Haters, Can we get some luv in lowsec..

3. They do not challenge the corporate structure of CCP or make large accusations against CCP without large amounts of prior investigation.

In regards to your accusations of Goons attempting to rule the CSM for their own purposes: CSM 4 and CSM 5 largely ignored the development of 0.0 space.

Regarding your wormhole whine:

Wow, this thread is still going? Come on, you are apparently freaking out over one tiny change to game mechanics. There are plenty of good things coming as well, you need to calm down.

I have done no such thing.

Then you should understand where I am coming from in lack of representation. I am pointing out not only the conflict of interest but the null sec majority.

Mining already sucks. Higher classes get more ore and can sustain larger corps.

I looked at your assumption. Gave a deep sigh and have gone to bed.

(We have statics to C3 and C4, so we won't be affected by this change but I can totally understand how it will royally mess with other miners)

3. Lower quality space lower resources. Higher quality space higher resources. What does this have to do with how boring mining is? We all know mining is terribly boring.

Checked the values of ores which have Zydrine in them? Good luck getting that without Crokite mining

I also think that the CSM needs representation of other aspects of the game to prevent it being blinkered down as single alley, once you turn the behemoth that is CCP.

Any word on the "BIG" Devblog

The current CSM is pretty 0.0 heavy but some of us are pretty knowledgeable about all aspects of EVE. For one thing, myself and Greyscale pretty much invented WH space.

Also, go read this if you want to get a feel for my thoughts on current events.

Anyway, I just spotted this thread. Hi, how can I help?

At least at the moment they have an ISK incentive.

If ABC ores are dropped entirely from worm holes, I would just stop mining. Make more off sleepers anyway.
I doubt I am the only one that would stop.
Basically, Hulks are used much less and probably would stop entirely. The risk vs gain of mining other ores in WHs just isn't there without ABC ores.

Checked the values of ores which have Zydrine in them? Good luck getting that without Crokite mining

2. Minerals come from drone space. Seriously who mines anymore. Just compress in Jita and export.

I have to say, my opinion on Goons has changed dramatically.

I have fought on both sides of many of the wars in Eve and have found one HUGE truth: 99% of Eve players are the same, 99% of propoganda about how the enemy are bad, idiots, terrible people or nerds is rubbish. If anything the most annoying and elitist people in game are the 'Elite pvp' guys who treat Eve as a job.

I used to believe Goons were out to wreck the game for everybody because this is the propoganda spread by alot of people. Yes they scam, lie, cheat and steal, but that is Eve. Only this year have I found myself allied to Goons and Test and the CF and I have to say I have never had so much fun in Eve, they play the game to have fun, to enjoy it and it turns out all my preconceptions were wrong. This coalition is not only the strongest I have been in but the most enjoyable.

I also think that as a general rule what the current CSM and Mittani want is actually a BETTER game, not one that favours any particular faction.

LIke I said, this view is from someone who has been on most sides at one time or another in Hisec, Lowsec and Null life.

I see absolutely NO conflict of interest that wouldnt come from any other CSM member or CCP staff that also play the game, no matter what faction they come from.

1. No one any where has said that ABCs are being dropped entirely from worm holes.
2. Minerals come from drone space. Seriously who mines anymore. Just compress in Jita and export.

(Have been working in RL a lot lately, so I will go back and read the latest posts, then reply to them at a later stage.)

Jenshae Chiroptera > Ice is going to be null sec only soon
Friend > nah they cant do that too many people with hi sec pos's will complain
Jenshae Chiroptera > They also want to remove ABC ore from POS from C1 and C2
Friend > the thing is that would effectivaly kill off half of the playerbase becuase most corps have hi sec and low sec pos's and people wont move to 0.0
Friend > ok, so oif they do that, they should effectivly put ice in wh's
Jenshae Chiroptera > Nope. They are trying to push more people out to null sec
Friend > wont work. people will just quit. they tried that one a few years ago, it failed
Friend > they changed the whole sov mechanic hoping it would encourage smaller alliances to settle in 0.0
Friend > problem was it basically bankrupted the smaller ones becuase the cost is astronomical
Jenshae Chiroptera > Null sec is too small
Friend > null sec is boring same old crap every day
Jenshae Chiroptera > If it was huge, people could covert a cyno ship in, then build a base quietly in someone's back yard. Especially if it worked like WH space
Friend > why you think smaller alliances rent space from the big one?
Jenshae Chiroptera > They rent space because they can't defend themselves?
Friend > they rent it so the big alliance can pay their bill thats how it really works, the big alliance depends on the renters to cover the cost
Jenshae Chiroptera > Interesting. I thought they wouldn't want an alliance growing in their territory
Friend > theres more to this wormhole ore business than meets the eye. the reason goons dont want people in wh's is becuase theres no sov. wormholes are cheap 0.0 basically
Friend > i reckon more people are considering wormholes and the alarm bells are ringing becuase theres less people to defend their space, thats my impression
Friend > the amount of ore in a wh wont affect the amount in 0.0
Friend > so ccp is trying to force people into something that will effectively kill the game

Why link a random log of you and a random person talking about things that no one has said apart from yourself?

The bottom line is that the more information the CSM has, the better advices it can give to CCP.

Zulu said CSM could have a selection of the Little Things backlog, and Soundwave wants the CSM to give him a GÇÿtop 10GÇÖ list drawn from it GÇô i.e. to have the CSM prioritize the items so BFF can get a better feel for what is important to players.

In fact no one has said anywhere that they're being dropped from any Wormholes.. Of course facts don't matter to people who just want to sieze on something - anything - to yell at the CSM about.

And yet it is on the table and being discussed...
Ya know, instead of important things.


No one can tell me, you or anyone else how a WH mineral nerf will (noticeably) better industry in Empire or null sec.
Go ahead CSM, I dare you to explain it in this thread.

CSM - Do you think? (... continued)