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Eternum Praetorian
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The Seventh Day
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:39:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:This thread should have died a long time ago.
The recent dev blogs coming out have shown that CCP are heading in a direction that I for one like:
- implants in pod kill-mails
- backending bug reports
- focusing on Eve Online over other games
Why you feel the need to bump your terrible thread and sight recent developments as evidence is beyond me.
Maybe he does not have as short of a memory as you choose to have? We have been asking for Implants on KM's for ages, and now suddenly "Poof" instantly there. Sounds like they could have done this a long long time ago, but were just ignoring the **** out of their player base. Let me sort this out step by step: 1. Random WH/High Sec guy starts thread claiming that goons are in control of too much. 2. Thread grinds on with Op looking sillier and sillier. 3. CCP change direction to do things lots of players want. 4. Op bumps thread saying: see I told you so! I told you so! 5. I pass comment that thread should have died ages ago and that the changes in CCP have nothing to do with this terrible excuse for a thread. 6. You claim my memory is short cause "we have been asking for implants on KM's for ages'... Way to take something out of context then jump to a stupid conclusion.
Such a poor and small little mind.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:46:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:This thread should have died a long time ago.
The recent dev blogs coming out have shown that CCP are heading in a direction that I for one like:
- implants in pod kill-mails
- backending bug reports
- focusing on Eve Online over other games
Why you feel the need to bump your terrible thread and sight recent developments as evidence is beyond me.
Maybe he does not have as short of a memory as you choose to have? We have been asking for Implants on KM's for ages, and now suddenly "Poof" instantly there. Sounds like they could have done this a long long time ago, but were just ignoring the **** out of their player base. Let me sort this out step by step: 1. Random WH/High Sec guy starts thread claiming that goons are in control of too much. 2. Thread grinds on with Op looking sillier and sillier. 3. CCP change direction to do things lots of players want. 4. Op bumps thread saying: see I told you so! I told you so! 5. I pass comment that thread should have died ages ago and that the changes in CCP have nothing to do with this terrible excuse for a thread. 6. You claim my memory is short cause "we have been asking for implants on KM's for ages'... Way to take something out of context then jump to a stupid conclusion. Such a poor and small little mind.
No rationale response so you go for the personal insult without adding anything else.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.25 00:56:00 -
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Jita Alt666 wrote:
No rationale response so you go for the personal insult without adding anything else.
Let me put what he said another way:
"There is no point arguing with a fool.
- They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
CSM do you think?
No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
403
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:06:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Quote:Eurogamer: The Council of Stellar Management [CSM] has been increasingly vocal and rebellious in recent months. What's your relationship with them like at the moment - your personal feelings and those of the company as a whole?
Hilmar P+¬tursson: The CSM has been under constant evolution based on what's going on in the current environment, what's going on with CCP and Eve, who's on the Council and all that. The CSM has helped greatly through the years in getting feedback for aspects of the game.
But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure, but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. We'll just see where we are and take it from there. You were saying? Link
You might want to back up and bold the first part of the sentence instead of cherry picking the part that makes it sound like he's agreeing with you.
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Jita Alt666
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:42:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jita Alt666 wrote:
No rationale response so you go for the personal insult without adding anything else.
Let me put what he said another way: "There is no point arguing with a fool. - They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience."
My arguments in this thread are clear, concise and reasonable. i am worried about the ability of some of this threads predominant readers comprehension levels.
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The Mittani
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1590
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Posted - 2011.10.25 01:45:00 -
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What I get from this thread: "nerf persuasive, attractive people who have charisma and a modicum of social graces"
Sorry kiddo. |
Flamespar
Woof Club
76
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Posted - 2011.10.25 03:02:00 -
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Yes the sucking chest wound present in the CSM do need to be addressed.
I can post on a forum, therefore I represent everyone. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.25 13:53:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:What I get from this thread: "nerf persuasive, attractive people who have charisma and a modicum of social graces"
Sorry kiddo.
I am going to take that as a joke.  If you were anywhere near serious ... 
CSM do you think?
No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
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CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
99
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:01:00 -
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Moved from General Discussion.
CCP Phantom - German Community Coordinator |
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Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:02:00 -
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CCP seems to be nerfing anything CSM related at this point.
Interesting...
This thread made 14 pages without getting moved, and yet now it gets moved without any reason given.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.25 14:05:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:... and yet now it gets moved without any reason given.
Quick Robin! Get out our tin foil hats! I sense a conspiracy theory approaching! 
CSM do you think?
No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Elson Tamar
Lion Investments
2
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:14:00 -
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The Mittani wrote:What I get from this thread: "nerf persuasive, attractive people who have charisma and a modicum of social graces"
Sorry kiddo.
I find you strangly attractive, so to save myself you need nerfing....
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Jenshae Chiroptera
50
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:17:00 -
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Mittens gets his groupies ... they turn out not to be quite what he hoped for ...
CSM do you think?
No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
439
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Posted - 2011.10.25 16:55:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Mittens gets his groupies ... they turn out not to be quite what he hoped for ...
Would you want a bunch of fat neckbeards as your groupies?
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Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
18
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:10:00 -
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Sooo, just read through this. (Its a slow workday) Throughout this entire thread, I failed to see any actual legitimate points laid out showing the current CSM's supposed 'war on HighSec/WH'. Hell when it was asked of the OP to put said points on the table he/she just said "sorry I don't talk to fools".
C'mon now. Besides a nerf to ABC ores in WH and a more than likely nerf to HighSec Incursion payouts (sidnote: which is seriously needed. I do them myself and the payouts are just dumb for the risk involved), what "war" is there? This current CSM has lobbied for all sorts of referendums, not all of which are NullSec based.
Reading all of these threads I get it, HighSec pilots want more representation. Perfectly understandable and justified. What I don't understand is why we have to make :tinfoil: thread after thread calling for the current CSM to resign or be restructured. This whole Ice Interdiction has somehow got the general forum warrior into the mindset that because Goons shoot HighSec miners, they must inherently be trying to destroy HighSec. There's a small logical fallacy in that.
Last election CCP made it pretty damn clear that CSM voting had begun. The result is the current CSM before you. The fact that NullSec pilots have more organization than HighSec pilots should not be an excuse to arbitrarily change the system. Find a candidate, get organized, and push for him/her to get elected.
These threads are like Occupy Wall Street. Your overall message is you want representation, but its covered in :tinfoil: and generally silly posts.
And no, I'm not a Goon, and I don't hate HighSec. I'm just looking at this from an objective viewpoint. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:17:00 -
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Quote:The result is the current CSM before you. The fact that NullSec pilots have more organization than HighSec pilots should not be an excuse to arbitrarily change the system. Find a candidate, get organized, and push for him/her to get elected.
You are thinking through game logic, you have to instead think in business logic. It does not matter what is fair, logical or what makes sense, from a money making standpoint all of the unorganized Carebears in Empire contribute GREATLY to keeping tranquility plugged in.
If empire dwellers never vote, even though they were given every chance to...
& they get frustrated and stop playing... all of EVE suffers and dies.
This is a business not a "game" about spaceship.
Read my sig, it makes far more sense then a voting process that can be so easily manipulated.
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Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:23:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:If empire dwellers never vote, even though they were given every chance to...
& they get frustrated and stop playing... all of EVE suffers and dies.
See, the rest of your post is fine, but this is what I take issue with. If you don't vote, why do you get to point the finger saying you aren't represented.
As an aside, who is "getting frustrated and quitting" because of the CSM right now?
Seriously, I want to know. If you say people are getting frustrated because of the Interdiction, that's logical, but not because of this current CSM.
There's a disconnect here and I'm trying to address it. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:30:00 -
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High sec is made up of many small groups that don't all know or like each other.
If you had candidates standing for each region then it would be those with the most votes who would get in and then have equal representation. As it is, null sec just commands voting chunks that are far disproportional to anything any of the other space regions can produce.
CSM do you think?
No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:33:00 -
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You don't...
But what you see as disconnect, is actually me looking at it from a purely business perspective. I have been leading corporations and alliances in eve for almost 4 years now. One thing that I noticed a long time ago was it is VERY DIFFICULT to get people to log onto our corporate forums.
They just don't like doing it and damned if I know why...
Also:
1. Only a certain % read the Alliance mails on a regular basis.
2. There are always people who missed that "Wardec Mail" and need to be reminded
3. There are always people asking "what ship should I bring/fit" even though they have been told 50 times.
So you see... EVE is filled with these people. It does not matter what you or anyone else thinks about said individuals, because they are the ones who pay a vast portion of CCP's subscriptions. If you have a large and organized alliance manipulating votes YOU WILL HAVE BIAS towards certain aspects of the game play.
People will notice.
They have noticed.
They will/have gotten pissed...
Then they leave.
CCP will never ever EVER get Empire dwellers into null sec for any reason EVER. If they want their buisness to remain successful they must cater to the casual, non-voting and too complacent to read their EVE Mails (or vote for CSM masses) period and end of discussion.
So how do you collect data from them? well, it it sure as hell is not the CSM.
So again, read my sig.
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Skunk Gracklaw
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
439
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:36:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:High sec is made up of many small groups that don't all know or like each other.
If you had candidates standing for each region then it would be those with the most votes who would get in and then have equal representation. As it is, null sec just commands voting chunks that are far disproportional to anything any of the other space regions can produce.
So we'll get one of our highsec alts to run as the highsec rep. Will that solve everything you're crying about?
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Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:42:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Then they leave. CCP will never ever EVER get Empire dwellers into null sec for any reason EVER. If they want their buisness to remain successful they must cater to the casual, non-voting and to complacent to read their EVE Mails (or vote for CSM masses) period and end of discussion.
I'm just quoting this for ******* posterity because now we've jumped the shark entirely. CCP must do what the lazy, non-hardcore masses want because they pay CCP's bills. The game should be designed around a group of people too lazy to vote for the very people representing them.
I seriously don't get it. I'm literally lost now, typing out a response as I come up with it. By that argument how does having a direct link between CCP and these 'people too lazy to even read mails' make sense?
Like... what? You're basically saying that because certain people in HighSec don't want to come out to Low/Null, Low/Null should therefore take a back seat when it comes to how this game is designed.
Are you serious? When was the last time you saw an advertisement for EVE about HighSec, mining, or running missions?
Answer: NEVER. They have almost all been about political intrigue, spying/scams, huge wars, and space pew pew.
There might be more people in HighSec, and I'm not saying you don't deserve representation, but HighSec does not inherently drive this game forward anymore than Null. You might have a larger percent of the playerbase there, but very few people joined up in EVE with stories of Mining Ops. They joined up with EVE because of the big, exciting stories, most of which occur in the dangerous parts of EVE.
This entire war between Null and Highsec is ludicrous. Both aspects of the game are important, but I disagree in thinking one is more important than the other. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:44:00 -
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Skunk Gracklaw wrote:
So we'll get one of our highsec alts to run as the highsec rep. Will that solve everything you're crying about?
... and no one, especially CCP would ever work that out. 
Seems I did get a neck beard for a groupie.
CSM do you think?
No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:45:00 -
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Simple answer, yes.
CCP wants real life ISK and lots of it... then yes.
EVE must cater to lazy carebears who just want to log on for an hour, make isk and buy toys... and do nothing else. Yes. YES. And what you think does not matter, because this is a business. BUSINESS. Not a real world.
You don't matter and neither do I, only money matters.
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Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
19
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:46:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Simple answer, yes.
CCP wants real life ISK and lots of it... then yes.
EVE must cater to lazy carebears who just want to log on for an hour, make isk and buy toys... and do nothing else. Yes. YES. And what you think does not matter, because this is a business. BUSINESS. Not a real world.
EVE makes money, therefore all aspects of it should be bent on making CCP make more money.
**** making the game fun, right?
I'm done. I tried folks. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:48:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Simple answer, yes.
CCP wants real life ISK and lots of it... then yes.
EVE must cater to lazy carebears who just want to log on for an hour, make isk and buy toys... and do nothing else. Yes. YES. And what you think does not matter, because this is a business. BUSINESS. Not a real world. EVE makes money, therefore all aspects of it should be bent on making CCP make more money. **** making the game fun, right? I'm done. I tried folks.
Here is where you fail.... their game play is fun for them.
Not you, them.
People like you cannot understand that and that is one of the fundamental flaws of the CSM. Some people like to just run their damn missions, you don't and so you cannot understand that.
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Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
20
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:53:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:People like you cannot understand that and that is one of the fundamental flaws of the CSM. Some people like to just run their damn missions, you don't and so you cannot understand that. I hate running missions, but i do understand that other people do not hate them. So although you may think yourself to be open minded... your not actually as open and aware as you think yourself to be.
Where in this entire debate did I claim we should in anyway shape or form deter people from having fun in HighSec. Where did I call for missions to be nerfed.
That's my point. People like you fail to understand that if HighSec players are happy, and enjoying the game, then why are you here? Why are you lobbying for a CSM change? If you're so happy doing what you do, great, go enjoy it!
But stop coming here asking for the CSM to step down because they're getting stuff done for once and you "don't feel represented".
This argument is going in circles, with no clear foundations being presented as to why it should continue. I fail to see, in a nutshell, what your point is other than "CCP should do what makes them more money, screw the fact that this is a game".
Which by the way, would probably mean we wouldn't have any of the "Winter is Coming" changes, and instead would all have burnt out video cards from Incarna Establishments (assuming they'd even be done by then). |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:56:00 -
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My point is in my sig and you can't read.
Wouldn't it be funny if a closed minded fool looked just like you, and not the person you were pointing your finger at?
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Rer Eirikr
Clearly Compensating
The Dark Triad
20
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Posted - 2011.10.25 17:58:00 -
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"Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI.
Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences"
By your own past argument that people are too stupid and lazy to vote or read mails, I must point out that this wouldn't work any better. By your own logic, this wouldn't work on the basis that people couldn't be bothered to take the time to effectively communicate to CCP their issues.
As an aside this whole "you're close minded" "no you are" is dumb, and it reminds me all the more why EVE-O is annoying as hell. |
Eternum Praetorian
PWNED Factor
The Seventh Day
103
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:04:00 -
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No again, and here is why.
Demographics are gathered everywhere and they work. Scientific methods, employed in a way that is intelligent and comprehensive always yield better results then the flawed Human element. CCP needs to take the bull by the horns and gather real game data and real player opinions and then act upon them, all on their own. A CSM is a shortcut to this goal, and it has not been working since it's inception. Even if the CSM says "CCP ignores us" which they do often enough... it is still not working.
You are also forgetting that Himlar himself complained about the CSM's null sec bias. You are acting like it is coming from me and me alone.
& finally, If CCP felt like they were not getting enough info then they could throw a dog a bone.
I bet even a lazy tool will fill out a form for 10M isk
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Elise DarkStar
DarkCorp Capital Group
DarkCorp Imperium
98
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Posted - 2011.10.25 18:11:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Scientific methods, employed in a way that is intelligent and comprehensive always yield better results then the flawed Human element. CCP needs to take the bull by the horns and gather real game data and real player opinions
ROFL
I guess I missed that world-changing revolution, though I haven't read the news since Sunday... |
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