It is the pervasiveness of {Goons} that troubles me. Largest alliance, so they have big swing in the game. CSM swing, so they "speak for us" then they are in the company so they have control of the game swing.

Doesn't this bother anyone else? People get fired and disbarred as lawyers for conflicts of interest like this.

Further, someone in game mentioned that too many with one mind set can imbalance a game and ruin it. I hope that isn't happening.

Beware the force of perception.

Do you deny that the game has a heavy slant to push people into null sec? Why are they wanting to nerf ABC ores? Isn't the choice to stay in WHs and avoid null sec a prerogative of the customer?
Have to be careful when taking away options.

Getting late here but I am sure you can all find ways that the game pushes and keeps trying to push people into null sec.

Someone was suggesting the other day that null sec should be in the middle of space and the factions at each compass point.

The list of CSMs (I was told two have stepped down since the emergency meeting, anyone got confirmation?

Hypothetical possibility

On page 27

What could have happened is
Goons CEO "Get more people into null sec"
Goon staff of CCP "We remove ore so they must come to null sec! CSM Goons back me up"
Goons CSMs "There is much ore coming from WHs"
Other CSMs "Lies!"

Well said

CCP want more players in 0.0.

0.0 players invest more time/energy/real life money than high sec players.
0.0 players create the stories that drive EVE marketing.
0.0 is the defining difference between Eve Online and WOW in space.

Because 0.0 players invest more time/energy/real life money into the game they care more about what happens than other groups. They will ensure CCP hears their voice.

CCP want more players in 0.0.

0.0 players invest more time/energy/real life money than high sec players.
0.0 players create the stories that drive EVE marketing.
0.0 is the defining difference between Eve Online and WOW in space.

Because 0.0 players invest more time/energy/real life money into the game they care more about what happens than other groups. They will ensure CCP hears their voice.

I can argue that my $15 ($30 actually) spends just like anyone else's and itll be spent elsewhere (An Im sure Im not the only one) when the Goons Destroy OUR game (Given they "dont want to destroy THE game, just YOURS") by making higsec unlivable.

and you guys complain about russians??

Not to mention VILE RAT bots aswell? hahahahh

let's see how goons damage controll this one

evenews24 expose goons RTM/bot ring

I can argue that unless you have dealt with the logistics of fitting fleet ships for a 1000man alliance when the nearest market hub is 24 gates away while under constant encroachment by enemy roaming gangs, that you little about time and energy investment.

At what point do you think that new players want to go out to 0.0 space?
- Is it when they are incredibly frustrated from not being able to grow in high sec?
- Is it when they can't afford to buy their capital ships when you ruin WHs?
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Throw newbies in at the deep end and to Sansha space with the ones that drown!

Basically.

Think how many steps CCP have taken to ensure that high sec is safer?
Think how many newbies would hit a warp bubble, die and quit?

Not everyone goes at the same pace, leave options open.

Does it follow that that same place have a near-monopoly on low-end mineral mining, ice mining, T1 and T2 manufacturing, logistics, etc. due to its safety? Not really.

So you want to put the building blocks that would help them step into null sec beyond their reach?

I doubt CCP soundwave is risking ....

CCP want more players in 0.0.

0.0 players invest more time/energy/real life money than high sec players.
0.0 players create the stories that drive EVE marketing.
0.0 is the defining difference between Eve Online and WOW in space.

Because 0.0 players invest more time/energy/real life money into the game they care more about what happens than other groups. They will ensure CCP hears their voice.

Fair enough and let me be clear. I am not saying that Goons are messing with things and pulling puppet strings. I am suggesting there is a conflict of interest and that the possibility for abuse exists.

And this is Eve so that is good....

I can argue that unless you have dealt with the logistics of fitting fleet ships for a 1000man alliance when the nearest market hub is 24 gates away while under constant encroachment by enemy roaming gangs, that you little about time and energy investment.

so u jump 10 JF from ur 0.0 station to lowsec bordering highsec, warp to gate, fill on stuff scout the lowsec gate then cyno back

hell
ESCORT YOUR ****, u know, caps on standby, 100 or so battleships

Think how many newbies would hit a warp bubble, die and quit?

Not everyone goes at the same pace, leave options open.

Pretty much none, if they were introduced to the mechanic properly (i.e. in their first day/week when they have little to lose). The problem is that highsec forms a false illusion of safety in people, who are then very unwilling to move into what they view as more dangerous space.

Pretty much none, if they were introduced to the mechanic properly (i.e. in their first day/week when they have little to lose). The problem is that highsec forms a false illusion of safety in people, who are then very unwilling to move into what they view as more dangerous space.

running ppl on rails into 0.0 isnt what a sandbox is.
You cant create a sandbox game then ***** when theyre not playing it right.
there IS no right if its a true sandbox, which is what everyone calls this. If you start railing everyone alone level paths you lose the sandbox and turn it into something more akin to WoW. Where you can go where you want but if youve outlevelled an area youre not gonna profit by staying in there.

Please dont put WoW in my EVE. I like the flavor of my EVE as is.

The OP seems to believe the rights of high sec people are being trodden on by 0.0 alliances. To be blunt you have limited options:

1. Start your own alliance and evict some 0.0 members (can't beat em join em...)
2. Present yourself as a CSM candidate for 2012 and fight for the rights of H.S players in that medium
3. Use the advantages of High Sec to stifle 0.0 economies - Identify who your real trade partners are and only trade with High Sec dwellers.
4. Become a High Sec PVP corp and camp the pipes/gates/hubs frequently used by 0.0 alliances in High Sec.
5. Create threads bemoaning the bias exhibited by CCP toward 0.0 and comfort yourself with the warm arms of Cipher Jones embrace.

You can call pornography art. It doesn't make it any better.

I am willing to bet a significant amount of isk that if you pursue "option 6" you will find yourself holding "option 4" after 6 months.