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Terraisa Nichols Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:32:00 - [181] I was completly certain this was a joke when I saw the thread title but then I checked out the news center. The nerfageadon. The boot.ini nerf and now this... CCP: May I suggest you try and get the original dev team back? The monkeys with keyboards thing isn't working out.
Terrist	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:34:00 - [182] Your QA group is terrible.
WrathOfOprah Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:36:00 - [183] Originally by: Arlenna Molatov Originally by: Meeko Gloom Dear Players Due to current issues with Player Owned Structures in general and in particular the pwnage being dealt to our pets,GOONSWARM,(since, of course we now have MORE devs in Goons than in BOB), we are now forbidding all warfare against or with them. Had to fix it for you to set the record straight. Straight from CCPs mouth. Because what comes from CCP's mouth is always the truth. See: "The servers are fine. There is no lag."
Athena Minoko	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:44:00 - [184] Originally by: WrathOfOprah Edited by: WrathOfOprah on 09/12/2007 19:37:29 Because what comes from CCP's mouth is always the truth. See: "The servers are fine. There is no lag." edit: It's me. Im da dev in da poast. OMG goonsploitshaxhalp! Kill the dev!
Ar'tee DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:47:00 - [185] Originally by: Spoon Thumb it is the player base's fault for no one finding this out on sisi. Forgive me for being unaware that CCP is paying me to test their software. ... Oh, wait. -- All I'll say with regard to the "war" is this - BoB never should have attacked ASCN. - Seleene
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 19:56:00 - [186] Originally by: Metal Dude Yup, those will get you fights every time, because that's what PL wants, fights. That's why they ALL fit cloaks on their ships, right? Yea, right. Hey Mental dude, wassup? Isn't your routine of flaming adversaries when your alliance is dying getting abit old? --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
sov68n Caldari Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:04:00 - [187] Damn it CCP we pay you $15 a month for a game you constantly screw up even with all the funding we give you. Hire better software programmers.
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:30:00 - [188] Originally by: Xirxo Seriously, people complaining here need to play a SOE game. Then you'd see what true fail is. And not just once in awhile. EVERY patch you'd get to experience it like a (very) broken record. I played SWG, I bet you can guess when I left (PS...might check my creation date here...) The problem I see is that the last couple of patches have shown that for some reason CCP is not producing the same quality that they did when I first came here. By far Trinity is the most bugged patch they've ever put out, and actually is probably on par with some of the SWG patches we used to have, that's not really a good thing. I'm glad they made an official announcement finally on this POS fiasco. It really has hit a lot of friends as well as those I don't know. It should have been made within 24 hours of Trinity patch I think but I'm glad they did it now. You don't know how much I sweated for a day because I couldn't get on the first day after the Trinity patch after I heard of the POS issues. I hope they get this stuff fixed before Christmas. Thoughts expressed are mine and mine alone. They do not necessarily reflect my alliances thoughts.
Exiled One Amarr	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:46:00 - [189] Originally by: Zachri Purge pos warfare, bring back real pvp.
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:53:00 - [190] lulz. Point of clarification on something please. What can players who have lost things through use of this exploit expect, in terms of reimbursement? Say no to knee-jerk additions and nerfs, mmkay?
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2007.12.09 20:58:00 - [191] Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 09/12/2007 21:14:54 Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 09/12/2007 21:06:16 Originally by: GM Grimmi EDIT: Clarification: Abusing the current POS warfare mechanics after the posting of the news item is considered an exploit. Those that participated in POS warfare prior to the news item will have nothing to fear. It is common knowledge that benefiting from exploiting a known bug is against the EULA and bannable without further warnings. So why the change of policy now to let off those exploiting this for that last two days ? It not like this exploit was unknown. Cheating is Cheating and the exploitors should be made an example of and banned. If you don't ban these exploitors you are sending the message play by the rules and get shafted, cheat and get away with it.
Bund GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:01:00 - [192] THEN DISABLE THE ABILITY TO TARGET POS STRUCTURES, YOU STUPID INCOMPETENT S MMOs that resort to punishment because they're incapable of managing game mechanics deserve to go out of business. Your utter failure knows no bounds.
nync UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:01:00 - [193] Originally by: CCP Nozh If we do a change, we have to do it properly
Yakoff Star Scream Inc.	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:02:00 - [194] Originally by: Sakura Nihil lulz. Point of clarification on something please. What can players who have lost things through use of this exploit expect, in terms of reimbursement? A rerendered shiney new Ibis.
Zakgram Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:04:00 - [195] >This means that no attacks are allowed on starbase control towers, their attached structures or outposts. HMm.... missions... destroy the outpost... maybe worth adding to the list of "not bannable offenses" is attacking NPC pos/structures/outposts in missions...
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:10:00 - [196] Originally by: Yakoff Originally by: Sakura Nihil lulz. Point of clarification on something please. What can players who have lost things through use of this exploit expect, in terms of reimbursement? A rerendered shiney new Ibis. Say no to knee-jerk additions and nerfs, mmkay?
Kerfira	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:13:00 - [197] Originally by: Mecinia Lua By far Trinity is the most bugged patch they've ever put out..... Oh no, it isn't They put out one a couple of years ago (autumn 2005 I think, can't remember the name) that was completely unplayable for weeks.... Trinity, for all its faults, actually support most player activities without major problems. The POS, jump clone and other issues are relatively isolated problems, but by and large most players can go by their daily game routine and not be affected much. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:32:00 - [198] Originally by: Wyke Mossari Originally by: GM Grimmi EDIT: Clarification: Abusing the current POS warfare mechanics after the posting of the news item is considered an exploit. Those that participated in POS warfare prior to the news item will have nothing to fear. It is common knowledge that benefiting from exploiting a known bug is against the EULA and bannable without further warnings. So why the change of policy now to let off those exploiting this for that last two days ? It not like this exploit was unknown. Cheating is Cheating and the exploitors should be made an example of and banned. If you don't ban these exploitors you are sending the message play by the rules and get shafted, cheat and get away with it. Because it's not an exploit until a GM declares that it's an exploit. The people in that thread are not GMs and no GM ruling had been made until this thread. Punishing people retroactively would just be stupid. Would you like to log in to find that you'd been banned because GMs had decided that something that you did yesterday or last week which at the time wasn't against the rules wasn't allowed? I'm all for punishing people for breaking the rules but that's not what you're asking for. You're asking for rules to be applied retroactively to punish people who didn't actually break any rules at the time. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:54:00 - [199] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Metal Dude Yup, those will get you fights every time, because that's what PL wants, fights. That's why they ALL fit cloaks on their ships, right? Yea, right. Hey Mental dude, wassup? Isn't your routine of flaming adversaries when your alliance is dying getting abit old? No ***0, I don't start the flaming, but I'm always looking to respond to one. As for my alliance dying, I can't wait. I'll be here every step of the way and loving it. After BoB is dead, my friends and me will be free to pay a visit to every one of you tough guys in your space. I can't wait. The list is getting longer and longer. Fun times ahead indeed. The truth will set you free
Pajamas Jack	Posted - 2007.12.09 21:56:00 - [200] I love CCP but maybe its time to face the truth. Perhaps they need to look into a 12 step program for the staff, because it seem the drinking is starting to effect their work.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2007.12.09 22:11:00 - [201] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Wyke Mossari Originally by: GM Grimmi EDIT: Clarification: Abusing the current POS warfare mechanics after the posting of the news item is considered an exploit. Those that participated in POS warfare prior to the news item will have nothing to fear. It is common knowledge that benefiting from exploiting a known bug is against the EULA and bannable without further warnings. So why the change of policy now to let off those exploiting this for that last two days ? It not like this exploit was unknown. Cheating is Cheating and the exploitors should be made an example of and banned. If you don't ban these exploitors you are sending the message play by the rules and get shafted, cheat and get away with it. Because it's not an exploit until a GM declares that it's an exploit. The people in that thread are not GMs and no GM ruling had been made until this thread. Punishing people retroactively would just be stupid. Would you like to log in to find that you'd been banned because GMs had decided that something that you did yesterday or last week which at the time wasn't against the rules wasn't allowed? I'm all for punishing people for breaking the rules but that's not what you're asking for. You're asking for rules to be applied retroactively to punish people who didn't actually break any rules at the time. I gotta disagree with you there, Nyph. The old adage goes: "If it's too good to be true, it's probably an exploit." Do you really think that many people didn't realize that by attacking POSes that didn't fire back at all, with 0 RoF dreads wasn't a problem? I'm sure there are many who did this without immediately realizing there was a problem. But most of them would have stopped after they realized it was too easy. Anyone who had previously attacked a POS would notice the difference. The fact is that there were several, possibly many, corps out there who took advantage of this bug. They knew they were getting away with murder, but they continued to do it. I'm also sure these will be the first who stop attacking POSes, because they're also smart enough to read the news. The fact is they knew they were taking advantage of a bug, which is the definition of exploiting, and continued to do it. People have been banned in the past for exploiting things before something official was posted. The only reason CCP isn't doing anything this time is the workload of so many exploiting it. They have to know they screwed up by not making this statement 3 days ago, and now they're trying to make their lives easier rather than actually dealing with the fallout from this cluster**? And as to the BoB/Goon bit above. How many aren't a little skeptical that this isn't the case? We know devs are in alliances, so who hasn't wondered why this obvious exploit wasn't acknowledged earlier? I don't think this is the case, but given Eve's history, many will be wondering: "Is this only an issue now because some dev's friends were adversely affected?" With all the drama of the past year, CCP really needs to put forth the effort to prove that this is not the case. Again, I don't believe this is what happened, but the impression of an act is often more important than the facts. Had they responded promptly, no one would even bother to make posts like those above. Originally by:** Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
ResearchBot 9	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:15:00 - [202] You just have to ask yourself... HOW IN HELL DOES ANYONE AT CCP STILL BELIEVE THEY HAVE A QA TEAM WORTH GIVI PAYCHECKS TO? Seriously, any software company I ever worked at would have heads rolling out of the parking lot by now. UI bugs? On the most simple UI buttons on the screen? The boot.ini thing is just beyond comprehension, but what completely escapes me is how anyone can assume that the free-for-all that happens on SiSi is in any way "QA testing." There's no POS warfare on SiSi. It's a major part of the game, but it doesn't get tested. At all. Anyone at CCP see how this could be a problem?
Will Hunter GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:24:00 - [203] Edited by: Will Hunter on 09/12/2007 23:25:10 Originally by: Bund THEN DISABLE THE ABILITY TO TARGET POS STRUCTURES, YOU STUPID INCOMPETENT S MMOs that resort to punishment because they're incapable of managing game mechanics deserve to go out of business. Your utter failure knows no bounds. apart from the flames (well deserved), thats the perfect solution until a fix is done
WarGod The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:34:00 - [204] ohh i get it, its a joke Wog1
Vadinho GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:41:00 - [205] Originally by: WarGod ohh i get it, its a joke I have a better joke, wanna hear it? Okay here it goes: CCP's QA Team Get it because they're a total joke
Kasak Black The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:41:00 - [206] Originally by: WarGod ohh i get it, its a joke If only it was...
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:45:00 - [207] Edited by: clone 1 on 09/12/2007 23:46:55 Originally by: Vadinho Originally by: WarGod ohh i get it, its a joke I have a better joke, wanna hear it? Okay here it goes: CCP's QA Team Get it because they're a total joke I think it will depend on the next devblog if I laugh or not. Better be soon shakes fist Originally by: GM Grimmi EDIT: Clarification: Abusing the current POS warfare mechanics after the posting of the news item is considered an exploit. Those that participated in POS warfare prior to the news item will have nothing to fear. GM Posts in this thread: Linkage I think you need to clarify that clarification oh wise GM Grimmi.. Always Moaning About Race Retardations
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.12.09 23:51:00 - [208] Dear Customers, We broke the game. Stop playing it or we'll ban you. Sincerely, CCP P.S. You still have to keep paying us
ElCoCo KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:02:00 - [209] Ppl abusing this until the announcement have nothing to fear? Not even a warning? You guys are so f'in weak. So people repeatedly using the infamous 0 rof dread lulz and repeatedly attack POS's in ways (with caps) that would otherwise be impossible are off the hook? Don't you realise that these are the kinds of ppl that will rush to exploit the next loophole/bug/whatever you're going to introduce? It's all about the subscriptions right? I wonder how many will quit over this tbh... not enough for you to mind obviously... or so you'd think I guess. POS stuff are so boring and tedious (btw, I have nothing to do with POS's dmged this way and nor has anyone in my alliance)
Zaisig Murakk	Posted - 2007.12.10 00:08:00 - [210] Edited by: Zaisig Murakk on 10/12/2007 00:09:15 Edited by: Zaisig Murakk on 10/12/2007 00:08:58 "ok guys, we broke your POSs. But you should still Fuel them." Thanks CCP. Really.

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