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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.09.15 00:03:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Considering the source of your comment and the topic ... I am going to disregard it.  Ah so you're just here to rant and not actually discuss anything. That might be why nobody is taking you seriously.
But keep tilting at windmills...and never stop posting. |

Kengutsi Akira
GloboTech Industries
14
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Posted - 2011.09.15 00:09:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Kengutsi Akira wrote: funny thing? My main has had this experience, "he now has isk to buy anything he needs, good friends to hang out with, skill and knowledge to fly whatever he wants, and the knowledge that he is important to a large community." all in highsec
why cant you guys realize to let ppl play the way THEY want to. Like the "sandbox" ppl scream that this game is when its germane to their points in the argument theyre making.
One day, we will have the stats and it will turn out that null sec population is just 10% of game.
I wasnt even saying that, I was saying "let ME play the game MY WAY" Plus, theres no "end game" in a sandbox
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Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.15 00:24:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote: Ah so you're just here to rant and not actually discuss anything. That might be why nobody is taking you seriously.
But keep tilting at windmills...and never stop posting.
How is "bad thread" part of a discussion?
Kengutsi Akira wrote:
I wasnt even saying that, I was saying "let ME play the game MY WAY" Plus, theres no "end game" in a sandbox
Yes. Your first bit is part of the reason for this thread. CSM is mostly null sec corp people.
.... end game? ... CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Fawcks
Avoid and Evade Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
65
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Posted - 2011.09.15 01:00:00 -
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From now on please summarize your long ass ******* posts so I don't lose interest and move on to the next thread without even finishing this one. I could be missing some great stuff in these long posts but I'll never know it because they convey only soul-crushing boredom to my eyes.
TL;DR, short posts. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.15 01:14:00 -
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Fawcks wrote: TL;DR, short posts.
Goons in:
= conflict of interest. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Fawcks
Avoid and Evade Epsilon Shimmy Alliance
65
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Posted - 2011.09.15 11:59:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Fawcks wrote: TL;DR, short posts.
Goons in: = conflict of interest. Thanks, sweetmeat. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.15 15:21:00 -
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Fawcks wrote:[quote=Jenshae Chiroptera] Thanks, sweetmeat.
You are welcome. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

The Mittani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
480
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Posted - 2011.09.15 17:24:00 -
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Paranoid about goons? You shouldn't play League of Legends, either. One of my former agents (Randuin) is staff at Riot.
I'll save Malcanis the effort of correcting the badposter who has no idea about the focus of Goonswarm on the newbie situation. We have always been about newbies in 0.0 and wrecking the old guard; one of the primary reasons why GSF and myself personally oppose the Dominion sov system and Supercapitals is that these erect tremendous barriers to entry to getting into nullsec for smaller alliances.
Back in the day, all you needed was a few towers, a pile of rifters and an axe to grind. Today, you can't even grind your way through Dominion structures without wanting to kill yourself from sheer boredom unless you have a supercap or three to chew through the bloody things. And how is a new alliance going to get supercaps without getting rich first? Before the tech rebalance, valuable moons were everywhere in the galaxy. Nowadays, if you want the income to crap out supercaps, you need tech, and you have to fight and seize that tech from the folks who have 100+ supercap fleets - a tall order for a sub-1000 pilot alliance.
In sum, nullsec as it stands currently is laughably broken, and any sensible commentator or nullsec resident knows it - which is exactly why nullsec, in a rage, seized the CSM. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.16 01:33:00 -
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The Mittani wrote: In sum, nullsec as it stands currently is laughably broken, and any sensible commentator or nullsec resident knows it - which is exactly why nullsec, in a rage, seized the CSM.
I agree with your entire post.
Besides, "Paranoid" You don't actually say anything that is directed to the topic of this thread. I can understand Goons wanting to have one CSM so as to make their mark all over the game but is it not a conflict of interest to have the very voice of CSM being a Goons player?
I also think that the CSM needs representation of other aspects of the game to prevent it being blinkered down as single alley, once you turn the behemoth that is CCP.
I also agree with your article about how we need to direct our ire at solely the management level of CCP and not the entire company. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.16 10:07:00 -
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... CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.16 14:05:00 -
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Slow to warm up but this forum is really tearing along now  CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2011.09.16 14:35:00 -
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This is a bad thread and you should feel bad. |

Demon Azrakel
Defiant.. Narwhals Ate My Duck
30
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Posted - 2011.09.16 14:52:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote: 1. Start your own alliance and evict some 0.0 members (can't beat em join em...)
How, pray tell, is this different from w-space? Eviction happens, fights happen, you cannot run sites behind a bubble camp and instantly know if anyone enters local. Also, w-space PvE you have to pay attention (i.e. not easily bottable).
Risk v. Reward, w-space is riskier, the only thing we are immune to is afk cloakies. You, on the other hand, can easily warp off grid before that interceptor that just entered local lands on you (especially given the time it takes to scan out that sanctum...) |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.16 16:02:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:... you should feel bad.
Yes, I feel very, very bad!  CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.17 22:31:00 -
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Demon Azrakel wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote: 1. Start your own alliance and evict some 0.0 members (can't beat em join em...)
How, pray tell, is this different from w-space? Eviction happens, fights happen, you cannot run sites behind a bubble camp and instantly know if anyone enters local. Also, w-space PvE you have to pay attention (i.e. not easily bottable). Risk v. Reward, w-space is riskier, the only thing we are immune to is afk cloakies. You, on the other hand, can easily warp off grid before that interceptor that just entered local lands on you (especially given the time it takes to scan out that sanctum...)
WH space is much safer! You have all your big blobs, stations and can move caps around because the gates have no limit on mass ... erm ... wait, null sec. Nothing quite like being in a WH alone when some covert ships pop up and say "Hi" No warning in local. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:19:00 -
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Silent protest CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Sumos Tigerclaw
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
20
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:34:00 -
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Goons are like cancer to an MMO. EvE is so infected with them, its terminal. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2011.09.19 13:41:00 -
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Sumos Tigerclaw wrote:Goons are like cancer to an MMO. EvE is so infected with them, its terminal.
No they're more like Lupus than cancer. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
51
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Sumos Tigerclaw wrote:Goons are like cancer to an MMO. EvE is so infected with them, its terminal. No they're more like Lupus than cancer.
It's never Lupus. |

Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
206
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:44:00 -
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It's always Lupus. Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Things to do in EVE:-áhttp://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/ |

jason hill
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
4
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Posted - 2011.09.19 14:46:00 -
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many bags of popcorn have been eaten whilst reading this thread ...and to be fair it`s been one of the more interesting threads of late |

Delta Jax
NixCraft
4
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Posted - 2011.09.19 16:13:00 -
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Haters, Can we get some luv in lowsec.. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.19 16:36:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:It's always Lupus.[
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
Responding to your sig.
Yes. When I propose things to help new players it is to help me too because I want:
- More players,
- The game to prosper so there are more developers to improve it
- More people to play with
- More people to join my group
So, when I do suggest something to help them, I really want them to succeed for the long term as that benefits us all. I have a group in another game, which has been going for five years and has two objectives
- Help unite the faction (not likely to happen)
- Help new players.
CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2011.09.19 17:23:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Yes. When I propose things to help new players it is to help me too because I want:
- More players,
- The game to prosper so there are more developers to improve it
- More people to play with
- More people to join my group
Wow that's the same things Goons want. You should work with us.
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.19 19:00:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote: Wow that's the same things Goons want. You should work with us.
Can we separate two things in your minds?
- There is Goons and what they do in game or out.
- There is Goons and how they have permeated all aspects of the game, creating a conflict of interest.
I have no problem with Goons in general. My problem is with the conflict of interest and thus this thread.
John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834GÇô1902) "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
Charles Caleb Colton (1780 - 1832), Lacon, 1825 "It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power." CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Vak'ran
TUIG Inc.
44
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Posted - 2011.09.19 19:07:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ladie Scarlet wrote: Wow that's the same things Goons want. You should work with us.
Can we separate two things in your minds?
- There is Goons and what they do in game or out.
- There is Goons and how they have permeated all aspects of the game, creating a conflict of interest.
I have no problem with Goons in general. My problem is with the conflict of interest and thus this thread. John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834GÇô1902) "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men." Charles Caleb Colton (1780 - 1832), Lacon, 1825 "It is said that power corrupts, but actually it's more true that power attracts the corruptible. The sane are usually attracted by other things than power."
An often very true and sad thing here, though not absolutely a given.
However, there is the added problem that the people who are actually the best suited for these functions, tend to have such actual jobs, or similar, and will not be even remotely interested and/or able to spend such amounts of time and effort representing the players of a game as volunteers. What is left, is indeed an army of corruptible people.
Vak'Ran is your local unofficial non-dedicated part-time advocate of reading comprehension and proliferation of intelligence on the EVE Online Forums, offering advise and corrections of dubious quality since 2008. |

Trainwreck McGee
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2011.09.19 19:24:00 -
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TBH i have no ******* clue how the CSM thing works and i am glad they have no real power because everytime i read one of there posts i think THESE guys were elected??. And i doubt CCP employees will risk there jobs to help there old corps out.
Just dont nerf my C2 WH you bastards and I will be happy.
CCP Trainwreck - Weekend Custodial Engineer / CCP Necrogoats foot stool |

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2011.09.19 19:31:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Can we separate two things in your minds?
- There is Goons and what they do in game or out.
- There is Goons and how they have permeated all aspects of the game, creating a conflict of interest.
Well the first one seems kind of obvious and unnecessary to state but the second item is pure paranoid fantasy. Believe me if we had as much power as you think we do nullsec wouldn't have been nerfed to hell and back and supercaps never would have become the I-Win button that they are today. Unless you think we just let those things slide to cover for our real power grab...
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |

Jenshae Chiroptera
28
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Posted - 2011.09.19 19:40:00 -
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Ladie Scarlet wrote:[ Well the first one seems kind of obvious and unnecessary to state but the second item is pure paranoid fantasy. Believe me if we had as much power as you think we do nullsec wouldn't have been nerfed to hell and back and supercaps never would have become the I-Win button that they are today. Unless you think we just let those things slide to cover for our real power grab...
Conflict of interest does not mean that anything corrupt has happened yet. It is the potential for those things to happen.
{Side note: How are you posting with a character that doesn't exist?} CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die. |

Ladie Scarlet
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2011.09.19 21:55:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:{Side note: How are you posting with a character that doesn't exist?} goonhax
The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet. |
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