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Ari Chu
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.10 08:54:00 -
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Are the SOV timers still ticking for POS's deployed prior to the Patch?
Will we get some kind of "warm up period" before actual POS warfare can begin again? Even a 24-hour notification would allow players to become generally aware that POS warfare is back online so they can prepare themselves without the confussion of some players thinking it is still against the rules and others thinking otherwise.
Are we allowed to shoot our own POS's currently if we want to test things?
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Claire Parker
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Posted - 2007.12.10 09:54:00 -
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I find it insulting, that im required to pay for this week of eve (post Trinity patch deployment). The game has so many bugs that i consider it incomplete.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Jamie Hara Are you condoning the exploitation of bugs that was done before this news item was posted?
It wasn't an exploit until a GM declared it an exploit. That's the whole point.
If someone found a way to duplicate ISK or items he'd be banned as soon as the GMs found out. Then the exploit would be fixed and THEN it would be declared an exploit. An exploit is usually NOT only an exploit after it has been declared.
If I lost a POS to these bugs I'd petition and if necessary escalate the petition up to the highest authorities. If it would then not be reimbursed I'd very likely call it a day.
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Major Death
Caldari Yiotul Fighters Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:04:00 -
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Another part of the game not working since the eye candy patch. CCP sink to new lows. My original sig was 'Enjoy lag free play in a dynamic space MMORPG'. It was removed for lack of EVE content! ;) ALL YOUR BOOT.INI ARE BELONG TO CCP! |
Chardonay
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:21:00 -
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Grats CCP, I see the fabled 'lag-fix' has finally gone live !!
Awesome.
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Mr Duk
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.12.10 10:30:00 -
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Reading through this topic makes me wonder why so many people are taking about the Questions & Answers (Q&A) Deptartment, i didn't eve know there was one or what it would have to do we these issues! I think you all mean the Quality Assurance (QA)
Also if CCP reduced the anchor/online times of pos stuff, and reduced Sov gain to 1 or 2 days per level the players might just have spotted what your guys failed to do.
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Ventro69
Caldari Manson Family Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Ventro69 on 10/12/2007 11:17:00
On Saturday around 19h00 Euro, a roaming gang of Band Of Devs, was spotted a few systems form where my corp calls home. In a moment of brilliance, one of my corpies suggested we attack their pos next to the system we were in. Just one Raven, shoot a few shots, just enough so that someone, somewhere will get the mail and alert the rest of alliance. Thus, diverting roaming gang from whatever their objective was and spoiling their plans to attack ratters, miners, haulers. I have bookmarks anyways, so was able to get Raven pilot in position and actually tanked said pos for about 5 minutes before having to warp and return to base.
I proceeded to go engage in an evening of promiscuous debauchery, only to return to my beloved New Eden the next morning & find that pos warfare was now banned, for the time being anyways.
Was it so inconvenient for the Baaaabs, that they immediately put back-up plan 71.c in motion? Was a certain Mr. Shrek offline or was the Avatar in the shop for new white walls? Just bacause bob-for-apples couldn't (safely) make it to one pos, the rest of the community can't shoot at them anymore?
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MadDoc Brown
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Ventro69 Edited by: Ventro69 on 10/12/2007 11:17:00
On Saturday around 19h00 Euro, a roaming gang of Band Of Devs, was spotted a few systems form where my corp calls home. In a moment of brilliance, one of my corpies suggested we attack their pos next to the system we were in. Just one Raven, shoot a few shots, just enough so that someone, somewhere will get the mail and alert the rest of alliance. Thus, diverting roaming gang from whatever their objective was and spoiling their plans to attack ratters, miners, haulers. I have bookmarks anyways, so was able to get Raven pilot in position and actually tanked said pos for about 5 minutes before having to warp and return to base.
I proceeded to go engage in an evening of promiscuous debauchery, only to return to my beloved New Eden the next morning & find that pos warfare was now banned, for the time being anyways.
Was it so inconvenient for the Baaaabs, that they immediately put back-up plan 71.c in motion? Was a certain Mr. Shrek offline or was the Avatar in the shop for new white walls? Just bacause bob-for-apples couldn't (safely) make it to one pos, the rest of the community can't shoot at them anymore?
Are you a complete idiot, or just on the forums, as this type of tinfoil hattery is getting quite mundane.
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Ventro69
Caldari Manson Family Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:25:00 -
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Nope, I don't limit myself to the forums. I, sir, am a complete idiot.
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MadDoc Brown
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ventro69 Nope, I don't limit myself to the forums. I, sir, am a complete idiot.
Apology accepted :)
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Ventro69
Caldari Manson Family Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:29:00 -
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Never apologised, was being flippant.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Jamie Hara Are you condoning the exploitation of bugs that was done before this news item was posted?
It wasn't an exploit until a GM declared it an exploit. That's the whole point.
If someone found a way to duplicate ISK or items he'd be banned as soon as the GMs found out. Then the exploit would be fixed and THEN it would be declared an exploit. An exploit is usually NOT only an exploit after it has been declared.
Do you have any evidence yo back this assumption up? Have people ever been banned for duplicating items or isk without warnings to stop from GMs first? I have yet to hear of GMs ever even temp-banning someone without first giving a warning to them to stop unless what they're doing is explicitly mentioned in the EULA. Even the zombies were told to stop and didn't listen to GMs.
But you also have to remember what you're asking for here. You're asking that everyone who has engaged in POS warfare since the patch be banned from Eve. Every major alliance's main pvp force would be banned and CCP would lose a substantial portion of their playerbase. You might as well ask them to ban all missionrunners because a certain mission NPC gives ten times higher bounty than it's supposed to(they aren't but it's an example). It's just not going to happen.
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:48:00 -
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Hahahaha, you people whining about how bad CCP are amuse me immensely.
Sure the bug should have detected by the QA team first. But it is also YOUR fault. Everyone logged onto the TEST server just to see the new shiny stuff or to gain knowledge so that they can pwn their market competitors. Sure, and that is the intend of the test server... Everyone there logging in should TEST stuff and report it then. But oh wait, that is work and you only want entertainment.... Wtf are you doing on the test server then? You have no business there!
And yelling and *****ing about the decision to forbid the pos warfare. That is the only right thing to do!
**** happened. So what? Deal with it!
And CCP made the right thing. Freezing pos warfare (and deplyoment of new pos in hostile area) is good. Now they can work on a good solution, hopefully test it properly and then install it!
And about people moaning how bad the expansion is. How many server crashes did we have since the expansion? I remember the patch days when you had server crashes regularly for days on after every patch.
Yes, they SHOULD have tested everything more thoroughly. And yes they SHOULD kick their QA and more important they should deny them their daily bree ration for a while
But now that sh*t happened I think it is best not to moan and ***** but to GIVE SOME IDEAS ABOUT SOLUTIONS! And also report bugs and do not exploit them!
How many people reported the 0 ROF bug? I know at least some people who just went on a killing spree to kill pos (hi tcf) and even wrote on their killboards something like pos-killing paradise. CCP did a mistake, but also some player behaving like idiots are guilty.
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barvo
7th Space Cavalry SOUL CARTEL
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Posted - 2007.12.10 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: F'nog Except that, as stated repeatedly above, this wasn't something people learned from Sisi. This is brand new to Tranq, yet they're still taking advantage of it.
Says who? The people who found it and didn't report it, and then exploited it for three days?
Just sayin'
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 12:32:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur Every major alliance's main pvp force would be banned and CCP would lose a substantial portion of their playerbase.
Good then. I would argue that, in the longrun, banning all proved and repeat offenders of cheating will surely benefit the game in terms of sustaining and increasing the playerbase. A cheater's actions will easily affect far more ppl than his "cheating team", especialy if it's in the pvp area. And once tried, be sure that he won't hesitate at all in the future to take advantage of the newest bug/loophole. |
Braaage
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 12:33:00 -
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Is this fixed now??
DT message stated you were hotfixing it? -- eve-guides.com Includes all about POSs, outposts, tech II production, item database and much much more. |
Bellator Militaris
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Posted - 2007.12.10 12:39:00 -
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Let's see is this so hard to understand: "No you can't fire on any POS" CCP
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Saladin
Minmatar Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.12.10 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Hahahaha, you people whining about how bad CCP are amuse me immensely.
Sure the bug should have detected by the QA team first. But it is also YOUR fault. Everyone logged onto the TEST server just to see the new shiny stuff or to gain knowledge so that they can pwn their market competitors. Sure, and that is the intend of the test server... Everyone there logging in should TEST stuff and report it then. But oh wait, that is work and you only want entertainment.... Wtf are you doing on the test server then? You have no business there!
Sure you can test issues on the test server, but do you know how time consuming anchoring a POS+modules can be? I used to test POS stuff on SiSi but it was taking too much time. I asked devs/GMs and there was no way to speed it up. And after going through all that effort it was all taken away in the next mirror.
So I don't think most people will test POS stuff on the server in a thorough manner unless CCP makes it so that everything has an anchor/online time of one second and the structures small enough to fit in a frigate.
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Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie Hahahaha, you people whining about how bad CCP are amuse me immensely.
Sure the bug should have detected by the QA team first. But it is also YOUR fault.
Laugh all you like but you sound like a buffoon if you're telling me that we the customers are responsible for quality assurance, or have you forgotten that it's the customers who PAY CCP to produce a game that we enjoy playing?
Personally I don't enjoy paying to have to QA someone else's product, and I expect the revenue generated by my and many other customers, to find it's way into making the game better not worse.
CCP this is not the nerf you are looking for... |
Dr Slaughter
Rabies Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.10 13:25:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 10/12/2007 13:26:52
Originally by: Saladin but do you know how time consuming anchoring a POS+modules can be? I used to test POS stuff on SiSi but it was taking too much time.
Stuff that. Surely CCP's devs should have built test harnesses (built on Unit Testing) for testing deploying a POS? They have after all had over a year to do it.
Basic functionality should not break like this and go undetected.
CCP this is not the nerf you are looking for... |
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The Mittani
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 13:52:00 -
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posting in a bored 0.0 alliance leader thread
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.10 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Metal Dude
Originally by: HotSeat So what, Bob wanted time off to shop for the holidays?
Attacking there POS's is the only way to get them to fight
Hope fix is ASAP Grimmi
Oh yes, because PL siege so many POSes in BoB space you would know. And your cloaked fitted nano ships sure are set up for fights, so thatĘs why you get so many.
I believe "HotSeat's House of Ho's" has a POS where,ummm, BOB's POS used too be
As to no smack, above posts by myself are fact, smack would be "Bob sucks" for example.
Also I'm still confused how to fit my Lachy? First you said I put nano's on it, but now you say cloak's?
Oh wait, you want me to fit it with a cloak and nano's, then you will fight...... k
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.12.10 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
But you also have to remember what some people are asking for here. They're asking that everyone who has engaged in POS warfare since the patch be banned from Eve. Every major alliance's main pvp force would be banned and CCP would lose a substantial portion of their playerbase. You might as well ask them to ban all missionrunners because a certain mission NPC gives ten times higher bounty than it's supposed to(they aren't but it's an example). It's just not going to happen.
In this case I'd just expect them to restore the status quo on patchday in claimed systems POS and sov-wise. Hard to do? Probably. Tough **** if you **** up so badly :P
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Rolly Polly
20th Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.10 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: ElCoCo Good then. I would argue that, in the longrun, banning all proved and repeat offenders of cheating will surely benefit the game in terms of sustaining and increasing the playerbase. A cheater's actions will easily affect far more ppl than his "cheating team", especialy if it's in the pvp area. And once tried, be sure that he won't hesitate at all in the future to take advantage of the newest bug/loophole.
Here, Here.
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BLACKOUT6
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:35:00 -
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Could we get an update on this matter?
It should be in your interest to hold your customers informed, and no communication and ignore them is no way to this. A two lines update post in form of "we work on it" or "we have to fix other problems first" can't take to much time. |
Princess Jodi
Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:46:00 -
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First CCP removes the ability to haul POS fuels (the Carrier nerf part 1), while at the same time not giving a replacement (Jump Freighters will take months to become common), and as a final straw CCP breaks POS's but expects us to keep them fueled.
I ask that we get a day's worth of fuel for 75 POS's, delivered to our Corp hangar in 0.0, for each day that passes between the patch and the eventual fix.
I'd also suggest that a serious look be taken at the QA department. Besides past lapses, we have had the idiocy of ZuluPark and this fiasco come from them. Go swing the nerfbat on them for awhile, and make recompense to all us hardworking POS managers that they have abused.
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Erotic Irony
0bsession
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Posted - 2007.12.10 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Princess Jodi First CCP removes the ability to haul POS fuels (the Carrier nerf part 1), while at the same time not giving a replacement (Jump Freighters will take months to become common), and as a final straw CCP breaks POS's but expects us to keep them fueled.
I ask that we get a day's worth of fuel for 75 POS's, delivered to our Corp hangar in 0.0, for each day that passes between the patch and the eventual fix.
I'd also suggest that a serious look be taken at the QA department. Besides past lapses, we have had the idiocy of ZuluPark and this fiasco come from them. Go swing the nerfbat on them for awhile, and make recompense to all us hardworking POS managers that they have abused.
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Lerrroy Jeeenkins
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Duke Grail Edited by: Duke Grail on 10/12/2007 03:30:12
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: ElCoCo
Ppl abusing this until the announcement have nothing to fear? Not even a warning? You guys are so f'in weak.
So people repeatedly using the infamous 0 rof dread lulz and repeatedly attack POS's in ways (with caps and cynojammer present) that would otherwise be impossible are off the hook?
Don't you realise that these are the kinds of ppl that will rush to exploit the next loophole/bug/whatever you're going to introduce?
I agree, let the bans be retroactive!
/me waves goodbye to goons capital fleet!
Dear Troll, i don't actually think we attacked anyone using dreads (at least i didn't). We had been planning on doing something this weekend but that got the axe from CCP.
We havn't actually had to deploy caps to shot pos in a while.
Keep posting though, it's making you look smarter.
SO let me get this straight... you knew of the Dread issue and were still planning on "doing something this weekend"
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ElCoCo
KIA Corp KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Erotic Irony you know you're playing a game right
I think he does. Managing pos's and -generaly- everything revolving around them does not seem like playing a game |
Zastrow
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.10 17:29:00 -
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I used to think POS shotting was boring, but definitely not as boring as things are now. This patch sucks
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