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Cpt Branko The Bloody Red Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.01.27 20:33:00 - [91] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Isnt game balance relative? I really dont understand this logic. I mean if one race A does 200 dps and race B does 300 dps and race C does 100 dps. Does it matter if A and B get nerfed down to 100 or if race C and A get boosted up to 300? No it doesnt and obviously ccp has no clue about buffing because oomph hasnt been seen around for 2,5 years but we sure have seen the nerf bat smack gallente in the face twice recently. So yeah what can we do, if not to hope for a nerf atleast... Breaks balance between classes. Unless you nerf the entire bloody game. It's easier to buff a smaller number of sub-par ships. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.01.27 20:39:00 - [92] Originally by: Goumindong No it will not. The Blaster Moa will do more DPS than a Blaster Maller. A maller does 401 DPS with 5 Heavy Neutron Blasters and 3 MFS[it also runs out of CPU and powergrid and fits literally no tank]. A Moa does 412 dps with 5 heavy electron blasters, 2 Ham launchers, 3 Hobgoblins, and 3 MFS. ...more stuff about fitting... WTB Moa with 5 turret hardpoints. (Yes, I know it's a typo.) Of course I was comparing apples and oranges (just like the OP), that was the whole point of it. Obviously it's easy to prove me wrong by using completely different fittings... --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.01.27 20:39:00 - [93] Edited by: Everyone Dies on 27/01/2008 20:39:49 Another problem Laser Deimos vs Zealot [Deimos] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] Hammerhead II x5 DPS: 468 ----------------------------------------- [Zealot] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II Internal Force Field Array I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Faint Warp Prohibitor I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] DPS 413 I agree with JoJo, Amarr is screwed don't bother training for them. Gallente FOTM ftl.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 20:44:00 - [94] Edited by: Goumindong on 27/01/2008 20:45:18 Originally by: Ogul Originally by: Goumindong No it will not. The Blaster Moa will do more DPS than a Blaster Maller. A maller does 401 DPS with 5 Heavy Neutron Blasters and 3 MFS[it also runs out of CPU and powergrid and fits literally no tank]. A Moa does 412 dps with 5 heavy electron blasters, 2 Ham launchers, 3 Hobgoblins, and 3 MFS. ...more stuff about fitting... WTB Moa with 5 turret hardpoints. (Yes, I know it's a typo.) Of course I was comparing apples and oranges (just like the OP), that was the whole point of it. Obviously it's easy to prove me wrong by using completely different fittings... Actually it was a typo, the numbers are for a 4 turret Moa. edit: The fittings i used are the closest you can get to equivelent between the two. If you use neutrons the maller is just plain worse.
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.27 20:49:00 - [95] Originally by: Cpt Branko Breaks balance between classes. Unless you nerf the entire bloody game. It's easier to buff a smaller number of sub-par ships. This is 100% true. First in implementation and later in rebalance. Omen and Maller need some love. Besides this Thread is preaty mutch wast of Time I could say the Prophecy do more damage with Aks than the Brutix because of the extra Low Slot. Would this be any point of rebalance ships? I think not. The Thorax only put out more DPS because of its bigger Drone Bay, thats all. Also the Thorax need big gank because it mostly got a small or no Tank. Rebalancing Ships should not be based around nerfing others. Btw Oomph is the sound of a player that got steamrolled by a Amarrship in PVP, because it is impossibly in theory but possilby in praxis. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Jonny JoJo 425 II In PVE? Surely hybrid users use Blaster in PvE.
The Djego Minmatar FORTES FORTUNA ADIUVAT CORP. The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.27 20:56:00 - [96] Edited by: The Djego on 27/01/2008 21:06:20 Originally by: Everyone Dies Edited by: Everyone Dies on 27/01/2008 20:39:49 Another problem Laser Deimos vs Zealot [Deimos] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Small Armor Repairer II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Warp Disruptor II Stasis Webifier II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] Hammerhead II x5 DPS: 468 ----------------------------------------- [Zealot] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Armor Repairer II Armor Thermic Hardener II Adaptive Nano Plating II Internal Force Field Array I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Faint Warp Prohibitor I Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] DPS 413 I agree with JoJo, Amarr is screwed don't bother training for them. Gallente FOTM ftl. EFT ftl... Deimos got a Falloffbonus for Hybrids and Zealot a Optimal Bonus for Laser for a reason. BTW you suck at fitting a Deimos because you not plugging the explosive Hole with a Hardner or a Faction Membrane. Have you even flown Deimos or Zealot in PVP? I think not. Deimos without Nos is preaty mutch a no no because you need all the Cap you can get(stated by someone that used the Deimos before the Grid/Speed boost). On a Zealot it is preaty mutch a eamty slot if you not using a Faction Nos/Neut because you will not enter Web Range. Web on a Zealot is also more or less a wast of Slots, only if you want to counter Ceptors or nano Frigs. Aganist a bigger Ship Zealot never enters Web Range. ---- Nerf Tank - Boost Gank! Originally by: Jonny JoJo 425 II In PVE? Surely hybrid users use Blaster in PvE.
master mikester Gallente The Sons of Lucifer Black Sheep Alliance	Posted - 2008.01.27 21:04:00 - [97] again just lol but sorry to burst ur propubescent bubble jojo a)last time i used u couldnt fit 5 turrets on a thorax, only 3 the other 2 are for lyk energy nos's b)the point of your post was c)there's still the ship bonuses d)larn to fly your own nations ships before using another nations ships and then saying that u should cross weapons e)i think u may have gotten ur facts wrong cos my omen could easily take out my m8's thorax with roughly the same skills and lasers so --------------signature------------------------ Those who show profit will pull through in the end. "Those who fear darkness, have never seen what the light can do" selenia- dark angel
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 21:07:00 - [98] I think you are missing the point.
Apocryphai Caldari	Posted - 2008.01.27 21:28:00 - [99] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Listen man, I dont play this game to be told by a smart ass prepubecesint on a internet forum that I should do a "50 step retrain" for something that requires predecent knowledge. Nor is it sensible to suggest such a thing. Why did you not retain Amarr when Amarr used to be good? If it was not for people like you, Amarr would never be nerfed in the first place. Er... you have some serious issues JoJo. I suggest professional help ASAP. You do realise that you're taking an internet spaceships game seriously yeah? Think about that for a few minutes, please ________________________________________________________________ Originally by: Victor Valka What the skull-chick said.
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.27 21:34:00 - [100] Originally by: Mascia Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Multifrequency M 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP M Autocannon Maller FTW, but you really shouldn't be comparing T1 ammo to faction. Also, FMP has that lovely 20km optimal with scorch...
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.01.27 21:36:00 - [101] Originally by: Goumindong I think you are missing the point. Is the point that Amarrian T1 cruisers suck? Because I thought everyone in Eve knew that... -Liang -- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt. Consider yourself warned. ^_^
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.27 21:53:00 - [102] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Goumindong I think you are missing the point. Is the point that Amarrian T1 cruisers suck? Because I thought everyone in Eve knew that... -Liang Apparently ccp doesnt know that because instead of boosting amarr cruisers theyve been nerf bat spanking gallente, boosting caldari and giving fake promises of a boost patch that is going to be a total joke. Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 22:04:00 - [103] It's bloody ridiculous, clearly the Omen & Maller need some work. Why are people even disagreeing with this? The blaster Bloa isn't bad either (Goumindong is right there) but its rubbish at what its supposed to do and still worse than both Gallente combat cruisers. All three ships need work, badly. --------------- you all smell!
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.27 22:09:00 - [104] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Goumindong I think you are missing the point. Is the point that Amarrian T1 cruisers suck? Because I thought everyone in Eve knew that... -Liang Then ignore the thread and it dies, or say "we all know they suck, we get it" and move on.
Dromidas Shadowmoon Minmatar 54th Knights Templar Dark Matter Coalition	Posted - 2008.01.27 22:11:00 - [105] Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 27/01/2008 22:13:32 Lol go fit up a laser Stabber and tell me amarr cruisers suck :) Actually, given your skills at using EFT, the tool which has very little relevance on actual ingame combat, I bet you could make the stabber out damage an omen :P There's a reason why its called Eve FITTING Tool and not Eve COMBAT SIMULATOR :) _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.01.27 22:17:00 - [106] Originally by: Goumindong "we all know they suck, we get it" and move on. Which is what I'd done. :p -Liang -- If it appears that my typing is lazy, I apologize. My hands/wrists hurt. Consider yourself warned. ^_^
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:21:00 - [107] Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 27/01/2008 22:13:32 Lol go fit up a laser Stabber and tell me amarr cruisers suck :) Actually, given your skills at using EFT, the tool which has very little relevance on actual ingame combat, I bet you could make the stabber out damage an omen :P There's a reason why its called Eve FITTING Tool and not Eve COMBAT SIMULATOR :) there is plenty of relevance, its just plenty of times people seem to ignore this relevance. although I don't think a laser stabber proves much of anything although if it does out damage an omen then
marie claude Gallente	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:36:00 - [108] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Thorax should have its drone bay remove to be competitive with other races, as it is way overpowered currently. tisk dont ask for nefs! ask for boosts! nerf hurts play it never (and i MEAN never ) helps game play.FFS!! trinity = EPIC FAIL
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.28 00:57:00 - [109] Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 27/01/2008 22:13:32 Lol go fit up a laser Stabber and tell me amarr cruisers suck :) Actually, given your skills at using EFT, the tool which has very little relevance on actual ingame combat, I bet you could make the stabber out damage an omen :P There's a reason why its called Eve FITTING Tool and not Eve COMBAT SIMULATOR :) [Stabber, l4z0rz] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Heavy Pulse Laser II, Dark Blood Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Dark Blood Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Dark Blood Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Dark Blood Multifrequency M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II, Torrent Rage Assault Missile Ancillary Current Router I Ancillary Current Router II Ancillary Current Router II Hobgoblin II x1 It out dpses the omen. Totally realistic, too.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Dark-Rising The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.01.28 01:07:00 - [110] Originally by: Dromidas Shadowmoon Edited by: Dromidas Shadowmoon on 27/01/2008 22:13:32 Lol go fit up a laser Stabber and tell me amarr cruisers suck :) Actually, given your skills at using EFT, the tool which has very little relevance on actual ingame combat, I bet you could make the stabber out damage an omen :P There's a reason why its called Eve FITTING Tool and not Eve COMBAT SIMULATOR :) Youre not complaining about the stabber are you? Amarr pvp Vids: Inq - I Inq - II
Cpt Branko The Bloody Red Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.01.28 02:29:00 - [111] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 28/01/2008 02:30:21 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Youre not complaining about the stabber are you? I am, autocannon Thorax outdamages it! Sorry, couldn't resist ;) Anyway, the Stabber is nice. It's not so awesome, but it's got its role, which is skirmish warfare and it's good at it. Is it going to actually beat many combat cruisers (counting in Amarr ones as well) which are decently setup? No. It's not the point of the ship anyway. If the Omen didn't have significant fitting problems (and a few other issues), you could use it in a quite similar way (although slower, but harder hitting at its operating range). Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.01.28 02:30:00 - [112] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Goumindong "we all know they suck, we get it" and move on. Which is what I'd done. :p -Liang Yea, but it wasnt you whom i was addressing.
Processor Failbox	Posted - 2008.01.28 04:01:00 - [113] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 27/01/2008 09:09:52 So far, peoples exceuses are that "Omg Lasers are long Rangezors" But let us discuss the ships and modules in this.... ships and modules forum. People call me a EFT warrior when I dont use EFT, but what the hell, today will be my first day of EFT. But in real practical terms, if someone used a laser thorax, they get the "instant Reload and Omg Range" which some people think make amarr omgPWN. And since the Omwn is impossible to fit, I will use Focused Medium pulse, which is the lowest t2 tier of medium gun, as a omen with 2 guns fitted is a joke. Since Omen needs CPU, I will use a couple of named modules as well on it. Omen: 4 x Focused Pulse/w Amarr MF 10mn MWD II, J5 Proto Scam, Fleeting Web 2 x Heatsink II, 2 x EANM II, Co-Processer II Thorax: 5 x Focused Pulse w/Amarr MF 10mn MWD II, J5 Proto Scam, Fleeting Web 2 x Heatsink II, 2 x EANM II, 1 x 800 Plate 5 x Hammerhead II Omen and Thorax both in same setup, but omen needs CPU mod. Omen needs to drop 2 eamn to fit rcu + plate, which is not effective IMO. Thorax does 422 DPS Omen does 341 DPS Thorax's cap lasts longer with all mods on. Thorax has MORE CAP, MORE CAP RECHARGE, MORE ARMOUR, 2 x the Effective Hitpoints, MORE DPS and outclasses Omen in every single way. Thorax should have its drone bay remove to be competitive with other races, as it is way overpowered currently. Oh great, my sig is nerfed to make it impossible to change. Another Amarr Nerf. :( drop the drones from the dps.....thats like comparing a tech 1 frig to an ishkur lol not to mention you put an MWD on an omen...when the thorax already gets a bonus to mwd....clearly it'll regen more cap a second because of it oh, and btw more armor doesn't mean much since you have no repper on either they will die just as fast anyway anyhow only thing the omen needs is another turret + cpu and/or powergrid
Shereza	Posted - 2008.01.28 04:36:00 - [114] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe Edited by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe on 27/01/2008 09:18:09 Did u ever think with all of your hours spent on here moaning about your race (granted some points are good) that maybe for your own wellbeing and stress lvls that another race might be a option? Listen man, I dont play this game to be told by a smart ass prepubecesint on a internet forum that I should do a "50 step retrain" for something that requires predecent knowledge. Nor is it sensible to suggest such a thing. Why did you not retain Amarr when Amarr used to be good? If it was not for people like you, Amarr would never be nerfed in the first place. That response sounds like something a "smart ass prepubecesint" would say, especially one that didn't pay attention in 5th or 6th grade science class when the word "prepubescent" was spelled. Originally by: Jonny JoJo So what you are saying is that fitting lasers on a thorax is as silly as fitting them on Amarr ships. I agree with this which is why Amarr players use projectiles or even blasters since lasers are a joke. No, I'm pretty sure he was saying that putting lasers on a thorax, while effective, just isn't as "smart" as a more conventional thorax fit. I really can't say what Karyuudo Tydraad meant for sure but it didn't read as if he were saying a thing about Amarr ships. Originally by: Jonny JoJo Minmatar got 100% cap reduction bonus to projectiles, and this should be fixed asap Could you please link to the official documentation that states this? I've never seen it listed anywhere, but then I also don't see why they'd need a 100% cap reduction on weapons that have no activation cost. Originally by: Paulo Damarr I dont think some people are seeing the point Jonnys trying to make, A conventionally fit Thorax is obviously superior to the laser fit version posted here and that's the issue here, A Thorax fitted with unbonused weapons from another race not only out damages a ship intended to mount those weapons it does it by a significant degree and to add insult to injury it is more cap efficient than the ship with a cap reduction bonus. The point is valid but I often have problems hearing those points over the waves of wine crashing against the surf. Originally by: Lili Lu Some folks may not like JoJo's methods and delivery, And his either ability to outright ignore valid points and/or calls on him to provide valid data or utter inability to do so. Let's not forget that. I've called him on at least half a dozen points without any sort of response from him, not even one to defend his (poor) stance. Originally by: Kel Dario Then Caldari, Gallente and Minmatar would have to be nerfed a lot to make Amarr look good, and in the end it would make the game less fun for everyone. And then there's the ever so minor fact that there are so many caldari pilots that even the slightest nerf to any of their ships will create an uproar of complaints so loud that it'll shift the Earth's orbit by half a degree. __________ On a more humorous note, tachyphoon FTW. Seriously though, I wish I knew why DPS was the be-all-end-all of 90% of the arguments used by people crying for nerfs. While it might be what kills ships in the end there's more to the game than just DPS. Provide different bonuses, more bonuses, and or other balancing steps rather than simply adjusting DPS and ignoring everything else. Feh, would be nice if some ships had, for example, a 15%/level bonus to active shield or armor resistance mod bonus or even a 10%/level reduction in the effectiveness of cap warfare mods directed against it. ____________________ Behold the universal power of duct tape.
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.28 06:32:00 - [115] Originally by: Shereza} [quote=Jonny JoJo Minmatar got 100% cap reduction bonus to projectiles, and this should be fixed asap Could you please link to the official documentation that states this? I've never seen it listed anywhere, but then I also don't see why they'd need a 100% cap reduction on weapons that have no activation cost. with you being a little young you perhaps didnt notice the patch where they gave minmatar guns 0 cap use a while back and thus made minnie guns and missiles 100% cap reduction from what they had before. it is not a bonus on any ship but a flat buff with 100% reduction in cap use for those weapons. while gallente got a slight decrease in capuse in the same patch and amarr was not touched wich ment that they still sucked cap like jojo sucks wine on the parkbench on saturdays.
Derek Sigres	Posted - 2008.01.28 06:37:00 - [116] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe Edited by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe on 27/01/2008 09:18:09 Did u ever think with all of your hours spent on here moaning about your race (granted some points are good) that maybe for your own wellbeing and stress lvls that another race might be a option? Listen man, I dont play this game to be told by a smart ass prepubecesint on a internet forum that I should do a "50 step retrain" for something that requires predecent knowledge. Nor is it sensible to suggest such a thing. Why did you not retain Amarr when Amarr used to be good? If it was not for people like you, Amarr would never be nerfed in the first place. I'd have to say that given the fact that you can't seem to find anything redeemable about your choice of ships points you to a single course of action - fly a different race. You may not want to do this, and I completely understand your hesitation but let's face the truth. You want lasers to operate at the effeciency of hybrids and put out the damage of some of the greatest gank ships in the game. Unless CCP can make a laser that doesn't do primarily EM damage, or removes the stacking nerf on weapon upgrades it just isn't going to happen. Given the state of the game today, what you want cannot be easily achieved by your race of ships. Amarr had it's day, and it will have it's day again - until then, make do being underpowered or move into one of the flavor of the month races.
Shereza	Posted - 2008.01.28 07:05:00 - [117] Originally by: Malken Originally by: Shereza Originally by: Jonny JoJo Minmatar got 100% cap reduction bonus to projectiles, and this should be fixed asap Could you please link to the official documentation that states this? I've never seen it listed anywhere, but then I also don't see why they'd need a 100% cap reduction on weapons that have no activation cost. with you being a little young you perhaps didnt notice the patch where they gave minmatar guns 0 cap use a while back and thus made minnie guns and missiles 100% cap reduction from what they had before. it is not a bonus on any ship but a flat buff with 100% reduction in cap use for those weapons. while gallente got a slight decrease in capuse in the same patch and amarr was not touched wich ment that they still sucked cap like jojo sucks wine on the parkbench on saturdays. Be that as it may saying a 100% reduction in projectile weapon activation cost is a far cry from "Minmatar got 100% cap reduction bonus to projectiles." Also, and mind you this is really nitpicking but it's in line with the hair splitting I was doing earlier and I am mostly teasing right now, shouldn't it be that hybrid weapons got a minor cap use reduction and not just gallente ships? I mean after all no gallente ship (currently, that I can think of) has a weapon cap use bonus and caldari ships use hybrid weapons too. Either way you slice it no matter what it was originally as it stands now, and expecially to the new players, the "cap use bonus" of projectile guns is just the way things are, no bonus at all, and if you're going to talk about it you probably should also bring up missiles too. I won't insist on requiring people bringing projectiles into amarr/beam whines to also mention drones in addition to missiles but, to be honest, I think it would do them good to include yet a third weapon system for a third non-Amarr race that is often a primary or tied-for-primary weapon system that does not use cap. After all, wouldn't bringing in projectile/minmatar weapons, missile/caldari weapons, and drones/gallente weapons just go to further prove their point that CCP hates Amarr ships by virtue of the fact that every other race has ships with (bonused) primary weapon systems that do not use cap? ____________________ Behold the universal power of duct tape.
Blane Xero Amarr The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.01.28 07:13:00 - [118] Halle-*******-luyah they locked Johnny JoJo's sigs, now if they would gag him for life we could maybe sleep at night without worrying that Johnny is gonna highjack our threads into some kind of "OMG AMARR SUX" thread. I mean god, i've seen persistance, but you missed the line by about.. 50k AU? Welcome to EvE
Jack Jombardo Amarr	Posted - 2008.01.28 07:32:00 - [119] Arbitrator: cheapest T1 Amarr Cruiser and not in line with the other Amarr ships Maller: T1 tank-cruiser Omen: T1 DPS-cruiser If Tank-Cruiser outdamages DPS-Cruiser and the cheapest, non in line Cruiser outclasses both ... makes me wonder. If now other races ships with laser outclasses all laser-race ships fittet with lasers ... makes me wonder. Problem of Laser? Don't know, sounds more of a design problem from Omen/Maller to me.
Hugh Ruka Caldari Exploratio et Industria Morispatia	Posted - 2008.01.28 09:58:00 - [120] Let's see. We have here an Omen: 5% ROF bonus with 4 turrets = 4 * 1.33 = 5.32 turret total, then we have a thorax with 5 unbonused lasers. So the thorax just by design leads by 0.32 turret DPS and you count in the drones also. And you complain about Thorax DPS being better thant Omen DPS ? ARE YOU SANE ??? I mean how can you cry when you do such a biased comparison ? Wake up and have a look at the ships !!! Just use simple math on the turret hardpoint number with bonuses applied AND FACTOR IN THE DRONEBAY DIFFERENCE !!!! (I did some EFT comparing. you can use an AB and Heavy Pulse II, there's anough range for this to work). Originally by: Aravel Thon Originally by: Nith Batoxxx Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox............... I am so so terribly sorry...

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