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Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day 46	Posted - 2011.09.27 21:27:00 - [241] - Quote Making a generalization of the "largest state" in terms of size, in order to make an metaphorical argument is usually acceptable to people not as anal retentive as you. It's the size of Texas Mr President! But wait its Spherical! Thus it has far more mass then a "flat" object would and your representation of it's size is epic fail Billy Bob thornton!
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day 46	Posted - 2011.09.27 21:30:00 - [242] - Quote Seleene... my question is what made it come up?
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 78	Posted - 2011.09.27 23:25:00 - [243] - Quote I don't have a problem with high-end ores in wormholes at all - surely there's just enough ore being mined out of there that we can shoot other dudes instead of having to grind up industrial indexes and mine it ourselves (not really, most high-ends come from compound drops in the drone regions AFAIK) I could see why some would have a problem with them being in low-class wormholes, though, being much too accessible from highsec without the :effort: of arranging cynos and whatnot.
Jenshae Chiroptera 30	Posted - 2011.09.28 12:51:00 - [244] - Quote Trebor Daehdoow wrote: Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: As it stands, how can people not view the CSM with scepticism? You should always view your elected representatives with scepticism. Fortunately, Mittens makes this easy! Heeehheeeeheee! Thanks for the laugh. Seleene wrote: .... and is welcome to read back on my blog to when I was running to find out more. ... I have been reading your blog. I like it but it makes me a little despondent. What can the players or CSM do if you couldn't pull it off working from the inside? CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die.
Jenshae Chiroptera 30	Posted - 2011.09.28 13:05:00 - [245] - Quote Steph Wing wrote: That doesn't answer my question. I'll repeat it again so you can take another stab at it: Split the vote by region? Have CSM positions that reflect the regions of space to try prevent it getting imbalanced in any one direction. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day 47	Posted - 2011.09.28 14:09:00 - [246] - Quote Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: Steph Wing wrote: That doesn't answer my question. I'll repeat it again so you can take another stab at it: Split the vote by region? Have CSM positions that reflect the regions of space to try prevent it getting imbalanced in any one direction. And Then... Quote: I have 3 accounts, I should be allowed 1 vote. I should not be allowed to inflate a vote 3 fold over people who only have 1 account (the obviousness is obvious) to do so greatly increases the likelihood of manipulation and thus, conflicts of interest. 1 ISP = 1 vote 1 credit card account = 1 vote Hey look we fixed it! But let me guess... it will "take too much allocation of resources to do and it cannot be a priority?" Well then, why ******* bother having a vote in the first place then? Is it just for show?
Jenshae Chiroptera 30	Posted - 2011.09.28 23:28:00 - [247] - Quote It wouldn't matter if there was two representatives of every type of space. People just vote as much as they like for the different candidates, those standing for high sec, low, etc. CSM - Do you think? You see if they ruin high sec and WHs, you are ripping the newbie uterus out of EVE and feeding it to the big alliances. When it is gone, they will starve and die.
pussnheels Vintage heavy industries 71	Posted - 2011.09.29 04:38:00 - [248] - Quote After reading this thread and previous threads about the CSM and the goons i come to believe that the current CSM chairman is a absolute jerk and attentionwhore and to be honest with all these allegations about RMT , botting and general bad behaviour should be banned as several others Alliance leaders for allowing and even encouraging such behaviour About the CSM my opinion aslong the CSM represent less than 20% of the players base ( people who actually voted) CSM will only be a publicity tool with very limited influence on how and what direction EVE will evolve , ( and also so easily rigged in favor of a certain group of players There some good members in there who really are trying their best but then again if you got a jerk as a chairman who s alliance only goal is to ruin the game for everyone else , what can you expect lots of empty words I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Jenshae Chiroptera 40	Posted - 2011.10.22 14:45:00 - [249] - Quote So ... in light of the recent article ... was this thread the cause of it or did I just see it coming? What are your views on the CSM? CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
David Grogan The Motley Crew Reborn 98	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:10:00 - [250] - Quote El'Niaga wrote: A single 0.0 system can support a dozen players at a time, and that's the real problem. Until a system can support hundreds of players at one time you'll never see a significant immigration to 0.0. 0.0 today cannot support a fifth of the population that hi sec can. since ccp nerfed 0.0 most systems can barely support half a dozen players. there is only a limited number of dead end systems..... and its very hard make a decent income in pipe systems due to alot of nuet/red traffic. anoms are a joke in most systems that payout bounties that are less than level 3 missions do in high sec. alot of systems have roids that are no better than high sec. cyno jammers sov fees cost too much. and soon pos fuels will become alot more expensive to produce. also CCP need to introduce hidden depletable ice belts in 0.0 that have other types of isotopes than the regional type. change high sec ice belts so the roids deplete double the yield of isotopes that only low sec/null sec ice cubes give, but make the belts hidden belts. Everytime you buy something that says "made in china" you are helping the rising unemployment in your own country unless your from china, Buy locally produced goods and help create more jobs.
Kengutsi Akira 78	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:34:00 - [251] - Quote David Grogan wrote: anoms are a joke in most systems that payout bounties that are less than level 3 missions do in high sec. wonderful web team, love that ganked message given that sanctums etc were nerfed because as I see on the forums all the time "they were making more money than lvl 4s in high sec qqqqqq" That oughta tell you something Id think What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
Elson Tamar Lion Investments 0	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:40:00 - [252] - Quote Hi I'm a new player so i thought i'd put my 2isk in. I'm not a carebear by the discription (although my PVP record is upsetting to say the least, please mail me if you want to take me under your wing and show me the ropes), however i enjoy hi sec at the moment. I've work my butt off and invested a lot of time in EVE and pay the same amount of money to CCP every month. I have a corp that is almost breaking even and a bunch of people i like flying with, some own snowball launchers, some just got their first frigate. I want to go to low and null one day, just not yet, thats my choice. However there are a couple of things that do stand out. One, is that i dont want to be forced into low and null yet by game mechanics, that make me play the game i pay for in a different way to how it was when i bought it. Also i want as much love as low and null, as long as i get it i'll be happy. Just make sure it's love for everyone. Two, bitter veterens, my god can i play the game my way! This isn't aimed at everyone, but do i get sick of being told thatif if im not out murdering someone and then violating the corpse im not playing the game properly! I thought the point of this game was a sandbox, not doing what your told by elitests you seem to get off on being rude to CCP's NEW CUSTOMERS. Rant over, on a serious note however i'm a LARPer, roleplayer martial artist and many other things, and in all of those social groups there is always the idoit who knows best and belittles others for not knowing/agreeing. EVE apparently attracts them. Im not talking about pirates, in fact every pirate that has Ganked me has been polite and very cool. You know the people i'm talking about. Three, If what the origonal poster has said is true that the largest faction in EVE has staff in it, i might suggest that at the very least they themselves may want to look at what others on the outside may think of this. At the very least. Anyway i'm sure that my coments are missinformed and wrong, or at least i may be told that they are, but i am only saying what i have seen so far. Fly Safe
Kengutsi Akira 78	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:47:00 - [253] - Quote Elson Tamar wrote: Three, If what the origonal poster has said is true that the largest faction in EVE has staff in it, i might suggest that at the very least they themselves may want to look at what others on the outside may think of this. At the very least. Being that youre new Id say google T20 and Devs and the friends they keep for a record as to why its bad for CCP employees to be in the biggest alliances in EVE What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
Mallak Azaria Hole Plunderer's 26	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:56:00 - [254] - Quote Kengutsi Akira wrote: Elson Tamar wrote: Three, If what the origonal poster has said is true that the largest faction in EVE has staff in it, i might suggest that at the very least they themselves may want to look at what others on the outside may think of this. At the very least. Being that youre new Id say google "T20 EVE"and "Devs and the friends they keep" (see below) for a record as to why its bad for CCP employees to be in the biggest alliances in EVE http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/847-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep That was a terrible alliance though.
Rocky Deadshot In The Goo EVE Trade Alliance 19	Posted - 2011.10.22 15:59:00 - [255] - Quote Look this whole war between null and the rest is starting to get really annoying. I enjoy high sec cause I came to this game with 0 friends and made friends that are in high sec... and frankly I haven't met but a few pilots that have a maturity level high enough that I would follow them out on low/null runs. Both sides need to admit the other exists for a reason. There will never be a point in which null sec wont exist or high sec wont exist... so everyone just needs to get over themselves. The reason Null sec rules the CSM is cause high sec has no mechanic that helps unite it. Up until incursions, high sec was pretty much all solo work. So high sec players need to realize that it is unlikely that they will be able to get anyone on CSM since their voting isnt united. Null sec players need to realize that alot of the issues with why "null sec is dieing" has more to do with problems within null sec itself. The CSM has done a pretty good job at pushing CCP to address these. But they also need to recognize that "bitter high sec vets" arent just gonna up and leave their homes to come out to null... neither are the newer players (at least not a massive amount of them). The reason for this has many factors... from maturity, to sentimental attachment to their ships, to some misguided idea that you need good skills to fly pvp. One thing null sec players can do to encourage players to come to null sec is by being helpful and nice on the forums... by answering questions in game... and by being a good representative of their corps (ya i've actually met people like this). If CCP continues to have reasons like incursions in high sec for players to forum fleets... this will provide opportunities for players interact with individuals from all across eve and to encourage dialog and comfort with the idea of trusting the people you fly with. Thanks to incursion fleets, I'm considering taking my logistics pilot and possibly some corp mates out to low/null sometime... And I feel like my case isn't solitary... that many newer pilots get into incursions... and just love the fleet format (especially logistic runners), so they find a way out where the real action is. anyways, Fly Safe guys/gals
Kengutsi Akira 78	Posted - 2011.10.22 16:00:00 - [256] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Kengutsi Akira wrote: Elson Tamar wrote: Three, If what the origonal poster has said is true that the largest faction in EVE has staff in it, i might suggest that at the very least they themselves may want to look at what others on the outside may think of this. At the very least. Being that youre new Id say google "T20 EVE"and "Devs and the friends they keep" (see below) for a record as to why its bad for CCP employees to be in the biggest alliances in EVE http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/editorials/op-ed/847-Jumpgate-EVEs-Devs-and-the-Friends-They-Keep That was a terrible alliance though. doesnt change the fact that CCP has a bad history of this.... What Mittani wants, Mittani gets, Mittani help us all
Reislier 13	Posted - 2011.10.22 17:00:00 - [257] - Quote From the business perspective. When Hilmar said something to the effect of " pay attention to what people do, not what they say" He was quite right, though that opinion might have been best kept to himself. I'm sure he thought many times since.. "now why did I write that down?" But we all say the right things at the wrong time now and then.. Like when my first wife asked me if I thought she should join a gym. Follow the money. Where are the majority of CCP customers playing? Where are the minority of customers playing? Who are the highest number of Eve customers? Is the ratio of various playstyles evenly distributed and does it have to be? Does the interaction, both in game play and game economy, require playstyle parity? I think no. In online games in general, what is the ratio of pvp / pve players? Dose the ratio of pvp / pve players require parity for a game to succeed? What is the success rate of converting a player from pvp to pve playstyle or vise versa? That is the.. 20 million dollar question.. which I think it actually was. The ratio of pvp and pve players in Eve conforms to the typical ratio that I have seen in online games over the last 15 years that I have played online games. I suggest that: Eve is not broken. It is typical of pvp/pve game subscription rates. The game will grow with the same ratio of playstyles. Nerfs and incentives do not alter playstyles, but do alter subscription numbers. A change from left to right is like altering idealogies.. good luck with that. Bob yesterday, goons today, the flaming dust bunnies tomorrow.. life goes on. Enhance both playstyles, nerf neither. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences. Add something new and different (a new kind of wormhole with pie?) to experiement and see what happens.. Don't break what is.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day 91	Posted - 2011.10.22 18:19:00 - [258] - Quote Quote: Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences. Add something new and different (a new kind of wormhole with pie?) to experiement and see what happens.. Don't break what is. Jesus... best post ever... I am putting that in my signature until EVE right's itself Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
Jenshae Chiroptera 42	Posted - 2011.10.22 23:38:00 - [259] - Quote OP updated with links and quote. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
Elson Tamar Lion Investments 1	Posted - 2011.10.23 00:06:00 - [260] - Quote before i ignite somthing, i had a sudden thought about this. I am not saying CCP employees are up to no good, but people could and will assume, especially if they are part of a large disliked alliance. That was my only point on that. Addressing the point above, yep your right there is alot of hate directed at high sec, now im new and dont now the histroy, but when i read that i am a '******* carebear noob, waste of space' or that empire players are basicly cowards or ISK horders, it really dosnt make me want to join an alliance. Im all for how hard core this game is, its why i play eve and not world or warcrack. What the Goons are doing with the Ice is a stroke of genius and for once is acts of violence for a REASON, not just for the sake of it (although my insurer wouldn't pay out if i crashed my car, always though in eve you always had to pay at some level, and lets face it sec loss for a throw away alt or lowsec character isn't a loss.) My problem is with players who tell me my way of playing is wrong or are just obnoxious to new customers becasue of an inferiority/superiority complex. Now CSM want o look at that? How do you retain custommers and bring low, null and high sec together so they are ALL dependent on each other? Now that would actually be useful. At the moment i am assuming that the origonal poster is wrong and the CSM is not just pushing the alliance/null sec agenda and rather like our real life poloticians need to do put the needs of this game ahead of their own needs/popularity with the electorate.
Jenshae Chiroptera 43	Posted - 2011.10.23 00:21:00 - [261] - Quote Ice ganking is pointless. It makes a big fuss but changes nothing. Soon as they stop, then people will just go back to it. It is like tossing stones into a pond, makes a splash but changes nothing. If they continue long enough people will ice mine in battleships that can't be ganked fast enough before Concord gets them, they will have sentries or they will have protective fleets. Anything stopping them using logistics on a fleet of Mackraws? They only have to live long enough for Concord to arrive. Anything stopping them putting warp bubbles up at mining sites in null to catch the griefers? No? Then Goons aren't making a big enough impact for people to be finding solutions. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
Elson Tamar Lion Investments 1	Posted - 2011.10.23 21:03:00 - [262] - Quote I disagree Ice ganking is making a difference. It will change the economy, what people think of the goons (polarising opinion i think) how people feel ccp handle things, it has affected how people view the CSM, and i think (although they will never admit it) the goons are using it for a long term goal. It has high sec players annoyed with null sec players and null sec player snearing at high sec players. However it si still a game, so in that sense no ones life was saved, no one found enlightenment or helped the world towards a profound change. We did however find that eve is a reflection of life in micro and with all that brings.
Jenshae Chiroptera 43	Posted - 2011.10.24 00:39:00 - [263] - Quote Hulkaggedon has had little to no long lasting impact. It was a fuss and a mass action, so a bit of a thrill, some drama for people to natter about but it hasn't stopped people mining. Anyway, no point in arguing a difference of opinion. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
Elson Tamar Lion Investments 2	Posted - 2011.10.24 16:03:00 - [264] - Quote Tis true.
Jita Alt666 387	Posted - 2011.10.24 19:49:00 - [265] - Quote This thread should have died a long time ago. The recent dev blogs coming out have shown that CCP are heading in a direction that I for one like: - implants in pod kill-mails - backending bug reports - focusing on Eve Online over other games Why you feel the need to bump your terrible thread and sight recent developments as evidence is beyond me.
Skunk Gracklaw GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 363	Posted - 2011.10.24 20:01:00 - [266] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: This thread should have died a long time ago. Why you feel the need to bump your terrible thread and sight recent developments as evidence is beyond me. Some people can't see beyond their hatred of Goons.
Eternum Praetorian PWNED Factor The Seventh Day 102	Posted - 2011.10.24 20:13:00 - [267] - Quote Jita Alt666 wrote: This thread should have died a long time ago. The recent dev blogs coming out have shown that CCP are heading in a direction that I for one like: - implants in pod kill-mails - backending bug reports - focusing on Eve Online over other games Why you feel the need to bump your terrible thread and sight recent developments as evidence is beyond me. Maybe he does not have as short of a memory as you choose to have? We have been asking for Implants on KM's for ages, and now suddenly "Poof" instantly there. Sounds like they could have done this a long long time ago, but were just ignoring the **** out of their player base. Reallocate funds for Icelandic air fare to developing an integrated player input function in the UI. Then talk directly to the customers with polls to collect demographics and game preferences
Jenshae Chiroptera 47	Posted - 2011.10.25 00:18:00 - [268] - Quote Quote: Eurogamer: The Council of Stellar Management [CSM] has been increasingly vocal and rebellious in recent months. What's your relationship with them like at the moment - your personal feelings and those of the company as a whole? Hilmar P+¬tursson: The CSM has been under constant evolution based on what's going on in the current environment, what's going on with CCP and Eve, who's on the Council and all that. The CSM has helped greatly through the years in getting feedback for aspects of the game. But some of my concerns right now relate to whether the CSM is maybe focused on a particular aspect of the game and I'm starting to get feedback from players that they worry the CSM is too pre-occupied by a certain playstyle. That might mean we may need to change the structure, but definitely the CSM has worked as a feedback tool greatly throughout the years. We will have them over at the end of the year, after everything that's gone on, and we will have a chance to talk about that. We'll just see where we are and take it from there. You were saying? Link CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.
Jita Alt666 401	Posted - 2011.10.25 00:21:00 - [269] - Quote Eternum Praetorian wrote: Jita Alt666 wrote: This thread should have died a long time ago. The recent dev blogs coming out have shown that CCP are heading in a direction that I for one like: - implants in pod kill-mails - backending bug reports - focusing on Eve Online over other games Why you feel the need to bump your terrible thread and sight recent developments as evidence is beyond me. Maybe he does not have as short of a memory as you choose to have? We have been asking for Implants on KM's for ages, and now suddenly "Poof" instantly there. Sounds like they could have done this a long long time ago, but were just ignoring the **** out of their player base. Let me sort this out step by step: 1. Random WH/High Sec guy starts thread claiming that goons are in control of too much. 2. Thread grinds on with Op looking sillier and sillier. 3. CCP change direction to do things lots of players want. 4. Op bumps thread saying: see I told you so! I told you so! 5. I pass comment that thread should have died ages ago and that the changes in CCP have nothing to do with this terrible excuse for a thread. 6. You claim my memory is short cause "we have been asking for implants on KM's for ages'... Way to take something out of context then jump to a stupid conclusion.
Jenshae Chiroptera 47	Posted - 2011.10.25 00:22:00 - [270] - Quote High sec / WH doesn't preclude logical thinking. CSM do you think? No matter the changes, high sec people chose the safests. Lots of stick and they will leave. Half the problem is the players in null sec; we do not want to be there with you.

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