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Jesum
Amarr
Warmongers
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Posted - 2007.12.09 15:58:00 -
[91]
How about attacking ships inside pos shields? Exploit, yeah?
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:00:00 -
[92]
 Originally by: Jesum
How about attacking ships inside pos shields? Exploit, yeah?
Shouldn't be possible. You can't lock a ship inside the shield and you can't physically get inside without the password. If there's no password, there's no shield and no exploit.
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Yakoff
Star Scream Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:00:00 -
[93]
So out of curiosity, say some one knocked a pos into reinforced mode and disabled it's arrays. This was before today's announcement. Will said knockers get banned?
Further into that, say the defenders of the pos now take advantage of this and rep their pos's shields and rep the arrays as well. Are the defenders to be banned as well?
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Moghydin
Confederation of Red Moon
Red Moon Federation
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:01:00 -
[94]
The most interesting question is how bug of THIS size have slipped through a QA division
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:01:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Yakoff
So out of curiosity, say some one knocked a pos into reinforced mode and disabled it's arrays. This was before today's announcement. Will said knockers get banned?
No, GM rulings aren't applied retroactively. But it's annoying because the POS will come out of reinforced and can be repaired but you aren't allowed to finish it off.
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:02:00 -
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in all honesty... fix it, make a rollback give people the sp from X days of training and be done with it..
your soo late that it have already cost quite a lot of isk, time and annoyance...
this patch have been one big bug ;)
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Jenessa
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:03:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Yakoff
So out of curiosity, say some one knocked a pos into reinforced mode and disabled it's arrays. This was before today's announcement. Will said knockers get banned?
No, GM rulings aren't applied retroactively. But it's annoying because the POS will come out of reinforced and can be repaired but you aren't allowed to finish it off.
I think the answer to that is pretty obvious, CCP arent gonna ban anyone for anything they did to a pos before they made this announcement. DUH!
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GM Spiral
Game Masters
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:04:00 -
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Some of your are asking why this was necessary.
This decree is to ensure the status quo holds until a fix can be deployed for those issues identified.
I am fairly certain that we can agree that gains against your enemies are hollow if they are achieved
through a fault in the system rather than your own prowess.
We can only apologize for the current situation and attempt to assure you that this will be addressed
as soon as possible.
Clarification: Abusing the current POS warfare mechanics after the posting of the news item is
considered an exploit. Those that participated in POS warfare prior to the news item will have nothing
to fear.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:05:00 -
[99]
Originally by: GM Spiral
Some of your are asking why this was necessary.
This decree is to ensure the status quo holds until a fix can be deployed for those issues identified.
What issues? We're all talking about POS issues here but what exact issues prompted this ruling? That's what people are asking.
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Admiral Nova
Strike Team Nova
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:06:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Yakoff
So out of curiosity, say some one knocked a pos into reinforced mode and disabled it's arrays. This was before today's announcement. Will said knockers get banned?
Further into that, say the defenders of the pos now take advantage of this and rep their pos's shields and rep the arrays as well. Are the defenders to be banned as well?
If you are really really lucky what was destroyed you can get back. As for bannings, until they announce it's an exploit usually not. Though some of the rather 'obvious' exploits people can be banned for without an announcement, I doubt this one will, they'll be too busy dealing with petitions...
Defenders repping, while it sucks, is maintaing the status quo, TBH I wouldn't have attacked anything knowing how buggy POS's were at the moment, since it was fairly obvious that an announcement like this should have been made within 12 hours of the server coming up.
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
Malicious Intentions
The Church.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:07:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 09/12/2007 15:26:46
Merc corp sieges tower in high-sec/low-sec.
Tower is due to come out of reinforced soon.
Attacking corp cannot attack it or they will get banned.
Defending corp is free to take down the mods and repp it.
So what will YOU do then CCP ?
I'm not in this situation, but some are. :)
Obviously shoot the ships scooping the POS Bits. POS'es are bugged. Ships arent.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:08:00 -
[102]
Originally by: Admiral Nova
If you are really really lucky what was destroyed you can get back.
Yeah. To clarify, GMs can only give back what was destroyed. Anything that was dropped as loot cannot be given back because it was taken by another player and so giving it back would duplicate the items in question. Same as for ship reimbursements where you only get the destroyed modules.
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MAX MEXX
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:09:00 -
[103]
another thing "pos warfare" is not only shooting poses is it?
also pos spaming fals under this?
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Leader Idow
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:10:00 -
[104]
The status quo is an illusion, reinforcement timers are still ticking.
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Akira117
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:10:00 -
[105]
This patch transition has been smooth amiright?
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John McCreedy
Caldari
Eve Defence Force
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:11:00 -
[106]
Sorry if this has been asked for and/or given but I need clarification. Is this only POS Seiging with a Dread or does it extend to BS as well? I heard the problem was due to Dreads so if you could clarify this, that'd be great.
Thanks.
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Echon
Kaper Korp
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:12:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Nyphur
What issues? We're all talking about POS issues here but what exact issues prompted this ruling? That's what people are asking.
A list from this thread:
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
So is this the list of stuff that is broken with POS:
Guns won't fire back
Problems with controlling POS guns
Cyno Damps don't work
Jump bridge modules offline every DT
Re-Onlined JB's only work for corp who own the towers, not alliance nor anyone else who may have standings to use them (as was possible before)
Dragon Greg:
Password resets
Arrays emptying after they offline themselves
Silo's not accepting input
Refinery structures swallowing input
Nyphur:
Some reactor/silo links just turned off for no reason.
POS with no password have no shield bubble. This is a feature but clearly the devs didn't consider that people could lock POS modules of online POS during wars.
Mobile labs apparently have about as much HP as a cargo container and can be suicide ganked with a frig.
-Echon
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WrathOfOprah
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:12:00 -
[108]
Originally by: GM Spiral
I am fairly certain that we can agree that gains against your enemies are hollow if they are achieved
through a fault in the system rather than your own prowess.
I disagree
See: POS Bowling
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Yakoff
Star Scream Inc.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:13:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Jenessa
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Yakoff
So out of curiosity, say some one knocked a pos into reinforced mode and disabled it's arrays. This was before today's announcement. Will said knockers get banned?
No, GM rulings aren't applied retroactively. But it's annoying because the POS will come out of reinforced and can be repaired but you aren't allowed to finish it off.
I think the answer to that is pretty obvious, CCP arent gonna ban anyone for anything they did to a pos before they made this announcement. DUH!
That is what I was assuming as well - can not ban retroactively. Hates to be a fleet that put a pos into reinforced but can not finish it off now.
However, what about the defenders? I assume that it will be allowed to rep it, as it was unfair for their pos to be attacked without defending it properly.
Hate to be both attackers and defenders here. As both sides need to do work (attacking/repping) that would be rick rolled back.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Enuma Elish.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:13:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Volarius
Would CCP be so kind as to provide tri with a modest fleet of mining barges and exhumers so we have something to do while this is getting fixed? 
I'd do this just for the opportunity to take screenies ;p
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249km locking?
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Spoon Thumb
Paladin Imperium
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:19:00 -
[111]
People seem to be forgetting jump bridges, which before gave a logistical and tactical edge
Khaldari
khanidpublic : RP channel for supporters of the Kingdom
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Zamolxis
Amarr
Avaritia.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:21:00 -
[112]
All POS jobs should be frozen.
If we can't kill them cause you've banned it, then they should be banned from taking advantage of 'invulnerable' POS' producing from titans to hulks.
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SiamFattiCosi
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:29:00 -
[113]
I hope ccp doesn't do this for all the buggs. Then we wouldn't be allowed to play the game anymore 
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chromer one
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:30:00 -
[114]
Maybe we should anchor secure cans and start defending them.
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Ozzie Asrail
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:31:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Jesum
How about attacking ships inside pos shields? Exploit, yeah?
Shouldn't be possible. You can't lock a ship inside the shield and you can't physically get inside without the password. If there's no password, there's no shield and no exploit.
Not if the pos password got reset in the patch.
All in all it's a bit of a mess
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:32:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Nyphur on 09/12/2007 16:31:59
Originally by: Echon
Originally by: Nyphur
What issues? We're all talking about POS issues here but what exact issues prompted this ruling? That's what people are asking.
A list from this thread:
Originally by: Spoon Thumb
So is this the list of stuff that is broken with POS:
-Echon
Yes, I did reference that list but you're not a GM. I asked specifically what broken game mechanics brought on the need for the pos warfare ban.
And as people have pointed out, this will not freeze the status quo. People can use POS to tactical advantage by hiding in the shields and telling their attackers that attacking the POS is a bannable offence. Reinforced timers are ticking, people can repair their POS without the attackers being able to stop them and labs, factories and reactors are still running but now without any risk until the bug is fixed. This is anything but status quo.
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Xendie
Celestial Apocalypse
Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:32:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Zamolxis
All POS jobs should be frozen.
If we can't kill them cause you've banned it, then they should be banned from taking advantage of 'invulnerable' POS' producing from titans to hulks.
This.
Also... does this mean alliances can deploy POS's without any problems! Well done CCP very well done, two major*****ups on one patch
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Zamolxis
Amarr
Avaritia.
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:33:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Xendie
Originally by: Zamolxis
All POS jobs should be frozen.
If we can't kill them cause you've banned it, then they should be banned from taking advantage of 'invulnerable' POS' producing from titans to hulks.
This.
Also... does this mean alliances can deploy POS's without any problems! Well done CCP very well done, two major*****ups on one patch
Shame they won't do it :(
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Fergus Runkle
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:34:00 -
[119]
Another (minor) issue with POS. Access permissions.
In order to put anything into or take from a structure with a hangar ie a lab or an assembly array you are now prompted that you need either the Starbase Fuel Technician OR the Configure Starbase Roles.
In the grand scheme of whats going on I know its not that important, but I'm sure there are lots of CEO that do not want to grant Configure Starbase just so their staff can use labs or assembly arrays.
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HotSeat
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.12.09 16:41:00 -
[120]
So what, Bob wanted time off to shop for the holidays?
Attacking there POS's is the only way to get them to fight
Hope fix is ASAP Grimmi
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