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Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:56:00 - [31] Originally by: Corwain Arbitrator 2x HPL II, 1x HAM II, Small Dim Nos MWD II, J5 disruptor, web, balmer TD 3x HS II, 1x BCU II 5x Hammerhead II OMG 419 DPS GUYS, GALLENTE NEED A NERF, THEY GET EWAR, AND CAPWAR AND MOAR DPS THAN THE OMEN, AMARR SUCK...Oh wait, my bad Arby is an Amarr ship...as you were! Wait, that Arbitrator has more CAP, more CAP recharge, MORE ARMOUR, More RESISTS, More Effective Hitpoints, More Everything than a Laser THorax? Oh wait, Laser Thorax has more everthing than Laser Omen. Also, Vexor > Arbitrator so you even fail at droneships. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:59:00 - [32] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: William Hartas There's a video kicking around (can't remember who by) of a guy doing lots of solo PvP in a laser fitted Thorax. It's pretty damn awesome so this suggestion isn't as dumb as some people are saying. It still isn't as smart as a conventional throax fit. So what you are saying is that fitting lasers on a thorax is as silly as fitting them on Amarr ships. I agree with this which is why Amarr players use projectiles or even blasters since lasers are a joke. No. Fitting them on the Maller is generally inferior to a fitting that uses another race's weapons primarily for DPS though. The omen would be even worse if you didn't fit it with lasers. It's more of a ship issue than a weapon system issue if you ask me.
Gladiator Jonny Omniscient Order Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Corwain Arbitrator 2x HPL II, 1x HAM II, Small Dim Nos MWD II, J5 disruptor, web, balmer TD 3x HS II, 1x BCU II 5x Hammerhead II OMG 419 DPS GUYS, GALLENTE NEED A NERF, THEY GET EWAR, AND CAPWAR AND MOAR DPS THAN THE OMEN, AMARR SUCK...Oh wait, my bad Arby is an Amarr ship...as you were! Wait, that Arbitrator has more CAP, more CAP recharge, MORE ARMOUR, More RESISTS, More Effective Hitpoints, More Everything than a Laser THorax? Oh wait, Laser Thorax has more everthing than Laser Omen. Also, Vexor > Arbitrator so you even fail at droneships. Arb > Vexor tbh. Yea it gets less drone bay, but it gets more armor and a more usefull bonus. (who uses medium guns on a vexor anyhow? As for the comment earlier about Brutix - Ferox - Prophecy Yea... brutix has a shed load more damage. If it wants to use that damage the tank is basically JoJo, man up. If you dont like a ship dont fly it. If you dont like a race, dont train it ffs.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:00:00 - [34] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Corwain Arbitrator 2x HPL II, 1x HAM II, Small Dim Nos MWD II, J5 disruptor, web, balmer TD 3x HS II, 1x BCU II 5x Hammerhead II OMG 419 DPS GUYS, GALLENTE NEED A NERF, THEY GET EWAR, AND CAPWAR AND MOAR DPS THAN THE OMEN, AMARR SUCK...Oh wait, my bad Arby is an Amarr ship...as you were! Wait, that Arbitrator has more CAP, more CAP recharge, MORE ARMOUR, More RESISTS, More Effective Hitpoints, More Everything than a Laser THorax? Oh wait, Laser Thorax has more everthing than Laser Omen. Also, Vexor > Arbitrator so you even fail at droneships. Vexor isn't an EW ship.
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:15:00 - [35] Edited by: Everyone Dies on 27/01/2008 11:15:51 Tell me the vexor isn't overpowered: 4x Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M Small Nosferatu II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Stasis Webifier II Faint Warp Prohibitor I 400mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 2xMagnetic Field Stabilizer II Damage Control II Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x1 Ogre II x2 654 DPS If anything Gallente dps needs to be looked at again.
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:15:00 - [36] Damn, looks like Jonny's ban was only temporary... --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:18:00 - [37] On a sidenote, please check the link in my bio because i think its really important! *Warning! Sig ahead!* Bounty: Jonny JoJo
Bazman Caldari Shinra Shinra Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:21:00 - [38] Your 624dps Vexor will die when sneezed at in that setup. Extreme firepower generally goes with an extreme lack of defense, at least until you approach BC/BS sized ships. What Amarr lack in frigates and cruisers, they more than make up for in HAC's/Recons and Battleships. Change the record and go whine about Minmatar battleships or something. -----
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:32:00 - [39] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: William Hartas There's a video kicking around (can't remember who by) of a guy doing lots of solo PvP in a laser fitted Thorax. It's pretty damn awesome so this suggestion isn't as dumb as some people are saying. It still isn't as smart as a conventional throax fit. Depends what situation you're in and what ship you're fighting... Please name a situation where a laser thorax is superior to a thorax fitting hybrid guns.
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:36:00 - [40] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: William Hartas There's a video kicking around (can't remember who by) of a guy doing lots of solo PvP in a laser fitted Thorax. It's pretty damn awesome so this suggestion isn't as dumb as some people are saying. It still isn't as smart as a conventional throax fit. Depends what situation you're in and what ship you're fighting... Please name a situation where a laser thorax is superior to a thorax fitting hybrid guns. Please name a situation where a laser omen is superior to a thorax fitting laser guns Sig locked, lack of Eve content
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: William Hartas There's a video kicking around (can't remember who by) of a guy doing lots of solo PvP in a laser fitted Thorax. It's pretty damn awesome so this suggestion isn't as dumb as some people are saying. It still isn't as smart as a conventional throax fit. Depends what situation you're in and what ship you're fighting... Please name a situation where a laser thorax is superior to a thorax fitting hybrid guns. Please name a situation where a laser omen is superior to a thorax fitting laser guns Please name a thread where you didnt trolled in the first place *Warning! Sig ahead!* Bounty: Jonny JoJo
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:39:00 - [42] Oh wow. You mean there's actually something to those Laseraxes I see about the place? EVE RELATED CONTENT
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Bazman Your 624dps Vexor will die when sneezed at in that setup. Extreme firepower generally goes with an extreme lack of defense, at least until you approach BC/BS sized ships. What Amarr lack in frigates and cruisers, they more than make up for in HAC's/Recons and Battleships. Change the record and go whine about Minmatar battleships or something. This is thread about how useless Amarr is. Minmatar got 100% cap reduction bonus to projectiles, and this should be fixed asap Sig locked, lack of Eve content
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:44:00 - [44] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Bazman Your 624dps Vexor will die when sneezed at in that setup. Extreme firepower generally goes with an extreme lack of defense, at least until you approach BC/BS sized ships. What Amarr lack in frigates and cruisers, they more than make up for in HAC's/Recons and Battleships. Change the record and go whine about Minmatar battleships or something. This is thread about how useless Amarr is. Minmatar got 100% cap reduction bonus to projectiles, and this should be fixed asap Why? Because you say so? Because you dont have a clue? Because you fail about backing up your words with numbers? Because eft says so? Because your buddy in his ubar farmer cnr said so? Because you dont know how to fly amarr? Because what jonny? Please mods, ban him for a year next time. *Warning! Sig ahead!* Bounty: Jonny JoJo
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:47:00 - [45] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: William Hartas There's a video kicking around (can't remember who by) of a guy doing lots of solo PvP in a laser fitted Thorax. It's pretty damn awesome so this suggestion isn't as dumb as some people are saying. It still isn't as smart as a conventional throax fit. Depends what situation you're in and what ship you're fighting... Please name a situation where a laser thorax is superior to a thorax fitting hybrid guns. Please name a situation where a laser omen is superior to a thorax fitting laser guns Please name a thread where you didnt trolled in the first place You didnt answer my question.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 11:49:00 - [46] Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/01/2008 11:51:09 Did i missed a question directed to me gamesguy? *Warning! Sig ahead!* Bounty: Jonny JoJo
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:12:00 - [47] Originally by: arbalesttom Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/01/2008 11:51:09 Did i missed a question directed to me gamesguy? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=691963&page=2#43
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:18:00 - [48] Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: arbalesttom Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/01/2008 11:51:09 Did i missed a question directed to me gamesguy? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=691963&page=2#43 That was a Jonny reply, read it plz Are you referring to: "Please name a situation where a laser thorax is superior to a thorax fitting hybrid guns. Please name a situation where a laser omen is superior to a thorax fitting laser guns" Those wherent my ones... *Warning! Sig ahead!* Bounty: Jonny JoJo
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:28:00 - [49] Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: arbalesttom Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/01/2008 11:51:09 Did i missed a question directed to me gamesguy? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=691963&page=2#43 That was a Jonny reply, read it plz Are you referring to: "Please name a situation where a laser thorax is superior to a thorax fitting hybrid guns. Please name a situation where a laser omen is superior to a thorax fitting laser guns" Those wherent my ones... funny you are complaining that jojo is trolling and here you are obviously stalking and trolling him in a thread where he actually got a point. just fricking stop posting soon or hopefully the mods will make you stop being able to post because you are trolling.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:34:00 - [50] Originally by: Malken Originally by: arbalesttom Originally by: Gamesguy Originally by: arbalesttom Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/01/2008 11:51:09 Did i missed a question directed to me gamesguy? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=691963&page=2#43 That was a Jonny reply, read it plz Are you referring to: "Please name a situation where a laser thorax is superior to a thorax fitting hybrid guns. Please name a situation where a laser omen is superior to a thorax fitting laser guns" Those wherent my ones... funny you are complaining that jojo is trolling and here you are obviously stalking and trolling him in a thread where he actually got a point. just fricking stop posting soon or hopefully the mods will make you stop being able to post because you are trolling. Yes, im trolling jonny's posts because he trolls the forum. If you start comparing tier2 to tier3 cruisers you fail. If you didnt noticed already, all we get from Jonny is 'amarr is crap this and that' posts wich are FAR FROM CONSTRUCTIVE/USEFULL. And what i wanted to ask gamesguy was, i dont know what 'question' he was referring to wich i should answer, so thats why i asked....................................... And please, stop derailing this thread yourself if you dont like what im doing eiter....your not the most constructive one in this thread as well. *Warning! Sig ahead!* Bounty: Jonny JoJo
Mik kyo D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:41:00 - [51] Originally by: Gamesguy Please name a situation where a laser thorax is superior to a thorax fitting hybrid guns. small neutron 1600mm plate thorax, medium blaster rax when out of web range.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.01.27 12:51:00 - [52] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/01/2008 12:55:11 Edited by: Cpt Branko on 27/01/2008 12:50:58 LOL! To add some proper trolling: RABBLE RABBLE! Also, why does the Autocannon Thorax do more DPS then the Autocannon Stabber?!? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:00:00 - [53] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 27/01/2008 13:02:49 I dont think some people are seeing the point Jonnys trying to make, A conventionally fit Thorax is obviously superior to the laser fit version posted here and that's the issue here, A Thorax fitted with unbonused weapons from another race not only out damages a ship intended to mount those weapons it does it by a significant degree and to add insult to injury it is more cap efficient than the ship with a cap reduction bonus. Also remember a "properly" fit Thorax is even more superior. Originally by: Cpt Branko Also, why does the Autocannon Thorax do more DPS then the Autocannon Stabber?!? Furthermore, a unarmed Thorax (just drones) does more DPS then a AML II Caracal (w/out damage mods)! Because the Thorax like many Gallente ships is busted.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:02:00 - [54] Originally by: Paulo Damarr I dont think some people are seeing the point Jonnys trying to make, A conventionally fit Thorax is obviously superior to the laser fit version posted here and that's the issue here, A Thorax fitted with unbonused weapons from another race not only out damages a ship intended to mount those weapons it does it by a significant degree and to add insult to injury it is more cap efficient than the ship with a cap reduction bonus. Also remember a "properly" fit Thorax is even more superior. But a autocannon thorax is so superior to the autocannon stabber Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
mama guru Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:13:00 - [55] DO NOT. NERF. GALLENTE. Boost Amarr, thats the way to go. If anything, gallente should be the role model for "balance" *signature removed - please email us to find out why (include a link) - Jacques([email protected]) EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:19:00 - [56] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Originally by: Cpt Branko Also, why does the Autocannon Thorax do more DPS then the Autocannon Stabber?!? Furthermore, a unarmed Thorax (just drones) does more DPS then a AML II Caracal (w/out damage mods)! Because the Thorax like many Gallente ships is busted. No, it's because you cannot balance Tier 2 cruisers and Tier 3 cruisers. Both the Stabber,the Omen and the Caracal are different animals then a Thorax and do not, in fact, have much of a chance in direct combat. The only Tier 2 cruiser which can stand up to its Tier 3 brother (partially) is the Vexor, anyway. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:30:00 - [57] Except for perhaps the Rupture the Thorax still outclasses the other T1 tier 3 cruisers, Seriously compare the Moa and the Thorax and tell me that whoever designed and balanced them carefully compared and thought it through. Even if the Rax had a stupid 10m3 drone bay it would still be much better but it doesn't it has 50m3 The Gallente ships are great ships which then have a powerful secondary system tacked on.
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:34:00 - [58] Originally by: Paulo Damarr Except for perhaps the Rupture the Thorax still outclasses the other T1 tier 3 cruisers, Seriously compare the Moa and the Thorax and tell me that whoever designed and balanced them carefully compared and thought it through. Even if the Rax had a stupid 10m3 drone bay it would still be much better but it doesn't it has 50m3 The Gallente ships are great ships which then have a powerful secondary system tacked on. Rupture and Thorax are very well balanced. Moa and Maller are a bit weaker in comparison. I don't have a clue what would I do with a Moa in particular. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.27 13:44:00 - [59] I'm not saying that Gallante needs to be nerfed I'm just pointing out some examples of where the game balance is way out of whack, as well as nerfing modules the balance team needs to take a serious look at every ship from the ground up and boost some ships instead of applying heavy handed nerfs. Plus the whole tier concept seems outdated, I'm sure it made sense in eves earlier days but now the price difference and the extra training times are almost irrelevant and a better system could be worked out instead of artificial tier limitations.
Meridius Dex Amarr Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.01.27 15:05:00 - [60] Johnny, are you stalking me? It's funny, but I posted this same fact about a week ago: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=685012&page=3#86 I originally cross-trained to Gallente to rat Guristas in zero sec in a (pre-nerf) Mrymidon. Not only did I realize it outclassed pretty much everything in the Amarr line (post-nerf, it has been balanced), but that it could both gank and dual-rep active tank with total cap stability. As an Amarrian, I can only imagine what actual cap stability must be like. Imagine flying a ship without requiring at least 2-3 slots for cap modules... it's like a wonderful dream... Imagine my even greater surprise to find that I could actually fit a Thorax WITH LASERS and get better DPS, better speed, better tank and - wait for it - better better cap stability than either an Omen or Maller. That's just.. sad. Yeah, Amarr have no issues. Right. -- Meridius Dex -- Amarr = EVE on Hard setting

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