all mean?!?!
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deadlydog5
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:00:00 -
[1578]
shouldnt the dev team TEST there stuff and make sure its safe before they release it? they should be the first ones to find out that there classic to premium is ****ed up before us? right now im on my crap laptop and it turns out my entire C: drive has been deleted from this **** now the things i have take 1 day to install but the games that i have that are 50 dollars each that require a code to download i cant play and have to buy new ones so WTF?! well i doubt im getting much for xmas now that we have to get our computer fixed and buy about 7 games all 50 bucks a peice
thanks CCP u bunch of ******s...
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:01:00 -
[1579]
Originally by: Ahnre Delgato
So, I installed the pat6ch last night before 4:00 GMT and then turned off my computer, came home today, booted up my computer with no problems only to discover my computer didn't actually have a boot.ini file in existence. What gives? Why was I still able to boot? weird crap I tell ya.
In C:\Windows\pss you probably have a boot.ini.backup file. Copy it to C:\ and rename it to boot.ini
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:01:00 -
[1580]
Originally by: LordSwift
Why are people getting so angry with this.if you have had the problem, its a very simple fix.
Let me give you a timeline:
0300 GMT: Apply patch, get into EVE, cheer at graphics, shut down computer and go to bed because it's 3am.
1100 GMT: Turn on computer. Computer boots to a blank screen. Reboot, go get a drink.
1110 GMT: Blank screen again. Curse Windows XP, reboot into Vista (yes, XP & Vista dual boot, it's a dark art, and part of why this was so hard to fix). Realise Vista doesn't show up the XP disk, 'cos it's the only way of getting the two to co-exist. Reboot into Linux, mount XP. Mounts okay, so unmount, run file system check, reboot.
1120 GMT: Blank screen again. Decide maybe it just doesn't like me. Wait a bit. Nothing happens. Wait some more. Still nothing.
1130 GMT: Reboot to Linux, check status of partition table. Re-check XP partition. Look puzzled. Get into shower then have lunch.
1300 GMT: Come back. Realise that boot menu key is F8, not F10. Try to boot last known good config. Fail. Reboot. Try booting safemode. Fail. Reboot. Try booting safemode command line. Note that OS hangs at diskcrc.sys. Reboot. Does same again.
1320 GMT: Reboot to Linux. Surf for information on diskcrc.sys. Find pages telling me that it is involved with CRCing the disk. Swear at Internet. Meddle with partition table to pass the time.
1330 GMT: Give up. Go read news sites, see entry saying EVE kills boot.ini. Realise I need and don't have XP install CD. Go to try finding XP install CD.
1350 GMT: Give up on XP install CD as a lost cause. Mount disk under Linux, type in boot.ini from example provided by Microsoft. Open hexeditor, convert end of line indicators from Linux style to Windows style. Reboot.
1400 GMT: Find myself looking at a completely new error screen, which appears to mostly consist of a white line along the bottom. Look puzzled. Meddle some more.
1430 GMT: Realise that the XP partition is partition 2 on disk, not partition 1. Boot Linux, edit boot.ini, check linefeed style, reboot. Windows finally boots, and complains the disk needs checking.
Turns out it that XP SP2 was trying to use a guessed boot.ini, which assumed the first partition it found had XP on. It didn't, it had Vista. So, it was trying to boot XP, from a Vista partition. This, believe it or not, really didn't work.
Now, imagine you're a non-technical user, without access to the Internet, and tell me this is an easy thing to fix...
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:02:00 -
[1581]
Yeah, I did notice straight away and edited it to how it should be, but you must have still read it first.
Thanks for the answer though, I appreciate that.
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Zoukanix
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:03:00 -
[1582]
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Lazarann
Ideal Machine
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:03:00 -
[1583]
Originally by: deadlydog5
shouldnt the dev team TEST there stuff and make sure its safe before they release it? they should be the first ones to find out that there classic to premium is ****ed up before us? right now im on my crap laptop and it turns out my entire C: drive has been deleted from this **** now the things i have take 1 day to install but the games that i have that are 50 dollars each that require a code to download i cant play and have to buy new ones so WTF?! well i doubt im getting much for xmas now that we have to get our computer fixed and buy about 7 games all 50 bucks a peice
thanks CCP u bunch of ******s...
For starters, this doesn't cause your whole C:\ to be erased, so something else probably happened. All it does is delete your boot.ini.
If you've already purchased a code for any game, contact that game's tech support and make a big scene about it, they'll most likely give you another code or send you back the one you have. There's no reason you should have to pay for them again.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:06:00 -
[1584]
Originally by: Malixu
Now, imagine you're a non-technical user, without access to the Internet, and tell me this is an easy thing to fix...
I'm a non-technical user. I have only installed Windows XP. XP tries to boot from a default boot.ini, and it succeeds because, being a non-technical user, I have a bog-standard setup.
Awesome.
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Asari Sendai
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:13:00 -
[1585]
I sent this to Kieron who is the CCP Director of Community Relations, EVE Online:
Kieron,
I have filed a petition on this, but I thought I would ask you directly. I was affected yesterday by this monumental gaff on CCP's part. Fortunately I am pretty technically inclined and was able to rescue my machine and data; but only after a huge amount of time, grief, and aggravation. Others may not be so lucky. I want to ask what CCP is going to do for those of us who were affected by this? In my petition I have asked for reimbursement of a few months subscription fees or an equivalent amount of ISK in game. Personally I think this is very fair. I don't think I need to express to you the amount of outrage and anger from your user community towards CCP at this time. I think that offering something to those of us who were affected will go a long way towards soothing our "ruffled feathers" and restoring your image which is understandably tainted at this time. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:17:00 -
[1586]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Emails coming out from the devs.
Support information and telephone helplines etc.
Check your emails guys.
Originally by: EVE Support EMAIL
For those of you who need further assistance please file a petition in the boot.ini technical category from our website or by sending an email to [email protected] or call one of the temporary special call-in help lines that we have set up:
US (Atlanta): + 404 292 1819 Ext 241 - Open 1400-2200 GMT
US (Atlanta): Toll free number available soon, will be announced on www.eve-online.com
German/English language: +49 211 505 7720 (Local) Open 0600-1500 GMT
French language +49 211 505 7 721 (Local) Open 0600-1500 GMT
Russian language +49 211 505 7 722 (Local) Open 0600-1500 GMT
Iceland toll free number is being set up, will be announced on www.eve-online.com
Please note that these special help lines can only assist with this particular issue.
HELPLINES!!!! GREAT MOVE!!!!! Wonder where I heard that before :P
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k Rose
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
Aeon Group Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:18:00 -
[1587]
thanks for the headaches CCP
Hey Classic RCKS, really good with updating the software. I have to say the graphic update is the biggest and best job you guys have done.
TY CCP
K ROSE
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Lectoast
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:20:00 -
[1588]
Haha if only they had realized this earlier. My boot.ini file got messed up from the installation, and I was right in the middle of finals week (still am) and had a term paper to finish. I didn't have time to troubleshoot, and instead just reinstalled windows. Now my paper's overdue and I have no idea how I'll finish it.
Ah, if only...
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:21:00 -
[1589]
Originally by: RampageSR
BTW, how did the update do on the Linux Operating Systems???
EVE ate my inittab
...but seriously, I hear Linux was fine.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:23:00 -
[1590]
Originally by: Caiden Soul
Emails coming out from the devs.
Support information and telephone helplines etc.
Check your emails guys.
Nope. Nothing.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Tyler Rainez
Gallente
Fallen Kings Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:24:00 -
[1591]
I don't post much, but this is worthy enough where I can voice an opinion on this disaster.
1) Congrats CCP on an outstanding expansion.
2) Bad job on QA..but mistakes happen. Understood.
3) Good job on acknowledging the problem and helping to try and resolve it and accepting responsiblity instead of saying, reinstall drivers, reinstall OS, etc...
4) To the rest of you gripers, do you upgrade your drivers, anti-virus, spy-ware protection? Then why in the world would you not update to Vista?
Not to defend Micro$oft, but they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform, maybe that's why there's not a boot.ini to delete or overwrite. Before you point fingers ask yourself...Did I do everything I could to prevent a disaster from happening?
Flame On
I only have two things in this world, my word and my balls and I don't break'em for nobody! -- Tony Montana |
Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:27:00 -
[1592]
Edited by: Malixu on 06/12/2007 23:27:34
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
4) To the rest of you gripers, do you upgrade your drivers, anti-virus, spy-ware protection? Then why in the world would you not update to Vista?
Can I question your use of the word "upgrade" in this context? Up until now I've not seen any advantage to Vista.
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RampageSR
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:29:00 -
[1593]
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Not to defend Micro$oft, but they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform, maybe that's why there's not a boot.ini to delete or overwrite. Before you point fingers ask yourself...Did I do everything I could to prevent a disaster from happening?
Doesn't having all the latest security patches for Windows XP constitute being up to date on the latest prevention of such disasters? Oh, and Windows Vista is a joke in itself. When I used a Vista system, it gets quite annoying to click through tons of pop ups asking if you're sure you want to run something. They remind me of the annoying K-9 Car Alarm Systems with horrible shock sensors so the damn thing goes off every minute of the day. And they call that security!
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Jonak
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:31:00 -
[1594]
I just got home and my PC booted and I got to the desktop. I've logged into Eve and everything seems fine. I have WinXP Pro with SP2. Everything seems fine.
I did the early Premium download. Should I be worried if everything is working fine?
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:31:00 -
[1595]
Ok. Been trying to get my PC's OS back now since 10am (its now 2330pm).
Not being a 'techy' (yup sorry about that for those that want to post 'noob l3arn 2 use ur PC') its off to PC World I go at a lovely cost of ú69.99p + vat.
Needless to say CCP, youre off my xmas card list.
C.
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Dehumanisation - griefers are cool and if you are not a griefer, you do not belong here.
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Killian Pirx
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:32:00 -
[1596]
What are people supposed to do who have already rebooted their computers? Has CCP come up with any ways to fix it that dont involve me paying someone?
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Indio Starlight
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:33:00 -
[1597]
If anyone is still having this problem....you could try the advice from microsoft...This is basically what Eve 'experts' have been saying...
Link to http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314477.
It does give a few more options on how to fix this problem if you have rebooted and are getting the error ...hal.dll missing or corrupt.
I must add my 2 cents worth, but I'm sure it's been said...I have a raid 0 configuration, and this affected me, so it seems to effect users with win xp on more then the secondary drive. Thank god I have a lot of computer experience and searched the microsoft website for an answer....of course a smarter move would have been to logon to eve and find out about this!!! DOH!
As a computer programmer I know this sort of thing happens, but this really had me in a panic. What is that smell? Oh, its CCP ****ing in der pants.
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Alicina Goodbody
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:34:00 -
[1598]
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
4) To the rest of you gripers, do you upgrade your drivers, anti-virus, spy-ware protection? Then why in the world would you not update to Vista?
Flame On
- No active desktop
- Task bar does not span monitors
- Audigy 2 Zs is not supported
- DRM built into the system
- Most of my (windoze)customers are XP based
- Vista SP1 is not released
These are the reasons off the top of my head....
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:35:00 -
[1599]
Originally by: Asari Sendai
I sent this to Kieron who is the CCP Director of Community Relations, EVE Online:
Kieron,
I have filed a petition on this, but I thought I would ask you directly. I was affected yesterday by this monumental gaff on CCP's part. Fortunately I am pretty technically inclined and was able to rescue my machine and data; but only after a huge amount of time, grief, and aggravation. Others may not be so lucky. I want to ask what CCP is going to do for those of us who were affected by this? In my petition I have asked for reimbursement of a few months subscription fees or an equivalent amount of ISK in game. Personally I think this is very fair. I don't think I need to express to you the amount of outrage and anger from your user community towards CCP at this time. I think that offering something to those of us who were affected will go a long way towards soothing our "ruffled feathers" and restoring your image which is understandably tainted at this time. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
Maybe you'll get a response back saying they'll do it and give you something but only if you answer all the requests for compensation that come in, including the ones from people who weren't actually affected. It is like saying, 'here, have some free money' and not expecting people to trample all over each other to get it.
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Tyler Rainez
Gallente
Fallen Kings Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:36:00 -
[1600]
Originally by: Malixu
Edited by: Malixu on 06/12/2007 23:27:34
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
4) To the rest of you gripers, do you upgrade your drivers, anti-virus, spy-ware protection? Then why in the world would you not update to Vista?
Can I question your use of the word "upgrade" in this context? Up until now I've not seen any advantage to Vista.
Answer - "they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform"
I only have two things in this world, my word and my balls and I don't break'em for nobody! -- Tony Montana |
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LogixCraft
Gallente
Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:38:00 -
[1601]
I downloaded the content last night, booted up eve to see the graphics were kinda messed up even though I support them(Looks like a depth buffer problem). Thought "meh" I'll deal with it tommorow and shutdown for the night, got up this morning ready to tackle the graphics problem (thought I could use a driver update) to find lo' and behold, XP has been royally @$@#!% up. I'm at work now, but even when I tried the recovery via windows disk, it turns out my User with admin access isn't the admin, and since i haven't logged onto the "real" admin account since I got the computer I'm seriously screwed. Not fun when it resets after trying to input the wrong password 3 times in a row.
I'm going to try and tackle this once I get home again, and if I need to repartition I'm going to be ****ed.
*sigh* Well I do say thank you to CCP for their efforts, but I wish (not going to happen) we can get some sort of reimburstment/apology from CCP for those of us effected.
Wish me luck, with my graphics and the future of C drive.
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[ 2007.09.19 20:30:54 ] (combat) My Cat strikes you perfectly wrecking for Claws and Screams. |
Tyler Rainez
Gallente
Fallen Kings Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:38:00 -
[1602]
Originally by: RampageSR
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Not to defend Micro$oft, but they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform, maybe that's why there's not a boot.ini to delete or overwrite. Before you point fingers ask yourself...Did I do everything I could to prevent a disaster from happening?
Doesn't having all the latest security patches for Windows XP constitute being up to date on the latest prevention of such disasters? Oh, and Windows Vista is a joke in itself. When I used a Vista system, it gets quite annoying to click through tons of pop ups asking if you're sure you want to run something.
That's called security...make sure you know what's going on instead of just running in the background with no knowledge.
I only have two things in this world, my word and my balls and I don't break'em for nobody! -- Tony Montana |
Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:38:00 -
[1603]
Originally by: Killian Pirx
What are people supposed to do who have already rebooted their computers? Has CCP come up with any ways to fix it that dont involve me paying someone?
(Im posting with my crappy alt computer, not the nice one that I use for eve.)
Copy your boot.ini file from the crappy one and put it on your good one. Just put it onto a CD or any other media, boot off the recovery console as pointed out in microsoft's tech support section that you can access from your crappy computer, and copy the file.
Or, remove your hard drive from your good system, add it to your older one, and copy it over and put the hard drive back
And look, I didn't even charge you for that. Aren't I helpful? :)
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Stitcher
Caldari
legion of qui
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:39:00 -
[1604]
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Originally by: Malixu
Edited by: Malixu on 06/12/2007 23:27:34
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
4) To the rest of you gripers, do you upgrade your drivers, anti-virus, spy-ware protection? Then why in the world would you not update to Vista?
Can I question your use of the word "upgrade" in this context? Up until now I've not seen any advantage to Vista.
Answer - "they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform"
I've been using Vista for a while now, and I've come to prefer it to Windows XP
Just turn off SuperFetch and it's fine.
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Coteaz Mariel
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:39:00 -
[1605]
Well i have this problem after i restarted my computer it will not detect my hard disk so i can not use any of this to restore my computer.
Don't know what to do now
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Price Watcher
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:39:00 -
[1606]
Here is my take.
1.MORAL. If I break it I pay for it. This is a moral position and is absolute.
I do not hide behind a bunch of quasi-legal EULA doubletalk.
I don't shrug off my moral obligation if the owner of the thing I broke could have avoided the repair bill had they known more about repairing it themselves.
No excuses.
I pay, end of story. That's me, I am a moral person.
Is CCP a moral company? We shall find out in due course.
2.LEGAL. EULA's don't stand up well in U.S. courts. Companies sometimes lose. They ALWAYS pay. In the USA if you don't show up in court and defend your case you lose by default. That means that you have to pay a lawyer or team of lawyers.
This is very expensive. I don't know how many people in the U.S. were affected by this problem. The possibility of having to hire 100 to 1000 lawyers to defend in the multiple jurisdictions of the U.S. should give any company pause, let alone a small one.
If you do business in the USA then the courts here have jurisdiction.
A foreign company that ignores a U.S. lawsuit could well have its assets here seized and all financial transactions blocked.
If CCP wants to avoid the whole tangled mess getting out of the U.S. market they will probably survive. As a small(er) company.
Does CCP want to be a small(er) company? Time will tell.
3. PRACTICAL. Companies have reputations for good or for bad. Only a behemoth like Micro$oft can survive a bad reputation. Smart companies value a good reputation.
Is CCP a smart company? You be the judge.
POST WITH YOUR ALT!
The Shame o' The Galaxy |
Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:42:00 -
[1607]
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Originally by: RampageSR
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Not to defend Micro$oft, but they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform, maybe that's why there's not a boot.ini to delete or overwrite. Before you point fingers ask yourself...Did I do everything I could to prevent a disaster from happening?
Doesn't having all the latest security patches for Windows XP constitute being up to date on the latest prevention of such disasters? Oh, and Windows Vista is a joke in itself. When I used a Vista system, it gets quite annoying to click through tons of pop ups asking if you're sure you want to run something.
That's called security...make sure you know what's going on instead of just running in the background with no knowledge.
No, its called CYA (cover your ass). That way Microsoft can claim people who are hit with spyware/malware did it to themselves when they keep clicking yes to all the popups that come up from even trying to copy files from one place to the other. It is has about all the expectation of people actually reading and retaining all the information in the Vista software licensing agreement. And you'll be amazed at the amount of responsibility they thrust upon the user.
Oh, lets not forget you can get around this 'security' feature by renaming the file from an exe file to any other name. Genius, huh?
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Gibboviper2
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:43:00 -
[1608]
can i delete the whole package without losing my pc? Ive just upgraded the patch and it says do not reboot. im thinking im in the **** . this is my work pc and i have memos and documents on this relating to very important stuff. what the hell is going on. If i reboot i lose my freaking pc? Either way my reputation is on the line big time and this is just not on. Can i delete the whole freaking game and get rid of it and then reboot? i have no idea about tech stuff. i do not expect this ever from a freaking game and im cancelling subscribtion now. what a load of Bs this is and i certainly do not need this right now. im talking to a lawyer tomorrow if i lose this pc.
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Captain Sulu
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:43:00 -
[1609]
if anyone lives around the Burnley area in UK and your systems messed up with the boot.ini fix, bring it round and ill fix it for nowt, save you a trip to your local PCshop.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:45:00 -
[1610]
Originally by: Captain Sulu
if anyone lives around the Burnley area in UK and your systems messed up with the boot.ini fix, bring it round and ill fix it for nowt, save you a trip to your local PCshop.
I'l do it for anyone in staffordshire in the UK as well.
Originally by: Tarminic
You honestly paid a hundred dollars to someone to fix this? Unless they gave you a blowjob for free afterwards, it wasn't worth it.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:45:00 -
[1611]
I have to say, it is morbidly amusing to see people whine and flail when their OS goes to hell over something that was installed. It must be the BOFH in me. You can see the childlike naivety in their eyes when it happens and then the dumbfounded expression when you explain that yes, installing software has been known to break windows to the point where you have to reinstall. If you wanted stable, or more fixable by regular people platform, get a Mac. Your boot file gets trashed on that, it prompts you for the install disk, you put it in, it replaces it and you are back and running with all your files. There is a reason why those Mac Ads poke at PCs/Windows. Every thing they point out is actually true. Ask anyone who has been using Windows since version 3.1 or even supports it in a minor way. If only I could convince my company with 900 users to go entirely Apple... ah, to dream. :)
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RampageSR
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:48:00 -
[1612]
Opening Boot.ini in notepad, I have the following:
[boot loader]
timeout=1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
If you cannot create this file in windows for some reason, then go to the RUN tab in teh start menu and type in CMD
Once at command prompt, type in: cd\
Then type: edit
a simple text editing program will load. Now you have to manually type in the information I gave in the beginning of this posting. Then save it as: boot.ini
Exit the program and do the last final step.
Type in: attrib boot.ini -A +S +H
If this does not work, let me know... If it does, then you are welcome...
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darthkalo
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:49:00 -
[1613]
Originally by: LogixCraft
I downloaded the content last night, booted up eve to see the graphics were kinda messed up even though I support them(Looks like a depth buffer problem). Thought "meh" I'll deal with it tommorow and shutdown for the night, got up this morning ready to tackle the graphics problem (thought I could use a driver update) to find lo' and behold, XP has been royally @$@#!% up. I'm at work now, but even when I tried the recovery via windows disk, it turns out my User with admin access isn't the admin, and since i haven't logged onto the "real" admin account since I got the computer I'm seriously screwed. Not fun when it resets after trying to input the wrong password 3 times in a row.
I'm going to try and tackle this once I get home again, and if I need to repartition I'm going to be ****ed.
*sigh* Well I do say thank you to CCP for their efforts, but I wish (not going to happen) we can get some sort of reimburstment/apology from CCP for those of us effected.
Wish me luck, with my graphics and the future of C drive.
If you are trying to log in thru the recovery console and you have never set administrator password, just press enter when prompted(empty password).
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Tyler Rainez
Gallente
Fallen Kings Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:49:00 -
[1614]
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Originally by: RampageSR
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Not to defend Micro$oft, but they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform, maybe that's why there's not a boot.ini to delete or overwrite. Before you point fingers ask yourself...Did I do everything I could to prevent a disaster from happening?
Doesn't having all the latest security patches for Windows XP constitute being up to date on the latest prevention of such disasters? Oh, and Windows Vista is a joke in itself. When I used a Vista system, it gets quite annoying to click through tons of pop ups asking if you're sure you want to run something.
That's called security...make sure you know what's going on instead of just running in the background with no knowledge.
No, its called CYA (cover your ass). That way Microsoft can claim people who are hit with spyware/malware did it to themselves when they keep clicking yes to all the popups that come up from even trying to copy files from one place to the other. It is has about all the expectation of people actually reading and retaining all the information in the Vista software licensing agreement. And you'll be amazed at the amount of responsibility they thrust upon the user.
Oh, lets not forget you can get around this 'security' feature by renaming the file from an exe file to any other name. Genius, huh?
Well just to end this little disagreement - If you had Vista you would not have this problem.....PERIOD.
I only have two things in this world, my word and my balls and I don't break'em for nobody! -- Tony Montana |
Kaatie
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:50:00 -
[1615]
Question:
So start up Eve thinking all is well in life, long day at work over and now i can relax in Eve... And I get a big banner announcement telling me not to reboot, that there was a grave issue with the premium graphics download... And:
Quote:
Do not reboot: Update issue
If you finished downloading the Upgrade from Classic to Premium Graphics Content on Windows 2000 or Windows XP before 04:00 GMT today, 6 Dec, please read this post.
Your computer supports premium graphics content. Click here to start downloading it in the background. (Do not show again)
If you finished downloading the Upgrade from Classic to Premium Graphics Content on Windows 2000 or Windows XP before 04:00 GMT today, 6 Dec, please read this post.
There was a problem downloading the content upgrade.
Click here if you want further instructions on how to manually download the content upgrade."
So i'm a bit confused because it tells me there was a serious error with the update and then it asks me if I want to update now? So, it's fixed? It's safe now or is it not?
And I noticed that there was the main update download from the client when I first logged in and then I noticed another update/downloaded when I went into the graphics tab in the options menu... Which download caused boot.ini to vaporize and do I still have to update to Premium graphics? As far as I know the updates succeeded and my computer restarted normall today... I of course didn't see anything about the boot.ini issue until I restarted and started up Eve... Thank god it hasn't affected me yet.
So, do I re-update the premium graphics? The client is already Trinity-compliant.
Thanks!
~ Kaatie
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Katana Seiko
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:51:00 -
[1616]
Edited by: Katana Seiko on 06/12/2007 23:53:31
Umm... Thanks for the notice ingame. It was extremely annoying to click that away for the 1000th time... But don't you think that by now either everyone restarted the computer or took notice of that issue? I mean, how much more can you do?
Funny thing however that Vista seems to be running that client better than XP... That and the fact that noone noticed that issue before it went life makes me think that seemingly noone at CCP relies on that ancient XP and rather uses Windows Vista...
By the way: Vista will become one year old in 7 weeks - if I think back to moving from Win2k to XP - noone wanted Win2k anymore after half that time! And come on - don't tell me you don't have 150$ for Vista Ultimate or even 80$ for home premium... Come on - Vista is made from a SERVER version of Windows. It's even more safe than OS X Leopard!
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:52:00 -
[1617]
Originally by: Gibboviper2
can i delete the whole package without losing my pc? Ive just upgraded the patch and it says do not reboot. im thinking im in the **** . this is my work pc and i have memos and documents on this relating to very important stuff. what the hell is going on. If i reboot i lose my freaking pc? Either way my reputation is on the line big time and this is just not on. Can i delete the whole freaking game and get rid of it and then reboot? i have no idea about tech stuff. i do not expect this ever from a freaking game and im cancelling subscribtion now. what a load of Bs this is and i certainly do not need this right now. im talking to a lawyer tomorrow if i lose this pc.
So, um, I have this beach front property in arizona that would just be perfect for you...
Okay, joking aside, I'll surpress my inner BOFH so I don't laugh at your windows naivety as this is like expecting everything you purchase to never break or fail ever until the end of time, so I'll offer this suggestion.
BACK UP YOUR FILES TO A USB KEY OR CD and then reboot. Your computer isn't 'trashed' even if you are affected. It is just windows that won't run because of a simple text file. You could also look up the problem in the links posted by the original poster to prepare yourself for the worst.
And technically if the problem happened to you, removing the game won't help. You can actually check if your boot.ini is still intact by going start->run, type in CMD, and then type CD\ and then type TYPE BOOT.INI. If you see some text, you're good to reboot. If nothing happens besides giving you a prompt, your affected.
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:55:00 -
[1618]
Originally by: Wayez
Originally by: Minmatar Citizen128
Well im 'f-ed'. On a lab comp with computer down right at the end of my senior semester of university... My windows CD is no where to be found... I am fuxed, any suggestions besides repurchasing windows CD? needs to be a relatively fast fix as i got stuff due in the next couple days...
thanks
Find a mate with another windows machine.
Take your harddrive out, piggy back your harddrive as a slave on your mates machine, and replace the ini file.
There you have it, one repaired drive.
I'll not go into the way XP tags drives.
But doing that can sometimes end up with XP altering the MBR and trying to force things through that arent nice.
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Abyss Guardian
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Posted - 2007.12.06 23:57:00 -
[1619]
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:03:00 -
[1620]
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Originally by: RampageSR
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Not to defend Micro$oft, but they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform, maybe that's why there's not a boot.ini to delete or overwrite. Before you point fingers ask yourself...Did I do everything I could to prevent a disaster from happening?
Doesn't having all the latest security patches for Windows XP constitute being up to date on the latest prevention of such disasters? Oh, and Windows Vista is a joke in itself. When I used a Vista system, it gets quite annoying to click through tons of pop ups asking if you're sure you want to run something.
That's called security...make sure you know what's going on instead of just running in the background with no knowledge.
No, its called CYA (cover your ass). That way Microsoft can claim people who are hit with spyware/malware did it to themselves when they keep clicking yes to all the popups that come up from even trying to copy files from one place to the other. It is has about all the expectation of people actually reading and retaining all the information in the Vista software licensing agreement. And you'll be amazed at the amount of responsibility they thrust upon the user.
Oh, lets not forget you can get around this 'security' feature by renaming the file from an exe file to any other name. Genius, huh?
Well just to end this little disagreement - If you had Vista you would not have this problem.....PERIOD.
True, but if I drilled a hole in my head, I could touch my brain too but I'm not going to do it. This is what I'd have to have to consider running Vista on a machine (except maybe a Macbook Pro which has been proven to outperform any other notebook for Vista performance). There is a reason why response in June 2006 went from 53% of business saying they would upgrade to Vista to 87% saying they will NOT upgrade to it a short while after it came out. UAC is something no self respecting IT professional wants and the reason why a large percentage of users do NOT want Vista. And you do know they are going to reduce most of those 'security' popups in Vista's SP1, right?
Oh, and on another note, I'd also not have this problem if I had a Mac or was running Linux too. Although it is not like no NT version of windows ever had this boot.ini before.
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Abyss Guardian
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:04:00 -
[1621]
my computer rebooted right after i downloaded the classictopremuim.. no WTF do i do?
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:06:00 -
[1622]
Originally by: CCP Lingorm
OK to make things Clearer follow the following steps.
ASSUME THAT YOU HAVE BEEN EFFECTED BY THIS.
Now answer the following Questions.
Am I running Windows Vista? Yes - I am not affected.
Am I running Linux or OSX(Mac)? Yes - I am not affected.
Am I running Classic Client? Yes - I am not affected.
Did I install from the Premium Full Installer? Yes - I am not affected.
Is my copy of EVE is on a different Drive (for example d:\) to Windows (for example c:\)? Yes - I am not affected.
I answered NO to all of the above. What do I do now?
Please see the First Post in this thread for instructions. It will be updated with all instructions to solve this problem.
Quoting this so it is seen by people who are at this level of the topic and ignoring the first page.
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Mini Mizer
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:07:00 -
[1623]
ok yeah you removed my boot.ini from c:\windows um but should we go ahead and remove the boot.ini from the eve folder or does it really matter :)?
and for the vista fan crowd, im glad you have it, you can keep it. vista is not ever going to be a solution. you just got "lucky" this time.
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:07:00 -
[1624]
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Originally by: RampageSR
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Not to defend Micro$oft, but they did advertise that Vista was a more secure platform, maybe that's why there's not a boot.ini to delete or overwrite. Before you point fingers ask yourself...Did I do everything I could to prevent a disaster from happening?
Doesn't having all the latest security patches for Windows XP constitute being up to date on the latest prevention of such disasters? Oh, and Windows Vista is a joke in itself. When I used a Vista system, it gets quite annoying to click through tons of pop ups asking if you're sure you want to run something.
That's called security...make sure you know what's going on instead of just running in the background with no knowledge.
No, its called CYA (cover your ass). That way Microsoft can claim people who are hit with spyware/malware did it to themselves when they keep clicking yes to all the popups that come up from even trying to copy files from one place to the other. It is has about all the expectation of people actually reading and retaining all the information in the Vista software licensing agreement. And you'll be amazed at the amount of responsibility they thrust upon the user.
Oh, lets not forget you can get around this 'security' feature by renaming the file from an exe file to any other name. Genius, huh?
Well just to end this little disagreement - If you had Vista you would not have this problem.....PERIOD.
So... CCP is not guilty simply because we didn't bother to spend $200+ on a new OS that is still not completely proven, and despite the fact that Eve specifically states that Eve and the high quality pack supports Windows XP? Boot.ini deletion is generally a fairly minor problem, but still, I think if CCP claims software is compatible with an OS, it shouldn't DAMAGE said OS, nevermind the fact that a person can't honestly expect a legitimate piece of software from a legitimate company to do something like this. Yes yes, keeping your OS up to date is an important part of maintenance, but you can't honestly blame the user for something like this. Seems more like thinly veiled gloating, about the fact that you have a shiny new OS that wasn't affected.
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Caldari
Dawn of Chaos
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:09:00 -
[1625]
Oh, the sheer joy this patch has brought me.
I have had to reinstall XP:MCE on one of the computers in our household and was able to fix the other two with some tricks in this thread. Still, I do not understand how CCP allowed this to happen.
I want to know this from CCP and I want to know it right now. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE THIS RIGHT?
Will you reimburse us either by a few months subscription or by a billion or so ISK? I lost gigabytes of data to this failure on your part. I'm not super 'computer savvy' as some of the elitists in this group. This should never have happened. Period.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:09:00 -
[1626]
Originally by: Brown Star
d00d, u owe me a new keyboard...
...and i want compensation for the burning sensation caused by coffee spraying out my nose...
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LogixCraft
Gallente
Insidious Existence
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:10:00 -
[1627]
Originally by: darthkalo
Originally by: LogixCraft
I downloaded the content last night, booted up eve to see the graphics were kinda messed up even though I support them(Looks like a depth buffer problem). Thought "meh" I'll deal with it tommorow and shutdown for the night, got up this morning ready to tackle the graphics problem (thought I could use a driver update) to find lo' and behold, XP has been royally @$@#!% up. I'm at work now, but even when I tried the recovery via windows disk, it turns out my User with admin access isn't the admin, and since i haven't logged onto the "real" admin account since I got the computer I'm seriously screwed. Not fun when it resets after trying to input the wrong password 3 times in a row.
I'm going to try and tackle this once I get home again, and if I need to repartition I'm going to be ****ed.
*sigh* Well I do say thank you to CCP for their efforts, but I wish (not going to happen) we can get some sort of reimburstment/apology from CCP for those of us effected.
Wish me luck, with my graphics and the future of C drive.
If you are trying to log in thru the recovery console and you have never set administrator password, just press enter when prompted(empty password).
I already tried this and it didn't work. Knowing me it's some insanely long password for reasons I don't know...I would use a password recovery program but the recovery console resets after 3 password attempts.
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:10:00 -
[1628]
Originally by: Tyler Rainez
Well just to end this little disagreement - If you had Vista you would not have this problem.....PERIOD.
Hmmm, let me fix that for you...
If CCP did not use the name of an important system file such as boot.ini no one would have this problem.....PERIOD.
There, fixed.
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implanted
Caldari
THEM.
Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:10:00 -
[1629]
Edited by: implanted on 07/12/2007 00:17:30
heres an easy way to fix boot.ini prob....go here ->
http://pcsupport.about.com/od/fixtheproblem/ht/repairbootini.htm
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:12:00 -
[1630]
Originally by: Abyss Guardian
my computer rebooted right after i downloaded the classictopremuim.. no WTF do i do?
Well, the fact that you posted this proves that your PC wasn't borked. XP SP2 has a sa***aurd in place that uses a back-up version of boot.ini, though you'll still want to replace the file. The windows default boot.ini shown in the first post should be sufficient.
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Ontaku Oroa
Minmatar
Masuat'aa Matari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:12:00 -
[1631]
Usually most games have a clause in their EULA which states that the developer is not responsible for eventual damages which may occur to your computer through use of the product.
It's an old clause that got written precisely because you never can tell what will go wrong when you throw a piece of software into the myriad configurations that the PC is capable of.
So yeah... anyway, what I don't get is the people who don't keep backup of their important data, especially on their work PC's. Makes about as much sense as writing an Office Word document for five hours without saving once. Then there's a power outage and consequent screaming.
Rule of thumb in the computer world is - know what you are doing. If you don't know what you are doing, then at least do it on a machine which you don't mind wiping clean from time to time.
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Innsu
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:12:00 -
[1632]
I have to say i am not impressed, spent several hours tonight getting my PC to work ! ! !
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Abyss Guardian
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:13:00 -
[1633]
is it possible that your computer will work evan with this file missing for my computers, runs on xp and still continues to wor kand play eve online.... thank you god you basturd@
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Ph'koveh
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:13:00 -
[1634]
Originally by: Price Watcher
...
1.MORAL. If I break it I pay for it. This is a moral position and is absolute.
...<other lolz snipped>
By far, the FUNNIEST post in this entire thread!
To CCP: Oops. Hope it works out.
To those trying to help: Kudos! Good on ya!
To those whose got hit: Sorry, sucks to be you!
To the trolls and whiners: STFU and get out of the way!
To those threatening to sue: ROFLMAO! Good luck with that!
To those who are going to leave the game: Can I have ur stuff?!
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:14:00 -
[1635]
Originally by: mishkof
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Demarcus
I feel bad for CCP, this has the smell of pending lawsuits.
Impending frivolous lawsuits. This isn't the first time by far that something like this has happened in the gaming industry. They acted promptly and such situations are covered in the EULA that everyone has agreed to. If people are thinking about causing completely unnecessary trouble, they might as well save themselves the time, they don't have a legal leg to stand on.
Examples? Please post them or STFU.
I would like to compare the customer service from previous incidences such as these.
You mean like the Microsoft update for Vista that passed through the several corporate company's WSUS servers and installed automatically on several thousand corporate PCs (for the uninformed, WSUS is supposed to notify of the update and then ask if you want to allow it through to the network or not)and dragging them down to a snail's pace and needing to reformat them to remove the update? Gee, nope, can't think of one example.
Several of the administrators affected that posted about it blamed themselves for introducing Vista to their network. Poor buggers.
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:16:00 -
[1636]
Originally by: Ph'koveh
To the trolls and whiners: STFU and get out of the way!
STFU and get out of the way!
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:16:00 -
[1637]
Originally by: Innsu
I have to say i am not impressed, spent several hours tonight getting my PC to work ! ! !
Really? I've been using windows since it came out and in the past when the problem happened (on NT, W2K and XP), it took me about 10 minutes. Then I became experienced and it takes more like 5. I also type 80 WPM so creating the file is pretty quick for me.
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Tyler Rainez
Gallente
Fallen Kings Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:16:00 -
[1638]
Well just to end this little disagreement - If you had Vista you would not have this problem.....PERIOD.
So... CCP is not guilty simply because we didn't bother to spend $200+ on a new OS that is still not completely proven, and despite the fact that Eve specifically states that Eve and the high quality pack supports Windows XP? Boot.ini deletion is generally a fairly minor problem, but still, I think if CCP claims software is compatible with an OS, it shouldn't DAMAGE said OS, nevermind the fact that a person can't honestly expect a legitimate piece of software from a legitimate company to do something like this. Yes yes, keeping your OS up to date is an important part of maintenance, but you can't honestly blame the user for something like this. Seems more like thinly veiled gloating, about the fact that you have a shiny new OS that wasn't affected.
No, by all means, but CCP is made up of human beings, which WILL make mistakes, and I applaud thier efforts in advising of THIER mistake, pulling down the patch, and setting up help lines to assist those with problems. But i figure if you don't pay for EVE for 3 months, then you could have Vista, which BTW I'm no fan of M$, I would buy an apple if all my apps worked with it...remember EVE didn't work with Linux or Apple till' a couple weeks ago.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:16:00 -
[1639]
Originally by: LogixCraft
Originally by: darthkalo
Originally by: LogixCraft
I downloaded the content last night, booted up eve to see the graphics were kinda messed up even though I support them(Looks like a depth buffer problem). Thought "meh" I'll deal with it tommorow and shutdown for the night, got up this morning ready to tackle the graphics problem (thought I could use a driver update) to find lo' and behold, XP has been royally @$@#!% up. I'm at work now, but even when I tried the recovery via windows disk, it turns out my User with admin access isn't the admin, and since i haven't logged onto the "real" admin account since I got the computer I'm seriously screwed. Not fun when it resets after trying to input the wrong password 3 times in a row.
I'm going to try and tackle this once I get home again, and if I need to repartition I'm going to be ****ed.
*sigh* Well I do say thank you to CCP for their efforts, but I wish (not going to happen) we can get some sort of reimburstment/apology from CCP for those of us effected.
Wish me luck, with my graphics and the future of C drive.
If you are trying to log in thru the recovery console and you have never set administrator password, just press enter when prompted(empty password).
I already tried this and it didn't work. Knowing me it's some insanely long password for reasons I don't know...I would use a password recovery program but the recovery console resets after 3 password attempts.
Download "hiren's boot cd" from a torrent site or other location. Then boot with it and use the NTPWD tool to reset the administrator password.
ONLY do that if you havent used file encryption for your files/folders. Usually you havent...
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:21:00 -
[1640]
Originally by: Mini Mizer
Edited by: Mini Mizer on 07/12/2007 00:08:14
ok yeah you removed my boot.ini from c:\ um but should we go ahead and remove the boot.ini from the eve folder or does it really matter :)?
and for the vista fan crowd, im glad you have it, you can keep it. vista is not ever going to be a solution. you just got "lucky" this time.
This is like people who are pleased with themselves because they are immune to XP patch problems when they are running Windows 98. Hah.
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Synis
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:22:00 -
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Just a quick comment. It is absolutely shocking that there are people on these forums that are either directly or indirectly blaming the players for this incredible CCP screw-up.
"You should have upgraded to vista!"
"It is a simple fix!"
"It was really Microsofts fault!"
Amazing.... Never in my long history of gaming have I ever witnessed such fanboi zealotry.
Hey, I like Eve a lot. I am not "hating" on CCP, either. I am far more angry with the people blaming the victims here on the forums than CCP. Nonetheless, the blame for this issue lies 100% with CCP. You hear that, fanbois? There is NO justification AT ALL for such a massive coding issue to get through QA. EVER. Under ANY circumstances. How can you fanbois downplay this as if it is minor bug? This issue is going to cost people money out of their own pockets. If you are going to have a file named the same thing as a MAJOR OS system file you better damn well double check, triple check and then check again to make sure you've got your code pointing at the right directory.
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parrowdox
Caldari
Vitai Lampada
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:22:00 -
[1642]
i can boot but whe ni turn on it says inavlid boot.ini the loads up login box? whts wrong with my comp, why am i half borked? how can i fix do i follow usual boot.ini procedures????
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Selamar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:23:00 -
[1643]
Great discussion. Truly awesome.
My summary:
Microsoft - Fail because they put up some cones around the boot.ini file instead of a full-on roadbloack
CCP - Fail because they drove through the cones straight into the boot.ini file
There. Everyone's to blame.
CCP picked up on the fault fairly quickly and communicated effectively to the users (maybe too effectively - seemed to get a pop-up every 10 mins in game!). Because of the warning I received when I installed, I was able to rectify the fault easily. Yes, there could have been somewhat catastrophic results for some, but the instructions were clear enough.
Regardless, disaster was avoided, it doesn't affect everyone and the patch has spruced up my graphics.
I'm happy, despite the close call.
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Guru
Woopatang
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:23:00 -
[1644]
I asked this question earlier after reading through the first 30-40 pages..lol I have my recovery disk from dell.. I have changed the boot order.. I put in the disk and I get no boot device available... or I get the same boot.ini missing..etc..etc.. message depending on if I disable the hard drive and only leave the cd drives enabled..(just trying different things as I am running out of things to try...lol) I have tried the dell recovery(which came with my computer) a gateway recover I had laying around.. and a windows professional disk I had laying around.. getting desperate as you can tell. I am guessing my cd drives arent initiating. I do see the light turn green for a few seconds when I put in the disk but nothing happens.. Any ideas? Anyone?!
Mind Over Matter: If I dont mind it dont matter.
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Red Panda
VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:24:00 -
[1645]
Edited by: Red Panda on 07/12/2007 00:26:49
For people that cant boot their PCs because they have already shutdown it AND they dont have a windows xp CD, there is a solution. A bit complex tough.
Its uninstall the Hard drive from your computer, and install it on another one that is not damaged. After a correct installation procedure (depending of your HD model and the temporary host specifications), you should be able to see your HD on the new computer. (generally E: disk)
All you have to do is to put a new boot.ini on your HD root directory. One of the possible sources could be in "E:\windows\pss" its name "boot.ini.backup".
Just copy this one on the desktop rename it to boot.ini and put it on e:\
Reinstall your HD on your own computer system, and boot.
I will leave true tech ppl put some details to this. As I am not enough proficient in this for explain besides the fact that there are some standardized procedures to do this.
I manage a cyber cafe and 10 computers got the problem I used this method. The computers have a restore partition and no CD of windows XP. My only choice was to use a clean computer.
One of my employees got the problem already Sunday or Monday. But at that moment we didnt saw it was related to eve (the Sisi version of eve). The computer reboot being hours later.
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:30:00 -
[1646]
Originally by: Synis
Just a quick comment. It is absolutely shocking that there are people on these forums that are either directly or indirectly blaming the players for this incredible CCP screw-up.
"You should have upgraded to vista!"
"It is a simple fix!"
"It was really Microsofts fault!"
Amazing.... Never in my long history of gaming have I ever witnessed such fanboi zealotry.
Hey, I like Eve a lot. I am not "hating" on CCP, either. I am far more angry with the people blaming the victims here on the forums than CCP. Nonetheless, the blame for this issue lies 100% with CCP. You hear that, fanbois? There is NO justification AT ALL for such a massive coding issue to get through QA. EVER. Under ANY circumstances. How can you fanbois downplay this as if it is minor bug? This issue is going to cost people money out of their own pockets. If you are going to have a file named the same thing as a MAJOR OS system file you better damn well double check, triple check and then check again to make sure you've got your code pointing at the right directory.
F'ing signed.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:30:00 -
[1647]
Originally by: Zanmaru
So... CCP is not guilty simply because we didn't bother to spend $200+ on a new OS that is still not completely proven, and despite the fact that Eve specifically states that Eve and the high quality pack supports Windows XP? Boot.ini deletion is generally a fairly minor problem, but still, I think if CCP claims software is compatible with an OS, it shouldn't DAMAGE said OS, nevermind the fact that a person can't honestly expect a legitimate piece of software from a legitimate company to do something like this. Yes yes, keeping your OS up to date is an important part of maintenance, but you can't honestly blame the user for something like this. Seems more like thinly veiled gloating, about the fact that you have a shiny new OS that wasn't affected.
I'm sorry but I just have to respond to this too.
Don't ALL software companies claim that and yet it does happen to damage the OS? I'll try not to further mention that updating your machine has been known in the past to do this to your machine. Oh wait, I mentioned it.
I myself don't blame the user. However, what I fault them for is being so naive that thinking their windows system will never have a problem. This kind of thing DOES happen. Just because it happened due to a glitch in the software that CCP made (that did not affect everyone might I add) is unfortunate but it also can happen every time you turn your computer on which most people falsely believe will not happen. If it didn't, I'd be out of a job, and so would a few million tech support people.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:31:00 -
[1648]
LOL
good going CCP
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:31:00 -
[1649]
Edited by: Mourn Navarre on 07/12/2007 00:32:27
Originally by: Guru
I asked this question earlier after reading through the first 30-40 pages..lol I have my recovery disk from dell.. I have changed the boot order.. I put in the disk and I get no boot device available... or I get the same boot.ini missing..etc..etc.. message depending on if I disable the hard drive and only leave the cd drives enabled..(just trying different things as I am running out of things to try...lol) I have tried the dell recovery(which came with my computer) a gateway recover I had laying around.. and a windows professional disk I had laying around.. getting desperate as you can tell. I am guessing my cd drives arent initiating. I do see the light turn green for a few seconds when I put in the disk but nothing happens.. Any ideas? Anyone?!
Yes, your system is not set to boot from the CD. I am not sure what key you'll have to press to get into BIOS to change the boot order though. I'm thinking F1, F2 or F10 when the machine starts powering up.
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WTF Tbone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:32:00 -
[1650]
Ok, I'm new to EVE (shocking I know) but really WTF. We're not talking about the game having a glitch. We are talking about a program patch install that F'ed with a Boot ini file. Now I'm no genius, but I do work in software. Who QA'd the install...oh wait they didn't.
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mishkof
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:33:00 -
[1651]
Edited by: mishkof on 07/12/2007 00:35:30
I have another way that I juyst confirmed worked without a boot up CD.
All it required is 15$, the boot file, and access to another computer for 2 minutes.
you will need a USB 2.0 to IDE/SATA adapter kit. I used A product made by Bytecc
Take out your hard drive hook it to the USB converter then plug it into another computer. Take the new Boot file and drop it directly into your system files folder.
If anyone has any other quyestions about this method Mesage me in game. No software knowlegde needed, juyst the ability to remove your hard drive, and the abilituy to plug in a USB device.
I own a T2 BPO and have a Capital alt. Please hate/troll/smack me.
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:34:00 -
[1652]
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru
So... CCP is not guilty simply because we didn't bother to spend $200+ on a new OS that is still not completely proven, and despite the fact that Eve specifically states that Eve and the high quality pack supports Windows XP? Boot.ini deletion is generally a fairly minor problem, but still, I think if CCP claims software is compatible with an OS, it shouldn't DAMAGE said OS, nevermind the fact that a person can't honestly expect a legitimate piece of software from a legitimate company to do something like this. Yes yes, keeping your OS up to date is an important part of maintenance, but you can't honestly blame the user for something like this. Seems more like thinly veiled gloating, about the fact that you have a shiny new OS that wasn't affected.
I'm sorry but I just have to respond to this too.
Don't ALL software companies claim that and yet it does happen to damage the OS? I'll try not to further mention that updating your machine has been known in the past to do this to your machine. Oh wait, I mentioned it.
I myself don't blame the user. However, what I fault them for is being so naive that thinking their windows system will never have a problem. This kind of thing DOES happen. Just because it happened due to a glitch in the software that CCP made (that did not affect everyone might I add) is unfortunate but it also can happen every time you turn your computer on which most people falsely believe will not happen. If it didn't, I'd be out of a job, and so would a few million tech support people.
Yeah, and I'm prepared for such an occurrence. That's not the point.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:34:00 -
[1653]
Originally by: WTF Tbone
Ok, I'm new to EVE (shocking I know) but really WTF. We're not talking about the game having a glitch. We are talking about a program patch install that F'ed with a Boot ini file. Now I'm no genius, but I do work in software. Who QA'd the install...oh wait they didn't.
Then as a software guy, you should also know there is a difference between testing something in a controlled lab and then putting it out to the real world where people run god knows what other software on the machine.
Also, not 100% of people were affected by this. I wasn't. But I also have the expertise to fix it in about 5-10 minutes too.
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Ixus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:35:00 -
[1654]
**** ME!!
Not played eve for 3months (busy) although have been paying subs, get an email telling me about shiny new patch. Install patch and luckily i read the "READ THIS THREAD BEFORE REBOOTING" thread ...
SERIOUSLY im one of the whiney ******* who whines every patch day about you fixing 2 bugs and releasing 30more .... but deleting my system files .... thats a WHOLE NEW LEVEL!! Infact ... isnt it illegal? Why dont you copy my personal files too and have them uploaded before deleting them from my computer.
MORONS
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Lezx Stab
Gallente
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:38:00 -
[1655]
Do you have a boot.ini for RAID support partitions ?
Now i can't use my computer. Can't use Windows CD
recorery mode because Window can't see my RAID Card
without a drive. Big problem is that driver comes on
a floppy on a floppy less box.
I am searching a way to FIX this issue without reformating my harddrive because of documents
I REALLY need to retrieve.
Now i Really know what CCP stands for:
CCP = Crappy Computer Programming
You ARE RESPONSABLE regardless of your EULA.
This is almost a ACT of Mass Sabotage almost in
the scope of a computer virus.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:42:00 -
[1656]
Originally by: Nerogk Shorn
I run EVE on a Bootcamped MacBook Pro. I installed, and restarted my computer, and windows will not start due to the lack of this boot.ini. It says <windows root>\system32\hal.dll is missing or corrupt.
How do i fix this for my computer? How do i get onto windows to make the boot.ini fixes?
What do I do....?
Don't worry about what windows says. Half the time, it isn't actually the problem anyway.
Since you are using windows via bootcamp, you should have your XP disks. So boot off them and choose the option to Repair an installation of windows. When you actually get to the prompt, type Edit Boot.ini
Then type in this into the screen that will come up:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
Save it then exit and then type attrib boot.ini +h +r +s and then reboot the system.
You could also just make a simple text file on your windows partition from your Mac OSX and put the same text into it I posted above and save the file as boot.ini. I'm not sure what it would do without setting the system file attribute with the attrib command like you would in the last command I mentioned in the windows recovery console fix. Anyone happen to know what happens? I never was actually one to NOT set the file that way. :) I can't imagine it hurting windows. At worst, it just wouldn't let windows start.
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Woopatang
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:43:00 -
[1657]
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Edited by: Mourn Navarre on 07/12/2007 00:32:27
Originally by: Guru
I asked this question earlier after reading through the first 30-40 pages..lol I have my recovery disk from dell.. I have changed the boot order.. I put in the disk and I get no boot device available... or I get the same boot.ini missing..etc..etc.. message depending on if I disable the hard drive and only leave the cd drives enabled..(just trying different things as I am running out of things to try...lol) I have tried the dell recovery(which came with my computer) a gateway recover I had laying around.. and a windows professional disk I had laying around.. getting desperate as you can tell. I am guessing my cd drives arent initiating. I do see the light turn green for a few seconds when I put in the disk but nothing happens.. Any ideas? Anyone?!
Yes, your system is not set to boot from the CD. I am not sure what key you'll have to press to get into BIOS to change the boot order though. I'm thinking F1, F2 or F10 when the machine starts powering up.
no i did set boot order.. no cards
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Dark Templars
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:43:00 -
[1658]
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: WTF Tbone
Ok, I'm new to EVE (shocking I know) but really WTF. We're not talking about the game having a glitch. We are talking about a program patch install that F'ed with a Boot ini file. Now I'm no genius, but I do work in software. Who QA'd the install...oh wait they didn't.
Then as a software guy, you should also know there is a difference between testing something in a controlled lab and then putting it out to the real world where people run god knows what other software on the machine.
Also, not 100% of people were affected by this. I wasn't. But I also have the expertise to fix it in about 5-10 minutes too.
Gods knows what??
Windows
hahahaha
yea, BOY, that sure sounds like a good defense lol
"We didnt know anyone would run Windows"
hahahahahaha
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Mourn Navarre
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:44:00 -
[1659]
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru
So... CCP is not guilty simply because we didn't bother to spend $200+ on a new OS that is still not completely proven, and despite the fact that Eve specifically states that Eve and the high quality pack supports Windows XP? Boot.ini deletion is generally a fairly minor problem, but still, I think if CCP claims software is compatible with an OS, it shouldn't DAMAGE said OS, nevermind the fact that a person can't honestly expect a legitimate piece of software from a legitimate company to do something like this. Yes yes, keeping your OS up to date is an important part of maintenance, but you can't honestly blame the user for something like this. Seems more like thinly veiled gloating, about the fact that you have a shiny new OS that wasn't affected.
I'm sorry but I just have to respond to this too.
Don't ALL software companies claim that and yet it does happen to damage the OS? I'll try not to further mention that updating your machine has been known in the past to do this to your machine. Oh wait, I mentioned it.
I myself don't blame the user. However, what I fault them for is being so naive that thinking their windows system will never have a problem. This kind of thing DOES happen. Just because it happened due to a glitch in the software that CCP made (that did not affect everyone might I add) is unfortunate but it also can happen every time you turn your computer on which most people falsely believe will not happen. If it didn't, I'd be out of a job, and so would a few million tech support people.
Yeah, and I'm prepared for such an occurrence. That's not the point.
So what IS your point? That ALL software should never damage windows ever?
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:46:00 -
[1660]
Originally by: Zandev
Gah, I've got a hosed Dell 9200 due to this bug. It's particularly annoying that I installed it well after they new about it (the background downloaded grabbed it for me over night). It's a shame that the start-up news didn't have a huge warning about this.
Anyway, I'm a bit stuck at the moment, as my XP recovery disks crash on boot-up.
I'll probably have to brave the NTFS support of a linux boot disk or similar.
Grr.
I may well cancel my account over this. I haven't been playing that much recently, and this may be the last straw.
Um, if your CDs crash your system, you must have other problems that you didn't even know about. My thinking flows towards a fault on your hard drive but hard to tell without knowing more about the crash.
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Bad Love
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:46:00 -
[1661]
this is what my file look like
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
is this right or do I need to make changes?
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Angelus Blackheart
Black Avatar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:50:00 -
[1662]
Originally by: Katana Seiko
Edited by: Katana Seiko on 06/12/2007 23:53:31
Umm... Thanks for the notice ingame. It was extremely annoying to click that away for the 1000th time... But don't you think that by now either everyone restarted the computer or took notice of that issue? I mean, how much more can you do?
Funny thing however that Vista seems to be running that client better than XP... That and the fact that noone noticed that issue before it went life makes me think that seemingly noone at CCP relies on that ancient XP and rather uses Windows Vista...
By the way: Vista will become one year old in 7 weeks - if I think back to moving from Win2k to XP - noone wanted Win2k anymore after half that time! And come on - don't tell me you don't have 150$ for Vista Ultimate or even 80$ for home premium... Come on - Vista is made from a SERVER version of Windows. It's even more safe than OS X Leopard!
So is x64 XP... so your point is?
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Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:51:00 -
[1663]
Alright, I'm a bit of a tard when it comes to these modifying "prepackaged files" but if you do in fact have the boot.ini file in a back up location and can copy it. make sure when you paste it to the desktop and rename to "boot.ini" and click enter, that it changes the name to just "boot".
I did this and when I renamed it, it still said "boot.ini" with info showing that it was a configuration settings file but searching for it still did not work. once i deleted the new file and renamed it making sure to get just "boot", and searched for it then, it gave me no error. Also, as someone mentioned earlier in this mile long thread, but in a different manner(msconfig), you need to right click the new "boot" file in your C:/ folder and click read-only and hidden, APPLY.
Should totally answer any questions for the unaware people, like myself, that took the copy/paste method.
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sralbaytar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:51:00 -
[1664]
So i went to:
run>msconfig a window opens, clicked boot.ini tab then clicked "check all boot paths" Didn't get an error message.
All it says is "It appears that all BOOT.INI lines for microsoft OS are ok." Does that mean I'm ok? can someone please confirm?
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Mourn Navarre
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:52:00 -
[1665]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Excido Charon
My question is this, and please take time to read this and reply:
Why the HELL were you guys modifying my BOOT.INI? What the hell does that have to do with a game?
/little ****ed
There is a file called boot.ini in eve apparently. The update attempts to remove it and replace it. Unfortunately, somewhere in the code, instead of boot.ini it reads /boot.ini or some such, wiping the boot.ini system file, rather than the game file.
I think I saw that before. It would explain ALOT.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:52:00 -
[1666]
Originally by: Angelus Blackheart
Originally by: Katana Seiko
Edited by: Katana Seiko on 06/12/2007 23:53:31
Umm... Thanks for the notice ingame. It was extremely annoying to click that away for the 1000th time... But don't you think that by now either everyone restarted the computer or took notice of that issue? I mean, how much more can you do?
Funny thing however that Vista seems to be running that client better than XP... That and the fact that noone noticed that issue before it went life makes me think that seemingly noone at CCP relies on that ancient XP and rather uses Windows Vista...
By the way: Vista will become one year old in 7 weeks - if I think back to moving from Win2k to XP - noone wanted Win2k anymore after half that time! And come on - don't tell me you don't have 150$ for Vista Ultimate or even 80$ for home premium... Come on - Vista is made from a SERVER version of Windows. It's even more safe than OS X Leopard!
So is x64 XP... so your point is?
So is every version of XP... we aren't comparing windows 98 here.
I use windows xp service pack 1... and I see no real reason to upgrade.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:52:00 -
[1667]
The point is that not everyone that games is good with computers. A LOT of ready built PC's will be effected by this.
It's a **** up by CCP, this should have been caught in bug testing, hell, this shouldn't have happened in the first place.
This is commercial software, people pay for it, they don't expect it to **** with there systems. If I released an update on the software I ran that had a similar effect? Man I don't even want to think about it. Luckily I'm not stupid enough to release code without checking it out extensively on the platforms that support it and having the general public check it before "official" release.
No matter how much you try and make out that it isn't a **** up, it is. A huge one for a professional company.
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:52:00 -
[1668]
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru
So... CCP is not guilty simply because we didn't bother to spend $200+ on a new OS that is still not completely proven, and despite the fact that Eve specifically states that Eve and the high quality pack supports Windows XP? Boot.ini deletion is generally a fairly minor problem, but still, I think if CCP claims software is compatible with an OS, it shouldn't DAMAGE said OS, nevermind the fact that a person can't honestly expect a legitimate piece of software from a legitimate company to do something like this. Yes yes, keeping your OS up to date is an important part of maintenance, but you can't honestly blame the user for something like this. Seems more like thinly veiled gloating, about the fact that you have a shiny new OS that wasn't affected.
I'm sorry but I just have to respond to this too.
Don't ALL software companies claim that and yet it does happen to damage the OS? I'll try not to further mention that updating your machine has been known in the past to do this to your machine. Oh wait, I mentioned it.
I myself don't blame the user. However, what I fault them for is being so naive that thinking their windows system will never have a problem. This kind of thing DOES happen. Just because it happened due to a glitch in the software that CCP made (that did not affect everyone might I add) is unfortunate but it also can happen every time you turn your computer on which most people falsely believe will not happen. If it didn't, I'd be out of a job, and so would a few million tech support people.
Yeah, and I'm prepared for such an occurrence. That's not the point.
So what IS your point? That ALL software should never damage windows ever?
What are you talking about? It depends on what you mean by "should". In a perfect world, it shouldn't, but we don't live in one. This is pointless banter. Sure, its certain to happen, but that doesn't change the fact that CCP caused this. Do you wait for devs to release problem software just so you can blame the users for not being prepared?
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:53:00 -
[1669]
the fix in the newsletter (and it's here too i guess, but...) worked well for me. the c:\windows\pss\backup.ini.backup thinger (and other instructions).
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:54:00 -
[1670]
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: mishkof
Originally by: Kordesh
Originally by: Demarcus
I feel bad for CCP, this has the smell of pending lawsuits.
Impending frivolous lawsuits. This isn't the first time by far that something like this has happened in the gaming industry. They acted promptly and such situations are covered in the EULA that everyone has agreed to. If people are thinking about causing completely unnecessary trouble, they might as well save themselves the time, they don't have a legal leg to stand on.
Examples? Please post them or STFU.
I would like to compare the customer service from previous incidences such as these.
Pool of Radiance. The initially pressed disks would cause the game to uninstall system files when the game was uninstalled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pool_of_radiance#Pool_of_Radiance:_Ruins_of_Myth_Drannor
Haha. I remember that one. Brilliant.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:55:00 -
[1671]
All i am going to say is WTF?!? I PAY for this? I can get my computer effed up for free, all i have to do is turn off my firewall. Thanks!
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Mourn Navarre
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:55:00 -
[1672]
Originally by: REALITY X
Okay, this is what I did:
I went to Control Panel, System, Advanced, Startup and Recovery Settings, System Startup and clicked on Edit and Notepad opened up with this info inside:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
Does this mean my computer will be okay to reboot? I'm semi-computer illiterate, but I'm trying. Thanks.
Yep. Good to go.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:57:00 -
[1673]
24 hours later after a reformat and re install, i am finally back online to discover that CCP was the cause of my problems, oh i am so glad i pay real money for this game, where else can you download a patch that F**** your pc up , thanks CCP you total ***** i am sure i sound really ****ed off... i wonder why... Bastar*** GRRRRR
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Mourn Navarre
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Posted - 2007.12.07 00:58:00 -
[1674]
Originally by: Hironashi
Trinity has destroyed my computer, BIOS cannot find the drive, nothing works that has been posted. I have lost all my contact information, I have been destroyed!
Thank You CCP
Dude. If BIOS can't find your drive, then you had other problems since BIOS doesn't care if you have a boot.ini file or not.
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Mourn Navarre
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:03:00 -
[1675]
Originally by: Jonak
I just got home and my PC booted and I got to the desktop. I've logged into Eve and everything seems fine. I have WinXP Pro with SP2. Everything seems fine.
I did the early Premium download. Should I be worried if everything is working fine?
Nope.
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ToFu Anakulit
Monkees Wasting Life Partnership
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:03:00 -
[1676]
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: REALITY X
Okay, this is what I did:
I went to Control Panel, System, Advanced, Startup and Recovery Settings, System Startup and clicked on Edit and Notepad opened up with this info inside:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
Does this mean my computer will be okay to reboot? I'm semi-computer illiterate, but I'm trying. Thanks.
Yep. Good to go.
I got this on edit:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
am I ok or am i suppose to remove something from the last line? And will that actually help?
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:03:00 -
[1677]
tll try again
Well i have this problem after i restarted my computer it will not detect my hard disk so i can not use any of this to restore my computer.
Don't know what to do now
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Huldradans
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:04:00 -
[1678]
Originally by: ToFu Anakulit
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: REALITY X
Okay, this is what I did:
I went to Control Panel, System, Advanced, Startup and Recovery Settings, System Startup and clicked on Edit and Notepad opened up with this info inside:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect
Does this mean my computer will be okay to reboot? I'm semi-computer illiterate, but I'm trying. Thanks.
Yep. Good to go.
I got this on edit:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
am I ok or am i suppose to remove something from the last line? And will that actually help?
You don't need to modify anything, you're good to go!
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:08:00 -
[1679]
Good news, I may have fixed my problem.... bad news, I may have lost my job and a client for the company. This happened at THE worst possible time. I guess that is what I get for putting a game on a company computer.
The problem I had is that the IT department had the physical media. Good luck peeps, and most likely good bye.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:09:00 -
[1680]
This is a great solution for all those people who didn't shut down their PC's last night but too late for everyone else.
Xp-64 might be a bit smarter than it's 32-bit cousin, at least mine was. When you boot if you see a message like "booting from C:/Windows" then the boot.ini is missing and you need to build a new copy, follow Microsoft's instruction. I got lucky my XP-64 wined a bit and booted (10 minute job to fix the boot.ini and reboot the system),if it hadn't booted or creating a new boot.ini had failed to fix the problem then that would have force a reinstall of Windows which would have been a 3 DAY job rebuilding the system.
Only morons give their software files the same names as IMPORTANT Windows system filenames, it's like calling a file autoexec.bat
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Mourn Navarre
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:09:00 -
[1681]
Originally by: Bad Love
this is what my file look like
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
is this right or do I need to make changes?
Nope. You look good to go. The problem is that the file went missing. Yours is there.
I'll try to hold back my supper at seeing you running XP Home though.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:11:00 -
[1682]
Originally by: Red Panda
Edited by: Red Panda on 07/12/2007 00:33:42
Edited by: Red Panda on 07/12/2007 00:29:53
Edited by: Red Panda on 07/12/2007 00:27:36
For people that cant boot their PCs because they have already shutdown it AND they dont have a windows xp CD, there is a solution. A bit complex tough.
Its uninstall the Hard drive from your computer, and install it on another one that is not damaged. After a correct installation procedure (depending of your HD model and the temporary host specifications), you should be able to see your HD on the new computer. (generally E: disk)
All you have to do is to put a new boot.ini on your HD root directory. One of the possible sources could be in "E:\windows\pss" its name "boot.ini.backup".
Just copy this one on the desktop rename it to boot.ini and put it on e:\ Put it on the same drive you found it, not on C:\ you would broke the boot.ini of your temporary host.
Reinstall your HD on your own computer system, and boot.
I will leave true tech ppl put some details to this. As I am not enough proficient in this for explain besides the fact that there are some standardized procedures to do this.
I manage a cyber cafe and 10 computers got the problem I used this method. The computers have a restore partition and no CD of windows XP. My only choice was to use a clean computer.
One of my employees got the problem on one computer already Sunday or Monday. But at that moment we didnt saw it was related to eve (the Sisi version of eve). The computer reboot being hours later.
PS: **** happens, nobody's perfect, not me, not you, not CCP. Murphy striked again. Live with it. No need to bash me, you, or CCP into oblivion.
Any more info on this im tried of the 50 pages of arguing help people or gtfo of this thread
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Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:19:00 -
[1683]
Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 07/12/2007 01:19:53
A thread that may help some x64 users:
boot.ini file on xp x64 computers?
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Taltus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:23:00 -
[1684]
50 man years on graphics, sweet..... 50 minutes on systems threats, bitter.
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Mourn Navarre
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:24:00 -
[1685]
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru
So... CCP is not guilty simply because we didn't bother to spend $200+ on a new OS that is still not completely proven, and despite the fact that Eve specifically states that Eve and the high quality pack supports Windows XP? Boot.ini deletion is generally a fairly minor problem, but still, I think if CCP claims software is compatible with an OS, it shouldn't DAMAGE said OS, nevermind the fact that a person can't honestly expect a legitimate piece of software from a legitimate company to do something like this. Yes yes, keeping your OS up to date is an important part of maintenance, but you can't honestly blame the user for something like this. Seems more like thinly veiled gloating, about the fact that you have a shiny new OS that wasn't affected.
I'm sorry but I just have to respond to this too.
Don't ALL software companies claim that and yet it does happen to damage the OS? I'll try not to further mention that updating your machine has been known in the past to do this to your machine. Oh wait, I mentioned it.
I myself don't blame the user. However, what I fault them for is being so naive that thinking their windows system will never have a problem. This kind of thing DOES happen. Just because it happened due to a glitch in the software that CCP made (that did not affect everyone might I add) is unfortunate but it also can happen every time you turn your computer on which most people falsely believe will not happen. If it didn't, I'd be out of a job, and so would a few million tech support people.
Yeah, and I'm prepared for such an occurrence. That's not the point.
So what IS your point? That ALL software should never damage windows ever?
What are you talking about? It depends on what you mean by "should". In a perfect world, it shouldn't, but we don't live in one. This is pointless banter. Sure, its certain to happen, but that doesn't change the fact that CCP caused this. Do you wait for devs to release problem software just so you can blame the users for not being prepared?
Nope. But like you yourself just stated, it isn't a perfect world and what happens in a controlled test lab environment doesn't account for what could happen in the real world. So it is technically possible that is why QA didn't notice it and why not 100% of the eve player base who downloaded the patch during the affected time frame (myself included) had it happen to them. What I am saying is that I would hope is that people be wise enough to be prepared for the worst happening because the largest portion of people that are upset is because they are claiming they lost everything when they had to reinstall (although some OEM recovery disks/partitions will let you do a non-destructive recovery leaving their personal files intact).
Personally, I format my laptop every 6 months or so to clear off all the junk left behind by software I've removed that may or may not interfere with other things. But I expect software problems to happen. That is how I prevent it from happening.
I'm not saying CCP is absolved or blameless. Making one of their files the same name as a system file is a bit ******** to say the least. But it wouldn't be the first time a software company (microsoft, norton, etc) released a buggy update that affected a computer in such a way that it needed to be reinstalled completely. I just fail to see the reason people complain over something that could have happened anyway and screaming at CCP despite their best efforts to placate their users who are so mad at being inconvienced (and that is what it is because if you have other problems, your computer had problems you didn't know of until now) that they can't appreciate CCP's efforts for trying to solve the problem. Good luck getting Norton or any other software company to help you fix a Windows issue even if they caused it.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:25:00 -
[1686]
Originally by: Mortania
I did a cursory search through the thread and didn't find this mentioned, so here goes...
If you have SATA hard drives, your XP CD (or 98 bootdisk) will NOT recognize the hard drive until you go into the bios and turn off AHCI mode for the SATA configuration.
Then you can follow the MS instructions on how to rebuild your boot.ini with bootcfg.
After you're finished with the CD you can go back into your bios and re-enable the ACHI mode.
I had this problem, all fixed now. Thank you so much! Almost panicked that my HDD got fried.
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DvlDwg
Gallente
Metal Marines
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:27:00 -
[1687]
CCP dosn't have a freaking QA department? How the hell do you miss something like this. I spent most of my evening unscrewing this.
Jerks.
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Pure.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:27:00 -
[1688]
Ok for those of us who are NOT good with computers here is a very simple way too fix this that even those most computer illiterate person like myself can do.
Keep in mind if u have ALREADY rebooted this will not work.
First check too see if u are affected by this. Do this by:
Start Menu --> Run
When the window comes up type "cmd" to open a command window
In the command window type "cd \" and hit enter
Then "attrib" and hit enter
This will show u all your hidden files.
If boot.ini is in there then you do not have a problem
If it not then you gotta do the following
Start Menu --> All Programs --> Accessories --> System Tools --> System Restore
Choose restore too an earlier time and hit next.
I restored too Dec 4.
Keep in mind you will NOT lose any programs only system settings will be affected so when you are done you will still have eve trinity and presumably everything else. Once the system is restored a window will pop up it may say nothing was changed "did for me" but i did get my boot.ini file back
Check too make sure you have the boot.ini file now. Use this process again
Start Menu --> Run
When the window comes up type "cmd" to open a command window
In the command window type "cd \" and hit enter
Then "attrib" and hit enter
This will show u all your hidden files.
This is easy too do and should solve your problem without losing anything. If this confuses you convo me ingame and i will explain it too you better.
For those of you that already rebooted and are now locked out of windows i do not know what you should do.
Hope this helps
Major Hill
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:32:00 -
[1689]
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Nope. But like you yourself just stated, it isn't a perfect world and what happens in a controlled test lab environment doesn't account for what could happen in the real world. So it is technically possible that is why QA didn't notice it and why not 100% of the eve player base who downloaded the patch during the affected time frame (myself included) had it happen to them. What I am saying is that I would hope is that people be wise enough to be prepared for the worst happening because the largest portion of people that are upset is because they are claiming they lost everything when they had to reinstall (although some OEM recovery disks/partitions will let you do a non-destructive recovery leaving their personal files intact).
Personally, I format my laptop every 6 months or so to clear off all the junk left behind by software I've removed that may or may not interfere with other things. But I expect software problems to happen. That is how I prevent it from happening.
I'm not saying CCP is absolved or blameless. Making one of their files the same name as a system file is a bit ******** to say the least. But it wouldn't be the first time a software company (microsoft, norton, etc) released a buggy update that affected a computer in such a way that it needed to be reinstalled completely. I just fail to see the reason people complain over something that could have happened anyway and screaming at CCP despite their best efforts to placate their users who are so mad at being inconvienced (and that is what it is because if you have other problems, your computer had problems you didn't know of until now) that they can't appreciate CCP's efforts for trying to solve the problem. Good luck getting Norton or any other software company to help you fix a Windows issue even if they caused it.
And you just assume I'm denying all that just because I'm a little disappointed in CCP and sympathize with those affected? I generally agree with what you just said, save your arguments for someone else.
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a pattern so grand and complex.
Time after time we lose sight of the way,
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Omega Bloodstone
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:34:00 -
[1690]
Edited by: Omega Bloodstone on 07/12/2007 01:36:06
Originally by: FireMonk
BTW i thought i might make it known that i had my boot.ini file deleted then had my computer restarted (my PC suffers from chronic BLUE SCREENS OF DEATH. no idea how to fix em). But yeah, even though i've restarted 7 times since, still boots... still havent found out why it still boots either...
with XP, if system restore was turned on, it might boot in last known good config, but will likely give you a quick boot.ini error at beginning of boot...i may be wrong
Edit: the boot.ini still needs to be replaced though
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:36:00 -
[1691]
Originally by: Zanmaru
And you just assume I'm denying all that just because I'm a little disappointed in CCP and sympathize with those affected? I generally agree with what you just said, save your arguments for someone else.
Sorry. It sounded like what you were originally saying in your first post is that software installed on Windows doesn't do what happened.
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:37:00 -
[1692]
Originally by: Omega Bloodstone
Originally by: FireMonk
BTW i thought i might make it known that i had my boot.ini file deleted then had my computer restarted (my PC suffers from chronic BLUE SCREENS OF DEATH. no idea how to fix em). But yeah, even though i've restarted 7 times since, still boots... still havent found out why it still boots either...
with XP, if system restore was turned on, it might boot in last known good config, but will likely give you a quick boot.ini error at beginning of boot...i may be wrong
I am pretty sure you are. Last known config will save you from a registry issue. This is a removal of a hidden system file.
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deadlydog5
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:37:00 -
[1693]
got the computer repair man to come anyone want to explain why my entire C: drive is gone and i cant reboot?
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:39:00 -
[1694]
Originally by: deadlydog5
got the computer repair man to come anyone want to explain why my entire C: drive is gone and i cant reboot?
your drive isnt gone, Dont let the computer repair man say it is...
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:40:00 -
[1695]
Originally by: Mortania
I did a cursory search through the thread and didn't find this mentioned, so here goes...
If you have SATA hard drives, your XP CD (or 98 bootdisk) will NOT recognize the hard drive until you go into the bios and turn off AHCI mode for the SATA configuration.
Then you can follow the MS instructions on how to rebuild your boot.ini with bootcfg.
After you're finished with the CD you can go back into your bios and re-enable the ACHI mode.
Ooo. Good point. Lots of HPs and IBMs had this issue.
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wyggles
Caldari
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:41:00 -
[1696]
Holy cr*p, 68 pages already...
It was a mistake, a big mistake, but a mistake. I was affected, had to do a system restore, the only things that remained were my programs, of which only some work. But really i blame my friend who reminded me to update my video card drivers. If i hadn't I wouldn't have rebooted my computer, and would've seen the warnings. But i'm not that mad, i wanted to buy a new computer anyway.
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:42:00 -
[1697]
Originally by: deadlydog5
got the computer repair man to come anyone want to explain why my entire C: drive is gone and i cant reboot?
If its gone the computer repair man must have taken it.
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Joensen
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:42:00 -
[1698]
Oh the joys of using a separate partition for the OS, a bit of organisation saved me a whole load of hassle.
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Ho HsienKo
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:45:00 -
[1699]
Was wondering why my puter was acting so wierd... have now "Created" a new Boot.ini and hopefully I did it correctly. Guess the proof will be in the reboot?
With this file missing how did windows even start up?!! I would get wierd messages flashing on the screen before it did and strange things were happening... but windows fired up (XP Home edition)
The OS is on C and no Raid so I think I did it correctly.... I am almost afraid to restart the computer, some comforting words before I do?
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deadlydog5
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:46:00 -
[1700]
Edited by: deadlydog5 on 07/12/2007 01:46:22
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: deadlydog5
got the computer repair man to come anyone want to explain why my entire C: drive is deleted and i cant reboot?
your drive isnt gone, Dont let the computer repair man say it is...
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
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DeODokktor
Dark Templars
The Fonz Presidium
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:48:00 -
[1701]
Originally by: deadlydog5
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
Probably because he's trying to stick you with a large bill.
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CitzNo 097864
Rens 911
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:48:00 -
[1702]
EVE has offically ruined my life.
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Nina P
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:50:00 -
[1703]
Ok, to all you people who said that they should have caught this in the testing phase.
I don't disagree totally, but let's just look at the facts.
Lets just stick to XP for now and keep it really simple and use some very low estimations.
There are (to my knowledge) some 110 critical windows patches. Some of these are dependant on previous releases so it only ends up with about some 400 combinations.
There are a few different hardwardware manufacturers, but let's stick to intel and AMD for now (mobos aside), that doubles the nr of test rigs you need to set up to 800.
We now move on to regional settings (different countries), let's stick to the major ones (10 a good enough nr for ya?) 8000 different combinations so far (yes I know this is very dodgy but it's supposed to be easy to understand).
8000 combinations. Now let's install eve under a different directory 16.000 combinations. Lets use the premium client 32.000 combinations. And finally, let's implement two different installers 64.000 combinations.
It takes about 5 restarts to install any of these combinations (on a clean computer) and a total of 2hrs work time for each. 2hrs times 64.000 = 128.000 hrs wich is about 14 man years of testing.
Now all these figures are quite "low" and there are alot more than 64.000 "uniqe" winXP setups out there. Not to mention win2000.
summary: Testing EVERYTHING in a lab ain't cost efficent when your dealing with computers, they could hire more people to test, but then it'd cost more money for us users in the end.
I'm not saying they'r not to blame, I just get a bit ****ed on people complaining about the QA.
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Bozl1n
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:52:00 -
[1704]
Any1 conferm this is sorted yet? so if i d/l the patch now can i install it without any of this clusterfooookery?
And no i cant be bothered to read a 64 page thread to see if its fixed or not, i shouldnt have to.
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deadlydog5
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:53:00 -
[1705]
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: deadlydog5
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
Probably because he's trying to stick you with a large bill.
what are the odds of the C: drive being deleted?
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Admus
Hounds Of War
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:55:00 -
[1706]
Originally by: deadlydog5
what are the odds of the C: drive being deleted?
Approximately three thousand, seven hundred and eighty to one.
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Digicomm
The Digital Communists
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:55:00 -
[1707]
Originally by: Bozl1n
Any1 conferm this is sorted yet? so if i d/l the patch now can i install it without any of this clusterfooookery?
And no i cant be bothered to read a 64 page thread to see if its fixed or not, i shouldnt have to.
You must read all 64 pages soz.
sup?
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DvlDwg
Gallente
Metal Marines
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:56:00 -
[1708]
Originally by: deadlydog5
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: deadlydog5
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
Probably because he's trying to stick you with a large bill.
what are the odds of the C: drive being deleted?
You need to see the post above about your bios not being able to "see" a SATA drive unless you make some changes. Do you have a SATA drive? Where is he looking to say he can't "see" your C drive? In the bios?
There is no hunting like the hunting of man.. |
Bozl1n
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:56:00 -
[1709]
Edited by: Bozl1n on 07/12/2007 01:56:54
Originally by: Digicomm
Originally by: Bozl1n
Any1 conferm this is sorted yet? so if i d/l the patch now can i install it without any of this clusterfooookery?
And no i cant be bothered to read a 64 page thread to see if its fixed or not, i shouldnt have to.
You must read all 64 pages soz.
Thanks brav, that helps a bunch
Edit:Nice sig LMFAO
Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~ |
Creditz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 01:57:00 -
[1710]
Originally by: Tiberius Xavier
- Start notepad (from accessories)
- Open the file C:\boot.ini
- If this file is not empty, then STOP!
- If you have Windows XP Pro, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
else, if you have Windows XP Home, type:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home" /fastdetect
- If your OS partition (C Drive) is not the first disk, first parttion, then adjust the disk, rdisk, partition accordingly (see end of post)
- Save that as C:\boot.ini
- Change the properties of this file (right-click and select properties) and set 'read-only' and 'hidden' (may net be necessary, but I like to keep it read-only and hidden)
- Run the command (Start Menu->Run) msconfig
- Switch to the BOOT.INI tab, and click the button 'Check All Boot Paths'. If this works, you should be able to reboot safely.
I was concerned about RAID, however, I believe that the RAID driver is loaded prior to this BOOT.INI being read, and that the RAID array will be viewed as a logical device. I run RAID-0 Raptors, and this solution works for me.
If you don't know which version of windows you are running:
- Open the start menu
- Right-click My Computer
- Select Properties and the screen that comes should say in plain English.
If you don't know your partition, then best way to make sure you select the right drive in XP is to start diskmgmt.msc and see which partition is your 'C' drive.
- Type in diskmgmt.msc <enter>
- A new window titled 'Disk Management' and see which drive/partition it is under. Most likely, this is the first disk, first partition or multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1) in MSFT speak. If it is the second partition, then put '2'. This is a 1 based count (perhaps because the MBR is 0?)
What if you have windows xp media edtion service pack 2..what do you type in then? I have no clue what I am doing and i am very afraid that I might mess this up please respond with directions like above..I am not suer what to put in for the missing file.
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Bozl1n
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:02:00 -
[1711]
So this fixed or what? The current patch they uploading fixed or it still fubar?
Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~ |
DvlDwg
Gallente
Metal Marines
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:04:00 -
[1712]
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Zanmaru
Yeah, but this patch doesn't affect certain specific combinations. It effects everyone with XP and Eve installed on their main hard drive. I mean, its a line of code that deletes a vital windows file. Its not some obscure conflict like what a buggy windows update might cause, it deletes a system file.
No it doesn't
Just join this thread did you????
There is no hunting like the hunting of man.. |
Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:04:00 -
[1713]
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Zanmaru
Yeah, but this patch doesn't affect certain specific combinations. It effects everyone with XP and Eve installed on their main hard drive. I mean, its a line of code that deletes a vital windows file. Its not some obscure conflict like what a buggy windows update might cause, it deletes a system file.
No it doesn't
It deletes boot.ini in the root directory. From this link:
http://vlaurie.com/computers2/Articles/bootini.htm
"Boot.ini is one of the very first files that come into play when a Windows XP system is started up. It is a plain text file that is kept in the system root, so it is usually C:\boot.ini. Because it is an essential system file, the attributes are set to hidden, system, read-only to protect it. That means that it will not appear in the file lists in My Computer or Windows Explorer unless the default Windows settings are changed to show hidden files."
I have an image showing the patch deleting said file if you want.
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Wheels within wheels in a spiral array,
a pattern so grand and complex.
Time after time we lose sight of the way,
our causes can't see their effects. |
Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:06:00 -
[1714]
Originally by: Bozl1n
So this fixed or what? The current patch they uploading fixed or it still fubar?
Current patch is safe. If you've loaded Eve, you'd see that CCP is quiet aware of the problem.
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Wheels within wheels in a spiral array,
a pattern so grand and complex.
Time after time we lose sight of the way,
our causes can't see their effects. |
Bozl1n
Caldari
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:07:00 -
[1715]
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Bozl1n
So this fixed or what? The current patch they uploading fixed or it still fubar?
Current patch is safe. If you've loaded Eve, you'd see that CCP is quiet aware of the problem.
Nice1 mate
Thanks
Sig returned after a victory with the appeal \o/ ;)~ |
Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:08:00 -
[1716]
Edited by: Thargat on 07/12/2007 02:08:12
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
Khae
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:08:00 -
[1717]
Originally by: Bozl1n
So this fixed or what? The current patch they uploading fixed or it still fubar?
My understanding is that all current downloads are good.
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Tortun Nahme
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:09:00 -
[1718]
heh page 69
Originally by: Cecil Montague
They should change that warning on entering low sec to:
"Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:10:00 -
[1719]
Originally by: Tortun Nahme
heh page 69
I lol'd.
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a pattern so grand and complex.
Time after time we lose sight of the way,
our causes can't see their effects. |
Guru
Woopatang
The Red Skull
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:11:00 -
[1720]
I did finally get it working.. but let me tell you what I had to do just in case anyone may have the same issues.
First something happened that caused an issue with my primary cd drive. Had take off the case and switch the master and the slave around in order to get the disk to boot. Before I did this it would not boot no matter what.. no matter what boot sequence..etc. Then finally after getting recovery to work.. when trying to repair it was nonresponsive. I dug around my attic to find an old non-usb keyboard figuring maybe it wasnt recognizing my keyboard after it started loading recovery.. sure enough it was that. Now I spent endless hours messing around with this.
For those who say this is no big deal are smoking *****.. plain and simple. Im just lucky I knew enough about computers to get my piece of crap up and running again. I know of ALOT of people who would have never gotten this thing back up and running without paying a professional. Its not a whine.. a complaint.. just a fact. Get real!! CCP.. very dissapointed and very unprofessional. Your lucky you got such a good game..lol
Mind Over Matter: If I dont mind it dont matter.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:11:00 -
[1721]
posting in an epic thread on an even more epic page number
Originally by: Apertotes
tbh, boot.ini was overpowered and needed a nerf
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Nina P
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:13:00 -
[1722]
Originally by: DvlDwg
Just join this thread did you????
Nope, been at it since it started, I even ran som tests of my own. Fresh XP with no service packs, service pack 1 or windows systems without the "genuine microsoft product advantage" patch seems to be affected, as well as one of the tried SP2 installations (dodgy mobo on that one though) that I haven't figured out the odd setup on yet
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:14:00 -
[1723]
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Zanmaru
Yeah, but this patch doesn't affect certain specific combinations. It effects everyone with XP and Eve installed on their main hard drive. I mean, its a line of code that deletes a vital windows file. Its not some obscure conflict like what a buggy windows update might cause, it deletes a system file.
No it doesn't
It deletes boot.ini in the root directory. From this link:
http://vlaurie.com/computers2/Articles/bootini.htm
"Boot.ini is one of the very first files that come into play when a Windows XP system is started up. It is a plain text file that is kept in the system root, so it is usually C:\boot.ini. Because it is an essential system file, the attributes are set to hidden, system, read-only to protect it. That means that it will not appear in the file lists in My Computer or Windows Explorer unless the default Windows settings are changed to show hidden files."
I have an image showing the patch deleting said file if you want.
Mine didn't delete either from the expansion update. And I know I grabbed the version that was supposed to out of impatience to get it all going, although I always later download the full update in the background while playing Eve in case I ever have to format my hard drive.
Still, this kind of thing is giving me another reason to replace the Mac I gave to my mother.
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:16:00 -
[1724]
Originally by: Mourn Navarre
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Zanmaru
Yeah, but this patch doesn't affect certain specific combinations. It effects everyone with XP and Eve installed on their main hard drive. I mean, its a line of code that deletes a vital windows file. Its not some obscure conflict like what a buggy windows update might cause, it deletes a system file.
No it doesn't
It deletes boot.ini in the root directory. From this link:
http://vlaurie.com/computers2/Articles/bootini.htm
"Boot.ini is one of the very first files that come into play when a Windows XP system is started up. It is a plain text file that is kept in the system root, so it is usually C:\boot.ini. Because it is an essential system file, the attributes are set to hidden, system, read-only to protect it. That means that it will not appear in the file lists in My Computer or Windows Explorer unless the default Windows settings are changed to show hidden files."
I have an image showing the patch deleting said file if you want.
Mine didn't delete either from the expansion update. And I know I grabbed the version that was supposed to out of impatience to get it all going, although I always later download the full update in the background while playing Eve in case I ever have to format my hard drive.
Still, this kind of thing is giving me another reason to replace the Mac I gave to my mother.
Well, there were two different patches. The Trinity update that implements the non-graphics updates, and the Trinity premium graphics patch. The latter is the one that was bugged.
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Wheels within wheels in a spiral array,
a pattern so grand and complex.
Time after time we lose sight of the way,
our causes can't see their effects. |
LemonyLIme
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:16:00 -
[1725]
I have the Boot.ini file, but on the last line of code it has:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
the /noexecute=optin is in my file but not in the example you give. Judging from what it says im guessing it isnt good.
While I still have the file, the in-game graphics are pretty messed up along with a few other problems, such as the market not appearing when clicked, and general computer lag.
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Creditz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:17:00 -
[1726]
ive seen what to put in if you have xp home or professional..what do you type in for the file if you have xp media center edition? can anyone help me?
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:18:00 -
[1727]
Originally by: LemonyLIme
I have the Boot.ini file, but on the last line of code it has:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
the /noexecute=optin is in my file but not in the example you give. Judging from what it says im guessing it isnt good.
While I still have the file, the in-game graphics are pretty messed up along with a few other problems, such as the market not appearing when clicked, and general computer lag.
Your boot.ini having that different line is probably coincidental.
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Wheels within wheels in a spiral array,
a pattern so grand and complex.
Time after time we lose sight of the way,
our causes can't see their effects. |
Keeyin Farlander
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:19:00 -
[1728]
I...
Lucked...
Out...
On official travel in Hawaii and only have my Sony VAIO TX670 with me. Grabbed the 24MB patch, but this little laptop that could can only handle the classic client, and it is running on an external hard drive at that. The gaming rig at home won't get upgraded for another week and a half.
Sometimes it is better to be lucky than good...
Shout Out to SAK!!!
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:20:00 -
[1729]
Originally by: LemonyLIme
I have the Boot.ini file, but on the last line of code it has:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
the /noexecute=optin is in my file but not in the example you give. Judging from what it says im guessing it isnt good.
Don't worry about it. That part controls a rather annoying feature of Windows XP called DEP.
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:20:00 -
[1730]
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: LemonyLIme
I have the Boot.ini file, but on the last line of code it has:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
the /noexecute=optin is in my file but not in the example you give. Judging from what it says im guessing it isnt good.
While I still have the file, the in-game graphics are pretty messed up along with a few other problems, such as the market not appearing when clicked, and general computer lag.
Your boot.ini having that different line is probably coincidental.
No problem with that boot.ini file, looks fine
There's only one sig that matters... and that's Radius. |
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Creditz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:26:00 -
[1731]
What is the boot file to type in for windows xp media edition I cannot find it anywhere and am not totally sure on how to put it back in someone please help.
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Brolt Stumpfoot
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:28:00 -
[1732]
thanks for messing up my comp...sience im not too tech savy i had to reinstall windows...(only one comp that did not work so how the heck was i supposed to read the fix info!) and my window's validation code was used up...thankfully the customer service reprasentative at microsoft was a dunce and i talked my way arround it....but annyway id like to give you a big randome finger and a kick in the nards...thanks for nothing you dumpster diving code idiots. ill continue to play...but ill be more weary of your horrid patching.
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IamBen
Caldari
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:28:00 -
[1733]
my boot file is missing **** now what?
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Zanmaru
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:31:00 -
[1734]
Originally by: IamBen
my boot file is missing **** now what?
Originally by: Creditz
What is the boot file to type in for windows xp media edition I cannot find it anywhere and am not totally sure on how to put it back in someone please help.
No offense, but you guys could TRY to read the first post.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:31:00 -
[1735]
Edited by: BudzWRX on 07/12/2007 02:32:28
I dont know if this has ben mentioned, but many pc vendors include a backup partiton to repair. I did a lazy repair on my moms laptop when she bricked it a few mounths back. I used the backup partiton it is F10 during bootup -THIS IS FOR SONY.
hope this helps some people
Cheers -Jon
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LemonyLIme
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:33:00 -
[1736]
Originally by: Thargat
Originally by: Zanmaru
Originally by: LemonyLIme
I have the Boot.ini file, but on the last line of code it has:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
the /noexecute=optin is in my file but not in the example you give. Judging from what it says im guessing it isnt good.
While I still have the file, the in-game graphics are pretty messed up along with a few other problems, such as the market not appearing when clicked, and general computer lag.
Your boot.ini having that different line is probably coincidental.
No problem with that boot.ini file, looks fine
Well whether it is ok or not, the game is having some problems.
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MOTOK0
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:34:00 -
[1737]
Whats funny is that all these threads are just the tip of the iceberg
Wonder how many people are sat looking at PC's that don't work anymore
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Creditz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:36:00 -
[1738]
i read the first post all the examples are for xp home or professional.....so i have yet to see one for windows xp media center edition..so again can someone help clarrify this and help me with this issue instead of just being a smart ass?
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:39:00 -
[1739]
Originally by: Creditz
i read the first post all the examples are for xp home or professional.....so i have yet to see one for windows xp media center edition..so again can someone help clarrify this and help me with this issue instead of just being a smart ass?
Actually, I think it is more that the majority of people aren't running that version and have no experience with it. The problems I have seen with it seem unique to it.
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Nina P
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:41:00 -
[1740]
Originally by: LemonyLIme
Originally by: MOTOK0
Whats funny is that all these threads are just the tip of the iceberg
Wonder how many people are sat looking at PC's that don't work anymore
Oh boy thats a good question... but it would probably be best to not remind them of that, at least until the problem is fixed. Such pressure can make things difficult.
25k users online seems kinda normal for this time considering that it's post patch and everything (and most users have Sp2 and better and should not be affected, atleast most of them). |
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Yosarian
Hand Of The Tahiri
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:43:00 -
[1741]
It's a really bad bug. CCP messed up. But it was an accident and they're doing their best to solve it.
Meanwhile, I'm blown away at how easy it is to render a copy of Win XP useless. The more I use windows (i'm a mac user that boots into windows to play eve), the more I'm deeply unimpressed with Microsoft. Right now my sympathy is with the CCP developers that have to test a game to run on Windows.
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Ailean Caldaire
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:45:00 -
[1742]
Originally by: Creditz
i read the first post all the examples are for xp home or professional.....so i have yet to see one for windows xp media center edition..so again can someone help clarrify this and help me with this issue instead of just being a smart ass?
The solutions for XP Pro should work for you
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BROCKWE
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:47:00 -
[1743]
Finally the Truth!! Eve-Online is just an elaborate Trojan Horse Virus... Leading everyone on for years as just an harmless game, until you trusted them just enough with your expensive computer, then BAM! Delete Boot.ini. Don't worry folks I have already reported them to Mcaffee and Norton. This Trinity virus wont spread for long....
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:48:00 -
[1744]
Just a thought, but maby somone should take the good solutions and put them on one page, That way dont have to sort though 70 pages.
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Creditz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:48:00 -
[1745]
Originally by: Ddeathwife
Originally by: VossKarr
I find this an easier suggestion:
Quote:
If you installed the premium patch and didnt reboot yet there's an easy fix.
1. Locate your "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss .
2. Copy it to your desktop.
3. Delete the ".backup" extension so teh file is named "boot.ini"
4. Copy your brand new shiny boot.ini to your root directory. (in most cases c:\)
This worked for me but my backup file was named BOOT.BAK and it was a hidden file in the C:\ drive.
ok i found it and have it on desktop..where do i copy it to now? i am not understanding the last part i guess.
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Trikan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:49:00 -
[1746]
If you are running Windows XP media Center u have to put "windows xp media center edition" instead of the "Windows XP Professional Edition". just found that the hard way, good thing my computer has the auto system restore save points running.
Trikan
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:49:00 -
[1747]
Originally by: BudzWRX
Just a thought, but maby somone should take the good solutions and put them on one page, That way dont have to sort though 70 pages.
Sorting through 70 pages is good for you (it atleast has given me some new names to put up on the KOS list )
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Fulmen
Caldari Deep Space Ventures
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:52:00 -
[1748]
Originally by: Trikan
If you are running Windows XP media Center u have to put "windows xp media center edition" instead of the "Windows XP Professional Edition". just found that the hard way, good thing my computer has the auto system restore save points running.
Trikan
That is not true. All Media Center editions are based on the "Microsoft Windows XP Professional" OS. Just enter that and you'll be fine.
Reference wiki "There are four versions of Windows XP Media Center Edition. All editions of MCE are based on Windows XP Professional with all features enabled (with exception to Active Directory in Windows XP Media Center Edition 2005 "
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:54:00 -
[1749]
Originally by: Creditz
Originally by: Ddeathwife
Originally by: VossKarr
I find this an easier suggestion:
Quote:
If you installed the premium patch and didnt reboot yet there's an easy fix.
1. Locate your "boot.ini.backup" file in C:\WINDOWS\pss .
2. Copy it to your desktop.
3. Delete the ".backup" extension so teh file is named "boot.ini"
4. Copy your brand new shiny boot.ini to your root directory. (in most cases c:\)
This worked for me but my backup file was named BOOT.BAK and it was a hidden file in the C:\ drive.
ok i found it and have it on desktop..where do i copy it to now? i am not understanding the last part i guess.
rename it to boot.ini click my computer then C: click tools > folder options click the view tab uncheck hide system files if you see boot.ini in there then copy the boot.ini to your c drive when it asks you if you want to replace the file tell it yes and your done
if its not in your c drive do a search for boot.ini
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Creditz
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:57:00 -
[1750]
sweet it worked thank you very much....now i to am having the problems with buggy graphics in the premium mode just as lemonylime is....and i shouldnt be my puter is more then capable of handling it..are these graphic bugs as a result of this or is this another issue people are having?
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kc8yho
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Posted - 2007.12.07 02:58:00 -
[1751]
THANKS ALOT FOR ******* UP MY COMPUTER !!!!
windows xp sp 2 boot.ini gone ,
rebooted not knowing anything of this issue had no problems previously and wham got the update last nite way before 4 am est, and youc ame on earlier next thing i goto bed systems does teh scheduled reboot as i also run my buisness off of it i have lost 20 orders from webhosting, site down for hours and customer info documents and contracts are all GONE because i had to reformat and redo windows xp YOU COULDNT HAVE FOUND THIS OUT EARLIER IM SO ******* ****ED OFF YOU BETTER EB MASSIVLY COMPENSATUING FOR THIS ****. AND I MEAN "NOW"!!!!!!!!! YOU DONT RELEASE AN UPDATE TO MASSES UNTILL YOU MAKE DAMN SURE ITS NOT GONNA **** EVERYONES COMPUTERS UP THATS CONSIDERD ILLEGAL IN THE US AND IM TEMPTED TO TAKE SERIOUS ACTION AGAINST IT!!!!!!
[email protected]
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:00:00 -
[1752]
Edited by: BudzWRX on 07/12/2007 03:01:17
Originally by: kc8yho
THANKS ALOT FOR ******* UP MY COMPUTER !!!!
windows xp sp 2 boot.ini gone ,
rebooted not knowing anything of this issue had no problems previously and wham got the update last nite way before 4 am est, and youc ame on earlier next thing i goto bed systems does teh scheduled reboot as i also run my buisness off of it i have lost 20 orders from webhosting, site down for hours and customer info documents and contracts are all GONE because i had to reformat and redo windows xp YOU COULDNT HAVE FOUND THIS OUT EARLIER IM SO ******* ****ED OFF YOU BETTER EB MASSIVLY COMPENSATUING FOR THIS ****. AND I MEAN "NOW"!!!!!!!!! YOU DONT RELEASE AN UPDATE TO MASSES UNTILL YOU MAKE DAMN SURE ITS NOT GONNA **** EVERYONES COMPUTERS UP THATS CONSIDERD ILLEGAL IN THE US AND IM TEMPTED TO TAKE SERIOUS ACTION AGAINST IT!!!!!!
[email protected]
playing games and surfing the web on a computer you use for busness, one that probly has peoples information on it is A BAD IDEA
and if you read the TOS you accped CCP is not liable for any damage done to your system
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:04:00 -
[1753]
Edited by: BudzWRX on 07/12/2007 03:04:06
Originally by: Creditz
sweet it worked thank you very much....now i to am having the problems with buggy graphics in the premium mode just as lemonylime is....and i shouldnt be my puter is more then capable of handling it..are these graphic bugs as a result of this or is this another issue people are having?
no problem
and im on vista and i have no issues with grapix, or anything else for that matter i am just checking out the form trying to help, taking in the madness
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Biometrics
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:08:00 -
[1754]
Hey I have SP2 in windows XP Pro and my Boot.ini was gone too, i found out the hard way, to fix the problem i installed windows again into a different directory and then edited the boot.ini file and now it's all fixed :) didn't loose a thing, just some sleep over it hehe. :) well, good luck to all of you.
Peace
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Deimos Kleio
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:14:00 -
[1755]
I just want to be sure.. I took a peak in my win dir and i couldn't find any boot.ini, when i tried the control pannel->system->etc. the boot.ini suddenly showed up in my win.dir, also when i show up msconfig the boot.ini tab is still there, i know in the back of my head that im safe however, i just want to be sure lol, i don't want to end up like the people that got affected.
Cheers!
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Mourn Navarre
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:15:00 -
[1756]
Originally by: Biometrics
Hey I have SP2 in windows XP Pro and my Boot.ini was gone too, i found out the hard way, to fix the problem i installed windows again into a different directory and then edited the boot.ini file and now it's all fixed :) didn't loose a thing, just some sleep over it hehe. :) well, good luck to all of you.
Peace
Very clever.
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Ezekiel One
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:17:00 -
[1757]
ok, i ran into those error promps after my co\omp froze up trying to boot up eve. did a hard reboot and when the comp turned back on, it said something about a driver having errors or missing something. i was about to follow its directions. i was about to reboot, but decided to open eve again adn see what was going on. clicked on the link to get to this thread. then i followed its dirrections. i have the media center version of xp. i did all those checks to see if i was missing the boot.ini file, but its still there and nothing is wrong with it. but to be safe, i replaced it with a copy of the backup version. so does this mean i can restart the comp without any problems? i dont wanna risk losing everything on my harddrive.
i bet ccp's mistakes has ruined thousands of comps... i wonder how this will effect the community and future of the gameplay and players...
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Dystok
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:21:00 -
[1758]
My boot.ini from the C:\ drive is gone, but my computer is still working fine. I've already rebooted numerous times since upgrading to the premium package from the classic, so how come my computer isn't screwed up like everyone else's?
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Sul Trewtis
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:28:00 -
[1759]
Originally by: Dystok
My boot.ini from the C:\ drive is gone, but my computer is still working fine. I've already rebooted numerous times since upgrading to the premium package from the classic, so how come my computer isn't screwed up like everyone else's?
It sounds like you're using Vista. In which case it has no boot.ini file to begin with.
And to all the screaming, ****ing and moaning. You should know how to change a tire on your car, this is no different. If you are using a tool and don't know how to do simple maintainence on it it's your fault when simple problems happen. It's stuff like this that makes me think there should be a licensing system for computer use.
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Toadboy
Gallente
The 7th Insect
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:29:00 -
[1760]
Thanks CCP; It was very exciting last night as my computer crashed and I couldn't figure out what the F*** was going on when it wouldn't reboot....
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deadlydog5
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:34:00 -
[1761]
Edited by: deadlydog5 on 07/12/2007 03:34:39
Originally by: DvlDwg
Originally by: deadlydog5
Originally by: DeODokktor
Originally by: deadlydog5
then y is it not showing up on the CD he put in to check it?
Probably because he's trying to stick you with a large bill.
what are the odds of the C: drive being deleted?
You need to see the post above about your bios not being able to "see" a SATA drive unless you make some changes. Do you have a SATA drive? Where is he looking to say he can't "see" your C drive? In the bios?
i dont really understand anything about computers he just plopped a disc into the machine did somekind of salamander check donno the real name but said salamander then looked in the C: part and it was empty execpt for a canon folder
and whats a bios and SATA drive
and im going to bed hopefully an answer in the morning
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Vyktor Abyss
The Abyss Corporation
Abyss Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:34:00 -
[1762]
I was affected too.
Though all I saw was a 'boot.ini file missing message' this morning before my PC launched windows anyway.
Boot file tanking FTW!
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Deimos Kleio
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:38:00 -
[1763]
Originally by: Deimos Kleio
I just want to be sure.. I took a peak in my win dir and i couldn't find any boot.ini, when i tried the control pannel->system->etc. the boot.ini suddenly showed up in my win.dir, also when i show up msconfig the boot.ini tab is still there, i know in the back of my head that im safe however, i just want to be sure lol, i don't want to end up like the people that got affected.
Cheers!
anyone?
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Jagbou
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:44:00 -
[1764]
wow i'm glad i had a backup boot, now i know why my comp did something weird last time i rebooted....this is a bad thing for CCP...i hope they haven't caused too much damage.
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Valea
Wrath Of Khaine
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:47:00 -
[1765]
Welp... it is not a bigger ****storm than the carrier nerf thread... yet.
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.07 03:50:00 -
[1766]
Originally by: Deimos Kleio
Originally by: Deimos Kleio
I just want to be sure.. I took a peak in my win dir and i couldn't find any boot.ini, when i tried the control pannel->system->etc. the boot.ini suddenly showed up in my win.dir, also when i show up msconfig the boot.ini tab is still there, i know in the back of my head that im safe however, i just want to be sure lol, i don't want to end up like the people that got affected.
Cheers!
anyone?
sounds good cross your fingers and give it a try
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Irongut
M'8'S
Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:05:00 -
[1767]
Originally by: Deimos Kleio
Originally by: Deimos Kleio
I just want to be sure.. I took a peak in my win dir and i couldn't find any boot.ini, when i tried the control pannel->system->etc. the boot.ini suddenly showed up in my win.dir, also when i show up msconfig the boot.ini tab is still there, i know in the back of my head that im safe however, i just want to be sure lol, i don't want to end up like the people that got affected.
Cheers!
anyone?
Well for starters boot.ini shouldn't be in your win dir. It should be in the root of the drive that contains your win dir. e.g. C:\ If you are looking in the right dir then it might be hidden. You need to make hidden files visible as detailed in the OP.
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Lazuran
Gallente
Time And ISK Sink Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:13:00 -
[1768]
Originally by: Yosarian
It's a really bad bug. CCP messed up. But it was an accident and they're doing their best to solve it.
Meh, the Titanic was "just an accident" too ...
"...been designed for one purpose and one purpose only. Imagine a handful of repair drones pouring from the carebear's mouth. Now imagine they have um, nothing." -Unknown Hel redesigner (2007) |
Tommy TenKreds
Animal Mercantile Executive
Animal.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:25:00 -
[1769]
/me stops playing Other Games (tm) for a few minutes to check the Eve-O forums..
"Oh I see they ****** up the patch really badly this time."
/me checks training on Eve-O, still 30 more days on that skill..
/me goes back to playing Other Games (tm)
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Sharay Keltoi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:28:00 -
[1770]
**** HAPPENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Thaanvanite
Minmatar
ACCORD Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:28:00 -
[1771]
It may have been and accident but I've spent over 7 hours at this point trying to fix my computer and nothing is working. I've done everything they have suggested and more, I'm not completely ******** when it comes to these things either. CCP has screwed me and I am pretty fed up. I can't imagine really feeling like playing eve if I can't get my computer to run or if I have to format anything
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Xoduse
Gallente
Beasts of Burden
YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:29:00 -
[1772]
Edited by: Xoduse on 07/12/2007 04:30:31
Originally by: darthkalo
Originally by: Rooster
Edited by: Rooster on 06/12/2007 22:14:36
it might help if CCP read their own forums!!!
This bug appears to have been found when it was still in test:
8th post down.. by JAVLAN
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=648131&page=1#8
Unforgivable
this is the final blow bmo
WOW posted on the 3rd of Dec and not edited. Observed on singularity by a regular player, and as quickly as mods lock threads for being off topic (he was in the wrong forum, should have been game development, however to his credit it was an Issue) this could have saved everyone a major headache.
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Avery Fatwallet
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:30:00 -
[1773]
Originally by: kc8yho
i also run my buisness off of it i have lost 20 orders from webhosting, site down for hours and customer info documents and contracts are all GONE because i had to reformat and redo windows xp
wow, i feel sorry for your customers...
i mean... playing games and surfing on your "business server"... customer info documents and contracts all gone, because you keep them on your windows partition...
i mean ... we all made those mistakes, i admit it. but then we sucked it up, reinstalled dos and learned from it. 10 years ago....
no really, sorry for the flames, but youre either bull****ting us, or youre very irresponsible.
ccp might have screwed up big time, yeah, i dont really care. but what you (supposedly) are doing is much much worse
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Thaanvanite
Minmatar
ACCORD Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:36:00 -
[1774]
Can someone tell me why when I run bootcfg /rebuild it fails to find a windows install!?
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dimitri DeSade
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:39:00 -
[1775]
Wow. I was feeling quite sorry for myself that EVE never downloaded the premium content because my graphics card was inadequate. I guess I lucked out! Sorry to those having problems...
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Harusee
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:41:00 -
[1776]
Windows XP Media Center Edition retained a Boot.bak file which I copied and renamed boot.ini
My machine booted up with no problem but the boot.ini file was gone.
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.07 04:48:00 -
[1777]
Originally by: Harusee
Windows XP Media Center Edition retained a Boot.bak file which I copied and renamed boot.ini
My machine booted up with no problem but the boot.ini file was gone.
click my computer then C: click tools > folder options click the view tab uncheck hide system and it should appear
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DeathWalker02
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:11:00 -
[1778]
I have experienced issues with the Patch of a different nature. I keep getting the blue screen of death anytime i get targeted my anything.
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Rupicolous
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:13:00 -
[1779]
Sweet jesus ......... finally got a hold of an OS disk from someone and followed the instructions listed on Microsoft's web page for " missing and/or corrupt hal.dll file ". With a bit of patience and double checking on my typing errors, I made it through successfully. If you can NOT reboot just follow those instructions and you will be on the track back to normalcy !!!
Oh and CCP ......... ' Smell My Finger ' !!!
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Feyd Darkholme
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:14:00 -
[1780]
I haven't read through the entire 70 pages so I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I deemed it important enough to post...
If you are running Windows XP Media Center Edition SP2 and you can't find your boot.ini file but it keeps telling you it's there, you may have missed a step in unhiding the file that I didn't see mentioned (though like I said I could have missed it). You need to go in your root drive where boot.ini is supposed to be. Tools>Folder Options then in the "View" tab go down to "Hidden Files and Folders", and below that after checking "Show Hidden Files and Folder" there is another option below that for "Hide Protected Operating System Files". Uncheck that one and click the "Apply" button and you should be able to see your boot.ini file if it's really there.
Just for the paranoid people who don't trust anything that Windows tells them.
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TazzieDevil
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:37:00 -
[1781]
Edited by: TazzieDevil on 07/12/2007 05:41:47
I have found even for those that do have the boot file still have problems were you can log on and start to play and then after about 15 minutes you loose connection or it freezes and then looses connection and you need to reload into game again. i have been having to this for the last several hours. I cant put a petition in due to the fact that they dont allow you enough petitions for situations like this come on fix the problem please so that we can play what we have payed for. I have even uninstalled game and reinstalled it to find the problem is still there wtf? i am sick of paying for games that ppl f&^%& with to much and screw it up.
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Toria Nynys
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 05:55:00 -
[1782]
For those of you having bluescreen problems: notice that the upgrade blew away your settings, and sound is enabled! Just disable sound and see if the problems go away again.
Scary bug, this. Logged on today after having played a bit yesterday to a missing hal.dll. Did a google on 'eve online trinity virus', found the fix, and all is good once again. =)
Those of you calling for the dev/QA guys responsible to be fired are a bit out of line. Let me tell you an anecdote to put things into perspective.
Many years ago I worked at a medical devices company whose server end ran on big, heavy, expensive fault tolerant Unix variants. Having redundant hardware didn't protect the poor customers from a script which ran as root to create (and later unlink) a file in /dev named /dev/$USER_DEVICE, where the value for USER_DEVICE was entered at a prompt by the user...
Translation for the unix illiterate: unlink is the equivalent of delete AND deltree commands. /dev is the equivalent of windows/system32 for a unix box -- it doesn't contain any executable code, but every device on the system is accessed through that directory. So when the users hit <enter> at the prompt, instead of deleting a file in /dev it removed the directory instead, and thusly the ability to access every piece of hardware on that machine. The same machine being used by every doctor and nurse at a 1000+ bed hospital. Good times were to be had by all.
So, losing a bit of time restoring your gaming PC doesn't seem like such a big deal now, does it?
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Lusulpher
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:22:00 -
[1783]
crossposting to help out:
My Windows Media Center Edition was affected but luckily I got someone ingame to give me the text from a compatible system...seeing as how I don't have the disks(Ebay-shopper ]/- ) I would have been buttfecked. I made a copy just in case too, since my backup did not exist(turn on your system restore)
My bug with not being able to log into premium but only classic caused me to get install the whole client over...it deleted my new boot file....CCP plz take that link down. My backup saved me but that 's bad sportsmanship now. I did enough damage control ingame to warrant you guys giving me a some free gametime, but FIX THAT IMMEDIATELY! Please...Confused
btw the boot for Media Center is:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Media Center Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
Enjoy, fellow victims. The WoW people are never gonna let us hear the end of thisugh
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Ilvan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:31:00 -
[1784]
What kind of moron gives a game config file the exact same name as a critically important system file?
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:32:00 -
[1785]
Originally by: Toria Nynys
For those of you having bluescreen problems: notice that the upgrade blew away your settings, and sound is enabled! Just disable sound and see if the problems go away again.
Scary bug, this. Logged on today after having played a bit yesterday to a missing hal.dll. Did a google on 'eve online trinity virus', found the fix, and all is good once again. =)
Those of you calling for the dev/QA guys responsible to be fired are a bit out of line. Let me tell you an anecdote to put things into perspective.
Many years ago I worked at a medical devices company whose server end ran on big, heavy, expensive fault tolerant Unix variants. Having redundant hardware didn't protect the poor customers from a script which ran as root to create (and later unlink) a file in /dev named /dev/$USER_DEVICE, where the value for USER_DEVICE was entered at a prompt by the user...
Translation for the unix illiterate: unlink is the equivalent of delete AND deltree commands. /dev is the equivalent of windows/system32 for a unix box -- it doesn't contain any executable code, but every device on the system is accessed through that directory. So when the users hit <enter> at the prompt, instead of deleting a file in /dev it removed the directory instead, and thusly the ability to access every piece of hardware on that machine. The same machine being used by every doctor and nurse at a 1000+ bed hospital. Good times were to be had by all.
So, losing a bit of time restoring your gaming PC doesn't seem like such a big deal now, does it?
Sorry for the LOSS of your /dev directory contents.
Technician to fix the computer that screwed up and not having a relative to fix it because you're a gamer and unfortunately not able to obtain IT professional status (haha): $50
Paying for the subscription: $14
Finding out that installing something from a game to make it look better just costed you more money then anticipated: Priceless
For everything else: there is someone who can always beat your story because murphy's law never sleeps.
Enough said, don't tell people stories about how it could be worse because its not going to make them IT professionals and able to fix their own problems and restore game saves they probably spent endless hours....
it was a massive mishap we can learn from, don't stop playing EVE because of it. They learned their lesson and probably learned that naming may need to go through the QA process and most times boot.ini is not a problem except in this case... booteve.ini perhaps. Worst case scenario in that event... C:\booteve.ini haha.
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Foxfire Inferno
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:47:00 -
[1786]
I just downloaded the premium patch and now when the game attempts to load the station upon login, before it can begin, the game crashes.
Yes, I've already checked and my boot.ini was never deleted so I'm not sure what the issue is here.
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ctx2007
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Posted - 2007.12.07 06:54:00 -
[1787]
i do feel for you guys wot a pain in the rear
wot were ccp thinking?
thank goodness i upped to vista
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kc8yho
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Posted - 2007.12.07 07:09:00 -
[1788]
read carefully it wipes out the c:\ and teh second partiton all comes in operable including my hd linked to my comp by usb it made all crash and my usb hd wont work at all no with customer info, it ran off of boot.ini along with windows ,
Therefore cust data and web site lsot not ran from same computer just linked to it game cannot technically access info but if info on main hd is toasted for the shadow copy of windows so is teh usb hd.!
both had to be formatted and reinstalled.
ccp better start crediting massivly S.*hit, due to the simple fact tehy knew way before hand and then released it early without beta testing it fully first and ******* all us and it is illegal in the us due to the fact its neglect, and frivilant software if it can crash a system or cause damage to a system not of their own then by the computer piracy and crimes act of 1983 its considerd a computer crime or illicit virus"
frivilous in meanings and a ****up on their behalf if anyof us ever have to pay for a eve subscription again or a ****** up patch ill sue there ass.and im in the law buisness.
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Toarch Lightbringer
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Posted - 2007.12.07 07:13:00 -
[1789]
There is something called due dilligance, I really don't think this was followed here. Because if it was installed even on one Windows Machine with XP, which I assume a great number of their subscribers use, they would of found this tiny blunder. As well to have somebody post about it previous and only get blasted about being in the wrong thread. You would also assume that people with common sense would have forward that 'critical' information to the game developers.
I have been trying hard to get a friend to play this game and all he can do is show me many time's when dev's have used exploits for their friends benefits, all be it they have been released from CCP, and now something as basic as using a windows system file name as a gaming file name. Is that not programing 101 on the top 5 things not to do??? I was in a panic this morning as I did not reboot my machine, my friend (remember I was trying to get a guy to play this game??) forwarded me a link to slash dot about my Eve and the effects last night patch may have had on my machine. I looked for a number to call, a live chat to join, or surf this forum to find the answer. And I could not. I had to rely in him and myself to find the answers, pull the plug on my PC and Prey it came back up again.
Will I quit playing this game?? Probably not, do I feel that some sort of compensation should be given back to the community?? Absolutely. Some sort of 'token' compensation would go a long way to eleviate some of the just concerns people have and the trust that was lost in part by following simple, upgrading protocols.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 07:24:00 -
[1790]
Originally by: kc8yho
read carefully it wipes out the c:\ and teh second partiton all comes in operable including my hd linked to my comp by usb it made all crash and my usb hd wont work at all no with customer info, it ran off of boot.ini along with windows ,
Therefore cust data and web site lsot not ran from same computer just linked to it game cannot technically access info but if info on main hd is toasted for the shadow copy of windows so is teh usb hd.!
both had to be formatted and reinstalled.
ccp better start crediting massivly S.*hit, due to the simple fact tehy knew way before hand and then released it early without beta testing it fully first and ******* all us and it is illegal in the us due to the fact its neglect, and frivilant software if it can crash a system or cause damage to a system not of their own then by the computer piracy and crimes act of 1983 its considerd a computer crime or illicit virus"
frivilous in meanings and a ****up on their behalf if anyof us ever have to pay for a eve subscription again or a ****** up patch ill sue there ass.and im in the law buisness.
My fathers a lawyer and if he wrote something so poor as this he would be disbarred from the bar association. Try again. Second, learn about computers, boot.ini does not destroy partitions it means the boot information for WINDOWS when booting is missing. Running a second operating system or LiveCD that autodetects harddrives or even has support for NTFS file system will find the partitions integrity is fine. The failure with your USB harddrive is your own, you probably misconfigured if you even tried to configure the BIOS. Most system "admins" now adays forgot to set removable media as primary boot sources and not the harddrive so that in case you run into said issue where it can find a master boot record but then screws up it won't halt the system.
I admit that CCP made a mistake, however sir, your post and your knowledge of which you are speaking about are worse off then they could have made it.
You think this is the first time you've seen someone install "AS IS" software and try to sue a company because it messed up? Read the fine print, the installation processes is not fully automated so you can make a choice to install it or not. Good luck my friend, and god speed with your IT and LAW degrees.
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Airdorn
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.07 07:28:00 -
[1791]
This is not a flame to CCP.
Someone at CCP made an error and it wasn't caught by Quality Control. Oh noes.
Fix the problem and get over it. There's plenty of info about that now. It's not catastrophic except for the noobs who can't be arsed to do anything at all.
If I hear one more person whine about their "important work" trashed by CCP's error, I'm gonna puke. Stop putting your critical data on your darned game PC! Didn't you learn anything in that 101 level computer orientation class?
Also, the most basic search will reveal how to fix the boot.ini file. It's not hard at all. If you think it is, sell your computer in order to save the rest of us our sanity.
Thanks.
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kaylasoftdotnet
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Posted - 2007.12.07 07:33:00 -
[1792]
actually moron i have 3 degrees in each im a millitary police , sherrif deputy, and emergency mgmt so i promise you ive got your uncle beat in the surpassed post.,
also have multiple it degrees a+ cisco etc cert ethical hacker also,
as far as missconfigure goes try again,
you dont have that choice when you come back and find out the system is down and the windows youve been running fro a yr now jsut fine auto rebooting etc no problems is all jacked up after 1 6 hrs and a autoreboot,
and buisness is down reboto reform and deal qwith the data loss as quick as possible also as far as it being criminal YEs it is no contract you can make or Tos youc an make may override a Federal Law in the United Stated Or nor a stat law,
as set fourth and granted by the contstitutional ammendments and the bill fo rights and the bill of right ammendments as to the crime is legitimant under the 1983 computer crimes deffinition.
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kc8yho
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Posted - 2007.12.07 07:34:00 -
[1793]
Edited by: kc8yho on 07/12/2007 07:35:59
actually moron i have 3 degrees in each im a millitary police , sherrif deputy, and emergency mgmt so i promise you ive got your uncle beat in the surpassed post.,
also have multiple it degrees a+ cisco etc cert ethical hacker also,
as far as missconfigure goes try again,
you dont have that choice when you come back and find out the system is down and the windows youve been running fro a yr now jsut fine auto rebooting etc no problems is all jacked up after 1 6 hrs and a autoreboot,
and buisness is down reboto reform and deal qwith the data loss as quick as possible also as far as it being criminal YEs it is no contract you can make or Tos youc an make may override a Federal Law in the United Stated Or nor a stat law,
as set fourth and granted by the contstitutional ammendments and the bill fo rights and the bill of right ammendments as to the crime is legitimant under the 1983 computer crimes deffinition.
ps missing kbd as my kid just spileld pop on it lol brb gotta clean off the keys.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 07:39:00 -
[1794]
Originally by: Toarch Lightbringer
There is something called due dilligance, I really don't think this was followed here. Because if it was installed even on one Windows Machine with XP, which I assume a great number of their subscribers use, they would of found this tiny blunder. As well to have somebody post about it previous and only get blasted about being in the wrong thread. You would also assume that people with common sense would have forward that 'critical' information to the game developers.
I have been trying hard to get a friend to play this game and all he can do is show me many time's when dev's have used exploits for their friends benefits, all be it they have been released from CCP, and now something as basic as using a windows system file name as a gaming file name. Is that not programing 101 on the top 5 things not to do??? I was in a panic this morning as I did not reboot my machine, my friend (remember I was trying to get a guy to play this game??) forwarded me a link to slash dot about my Eve and the effects last night patch may have had on my machine. I looked for a number to call, a live chat to join, or surf this forum to find the answer. And I could not. I had to rely in him and myself to find the answers, pull the plug on my PC and Prey it came back up again.
Will I quit playing this game?? Probably not, do I feel that some sort of compensation should be given back to the community?? Absolutely. Some sort of 'token' compensation would go a long way to eleviate some of the just concerns people have and the trust that was lost in part by following simple, upgrading protocols.
good way to think of it. Atleast you didnt try to pretend you have the answers to everything. Thanks.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 08:21:00 -
[1795]
Originally by: kc8yho
Edited by: kc8yho on 07/12/2007 07:35:59
actually moron i have 3 degrees in each im a millitary police , sherrif deputy, and emergency mgmt so i promise you ive got your uncle beat in the surpassed post.,
also have multiple it degrees a+ cisco etc cert ethical hacker also,
as far as missconfigure goes try again,
you dont have that choice when you come back and find out the system is down and the windows youve been running fro a yr now jsut fine auto rebooting etc no problems is all jacked up after 1 6 hrs and a autoreboot,
and buisness is down reboto reform and deal qwith the data loss as quick as possible also as far as it being criminal YEs it is no contract you can make or Tos youc an make may override a Federal Law in the United Stated Or nor a stat law,
as set fourth and granted by the contstitutional ammendments and the bill fo rights and the bill of right ammendments as to the crime is legitimant under the 1983 computer crimes deffinition.
ps missing kbd as my kid just spileld pop on it lol brb gotta clean off the keys.
First of all, the Bill of Rights is not a document drawn up to declare whats a crime or not. Its main and only purpose is declare your rights and freedoms.
Unfortunately there is one problem with your analogy. The problem is when a lawyer argues a case in court to the jury on a crinimal case they need to prove motive and intent. Not only could you not prove they had a reason to interrupt their clients who pay them, as well as they intended for the damage to occur. Without motive or intent you will not have a case.
Second of all, if there is an autoreboot option its in the system configuration I believe under system restore and that only pertains to blue screens AKA Fatal stop errors where the system cannot recover. If you are rebooting due to that, your problems are more numerous then this.
If you came back and your computer was jacked due to miss configuration and it was XP, grab the disk and system restore for starters. Failure to do so makes me wonder who gets certifications. "Bill fo rights" homie?
Second of all, intent comes into play even with the 1983 Computer Crimes Act. You cannot convict for criminal reason without proving intent.
I would like to thank Google for my research.
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.12.07 08:32:00 -
[1796]
Some Boot.ini signatures (same thread, page 48)
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=651679&page=48#1414
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Stork DK
Synthetic Frontiers
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Posted - 2007.12.07 08:36:00 -
[1797]
So was there a CCP statement as of what actually happened?
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Angela Toren
Amarr
Toren Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:13:00 -
[1798]
Edited by: Angela Toren on 07/12/2007 09:19:59
My question is how something this bad could get past QA.
No beer for you!
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Originally by: SheriffFruitfly
For ambulation patch, they're gonna slip "format c:\" into the install script.
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:17:00 -
[1799]
Edited by: Ting Tong on 07/12/2007 09:18:06
Installed Premium upgrade before 4am.
Applied Patch
Turned comp off after.
Boot.ini file is deleted, windows will not load.
My computer is an off the shelf with windows pre-installed, (No Windows disc)
I have no-where to recover a copy of boot.ini.
How do I recover from this with no windows disc?
(Edit) Posting from my work comp not on XP
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General M0BIUS
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:20:00 -
[1800]
Im Still Running the Pre 4am Upgrade patch and i have restarted my PC several Times, then Again I did Have the Sence to install EVE onto a completly different hard drive.
Boy was I lucky
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:24:00 -
[1801]
Edited by: Thargat on 07/12/2007 09:27:10
Originally by: Ting Tong
Edited by: Ting Tong on 07/12/2007 09:18:06
Installed Premium upgrade before 4am.
Applied Patch
Turned comp off after.
Boot.ini file is deleted, windows will not load.
My computer is an off the shelf with windows pre-installed, (No Windows disc)
I have no-where to recover a copy of boot.ini.
How do I recover from this with no windows disc?
(Edit) Posting from my work comp not on XP
Ask your PC vendor (or a friend) for a windows CD, worst case... install a new windows (or LINUX it's freee) in a different folder on the same computer (do not format or anything else). The computer should start up with no dataloss (everything will look different though). Check under C: and make sure the boot.ini is there (if it's not, create one following CCPs simple steps). Edit it or to have it point towards your old windows (the one under C:\WINDOWS) reboot and all should be fine...
option2: Remove the HDD from your computer, insert it into another computer (anywhere with windowsXP or vista) as a secondary drive. Start the computer up and copy the boot.ini from the "new" computer (or the internet) to your old HDD. Re insert the HDD to your computer and all should be fine (no dataloss).
edit: you obviously are on a computer now, you can always download a boot.ini from the web or write your own (or download a linux for free).
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DaarMaar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:25:00 -
[1802]
Originally by: Stork DK
So was there a CCP statement as of what actually happened?
yeah.. like i give a damn
whatever and whoever srcrewd it up it's of no importance, as much is the fact that we now have 71+ pages in this topic.
Once again i'm more than amazed how huge and aware this community is.
I salute you guys for not been afraid to state your emotions, but also i salute you all for getting together and help each other out with posting about different solutions for all kinds of operating systems ppl might have regarding this issue.
You boys and girls are my heroes..
eve-online COMMUNITY FTW!
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:31:00 -
[1803]
Thargat...thankyou for your suggestions.
I do have the 5 recovery discs that are created when the comp is first switched on.
I can get to a DOS prompt in the recovery function, how do I create a new partition / drive?
Hell, I dont even know how I can install Windows to that new drive :?
I will just have to obtain a windows disc from someone
Unfortunatly, I am in the sticks and will not get to the town untill next week.
Can a Windows disc be borrowed from a library?
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Mallikanth
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:34:00 -
[1804]
Have you looked here?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:35:00 -
[1805]
Originally by: Toarch Lightbringer
There is something called due dilligance, I really don't think this was followed here. Because if it was installed even on one Windows Machine with XP, which I assume a great number of their subscribers use, they would of found this tiny blunder. As well to have somebody post about it previous and only get blasted about being in the wrong thread. You would also assume that people with common sense would have forward that 'critical' information to the game developers.
I have been trying hard to get a friend to play this game and all he can do is show me many time's when dev's have used exploits for their friends benefits, all be it they have been released from CCP, and now something as basic as using a windows system file name as a gaming file name. Is that not programing 101 on the top 5 things not to do??? I was in a panic this morning as I did not reboot my machine, my friend (remember I was trying to get a guy to play this game??) forwarded me a link to slash dot about my Eve and the effects last night patch may have had on my machine. I looked for a number to call, a live chat to join, or surf this forum to find the answer. And I could not. I had to rely in him and myself to find the answers, pull the plug on my PC and Prey it came back up again.
Will I quit playing this game?? Probably not, do I feel that some sort of compensation should be given back to the community?? Absolutely. Some sort of 'token' compensation would go a long way to eleviate some of the just concerns people have and the trust that was lost in part by following simple, upgrading protocols.
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:47:00 -
[1806]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Originally by: Toarch Lightbringer
There is something called due dilligance, I really don't think this was followed here. Because if it was installed even on one Windows Machine with XP, which I assume a great number of their subscribers use, they would of found this tiny blunder. As well to have somebody post about it previous and only get blasted about being in the wrong thread. You would also assume that people with common sense would have forward that 'critical' information to the game developers.
I have been trying hard to get a friend to play this game and all he can do is show me many time's when dev's have used exploits for their friends benefits, all be it they have been released from CCP, and now something as basic as using a windows system file name as a gaming file name. Is that not programing 101 on the top 5 things not to do??? I was in a panic this morning as I did not reboot my machine, my friend (remember I was trying to get a guy to play this game??) forwarded me a link to slash dot about my Eve and the effects last night patch may have had on my machine. I looked for a number to call, a live chat to join, or surf this forum to find the answer. And I could not. I had to rely in him and myself to find the answers, pull the plug on my PC and Prey it came back up again.
Will I quit playing this game?? Probably not, do I feel that some sort of compensation should be given back to the community?? Absolutely. Some sort of 'token' compensation would go a long way to eleviate some of the just concerns people have and the trust that was lost in part by following simple, upgrading protocols.
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
You really want to know why the Dev/QA most likely missed this issue (besides ignoring that testers posts) is who tests a game by restarting their system? Lets be honest, when I write program I do not test them with a windows/linux reboot. Thanks.
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Cephelo
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:50:00 -
[1807]
Hi there in the wide world of screwed up EVE. Has anyone found that after leaving any station your eve Premium Graphics program suffers from a unexpected problem and needs to shut down?
Well I did last night so I downloaded to whole client this morning for a re-install but still suffer a problem when in space, I have a Rifter in mid-jump trying to get to it's destination.
Has anyone got any sugestions?
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:53:00 -
[1808]
Originally by: Mallikanth
Have you looked here?
I have looked there and called the help number, unfortunatly as I have turned my computer off, and I do not have a Windows CD, he was no able to help me. All he said was I would have to be able to get a Disc so I can copythe file over....
Basiacally the helpline, was not able to help
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Haka Aragon
Caldari
F.M.J. operations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:58:00 -
[1809]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
You I am sorry to say are talking utter BULLSH*T!!
Just because you have all the patches from Mircrsoft does not mean you are immune... I work as a Tech Support rep for a computer firm in the UK and we tested this out with EVERY RELEASE of Windows XP (Home/Pro/Media Centre/64Bit) and we installed all the Microsoft updates that were available on these systems as if they were going out to customers and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was affected by this...
If you dont know what you are talking about please do all the people that are looking for help on this situation a favour and STFU until you get a clue...
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Thargat
Caldari
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:58:00 -
[1810]
Originally by: Ting Tong
Originally by: Mallikanth
Have you looked here?
I have looked there and called the help number, unfortunatly as I have turned my computer off, and I do not have a Windows CD, he was no able to help me. All he said was I would have to be able to get a Disc so I can copythe file over....
Basiacally the helpline, was not able to help
Get a boot.ini file and put it on a USB stick (from the web).
then go here http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
make a linux bootable CD and start up your PC with it. Insert the USB stick (or similar) and copy the boot.ini file to your c:
remove the linux cd/dvd and restart.
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 09:59:00 -
[1811]
Thargat..will do.
Many thanks.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:01:00 -
[1812]
Originally by: Ting Tong
Originally by: Mallikanth
Have you looked here?
I have looked there and called the help number, unfortunatly as I have turned my computer off, and I do not have a Windows CD, he was no able to help me. All he said was I would have to be able to get a Disc so I can copythe file over....
Basiacally the helpline, was not able to help
Try using a LiveCD such as knoppix. Only difficulty you will get is with finding the harddrive that is your windows one. Usually its the hd? with the WINDOWS folder on it. Just use the instructions listed prior in this post to go from /WINDOWS/ or whatnot to find the boot.ini.backup and then copy it to the / location on the HD? drive usually its HDA depending on where on the IDE it is. Unfortunately unless I saw the system I cannot give exact locations. Sorry I cannot be of any more help.
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Devick Baalreth
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:03:00 -
[1813]
Originally by: Haka Aragon
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
You I am sorry to say are talking utter BULLSH*T!!
Just because you have all the patches from Mircrsoft does not mean you are immune... I work as a Tech Support rep for a computer firm in the UK and we tested this out with EVERY RELEASE of Windows XP (Home/Pro/Media Centre/64Bit) and we installed all the Microsoft updates that were available on these systems as if they were going out to customers and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was affected by this...
If you dont know what you are talking about please do all the people that are looking for help on this situation a favour and STFU until you get a clue...
I agree with you whole heartedly, however you could go without the vulgarity. I answer the question and statements without swearing without need (or at all). I would have more respect for you if you did.
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Nelson Vandermark
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:09:00 -
[1814]
Hey where do I send my 120$ Invoice from my computer repair place since I had to get them to rebuild the system because I only play games?
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Haka Aragon
Caldari
F.M.J. operations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:12:00 -
[1815]
Originally by: Devick Baalreth
I agree with you whole heartedly, however you could go without the vulgarity. I answer the question and statements without swearing without need (or at all). I would have more respect for you if you did.
Sorry Devick, I altered my post.
I shouldn't have worded it as I did I am just annoyed with people thinking that because they weren't affected and they did such and such that everyone that does what they did are also safe...
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:12:00 -
[1816]
Originally by: Nelson Vandermark
Hey where do I send my 120$ Invoice from my computer repair place since I had to get them to rebuild the system because I only play games?
Nobody, unfortunately its AS IS. Which means you accepted risk upon install. Sometimes getting a solution that goes above and beyond of immediately sending to a TECH or calling a TECH need to be done first. Ample instructions where given to repair it. I read most of it and its pretty solid on most accounts.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:14:00 -
[1817]
Edited by: Devick Bane on 07/12/2007 10:15:07
Originally by: Haka Aragon
Originally by: Devick Baalreth
I agree with you whole heartedly, however you could go without the vulgarity. I answer the question and statements without swearing without need (or at all). I would have more respect for you if you did.
Sorry Devick, I altered my post.
I shouldn't have worded it as I did I am just annoyed with people thinking that because they weren't affected and they did such and such that everyone that does what they did are also safe...
Thats fine, we all have our moments and its not as if you where beyond saving. I just prefer reader safe ones. Words win wars, resorting to vulgar words means you're at the bottom of the clip with no more ammo.
Crap is a decent word, its not bad and gets the point across, like the reword at the bottom as well.
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giddymochug
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:16:00 -
[1818]
so is it safe to install now? hehe
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Ader
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:21:00 -
[1819]
Originally by: giddymochug
so is it safe to install now? hehe
Yes I belive its been like that for a long time, unless you have downloaded file long time ago.. or havent rebooted you comp. yet (as I have, prolly will not reboot for another 10days anyway.)
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Zataaki
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:22:00 -
[1820]
I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
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PsyMan
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:28:00 -
[1821]
Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 10:31:37
Originally by: Zataaki
I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
One option you can try if you have access to another PC or Mac with a firewire port and a firewire cable is to plug a cable between the 2 machines and boot your mac while holding down T, this will start it in target disk mode and your hard drive will show up on the other machine as an external disk, you can then make the repair. Or of course you could boot it to your mac OS and repair it from the mac, I recommend to use textwrangler (free) to create a new boot.ini though as it will produce a nice clean file.
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Zandev
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:30:00 -
[1822]
Originally by: giddymochug
so is it safe to install now? hehe
Yes and no.
It should be safe to download and install now.
However, do note that I got hit by this bug *after* CCP had fixed it, as the Eve background downloader had grabbed the patch before the fix.
Thus, be careful, and make sure that you are installing the fixed version.
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Maxus Cynus
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:34:00 -
[1823]
Well this confirms that I shouldn't resubscribe even for a month to check out this "awesome" new update.
Regarding the EULA, in Iceland you can NOT waive your legally guarded rights so the EULA will not make CCP exempt from the damage they have caused. However the blame culture has not yet, thankfully, seeped into the national psyche here.
However the same may be true in other European countries, the EULA is not a carte blanche for CCP to mess up your PC.
If CCP think that they can hide behind their EULA they are perhaps going to find out the hard way that the world doesn't work like that. They better compensate their users even if it will cost them millions of Euros because the alternative will be millions more of Euros.
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Zataaki
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:34:00 -
[1824]
Originally by: PsyMan
Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 10:31:37
Originally by: Zataaki
I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
One option you can try if you have access to another PC or Mac with a firewire port and a firewire cable is to plug a cable between the 2 machines and boot your mac while holding down T, this will start it in target disk mode and your hard drive will show up on the other machine as an external disk, you can then make the repair. Or of course you could boot it to your mac OS and repair it from the mac, I recommend to use textwrangler (free) to create a new boot.ini though as it will produce a nice clean file.
I'm actually getting an error with hal.dll rather than boot.ini. If anything I will have to repair it from mac OS. My roommate has a pc with vista but we dont have firewire.
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Michelle Vega
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:41:00 -
[1825]
EULA
12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
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Van Steiza
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:43:00 -
[1826]
well my comp is FINE but when i just turned it on ive done tht about 10 times now it said before it loaded into windows on the black screen invalid boot ini...OUT of no where. But it loads into windows all the same but i dunno how that could be im using an unaffected client. Any ideas?
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PsyMan
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:45:00 -
[1827]
Originally by: Zataaki
Originally by: PsyMan
Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 10:31:37
Originally by: Zataaki
I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
One option you can try if you have access to another PC or Mac with a firewire port and a firewire cable is to plug a cable between the 2 machines and boot your mac while holding down T, this will start it in target disk mode and your hard drive will show up on the other machine as an external disk, you can then make the repair. Or of course you could boot it to your mac OS and repair it from the mac, I recommend to use textwrangler (free) to create a new boot.ini though as it will produce a nice clean file.
I'm actually getting an error with hal.dll rather than boot.ini. If anything I will have to repair it from mac OS. My roommate has a pc with vista but we dont have firewire.
I will boot camp my mac and see how the boot.ini file works on a mac partition, I believe the hal.dll problem is a direct result of a missing boot.ini file. In any case it shouldn't take long to do a skeleton install of windows xp and get back |
Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:46:00 -
[1828]
Originally by: Ting Tong
Edited by: Ting Tong on 07/12/2007 09:18:06
Installed Premium upgrade before 4am.
Applied Patch
Turned comp off after.
Boot.ini file is deleted, windows will not load.
My computer is an off the shelf with windows pre-installed, (No Windows disc)
I have no-where to recover a copy of boot.ini.
How do I recover from this with no windows disc?
(Edit) Posting from my work comp not on XP
You could try a live Linux CD such as Knoppix:
http://www.knopper.net/knoppix-mirrors/index-en.html
However that's only really of use if you're fairly technical, or can find someone technically minded. Your best bet is to ask around at work for anyone with a Windows XP CD you can borrow. Your IT support people may even be willing to do the fix for you (show them the e-mail from the devs, it gives clear instructions) if you bring in your computer and possibly offer cookies (I would, anyway).
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Takumi Vetinari
Amarr
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:46:00 -
[1829]
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
If CCP think that they can hide behind their EULA they are perhaps going to find out the hard way that the world doesn't work like that. They better compensate their users even if it will cost them millions of Euros because the alternative will be millions more of Euros.
I imagine the likelihood of someone starting a class action suit to test this theory tends to zero.
Meanwhile, the rake of people sueing, presumably for the ú30 PCworld will charge to fix it, will surely let us know how they get on in the small claims court.
For what it's worth, a standard config XP SP2, surely the demographic most of us fall into, seems to have deftly avoided the issue by booting regardless of boot.ini problems. |
Jennifer Ashton
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:48:00 -
[1830]
Originally by: Michelle Vega
EULA
12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
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So stop trying to split hairs.
I'd just like to say the "eula" on programs containing spyware programs says something similar... and there already have been a lot of successful lawsuits against those sort of people. This was a massive error and easily avoidable. Compensation is not optional in this case, no matter HOW you see it. Legally, morally, common sensically. (I made up a word there, so bah) :P
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Zataaki
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:48:00 -
[1831]
Edited by: Zataaki on 07/12/2007 10:54:28
Originally by: PsyMan
Originally by: Zataaki
Originally by: PsyMan
Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 10:31:37
Originally by: Zataaki
I'm running a windows partition on a mac. When I try to start up windows it gives me the hal.dll error. My cd drive is currently broken and won't read any cd's. What are my options here other than get the cd drive fixed so I can use the windows cd to recover?
One option you can try if you have access to another PC or Mac with a firewire port and a firewire cable is to plug a cable between the 2 machines and boot your mac while holding down T, this will start it in target disk mode and your hard drive will show up on the other machine as an external disk, you can then make the repair. Or of course you could boot it to your mac OS and repair it from the mac, I recommend to use textwrangler (free) to create a new boot.ini though as it will produce a nice clean file.
I'm actually getting an error with hal.dll rather than boot.ini. If anything I will have to repair it from mac OS. My roommate has a pc with vista but we dont have firewire.
I will boot camp my mac and see how the boot.ini file works on a mac partition, I believe the hal.dll problem is a direct result of a missing boot.ini file. In any case it shouldn't take long to do a skeleton install of windows xp and get back
Awesome thanks, it's like 3 AM here and I'm gonna sleep but I'll check this thread again in the morning.
edit: I forgot to mention my Windows partition is NTFS while it's usually FAT32 with bootcamp. I'm also using windows xp home edition service pack 2.
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:50:00 -
[1832]
Originally by: Van Steiza
well my comp is FINE but when i just turned it on ive done tht about 10 times now it said before it loaded into windows on the black screen invalid boot ini...OUT of no where. But it loads into windows all the same but i dunno how that could be im using an unaffected client. Any ideas?
Sounds like you've got Windows XP SP2, and it's managing to recover from the lack of a boot.ini by using defaults. Try option A or B out of the e-mail CCP sent around, that should be able to restore your boot.ini and stop the warning message.
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Miner Nine
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Posted - 2007.12.07 10:53:00 -
[1833]
Originally by: Michelle Vega
EULA
12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
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So stop trying to split hairs.
Just because you write something in the EULA, doesn't mean it actually holds up in court. If the End User Agreement says no warrenties but the program cause permanent damage to the user who did follow said companies instructions, their EULA won't protect CCP from legal action.
But this mistake, while huge, doesn't fall under the 'permanent damage'. I do think CCP should do some sort of a apology. But Meh, luckly XP backup save me or I'll be a lot more upset about this. I was wondering what was wrong with my computer when I did the boot up and it had to boot from a previous backup.
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Calm Breeze
Gallente
Lethal Strain Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:07:00 -
[1834]
Does anyone know where I can get a boot ini file to copy onto a USB stick?
Humanity is acquiring all the right technology for all the wrong reasons.
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Cutter Pixx
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:10:00 -
[1835]
I agree with you whole heartedly, however you could go without the vulgarity. I answer the question and statements without swearing without need (or at all). I would have more respect for you if you did.
Sorry Devick, I altered my post.
I shouldn't have worded it as I did I am just annoyed with people thinking that because they weren't affected and they did such and such that everyone that does what they did are also safe...
I to had been affected by the upgrade, loved all of it, while running it, until I heard about re starting my comp.
Then I kinda freak out, for me though I have nortons back up installed , so it did not effect me the same as all the other players here, and I feel your discord in that matter, also I can not excuse ccp for thier total lack of control and monitoring either, in this matter,you can not RUSH quality control, no matter how hard you try..........
I also was on the night it went nuts here on the forums, and I must say I am ashamed of the lack of support.a major screw up on thier part, it took for ever to even here from a ccp rep, and that sickens me.
We all agree ppl screw up, and that happens but this and the many people and friends I had to help fix thier computers, plus all the other ppl helping others fix thiers, and almost NO help from ccp, NOT RIGHT!!!!!
I will never trust another upgrade or patch from them again, sorry, I know what thier contract stats, but after this ,I hope they look deeper into the FUTURE patches and upgrades.
Also invest a bit into maybe a full system back up , some are free even, not the best , and xp has system restore as well , move back to a better install date.
it was an accident none the less , the need for speed incident, I prey it does not happen again ccp is pushing to hard for thier out reached goals.
I love it now that I got it to all work , yet we are paying for a service we are not getting as they state, we seem to have to work to make it be what they offer and make us pay , and that is not right , no matter how you spin it.
any ways I hope you all recover from this inflicted error
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:10:00 -
[1836]
Originally by: Miner Nine
Originally by: Michelle Vega
EULA
12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
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So stop trying to split hairs.
Just because you write something in the EULA, doesn't mean it actually holds up in court. If the End User Agreement says no warrenties but the program cause permanent damage to the user who did follow said companies instructions, their EULA won't protect CCP from legal action.
But this mistake, while huge, doesn't fall under the 'permanent damage'. I do think CCP should do some sort of a apology. But Meh, luckly XP backup save me or I'll be a lot more upset about this. I was wondering what was wrong with my computer when I did the boot up and it had to boot from a previous backup.
This is actually very true .. A contract will most likeley not hold up if it is to one sided. This is basically the same for al the games and such if u read them .. bottom line usually turns out to be that you have no rights what so ever and they have no liability. This might work fine in the US i presume as they seem to get away with just about anything there if u have a good actor of attorney to charm the jury.
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Mecinia Lua
Galactic Express
Frontier Trade League
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:15:00 -
[1837]
If your missing the boot.ini file I think you can go to Microsoft, or you might just borrow a friends disk. I thought they had some links earlier.
The EULA would not save them in the United States. This is a catastrophic error really. It is like you going to the doctor and he does surgery on the wrong limb which results in your death....
I hope CCP though will get it all fixed up. I'd be happy with just a few extra days added on to subscriptions to compensate :).
PS: I'm at work right now :), I"m hoping my home puter is okay :(. It's the one with EVE.
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Digitoxin
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:18:00 -
[1838]
Ok - well I downloaded the Trinity patch Wednesday night 23:00ish eve-time and upgraded to the new shiny graphics. Turned off my computer, all was good. Read the forums yesterday, realised there may be an issue, tried to turn comptuer back on. XP started, checked for boot file, not there. Did a system restore to Wednesday at a time before the patch. All seemed fine, was in game. Undocked, jumped one system, extreme lag then bam ! computer turns itself off and now when I turn it back on again nothing happens . I don't even get the processor logo come up on the screen or any signs that anything is happening inside - anyone got any idea what's happened and what I can do to save it?
Please bear in mind I'm a complete computer n00b I use them lots but don't really know what's going on behind it all etc .
Thanks
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:20:00 -
[1839]
Anything deliberate and harmful like spyware and such lose in court. Legitamte programs like microsoft, eve etc. that dont do deliberate harm would win anyone trying to sue them. So people should stop saying otherwise since obviously they have no prior experience with legitamte programs and court cases.
In any case, this was unfortunate. People are mad. This is normal. Unfortunatly they have to take it out on someone since it seems impossible to realise they have accepted the EULA.
Originally by: Jennifer Ashton
Originally by: Michelle Vega
EULA
12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
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So stop trying to split hairs.
I'd just like to say the "eula" on programs containing spyware programs says something similar... and there already have been a lot of successful lawsuits against those sort of people. This was a massive error and easily avoidable. Compensation is not optional in this case, no matter HOW you see it. Legally, morally, common sensically. (I made up a word there, so bah) :P
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Maxus Cynus
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:26:00 -
[1840]
Originally by: Michelle Vega
Anything deliberate and harmful like spyware and such lose in court. Legitamte programs like microsoft, eve etc. that dont do deliberate harm would win anyone trying to sue them. So people should stop saying otherwise since obviously they have no prior experience with legitamte programs and court cases.
In any case, this was unfortunate. People are mad. This is normal. Unfortunatly they have to take it out on someone since it seems impossible to realise they have accepted the EULA.
EULA doesn't cover criminal negligence which is clearly the case in this matter. EULA is not worth the paper or bits it's written on or in if it doesn't hold up to the laws.
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Phony
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:27:00 -
[1841]
erhm.,...did the devs not test this?
50 man years spent on making eve a better place ..lol they scammed ccp for the overtime me thinks
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Takumi Vetinari
Amarr
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:31:00 -
[1842]
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
EULA doesn't cover criminal negligence which is clearly the case in this matter.
Please qualify this statement.
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Samurai XII
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:37:00 -
[1843]
If you guys want to sue them go ahead. THeir EULA won't last 5 minutes in a court of law. It has NEVER helped a company out before (except vs idiots).
Same deal with 'weavers' they don't last long in a court of law. If you think signing a paper or pressing I AGREE means you can get ******/screwed/raped, THINK AGAIN.
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Maxus Cynus
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:37:00 -
[1844]
Originally by: Takumi Vetinari
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
EULA doesn't cover criminal negligence which is clearly the case in this matter.
Please qualify this statement.
Not testing your software well enough to make sure it does not render the users system unusable. Causing criminal damage to your users property due to negligence in your testing and deployment.
Criminal negligence.
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hugh hephner
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:38:00 -
[1845]
running windows xp home edition sp2 and the boot.ini file wasnt deleted here.
maybe its because on some systems its not a hidden file.
on my system its a hidden file.
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Michelle Vega
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:42:00 -
[1846]
Must be americans speaking. No wonder they were voted stupidest people on earth by europeans.. |
Takumi Vetinari
Amarr
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:42:00 -
[1847]
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
Not testing your software well enough to make sure it does not render the users system unusable. Causing criminal damage to your users property due to negligence in your testing and deployment.
Criminal negligence.
Inadvertantly wiping a file from a computer constitutes criminal damage, does it? Thank you for that clarification.
I'll go look it up in UK case law now, I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to track down. |
MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:43:00 -
[1848]
I hate americans..
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Syrette
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:46:00 -
[1849]
Best advice is to take patch day off and read about it out the next day. (EQ1)
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Mung Lore
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:47:00 -
[1850]
Originally by: Eevul Rabbite
Edited by: Eevul Rabbite on 06/12/2007 07:04:01
Edited by: Eevul Rabbite on 06/12/2007 06:57:54
Originally by: Kittamaru
JUST AN UPDATE:
Windows XP Service Pack 2 is apparently IMMUNE to this bug... I have tested this, so have my corpmates. If you have Win XP SP 2 (and you SHOULD) you should be just fine!
As others have already said, this is NOT TRUE. All versions of NT/2k/XP/2003 are affected. However, you're "immune" to this bug if you have EVE installed on a different drive/partition than the system.
I installed the new graphic pack on 2 desktops 2 laptops in my house, all was affected by the issue, all with out the boot.ini and all still immune. If you keep your computer up to date and have all the updates from M$ your computer will boot up with out the boot.ini, it will pop an error but only for a sec then it will boot just fine.
For all your kiddies out there who says this isn't true then go back to school. All you need to do if you want to "fell" safe is just make a new file in your c: dir name boot.ini, and put the following in there from the DEV post.
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Windows XP Professional Edition" /fastdetect
The "Windows XP Professional Edition" can be rename to just about anything you wish, it just tells the user what OS you want to boot in to.
Open up notepad, (if you don't know where notepad or what notepad is, do the following)
1) go find a big box
2) put your computer in side it
3) ship it back to where you got it
Put that text above in the notepad, then goto file save as, nav to your c: dir (root) and save the file, it if as if you want to over right say no because you are not affected. But if it doesn't then you save the file and your done.
to confirm you done it right, do the following, start -> run Type MSCONFIG
after that has opened and you see a BOOT.INI tab in there your safe.
Just writing this for all the people who do not know what to do. As CCP doesn't write clear cut how to on how to do this type of things.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:49:00 -
[1851]
Originally by: Van Steiza
well my comp is FINE but when i just turned it on ive done tht about 10 times now it said before it loaded into windows on the black screen invalid boot ini...OUT of no where. But it loads into windows all the same but i dunno how that could be im using an unaffected client. Any ideas?
Because you have your windows XP up to date with SP and M$ updates, as EVERYONE SHOULD BE. And since you are a good user that followed what microsoft told you do do you are imune.
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Dameon Blackthorne
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:50:00 -
[1852]
Anyone who has access to a Knoppix/Red Hat/Boot CD will be fine. You can find the boot.ini.backup and rename it and place it in its rightful place at C:\ (or whatever yours may be).
CCP screwed up, but anyone talking about filing suit just doesn't know that there are about a hundred ways to fix this. At least they didn't install the same patch on any system server-side... The main people that this affects negatively are people who don't have an XP boot disc, most of whom have an illegal copy of XP to begin with. Stop being so melodramatic.
To anyone who got scared by this problem, make a boot disc of either WinXP or the free Knoppix. This Linux variant can run in almost any condition, because it's directly off of the CD. Then you can run any program to help yourself or your IT guru diagnose and fix any of your problems (in this case, rename and copy over boot.ini).
Yes, this was a pain in the ass, but come on, guys, a little "test" every so often never hurt anyone. And if you haven't backed up your files recently, serves you right...
--Dameon Blackthorne
One with your nightmares.
Feared by all, known by no one.
Blend with darkness, gone.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Haka Aragon
Edited by: Haka Aragon on 07/12/2007 10:09:20
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
NO!They would NOT find out! Because XP machines UP TO DATE with microsoft updates are IMUNE!!!
If you had a XP runnign without the updates its user's fault! You cannot expect CCP to test every operatign system under every possible update status ( several hundreds of possible combinations)
You I am sorry to say are talking utter crap!!
Just because you have all the patches from Mircrsoft does not mean you are immune... I work as a Tech Support rep for a computer firm in the UK and we tested this out with EVERY RELEASE of Windows XP (Home/Pro/Media Centre/64Bit) and we installed all the Microsoft updates that were available on these systems as if they were going out to customers and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them was affected by this...
If you dont know what you are talking about please do all the people that are looking for help on this situation a favour and leave the topic for others to help people in until you get a clue...
No.. YOU are talking CRAP.
A can for example go and delete boot.ini myself, manually. Or any other way. And The windows XP with SP 2 WILL BOOT PROPERLY.
I tested it in 4 machines. Windows Service pack 2 do not NEED BOOT.INI. That is a FACT! Was introduced exactly because several viruses delete this file. It uses boot.ini only to extract extra boot parameters. The eve bug would delete the boot.ini but that would cause NO PROBLEMS DURING BOOT!
Oh, btw if you want to wave e-peen as "work as techynical support, so I know better", wel lI have a Master Degree On Operating Systems, so I HARDLY need to get a clue.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:56:00 -
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Originally by: Takumi Vetinari
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
Not testing your software well enough to make sure it does not render the users system unusable. Causing criminal damage to your users property due to negligence in your testing and deployment.
Criminal negligence.
Inadvertantly wiping a file from a computer constitutes criminal damage, does it? Thank you for that clarification.
I'll go look it up in UK case law now, I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to track down.
True, but the worst subsequent damage is the repair bill from the tech that restored your boot.ini and likely to be the only part CCP would be sentenced to to pay in european courts.
Data loss is caused by incompetent people trying to repair your/their pc.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 11:59:00 -
[1855]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
I tested it in 4 machines. Windows Service pack 2 do not NEED BOOT.INI. That is a FACT! Was introduced exactly because several viruses delete this file. It uses boot.ini only to extract extra boot parameters. The eve bug would delete the boot.ini but that would cause NO PROBLEMS DURING BOOT!
Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts.
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Takumi Vetinari
Amarr
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:02:00 -
[1856]
Edited by: Takumi Vetinari on 07/12/2007 12:03:46
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts.
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Slain Limbo
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:03:00 -
[1857]
On the positive side, did anyone else notice the distinct lack of macro miners in the game after the patches...?
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Valora Grear
Tau Ceti Global Production
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:03:00 -
[1858]
Wow this is epic.
Your update wipes my boot.ini and causes a driver error that forces a restart, if I had installed this on time; which I would have but a storm shut off my power for 2 days, I'd be pretty ****ed right now. What's best I get the driver error right as I'm reading about the not booting...
*courtesy of www.flickr.com
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BoBxGIM
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:08:00 -
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I have to say I'm surprised the reaction to the situation here.
I suppose I felt that most, if not all players here had more then basic skills at "tinkering" with basic OS systems files etc.
I read the information and went right to the root directory (which I always set to show hidden files) did a search to find the backup I knew was somewhere in the windows directory and copied it back, and made a backup copy in root for next time Also I've not seen anyone mention booting to safe mode and creating it by edit through command prompt.
It's too bad that Windows have so disconnected the new user from even seeing those areas. Basic install has warnings of dire consequences about even entering the windows directory. the average new user never learns these skills.
So much for High Tech.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:09:00 -
[1860]
Can i just say, for some reason the having the sound on with eve makes me blue screen....i discovered this after it B/S twice. Good thing is my eve is on the other partioned drive which....i am correct in thinking that makes me safe and immune?
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PsyMan
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:16:00 -
[1861]
Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 12:18:19
Originally by: Zataaki
Edited by: Zataaki on 07/12/2007 10:54:28
Originally by: PsyMan
I will boot camp my mac and see how the boot.ini file works on a mac partition, I believe the hal.dll problem is a direct result of a missing boot.ini file. In any case it shouldn't take long to do a skeleton install of windows xp and get back
Awesome thanks, it's like 3 AM here and I'm gonna sleep but I'll check this thread again in the morning.
edit: I forgot to mention my Windows partition is NTFS while it's usually FAT32 with bootcamp. I'm also using windows xp home edition service pack 2.
Sleep well, I can confirm that the hal.dll screen on boot is a direct result of the boot.ini file being removed as I have boot camped my imac and deleted it (backing it up) and the resulting boot gives me exactly the same problem. I also opted for an ntfs partition which makes things a little tricky but not impossible to fix. I am going to now fix it and document it HERE to save you searching this thread and to allow anyone else effected to hopefully repair their mac.
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:18:00 -
[1862]
Is it possible to copy the boot.ini file (that is being posted in this thread)onto a floppy disc.
Take the disc home and put the disc in my machine that is not loading windows and boot from floppy?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:20:00 -
[1863]
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Takumi Vetinari
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
Not testing your software well enough to make sure it does not render the users system unusable. Causing criminal damage to your users property due to negligence in your testing and deployment.
Criminal negligence.
Inadvertantly wiping a file from a computer constitutes criminal damage, does it? Thank you for that clarification.
I'll go look it up in UK case law now, I'm sure it'll be fairly easy to track down.
True, but the worst subsequent damage is the repair bill from the tech that restored your boot.ini and likely to be the only part CCP would be sentenced to to pay in european courts.
Data loss is caused by incompetent people trying to repair your/their pc.
Exactly! If the technician caused data loss to repair your computer than HE is guilty! He IS THE CRIMINALY INCOMPETENT! And btw, he is also criminally guilty of exploring the good faith of its custumers, decieving them into thinking that the repair work was worth more than 5 or 10
dollars.
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Maxus Cynus
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:22:00 -
[1864]
Originally by: Takumi Vetinari
Edited by: Takumi Vetinari on 07/12/2007 12:03:46
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts.
Is it not reasonable to surmise that anyone doing that knows what they are doing and, in all likelihood, have the wherewithal to fix it?
I guess you don't see many Dell/HPs etc where the primary partition is not the OS but the settings from the manufacturer which will wipe your Windows and re-install it.
I'm curious in knowing exactly how good your car mechanic skills are, or your electrician/plumbing etc skills are. Even if YOU had no problem and if you did, could solve it in 1 minute, that doesn't free CCP from guilt.
Now I know all EVE players are pretty much resigned to losing stuff to CCP, be it training time, expensive ships, clones, implants etc etc due to bugs in their code. CCP rightly states that it does not owe you anything for it because it is THEIR PROPERTY you are playing with.
BUT taking this mentality into the world where OUR PROPERTY is being affected by CCP is utterly idiotic. It is your PC that CCP messed up, your (or even your workplace, people who use laptops from work usually get leeway to using them for personal things outside of work hours) property.
This can't be shrugged off as the usual "I got shafted by CCP but it was their call". Your operating system is not a CCP property, your box is not their property and nothing they say in their EULA changes that.
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Haka Aragon
Caldari
F.M.J. operations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:25:00 -
[1865]
Originally by: Ting Tong
Is it possible to copy the boot.ini file (that is being posted in this thread)onto a floppy disc.
Take the disc home and put the disc in my machine that is not loading windows and boot from floppy?
Yes you could give it a try. You could also do as someone else mentioned and that is try and log into windows under safe mode.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:29:00 -
[1866]
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
I tested it in 4 machines. Windows Service pack 2 do not NEED BOOT.INI. That is a FACT! Was introduced exactly because several viruses delete this file. It uses boot.ini only to extract extra boot parameters. The eve bug would delete the boot.ini but that would cause NO PROBLEMS DURING BOOT!
Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts.
Done.. one of my machines has windows in c: installed on a disk with a linux swap as first partition of that disk, and 2 other EXT3 before the NTFS partition. The install directory is /XP (I concede I don know if windows have any special rule on XP as it does with WINDOWS). Nothing SERIOUS happens as long as its SP 2and up to date (XP professional here, don have others). As of updated the boot.ini is BUILT IN into the boot loader. Will display a error message and continue a non parametered boot (only means it do n use the 64.bit processor protected instruction flags).
Not saying the is NONE possible configuration of partitions,drives, directories that would cause a problem. But Its an exception. General rule is if you are up to date with updates then your windows will boot fine. 90% of cases here are ones that could have been prevented.
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Haka Aragon
Caldari
F.M.J. operations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:37:00 -
[1867]
100% of the cases here could have been prevented had CCP done a proper audit of the code that they implemented in the update.
The are proud of the fact that they have a quality control department but it looks like they were drunk when this patch came through their office.
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:39:00 -
[1868]
Originally by: Haka Aragon
Originally by: Ting Tong
Is it possible to copy the boot.ini file (that is being posted in this thread)onto a floppy disc.
Take the disc home and put the disc in my machine that is not loading windows and boot from floppy?
Yes you could give it a try. You could also do as someone else mentioned and that is try and log into windows under safe mode.
Unfortunatly Safe mode still requires Windows to be recognised...it failed
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Kyle Hammer
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:39:00 -
[1869]
Th e fact remains CCP had no reason to mess with the Boot.ini file. It has nothing to do with the software the EULA refers to. This is not same as changing an autoexec.bat file, (I know that dates me) changing that would affect system operation. There is no valid reason for them to change or modify the Boot.ini file.
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Haka Aragon
Caldari
F.M.J. operations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:45:00 -
[1870]
Edited by: Haka Aragon on 07/12/2007 12:46:51
Originally by: Ting Tong
Originally by: Haka Aragon
Originally by: Ting Tong
Is it possible to copy the boot.ini file (that is being posted in this thread)onto a floppy disc.
Take the disc home and put the disc in my machine that is not loading windows and boot from floppy?
Yes you could give it a try. You could also do as someone else mentioned and that is try and log into windows under safe mode.
Unfortunatly Safe mode still requires Windows to be recognised...it failed
I didn't think it would but it was worth a try.
I hope you get this sorted soon. I also hope you have a REALLY long skill training :p
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Hectaire Glade
Forum Jockey
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:45:00 -
[1871]
It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. Lets move on shall we? The best lesson to be learned from this is that anyone writing software should never have thier own files with identical names to system critical ones.
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Ting Tong
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:48:00 -
[1872]
2 or 3 days left on a L5 I was working on...so I have until Monday
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Eternal Hatred
Amarr
Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies
BROTHER'S WORD
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Posted - 2007.12.07 12:51:00 -
[1873]
I just came home and I see this kind of ****up! Nice work CCP! My hats for you guys.. LOL!
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Takumi Vetinari
Amarr
Odessa Operations
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:14:00 -
[1874]
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
I guess you don't see many Dell/HPs etc where the primary partition is not the OS but the settings from the manufacturer which will wipe your Windows and re-install it.
I think I've purchased about 20 Dells, I'm happy to admit I haven't seen this varying kind of configuration you make reference to. I have noted that some of them came pre-equiped with Ghost, although the backup partition was not the primary; the machines were otherwise defaults across the board and, SP2 loaded, would have subsequently booted, despite the patch's unwitting efforts.
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I'm curious in knowing exactly how good your car mechanic skills are, or your electrician/plumbing etc skills are. Even if YOU had no problem and if you did, could solve it in 1 minute, that doesn't free CCP from guilt.
They are poor to average, although sufficiently adept to follow clear instructions.
I am not trying to absolve CCP from guilt or responsibility, I just find the trite calls for recompense and inane expert advice a little irksome. This thread would have been far more concise and useful in helping people were it not full of the above.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:17:00 -
[1875]
Edited by: aelawan on 07/12/2007 13:21:44
Originally by: Hectaire Glade
It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. Lets move on shall we? The best lesson to be learned from this is that anyone writing software should never have thier own files with identical names to system critical ones.
I have no problems with people I contract or buy from making mistakes or causing accidents, however, I do demand that they pay for them.
CCP is taking a considerable PR hit on this ... CCP should bite the PR bullet, admit their errors, and give everyone a free month of game time as a good faith payment for ruining their systems (yes even the trial account holders).
... no not because they legally HAVE TO, but becasue they WANT TO ... to 'attempt' to make it up to their considerable subscriber base, which i might add they wouldnt have a successful business without.
Just add 1 month to everyone game time like an in house paid time card.
Sorry, but there is no reason for a mistake like this ... no justification ... and there is no downplaying it.
Imagine the loss of productivity and revenue for people playing it at work, or a home office, upgrading their skills at work, or god forbid they god fired for screwing up the computers when the IT tech found out what caused it and reported it to their superiors.
That said, the ONLY reason you arent seeing more of an public/forum outcry about this issue is because the majority of the people that are affected cant even get online now becasue why ??? CCP screwd up their computers.
I know i have seen a considerable decrease in logged in users.
coincidence ?
just my $.02
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:19:00 -
[1876]
Originally by: Hectaire Glade
It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. Lets move on shall we? The best lesson to be learned from this is that anyone writing software should never have thier own files with identical names to system critical ones.
THAT! I am myself recheking all file names in project i am currenlty working :P
...and also sure m$ already learned long ago to not let important files thown randomlyin root.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:19:00 -
[1877]
i relly hope 100% have a floppy drive to boot from since neraly all new pc's dont come with a floppy any more!!
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Maxus Cynus
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:20:00 -
[1878]
This thread is named:
Boot.ini discussion thread
Discussion!
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Dave Day
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:22:00 -
[1879]
Originally by: Hectaire Glade
It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT.
No.....an accident which could have been easily avoided is what's called NEGLIGENT and that's a whole different ball game.
1. Whose bright idea was it to name a game file boot.ini? Come on, you don't need to a rocket scientist to work out the potential for chaos there.
2. Which equally bright spark then decided to code in del /boot.ini?
3. This for me is the killer.....Did nobody at CCP even consider uploading the finished code onto at least one measly office desktop running XP just to make sure it didn't contain exactly this sort of screw up??? It's called TESTING FFS....
Accidents I can live with. If I get in my car and have a crash due to a lapse of concentration then hey, it's one of those things. If, however, I had that crash driving blindfolded and with no hands on the wheel, I'd expect to be in a whole world of trouble with someone.
I've played Eve for 4 years and have no problem with the usual patch day blues....markets borked etc etc. But to patch the game in good faith and have my PC die is completely unacceptable.
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:24:00 -
[1880]
i know this wont help, but when i was on win 98se (not sure about xp>>> i noticed after a whipe (restore) anything on the C\ drive that i had was still thier, so now with every computer i have/had, i make my own folder on the C\ drive to keep any thing on in case of a whipe or worse + backup) since in a restore it whipes the my documents folder/programs folder, so make it any name you whant my stuff/my items/my downloades/ ect,
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aelawan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:25:00 -
[1881]
agree 100%
pure neglect on ccp's part.
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princess katie
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:26:00 -
[1882]
As I thought CCP would , they obviously have ....placed people, saying things like the Quote:
It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT. Lets move on shall we? The best lesson to be learned from this is that anyone writing software should never have thier own files with identical names to system critical ones
ACCIDENT ? Typo? what is this Company a Company of errors?
They think they can attack people computers and just get away with it.
As to "lets move on" tell that to the hundreds that have lost their puters to the repair shops or the hundreds that have spent time repairing their own or the hundreds that dont have the funds or the know how to get them fixed. LETS MOVE ON what are you a CCP company director?
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Maarrg Blood
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:27:00 -
[1883]
Ok guys I can get my computer to load to dos 6.22 . I have no working cd/dvd drive to work with so I need to go from a floppy. I am not sure about any linux or anything I just need the coding to replace my boot.ini file on the c drive. I tried using the posted earlier attrib -s -h -a <enter>, then copy a:/boot.ini C: <enter>. To install a new boot.ini file that I had coppied and saved to a sepaerate floppy. Sure could use some help thanks will watch for another hour or so.
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Disteeler
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:31:00 -
[1884]
Edited by: Disteeler on 07/12/2007 13:31:58
lol guys it's like you don't only want CCP to apologise (they already did) but you want CCP to fail over all internet. Great work if you really want EvE to fail just hit cancel account. If you want to take it constructively then you're not doing anything right.
Oh and the level of computer and general technology illiterates here is simply amazing.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:33:00 -
[1885]
Ok, I have a question, might be stupid but meh. If I uninstall eve and reinstall Trinity (non new graphics version cause I dont have DX10) from the link on the site, will It work, and not delete my boot.ini?
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Brittannia
Gallente
Orion Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:36:00 -
[1886]
This is a disgrace.
This patch should never have been deployed. The number of bugs is staggering. They aren't all minor bugs either.
Jump clones blowing up implants,
POS becoming non-functional,
Dreadnaughts with 0 rate of fire,
The numerous system failures and CTDs,
Good lord CCP are you even testing this crap?
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Dave Day
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:40:00 -
[1887]
Originally by: Disteeler
Edited by: Disteeler on 07/12/2007 13:31:58
lol guys it's like you don't only want CCP to apologise (they already did) but you want CCP to fail over all internet. Great work if you really want EvE to fail just hit cancel account. If you want to take it constructively then you're not doing anything right.
Oh and the level of computer and general technology illiterates here is simply amazing.
I don't think technology literacy is the issue here. I don't need to be a Mechanic to know that my car doesn't start and I don't need to be PC literate to know that CCP have buggered my computer.
And no, I don't want to see them fail either. But as some people have already said, a major exercise in PR is needed now on CCP's part. We have a had a cursory apology at best and that's it....''We've wrecked your PC, never mind, move on'' just won't cut it.
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PsyMan
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:41:00 -
[1888]
OK, For anyone running a Mac with boot camp that has been effected I have put together a fix that can be achieved using your mac OS, the guide is HERE
I had to make and break a windows XP Pro install but those steps did repair it, should work for XP Home as well.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:48:00 -
[1889]
Originally by: Brittannia
This is a disgrace.
This patch should never have been deployed. The number of bugs is staggering. They aren't all minor bugs either.
Jump clones blowing up implants,
POS becoming non-functional,
Dreadnaughts with 0 rate of fire,
The numerous system failures and CTDs,
Good lord CCP are you even testing this crap?
Yeah man what a DISGRACE!!!
I meen.. OMG THE IMPLANTS!!!
Like... NOOOO THE POS's!!!!!
Dude the dreads don't FIREEEE!!! WE NEEDZ AMMO!!!
I MEEN THE CTD'S!THE CTD's!!!!
Good lord CCP, were do you dig up the patiente to put up with all the whiners?
Its unbelievable, unbelieveble i tell you... the nerve, i meen have you seen the weather today, and the queen using purple panties, its the end of the world...
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Larno
Gallente
Vali Corporation
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:49:00 -
[1890]
Originally by: Gaius Decius
Ok, I have a question, might be stupid but meh. If I uninstall eve and reinstall Trinity (non new graphics version cause I dont have DX10) from the link on the site, will It work, and not delete my boot.ini?
That won't make any difference. If you are affected, it won't fix it and if you aren't affected it wont cause any problems.
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Tirabi
Caldari
OH Corp
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:50:00 -
[1891]
Edited by: Tirabi on 07/12/2007 13:55:08
Originally by: Disteeler
Edited by: Disteeler on 07/12/2007 13:31:58
lol guys it's like you don't only want CCP to apologise (they already did). . . .
Can you point me to this apology. I've been reading the forums 3 times a day waiting for an apology but have yet to see one from CCP.
edit....
hah, i found it buried at the bottom of the first post. It should be the first line, not the last. In fact there should be one single post that is pure apology and explanation of how this happened, what they are doing to make sure it doesn't happen again, and who got sacked for it. I don't want or expect personal compensation, but someone should be fired.
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Dave Day
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:51:00 -
[1892]
Originally by: Dionisius
Originally by: Brittannia
This is a disgrace.
This patch should never have been deployed. The number of bugs is staggering. They aren't all minor bugs either.
Jump clones blowing up implants,
POS becoming non-functional,
Dreadnaughts with 0 rate of fire,
The numerous system failures and CTDs,
Good lord CCP are you even testing this crap?
Yeah man what a DISGRACE!!!
I meen.. OMG THE IMPLANTS!!!
Like... NOOOO THE POS's!!!!!
Dude the dreads don't FIREEEE!!! WE NEEDZ AMMO!!!
I MEEN THE CTD'S!THE CTD's!!!!
Good lord CCP, were do you dig up the patiente to put up with all the whiners?
Its unbelievable, unbelieveble i tell you... the nerve, i meen have you seen the weather today, and the queen using purple panties, its the end of the world...
Stuff the game issues......I'd be happy if my home PC would boot up.
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Maarrg Blood
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:53:00 -
[1893]
Originally by: Maarrg Blood
Ok guys I can get my computer to load to dos 6.22 . I have no working cd/dvd drive to work with so I need to go from a floppy. I am not sure about any linux or anything I just need the coding to replace my boot.ini file on the c drive. I tried using the posted earlier attrib -s -h -a <enter>, then copy a:/boot.ini C: <enter>. To install a new boot.ini file that I had coppied and saved to a sepaerate floppy. Sure could use some help thanks will watch for another hour or so.
help please
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 13:57:00 -
[1894]
Originally by: Maarrg Blood
Originally by: Maarrg Blood
Ok guys I can get my computer to load to dos 6.22 . I have no working cd/dvd drive to work with so I need to go from a floppy. I am not sure about any linux or anything I just need the coding to replace my boot.ini file on the c drive. I tried using the posted earlier attrib -s -h -a <enter>, then copy a:/boot.ini C: <enter>. To install a new boot.ini file that I had coppied and saved to a sepaerate floppy. Sure could use some help thanks will watch for another hour or so.
help please
If it's not a troll (I am not sure): buy or borrow CD drive and use Linux CD to access your HDD. DOS can't access NTFS partitions.
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Maarrg Blood
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:00:00 -
[1895]
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: Maarrg Blood
Originally by: Maarrg Blood
Ok guys I can get my computer to load to dos 6.22 . I have no working cd/dvd drive to work with so I need to go from a floppy. I am not sure about any linux or anything I just need the coding to replace my boot.ini file on the c drive. I tried using the posted earlier attrib -s -h -a <enter>, then copy a:/boot.ini C: <enter>. To install a new boot.ini file that I had coppied and saved to a sepaerate floppy. Sure could use some help thanks will watch for another hour or so.
help please
If it's not a troll (I am not sure): buy or borrow CD drive and use Linux CD to access your HDD. DOS can't access NTFS partitions.
it's not a troll, just a guy that wants his computer to work. The cd/dvd drive connection isnt working with any other drives and either is the usb. others earlier in this post said you could edit it in dos with a floppy, but there code didnt work.
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Inertia Foryu
Caldari
Spacely Sprockets Ltd
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:04:00 -
[1896]
In case some people don't have thier email set up, here is some additional phone support help.
From an email sent out from CCP:
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For those of you who need further assistance please file a petition in the boot.ini technical category from our website or by sending an email to [email protected] or call one of the temporary special call-in help lines that we have set up:
US (Atlanta): + 404 292 1819 Ext 241 - Open 1400-2200 GMT
US (Atlanta): Toll free number available soon, will be announced on www.eve-online.com
German/English language: +49 211 505 7720 (Local) Open 0600-1500 GMT
French language +49 211 505 7 721 (Local) Open 0600-1500 GMT
Russian language +49 211 505 7 722 (Local) Open 0600-1500 GMT\
Iceland toll free number is being set up, will be announced on www.eve-online.com
Please note that these special help lines can only assist with this particular issue.
We apologize for any inconvenience caused by this issue. All expansions and patches currently on our website are free of this error and safe to download and install.
Sincerely,
CCP
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:12:00 -
[1897]
Originally by: Maarrg Blood
Originally by: ArchenTheGreat
Originally by: Maarrg Blood
Originally by: Maarrg Blood
Ok guys I can get my computer to load to dos 6.22 . I have no working cd/dvd drive to work with so I need to go from a floppy. I am not sure about any linux or anything I just need the coding to replace my boot.ini file on the c drive. I tried using the posted earlier attrib -s -h -a <enter>, then copy a:/boot.ini C: <enter>. To install a new boot.ini file that I had coppied and saved to a sepaerate floppy. Sure could use some help thanks will watch for another hour or so.
help please
If it's not a troll (I am not sure): buy or borrow CD drive and use Linux CD to access your HDD. DOS can't access NTFS partitions.
it's not a troll, just a guy that wants his computer to work. The cd/dvd drive connection isnt working with any other drives and either is the usb. others earlier in this post said you could edit it in dos with a floppy, but there code didnt work.
I don understand. You seem to have described what you are doing. What is the problem still? The only thing i am not sure would work is DOS reading an NTFS partition. If your hard drive is FAT32 it should work tough.
If you don have a CD drive.... do you have any friend or any other computer where you can attach your hard drive? If yes just do it the copy a boot.ini to the root of your HD (while inside other computer it won be C:, but something like D: or e:).
BTW you wil get and check several different answers. Don get desperate, they are not contradictory. There are dozen ways to solve this issue that is why there are so many answers.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:15:00 -
[1898]
tl;dr; version: Backup important stuff like term papers, stop whining, no whole month of free time, l2use computer.
- Most of you aren't lawyers. Stop talking about criminal negligence and civil suits and any other legal term you've heard before. The EULA you accepted when you installed the game absolves CCP of responsibility.
- A free month of game time for everyone is not only disproportionate to what happened, but would also probably bankrupt CCP and, by extension, mean no more EVE.
- I had a paper due the day of the error too. You know what I did when my computer didn't boot? I took the *backup* I had to the library and printed it there. I kicked myself for procrastinating for so long to print it but disaster was averted since I had a backup. Don't tell yourself you don't need one.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:24:00 -
[1899]
Originally by: Dave Day
Originally by: Hectaire Glade
It was a freakin typo in the patch commands, it was what is affectionaly called an ACCIDENT.
No.....an accident which could have been easily avoided is what's called NEGLIGENT and that's a whole different ball game.
1. Whose bright idea was it to name a game file boot.ini? Come on, you don't need to a rocket scientist to work out the potential for chaos there.
2. Which equally bright spark then decided to code in del /boot.ini?
3. This for me is the killer.....Did nobody at CCP even consider uploading the finished code onto at least one measly office desktop running XP just to make sure it didn't contain exactly this sort of screw up??? It's called TESTING FFS....
Accidents I can live with. If I get in my car and have a crash due to a lapse of concentration then hey, it's one of those things. If, however, I had that crash driving blindfolded and with no hands on the wheel, I'd expect to be in a whole world of trouble with someone.
I've played Eve for 4 years and have no problem with the usual patch day blues....markets borked etc etc. But to patch the game in good faith and have my PC die is completely unacceptable.
Simple testing would not solve it!. CCP surely tested. But seem they tested in an updated machine (as ALL SHOULD BE ). Would be better if they had tested on several stages between no updates and updated? Sure yes! If you really believe any company does that for any game patch you are dreaming.
Given the fact that their test on their test machines presented no errors (because likely they were all 100% patched or had eve on different partition) and that NO ONE reported that from the SISI version of the upgrade. Its not so OMG UNBELIEVABLE" that they release the patch.
Since SIS didn't had this bug, it was introduced in the last 24 hours before patch deployment. On that situation you cannot expect CCp to test the patch in all possible Windows 2000, XP , VISTA etc on all possible combinations of service packs and partition installations. It's simply impossible to do it in that short time.
Was a tremendous stroke of bad luck that potentialized a MINOR error to become a major bug. It's not like they were not testing at all! Everyone that ever worked in a LARGE IT project knows that QA NEVER NEVER gets ALL errors, unless you leave the software under test for so long that it will be released as outdated software.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Acrith
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:27:00 -
[1900]
Hmm...Well, I wish someone would explain how to make boot.ini visible to explorer, because I'm fairly certain I have it now...I just can't SEE it. To be certain I tried the "my computer, startup edit" fix, saved the new file to a temporary folder as boot.ini, and then tried copy-paste into C drive. I was asked if I wanted to replace the boot.ini that was already there, which was the exact same file size as the one I was trying to paste. I'm reasonably satisfied that I'm safe here, but visual confirmation would vaporize my fears.
On that note however, I heard somewhere that EVE's installer was supposed to delete a boot.ini in the EVE programs folder. I came upon it when searching the C drive initially for a file named "boot.ini". If the installer was supposed to delete this, then is it supposed to be there still? Or is this another adverse effect of this dreadful bug? I want to make absolutely certain whether re-downloading and reinstalling the premium content is necessary or not.
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WeightedCompanionCube
Aperture Science Enrichment Center
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:37:00 -
[1901]
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Was a tremendous stroke of bad luck that potentialized a MINOR error to become a major bug. It's not like they were not testing at all! Everyone that ever worked in a LARGE IT project knows that QA NEVER NEVER gets ALL errors, unless you leave the software under test for so long that it will be released as outdated software.
Anyone working in large IT development also knows patching right up to the day of release is a recipe for disaster.
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Caruleum Ursa
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:38:00 -
[1902]
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Don't forget, the EULA also says it is governed by the laws of ICELAND (NOT the laws of CALIFORNIA). so . . . let's move on, shall we?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:40:00 -
[1903]
Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
Was a tremendous stroke of bad luck that potentialized a MINOR error to become a major bug. It's not like they were not testing at all! Everyone that ever worked in a LARGE IT project knows that QA NEVER NEVER gets ALL errors, unless you leave the software under test for so long that it will be released as outdated software.
Anyone working in large IT development also knows patching right up to the day of release is a recipe for disaster.
THAT is true and that is the real error on CCP part.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Polinus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:42:00 -
[1904]
Originally by: Acrith
Hmm...Well, I wish someone would explain how to make boot.ini visible to explorer, because I'm fairly certain I have it now...I just can't SEE it. To be certain I tried the "my computer, startup edit" fix, saved the new file to a temporary folder as boot.ini, and then tried copy-paste into C drive. I was asked if I wanted to replace the boot.ini that was already there, which was the exact same file size as the one I was trying to paste. I'm reasonably satisfied that I'm safe here, but visual confirmation would vaporize my fears.
On that note however, I heard somewhere that EVE's installer was supposed to delete a boot.ini in the EVE programs folder. I came upon it when searching the C drive initially for a file named "boot.ini". If the installer was supposed to delete this, then is it supposed to be there still? Or is this another adverse effect of this dreadful bug? I want to make absolutely certain whether re-downloading and reinstalling the premium content is necessary or not.
Don worry. your boot.ini is there. The eve one was to be deleted than replaced. So the delete operation was in fact NON necessary, a frivolous "loets over complicate" that resulted in this issue.
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Cosy
Gallente
Porandor
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:48:00 -
[1905]
will CCP make reimbursement to ppl that need to reinstall XP ?
many ppl loused part of work any info from ccp ?
i was gonna post something good but i got high
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.07 14:58:00 -
[1906]
Originally by: Cosy
will CCP make reimbursement to ppl that need to reinstall XP ?
many ppl loused part of work any info from ccp ?
Of course they will compensate us - like I believe in Santa Claus - get real.
I am pleased to announce that I have not downloaded the patch and until somebody can give me some guarantee that it will not screw my machine I am not going to. I don't care anymore that I cant play I would rather not play Russian roulette with my machine thank you very much.
Can you give me a reason to trust CCP again with their code and my money?
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:01:00 -
[1907]
Seems CCP updated the description of situation that causes the missfortune.
If you are with SP2 indeed windows can continue the boot up. But it CANNOT HANDLE it if the windows is in the SECONDARY hard drive (or if the HD is secondary to the CD-Rom)!
On this situation your PC won boot without the boot.ini.
At least that means that the number of affected people should be far smaller than first estimates.
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Polinus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:02:00 -
[1908]
Originally by: Wimwyn
Originally by: Cosy
will CCP make reimbursement to ppl that need to reinstall XP ?
many ppl loused part of work any info from ccp ?
Of course they will compensate us - like I believe in Santa Claus - get real.
I am pleased to announce that I have not downloaded the patch and until somebody can give me some guarantee that it will not screw my machine I am not going to. I don't care anymore that I cant play I would rather not play Russian roulette with my machine thank you very much.
Can you give me a reason to trust CCP again with their code and my money?
Only the PREMIUm data caused the problem, not the patch. You could have download the classic ok.
Since a loong time the premium content is also corrected.
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Darqion Zenix
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:03:00 -
[1909]
Originally by: Cosy
will CCP make reimbursement to ppl that need to reinstall XP ?
many ppl loused part of work any info from ccp ?
Yes you will get 2 hours of free playtime. shouldnt take longer :)
Its a bad bad bad bad bug... and even tho im not effected, the effects of this will reach me (couple of corp mates for starters)
In the end tho... not having backups of your important stuff, or even dropping stuff on your root disk is not the way to go...
people who didnt realise this were just WAITING for a disaster and they got it. This doesnt make it OK, but lets hope its a lesson for them. overall its an easy fix, should be no data lost
I am wondering what ccp will do tho, to make people stick around after such a disaster
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Crumplecorn
Gallente
Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:06:00 -
[1910]
Originally by: Wimwyn
Can you give me a reason to trust CCP again with their code and my money?
Because you want to play the game. That's the same reason anyone trusts any software on their machine.
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Cosy
Gallente
Porandor
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:07:00 -
[1911]
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Wimwyn
Originally by: Cosy
will CCP make reimbursement to ppl that need to reinstall XP ?
many ppl loused part of work any info from ccp ?
Of course they will compensate us - like I believe in Santa Claus - get real.
I am pleased to announce that I have not downloaded the patch and until somebody can give me some guarantee that it will not screw my machine I am not going to. I don't care anymore that I cant play I would rather not play Russian roulette with my machine thank you very much.
Can you give me a reason to trust CCP again with their code and my money?
Only the PREMIUm data caused the problem, not the patch. You could have download the classic ok.
Since a loong time the premium content is also corrected.
u are a customer or u work for CCP ? because i dont get your point
i was gonna post something good but i got high
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Polinus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:11:00 -
[1912]
Originally by: Cosy
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: Wimwyn
Originally by: Cosy
will CCP make reimbursement to ppl that need to reinstall XP ?
many ppl loused part of work any info from ccp ?
Of course they will compensate us - like I believe in Santa Claus - get real.
I am pleased to announce that I have not downloaded the patch and until somebody can give me some guarantee that it will not screw my machine I am not going to. I don't care anymore that I cant play I would rather not play Russian roulette with my machine thank you very much.
Can you give me a reason to trust CCP again with their code and my money?
Only the PREMIUm data caused the problem, not the patch. You could have download the classic ok.
Since a loong time the premium content is also corrected.
u are a customer or u work for CCP ? because i dont get your point
I am just smart enough to READ CCP COMMUNICATIONS.
The Premium content installwer had the bug. So the patch itselve has notthing related to it. And the premium installer has been corrected! Simple
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Zod Immortal
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:15:00 -
[1913]
Unfortunately I restarted my computer before I happened to hear about this travesty and as such my boot file was deleted, apparently. I received an error message on startup about the boot file missing and then another message about how windows booted up for C:/Windows instead. Whatever that means.
So, because this whole plan seems to hang on the fact that they catch you before you restart, what if you have already restarted but it managed to work? Am I safe?
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Cosy
Gallente
Porandor
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:16:00 -
[1914]
Edited by: Cosy on 07/12/2007 15:23:53
wait ccp product screw my XP and is my fault because i download that
because is optional product dont mean u lose your customer rights
anyone that have half bain can say that is bull****
i was gonna post something good but i got high
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Nobues
Gallente
DAB
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:19:00 -
[1915]
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Originally by: Kagura Nikon
I tested it in 4 machines. Windows Service pack 2 do not NEED BOOT.INI. That is a FACT! Was introduced exactly because several viruses delete this file. It uses boot.ini only to extract extra boot parameters. The eve bug would delete the boot.ini but that would cause NO PROBLEMS DURING BOOT!
Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts.
and anyone who does this needs to snip there xp CD in half because they really do not know what they are doing, they just "think" they do and try to "customize" there pc to the point of being slow ass ****.
Webhosting & Killboard for you, your corp, and your Alliance Click me for more info |
Horribad
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:24:00 -
[1916]
There is reason to believe this bug was caused by the same issue that caused the interdictor speed bug.
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:33:00 -
[1917]
Why oh why do people accept such **** poor service from CCP - if you bought this patch in a shop you would take it back as broken but we get people coming on here making excuses for faulty goods. Totally amazing !!!!!
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Bobarian
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:37:00 -
[1918]
I have a dell xps 400 and i can not even get passed the damn error message (windows root)\system32\hal.dll . Ive requested copies of my OS cd's today. Is there any way to get around my problem before getting the OS cd's ? Is there a way to download a file or recovery system from my work computer (using now) and then fix my home computer?
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MarcusD
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:39:00 -
[1919]
Originally by: Michelle Vega
EULA
12. NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
If CCP will not use that as an excuse. Bad business practice to pull out the paper work and qoute it when things like this happen. You buck up and fix it, you don't qoute legal mumbo jumbo to get out of it. I haven't seen a post from CCP saying anything of the sort. I have seen a ton of postings of phone numbers and procedures to fix the problem. Good luck to CCP in solving this error and restablishing their customers faith in there software and competence. Now is a time CCP can show what a great company they are. Lets see if they use it
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
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So stop trying to split hairs.
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Terraisa Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:43:00 -
[1920]
Originally by: Horribad
There is reason to believe this bug was caused by the same issue that caused the interdictor speed bug.
Good point. Ill add that I feel it is also the same issue that caused a number of game spoiling changes in spite of opposition and suggestions of better alternatives from their customer base.
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Githtakai
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:44:00 -
[1921]
Finally got it fixed. Ouch that sucked.
And to those asking why anyone would install windows in other than the first partition there are plenty of reasons. In my case I wanted to add a faster SATA disk among making some other upgrades. Windows product activation locks to your machine using ten elements of hardware including the hard drive device and VSN - so adding a faster hard drive can deactivate your windows if you make it the primary while also installing other stuff (like a new processor or more RAM).
One workaround (mine) was to install the fast SATA disk as a secondary volume, and of course I want windows on the super-fast disk for performance.
To be honest none of this would have happened if MSoft would let people modify their machines without deactivating windows, and it would have been easier to fix if distributed OEM windows disks were standardized and a bit easier to use.
More on windows WPA: http://www.aumha.org/win5/a/wpa.php
I'm not really MAD at CCP per se. These things happen. But it was very uncool and could have been avoided by using one of several available automated flaw finding software packs (which typically warn on files with system file names).
That hurt almost as much as the total nerfing of my character (Gallente recon/carrier specialist for a couple years now)
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Cosy
Gallente
Porandor
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:47:00 -
[1922]
MarcusD in any decent country that is considered a abuse in terms and condition and CCP is the onlyone that give the support on the product so the customer dont have any options
same like windows
on US that maybe is ok but on UE things are a bit different (look Microsoft have to pay 600 000 000Ç)
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Oki Riverson
Amarr
Pre-nerfed Tactics
SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:48:00 -
[1923]
I d/l'd the graphics and rebooted before all of this was said...thanks CCP, after a full reinstall I've lost EVERYTHING on my HHD's....work, pictures, music the lot. I WON'T be so hasty about installing your patches in the future. Be more ******* careful in the future, total school boy error.
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Polinus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:53:00 -
[1924]
Originally by: Zod Immortal
Unfortunately I restarted my computer before I happened to hear about this travesty and as such my boot file was deleted, apparently. I received an error message on startup about the boot file missing and then another message about how windows booted up for C:/Windows instead. Whatever that means.
So, because this whole plan seems to hang on the fact that they catch you before you restart, what if you have already restarted but it managed to work? Am I safe?
Yes. But just as precaution. Create a boot.ini on the root, or copy the windows one to the root.
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Seishomaru
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Posted - 2007.12.07 15:55:00 -
[1925]
Originally by: Oki Riverson
I d/l'd the graphics and rebooted before all of this was said...thanks CCP, after a full reinstall I've lost EVERYTHING on my HHD's....work, pictures, music the lot. I WON'T be so hasty about installing your patches in the future. Be more ******* careful in the future, total school boy error.
The boot.ini was tehir fault. Your haslty decision to reformat was your fault.
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mackem
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:05:00 -
[1926]
Edited by: mackem on 07/12/2007 16:05:50
Originally by: Bobarian
I have a dell xps 400 and i can not even get passed the damn error message (windows root)\system32\hal.dll . Ive requested copies of my OS cd's today. Is there any way to get around my problem before getting the OS cd's ? Is there a way to download a file or recovery system from my work computer (using now) and then fix my home computer?
You don't need to have you windows cs'd to access the file system and recreate a new boot.ini
GoHERE and download a live cd distro, doesn't really matter which one. But if you have never used Linux and only want to get you computer fixed (not have fun with Linux) I'd recommend Ubuntu.
Heres the steps you can follow to attempt to fix boot.ini - WARNING, I wasn't one of the unlucky ones who had this happen to them so I haven't tested this myself. But it should work.
>Download one of the live cd's
>Burn to cd/dvd depending upon which one you picked
>Reboot and go into bios (F2 on my comp, check you manual to find out what it is for you)
>Set the cd drive to be the 1st boot device, so that it boots before the hard drive
>Go into Linux (different versions will start up and login in different ways)
>Launch the text editor in the Linux environment of you choice and go Here to retype you boot.ini and save it to your C:\ drive as boot.ini
Hope this helps, if not then I guess you will have to wait on the windows cs's coming.
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starbar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:05:00 -
[1927]
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Blazerswoman
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:06:00 -
[1928]
Here ya go... My easy fix
I had bad boot.ini file when rebooting...
This is how I fixed it.
1. start
2. control panel
3. system
4. advanced (startup and recovery) settings
5. click on edit
6. copied this in
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /TUTag=P8YE36
and saved it and it put it where it needed to be.
7. reboot... walla worked for me
I hope this helps. I use windows xp professional btw...
Good Luck!
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DrAtomic
Atomic Heroes
Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:14:00 -
[1929]
Originally by: Bobarian
I have a dell xps 400 and i can not even get passed the damn error message (windows root)\system32\hal.dll . Ive requested copies of my OS cd's today. Is there any way to get around my problem before getting the OS cd's ? Is there a way to download a file or recovery system from my work computer (using now) and then fix my home computer?
That message means missing boot.ini and yes you can get around it by using a windows xp bootdisk from www.bootdisk.com. Since you have a dell you will need to edit the partition(1) part in the boot.ini (2 entries) to partition(2).
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iskies + my wallet = <3
Originally by: CCP Sharkbait
we are screwed.
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starbar
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:15:00 -
[1930]
i did classic upgrade and ive only boot ini backup in windows pss yet pc runs ok so far ,thing is when i go to system advanced ,startup and recovery settings it says "the c:\boot ini cannot be opened operating system and timeout settings cannot be changed yet can open it ,also looked at backup says
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect /usepmtimer
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NBT
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:15:00 -
[1931]
ok i write to ccp a bug report about the thing with that is not affect only the patch ... it affect all version even after downloading it after 04:00 and on a other hard drive then windows is instalt ... at least it was on my pc like that that the boot.ini got deletet after instaling the full version of eve trinety (premium) on d drive . it was a clean instal and my boot ini still got deletet ... (i found out that an old version of eve was there before but all files got overwriten and i dont belive the full version of 1 gb setup file just patch older eve ...
if you lost your boot.ini the best way and safest way is to take the backup file from windows folde (x:windows/pss) copy it on your primary bootdisk (normaly the one that is named c:) and remove the word .backup from the file name boot.ini.backup. that should work and fix for 100%shure the issu with the boot.ini so be awere of this ! :P
have a fun play time and hoply no issu annymore
ps: yea about my bug report that it also the full version of trinety premium of a clean isntal was affectet of this bug was filteret and closed without anny help .. the only awnser i got was that this bug i reportet was alredy registratet but i dont belive the even read ti 100% or they dont belive me at all ... bah they should belive me since im an it person by my selv:P
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Malixu
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:20:00 -
[1932]
Originally by: Nobues
Originally by: Washell Olivaw
Now take one of those 4 machines, install XP on anything but the first partition, and any folder but the default \windows and then delete boot.ini and see if it starts.
and anyone who does this needs to snip there xp CD in half because they really do not know what they are doing, they just "think" they do and try to "customize" there pc to the point of being slow ass ****.
Good grief, I'd better stop working as a developer then. Yikes, and here's me thinking it was a perfectly valid/sensible way of doing XP/Vista/Linux triple boot.
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Polinus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:23:00 -
[1933]
Originally by: NBT
ok i write to ccp a bug report about the thing with that is not affect only the patch ... it affect all version even after downloading it after 04:00 and on a other hard drive then windows is instalt ... at least it was on my pc like that that the boot.ini got deletet after instaling the full version of eve trinety (premium) on d drive . it was a clean instal and my boot ini still got deletet ... (i found out that an old version of eve was there before but all files got overwriten and i dont belive the full version of 1 gb setup file just patch older eve ...
if you lost your boot.ini the best way and safest way is to take the backup file from windows folde (x:windows/pss) copy it on your primary bootdisk (normaly the one that is named c:) and remove the word .backup from the file name boot.ini.backup. that should work and fix for 100%shure the issu with the boot.ini so be awere of this ! :P
have a fun play time and hoply no issu annymore
ps: yea about my bug report that it also the full version of trinety premium of a clean isntal was affectet of this bug was filteret and closed without anny help .. the only awnser i got was that this bug i reportet was alredy registratet but i dont belive the even read ti 100% or they dont belive me at all ... bah they should belive me since im an it person by my selv:P
yes it does delete your boot.ini in other situations as well. But on those you will still be able to reboot safely (so on those cases just a minor inconvenience)
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NBT
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:25:00 -
[1934]
Edited by: NBT on 07/12/2007 16:25:43
Originally by: Polinus
Originally by: NBT
ok i write to ccp a bug report about the thing with that is not affect only the patch ... it affect all version even after downloading it after 04:00 and on a other hard drive then windows is instalt ... at least it was on my pc like that that the boot.ini got deletet after instaling the full version of eve trinety (premium) on d drive . it was a clean instal and my boot ini still got deletet ... (i found out that an old version of eve was there before but all files got overwriten and i dont belive the full version of 1 gb setup file just patch older eve ...
if you lost your boot.ini the best way and safest way is to take the backup file from windows folde (x:windows/pss) copy it on your primary bootdisk (normaly the one that is named c:) and remove the word .backup from the file name boot.ini.backup. that should work and fix for 100%shure the issu with the boot.ini so be awere of this ! :P
have a fun play time and hoply no issu annymore
ps: yea about my bug report that it also the full version of trinety premium of a clean isntal was affectet of this bug was filteret and closed without anny help .. the only awnser i got was that this bug i reportet was alredy registratet but i dont belive the even read ti 100% or they dont belive me at all ... bah they should belive me since im an it person by my selv:P
yes it does delete your boot.ini in other situations as well. But on those you will still be able to reboot safely (so on those cases just a minor inconvenience)
mhh ok still is better with a boot.ini an without one :P :P hehe ... well i only try to inform and help :P not more :P
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ZigZag Joe
The Republican Guard
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:28:00 -
[1935]
64bit ftw but still a damn poor show from ccp
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Dave Day
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:30:00 -
[1936]
Originally by: Spook Ritaar
Most of you aren't lawyers. Stop talking about criminal negligence and civil suits and any other legal term you've heard before. The EULA you accepted when you installed the game absolves CCP of responsibility..
I assume you are also not a lawyer? I do have some training in consumer law. These are the relevant parts:
1. Duty of care - Any provider of goods and services has a duty of care to take reasonable precautions to ensure their products or services do not place their customer at undue risk of injury or loss to themselves or their property be that property material, financial, electronically stored, or intellectual property. The key words here being reasonable precautions. CCP would have a tough time arguing that they took adequate and reasonable steps to prevent this.
2. Fit for purpose - A product must be suitable for it's intended purpose. A car must have wheels that don't fall off and a software patch musn't trash your PC. If a product which is not fit for it's intended purpose causes you material or financial harm you may bring proceedings in court under a torte of negligence.
3. The EULA does not over ride these laws. It gives the supplier of goods a degree of protection but does not absolve them from the law. It's like those car parks that say ''Use this car park at your own risk'' It doesn't mean the owner can shoot you as you get out of your car. In my opinion CCP have been negligent and as such can be held liable for any costs incurred as a result of that negligence.
At least that's how it is in the UK. Not sure how things stand with them being based in Iceland but if they have any sort of registered precence here (i.e with companies house) then to my mind they have all the ingredients of a ready made civil case against them for damages.
I would like to think that CCP will step up and do the right thing for those who have suffered a loss as a result of this though....but early indications don't look promising.
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Phaeronan Skia
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:32:00 -
[1937]
Originally by: PsyMan
Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 14:33:25
OK, For anyone running a Mac with boot camp that has been effected I have put together a fix that can be achieved using your mac OS, the guide is HERE
I had to make and break a windows XP Pro install but those steps did repair it, should work for XP Home as well.
Thanks PsyMan - I was researching this too. I will try it out tonight. I think it might be worth mentioning the partition count in boot.ini in your tutorial. It may be partition 2,3,4 etc depending on the number of partitions in your machine.
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Hironashi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:40:00 -
[1938]
At this point I am looking a $300 bill just get my computer to run windows. Unfortunately what ever error did casued my BIOS not to reconize my c drive and I cannot even boot windows from the c prompt, since I do not have a floopy disk I have sent out the machine to "experts" and they are not entirely sure they can fix it. The really important data was backed up, but the machine cost was over $2,000 and I feel very screwed at this point.
Thank you
CCP
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:46:00 -
[1939]
Originally by: Hironashi
At this point I am looking a $300 bill just get my computer to run windows. Unfortunately what ever error did casued my BIOS not to reconize my c drive and I cannot even boot windows from the c prompt, since I do not have a floopy disk I have sent out the machine to "experts" and they are not entirely sure they can fix it. The really important data was backed up, but the machine cost was over $2,000 and I feel very screwed at this point.
Thank you
CCP
The bug caused no physical damaged. your 200$ machine stil works. If anyone charge you more than 10$ to solve that he is a thief! He just need to plug your hard drive in another computer and type a boot.ini of 5 lines in notepad and save it in the HD root.
If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough |
Polinus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:52:00 -
[1940]
Originally by: Lucius Dracus
Right, got a couple simple questions here since I frankly do not have time to read through 70+ pages, probably most of which is composed of whines and insults.
Right. I am using windows XP.
1. Is it now safe to download the patch normally?
2. Would it be safe if I uninstalled eve completely and reinstalled from the download link on this website?
3. If no to both, how can I back-up my boot.ini to make sure 100% I am safe?
Thanks.
Just check if you have a boot.ini at your c:/
If not, follow the instructions at start of thread on how to make one. Open vy notepad and write one yourself (only a few lines you just need to copy paste)
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El Sp1c
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:54:00 -
[1941]
To the dummies that reformated your harddrive, hope you learned your lesson. You are not a computer tech so dont try to be one.
To the people that paid $100-whateverthe**** don't get screwed like this again, find a real computer tech to help you out in the future, not some huge **** electronics store. There are smaller local shops around that might not even charge you and give you good advice.
And to all the people that are still whining about compensation QUIT EVE cry babies.
BTW people who want ISK instead of there money back, you guys are the worst ********s of them all.
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:55:00 -
[1942]
Originally by: Hironashi
I appreciate the comment, but we did attempt another hard drive that was clean, and we attempted to boot from the windows disk, nothing has worked, but I do appreciate any comments. The main problem is that even with a clean hard disk, BIOS will not reconize the hard drive.
Hiro
That is most likely a totaly separated issue that you only noticed because of this bug.
No way deleting a boot.ini can cause ANYTHING on your bios. Its simply impossible. Try this: All BIOS have a reset function, activate by a jumper in your motherboard. Check your motherboard manual, or beter ask for help from a friend that understand a bit of this. USe the jumper to restore teh BIOS to its factory values. Also re-check HD connection cables (small chance that while installing new HD you caused a disconnect of cable)
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.12.07 16:58:00 -
[1943]
Originally by: Lucius Dracus
Right, got a couple simple questions here since I frankly do not have time to read through 70+ pages, probably most of which is composed of whines and insults.
Right. I am using windows XP.
1. Is it now safe to download the patch normally?
2. Would it be safe if I uninstalled eve completely and reinstalled from the download link on this website?
3. If no to both, how can I back-up my boot.ini to make sure 100% I am safe?
Thanks.
1. Yes
2. Yes, but you don't need to
3. You don't need to, but: copy c:\boot.ini c:\boot.ini.bak
(this is assuming you didn't already install the bad patch)
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Jack Forge
Gallente
Wolverine Solutions
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:01:00 -
[1944]
Originally by: Gaius Decius
Ok, I have a question, might be stupid but meh. If I uninstall eve and reinstall Trinity (non new graphics version cause I dont have DX10) from the link on the site, will It work, and not delete my boot.ini?
if you're already affected it won't bring it back, if you aren't then dl the full graphical one, you don't need DX10 to see all the pretty
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:02:00 -
[1945]
Edited by: Kerfira on 07/12/2007 17:02:59
Originally by: Wimwyn
Why oh why do people accept such **** poor service from CCP - if you bought this patch in a shop you would take it back as broken but we get people coming on here making excuses for faulty goods. Totally amazing !!!!!
We got a warning within 5 hours, and a fix less than 2 hours after that!
This is not bad service, this is very good service you'll not see from many companies!
A company like Microsoft would not react for days/weeks, and then you MIGHT get a fix.....
Mistakes happen, and this was a bad one, but it was a mistake! CCP's handling of it after the fact was known has been as good as anything you can expect.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Hironashi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:06:00 -
[1946]
Thank you Kagura Nikon, your comments are kind and helpful. Fortunately I have a good laptop and I am not out of business, we hope to have the isssue solved today with desktop, and I do not intend quit EVE at this point, but I am feeling a bit peeved with them.
Hiro
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Kagura Nikon
Minmatar
Infinity Enterprises
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:09:00 -
[1947]
Originally by: Hironashi
Thank you Kagura Nikon, your comments are kind and helpful. Fortunately I have a good laptop and I am not out of business, we hope to have the isssue solved today with desktop, and I do not intend quit EVE at this point, but I am feeling a bit peeved with them.
Hiro
Sometimes HD detection might be frustrating, but does not mean you have a hardware malfunction. You can also try using other ports and other slaving(slave master) combinations (If you use any PATA device). The only way a motherboards can stop completely from detecting any HD is a burned south bridge. And if that was the case it woudl not even reach the BIOS.
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SugeR RusH
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:22:00 -
[1948]
Originally by: Kerfira
Edited by: Kerfira on 07/12/2007 17:02:59
Originally by: Wimwyn
Why oh why do people accept such **** poor service from CCP - if you bought this patch in a shop you would take it back as broken but we get people coming on here making excuses for faulty goods. Totally amazing !!!!!
We got a warning within 5 hours, and a fix less than 2 hours after that!
This is not bad service, this is very good service you'll not see from many companies!
A company like Microsoft would not react for days/weeks, and then you MIGHT get a fix.....
Mistakes happen, and this was a bad one, but it was a mistake! CCP's handling of it after the fact was known has been as good as anything you can expect.
its not the point of being told within 5 hours...the point is it should have nto been released and should have been noticed sooner...many people told ccp it was not ready
further more many people live in diffrant time zones and it was to late...finnaly some are sayying the second patch they gave which fixed it also does exacly the same thing so no they arnt great BUT yes they are doing more than microsoft would...still that does not excuse them of their actions and should not be defending them
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Shardhard
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:25:00 -
[1949]
Dear Programmer(s).
Your latest patch has been received. It has achieved its apparently desired effect of getting me out of the house more often. This is, needless to say, being posted from a computer that did not receive it.
After attempting the posted fixes, to no avail, I have
determined that your recent code violates the terms of your Provider Service Agreement (PSA).
To maintain document integrity, no copies of this agreement have been, or will be, provided to you.
When one of the posted DOS repair commands resulted in a "command not recognized" response, I elected to bring the patched machine to a licensed repairman.
If you are dissatisfied with this outcome, please call my Provider Support Line (PSL).
For your convenience, that number will not be listed, and will be manned on February 29th of every consecutive non-leap year, except when it is not.
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Jayne Tamm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:39:00 -
[1950]
sorry if this has been answered already...but has the boot.ini issue been solved now? if i download the patch now...will my pc be affected by the problems? or is it fixed..and i can get back to the enjoyment of EVE
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Crag Heyder
Gallente
Icosothron Industries
space weaponry and trade
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:39:00 -
[1951]
I don't understand why so many people are complaining that they don't have an OS disc. People actually buy computers with no external media backups of OS software and driver software? NO-body makes backups anymore? Family photos gone and no backups? Too bad stupidity isn't physically painful. Get a tape drive, 1 time per week, do a data backup.
You don't need to be a nerd for this precaution.
I think the new content looks awesome. Nobody is going to quit playing over this.
Nobody's going to sue anybody over this. Please stop saying you're going to sue, you know you won't!
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Nicho Void
Hyper-Nova
Tenth Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:44:00 -
[1952]
Originally by: Crag Heyder
I don't understand why so many people are complaining that they don't have an OS disc. People actually buy computers with no external media backups of OS software and driver software?
Yes. Try finding a new laptop with the software included. My girlfriend had a hell of a time and finally gave up.
Originally by: Crag Heyder
NO-body makes backups anymore? Family photos gone and no backups? Too bad stupidity isn't physically painful. Get a tape drive, 1 time per week, do a data backup.
A tape drive? You're honestly recommending that the average PC user purchase a tape drive and set up an automatic backup of all data once per week? That suggestion is laughable.
Originally by: Crag Heyder
You don't need to be a nerd for this precaution.
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Oregon sinful
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:55:00 -
[1953]
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Jaabaa Prime
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 17:56:00 -
[1954]
This explains what happened to my boot.ini of the test server
And I thought that it had been corrupted after a sound induced blue screen on sisi.
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:07:00 -
[1955]
Originally by: Crag Heyder
I don't understand why so many people are complaining that they don't have an OS disc. People actually buy computers with no external media backups of OS software and driver software? NO-body makes backups anymore? Family photos gone and no backups? Too bad stupidity isn't physically painful. Get a tape drive, 1 time per week, do a data backup.
You don't need to be a nerd for this precaution.
I think the new content looks awesome. Nobody is going to quit playing over this.
Nobody's going to sue anybody over this. Please stop saying you're going to sue, you know you won't!
You clearly live your life inside Eve not in the real world. Bet you did not suffer like others in this thread. You lost the bet by the way I for one have stopped playing due to this **** up. You want my PayPal account to pay me my winnings? Backups are made but why should I trust my computer to CCP - they have a track record of screwing up only so long you can listen to apolgies before you walk away.
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Oregon sinful
The Ankou
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:11:00 -
[1956]
Originally by: Wimwyn
Originally by: Crag Heyder
I don't understand why so many people are complaining that they don't have an OS disc. People actually buy computers with no external media backups of OS software and driver software? NO-body makes backups anymore? Family photos gone and no backups? Too bad stupidity isn't physically painful. Get a tape drive, 1 time per week, do a data backup.
You don't need to be a nerd for this precaution.
I think the new content looks awesome. Nobody is going to quit playing over this.
Nobody's going to sue anybody over this. Please stop saying you're going to sue, you know you won't!
You clearly live your life inside Eve not in the real world. Bet you did not suffer like others in this thread. You lost the bet by the way I for one have stopped playing due to this **** up. You want my PayPal account to pay me my winnings? Backups are made but why should I trust my computer to CCP - they have a track record of screwing up only so long you can listen to apolgies before you walk away.
your stuff, can I have it?
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Xtho
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:22:00 -
[1957]
I don't have a boot.ini. I don't have a backup boot.ini. PC boots fine. No errors, nada.
But I went ahead and created one just to be on the safe side.
Not sure what's so special about this PC but I would suggest that CCP QA PCs are special too and that's how the bug made it past them.
Gotta love patch day.
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Inculus
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:33:00 -
[1958]
I have been affected by this problem although my problem seems more serious than most people. I downloaded the premium patch as soon as it came out, logged for the night and the next day the boot.ini file bug hit me. So first thing I did is get this old PC up and running so I could search for an answer. I have tried for 2 days now everything that was been suggested on several forums/web sites with no luck.
I get the hal.dll file corrupt or missing error.
chkdsk says:There are one or more unrecoverable errors on the drive.
I try to reformat the drive and it says:"Windows cannot format the drive. This may be caused by the drive being corrupt, damaged or it is not compatible. (This applies to quick and normal formatting)
Most commands I try in the recovery console program says:"Access Denied". (I was not asked to input an admin password)
My computer was fine on Friday with no previous problems at all other than Tiscali throttling my connection . I scan for virus's, adware, spyware and other malicious software every night; I defragment my computer once a month; I run a scan disk once a month as well to catch drive errors; I manually update windows every week and update my anti-virus software nightly. This leads me to believe only Trinity could of caused this problem for me. (Not just the Boot.ini file but possibly corrupted hard drive)
I know the recovery command "Access Denied" may be because I'm not in admin mode (Not asked to enter a password) but even so I should still be able to reformat my drive but I find even that simple task is impossible. If there is any help what-so-ever I'm willing to try it, my data/games are backed up weekly on an external hard drive so I have nothing to loose. |
El Sp1c
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:37:00 -
[1959]
Originally by: Xtho
words
you have vista?
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Joensen
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:40:00 -
[1960]
Originally by: Inculus
I have been affected by this problem although my problem seems more serious than most people. I downloaded the premium patch as soon as it came out, logged for the night and the next day the boot.ini file bug hit me. So first thing I did is get this old PC up and running so I could search for an answer. I have tried for 2 days now everything that was been suggested on several forums/web sites with no luck.
I get the hal.dll file corrupt or missing error.
chkdsk says:There are one or more unrecoverable errors on the drive.
I try to reformat the drive and it says:"Windows cannot format the drive. This may be caused by the drive being corrupt, damaged or it is not compatible. (This applies to quick and normal formatting)
Most commands I try in the recovery console program says:"Access Denied". (I was not asked to input an admin password)
My computer was fine on Friday with no previous problems at all other than Tiscali throttling my connection . I scan for virus's, adware, spyware and other malicious software every night; I defragment my computer once a month; I run a scan disk once a month as well to catch drive errors; I manually update windows every week and update my anti-virus software nightly. This leads me to believe only Trinity could of caused this problem for me. (Not just the Boot.ini file but possibly corrupted hard drive)
I know the recovery command "Access Denied" may be because I'm not in admin mode (Not asked to enter a password) but even so I should still be able to reformat my drive but I find even that simple task is impossible. If there is any help what-so-ever I'm willing to try it, my data/games are backed up weekly on an external hard drive so I have nothing to loose.
Have you tried taking out your hard drive and putting it in the older machine? And i severely doubt it has corrupted your hard drive.
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Tarik ThunderStorm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:42:00 -
[1961]
Ok, this is very confusing.
I started downloading the premium content via the classic client today 7th of December around 9AM GMT time. Does this mean it is safe for me to continue with the download?
When does the boot.ini get deleted? During the download or afterwards? Asking this because I don't have any boot.ini file.
I am not aware if I had one before but since quite a few people are saying that they don't have any and can still boot fine I might be one of those.
Now, can EVE Online have someone elaborate on why some Windows XP users don't have a boot.ini file and are still working fine whereas others are not?
Thank you guys.
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Tarik ThunderStorm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:47:00 -
[1962]
ok, I read an earlier post and went to msconfig (run from the run prompt) and found that even though I don't have a boot.ini file I can see the boot.ini lines as described in this thread in the boot.ini tab. Clicked on CHECK ALL BOOT PATHS and it tells me that everything is ok.
Does this mean that I don't have to worry about this boot.ini issue??
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Woal Ithese
St Clements Institute for Higher Learning
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:52:00 -
[1963]
"Verification Failure"
After wrestling various bugs to get the client running, I'm now told that my Eve Installation is corrupt, damaged or modified. Searching around on the forums I found that this can occur when there are missing or extra files in /bin. I checked my /bin vs. the forums and I'm missing folders and tons of data. Anyone else seeing this issue? I'm at about 6 hours of time wasted screwing around with this patch. Where's the reimbursement for my time? Thank goodness this happened on my gaming box and I'm capable of doing this kind of support on my own or I'd be sharpening a pitch fork. This is simply not excusable behavior and the first time I've EVER seen an MMO, or piece of software for that matter, so utterly borked. Well, I guess there's the OS I'm using...
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.07 18:55:00 -
[1964]
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
Well this confirms that I shouldn't resubscribe even for a month to check out this "awesome" new update.
Regarding the EULA, in Iceland you can NOT waive your legally guarded rights so the EULA will not make CCP exempt from the damage they have caused. However the blame culture has not yet, thankfully, seeped into the national psyche here.
However the same may be true in other European countries, the EULA is not a carte blanche for CCP to mess up your PC.
If CCP think that they can hide behind their EULA they are perhaps going to find out the hard way that the world doesn't work like that. They better compensate their users even if it will cost them millions of Euros because the alternative will be millions more of Euros.
Your mistake is thinking that you can charge them with something without proving intent or motive. Read previous post about criminal law.
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Joensen
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:01:00 -
[1965]
Originally by: Woal Ithese
"Verification Failure"
After wrestling various bugs to get the client running, I'm now told that my Eve Installation is corrupt, damaged or modified. Searching around on the forums I found that this can occur when there are missing or extra files in /bin. I checked my /bin vs. the forums and I'm missing folders and tons of data. Anyone else seeing this issue? I'm at about 6 hours of time wasted screwing around with this patch. Where's the reimbursement for my time? Thank goodness this happened on my gaming box and I'm capable of doing this kind of support on my own or I'd be sharpening a pitch fork. This is simply not excusable behavior and the first time I've EVER seen an MMO, or piece of software for that matter, so utterly borked. Well, I guess there's the OS I'm using...
The most you could hope for is an extra day or 2 before you payment. I know blizzard did that when world of warcraft messed up (which was nearly every other patch by the way, not to the extent of deleting a boot.ini file, but still unplayable)
As a matter of interest why aren't these people shouting at microsoft asking for compensation for making and OS so full of exploits that you need to pay a third party company to keep it secure?
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Xtho
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:02:00 -
[1966]
Originally by: El Sp1c
Originally by: Xtho
words
you have vista?
Nope.
Windows XP Pro SP2 fully patched running on:
(1) Intel Quad Core Kentsfield 2.4Ghz Q6600 CPU
(1) XFX nForce 680i LT SLI Socket 775 Motherboard
(2) BFG GeForce 8600 GTS OC 256MB PCIe w/Dual Link DVI
(1) Mastercooler Duo Viva Dual GPU Water Cooler
(4) OCZ 1024MB PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Gold XTC
(1) WD Caviar 160GB Serial ATA HD 7200/8MB/SATA 3G
(1) Ultra Wizard Black Mid Tower w/750w PSU
(1) Corsair Nautilus 500 Watercooling Kit
Modestly overclocked.
I honestly don't know if the patch deleted my boot.ini or if I never had one.
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El Sp1c
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:05:00 -
[1967]
Edited by: El Sp1c on 07/12/2007 19:05:47
Originally by: Devick Bane
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
Well this confirms that I shouldn't resubscribe even for a month to check out this "awesome" new update.
Regarding the EULA, in Iceland you can NOT waive your legally guarded rights so the EULA will not make CCP exempt from the damage they have caused. However the blame culture has not yet, thankfully, seeped into the national psyche here.
However the same may be true in other European countries, the EULA is not a carte blanche for CCP to mess up your PC.
If CCP think that they can hide behind their EULA they are perhaps going to find out the hard way that the world doesn't work like that. They better compensate their users even if it will cost them millions of Euros because the alternative will be millions more of Euros.
Your mistake is thinking that you can charge them with something without proving intent or motive. Read previous post about criminal law.
this wouldn't be considered criminal
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:07:00 -
[1968]
Originally by: Michelle Vega
Anything deliberate and harmful like spyware and such lose in court. Legitamte programs like microsoft, eve etc. that dont do deliberate harm would win anyone trying to sue them. So people should stop saying otherwise since obviously they have no prior experience with legitamte programs and court cases.
In any case, this was unfortunate. People are mad. This is normal. Unfortunatly they have to take it out on someone since it seems impossible to realise they have accepted the EULA.
In any case, some people look like they can't even read and understand what is very simple:
THE GAME HAS NOT DELETED THE BOOT.INI FILE.
THE UPGRADE TO PREMIUM CONTENT HAS DELETED THE BOOT.INI FILE.
THE EXECUTABLE THAT INSTALLS THE PREMIUM CONTENT UPGRADE AND IN DOING SO DELETED THE BOOT.INI FILE HAS NO EULA OR DISCLAIMER.
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Lord Saradomin
Gallente
Asshats and Alcoholics
Minuit.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:14:00 -
[1969]
why are people still having issues now? they found the problem within 6 hours and took the bugged thingy down
follow instructions which have been given and shockingly it works!
note to self: assume 50% of the EVE universe can't read....o_0
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Alpha Monarch
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Posted - 2007.12.07 19:59:00 -
[1970]
HELLO ALL IM IN TROUBLE IM A TOTAL COMPUTER IDIOT MY BOOT FILE IS MISSING AND IM AFRAID ILL DO MORE HARM THAN GOOODTRYING TO USE EITHER PIECE OF INFO CCP PETE POSTED IS THERE AN OFFICIAL PATCH YET ?
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Sylfamas
Caldari
Making Our Way to Stars
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:17:00 -
[1971]
Originally by: Alpha Monarch
HELLO ALL IM IN TROUBLE IM A TOTAL COMPUTER IDIOT MY BOOT FILE IS MISSING AND IM AFRAID ILL DO MORE HARM THAN GOOODTRYING TO USE EITHER PIECE OF INFO CCP PETE POSTED IS THERE AN OFFICIAL PATCH YET ?
What they've said there is working. It won't work if you have a macintosh and you have windows through boot camp (but it's highly unlikely). Just go over to the links in the first thread, at microsoft, it explains step by step how to put your boot.ini back. Good luck m8.
We all want the same thing: a public apology from CCP's CEO or the QA Director. We don't want reimbursement or others **** like that. A public apology would be nice. Other big companies do this, and it's just normal.
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Fritz Zarathustra
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:30:00 -
[1972]
Follow up issue!
K, I did the xp cd recovery thing and now I get another error message:
"Load need DLL's for kernel."
Anyone else had this? Any ideas or sollutions?
...real tears on the way...
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Commander Korg
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:37:00 -
[1973]
i wish those who dont have a problem would stop posting saying its no big deal. its hard enough to find the solution on all these pages. my computer is affected and nothing has worked yet. finally found an old start up disc today and was relieved until i got thru and it said windows cannot find a hard drive so im still screwed. so all the experts who can fix this in minutes and those who werent affected please be silent, i dont need to read your garbage as well as trying to find a solution. oh yea and thanks ccp for the crap you put out. i cant even reinstall windows.
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Redwing Fellen
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:43:00 -
[1974]
I am afected too - utterly stuffed. I downloaded tonight at something like 1900 GMT - fater reading the notice that said it wouldf be fine because I was donwloading AFTER 0400 on the 6th.
No my computer is totally screwed. This is the most apalling mismanagement ineptitude and shoddy treatment by CCP. I will have no respect unless someone loses their job for this. CCP will be sued and I hope they gewt taken to the cleaners.
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Diego Delarocha
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:50:00 -
[1975]
Edited by: Diego Delarocha on 07/12/2007 20:50:20
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
why are people still having issues now? they found the problem within 6 hours and took the bugged thingy down
follow instructions which have been given and shockingly it works!
note to self: assume 50% of the EVE universe can't read....o_0
Or maybe even following all the directions didn't work.
...
As for me, my Macbook Pro's battery died (whoops.) after having patched Eve and tried it out for a few minutes. I remember plugging it back in, restarting - and getting a "missing or corrupt HAL.DLL" error.
Good thing I had a macbook pro, right? I reboot in Mac, look online to find a solution, and get my hands on a replacement hal.dll file. Obviously, it didn't fix anything. I stumble on the Eve forums because I wanted to see what people thought of Trinity - and holy crap! Missing boot.ini's? Hal.dll file errors? So THAT's what happened.
Great.
I follow the directions to the "T". In fact, I spent my entire day yesterday trying to fix this. I tried so many different variations of the directions provided that frankly, I can't even think of anything else to do except format my Windows Partition and start clean. Nothing worked. I get a new boot.ini? Great. Except now I get, "missing dlls" errors. I find out those could be caused by incompatible HAL.dll files - great! That's just dandy. I erase my HAL.dll and try expand d:\i386\HAL.DL_ from the repair console - and that doesn't work either. I'm digressing. Back on point: I'm running around in circles trying to fix my computer and nothing short of nuking the drive seems to be the solution.
The point I'm at now is me trying a repair installation of Windows XP. I'm trying everything in my power to avoid having to clear out my windows partition. Sure, I have most of my irreplaceable work backed up on DVD (another perk of having a MacBook Pro! I could still access all my windows files from within the Mac side, so I was able to save what I need), but getting everything back to where it was BEFORE losing my boot.ini could take awhile. A long while.
Problem is, even repairing the install doesn't want to work. It freezes with about 32 minutes left in the installation.
I haven't come here to moan about my PC problems due to Trinity, but now, it's getting ridiculous for me. I blew my entire day fixing this, and have desperately tried to fix this all day at work now as well. I'm still miles away from getting Windows back up and running, and I'm starting to get slightly irritated at the situation.
Any other Macbook Pro users got any ideas? (I should also mention, at this point, there probably isn't anything left for me to do than to just nuke the whole partition...)
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AxisKiller
Caldari
Hatori Mining Services
DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2007.12.07 20:59:00 -
[1976]
I read the four things that say you are not affected, and I only met two, however when I checked my harddrive's root directory (I:\) I enabled the show all hidden files and such, and no boot.ini file showed up. This was after I had rebooted before the notice was issued. I updated about two hours from now yesterday (6PM EST, Dec. 5). I had rebooted fine with no problem. Seeing my boot.ini gone, just to be safe I added a dummy in. I booted up my computer today and it booted fine. I run in a RAID 0 setup with two SATA drives with my OS (Windows XP w/ SP2) on the same setup. It seemed I was not affected, but seeing no boot.ini I added one as I stated above. My boot.ini consists of:
Quote:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
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Gaius Decius
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:08:00 -
[1977]
Ok, so if I upgrade to the classic one and not premium I am 100% safe, yes?
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Kharadran Sullath
Caldari
Digital Fury Corporation
Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:16:00 -
[1978]
AxisKiller: Change the timeout value from 30 to 1 and it'll start faster. If your computer starts up fine, you should be in the zone
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I call bull**** and troll. If you are deaf, how are you even able to read this or type replies?
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Breeker
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:23:00 -
[1979]
I have complete sympathy with the people who suffered form the total incopmtance of CCP.. I've downloaded loads of patches for my games and never had anything like this happen.. Funny thing is I had no idea it was anything to do with EVE until about 20 mins ago.. Having spent most of yesterday trying to recover my hard drive I just gave up and formatted the whole damn thing.. CCP had better be offering some form of compensation for this.. Showing a fix on the website is totally useless to all the 100's of people like me who had no idea it was eve that corrupted there computers.. Hardly the first place you'd look when your computer won't boot because it's missing a file, especially as the only way of accessing the world wide web is through the computer that ccp saw fit to mash up.. Thanks Guys.. Good job my computer doesn't have any valuable files on it or i'd be really ****ed off.. As it is i've only lost my numorous saved games, music and pictures.. Not that that excuses it in anyway.. Thing is, paying a subscription for a game, you'd think would guarantee you some form of security and competance for the money when a patch for the game your paying for is released especially when the error is of this magnitude..
But i'm sure there are worse people off than than me tbh..
Good luck to all that have suffered at the hand of ccp's patch..
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El Sp1c
SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:38:00 -
[1980]
Originally by: Diego Delarocha
Edited by: Diego Delarocha on 07/12/2007 20:50:20
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
why are people still having issues now? they found the problem within 6 hours and took the bugged thingy down
follow instructions which have been given and shockingly it works!
note to self: assume 50% of the EVE universe can't read....o_0
Or maybe even following all the directions didn't work.
...
As for me, my Macbook Pro's battery died (whoops.) after having patched Eve and tried it out for a few minutes. I remember plugging it back in, restarting - and getting a "missing or corrupt HAL.DLL" error.
Good thing I had a macbook pro, right? I reboot in Mac, look online to find a solution, and get my hands on a replacement hal.dll file. Obviously, it didn't fix anything. I stumble on the Eve forums because I wanted to see what people thought of Trinity - and holy crap! Missing boot.ini's? Hal.dll file errors? So THAT's what happened.
Great.
I follow the directions to the "T". In fact, I spent my entire day yesterday trying to fix this. I tried so many different variations of the directions provided that frankly, I can't even think of anything else to do except format my Windows Partition and start clean. Nothing worked. I get a new boot.ini? Great. Except now I get, "missing dlls" errors. I find out those could be caused by incompatible HAL.dll files - great! That's just dandy. I erase my HAL.dll and try expand d:\i386\HAL.DL_ from the repair console - and that doesn't work either. I'm digressing. Back on point: I'm running around in circles trying to fix my computer and nothing short of nuking the drive seems to be the solution.
The point I'm at now is me trying a repair installation of Windows XP. I'm trying everything in my power to avoid having to clear out my windows partition. Sure, I have most of my irreplaceable work backed up on DVD (another perk of having a MacBook Pro! I could still access all my windows files from within the Mac side, so I was able to save what I need), but getting everything back to where it was BEFORE losing my boot.ini could take awhile. A long while.
Problem is, even repairing the install doesn't want to work. It freezes with about 32 minutes left in the installation.
I haven't come here to moan about my PC problems due to Trinity, but now, it's getting ridiculous for me. I blew my entire day fixing this, and have desperately tried to fix this all day at work now as well. I'm still miles away from getting Windows back up and running, and I'm starting to get slightly irritated at the situation.
Any other Macbook Pro users got any ideas? (I should also mention, at this point, there probably isn't anything left for me to do than to just nuke the whole partition...)
I have a macbook pro,
Boot off of your cd
go into recovery console (till you get to c prompt)
follow instructions on website
I fixed mine in 5 min.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:49:00 -
[1981]
Edited by: xBANDWAGONx on 07/12/2007 21:49:28
not sure if this has been discussed (as I can't be a$$'d to read through this entire thread), but the info CCP posted about the problem only affecting people with multiple hard drives, partitions and such is complete BS. I've got only one unpartitioned hard drive and was still affected by the issue.
Also, the easiest way to fix your problem if you were affected (ignore CCP's round about method) is to just open the recovery console and simply type "bootfix" ... problem solved in about 30 sec's.
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Zataaki
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:53:00 -
[1982]
Originally by: PsyMan
Edited by: PsyMan on 07/12/2007 12:18:19
Originally by: Zataaki
Edited by: Zataaki on 07/12/2007 10:54:28
Originally by: PsyMan
I will boot camp my mac and see how the boot.ini file works on a mac partition, I believe the hal.dll problem is a direct result of a missing boot.ini file. In any case it shouldn't take long to do a skeleton install of windows xp and get back
Awesome thanks, it's like 3 AM here and I'm gonna sleep but I'll check this thread again in the morning.
edit: I forgot to mention my Windows partition is NTFS while it's usually FAT32 with bootcamp. I'm also using windows xp home edition service pack 2.
Sleep well, I can confirm that the hal.dll screen on boot is a direct result of the boot.ini file being removed as I have boot camped my imac and deleted it (backing it up) and the resulting boot gives me exactly the same problem. I also opted for an ntfs partition which makes things a little tricky but not impossible to fix. I am going to now fix it and document it HERE to save you searching this thread and to allow anyone else effected to hopefully repair their mac.
And sound and a Blue Screen happened to me too, it turned out to be faulty realtek onboard HD sound drivers, I updated the drivers from the realtek website and all was good in the world., annoying thing was it would only BS when I turned the armour repairer on.
Oh man you are awesome, thank you! Everything is working perfectly now
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:53:00 -
[1983]
Edited by: Diego Delarocha on 07/12/2007 21:55:22
Originally by: El Sp1c
Originally by: Diego Delarocha
Edited by: Diego Delarocha on 07/12/2007 20:50:20
Originally by: Lord Saradomin
why are people still having issues now? they found the problem within 6 hours and took the bugged thingy down
follow instructions which have been given and shockingly it works!
note to self: assume 50% of the EVE universe can't read....o_0
Or maybe even following all the directions didn't work.
...
As for me, my Macbook Pro's battery died (whoops.) after having patched Eve and tried it out for a few minutes. I remember plugging it back in, restarting - and getting a "missing or corrupt HAL.DLL" error.
Good thing I had a macbook pro, right? I reboot in Mac, look online to find a solution, and get my hands on a replacement hal.dll file. Obviously, it didn't fix anything. I stumble on the Eve forums because I wanted to see what people thought of Trinity - and holy crap! Missing boot.ini's? Hal.dll file errors? So THAT's what happened.
Great.
I follow the directions to the "T". In fact, I spent my entire day yesterday trying to fix this. I tried so many different variations of the directions provided that frankly, I can't even think of anything else to do except format my Windows Partition and start clean. Nothing worked. I get a new boot.ini? Great. Except now I get, "missing dlls" errors. I find out those could be caused by incompatible HAL.dll files - great! That's just dandy. I erase my HAL.dll and try expand d:\i386\HAL.DL_ from the repair console - and that doesn't work either. I'm digressing. Back on point: I'm running around in circles trying to fix my computer and nothing short of nuking the drive seems to be the solution.
The point I'm at now is me trying a repair installation of Windows XP. I'm trying everything in my power to avoid having to clear out my windows partition. Sure, I have most of my irreplaceable work backed up on DVD (another perk of having a MacBook Pro! I could still access all my windows files from within the Mac side, so I was able to save what I need), but getting everything back to where it was BEFORE losing my boot.ini could take awhile. A long while.
Problem is, even repairing the install doesn't want to work. It freezes with about 32 minutes left in the installation.
I haven't come here to moan about my PC problems due to Trinity, but now, it's getting ridiculous for me. I blew my entire day fixing this, and have desperately tried to fix this all day at work now as well. I'm still miles away from getting Windows back up and running, and I'm starting to get slightly irritated at the situation.
Any other Macbook Pro users got any ideas? (I should also mention, at this point, there probably isn't anything left for me to do than to just nuke the whole partition...)
I have a macbook pro,
Boot off of your cd
go into recovery console (till you get to c prompt)
follow instructions on website
I fixed mine in 5 min.
Booting off the CD and trying bootcfg /rebuild got me a new boot.ini.
It also didn't fix the problem: Instead, I get: "Load need DLL's for kernel." Solution for that is apparently replacing your Hal.dll with the boot disc with "expand d:\i386\HAL.dl_" to the windows\system32 folder; but that didn't work either. In other words, the recovery prompt methods didn't do anything for me.
Neither did bootfix.
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Shardhard
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Posted - 2007.12.07 21:58:00 -
[1984]
"follow instructions which have been given and shockingly it works!"
Except when it doesn't, as in my case.
Fortunately, my tech guys fixed this for free; they were bored, I'm a good customer, and they hate to see a solid rig like mine under the weather.
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Colonel Maxell
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Posted - 2007.12.07 22:45:00 -
[1985]
I am still in shock that this patch was obviously not fully tested by EVE!!
How about a months free subscription for the mistake? (May even encourage a little more testing!)
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Cyriel Longinus
XERCORE
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:05:00 -
[1986]
Whenever EvE has a big update, it is always best to uninstall EVE, download a full client and install fresh.
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hundurinn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:08:00 -
[1987]
Originally by: Colonel Maxell
I am still in shock that this patch was obviously not fully tested by EVE!!
How about a months free subscription for the mistake? (May even encourage a little more testing!)
They have never given free subscription and are not gona start now. Stop whining and enjoy that you didn't have to pay for this upgrade.
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Tarik ThunderStorm
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:21:00 -
[1988]
Nobody answered any of my questions in my previous posts.
Any idea why some computers with Windows XP have no boot.ini and work fine yet other don't?
Also, wasn't this issue fixed? Many people have posted that they have downloaded the classic to premium patch today (this afternoon GMT time) and yet still get the same boot.ini deletion error. Wasn't it supposed to be solved after 4AM on the 6th GMT???
Anyway, good luck to all. After downloading the classic to premium patch, I have uninstalled eve and busy downloading the full client. A biatch to download but oh well. Better safe than sorry.
Cheers to all.
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Etrias Jhozah
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:30:00 -
[1989]
Originally by: Tarik ThunderStorm
Nobody answered any of my questions in my previous posts.
Any idea why some computers with Windows XP have no boot.ini and work fine yet other don't?
Also, wasn't this issue fixed? Many people have posted that they have downloaded the classic to premium patch today (this afternoon GMT time) and yet still get the same boot.ini deletion error. Wasn't it supposed to be solved after 4AM on the 6th GMT???
Anyway, good luck to all. After downloading the classic to premium patch, I have uninstalled eve and busy downloading the full client. A biatch to download but oh well. Better safe than sorry.
Cheers to all.
Could be that people are not turning off the hidden files in their folder view. Also, there's a button to show system files as well, so they could be there as well.
As for people missing the file and still being able to boot...well, that could be that you are on a single drive/single partition system where it may not need the boot.ini file if your system was installed to Windows defaults and knows where to look to start the OS. I know some Dells have a small utility partition that can mess things up from the default and it won't know where the partition is for the Windows directory.
That's my best guess...but it's a good one.
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Breeker
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:45:00 -
[1990]
Originally by: hundurinn
Originally by: Colonel Maxell
I am still in shock that this patch was obviously not fully tested by EVE!!
How about a months free subscription for the mistake? (May even encourage a little more testing!)
They have never given free subscription and are not gona start now. Stop whining and enjoy that you didn't have to pay for this upgrade.
I'll hazzard a guess that there are hundreds of people that have had to pay to have there computer fixed after CCP's lack of testing.. Not such a free patch after all eh?? And comments like that aren't really useful are they??
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Colonel Maxell
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:53:00 -
[1991]
Originally by: hundurinn
They have never given free subscription and are not gona start now. Stop whining and enjoy that you didn't have to pay for this upgrade.
I didn't pay for the upgrade. What are you talking about? I pay a monthly subscription the only game I do in fact. I therefore expect full testing and high quality game updates nothing less.
Must learn to do some trading with you in game
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Sister Libertina
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Posted - 2007.12.07 23:56:00 -
[1992]
/me starts bolting a reinforced concrete lid on this thread. just need to find that damn boot.ini file to complete the operation. damn someone call a lawyer PLEASE!
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xh'etan
Caldari
NET Profit Trading
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:06:00 -
[1993]
Sorry if this has been covered already, I am just to lazy to trawl through the many comments.
I have been affected, fixed and not moaned just got on with it :)
But what I cannot for the life of me get to grips with is what the hell were ccp doing around the root folder of your hdd and messing with the boot.ini, this has nothing to do with ccp but it must have been so silly to miss a path which directly meant you were cleaning out old stuff and all your bad code could find in the route was a boot.ini as eve has one as well.
No wonder you have had probs being declared as viral in the past lol.
I am not sure how ccp should respond to this 'gross misconduct' and how they plan on earning the trust of the player base again.
Again let me state that I was affected and have not moaned I just need a suitable answer to a mitigating circumstance that will satisfy my brain that this was not some hidden attempt to acheive god knows what.
My 2 cents.
xh'etan
Net Profit Trading Team |
Endemicus
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:08:00 -
[1994]
I installed the patch the night it came out (downloaded the premium upgrade from the website), installed it, checked it out briefly, then shut down my computer and went to bed. I have been unable to load into Windows ever since. I've tried reinstalling Windows, but my CD doesn't recognize my SATA controller and it requires me to load the driver from drive A. My computer does not have a floppy drive or even a floppy controller on the motherboard for that matter. How can I fix this?
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Etrias Jhozah
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:14:00 -
[1995]
Originally by: Endemicus
I installed the patch the night it came out (downloaded the premium upgrade from the website), installed it, checked it out briefly, then shut down my computer and went to bed. I have been unable to load into Windows ever since. I've tried reinstalling Windows, but my CD doesn't recognize my SATA controller and it requires me to load the driver from drive A. My computer does not have a floppy drive or even a floppy controller on the motherboard for that matter. How can I fix this?
Check out this link: boot.ini page from CCP
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Commander Korg
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:19:00 -
[1996]
does anyone have any suggestions on how to get my hd visible to windows? everything i try says no hard drive available? hard drives have different connections on my computers so i cant slave it and copy to it.
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Endemicus
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:19:00 -
[1997]
I have already gone through all the steps listed on that page. I get to the part where it has me boot from my Windows CD. My CD does not have built in drivers required to recognize my SATA controller. The only way XP will load the drivers is from drive A. I do not have a floppy drive and cannot add one because of the lack of a floppy controller on the motherboard to plug it into. The CD just tells me no harddrives could be found and closes. My OS was pre-installed and now I have no way to re-install it.
Originally by: Etrias Jhozah
Originally by: Endemicus
I installed the patch the night it came out (downloaded the premium upgrade from the website), installed it, checked it out briefly, then shut down my computer and went to bed. I have been unable to load into Windows ever since. I've tried reinstalling Windows, but my CD doesn't recognize my SATA controller and it requires me to load the driver from drive A. My computer does not have a floppy drive or even a floppy controller on the motherboard for that matter. How can I fix this?
Check out this link: boot.ini page from CCP
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xOm3gAx
Caldari
Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:25:00 -
[1998]
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 00:26:44
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 00:25:48
Originally by: Endemicus
I have already gone through all the steps listed on that page. I get to the part where it has me boot from my Windows CD. My CD does not have built in drivers required to recognize my SATA controller. The only way XP will load the drivers is from drive A. I do not have a floppy drive and cannot add one because of the lack of a floppy controller on the motherboard to plug it into. The CD just tells me no harddrives could be found and closes. My OS was pre-installed and now I have no way to re-install it.
Originally by: Etrias Jhozah
Originally by: Endemicus
I installed the patch the night it came out (downloaded the premium upgrade from the website), installed it, checked it out briefly, then shut down my computer and went to bed. I have been unable to load into Windows ever since. I've tried reinstalling Windows, but my CD doesn't recognize my SATA controller and it requires me to load the driver from drive A. My computer does not have a floppy drive or even a floppy controller on the motherboard for that matter. How can I fix this?
Check out this link: boot.ini page from CCP
Run notepad: copy / paste
**************************************
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
*****************************************
save as boot.ini in your root directory. Eg: C:\
Go to start menu --- run --- msconfig --- boot.ini
click check all boot paths should prompt for removal 14 times i think as long as it leaves 1 your ok hit apply then ok and reboot and u should be fine.
Linkage
Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Endemicus
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:31:00 -
[1999]
Did you even read my post? No Windows means no Start Menu, no icons, no Notepad, nothing. I have a DOS looking windows with a blinking cursor and an error message. Nothing more.
Originally by: xOm3gAx
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 00:26:44
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 00:25:48
Originally by: Endemicus
I have already gone through all the steps listed on that page. I get to the part where it has me boot from my Windows CD. My CD does not have built in drivers required to recognize my SATA controller. The only way XP will load the drivers is from drive A. I do not have a floppy drive and cannot add one because of the lack of a floppy controller on the motherboard to plug it into. The CD just tells me no harddrives could be found and closes. My OS was pre-installed and now I have no way to re-install it.
Originally by: Etrias Jhozah
Originally by: Endemicus
I installed the patch the night it came out (downloaded the premium upgrade from the website), installed it, checked it out briefly, then shut down my computer and went to bed. I have been unable to load into Windows ever since. I've tried reinstalling Windows, but my CD doesn't recognize my SATA controller and it requires me to load the driver from drive A. My computer does not have a floppy drive or even a floppy controller on the motherboard for that matter. How can I fix this?
Check out this link: boot.ini page from CCP
Run notepad: copy / paste
**************************************
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
*****************************************
save as boot.ini in your root directory. Eg: C:\
Go to start menu --- run --- msconfig --- boot.ini
click check all boot paths should prompt for removal 14 times i think as long as it leaves 1 your ok hit apply then ok and reboot and u should be fine.
Linkage
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:33:00 -
[2000]
Originally by: kc8yho
Edited by: kc8yho on 07/12/2007 07:20:36
read carefully it wipes out the c:\boot.ini c"\ inoperable and the second partiton all comes in operable including my hd linked to my comp by usb it made all crash and my usb hd wont work at all which had the customer info, it ran off of boot.ini along with windows ,
on c:
Therefore cust data and web site lost not ran from same computer just linked to it game cannot technically access info but if info on main hd is toasted for the shadow copy of windows so is the usb hd.!
both had to be formatted and reinstalled.
ccp better start crediting massivly S.*h.it, due to the simple fact they knew way before hand and then released it early without beta testing it fully first and fu.cking all us and it is illegal in the us due to the fact its neglect, and frivilant software if it can crash a system or cause damage to a system not of their own then by the computer piracy and crimes act of 1983 its considerd a computer crime or illicit virus"
frivilous in meanings and a fuc.k.up on their behalf if anyof us ever have to pay for a eve subscription again or a fuc.k.ed up patch ill sue there a.s.s.and im in the law buisness.
READ THE TOS you have no legal recourse. Second your explnation of how you had a usb harddrive linke to your computer makes no sence.
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shortattenionsp
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:39:00 -
[2001]
Originally by: xBANDWAGONx
Edited by: xBANDWAGONx on 07/12/2007 21:49:28
not sure if this has been discussed (as I can't be a$$'d to read through this entire thread), but the info CCP posted about the problem only affecting people with multiple hard drives, partitions and such is complete BS. I've got only one unpartitioned hard drive and was still affected by the issue.
Also, the easiest way to fix your problem if you were affected (ignore CCP's round about method) is to just open the recovery console and simply type "bootfix" ... problem solved in about 30 sec's.
People with one partion / disk are still affected. However windows XP tries to boot from the primary master if no boot.ini is there, so their computers work fine. I have no boot.ini right now on the computer I am typing this on.
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:40:00 -
[2002]
Edited by: BudzWRX on 08/12/2007 00:40:40
Originally by: kaylasoftdotnet
actually moron i have 3 degrees in each im a millitary police , sherrif deputy, and emergency mgmt so i promise you ive got your uncle beat in the surpassed post.,
also have multiple it degrees a+ cisco etc cert ethical hacker also,
as far as missconfigure goes try again,
you dont have that choice when you come back and find out the system is down and the windows youve been running fro a yr now jsut fine auto rebooting etc no problems is all jacked up after 1 6 hrs and a autoreboot,
and buisness is down reboto reform and deal qwith the data loss as quick as possible also as far as it being criminal YEs it is no contract you can make or Tos youc an make may override a Federal Law in the United Stated Or nor a stat law,
as set fourth and granted by the contstitutional ammendments and the bill fo rights and the bill of right ammendments as to the crime is legitimant under the 1983 computer crimes deffinition.
dude if you knew anything about computers you could have fixed your problem in 5 minutes
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CHAOS100
Momentum.
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:43:00 -
[2003]
Originally by: BudzWRX
Edited by: BudzWRX on 08/12/2007 00:40:40
Originally by: kaylasoftdotnet
actually moron i have 3 degrees in each im a millitary police , sherrif deputy, and emergency mgmt so i promise you ive got your uncle beat in the surpassed post.,
also have multiple it degrees a+ cisco etc cert ethical hacker also,
as far as missconfigure goes try again,
you dont have that choice when you come back and find out the system is down and the windows youve been running fro a yr now jsut fine auto rebooting etc no problems is all jacked up after 1 6 hrs and a autoreboot,
and buisness is down reboto reform and deal qwith the data loss as quick as possible also as far as it being criminal YEs it is no contract you can make or Tos youc an make may override a Federal Law in the United Stated Or nor a stat law,
as set fourth and granted by the contstitutional ammendments and the bill fo rights and the bill of right ammendments as to the crime is legitimant under the 1983 computer crimes deffinition.
dude if you knew anything about computers you could have fixed your problem in 5 minutes
Nice another ccp fanboi, maybe they should delete your windows directory and see if you still support them.
What if you are american and shut down for the night on the patch, cause of the fact that they informed nobody of their critical error until at least a good 6 hours after the patch? Then you boot up and it will take easy 5 minutes to fix it?
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Etrias Jhozah
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Posted - 2007.12.08 00:50:00 -
[2004]
Can't even get to the recovery console? If that doesn't work, what you might want to do is (and this might take time, but it's not hard) download a Knoppix Live CD ISO, burn it, boot to Knoppix and see if it can see your hard drive. I can't remember if you have to do anything special to make your drive read/write, but if you can see it, you might be able to copy the boot.ini from C:\windows\pss to the root of C:. It should be named something like boot.ini.bak. Change it to boot.ini and see if that helps.
If that doesn't work, I'd give them a call on the numbers they provided at the bottom of the link.
Originally by: Endemicus
Did you even read my post? No Windows means no Start Menu, no icons, no Notepad, nothing. I have a DOS looking windows with a blinking cursor and an error message. Nothing more.
Originally by: xOm3gAx
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 00:26:44
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 00:25:48
Originally by: Endemicus
I have already gone through all the steps listed on that page. I get to the part where it has me boot from my Windows CD. My CD does not have built in drivers required to recognize my SATA controller. The only way XP will load the drivers is from drive A. I do not have a floppy drive and cannot add one because of the lack of a floppy controller on the motherboard to plug it into. The CD just tells me no harddrives could be found and closes. My OS was pre-installed and now I have no way to re-install it.
Originally by: Etrias Jhozah
Originally by: Endemicus
I installed the patch the night it came out (downloaded the premium upgrade from the website), installed it, checked it out briefly, then shut down my computer and went to bed. I have been unable to load into Windows ever since. I've tried reinstalling Windows, but my CD doesn't recognize my SATA controller and it requires me to load the driver from drive A. My computer does not have a floppy drive or even a floppy controller on the motherboard for that matter. How can I fix this?
Check out this link: boot.ini page from CCP
Run notepad: copy / paste
**************************************
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
*****************************************
save as boot.ini in your root directory. Eg: C:\
Go to start menu --- run --- msconfig --- boot.ini
click check all boot paths should prompt for removal 14 times i think as long as it leaves 1 your ok hit apply then ok and reboot and u should be fine.
Linkage
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.08 01:01:00 -
[2005]
Originally by: CHAOS100
Originally by: BudzWRX
Edited by: BudzWRX on 08/12/2007 00:40:40
Originally by: kaylasoftdotnet
actually moron i have 3 degrees in each im a millitary police , sherrif deputy, and emergency mgmt so i promise you ive got your uncle beat in the surpassed post.,
also have multiple it degrees a+ cisco etc cert ethical hacker also,
as far as missconfigure goes try again,
you dont have that choice when you come back and find out the system is down and the windows youve been running fro a yr now jsut fine auto rebooting etc no problems is all jacked up after 1 6 hrs and a autoreboot,
and buisness is down reboto reform and deal qwith the data loss as quick as possible also as far as it being criminal YEs it is no contract you can make or Tos youc an make may override a Federal Law in the United Stated Or nor a stat law,
as set fourth and granted by the contstitutional ammendments and the bill fo rights and the bill of right ammendments as to the crime is legitimant under the 1983 computer crimes deffinition.
dude if you knew anything about computers you could have fixed your problem in 5 minutes
Nice another ccp fanboi, maybe they should delete your windows directory and see if you still support them.
What if you are american and shut down for the night on the patch, cause of the fact that they informed nobody of their critical error until at least a good 6 hours after the patch? Then you boot up and it will take easy 5 minutes to fix it?[/quote
yes 5 minutes
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sssenteew
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Posted - 2007.12.08 01:13:00 -
[2006]
Quote:
For the record, I DON'T have a boot.ini file and rebooted fine...no idea why, but it worksed. Still plan on fixing it though.
Same thing, you do still have the boot.ini, you just don't see it, because you haven't enabled it to be visible,otherwise, you wouldn't have booted normally.
mine is doing something similar.... although i did originally have a visible "boot.ini" and not realizing it installed the version that deleted it but now i seem to be booting off of my "d:\"instead of my "c:\"..... if it is there and i just dont see it then why could i see it before and why is it suddenly giving me the error saying it is not able to reset file permissions??????? I have also tried every thing (except using a xp disk to repair it) and no matter where i put the downloaded "boot.ini" file from ccp, it dosnt show up on the "MSCONFIG" option as a "boot.ini tab", why is this?
(yes i have put it in C:\ all on its own and it still didnt work)
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.08 01:19:00 -
[2007]
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 08/12/2007 01:19:47
Originally by: kc8yho
Edited by: kc8yho on 07/12/2007 07:20:36
read carefully it wipes out the c:\boot.ini c"\ inoperable and the second partiton all comes in operable including my hd linked to my comp by usb it made all crash and my usb hd wont work at all which had the customer info, it ran off of boot.ini along with windows ,
on c:
Therefore cust data and web site lost not ran from same computer just linked to it game cannot technically access info but if info on main hd is toasted for the shadow copy of windows so is the usb hd.!
both had to be formatted and reinstalled.
ccp better start crediting massivly S.*h.it, due to the simple fact they knew way before hand and then released it early without beta testing it fully first and fu.cking all us and it is illegal in the us due to the fact its neglect, and frivilant software if it can crash a system or cause damage to a system not of their own then by the computer piracy and crimes act of 1983 its considerd a computer crime or illicit virus"
frivilous in meanings and a fuc.k.up on their behalf if anyof us ever have to pay for a eve subscription again or a fuc.k.ed up patch ill sue there a.s.s.and im in the law buisness.
Frankly put without any disrespect intended whatsoever, but this aint the US, so your pretty acts, constitution etc. Mean absolutely zilch. If you were any sort of competent law student of any kind, you'd know that.
Nice try though.
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xOm3gAx
Caldari
Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.12.08 02:33:00 -
[2008]
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 02:33:29
Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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xOm3gAx
Caldari
Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.12.08 02:36:00 -
[2009]
Originally by: Endemicus
Did you even read my post? No Windows means no Start Menu, no icons, no Notepad, nothing. I have a DOS looking windows with a blinking cursor and an error message. Nothing more.
Originally by: xOm3gAx
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 00:26:44
Edited by: xOm3gAx on 08/12/2007 00:25:48
Originally by: Endemicus
I have already gone through all the steps listed on that page. I get to the part where it has me boot from my Windows CD. My CD does not have built in drivers required to recognize my SATA controller. The only way XP will load the drivers is from drive A. I do not have a floppy drive and cannot add one because of the lack of a floppy controller on the motherboard to plug it into. The CD just tells me no harddrives could be found and closes. My OS was pre-installed and now I have no way to re-install it.
Originally by: Etrias Jhozah
Originally by: Endemicus
I installed the patch the night it came out (downloaded the premium upgrade from the website), installed it, checked it out briefly, then shut down my computer and went to bed. I have been unable to load into Windows ever since. I've tried reinstalling Windows, but my CD doesn't recognize my SATA controller and it requires me to load the driver from drive A. My computer does not have a floppy drive or even a floppy controller on the motherboard for that matter. How can I fix this?
Check out this link: boot.ini page from CCP
Run notepad: copy / paste
**************************************
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(2)partition(5)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
*****************************************
save as boot.ini in your root directory. Eg: C:\
Go to start menu --- run --- msconfig --- boot.ini
click check all boot paths should prompt for removal 14 times i think as long as it leaves 1 your ok hit apply then ok and reboot and u should be fine.
Linkage
You can achieve the same thing using dos or the recovery console on your windows xp cd or what ever came with the pc that has windows on it. The only dif is you have to enter it manually. I'll let you google that though since your such a *****.
Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Serenity Lucifari
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Posted - 2007.12.08 02:39:00 -
[2010]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 08/12/2007 01:19:47
Originally by: kc8yho
Edited by: kc8yho on 07/12/2007 07:20:36
read carefully it wipes out the c:\boot.ini c"\ inoperable and the second partiton all comes in operable including my hd linked to my comp by usb it made all crash and my usb hd wont work at all which had the customer info, it ran off of boot.ini along with windows ,
on c:
Therefore cust data and web site lost not ran from same computer just linked to it game cannot technically access info but if info on main hd is toasted for the shadow copy of windows so is the usb hd.!
both had to be formatted and reinstalled.
ccp better start crediting massivly S.*h.it, due to the simple fact they knew way before hand and then released it early without beta testing it fully first and fu.cking all us and it is illegal in the us due to the fact its neglect, and frivilant software if it can crash a system or cause damage to a system not of their own then by the computer piracy and crimes act of 1983 its considerd a computer crime or illicit virus"
frivilous in meanings and a fuc.k.up on their behalf if anyof us ever have to pay for a eve subscription again or a fuc.k.ed up patch ill sue there a.s.s.and im in the law buisness.
Frankly put without any disrespect intended whatsoever, but this aint the US, so your pretty acts, constitution etc. Mean absolutely zilch. If you were any sort of competent law student of any kind, you'd know that.
Nice try though.
Actually US law does apply to the game since it was marketed in the US but only to a limited extent. More importantly however his claims are a joke at best if he ever read the TOS and EULA CCP have covered their rear ends =)
Bottom line is things happen its a software proggy a simple typographical error in the code can cause quite a bit of damage. I wrote an irc client once and in one of the updates i made a simple mistake and it would wipe your hard drive =P
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Oxnard
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Posted - 2007.12.08 02:53:00 -
[2011]
I checked my boot.ini and found this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition" /noexecute=optin /fastdetect
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
When I ran boot check log thing it said that:
C:\CMDCONS\BOOTSECT.DAT="Microsoft Windows Recovery Console" /cmdcons
was not a valid directory do you want to get rid of it, I havent yet I need help also this thing says:
/noexecute=optin
so Idk what to do I need some help.
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Kraftsims
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Posted - 2007.12.08 03:16:00 -
[2012]
I'm in trouble. I'm using my company laptop to make this post as my desktop pc at home is sitting there with a dark screen and a blinking cursor. Nada, zip, zero, won't do anything. I read about the boot.ini deal ad nauseum on here, tried to ensure it wouldn't be a problem, but evidently I did something wrong in my analyzing the vulnerability of the computer.
Evidently, when I purchased this emachine, it came with windows media edition. It either didn't have a bootable disk or I've lost it. Either way, I don't have an ability to boot from a disk right now. I have no idea what to do. I'm not a techie type, just an average user. My computer is dead, won't boot past the bios boot screen (or whatever that is called, with the huge "e".
Any recommendations on what I can do other than taking my computer into a computer shop?
Thanks
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Plutonian
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.12.08 03:20:00 -
[2013]
After a 2-hour search for the damn XP discs, and then digging into BIOS to find out why my computer won't boot from cd rom, and then rebuilding the OS, I have to say it wasn't the night I'd planned on.
Honestly CCP, did no one there even think about testing the upgrade before releasing it? What the hell?
And did you not once think of setting up a 24/7 phone number to walk people through fixing this problem caused by your software? Did the thought even occur? Are you aware your generic walk-through fix does not take into account the variety of machine setups out there? Are you aware that, unless a second computer exist in the household, customers who have had their computer turned into an expensive paperweight have no means of finding the solution? Does that even matter to you?
The incompetence displayed in this incident is criminal. And hiding behind the EULA while failing to do everything in your power to help those affected by your mistake is unethical.
Unbelievable.
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Hetsul
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Posted - 2007.12.08 03:30:00 -
[2014]
I wonder how many subscriptions were canceled over this? Anyone trying to put out lawsuits or anything? heh.. Don't let CCP die over something so minor >_< They were quick to notice the problem and try to resolve it ;o
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MarkShadow
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Posted - 2007.12.08 03:41:00 -
[2015]
Hey you all
When i rebooted computer my boot.ini file was deleted, but OS was able to boot from windows so my PC was OK. I fixed my boot.ini file like this:
1. I copy boot.ini file from EVE or CCP directory (C:\CCP\EVE\boot.ini) or if you have other directory of EVE like singularity on another parition where you got boot.ini file
2. I paste it on C:\ open it with notepad and paste this:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect
Every OS have diferent number or diferent number of primary partition
if you got OS on partition one (1)
3. I saved it on C:\ boot.ini
4. Then type in run cmd
5. On prompted then type bootcfg
6. It will find your boot.ini (if it says like in step 2 it is OK)
7. Type msconfig
8. If it is OK, the message is like that: It appears that all BOOT. INI lines for Microsoft operating systems are OK.
9. Then i rebooted my PC again
10. Everything works fine. And i type again step 4, 5, 7.
It is OK now.
You can find your data boot.ini file in C:\WINDOWS\pss\ boot.ini.backup, make a copy of it on your OS partition c:\ or other and delete the ".backup" extension
How to find boot.ini.backup: go to c:\Windows\ directory, right clik on it and clik on properties, under the attributes check hidden, need to wait for some time, find folder PPS, inside is boot.ini.backup.
You can use some info. from this sites 
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184/
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/289022/
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Cowerd
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Posted - 2007.12.08 03:54:00 -
[2016]
Edited by: Cowerd on 08/12/2007 03:56:23
Originally by: Kraftsims
I'm in trouble. I'm using my company laptop to make this post as my desktop pc at home is sitting there with a dark screen and a blinking cursor. Nada, zip, zero, won't do anything. I read about the boot.ini deal ad nauseum on here, tried to ensure it wouldn't be a problem, but evidently I did something wrong in my analyzing the vulnerability of the computer.
Evidently, when I purchased this emachine, it came with windows media edition. It either didn't have a bootable disk or I've lost it. Either way, I don't have an ability to boot from a disk right now. I have no idea what to do. I'm not a techie type, just an average user. My computer is dead, won't boot past the bios boot screen (or whatever that is called, with the huge "e".
Any recommendations on what I can do other than taking my computer into a computer shop?
Thanks
I Also have Windows Media on an Compaq PC i never got any restore disk with the thing , What you do is the when the Compaq hp spash screen pops up you hold F10 for restore PC. on the screen you have several options. Damaging Restore(Full format and reinstall Windows) and using a restore point (from your hard drive) try restoring from a previous point first. Some people will have set the machine to take a snapshot some didnt know or whatever reason didnt set it up and wont have one. If you do have it restore back to a date BEFORE the patch and should be ok.
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Bluebear8
Orion Ore International
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Posted - 2007.12.08 04:52:00 -
[2017]
Goodbye data. None of the repair options work.
Final step before tossing the box away - take the box to the shop for a professional reformat and reinstall.
/me none to happy about this expense, particularly while someone is charging me to play a game ... but, misery loves company, right?
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ShadowLZ
Minmatar
DarkVengeance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:10:00 -
[2018]
Hmm winders working fine here, i have noticed a problem when i reboot says somethng like
"boot.ini failed
Booting from c://WINDOWS/"
So far hasn't caused any problems but making my book time 2 sec slower >.<
lol been rebooting all day and all of yesterday b/c i was installing something and had to reinstall it like 10 times. Downloaded my package around 03:40 or so.
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Devick Baalreth
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:26:00 -
[2019]
Originally by: El Sp1c
Edited by: El Sp1c on 07/12/2007 19:05:47
Originally by: Devick Bane
Originally by: Maxus Cynus
Well this confirms that I shouldn't resubscribe even for a month to check out this "awesome" new update.
Regarding the EULA, in Iceland you can NOT waive your legally guarded rights so the EULA will not make CCP exempt from the damage they have caused. However the blame culture has not yet, thankfully, seeped into the national psyche here.
However the same may be true in other European countries, the EULA is not a carte blanche for CCP to mess up your PC.
If CCP think that they can hide behind their EULA they are perhaps going to find out the hard way that the world doesn't work like that. They better compensate their users even if it will cost them millions of Euros because the alternative will be millions more of Euros.
Your mistake is thinking that you can charge them with something without proving intent or motive. Read previous post about criminal law.
this wouldn't be considered criminal
As much as you are going to try to push the fact that the EULA won't protect the company from damages you recieved... It unfortunately will. If you wish to challenge them I suggest you read them first. Suggested Sections of the EULA you need to read before making any forum complaint or civil action are:
12. NO WARRANTIES
13. DISCLAIMER OF DAMAGES
14. LIMITATION OF LIABILITY
Best one
16. GOVERNING LAW AND EXCLUSIVE FORUM
-first line of 12 is an "AS IS" statement.
-13 states what damage they not liable for or limited too being protect from by your contractual agreement
-14 states what they are maximum liable for should something occur.
-16 is the kicker, if you contest these issues the governing body of said issues would be the Republic of Iceland.
http://europa.eu/abc/european_countries/index_en.htm
iceland is not part of the European union and is not forcably subject to it. EULA 16 comes into play. United States of America is not a governing body of Iceland.
In other words you cannot use any countries law against CCP without it being a law of Iceland. Internet based companies do not register their business in every country that has internet access.
I dislike the fact that it happened and it caused many people to lose information due to lack of means to repair the system in their situation. I agreed to the AS IS EULA and is a legal document to agree to in Iceland. CCP has done more then most companies that are liable have to fix the problem and even given many resources and steps to return the computer to its original running state. In essence they where required to do nothing, but did.
If your lawyer wants to file with the governing entity of Iceland then they can try.
I am not a representative of CCP and never claimed to be. I just know how to read and when to read.
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mishkoff
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:26:00 -
[2020]
Edited by: mishkoff on 08/12/2007 05:27:32
Originally by: Serenity Lucifari
Actually US law does apply to the game since it was marketed in the US but only to a limited extent. More importantly however his claims are a joke at best if he ever read the TOS and EULA CCP have covered their rear ends =)
Bottom line is things happen its a software proggy a simple typographical error in the code can cause quite a bit of damage. I wrote an irc client once and in one of the updates i made a simple mistake and it would wipe your hard drive =P
I personaly wouldnt stand to confident behind the EULA in court. The Sickening thing about our court system is anything can happen.
The patch wasnt advertised as a bugged piece of crap. It was advertised as a magical universe, with all kinds of fantastical happenings. Kind of like the glorious emails you get asking for 25 grand to recover your dead long lost ancestors possesions.
With regards to the location of the services provided it IS the U.S.
Search Europe, anti trust, microsoft. See what pops up. That pretty much solves the issue that if CCP wants to do business outside of Iceland they do what the Romans do, or else lose large swathes of viable markets.
CCP aint Microsoft.
THEY CAVED INTO CHINA for christs sake. So the area they are doing business in does matter. I guess no one remembers that.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:33:00 -
[2021]
Edited by: Devick Bane on 08/12/2007 05:35:02
Originally by: mishkoff
Edited by: mishkoff on 08/12/2007 05:27:32
Originally by: Serenity Lucifari
Actually US law does apply to the game since it was marketed in the US but only to a limited extent. More importantly however his claims are a joke at best if he ever read the TOS and EULA CCP have covered their rear ends =)
Bottom line is things happen its a software proggy a simple typographical error in the code can cause quite a bit of damage. I wrote an irc client once and in one of the updates i made a simple mistake and it would wipe your hard drive =P
I personaly wouldnt stand to confident behind the EULA in court. The Sickening thing about our court system is anything can happen.
The patch wasnt advertised as a bugged piece of crap. It was advertised as a magical universe, with all kinds of fantastical happenings. Kind of like the glorious emails you get asking for 25 grand to recover your dead long lost ancestors possesions.
With regards to the location of the services provided it IS the U.S.
Search Europe, anti trust, microsoft. See what pops up. That pretty much solves the issue that if CCP wants to do business outside of Iceland they do what the Romans do, or else lose large swathes of viable markets.
CCP aint Microsoft.
THEY CAVED INTO CHINA for christs sake. So the area they are doing business in does matter. I guess no one remembers that.
Microsoft is a registered Company in most of those countries and being that as it is they are subject to direct action from those countries. Microsoft does not have an EULA for their products stating that it can only be subject to the laws of the US.
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With regards to the location of the services provided it IS the U.S.
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That is a common mistake when it comes to the internet, its not so much where the service is provided too but where it is provided from.
and you are right, CCP is not Microsoft. Having said that they are not subject to the same extent of Countries local laws because they are not registered businesses in that country. Redirect your issues with the Goverment of the Republic if Iceland's Legal system.
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mishkoff
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:37:00 -
[2022]
Originally by: Devick Bane
Microsoft is a registered Company in most of those countries and being that as it is they are subject to direct action from those countries. Microsoft does not have an EULA for their products stating that it can only be subject to the laws of the US.
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With regards to the location of the services provided it IS the U.S.
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That is a common mistake when it comes to the internet, its not so much where the service is provided too but where it is provided from.
and you are right, CCP is not Microsoft. Having said that they are not subject to the same extent of Countries local laws because they are not registered businesses in that country. Redirect your issues with the Goverment of the Republic if Iceland's Legal system.
SO uyouy are saying that the U.S could not affect CCPS business practices in the U.S?
That is all I am asking.
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:39:00 -
[2023]
you guys talk alot but i would like to see you go hire an attorney
maby you could find a small claims attorny stupid enough to take it on contingency
or hopefully you have 5,000.00 for a retainer
o and that will be exausted before he or she even figures out what hapend edzactly
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Devlynn
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:52:00 -
[2024]
read 20 pages of Bull ****. Im stoping payment and you can email me when you repair your patch. I dont have the advanced graphics and my boot ini is intact but I cant leave the station. I will not pay $ for **** poor programing. Fire them and hire some inteligent programmers or welcome to the unemployemt line.
regards
Devlynn
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Devick Baalreth
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:55:00 -
[2025]
Originally by: mishkoff
Originally by: Devick Bane
Microsoft is a registered Company in most of those countries and being that as it is they are subject to direct action from those countries. Microsoft does not have an EULA for their products stating that it can only be subject to the laws of the US.
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With regards to the location of the services provided it IS the U.S.
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That is a common mistake when it comes to the internet, its not so much where the service is provided too but where it is provided from.
and you are right, CCP is not Microsoft. Having said that they are not subject to the same extent of Countries local laws because they are not registered businesses in that country. Redirect your issues with the Goverment of the Republic if Iceland's Legal system.
SO uyouy are saying that the U.S could not affect CCPS business practices in the U.S?
That is all I am asking.
US Government can stop them from providing a service inside the US. However, its to trivial for them to bother. But in order to take legal action against the company they need to do it in the Iceland court system.
Note the difference between controlling something within their own borders, and then controlling something outside of it.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.08 05:56:00 -
[2026]
Originally by: Devlynn
read 20 pages of Bull ****. Im stoping payment and you can email me when you repair your patch. I dont have the advanced graphics and my boot ini is intact but I cant leave the station. I will not pay $ for **** poor programing. Fire them and hire some inteligent programmers or welcome to the unemployemt line.
regards
Devlynn
Sorry to hear. Good luck!
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mishkoff
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Posted - 2007.12.08 06:08:00 -
[2027]
Originally by: Devick Baalreth
Originally by: mishkoff
Originally by: Devick Bane
Microsoft is a registered Company in most of those countries and being that as it is they are subject to direct action from those countries. Microsoft does not have an EULA for their products stating that it can only be subject to the laws of the US.
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With regards to the location of the services provided it IS the U.S.
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That is a common mistake when it comes to the internet, its not so much where the service is provided too but where it is provided from.
and you are right, CCP is not Microsoft. Having said that they are not subject to the same extent of Countries local laws because they are not registered businesses in that country. Redirect your issues with the Goverment of the Republic if Iceland's Legal system.
SO uyouy are saying that the U.S could not affect CCPS business practices in the U.S?
That is all I am asking.
US Government can stop them from providing a service inside the US. However, its to trivial for them to bother. But in order to take legal action against the company they need to do it in the Iceland court system.
Note the difference between controlling something within their own borders, and then controlling something outside of it.
I do see the difference. Dont get me wrong I understand where youy are coming from. I was Affected by this patch, but wouldnt go as far as these people are saying. I simply wont word of mouth endorse their product anymore. That is as far as I am going.
I am just putting a little economics into the courtroom arguements here.
It isnt "trivial"
The U.S represents a large market for MMOs. Same with China. They produced a new server to operate in China within the confines of their In-Country internet laws. Laws that around the world that are still being formed. In a U.S courtroom there are unfortunteluy so many variables to the outcome of a trial it is not necessarily easy to predict an outcome.
I could definately see them settling a liability suit to maintain their market share in the U.S.
Like everyone has been saying, this wasnt THAT big of a deal, however would CCP give up all those kiddies paying 15 bucks a month over a small fine?
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Devick Baalreth
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Posted - 2007.12.08 06:20:00 -
[2028]
Originally by: mishkoff
Originally by: Devick Baalreth
Originally by: mishkoff
Originally by: Devick Bane
Microsoft is a registered Company in most of those countries and being that as it is they are subject to direct action from those countries. Microsoft does not have an EULA for their products stating that it can only be subject to the laws of the US.
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With regards to the location of the services provided it IS the U.S.
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That is a common mistake when it comes to the internet, its not so much where the service is provided too but where it is provided from.
and you are right, CCP is not Microsoft. Having said that they are not subject to the same extent of Countries local laws because they are not registered businesses in that country. Redirect your issues with the Goverment of the Republic if Iceland's Legal system.
SO uyouy are saying that the U.S could not affect CCPS business practices in the U.S?
That is all I am asking.
US Government can stop them from providing a service inside the US. However, its to trivial for them to bother. But in order to take legal action against the company they need to do it in the Iceland court system.
Note the difference between controlling something within their own borders, and then controlling something outside of it.
I do see the difference. Dont get me wrong I understand where youy are coming from. I was Affected by this patch, but wouldnt go as far as these people are saying. I simply wont word of mouth endorse their product anymore. That is as far as I am going.
I am just putting a little economics into the courtroom arguements here.
It isnt "trivial"
The U.S represents a large market for MMOs. Same with China. They produced a new server to operate in China within the confines of their In-Country internet laws. Laws that around the world that are still being formed. In a U.S courtroom there are unfortunteluy so many variables to the outcome of a trial it is not necessarily easy to predict an outcome.
I could definately see them settling a liability suit to maintain their market share in the U.S.
Like everyone has been saying, this wasnt THAT big of a deal, however would CCP give up all those kiddies paying 15 bucks a month over a small fine?
There are people who do nothing but think of contracts. Argument over EULA 16 would fall under the whole "we spent a bit of time thinking of it". You would not be able to use the game in the US if the contract was prohibited by law. Besides, if you want to bring economics in the court room, CCP just boosted a lot of computer repair companies/businesses production which is now taxable by the goverment due to it being a service from a comp/business. Foremost, the government wouldn't really be making any money since the fight would occur in Iceland.
But you are right, CCP would do anything in its power short of blowing more money then it would make if it had a risk of losing the source. I doubt you will see them in court, highly. However, I can see them doing something in return to rectify the problem.
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mishkoff
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Posted - 2007.12.08 06:26:00 -
[2029]
We COULD do this all night. I think we may agree with each other a little more then either of us FULLY want to admit.
I will leave it at, CCP screwed up, it isnt the end of the world, and anyone who has SERIOUS grievances will hopefulluy be able to remedy the situation with CCP directly.
Good night.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.12.08 06:32:00 -
[2030]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/12/2007 06:32:22
This thread could grow larger than the Amarr 100 page whine thread...
I dont know the size of the largest thread ever on this forum, but 100 pages should be close?
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.08 07:22:00 -
[2031]
i have no dought there will be more posts in this thread once people get there computers working
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Wumpus Killer
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Posted - 2007.12.08 07:37:00 -
[2032]
What a beating....was smacked by this boot.ini thingy. Took me 15 min to dig out my OS disk and do the rebuild. Thank god I got another cpu so I could surf the web and find the ccp recommended fix procedure.
I had read about it at work while checking forums and was dreading coming home to find out if I was affected. This will kick someones butt if they don't have their OS rebuild disk available (i.e. like off at school or on the road).
Why am I posting...to just add my name to the list of those that got hit by it.
Wumpus Killer
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Phelanwolf
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Posted - 2007.12.08 07:39:00 -
[2033]
Howdy,
When I logged on again, I went to check this post for any new info. There was a BIG READ THIS FIRST with a link to another page that had other info on it:
----Begin Copy and Paste----
You must have Windows installed not on the primary partition.or
You must have at least 2 hard disks and the OS must be installed NOT on the primary, but the secondary hard disk.
If all these apply, you MAY be affected by a known problem with the Graphics Update system. All other users are unaffected by this issue. The Trinity update (including Premium Graphics Content) is now available for all users and this error has been corrected.
----End Copy and Paste----
I do not believe this info is correct. I am running a single partition (C:/) which is my primary as I only have a single 80 gig harddrive partitioned as such and I was affected by the corrupt boot.ini (or the hal.dll is missing from your boot.ini)
If I read the above info correctly, I SHOULD NOT have been affected by this; however it did happen to my system.
I am just adding some more info, hopefully to make sure that this issue is completely fixed in all cases. Sorry if I misunderstood the post :-)
Regards
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BudzWRX
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Posted - 2007.12.08 07:56:00 -
[2034]
Edited by: BudzWRX on 08/12/2007 07:58:15
there might be some configureations that cause it they havent stumbled across yet
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tai shang
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Posted - 2007.12.08 08:27:00 -
[2035]
Edited by: tai shang on 08/12/2007 08:29:26
Ok, I've searched the forums for about an hour now and I have found about 3 or 4 different answers to my problem.
I, following instructions in an e-mail from eve-online newsletter to use system restore, have apparently fried my comp. I restored to about 4 days ago, and it shut down, began to reboot, and displayed this message (typed exactly as it was shown): <Windows root>\System32\hal.dll.
ok. Now that I have said that, who can tell me what to do? A response that works will get 150 million isk from me. Seriously.
Finally, I would like to say this to CCP:
Many times, things have happened in which players ranted and raved, shouting their disspleasure. Honestly, I was always very understanding and forgiving, and not one to complain. On the few occasions that I needed to file a pettition, my issue was resolved fairly quickly. But now you have given me something to complain about. Your actions not only damaged my computer, but, the instructions given to me to prevent that from happening DID NOT WORK.
Thanks.
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Jadzeer DAXX
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.08 08:32:00 -
[2036]
Tai Shang - I had the missing hal file error message - follow the instructions about using the Windows OS CD-Rom (on the first post in this thread)to recover the boot,ini file and this should work - it worked for me and I'm a complete computer noob.
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tai shang
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Posted - 2007.12.08 08:40:00 -
[2037]
Edited by: tai shang on 08/12/2007 08:41:40
oops. sorry. Forgot to mention that I don't have that. At BEST, I'm not sure where it is. If I manage to find it, I will attempt that. Failing that however, is there anything else that will work?
But thanks anyway. I'll send ya something anyway.
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Cadela Fria
Amarr
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.08 08:53:00 -
[2038]
Originally by: Serenity Lucifari
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Edited by: Cadela Fria on 08/12/2007 01:19:47
Originally by: kc8yho
Edited by: kc8yho on 07/12/2007 07:20:36
read carefully it wipes out the c:\boot.ini c"\ inoperable and the second partiton all comes in operable including my hd linked to my comp by usb it made all crash and my usb hd wont work at all which had the customer info, it ran off of boot.ini along with windows ,
on c:
Therefore cust data and web site lost not ran from same computer just linked to it game cannot technically access info but if info on main hd is toasted for the shadow copy of windows so is the usb hd.!
both had to be formatted and reinstalled.
ccp better start crediting massivly S.*h.it, due to the simple fact they knew way before hand and then released it early without beta testing it fully first and fu.cking all us and it is illegal in the us due to the fact its neglect, and frivilant software if it can crash a system or cause damage to a system not of their own then by the computer piracy and crimes act of 1983 its considerd a computer crime or illicit virus"
frivilous in meanings and a fuc.k.up on their behalf if anyof us ever have to pay for a eve subscription again or a fuc.k.ed up patch ill sue there a.s.s.and im in the law buisness.
Frankly put without any disrespect intended whatsoever, but this aint the US, so your pretty acts, constitution etc. Mean absolutely zilch. If you were any sort of competent law student of any kind, you'd know that.
Nice try though.
Actually US law does apply to the game since it was marketed in the US but only to a limited extent. More importantly however his claims are a joke at best if he ever read the TOS and EULA CCP have covered their rear ends =)
Bottom line is things happen its a software proggy a simple typographical error in the code can cause quite a bit of damage. I wrote an irc client once and in one of the updates i made a simple mistake and it would wipe your hard drive =P
Actually US law doesn't apply at all...about the only thing that can be done, is stop CCP from marketing their game in the US. In which case I say, Welcome to the internet.
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Nerogk Shorn
Caldari
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.12.08 08:58:00 -
[2039]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 08/12/2007 06:32:22
This thread could grow larger than the Amarr 100 page whine thread...
I dont know the size of the largest thread ever on this forum, but 100 pages should be close?
The one on the Doomsday event or w/e on the test forums got to like 230 pages i think.
On other news I have to wait two weeks before i go back home to get my windows cd. Sounds like i'll be playing eve on mac OSX for a while. This pretty much blows.
D-F-A-A-B-A-A-S
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Jollygood69
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Posted - 2007.12.08 09:00:00 -
[2040]
I downloaded the Premium upgrade yesterday evening and since CCP have fixed this issue I had no problem with my boot.ini and PC is working just fine.
But before the upgrade I made a extra backup just to be 100% sure.
Some notes of my comp (before and after patch).
- Have a primary C-partition where the Windows-folder is located
- Have no boot.ini on the c-drive...this one is located on my D-partition. Have not made this config my self...Windows did it during it's installation
- Have no boot.ini tab in the msconfig utility
My boot.ini file:
[boot loader]
timeout=1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /NoExecute=OptIn
Perhaps it has already been meantioned but I put it here anyway:
> 1. Why do I need a boot.ini for Win XP Pro SP2? Why do I need it at all?.
> Anyway, Thought all the ini's went South with the advent of the
> Registry.
The purpose of the Boot.ini file in Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314081
If the file BOOT.INI is not found in the root directory NTLDR will continue
the boot sequence and attempt to load XP from the first partition of the
first disk, typically C:\.
You can avoid this error
[[ Boot.ini not found or invalid. Booting from C:\Windows ]]
"Invalid Boot.ini" or "Windows could not start" error messages when you
start your computer
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/330184
Using any boot.ini options from msconfig...
Safe-Mode Boot Switches for Windows Boot.ini File
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239780
Do a Search for desktop.ini and see how many you have.
BTW, You may have thought that *.com files have gone by the wayside as well.
NTDETECT.COM (NTDETECT detects installed hardware components when XP boots.)
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Hope this helps. Let us know.
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.08 09:47:00 -
[2041]
One question, and i'm not joking, has anyone that is in "DOS mode" tryed to use a floppy disk with someone elses boot.ini and copying it back to place?
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Fritz Zarathustra
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Posted - 2007.12.08 09:49:00 -
[2042]
Is there not anyone who had the "Load need DLL's for kernel" error on bootup, and solved it? :..(
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ENERGIZED
Shadows Weapons Advenced Tactical
SHADOW OF 7 JOKERS
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Posted - 2007.12.08 09:53:00 -
[2043]
Edited by: ENERGIZED on 08/12/2007 09:55:27
Hey I installed the patch on Dec 06th.
When I got up in the morning my pc wouldnt open up it wouldnt let me open up windows missing files and corruption,I got this on my screen ''Boot.ini not found windows cannot start'',I lost everything in my hard drive,I was shaking in anger, to see that such a professional gaming company could even allow such a big disaster get out of their site?Like come on don't we pay enough for you to prevent these kind of mystakes?I lost everything in my hard drive,cause now I cant even fix it on repair on windows cd or even try to reformat.I had tons of familly pictures,and very important documents, that had everything about my familly history,and alot more that just hurts to say.
I can't believe this it feels like a nightmare. I wonder if I petition it to CCP if they will replace my things I lost,they can sure replace our ships why not our pc's or more like hard-drives?I lost 500gig worth of items,songs,movies,pictures,documents,pdf,things I cannot ever get ever again I sure hope that CCP compensates those of us that lost out on our computers,alot of others in the game dont know much about how to fix their computers even if ccp explains how to fix boot.ini.
What if they have to go and get their computers fixed at a computer store? Whos going to pay the repairs?Whos going to reimburse them for the money they had to fork out to replace or fix the hard drive?I never thought this would ever happen,how is CCO going to replace this for us? send us a document to fill up and send us a replacement cheque with an amount for our loss? or replace our hard drive? give us a 6 month free subscription?If we would of done that to them, holyshyt the crap would of hit the fan they would be all over us like flies are to crap.
I am very upset at CCP's negligence to this matter.CCP should send everyone that plays the game a CCP-EVE-ONLINE HARD DRIVE only for the game,so if anything ever happens, you send it to ccp they replace it for a little$$$ and voila you will never loss your things ever again with a problem like this.Now I am just going to wait and see what is going to happen that CCP is going to do to either replace or reimburse us an amount or contact us with different options to whom we pick out 1 solution to what we would like to ease the pain and replace our losses.Now to start all over.
CO-CEO SW@T
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Wimwyn
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:08:00 -
[2044]
There is a couple of basic flaws in the arguement from people who have suffered from the major screw up - you think CCP and others who were fortunate not to suffer major grief even care.
We get an apology from CCP - grudging and many hours after the problem occurs. We get people coming on here calling other NooBs and idiots for not donig back-ups etc etc etc etc.
This is going to take CCP ages - if ever - to over come. It is very clear that CCP quality assurance department need to be given the sack very quickly. I will not be downloading this patch as it is very clear from other threads they have yet again made a total arse of it and not listening to people who test the thing eg implants, POS (list too long).
I will continue to read and post but CCP are not getting my custom till they come clean on this issue and an apology is not enough - explanations are needed.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:10:00 -
[2045]
ENERGIZED, if you haven't done anything drastic, you have not lost any data. All you need to do is restore the boot.ini file. Even if you cannot do that, someone should be able to retrieve the files from the harddrive for you.
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Galagon
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:13:00 -
[2046]
oh how i was looking foward to this upgrade! Now my computer is hosed, I had to do a system rebuild and now my graphics and sound cards do not work. And since I have clone jumped since the upgrade have lost all my implants and hardwires. Merry Christmas. I will endevor to try to fix my computer , BUT WOULD LIKE MY IMPLANTS WORTH BILLIONS back. Very unsatisfied customer
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Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:18:00 -
[2047]
mabe its time for an official devblog.. on the current situation
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Hya Bam
Minmatar
101st LST
GHOST Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.08 10:38:00 -
[2048]
OK. I first patched the Classic EVE client on Dec. 5, when it came out. Then I upgraded to the Premium Content that same day. After numerous occasions of being turned on and off, by family members and friends using my computer, I decide to check out EVE and get a big warning on my screen: "DON'T REBOOT!" Puzzled, I come to this thread, and I find out about this horrific computer massacre! Curious, I look for my boot.ini file and, lo and behold, its missing. Now, I leave the room to look in my closet for my Windows CD, and return to find my brother shutting down my computer! NOOOOO! Tentatively, I press the power button to turn my computer back on.....and it works! I double check to see if I got my boot.ini file back, but it is still gone. Just to be sure, I reboot my computer again, and after the initial BIOS check screens, but before the Windows XP load screen, I notice a flicker of white text in the corner, saying something about BOOT.INI NOT FOUND. After that, everything loads perfectly, I get to my login screen, type my password, and.... something AWESOME happened! My CD-RW drive that I was trying to fix because Windows was detecting it as a CD-ROM, was finally detected as a CD-RW! Thank you, CCP, for screwing up everyone else's computers and fixing mine in the process!
As for the boot.ini file, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I don't think I'm going to worry about it.
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.08 11:14:00 -
[2049]
Can I ask a question about the partitions and the way they are listed in the boot.ini file
I have asked CCP about this I emailed them as instructed on their email they sent out 36 hours ago and still not had any kind of reply...is anyone getting support?
They should have a technical support thread on these forums manned 24/7 by as many professional advisors as they need to help everybody.....but that's another story.
Anyway back to the question:
I lost my boot.ini file but have rebuilt it using information from various threads (no one thread seems particularly reliable). It is now as follows:
[boot loader]
timeout=30
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP" /fastdetect
I'm pretty sure this is now ok but it's saying XP is on Partition 2 not 1 and I'd like to check this is correct.
If I use this boot.ini file and it should be 1 not 2 what would happen?
Is there a simple way to show all partitions on my C:\ drive as I know partitions are often hidden?
Is there a simple way to check which partition I should be using?
I used the step from the post by CCP Mindstar about running msconfig and downloading (http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/boot/winxpboot.ini) and this proceedure seems to indicate that my new boot.ini above is correct but in light of what could happen if it's wrong I really would like to check this first before rebooting.
Can any IT wizards out there shed any light on how to double/triple check the partition number is correct for different pc's.
Thanks
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Dionisius
Gallente
Vagabundos
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Posted - 2007.12.08 11:21:00 -
[2050]
Originally by: ENERGIZED
Edited by: ENERGIZED on 08/12/2007 09:55:27
Hey I installed the patch on Dec 06th.
When I got up in the morning my pc wouldnt open up it wouldnt let me open up windows missing files and corruption,I got this on my screen ''Boot.ini not found windows cannot start'',I lost everything in my hard drive,I was shaking in anger, to see that such a professional gaming company could even allow such a big disaster get out of their site?Like come on don't we pay enough for you to prevent these kind of mystakes?I lost everything in my hard drive,cause now I cant even fix it on repair on windows cd or even try to reformat.I had tons of familly pictures,and very important documents, that had everything about my familly history,and alot more that just hurts to say.
I can't believe this it feels like a nightmare. I wonder if I petition it to CCP if they will replace my things I lost,they can sure replace our ships why not our pc's or more like hard-drives?I lost 500gig worth of items,songs,movies,pictures,documents,pdf,things I cannot ever get ever again I sure hope that CCP compensates those of us that lost out on our computers,alot of others in the game dont know much about how to fix their computers even if ccp explains how to fix boot.ini.
What if they have to go and get their computers fixed at a computer store? Whos going to pay the repairs?Whos going to reimburse them for the money they had to fork out to replace or fix the hard drive?I never thought this would ever happen,how is CCO going to replace this for us? send us a document to fill up and send us a replacement cheque with an amount for our loss? or replace our hard drive? give us a 6 month free subscription?If we would of done that to them, holyshyt the crap would of hit the fan they would be all over us like flies are to crap.
I am very upset at CCP's negligence to this matter.CCP should send everyone that plays the game a CCP-EVE-ONLINE HARD DRIVE only for the game,so if anything ever happens, you send it to ccp they replace it for a little$$$ and voila you will never loss your things ever again with a problem like this.Now I am just going to wait and see what is going to happen that CCP is going to do to either replace or reimburse us an amount or contact us with different options to whom we pick out 1 solution to what we would like to ease the pain and replace our losses.Now to start all over.
How did you loose your files?
And people are paying to replace their HDDs?! WTF?! You meen system reinstall right?Because if the stores are wipping everything clean its bad practise on their part, you can recover everything from your drives.
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Li Rairakku
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Posted - 2007.12.08 11:43:00 -
[2051]
I am interpreting differing issues here, and I'm not sure what I should do. My husband runs XP whereas I run Vista. We both downloaded the Classic Client first. He had downloaded the Premium installation, implemented it, and then copied to to my downloads folder from his computer (to save me time later, when I got around to doing this).
My confusion is this:
Part of this message tells me to ignore this issue if I am running Vista.
Part of this message tells me that, if I cannot access my boot.ini, that I must take measures to repair my computer.
I think that this:
Quote:
C:\Users\****>bootcfg
ERROR: You are not authorized to modify the contents of boot.ini file.
means that I am suffering the latter of this situation, despite my supposed OS immunity?
Please respond.
Thank you.
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Kronarty
Amarr
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.12.08 11:49:00 -
[2052]
Originally by: Li Rairakku
I am interpreting differing issues here, and I'm not sure what I should do. My husband runs XP whereas I run Vista. We both downloaded the Classic Client first. He had downloaded the Premium installation, implemented it, and then copied to to my downloads folder from his computer (to save me time later, when I got around to doing this).
My confusion is this:
Part of this message tells me to ignore this issue if I am running Vista.
Part of this message tells me that, if I cannot access my boot.ini, that I must take measures to repair my computer.
I think that this:
Quote:
C:\Users\****>bootcfg
ERROR: You are not authorized to modify the contents of boot.ini file.
means that I am suffering the latter of this situation, despite my supposed OS immunity?
Please respond.
Thank you.
It does NOT affect Vista in any way.
You can happily reboot.
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Almethea
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.12.08 12:03:00 -
[2053]
Just add my face here for try to reach the "100"
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Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.12.08 12:08:00 -
[2054]
Originally by: ENERGIZED
Edited by: ENERGIZED on 08/12/2007 09:55:27
Hey I installed the patch on Dec 06th.
When I got up in the morning my pc wouldnt open up it wouldnt let me open up windows missing files and corruption,I got this on my screen ''Boot.ini not found windows cannot start'',I lost everything in my hard drive,I was shaking in anger, to see that such a professional gaming company could even allow such a big disaster get out of their site?Like come on don't we pay enough for you to prevent these kind of mystakes?I lost everything in my hard drive,cause now I cant even fix it on repair on windows cd or even try to reformat.I had tons of familly pictures,and very important documents, that had everything about my familly history,and alot more that just hurts to say.
I can't believe this it feels like a nightmare. I wonder if I petition it to CCP if they will replace my things I lost,they can sure replace our ships why not our pc's or more like hard-drives?I lost 500gig worth of items,songs,movies,pictures,documents,pdf,things I cannot ever get ever again I sure hope that CCP compensates those of us that lost out on our computers,alot of others in the game dont know much about how to fix their computers even if ccp explains how to fix boot.ini.
What if they have to go and get their computers fixed at a computer store? Whos going to pay the repairs?Whos going to reimburse them for the money they had to fork out to replace or fix the hard drive?I never thought this would ever happen,how is CCO going to replace this for us? send us a document to fill up and send us a replacement cheque with an amount for our loss? or replace our hard drive? give us a 6 month free subscription?If we would of done that to them, holyshyt the crap would of hit the fan they would be all over us like flies are to crap.
I am very upset at CCP's negligence to this matter.CCP should send everyone that plays the game a CCP-EVE-ONLINE HARD DRIVE only for the game,so if anything ever happens, you send it to ccp they replace it for a little$$$ and voila you will never loss your things ever again with a problem like this.Now I am just going to wait and see what is going to happen that CCP is going to do to either replace or reimburse us an amount or contact us with different options to whom we pick out 1 solution to what we would like to ease the pain and replace our losses.Now to start all over.
Just in case you did not do drastic stuff already:
Get a Linux LiveCD (like the install CD of Ubuntu, or the Knoppix live system, or any other flavour)! Start your comp. from that CD, open your windows partition (a single klick on the desktop item in knoppix) and burn your stuff to a DVD or copy it to a USB drive. Yes, its that simple.
Hope this helps.
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Layla
Dark and Light inc.
D-L
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Posted - 2007.12.08 12:10:00 -
[2055]
I just want CCP to know that you have effectively fried my old PC.
To say I am angry would be an under-statement.
I did download the new client in the early hours of the morning of patch day. I only have one partition. I get a corrupt boot.ini message.
When I try to use the recovery disk supplied by my PC manufacturer, it gets as far as, "setting up windows" and then dies. Eevery time. I have tried different recovery discs and a Windows installation disc and get the same result every time.
I am not impressed with the "local" help numbers supplied. I live in UK, second largest player base iirc, and no local number. I'm not throwing good money after bad to ring Iceland.
I guess I shell out money to take the computer to a local repairer as my knowledge of PCs has been exhausted.
I have played this game since launch and paid subs for 3 accounts for the last 3 years. This is the unhappiest I have been since Eve started.
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Tuschii
Filthy Scum
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Posted - 2007.12.08 12:11:00 -
[2056]
I replaced my boot.ini file
But now whenever I put my computer on standby or hibernate it does not recover and reboots. Does anyone know how to fix this?
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Caiden Soul
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Posted - 2007.12.08 12:41:00 -
[2057]
Why aren't the dev's repling to these posts?
There should be half a dozen of them posting full time to try to keep us happy not just ignoring the whole situation.
One dev would proabaly be able to manage it really, one who knew a bit about computers. They could even hire a Microsoft Certified whatever Support crew for 2 or 3 days if necessary....which it is.
It's the total lack of response, feedback and updates that's ****ing me off.
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flashfreaking
LFC
FreeFall Securities
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Posted - 2007.12.08 13:32:00 -
[2058]
Whoever has issues with his boot.ini file can now CALL CCP support, so I think that CCP made the following conclusion:
everybody whining on the forum has a working computer, thus a working boot.ini file => /ignore
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Bubba1977
Amarr
Repo Industries
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Posted - 2007.12.08 13:42:00 -
[2059]
Originally by: Dionisius
One question, and i'm not joking, has anyone that is in "DOS mode" tryed to use a floppy disk with someone elses boot.ini and copying it back to place?
Yes, if you put a boot.ini, ntdetect.com, and ntldr file on a floopy, you can boot win xp from that disk...as long as the only problem you have is a missing boot.ini.
Originally by: Fritz Zarathustra
Is there not anyone who had the "Load need DLL's for kernel" error on bootup, and solved it? :..(
Yes, that forced me to do a complete reinstall in order to fix.
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Aphex Schwin
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Posted - 2007.12.08 13:55:00 -
[2060]
If you want to recreate boot.ini manually from the dos prompt (if you can get it) try using this.
c:\copy con boot.ini
*type the contents here*
^Z <---ctrl+z or F6 to finish the copy
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tai shang
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Posted - 2007.12.08 13:57:00 -
[2061]
Originally by: flashfreaking
Whoever has issues with his boot.ini file can now CALL CCP support, so I think that CCP made the following conclusion:
everybody whining on the forum has a working computer, thus a working boot.ini file => /ignore
seems like it. In my case, I was using a computer at the shop. I managed to repair my computer, but not in any of the methods stated in the forums, or website (at least, not that I saw). This required that I reset my computer to its original factory condition, essentialy deleting everything I had. And that data, all totaled, cost me alot. If there was a better way to do it, I would have done it, but I'm not the most computer savy person out there. I am amazed I managed to get this far as it is. I couldn't use the CD method, because my computer didn't come with one (it was a floor model, and I got a 15% discount on it because of that. For an $1800 comp, thats nice).
CCP........right now im extremely furious with you. Whats especially irritating to me is that I have no desire to quit playing your game. Normally, when someone provides you with a bad service, ie a resturant, you dont go to them anymore. But I like your game SO MUCH, that I want to continue playing, but I also want some kind of compensation. But, somehow, I don't think im going to get any whatsoever.
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Shiva Maya
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Posted - 2007.12.08 14:05:00 -
[2062]
WTF you all are talking about? Since the last Patch I can't log in fully to play the Game!!! That's easy! But what do you mean with "Calssic" or "Premium" How do I know which of them I already installed???? OMG, this is really a bull****game!
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Jesum
Amarr
Warmongers
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Posted - 2007.12.08 14:19:00 -
[2063]
I do not envy the guys at QA.
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Inara Talamasca
Amarr
Meridian Inc
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Posted - 2007.12.08 15:27:00 -
[2064]
I seriously can't believe how many people are going insane, or getting furious. Granted, your computers may have been adversely affected by this patch, and CCP's errant code was the catalyst...
But, don't ANY of you who are upset feel ANY blame of this belonging to Microsoft? Or, perhaps, the so-called Security Suites and Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware that didn't stop a simple gaming program from -removing- what is, seemingly, one of the core (and simple!) files for Windows stability?
I, personally, was alerted to the possibility to this problem from a post in local, about an hour before my premium content was finished downloading, and verified the problem minutes before updating. I alerted all my corp I could offline, and then my alliances and friends online.
Being that I actually know IT, I copied my boot.ini... renamed the original, and applied the patch... Mostly out of curiosity, but also I didn't care to wait to DL it twice on my slow line. It deleted the boot.ini without a single question from my OS at all. No protection for my core files from the so-called secure operating system.
It should -NOT- be -EVERY- other programmer in the world's full responsibility to tread lightly around what is, apparently, an egg shell, fragile, insecure operating system. It is the job of the CORE program, the OS, to protect itself from something so simple... Without even a peep, the file was gone. Does that make ANY sense?
Don't spout about Vista or Admin rights, either. Windows requires almost everything be admin to install... everyone is used to that. And Vista, well, if it was important enough to include such protections in vista, why is such a -simple- part of that protection missing from the thousands of updates we've been forced to endure from MS? (Many of which have crashed and rendered machines I was responsible for inoperable, too.)
On OSX, for example, you run as an admin most of the time. You are not bombarded by a gazillion dialogs like vista, but it certainly would not allow something of this magnitude to happen without at LEAST warning you you were about to do something to affect a core file and your stability, if it even let you at all. (btw, after a few dozen dialogs on vista... how often do you think the average.. or even expert.. user reads or cares about them anymore?)
So, calm down for a few moments and think about it. You are placing the heft or all the blame on this on CCP. Yeah, they messed up. But, the damage should NEVER have been allowed to happen, or should have been caught during or after, by the OS itself.
When you're done lambasting the -game- that -you- installed on your precious and supposedly oh-so life-important machine, and lost the irreplaceable files that you couldn't be bothered to backup in any simple way, why not have a go at the ones that allowed this to happen. Or, do you feel like they are just far too above this situation and totally innocent and above reproach.
You don't have to be a total tech head and guru to acknowledge or understand the above, just, at the least, mildly intelligent and non-pigheaded.
And, by the way.. to anyone who had a so-called "professional" blank their OS or hard drive to "fix" this... Blame them, too. They obviously are useless at repair and too damned lazy to bother attempting the simple fixes any competent repair tech should be doing. (Yes, I am quite aware of the more "complex" systems with raid being a bit more difficult.)
Then, stop blaming everyone and get on with your life. Play eve or don't. But, perhaps, also keep in mind that your computer is -always- at risk... and much more so the longer you use an Operating System that allows this to happen, and you might think about changing that problem at the source, or moving on to another OS which might be safer or more secure. The risk and responsibility from here out is up to you.
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Caruleum Ursa
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Posted - 2007.12.08 15:44:00 -
[2065]
nice rant.
btw, furious people should never try to enter code.
Particularly when you don't know why or where there should be a space. Like the space a programmer will tell you always comes before a phrase like... /fastdetect
Some people enter code. Some people paint on an easel.
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Commander Korg
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Posted - 2007.12.08 15:46:00 -
[2066]
Inara i cant even find my hd. computer has been down for days this is serious. so get off this discussion and stop blaming us for ccp not running this before deploying it. no excuse for this.
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Tonkin
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.08 15:52:00 -
[2067]
why the hell this thread not a sticky?
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princess katie
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Posted - 2007.12.08 15:57:00 -
[2068]
I think you will find over the next few days many more little problems springing up.
Fot example: when I now log out a message keeps flashing on the screen , Quote:
CCP has encountered an error we have to shut down.
The cursor freezes and the screen to.
Also I had to replace the drives to the G/cards as white noise was being picked up.
The screen also flashes now and when changing from station to space about 20% of the time, the computer shuts down.
It strange that that problem occures more in Jita than it does any where else. This was a problem with the FFX1 game when they once patched theirs. In that example a Windower solved it .
All in all this has become a nightmare.
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.08 15:57:00 -
[2069]
Originally by: Tonkin
why the hell this thread not a sticky?
it was then they changed it to the top sticky you see now and returned this to a normal post.
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princess katie
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:03:00 -
[2070]
Whats more is ...all this trouble and Still we cant find the marauders, Black ops ships, Jump freighters or even the Covert potals but hey! I have seen pretty little picture of them.
I am trying to calculate are the pictures worth this trouble?
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Commander Korg
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:07:00 -
[2071]
the atlanta phone# says if you have a serious problem call the iceland#. wtf now i have to pay an international fee to get help. this may be my final straw. i give ccp too much money every year for this crap.
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blake fallout
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:09:00 -
[2072]
Originally by: princess katie
Whats more is ...all this trouble and Still we cant find the marauders, Black ops ships, Jump freighters or even the Covert potals but hey! I have seen pretty little picture of them.
I am trying to calculate are the pictures worth this trouble?
on test the only place you can get them (that i know of0 is fd-mlj)
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princess katie
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:12:00 -
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Dont worry because when you phone that number you cant get through anyway as theres either such a long waiting period or you just hang up when your fed up . Thats a fact as I hung on for 3 hours.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:14:00 -
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Originally by: Inara Talamasca
It should -NOT- be -EVERY- other programmer in the world's full responsibility to tread lightly around what is, apparently, an egg shell, fragile, insecure operating system. It is the job of the CORE program, the OS, to protect itself from something so simple... Without even a peep, the file was gone. Does that make ANY sense?
I largely agree with you. MS made two serious blunders in this area:
1.Failing to provide a way to create a boot disk.
WTF? I have three computers in my house all running XP. I have five installation discs. How in hell did MS let it get to the point where I had to burn an Ubuntu installation disc so that I could copy one file onto my sick machine?
2.Boot.ini is only a sodding text file. All it does is indicate what OSes are on the machine and where they can be found. WTF? Why couldn't their loader just have a look around and/or prompt the user?
I know how Windows boots and I know how big NTLOADER is. It doesn't have to be squeezed into one disk blok and if you can process $MFT to find boot.ini you can damn well process it to find the loader.
So yes, it was CCP's fault but despite the fact that I prefer Windows to Linux I have to say that on this occasion MS' developers fumbled the ball badly.
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[Brackley, UK]
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Done That
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:18:00 -
[2075]
It strikes me as funny that while everyone knows that CCP should have been more carefull we somehow managed to blame Microsoft for this epic stupidity?
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:26:00 -
[2076]
Originally by: Inara Talamasca
I seriously can't believe how many people are going insane, or getting furious. Granted, your computers may have been adversely affected by this patch, and CCP's errant code was the catalyst...
But, don't ANY of you who are upset feel ANY blame of this belonging to Microsoft? Or, perhaps, the so-called Security Suites and Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware that didn't stop a simple gaming program from -removing- what is, seemingly, one of the core (and simple!) files for Windows stability?
I, personally, was alerted to the possibility to this problem from a post in local, about an hour before my premium content was finished downloading, and verified the problem minutes before updating. I alerted all my corp I could offline, and then my alliances and friends online.
Being that I actually know IT, I copied my boot.ini... renamed the original, and applied the patch... Mostly out of curiosity, but also I didn't care to wait to DL it twice on my slow line. It deleted the boot.ini without a single question from my OS at all. No protection for my core files from the so-called secure operating system.
It should -NOT- be -EVERY- other programmer in the world's full responsibility to tread lightly around what is, apparently, an egg shell, fragile, insecure operating system. It is the job of the CORE program, the OS, to protect itself from something so simple... Without even a peep, the file was gone. Does that make ANY sense?
Don't spout about Vista or Admin rights, either. Windows requires almost everything be admin to install... everyone is used to that. And Vista, well, if it was important enough to include such protections in vista, why is such a -simple- part of that protection missing from the thousands of updates we've been forced to endure from MS? (Many of which have crashed and rendered machines I was responsible for inoperable, too.)
On OSX, for example, you run as an admin most of the time. You are not bombarded by a gazillion dialogs like vista, but it certainly would not allow something of this magnitude to happen without at LEAST warning you you were about to do something to affect a core file and your stability, if it even let you at all. (btw, after a few dozen dialogs on vista... how often do you think the average.. or even expert.. user reads or cares about them anymore?)
So, calm down for a few moments and think about it. You are placing the heft or all the blame on this on CCP. Yeah, they messed up. But, the damage should NEVER have been allowed to happen, or should have been caught during or after, by the OS itself.
When you're done lambasting the -game- that -you- installed on your precious and supposedly oh-so life-important machine, and lost the irreplaceable files that you couldn't be bothered to backup in any simple way, why not have a go at the ones that allowed this to happen. Or, do you feel like they are just far too above this situation and totally innocent and above reproach.
You don't have to be a total tech head and guru to acknowledge or understand the above, just, at the least, mildly intelligent and non-pigheaded.
And, by the way.. to anyone who had a so-called "professional" blank their OS or hard drive to "fix" this... Blame them, too. They obviously are useless at repair and too damned lazy to bother attempting the simple fixes any competent repair tech should be doing. (Yes, I am quite aware of the more "complex" systems with raid being a bit more difficult.)
Then, stop blaming everyone and get on with your life. Play eve or don't. But, perhaps, also keep in mind that your computer is -always- at risk... and much more so the longer you use an Operating System that allows this to happen, and you might think about changing that problem at the source, or moving on to another OS which might be safer or more secure. The risk and responsibility from here out is up to you.
Oh, and for the billionth time you'll hear it in life... Back up your important stuff, too.
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Friera
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:27:00 -
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Hi all,
I don't generally post to forums, flamewars aren't my thing, but the combination of sitting in hospital bored and the monumental stupidity of this patch compels me to write.
First, to those affected, you have my sympathies. Here are a few hopefully constructive points that I either haven't seen mentioned or could be re-iterated (sorry if I'm repeating other people, and this is not meant to patronise, but not everyone here is an IT administrator):
- In almost no cases do you need to reformat your drive or re-install Windows. This is true for most corruption besides boot.ini and anyone who tells you otherwise - including your local computer repair man - doesn't know what they're doing. Local computer repair men are the worst kind, they're the ones who have tinkered with their computers for a couple of years and think they know what they're doing. If they tell you to reformat, take your business elsewhere. The only common case where re-installs may be necessary is chronic corruption of the FAT or MFT (if using NTFS) tables. The EVE patch is not responsible for either.
- If you have reformatted and not used your computer too much since, or installed alot of applications, you may be able to recover some of your data, however it is hard work. A good tool which I use to help other people with this is (RuntimeDiskExplorer) - use the appropriate version for your filesystem. Note that the more you install or use your machine before doing this, the less data you will be able to recover. For best results you should NOT install it on the drive you have reformatted, but on another drive, or use it from another PC. The software can recover over a LAN with its built in network support, or you can put your drive in a friend's computer and install the software on their hard disk.
- If your BIOS can't recognise your drive, CCP have not caused your problem. The issue of boot.ini being deleted is entirely Windows-related and has nothing to do with drive detection or physical failure whatsoever. It also won't stop your partition being detected by the Windows recovery disk or other computers or OSs. The procedure for booting a computer with Windows is that the BIOS first looks at the MBR (master boot record) on the first sector of the disk selected as the primary boot disk in the BIOS settings; this contains a list of partitions on your drive including one marked 'active' which is the one the BIOS will attempt to boot from. The first sector of the active partition on a Windows machine contains the Windows boot loader, which is a tiny piece of code that loads NTLDR (found in the root of your Windows hard disk), which THEN reads boot.ini to determine where your Windows install is located. So again, if your disk is not detected in the BIOS, CCP is not to blame for your issue.
- If you are using the Windows CD to recover and the installer can't find your hard disk, you have a few options. The easiest if you have a floppy drive is to press F6 when the blue installer screen first appears, then in a few moments you'll be asked to insert a driver disk for your HD controller. Put this in and the driver will load, then you should be able to see your Windows partition.
- If you don't have a driver disk, you may find that the files or image for it are on a driver CD provided with your computer or the disk controller; you can easily tell if you have one because there will always be a file in the folder called "oemsetup.inf". If you have another computer or a friend with a computer, you can insert the CD into their machine and copy these files onto a floppy disk, then use this as the driver disk the Windows CD requests on your machine.
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Friera
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:30:00 -
[2078]
- If you don't have a driver disk and can't make or download one (check your motherboard/disk controller manufacturer's web site), but have a friend with a later version of Windows including Windows Vista, you can try their CD. Windows XP SP2, Windows Server 2003 and Windows Vista all have an increasing number of supported built-in drivers vs the originalWindows XP CD, and all of them are able to login to the recovery console on an XP partition.
- If you have access to the command prompt and your hard disk but not for example Notepad, for whatever reason, you can use the echo command to built a new boot.ini:
cd c:\ (replace c with your Windows drive letter, which may not be the same in recovery console as it normally is)
echo [boot loader] >> boot.ini
echo timeout=10 >> boot.ini
...
and so on for each line you need to add to boot.ini (there have been many helpful posts with example files earlier in the thread - refer to those for the lines you need)
- If you have a friend with a Windows Vista CD, you can access Notepad from the graphical installer. Press Shift+F10 to get up a command prompt at the "gathering information" stage and then type:
notepad
and press Enter. You can then create or load a new boot.ini, edit it and save it to the root of your Windows XP drive.
- For those worried about which partition numbers to use in boot.ini, the format of these lines are called ARC paths and are described here:
ARC Paths (Microsoft Knowledge Base)
Most if not all of you will want to look at the "x86" section and ignore the RISC section.
Briefly, the path should always be:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(A)partition(B)\windows
regardless of how many disks and partitions you have. "A" should be replaced with either 0 or 1, and "B" should be replaced with a partition number from 1 to 4 (0 is not used). Primary partitions are numbered first followed by logical drives as explained in the article (I'll be happy to elaborate on this if anyone is confused, please be patient, I'm not feeling very well at the moment).
Generally, on a single-disk machine, you will use:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\windows
On laptops, there are frequently recovery partitions, in which case you will likely use:
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\windows
If Windows isn't installed on your first drive, try rdisk(1). There is no harm in trying all combinations and you won't damage your computer by doing so, so if it doesn't work first time, just try changing the numbers.
- Using a DOS boot disk to get a command prompt to replace boot.ini will only work under these conditions:
1. Your Windows drive is formatted as FAT32
2. DOS can recognise the drive without any special drivers
Neither of these conditions hold for most modern systems, however some laptop manufacturers still living in 1998, shockingly still supply XP machines formatted with FAT32, so if you have one of those, you may get lucky.
There are free tools to read NTFS partitions from DOS, but none that I know of which will write to them.
- If your boot floppy or Windows CD doesn't boot when you turn on your computer, make sure that it is set as the first boot device in your BIOS. To do this you will generally need to press DELETE, F2 or something similar as your computer turns on (on the first screen which may be a large logo or a load of text showing your CPU, RAM size etc.). Then navigate in the menus to find the order in which your drives are searched. This varies from BIOS to BIOS but in the commonly found AMI BIOS it is under a menu item called 'Boot Disk Priority' or something similar. You can use PgUp and PgDown on this menu to alter the order of the drives. Put your CD or floppy drive at the top, and your Windows drive last.
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Friera
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:31:00 -
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- Some BIOSes now support booting from a USB memory stick, this will be the best option for people like me who have a tablet PC with no CD or floppy disk.
- If you haven't got a USB stick, you might have a friend with one, or a USB floppy drive or a USB CD drive. If you can plug any of these USB devices into your machine, you can fix your boot.ini without losing any data.
- If you're technically minded, and have no floppy, CD or USB stick and no access to one, you could as a last resort try a network boot if your machine and network adapter have PXE support.
- If for some reason you feel compelled to re-install Windows but don't want to lose your data, take your hard disk to a friend's house and put it in his/her machine. It will appear in their My Computer as another drive and you can copy files, burn to DVD or whatever you need to do to make a backup. Of course, if you can do this, you can replace your boot.ini and save yourself the hassle.
1. If you have a SATA drive, there are no special changes you need to make before you plug the drive into their machine (small slightly L-shaped connector).
2. If you have an old parallel ATA drive (large 40-pin connector with 2 rows of pins), you may need to change the drive to master, slave or cable select mode depending on how your friend's machine is set up. If it is set wrong, no damage will be done but both your and your friend's drives may not be detected (in which case their machine won't boot). If you're not a computer expert, just try each setting until both drives are visible. There is a little jumper (a small black, grey, brown or white thing) on the back of the drive which you can pull off and put on in different ways, there is usually a diagram on the drive to show you what each orientation does, and this is how you change the drive from master or slave etc. Make sure you remember its original position and set it back before you put the drive back in your own PC.
- The HAL DLL / missing kernel files problem. Some of pointed out that you can use "expand" from Recovery Console to recover HAL.DLL from your Windows CD like this:
expand D:\i386\Hal.dl_ c:\windows\hal.dll
(I don't have my CD to hand so that might be slightly wrong)
The reason this doesn't fix the problem for all of you is because the Windows CD actually contains multiple HAL files, for different types of motherboard chipset, and at install time, one is picked which matches your system (HAL means Hardware Abstraction Layer, and is the bridge between Windows drivers and your hardware). The default HAL.DL_ on the install CD might not be right for your chipset, in which case the machine won't boot or you'll get a bluescreen.
The best way to fix this is to do a recovery install by simply running the Windows installer as per normal and agreeing when asked to overwrite the existing install. It should tell you that your documents will NOT be affected beforehand. When the install proceeds, it will look like a normal fresh install, but when you reboot, your documents and applications will be intact. All Windows Updates will need to be re-installed and you should do this IMMEDIATELY, because some of your applications will be broken until you have re-installed every update.
In my experience, you need to do this with a CD matching the version of Windows you originally installed. For example, a Windows XP SP2 disk will not offer the option to repair install a Windows XP RTM installation that was subsequently upgraded to SP2, unfortunately. You have to use the XP RTM disk if you originally installed XP RTM, even if you have installed service packs since then.
More information here, which also includes warnings about errors in boot.ini which can also cause this problem:
[url=http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314477]MS Knowledge Base 314477[/url]
I hope that covers most of the issues people are having.
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Friera
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:34:00 -
[2080]
Now I've hopefully established I know a little about computers, I want to turn to CCP. I'm a software developer*****project manager, and no matter how you sugarcoat it, this event is unequivocably a total disgrace, but unfortunately, not uncommon in IT projects.
For those of you defending CCP, consider what you are defending:
1. They used a system file name as a filename in their project
2. The use of the filename went unnoticed by QA however long ago it was added to the codebase
3. The update installer was required to run with Administrator privileges, for the reason CCP didn't use Windows NT architecture best practices when the game was originally deployed and chose to store all the data files in the Program Files directory instead of the user's data folder. Had they followed best practices, the patcher would not need administrator priviliges nor would they have had to release a patch to fix this for Vista, where the best practices - as forewarned by Microsoft some 2 years ago - became programmatically enforced.
4. Making the installer run with Administrator privileges gives the program access to the root folder of your hard disk.
5. One of two mistakes then occurred (I don't know which as I haven't examined the code). Either:
5a. The files were unpacked to the root folder when they should havce been unpacked to the user's Temp folder (ie. Documents and Settings\User\Local Settings\Temp for example), and in addition to that, they were unpacked without checking to see if other files had to be overwritten first. This is a classic novice error which any automated QA test should catch.
Or:
5b. There was as suggested a typo in the installer which caused it to use an absolute rather than relative path when deleting boot.ini but none of the other files. In that case, we should be glad they named each file individually instead of deleting *.*, otherwise there'd be alot of people running around trying to copy ntdetect.com, ntldr etc. back onto their system drives right now. If (3) had been followed some years ago, this issue would not have arisen.
6. The error in (5) was not caught by QA. Contrary to what some have written here, this does not require the testing of hundreds of configurations to discover. The deletion of boot.ini is not dependent on hardware configuration (except for disk organisation), nor is it dependent on what updates or service packs you have installed. This is because boot.ini has the same function on all platforms and has not been changed since 2001 until its replacement by BCD in Vista. QA needed precisely 3 computers to guarantee catching this error: one default install of XP running on a primary drive, one default install of XP running on a secondary drive, and one default install of Vista.
For those who think it is unreasonable for a QA department to test an application running on a secondary drive, there are plenty of badly behaved applications out of there with hardwired paths that will only work in C:\Program Files. Sad, but true. Testing whether the application works on a secondary drive immediately eliminates any such issue.
I realise most of you don't manage large codebases so I just wanted to make this extremely clear: This was not a case of "mistakes happen" as some have written, this was a precise sequence of failures by CCP that eventually culminated in a disaster that could have been averted on several occasions. CCP are smart enough to be well aware of this and there is no doubt they are revising their QA procedures as we speak.
The worst part of this is that they were not obscure failures; they were novice mistakes which make you wonder about the competence of their software developers. Judging from the fact it took 8 months to fix the "green bar within buy range" market bug (a trivial set of if conditions) and are capable of crashing their SQL servers by failing to stress test them before deploying them to a production environment, (continued)
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Friera
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Posted - 2007.12.08 16:35:00 -
[2081]
Edited by: Friera on 08/12/2007 16:36:05
we should have pause for concern. I expected MMORPGs to be buggy because very few people ever test their code properly, I don't normally waste time complaining about it but the chain of events above really highlights how inexperienced these people are.
Hope my epic post provides some enlightenment :-)
Katy.
PS. CCP: Eve is a brilliant game - if you'd like to hire me I'll be happy to re-organise your QA department, or even fix the sound. My credentials can be found here.
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Washell Olivaw
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Posted - 2007.12.08 17:50:00 -
[2082]
Originally by: Friera
5. One of two mistakes then occurred (I don't know which as I haven't examined the code).
The error was in the installer. First it set the output to the correct folder, then it deleted "\boot.ini". A dot more or a backslash less and all would have been avoided.
Screenshots of the installer deleting "\boot.ini" and copy/pastes of people who extracted the installers instructions can be found earlier in this thread.
Very well written post. Reads like a "Seconds from disaster" episode from the National Geographic Channel.
Quote:
Everybody has a photographic memory, some people just don't have film.
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Commander Korg
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:02:00 -
[2083]
i tried using a vista cd and i can get a command promt. i tried the echo and i didnt get any rejections but when i booted back up same thing. is their something i need to do after i type in the echo stuff? i get this "X:\Sources>" what should i do at this point?
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Friera
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Posted - 2007.12.08 19:11:00 -
[2084]
Originally by: Commander Korg
i tried using a vista cd and i can get a command promt. i tried the echo and i didnt get any rejections but when i booted back up same thing. is their something i need to do after i type in the echo stuff? i get this "X:\Sources>" what should i do at this point?
You need to find the drive letter with your XP install. You can do it like this:
cd c:\
c:
dir
cd d:\
d:
dir
etc.
Until you find the right drive. The right drive will be the one with folders like "Documents and Settings", "Program Files" and "Windows" in the root folder. Once you're on the correct drive, you can do the echo stuff, however since you're using Vista's installer you can just use notepad, and the Save As... box will let you browse through all the drives to find your XP drive. Hope that helps.
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Commander Korg
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Posted - 2007.12.08 20:16:00 -
[2085]
thanks friera
i found a backup on file and the partition was (2) so i just copied the whole thing over and saved as. finally seems fixed. now to untistall and install classic only for now. thanks again for the help.
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Fritz Zarathustra
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Posted - 2007.12.08 21:36:00 -
[2086]
glad to report i now got my pc up and running :
after making a new boot.ini with notepad i got another error saying:
"Load need DLL's for kernel"
this was finally solved by replacing the hal.dll file in system32 catalog. i know i did this earlier but it didnt work so i suggest you try it more than once, perhaps trying different sources for the file.
someone replied to me earlier about this later error message saying he had to reinstall - apparantly you can fix this without reinstalling your whole system.
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Shardhard
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Posted - 2007.12.08 21:42:00 -
[2087]
"don't ANY of you who are upset feel ANY blame of this belonging to Microsoft?"
Well, we EXPECT Microsoft to be a suckhole of evil incompetence...CCP, not so much :)
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Fritz Zarathustra
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Posted - 2007.12.08 23:10:00 -
[2088]
im almost laughing now...
still happy to have my computer back, but the junkie i am wants to get my fix of eve... BUT now i get nothing more then the splash screen then nothing.. it just closes itself - no login window.
sollutions anyone?
tried reinstall full - didnt work
tried reinstall classic - didnt work
tried upgrading to premium - didnt work
when i first installed eve premium about 2 am the 6th it worked fine so my system can handle it.
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Erlork
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Posted - 2007.12.08 23:20:00 -
[2089]
i blame this on the coders of the update, the only files that should have needed to be updated/patched should have resided in the games root directory, all dll's and everything can be ran locally from the root directory of the game so there really is no reason for the game to have left the root directory of the game.
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Ayva Calypso
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Posted - 2007.12.09 00:02:00 -
[2090]
Ok just back to EVE after a week away to see that the **** has hit the fan with the new upgrade.Can anybody let me know if all the issues have been fixed. Being totally non geek material I have no idea where to go or wehat to do.
No messages here for a couple of days it seems.
Any help appreciated.
Cheers
AngusThemopyle
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Caldari
Stain of Mind
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Posted - 2007.12.09 02:02:00 -
[2091]
Originally by: tai shang
Edited by: tai shang on 08/12/2007 08:29:26
Ok, I've searched the forums for about an hour now and I have found about 3 or 4 different answers to my problem.
I, following instructions in an e-mail from eve-online newsletter to use system restore, have apparently fried my comp. I restored to about 4 days ago, and it shut down, began to reboot, and displayed this message (typed exactly as it was shown): <Windows root>\System32\hal.dll.
ok. Now that I have said that, who can tell me what to do? A response that works will get 150 million isk from me. Seriously.
Finally, I would like to say this to CCP:
Many times, things have happened in which players ranted and raved, shouting their disspleasure. Honestly, I was always very understanding and forgiving, and not one to complain. On the few occasions that I needed to file a pettition, my issue was resolved fairly quickly. But now you have given me something to complain about. Your actions not only damaged my computer, but, the instructions given to me to prevent that from happening DID NOT WORK.
Thanks.
Insert the windows xp cd and boot from it. Then use the "repair" installation to replace the core files of windows. That will fix the issue. The hal.dll thing along with a windows update .dll had issues with them from an ms patch a while ago so when u restore it be it from a cd or windows restore the dll's get screwed up. ( IIRC anyway =P ) but none the less using repair from the windows cd should fix the issue.
Originally by: CCP Abraxas
Her boyfriend's way hot, too; tall and tanned. And I say this as a very hetero male who doesn't ever dream of the man on cold, dark nights.
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Devick Baalreth
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Posted - 2007.12.09 03:11:00 -
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For those of you who had to have their hard disk formated and repartitioned and a fresh install of windows installed upon that partition I leave you with this note. This is not the first time I've seen this issue and to be quite honest its common. The technician probably wanted the easy time saving way out and never even bothered to restore or rebuild the boot.ini like I have manually done myself.
Its not that complicated now adays (unlike my older days) to find out what each part of the boot.ini ment and what arguments and values it needed. No doubt there is probably now an application that can be run from a simple bootdisk that can restore the boot.ini without a previous copy as all it needs to do is check a few key spots on the partition (which was 100% the same as it was before the boot.ini was gone minus the boot.ini).
I do not find a full system reinstall of the operating system a valid argument because I've fixed it for many people and one person effected by eve. Unfortunately it was hard because that person had to get a copy of knoppix and run a set of binaries called "NX" which is nomachines thin client ment for remote into linux xwindows enviroment. From the information on the linux system, it told me easily in the fstab (file system table) and I manually took the information and rebuilt the boot.ini by hand.
That and I found out after that he did have it backed up, which means many of you other people should have as well.
The situation is unfortunate, however the majority of the damage was done out of ignorance not by the user but by the technicians who formated before fixing. Lazy techs always apply salt to an already painful wound.
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VicturusTeSaluto
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Posted - 2007.12.09 03:26:00 -
[2093]
Originally by: Inara Talamasca
But, don't ANY of you who are upset feel ANY blame of this belonging to Microsoft? Or, perhaps, the so-called Security Suites and Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware that didn't stop a simple gaming program from -removing- what is, seemingly, one of the core (and simple!) files for Windows stability?
No, it has nothing to do with micro$haft or security software.
It's CCP making a hugely rookie mistake by naming one of their game files the same thing as a critical system file and then it coming back to bite them in the ass.
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Detris
The Bloody Red
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Posted - 2007.12.09 07:14:00 -
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Ok here is my problem, i have a macbook pro w/ bootcamp and windows xp home. I downloaded the patch before it was stopped. Then i read the post by ccp and then promptly did what it said. i even checked the msconfig and boot.ini showed up. I restarted my computer and i got a black screen with an error. Then i wondered why it didn't boot and thought that there was something special with bootcamp. I read through this thread and find that there is a special line that needs to be added. I go to change the boot.ini file on my mac side; the only problem with this is the windows partition is a read only drive. I don't have the windows cd. What do i do?
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.09 07:30:00 -
[2095]
Originally by: Cadela Fria
Actually US law doesn't apply at all...about the only thing that can be done, is stop CCP from marketing their game in the US. In which case I say, Welcome to the internet.
CCP has an office in Atlanta, Georgia, USA. So I wouldn't be so sure that US law can't touch them.
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Poreuomai
Minmatar
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.12.09 09:45:00 -
[2096]
Detris, you could try using a Linux Live CD (just runs without installing anything).
That might let you write to files in the windows partition.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.12.09 10:02:00 -
[2097]
Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
Originally by: Inara Talamasca
But, don't ANY of you who are upset feel ANY blame of this belonging to Microsoft? Or, perhaps, the so-called Security Suites and Anti-Virus/Anti-Malware that didn't stop a simple gaming program from -removing- what is, seemingly, one of the core (and simple!) files for Windows stability?
No, it has nothing to do with micro$haft or security software.
It's CCP making a hugely rookie mistake by naming one of their game files the same thing as a critical system file and then it coming back to bite them in the ass.
Actually they are both to blame. As another poster wrote (curtesy perhaps of NG Channel) disasters are usually the result of a sequence of smaller errors.
Another fact is that disasters are rarely the fault of one person or one thing. It's only the gutter press and 'public mind' that thinks otherwise. It is far simpler to single out one person or scapegoat than it is to list everyone that played a part.
In this case CCP made a series of bad decisions that fell foul of poor design and poor implementation by Microsoft. We as computer users are to blame for not really understanding our computers. Even people like me that had the technical knowledge to fix this were caught out by not having a useable boot disc.
Personally I try to avoid playing the blame game because it rarely achieves anything positive. In this case everyone involved should accept their part of the blame and try to learn from it.
CCP - need to revise their QA procedures and have a chat with the development team. Not just the individual responsible and not a 'telling off' chat. Everyone should be encouraged to contribute.
MS - ha! They seem to have addressed the issue in Vista but I don't know if it's any easier to make a boot disc.
Us - We should all make sure we have working boot discs, labelled and stored somewhere sensible. Those who ended up reformatting or spending large sums of money should consider getting some training.
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(Battle hardened industrialist)
[Brackley, UK]
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Omega Burns
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Posted - 2007.12.09 13:24:00 -
[2098]
I have 4 computers and installed for one computer on one account. I DID reboot and my comptuer is currently a paperweight. I have not been able to recover from this. All my finances and school projects are on that computer. It is very frustrating. I can't believe this wasn't discovered before rollout.
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Stealthy
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Posted - 2007.12.09 15:57:00 -
[2099]
for the love of God
EDIT the 82 pages of this commentary so those getting problems like myself sev days into this DO NOT go through all this
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Dark Aivengo
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:36:00 -
[2100]
""Download of content patch failed.
Further information: 'charmap' codec can't encode characters in position 26-38: character maps to """
I happened, when i have downloaded the premium.......what should i do now?
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bll99
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Posted - 2007.12.09 18:52:00 -
[2101]
Originally by: xOm3gAx
Originally by: tai shang
Edited by: tai shang on 08/12/2007 08:29:26
Ok, I've searched the forums for about an hour now and I have found about 3 or 4 different answers to my problem.
I, following instructions in an e-mail from eve-online newsletter to use system restore, have apparently fried my comp. I restored to about 4 days ago, and it shut down, began to reboot, and displayed this message (typed exactly as it was shown): <Windows root>\System32\hal.dll.
Thanks.
Insert the windows xp cd and boot from it. Then use the "repair" installation to replace the core files of windows. That will fix the issue. The hal.dll thing along with a windows update .dll had issues with them from an ms patch a while ago so when u restore it be it from a cd or windows restore the dll's get screwed up. ( IIRC anyway =P ) but none the less using repair from the windows cd should fix the issue.
well this seams to be a good fix but what if you do not have the admin password for the repair console to use then you are just out of luck. I have called ccp at the atlanta number and told that they have a fix forthis but can not tell me the fix nice to know that have not goten any thing from threm but we can nnot fix at this time and then one that asked for my acount my name adress and phone number.
I must ask that ccp clean this thred up i mena this is insane that i need to look at 80+ pages of stuff to try to fix my system on my own.
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Baulath
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Posted - 2007.12.09 22:22:00 -
[2102]
Failure.. Massive, failure.
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D'Agnon Anasazi
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Posted - 2007.12.10 01:21:00 -
[2103]
Eve on C:\ with XP Pro SP2 and no boot.ini left after update.
Huzzah for the heads up before I rebooted, I guess.
Downloaded Trinity patch right off after downtime, ran upgrade to premium graphics from the login window.
Why would ANY graphics engine update for this client even BE doing ANYTHING in the root of C:\ is what I want to know!?
Restored boot.ini from boot.ini.backup, rebooted successfully and immediately created a new restore point.
Perhaps CCP should test their patches out on systems other than Vista! But we Desktop Support guys are always having to clean up after Apps Support screw things up so I am used to it.
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SugeR RusH
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Posted - 2007.12.10 05:18:00 -
[2104]
Edited by: SugeR RusH on 10/12/2007 05:19:25
YaY only took me 3 days BUT mi pc is back !!!
Good Job ccp !!!
Trinty...ruins clones, jumpbridges, pos warefare, fps, pc, ect...
btw got to add h8ing gallente now...not only did they get nerfed but smurfed 2 !!!!
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PsyMan
Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:47:00 -
[2105]
Originally by: Detris
Ok here is my problem, i have a macbook pro w/ bootcamp and windows xp home. I downloaded the patch before it was stopped. Then i read the post by ccp and then promptly did what it said. i even checked the msconfig and boot.ini showed up. I restarted my computer and i got a black screen with an error. Then i wondered why it didn't boot and thought that there was something special with bootcamp. I read through this thread and find that there is a special line that needs to be added. I go to change the boot.ini file on my mac side; the only problem with this is the windows partition is a read only drive. I don't have the windows cd. What do i do?
On top of this i have an english paper due monday so thx ccp.
Hi Detris,
You are not the first person for this to happen to. I took a bit of time to make and break (then fix) a boot camped mac and have documented a 3 step fix HERE
Should sort you out as it enables you to make the windows drive read/write
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mafi0ata
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Posted - 2007.12.10 12:00:00 -
[2106]
And to think i used to hate my Vista ...
GO VISTA GO VISTA !
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Major Dark
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Posted - 2007.12.10 12:10:00 -
[2107]
well...who's the utter arse who left that bit out then!
Hmm... i sense a new procedure in development!!!
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Syn Aether
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Posted - 2007.12.10 12:29:00 -
[2108]
Ahahaha...
Does anyone remember the magic of 'Pools of Radiance: Ruins of Myth Drannor'?
Specifically, when installed on the system drive on a windows XP machine, uninstalling inadvertently formatted C: drive
At least its not THAT bad!
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Bobarian
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Posted - 2007.12.10 14:58:00 -
[2109]
Hope my OS CD's get here today. 5 days with a dead computer .
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Natalia Survenka
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:03:00 -
[2110]
Post #2453 in an epic fail thread.
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Lazlomass Arndt
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:11:00 -
[2111]
Edited by: Lazlomass Arndt on 10/12/2007 15:12:09
Originally by: PsyMan
Originally by: Detris
Ok here is my problem, i have a macbook pro w/ bootcamp and windows xp home. I downloaded the patch before it was stopped. Then i read the post by ccp and then promptly did what it said. i even checked the msconfig and boot.ini showed up. I restarted my computer and i got a black screen with an error. Then i wondered why it didn't boot and thought that there was something special with bootcamp. I read through this thread and find that there is a special line that needs to be added. I go to change the boot.ini file on my mac side; the only problem with this is the windows partition is a read only drive. I don't have the windows cd. What do i do?
On top of this i have an english paper due monday so thx ccp.
Hi Detris,
You are not the first person for this to happen to. I took a bit of time to make and break (then fix) a boot camped mac and have documented a 3 step fix HERE
Should sort you out as it enables you to make the windows drive read/write
If that method doesn't work - unistall the two apps and try this one:
if you are using Bootcamp and were affected by the boot.ini problem and have no WinXP CD:
Download and create a boot disc of 'Knoppix' when in Mac OS X, when booted in knoppix you can force mount your WinXP partition and edit/create a boot.ini file.
Knoppix
http://www.knoppix.org/
How to force mount while in Knoppix:
http://rhadimas.wordpress.com/2006/10/15/fix-the-windows-bootini-file-with-knoppix2/
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Friera
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:42:00 -
[2112]
Quote:
Actually they are both to blame. As another poster wrote (curtesy perhaps of NG Channel) disasters are usually the result of a sequence of smaller errors.
Hehe, I don't work for NGC, but it did occur to me after I wrote the post that it sounded somewhat like the show :-) Seconds From Disaster is nice proof that CCP isn't the only company with a QA department that needs firing. The last episode I saw involved a Boeing 737 crashing due to vibration in the engine fan blades at high altitude. Turns out, the engine was never tested in-flight before they deployed it in thousands of planes. Sound familiar? :P
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:17:00 -
[2113]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 10/12/2007 16:24:27
The only real problem that I see with live CDs is if you use RAID. The drivers might just not be there.
I also wonder, if some people screwed their boot.ini due to trying to fix it.
E.g. if I had upgraded and edited my boot.ini in the same way like the emmergency message, or been stupid and make it look like CCP suggested, although nothing was wrong with it, I would not have been able to boot anymore, since my C: drive is on the second partition.
Besides that there are options to select the hal-dll (hardware abstraction layer) in boot.ini.
Currently there are 5 different hal-dlls with different names in XP and usually just the one that's right for your hardware gets installed and named hal.dll, but you can also install them all, keep the original names and just point to the right one in boot.ini via an option. Without the right hal-dll, the computer just doesn't boot anymore. So if any OEM uses that option, you are in trouble, especially if you have no clue.
I made that painful experience after upgrading from an old Athlon single core to an Intel dual core and new mainboard etc. ofc. and after that the PC didn't even work in safe mode anymore due to the wrong hal.dll.
Windows CD somewhere lost after moving to a new appartment and Linux not working either due to being compiled and configuered for old hardware. No up-to-date linux distribution, like my old win 98 it lacked the drivers.
Needed to build up the old hardware to some extent to get network access again.
Now I'm prepaired with WinXP CD, Live CD with network support, backups that are restorable via live cd and such stuff. I currently don't use RAID, but once I do, I make sure that the whole thing allows to access that 'raided' system, too, if something like this happens again.
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Samantha De'Brault
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:54:00 -
[2114]
Ok, I will try to stay calm.
I have rebooted my PC already, and following the steps did not work. CCP can't just forget about this. I came back to eve-online (on my laptop) and now can't even find the mfing phone numbers to call support. Something this big, NEEDS TO STAY ON THE ******* FRONT PAGE!!!!!
Now, doing all the steps it beings me to a windows\sys32\hal.dll error. How can I resolve this please, and can someone repost the CS phone numbers.
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Drokerth
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:17:00 -
[2115]
Very frustrating, after doing all the suggested repair attempts and hours on the phone with Dell we were told that it seems to have messed up our \system32 files and we have to reinstall from scratch. Dells words.. they are sending us disks to do this. Nice of them but still.. anyone have any luck
with getting some sort of credit on their accounts for time not able to play?
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Gibboviper2
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Posted - 2007.12.10 18:48:00 -
[2116]
Well i lost my windows xp machine . Totally gone and all my work info along with it too. people say always have a back up, and i do, but i do this every 6 months. Anyone who backs up more than that is most likely lying. So you can see, the pinch is hard. Not to mention my repair bill is over ú100 which also leaves a sour taste. I have a lap top here, but i havent tried to log on since Friday, ~~Im a lil worried ill just lose this machine too. Ive really enjoyed this expansion so far ! :(
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CagedRage
BURN EDEN
Terra Incognita.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 19:32:00 -
[2117]
I need help with this please. I have already restarted.
Dell XPS M1710
I use my OS cd and enter the recovery console.
bootcfg /list
= There are currently no boot entries available to display
bootcfg /rebuild
= Scanning all disks......
Please wait, since......
Error: Failed to successfully scan disks for Windows installations. This error may be caused by a corrupt file system, which wwould prevent Bootcfg from successfully scanning. Use vhkdsk to detect any disk error.
Note: This operation......
chkdsk /r and /p do not help and nor does fixboot.
can anyone give me any clear steps to fixing this without reinstalling windows etc?
I can't phone the help lines because the phone says they are invalid numbers. I'm in the UK.
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Devick Bane
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Posted - 2007.12.10 22:46:00 -
[2118]
Originally by: CagedRage
I need help with this please. I have already restarted.
Dell XPS M1710
I use my OS cd and enter the recovery console.
bootcfg /list
= There are currently no boot entries available to display
bootcfg /rebuild
= Scanning all disks......
Please wait, since......
Error: Failed to successfully scan disks for Windows installations. This error may be caused by a corrupt file system, which wwould prevent Bootcfg from successfully scanning. Use vhkdsk to detect any disk error.
Note: This operation......
chkdsk /r and /p do not help and nor does fixboot.
can anyone give me any clear steps to fixing this without reinstalling windows etc?
I can't phone the help lines because the phone says they are invalid numbers. I'm in the UK.
If you have a computer or someone elses who has a CD burner I suggest downloading Knoppix and burn it to a disk
Place it in your computer and let it run, you will come up with a desktop that entirely different from the normal except the options in the bottom right.
This is not ment for a self help approach at this point you are going to need someone to help you. Knoppix should if I am correct have NXServer (if you need visual support outside of the tty) and SSHD which allows for remoting in with text only which is more efficient and easier to manage.
You already know my game name, if you manage to get back in somehow give me a shout, when I checked for you, you where not in game. I tried...
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Dansully
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Posted - 2007.12.11 21:11:00 -
[2119]
If you just follow the instructions in this link, it should solve all your issues.
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itombi
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Posted - 2007.12.11 21:14:00 -
[2120]
Funny how everyone (well almost everyone) takes every opertunity to ***** and complain. Eve is still the best online game around and will be for a long time well done CCP.
I do think that it is a slight oversight creating a game with a boot.ini file
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Marie Dupree
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:02:00 -
[2121]
Originally by: itombi
Funny how everyone (well almost everyone) takes every opertunity to ***** and complain. Eve is still the best online game around and will be for a long time well done CCP.
I do think that it is a slight oversight creating a game with a boot.ini file
Damn, I complain when my PC has been down for 6 days and could not get it sorted so have just done a full re-install of windows only to log on to find this thread, sheesh!
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ChataJohn
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:43:00 -
[2122]
12/11
Ok, I guess I am just totally screwed since I did reboot and I can't seem to locate anything within the first 5 pages or so that tells me exactly what to do. It needs to be in "Computerese for dummies speak," thanks.
If there IS a fix please e-mail it to me at [email protected]
I like EVE but if I loose my harddrive over this ... help. JDB Windows XP Home version
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RangerXT
Caldari
Ota Corps
Akihabara Denki Gai
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Posted - 2007.12.11 23:59:00 -
[2123]
I CAN'T SLEEP BECAUSE I AM TOO AFRAID TO REBOOT....
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.12.12 00:19:00 -
[2124]
Originally by: Marie Dupree
Originally by: itombi
Funny how everyone (well almost everyone) takes every opertunity to ***** and complain. Eve is still the best online game around and will be for a long time well done CCP.
I do think that it is a slight oversight creating a game with a boot.ini file
Damn, I complain when my PC has been down for 6 days and could not get it sorted so have just done a full re-install of windows only to log on to find this thread, sheesh!
send an e-mail to kerion and tell him what happen.
trust me.
Official fanboy of jenny<
pink supporter!
looking to work in the art department with CCP, 3 years and counting. http://www.digipen.edu/main/Gallery_Games_2004#Narbacular_Dropthi |
Creditz
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Posted - 2007.12.12 00:21:00 -
[2125]
has the patch been fixed..is it safe to upgrade my classic client form the eve website using the premium patch?
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Dred'Pirate Jesus
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.12.12 01:03:00 -
[2126]
Originally by: Creditz
has the patch been fixed..is it safe to upgrade my classic client form the eve website using the premium patch?
It was safe two hours after the initial Trinity deployment when they pulled the patch and fixed the typo.. So yes quite safe..
Originally by: David Hackworth
ò If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly.
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Creditz
Amarr
THE INSURGENCY
Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2007.12.12 01:44:00 -
[2127]
Originally by: Dred'Pirate Jesus
Originally by: Creditz
has the patch been fixed..is it safe to upgrade my classic client form the eve website using the premium patch?
It was safe two hours after the initial Trinity deployment when they pulled the patch and fixed the typo.. So yes quite safe..
KK thank you,,,,are people still haveing graphic issues with the new premium style like I have been hearing about or have they fixed that to?
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Devick Baalreth
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Posted - 2007.12.12 04:48:00 -
[2128]
Originally by: Dansully
If you just follow the instructions in this link, it should solve all your issues.
Understood that you're trying to fix the problem but sending us a LINK to a forum that requires a sign up is a bad approach.
____________________________________
Must give Credit to this signature's creator, its awesome.
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Athelas Loraiel
Amarr
Celestial Horizon Corp.
Valainaloce
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Posted - 2007.12.12 14:23:00 -
[2129]
and thats what makes me rethink my previous thoughts about CCP.
(I am refering to last post about the whole f#$%up process)
I wish it'll continue to be the case with information sharing.
Thank you ccp.
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gernader
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Posted - 2007.12.13 04:49:00 -
[2130]
I have to say this is the most ive ever seen any offical ccp responses in any forum, its like they know they messed up and no amount of denying it will make people forget about it, say this reminds me of a joke i heard about hell freezing over....... but to be serious im glad ccp is putting forth the effort. A truly honest thank you to the devs working this issue
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xsolarisx
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Posted - 2007.12.14 20:27:00 -
[2131]
i need help.. :) i have the Boot.ini. backup file, but i cannot figure out how to copy it into the directory. Do i just right click, copy Boot.ini backup file and paste it in front of the C:\ ? when i do that nothing happens...
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Gnirah Nhoj
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Posted - 2007.12.17 05:50:00 -
[2132]
OK I have two pc's that have been affected both will give me a bluescreen and say there is a hardware failure I have done nothing to but install the graphics on one and my son did it to his before I could get to him. This a very serious situation as I have court records on my drive and he has a thesis on his please help this could cost thousands of dollars that neither of us could possibly come up with
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Thaneal Swiftbird
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Posted - 2007.12.17 07:26:00 -
[2133]
Originally by: Gnirah Nhoj
OK I have two pc's that have been affected both will give me a bluescreen and say there is a hardware failure I have done nothing to but install the graphics on one and my son did it to his before I could get to him. This a very serious situation as I have court records on my drive and he has a thesis on his please help this could cost thousands of dollars that neither of us could possibly come up with
Hm... I thought that bug was long fixed now?
But just in case this is a serious post... there are a number of fixes for the boot.ini problem laid out in detail in this thread. I would suggest reading up the first page.
Nothing is lost. You only need to fix your boot.ini (if that is the bug affecting you) to get your system running again.
If you need your data FAST (eg. before you fix the boot issue), get a bootable Linux CD like Knoppix, or the Ubuntu live system. Start from said CD, open your harddrive (very easy with knoppix, just a simple klick on the desktop symbol for your harddrive) and copy your data to a USB-drive/stick/whatever. You could even burn it to CD or DVD that way, if your computer has a burner.
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BtHatch
Boli Me Kurc
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:18:00 -
[2134]
I got affected, my boot.ini was gone.. i probably fixed it, but i refuse to reboot my computer:)
And i'll slap anyone who mocks windows for stability!
System Up Time: 16 Days, 7 Hours, 57 Minutes, 6 Seconds
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.17 19:52:00 -
[2135]
Originally by: BtHatch
I got affected, my boot.ini was gone.. i probably fixed it, but i refuse to reboot my computer:)
And i'll slap anyone who mocks windows for stability!
System Up Time: 16 Days, 7 Hours, 57 Minutes, 6 Seconds
So if my eve is installed on my F: Drive then am ok ? ... its in a custom made folder.. no C: drive has been touched.. thats for windows only.
System Up Time: 271 Days, 9 Hours, 22 Minutes, 47 Seconds
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Aerilis
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Posted - 2007.12.18 03:31:00 -
[2136]
Hey guys, I have the boot.ini problem, and am a computer noob, though I have a bit more than absolute zero knowledge. My computer is off and missing boot.ini. When I try to use a recovery CD, I get blue screen'd. HOWEVER: my computer is a windows xp home edition, and the CD I'm trying to use is professional. Could this cause any problems? I really want to get my computer fixxed.
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