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Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:09:00 - [1] Edited by: Jonny JoJo on 27/01/2008 09:09:52 So far, peoples exceuses are that "Omg Lasers are long Rangezors" But let us discuss the ships and modules in this.... ships and modules forum. People call me a EFT warrior when I dont use EFT, but what the hell, today will be my first day of EFT. But in real practical terms, if someone used a laser thorax, they get the "instant Reload and Omg Range" which some people think make amarr omgPWN. And since the Omwn is impossible to fit, I will use Focused Medium pulse, which is the lowest t2 tier of medium gun, as a omen with 2 guns fitted is a joke. Since Omen needs CPU, I will use a couple of named modules as well on it. Omen: 4 x Focused Pulse/w Amarr MF 10mn MWD II, J5 Proto Scam, Fleeting Web 2 x Heatsink II, 2 x EANM II, Co-Processer II Thorax: 5 x Focused Pulse w/Amarr MF 10mn MWD II, J5 Proto Scam, Fleeting Web 2 x Heatsink II, 2 x EANM II, 1 x 800 Plate 5 x Hammerhead II Omen and Thorax both in same setup, but omen needs CPU mod. Omen needs to drop 2 eamn to fit rcu + plate, which is not effective IMO. Thorax does 422 DPS Omen does 341 DPS Thorax's cap lasts longer with all mods on. Thorax has MORE CAP, MORE CAP RECHARGE, MORE ARMOUR, 2 x the Effective Hitpoints, MORE DPS and outclasses Omen in every single way. Thorax should have its drone bay remove to be competitive with other races, as it is way overpowered currently. Oh great, my sig is nerfed to make it impossible to change. Another Amarr Nerf. :( Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:14:00 - [2] lol is all i can say
LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:18:00 - [3] Edited by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe on 27/01/2008 09:18:09 Did u ever think with all of your hours spent on here moaning about your race (granted some points are good) that maybe for your own wellbeing and stress lvls that another race might be a option?
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:24:00 - [4] Originally by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe Edited by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe on 27/01/2008 09:18:09 Did u ever think with all of your hours spent on here moaning about your race (granted some points are good) that maybe for your own wellbeing and stress lvls that another race might be a option? Listen man, I dont play this game to be told by a smart ass prepubecesint on a internet forum that I should do a "50 step retrain" for something that requires predecent knowledge. Nor is it sensible to suggest such a thing. Why did you not retain Amarr when Amarr used to be good? If it was not for people like you, Amarr would never be nerfed in the first place. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Bager Gray Gallente COBRA INC Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:24:00 - [5] Oh God Jonny JoJo is back.
NaBeRa DRUCKWELLE Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:26:00 - [6] easy solution, give the Omen more CPU, more Grid, more Cap and a 5ths turret. it would do 414dps with 5 Heavy Pulse II and 3 Hobgoblin II (all lvl5). well, thorax with laser would still be better :D
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:27:00 - [7] Originally by: NaBeRa well, thorax with laser would still be better :D wouldnt that still be wrong?
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:30:00 - [8] Compare the Maller to the Thorax and the Omen to the Vexor, thanks. --
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Corwain Compare the Maller to the Thorax and the Omen to the Vexor, thanks. Go on, compare them - Laser Thorax outclasses Maller in every way, and Vexor eats omen for lunch Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:35:00 - [10] The omen is a piece of ****, and there's no denying it. The Maller is passable if you fit autocannons, but when you need to fit other race's weapons on your cruisers to suck less, something ain't right. Amarr have terrible T1 cruisers.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:36:00 - [11] Edited by: Corwain on 27/01/2008 09:38:07 Of course, but if you'd done that you'd find that for the same tank as your omen setup the Vexor with lasers actually does more damage than the thorax with lasers. EDIT: your thorax setup does 422 dps, a vexor does 543 dps. --
LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Originally by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe Edited by: LiGhTbUlB PlEaSe on 27/01/2008 09:18:09 Did u ever think with all of your hours spent on here moaning about your race (granted some points are good) that maybe for your own wellbeing and stress lvls that another race might be a option? Listen man, I dont play this game to be told by a smart ass prepubecesint on a internet forum that I should do a "50 step retrain" for something that requires predecent knowledge. Nor is it sensible to suggest such a thing. Why did you not retain Amarr when Amarr used to be good? If it was not for people like you, Amarr would never be nerfed in the first place. Clam down and chill out So u want us to be as good as we used to be, mmmmm there best darn mining ships out there well thats something worth looking forward too
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:41:00 - [13] Edited by: Corwain on 27/01/2008 09:41:17 <3 EFT...this is kinda fun fitting absolutely no tank to ships and seeing how much damage they do and how much base HP they have... /sarcasm --
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:51:00 - [14] Jonny, who let you out of your cave? P.s. If a thorax outdamages a Omen with lasers, please, go train up for a thorax and fit it with lasers, but please, leave this forum alone because it should be obvious already 'we' dont care what you have to say. Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Corwain Edited by: Corwain on 27/01/2008 09:41:17 <3 EFT...this is kinda fun fitting absolutely no tank to ships and seeing how much damage they do and how much base HP they have... /sarcasm Yep. People in thorax's no longer use plated buffer Ships. But if you want, please remove 2 EANM on Omen and put in a RCU an a Rep. Just makes the numbers look even worse. LOL Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:52:00 - [16] Now, the setup to make you all cry... the LaserMoa! Reactor Control Unit II Reactor Control Unit II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Shield Extender II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Warp Disruptor II Heavy Pulse Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II,Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Heavy Assault Missile Launcher II,Caldari Navy Hellfire Assault Missile Drones_Active=Hobgoblin II,3 376 DPS!!!
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:53:00 - [17] Originally by: arbalesttom Jonny, who let you out of your cave? P.s. If a thorax outdamages a Omen with lasers, please, go train up for a thorax and fit it with lasers, but please, leave this forum alone because it should be obvious already 'we' dont care what you have to say. Why should a Amarr player have to retrain because of Lasers. Do you beleive it is acceptable for a new Amarr player (and hundreds will be coming via steam) that they be told by a Internet Forum post that they should have had predecent knowldge of Amarr before playing the game? Are you going to give me SP back that I trained into Amarr so I can train Gallente? Sig locked, lack of Eve content
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:55:00 - [18] Originally by: Corwain Edited by: Corwain on 27/01/2008 09:38:07 Of course, but if you'd done that you'd find that for the same tank as your omen setup the Vexor with lasers actually does more damage than the thorax with lasers. EDIT: your thorax setup does 422 dps, a vexor does 543 dps. I said in my post I was being conservitive by using crappy focused lasers on thorax, so it can compare to omen which is impossible to fit. I already know Vexor can chew up omen. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
GHO57	Posted - 2008.01.27 09:59:00 - [19] Originally by: Jonny JoJo Thorax should have its drone bay remove to be competitive with other races, as it is way overpowered currently. Even if the thorax is better than Omen is that the solution? "nerf, nerf", why don't ya try to play the game instead of whining? Maller and Arbi are good ships, try to fly them.
Corwain Gallente Down In Flames	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:13:00 - [20] Arbitrator 2x HPL II, 1x HAM II, Small Dim Nos MWD II, J5 disruptor, web, balmer TD 3x HS II, 1x BCU II 5x Hammerhead II OMG 419 DPS GUYS, GALLENTE NEED A NERF, THEY GET EWAR, AND CAPWAR AND MOAR DPS THAN THE OMEN, AMARR SUCK...Oh wait, my bad Arby is an Amarr ship...as you were! --
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:20:00 - [21] Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/01/2008 10:22:12 Jonny, back to your cave please. When do you start realizing that if no one agrees with your (lame) points, you shouldnt be posting at all? Because all you do is whine, you cant run the numbers (like all previous post you did, all whinage and no numbers) and you really start irritating alot of people in this channel. Go. Away. Now. (ps. i trained for caldari untill i found out i picked 'my' wrong race, so should that be a legitimate reason to whine on the forums? no! should that be a reason to cry about 'zomg i lots training time because i picked a race i dont like, please ccp i want it back'? no!) Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:28:00 - [22] ITT: Setups that hurt more than physical blows ever could.
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Enuma Elish.	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:28:00 - [23] Tier 3 > Tier 2. shock -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:30:00 - [24] Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/01/2008 10:34:27 Edited by: arbalesttom on 27/01/2008 10:30:09 Originally by: James Lyrus Tier 3 > Tier 2. shock Jonny doesnt know what that means, hes a official eft warrior now. And yeah, we all know eft = eve....so... Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:42:00 - [25] EFT or not, regardless of the tier, there is something fundamentally wrong with laser rax out damaging an omen. _______ Do yuo liek stabbers? ◕◡◕
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:43:00 - [26] [Exequror, lulz] Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Draclira's Modified Heat Sink Thukker Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Domination Warp Disruptor Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Ancillary Current Router II Ancillary Current Router II Ancillary Current Router I Hammerhead II x3 Hobgoblin II x2 OMG 16k EHP, 446 DPS amarr sux nerf!
Jonny JoJo Amarr The Imperial Guards	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:53:00 - [27] Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: William Hartas There's a video kicking around (can't remember who by) of a guy doing lots of solo PvP in a laser fitted Thorax. It's pretty damn awesome so this suggestion isn't as dumb as some people are saying. It still isn't as smart as a conventional throax fit. So what you are saying is that fitting lasers on a thorax is as silly as fitting them on Amarr ships. I agree with this which is why Amarr players use projectiles or even blasters since lasers are a joke. Sig locked, lack of Eve content
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:54:00 - [28] Originally by: Great Artista EFT or not, regardless of the tier, there is something fundamentally wrong with laser rax out damaging an omen. yeah, and how long do you think the cap lasts? So even then, its moot (but yeah jonny doesnt see that and will sprew moar crap around in this thread) Nice hamster! - Mindstar Thanks! We wont touch this sig! - Cortes I lied - Cortes LIAR!
Paulo Damarr	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:55:00 - [29] Edited by: Paulo Damarr on 27/01/2008 10:55:15 I think jonny has a point here, the Thorax does more damage with unbonused weapons than the ship that's "supposed" to fit them. Sometimes I look at the Gallente ships and wonder if the design team that created them worked in isolation and never looked at the other races ships for example compare:- Thorax, Omen, Moa Brutix, Ferox, Prophecy The Gallente ships not only have hugely damaging weapons with damage bonuses on most ships but they also come with massive drone bays. I know Gallente are the "drone ships" but why do they also get crap loads of turrets to?
Karyuudo Tydraad Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services	Posted - 2008.01.27 10:55:00 - [30] Originally by: Corwain Originally by: Karyuudo Tydraad Originally by: William Hartas There's a video kicking around (can't remember who by) of a guy doing lots of solo PvP in a laser fitted Thorax. It's pretty damn awesome so this suggestion isn't as dumb as some people are saying. It still isn't as smart as a conventional throax fit. Depends what situation you're in and what ship you're fighting... Fair enough. I should say that in the majority of situations a conventional thorax fit is likely to outperform a laser thorax.

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